April 2, 2025 • 45 mins
Have you ever stared at a ceiling, cloud formation, or marble tile and suddenly spotted a face looking back at you? This isn't your imagination running wild—it's pareidolia, a fascinating psychological phenomenon where our brains find meaningful patterns in random stimuli.
In this mind-bending conversation, we explore how our pattern-recognition mechanisms work overtime to make sense of the world around us. We share personal stories of seeing faces and figures in everyday objects, from bathroom tiles to star constellations, uncovering how these perceptions can even inspire creative artwork. What's particularly fascinating is how differently each person perceives these patterns—what looks like a cartoon character to one might appear as an animal to another.
But our exploration doesn't stop there. We dive into a treasure trove of other psychological phenomena that shape our everyday experiences. Learn about confirmation bias, the placebo effect, and why you suddenly notice a particular car model everywhere after considering buying one. We examine how the "halo effect" leads us to assume celebrities are good people simply because they play likable characters, and why self-fulfilling prophecies can dramatically alter our life outcomes.
The conversation takes surprising turns into how ancient humans might have used pareidolia to map constellations and potentially even inspire architectural wonders like the pyramids. By the end, you'll never look at random patterns the same way again—and you might start questioning how much of what you "see" is actually there versus created by your remarkable, pattern-seeking brain.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome to Comble Pro Fit and the Jersey Guy.
I'm Lewis here with Kenny.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hello.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
And Jersey Guy Tom what's up, what's up, what's up,
how you guys doing GoodExmalente.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Pretty good, yeah, yeah.
So hey, what's that face?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
How you guys doing Good Exmalente Pretty good, yeah
, yeah.
So hey, what's that face I seeover there?
Why are you saying that?
For Because it's pareidolia.
It's the topic of our showtoday.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Oh, got him Very clever.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Yeah, you like that right Wow.
So go ahead, lou, you can tellwhat pareidolia is.
You like that?
That was good, bro, you came infront, I got you.
Good, I did get him right.
Pareidolia is a psychologicalyou did that.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
That was a good step away, he threw me off.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Threw me off.
It's a psychological phenomenonwhere people see recognizable
patterns, like faces, in randomor vague stimuli such as clouds
or textures.
It's our brain's way of makingsense of random patterns and
identifying familiar shapes orobjects.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
So it's not like when you say I see the same number
everywhere.
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
It's like when you look at marble right and the
marble is really veiny, oh, themarble looks like a face Right,
like a face here, yep, or theway it should be Automatically
with me.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I have it.
Yeah, I see it in everything Isee it in everything you know.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I do that a lot too yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
With like things, anything that's like a swirl,
but it's cool as shit, though,because there's a lot of good
stuff that you, when I lived ina this goes to the same thing.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
When I lived in Pine Bush, in our basement there was
these patterns in the floor andI saw these faces that were
there.
That were there, so I drew themout with pencil and stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Did you?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Oh, that's cool.
Yeah, and it came out the way Ithought it would look when I
went it was fucking crazy, Bro.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
then you were living over the gate to hell because
that's in.
Pine Bush.
And you know what Pine Bush is?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Crazy people love it, Relax bro, it was just a pencil
.
There's no candles involved, nothe people trying to get out.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
It's going to be like that movie, the Gate.
Yeah, yeah, you'll be dead.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
That's crazy.
I'm sorry, that's what my headwent, but yeah.
So then now did you see a lotof the faces after you drew them
, Because you only drew what yousaw, or whatever characters.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I drew it how.
I saw it on the pattern on thefloor and how did it look when
you drew it, it looked like whatit was that I was trying to
draw.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Dude, because I'm always thinking about it,
because of my bathroom it'smarble tile walls, so then I'm
standing Right, but then I don'tsee it when I get out of the
shower.
You know what I mean.
So I'll see it now when I'm inthe shower and I'm like oh snap,
and I'll see it.
I tried to draw it or trace itor whatever.
I got like half a dozen of themalready, see, because you see
(02:47):
different ones all the time ohyeah, I see another one, just
automatic.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
The house I grew up in.
I had wallpaper in my roomright.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Right, you can create it.
Create some good art from that.
Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Finish it, but I removed the wallpaper and I
don't, I don't think I didn't doa good job.
I was like 18, 17 or 18.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
I didn't do a good job and, like I, left some of
the glue behind and I paintedover I remember looking at like
the glue marks and be like thatkind of looks like a face that
kind of yeah same thing, right?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
you ever look at the back of a car when you're
driving.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Sometimes it looks like, yeah, that's what it is
you see the eyes, the nose, yeahright, when you look at
vehicles or certain things, it'scrazy like, yeah, my mind just
does that immediately so Ilooked it up one day.
I'm like, what does it mean?
Like hashtag, gpt and, and youknow, but that's not the only
one.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
There is, though there's like so many different
kinds yeah, now that I didn'tget the meditation and prayer.
So quieting your mind throughmeditation or prayer is said to
create a space where guardianangels can.
Oh, you're wrong.
I got my other papers.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Oh, my God Wow.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Yeah, lou turned around and he did some Google
searches yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I read the wrong paper I had for my other one.
This is not Google at all.
This is ChatGBT.
Chatgbt I'm the Google paper Ihad for my other one.
This is not.
Google at all this is ChatGBT.
Chatgbt, I'm sorry, my bad.
Several interestingpsychological phenomena you can
explore.
Here are a few Confirmationbias the tendency to search for,
interpret and rememberinformation that confirms one's
pre-existing beliefs.
I don't think we do that.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
No, we probably know people that do that Is this
about pareidolia, yeah, or is itsomething different?
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Well, we can still talk about that.
There's a number of them, sothat was just one extra one.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, thepareidolia is cool, because do
you do that at all?
I mean, do you like?
Have you ever tried to draw outwhat it is you've seen?
No, when you, I never tried it.
It's really crazy.
Yeah, you got to get thetraceable paper and all that or
take the picture of it and blowit up somehow and then do it
that way.
(04:50):
Yeah, I've never done it Ithink it will come out the way
you see it.
The way it comes out is the wayyou see your mind is going to
make it well see.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
So let's see what a crazy is.
If you know, not literally, soboom.
When you look at some of thatstuff, though, tom, right Right,
right, do you see most likecartoon characters?
Do you see funny faces?
Do you see animals?
Do you see human faces?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Human faces, animal faces Sometimes.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yes, that's what I do , not just faces Cartoon
characters, body.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Sometimes bodies is not always a face.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Oh, it could be, yeah , yeah.
Yeah, I don't see human bodies,sometimes like stick figures,
yeah, you know.
So I don't see like humanbodies.
I see like, or shapes, um, I'llsee a human face, but then I'll
see like, um, like the wholeanimal body.
I'll see uh, lions, duck orwhatever, with the human face on
it, like looking like I'm somecartoon crazy shit yeah, did
they say anything else aboutthis?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
patterns, recognizable patterns, oh see,
also it's.
It's not just faces, it'spatterns, it's anything.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Right, yeah, right.
So, whatever your mind decides,I can tell you that right now,
my mind sees something.
I already have it in my headdone.
It's like automatically thereit is.
I'm looking at it right now.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Right, and now do you find the same ones.
What do you find?
The same ones?
What do you mean?
So you said that you knowyou're in the shower or you're
sitting on the toilet orwhatever.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Oh yeah, I can still find the same ones.
I can still find that same onebut it's also shapes and objects
, but it's more than one it saysfamiliar shapes and objects to.
It says of course it's sort ofstored in our brain, it's not
just faces it can be anything.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
It can be structures.
That's what's stored in ourbrain it's not just faces.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
It can be anything.
It can be structures, anything.
That's what I'm saying.
It's so crazy, you could becreative with it too.
I read where it said peoplemake art from it, when they can
use art and make art from it sofor me.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I get that a lot with shapes and stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, all the time.
I always see shapes, especiallyin like I can do it with shapes
, I can do it with patterns, Ican do it with, like you said,
marble tile Boom right away.
That's kind of like why I'mwired that way, right, that's
why I actually enjoy abstractart.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Because you see shit in it.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
You know what I mean.
Right, that makes sense.
You got to go to the Met, bro.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
But, not like where they just splattered paint and
they're like this is art.
I'm talking like that realcrazy shit.
You gotta go to the.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Natural Museum.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
No no that's still the MoMA you mean.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
And the Met the.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Met is great.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
We went to the Met.
I was like yo and I didn't wantto leave.
Jessica was bored.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
She was like alright, I'm to go see the other
pictures and the other drawings,and they usually have some
weird stuff at the Guggenheimtoo.
It's small, it's a tiny museum,but they have weird stuff.
Have you been to Storm King oh?
Speaker 3 (07:34):
you don't even live on the site.
You got to go to Storm King ArtCenter during the summer.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
It's warm out and you'll a lot of that.
You know they have the.
They make metal art, outdoorart.
Who's to say that they didn'tget it from seeing a shape?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
so I've been to lukenheim yes, but when I went
there they had some weirdexhibit you actually went there,
huh yeah yeah they had someweird exhibit.
It was uh, whatever exhibitionthey had, you know, it's like
the one for like the few months.
It was like stuff with tvs,like old tvs, and they were on
and but they were on displaysbut the what was on the tv, kind
of what worked with what thedisplay was.
It was weird.
(08:10):
Right, that is awesome.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
That's more like working art stuff that's a
little, yeah, but I guesswhoever looks at it is the one
who, if they see something fromit yeah, they're picking it up
you and I might look at and goyeah, it's kind of cool, yeah,
well maybe like what the fuck.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah.
Well, what about when they dothose other things where they
hang pieces of whatever off ofthe strings and as you walk
around it it turns into apicture and different shapes and
faces and stuff?
Yeah, it's like as you walkaround the art, you see
different things.
They set up how they have ithanging.
That's how you walk around theart you see different things.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
they set up how they have it hanging and you see, you
can use this to you.
If you see something you getlike I'm gonna draw that if you
keep seeing it, if you see it ina pattern or something yeah and
I see the same ones all thetime.
I got a bunch of them and I,yeah, you know, and I could even
change the one or two of themto a different?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
yeah, because it's like a, it's like an m, like a
picture of whatever inside of apicture it's weird it's in like
you got to go bigger, you got totake a step back, bro, and
you're like, oh, oh, look at,that, makes you notice your
whole wall.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
You look at ferris bueller when they're all staring
at the yes exactly, just likethat.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah, we're gonna go hang on and look at some tile.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
It's been a long time since I've done that to go look
at.
I'd rather go to the museum.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
To be honest with you , oh, yeah, oh yeah, what I've
never gone like to it up andthen go oh to the museum.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, you can do that that'll be a fun you gotta go
to planetarium that'll be oh anddo that.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
That would be bananas .
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Road trips, something like that Think of how cool you
can learn that particular thing.
The way you see things createsthe art that your eye sees.
That no one else's.
Everybody has their own look,their own thing.
They might be able to mimic itbecause after you did it, but
they didn't see it first.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
You did, even just going as an adult now is going
to be so much might be able tomimic it, because if you did it
but they didn't see it first,you did.
But even just going as an adultnow is like that'd be so much
different because I haven't beenon any stuff.
Go when you're as a kid, likeyou know what I mean as an adult
.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Maybe you can appreciate it more you know, I
guess we probably would, yeah,like I've seen the art some art
is beautiful.
You know, some art you knowlike, okay, I don't get it, but
hey, again I hold up.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
When I was, when I was, in college I went to the
guggenheim and I it was, I Itook like it like art
appreciation or something likethat.
Like, oh, you got to go to likea museum.
I was like what the hell, forpart of the semester you gotta
make me go to a museum and Igotta take a trip to the friggin
city.
So I went to the guggenheim.
That's when I went.
But uh, yeah, but I was stillyoung, I still didn't appreciate
(10:45):
art, right, I think now as anadult, yeah, that's what I think
pretty much think about it.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
A lot of stuff you do , yeah, you know you.
Definitely, when we get to theage we're at, you know.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
We said well, yeah, maybe not you so much, but
that's right, so, but good, I'lljust say so.
My question okay, being as it'sin anything.
So back in the day, right when,uh, before electricity and
people were, like you know,roaming the, the planet, planet
surviving, when they looked upand they first started to write
(11:16):
down the map, of the stars youmean map of the stars?
yeah, so there are things thatare in the stars, because
without the light pollution youcan really see the stars.
So now think of how brightquote-unquote the stars were to
these people.
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (11:30):
way back when, and that's how they made the
constellation aren't therecertain points on the planet
where, if you go, you're goingto be the closest?
Yeah, you can see all of thatright?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
I'm just saying but before us having that now, we
had to go someplace like that.
People could just be like whowas standing here a million
years ago, that was looking upand they saw the stars, how they
made the pyramids.
So then they saw the pyramidsand the stars and that's where
they just aimed it.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
To put it, down and make the pyramids.
However they saw.
It is the way they put it in.
Yeah, they saw it.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
So then pareidolia is same idea.
So maybe it's not.
Oh, the constellations Exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
So then it's not that they said oh, it's a Ryan's
belt.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
No, but it would change what it is that people
believe Ryan.
Yeah, no, but it would changewhat it is that people believe
Orion.
Yeah, like you know, it wasn'treally that the aliens came down
and you know there were thegods and whatnot.
It was that you know, thepriest or whomever in the town
In line of the stars, looked upat the stars and saw the
pyramids, and then just copiedit and put it down and had it
(12:42):
built.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
How it was built was another story, you know, but the
idea that that's where he gotit from you know, yeah, but
they're all set up that way whenthey're all.
They matched the three of themin a row.
Boom, boom, boom.
Yeah, and that's orion's belt.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I think it's orion's belt, right?
Yeah, yeah, so it's yeah, theyknew what they were doing, but
that they saw, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
But uh, para paradolia is that, yeah, that's
that they saw that they sawthose things in the
constellations because I don'tsee them paradolia yeah, I don't
see it.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Even when I'm looking in the book I do, I don't see
the constellations I don't seewhat do you mean?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
like I don't see the bear in the cost oh, there's
some I can and there's some Idon't like, like I don't even
get mine.
You know I'm taurus, right?
You know it's like okay, yeah,right, and I don't even get mine
.
I'm Taurus, right you?
Speaker 3 (13:25):
know it's like okay, yeah, and I don't see the whole
book.
Yeah, those ones are, yeah,yeah, but I don't see.
I'm talking like the.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Dipper, oh yeah, the.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Dipper, okay, but the big Dipper Orion, I don't see
Right Orion's back no.
I don't.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I mean, I don't see it.
If I look up right now, I knowI see some crazy stuff up, yeah,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
When it's a different certain time of the year and
night, it's good when you, ifyou can, when you're like deep
in the woods, what?
Speaker 3 (13:51):
yeah, I'm good, all right, no light pollution.
Right, and then it looks.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
It is so crazy when you look at the sky at night
when there is no light pollution.
It's insane.
It's incredible, right, right,oh yeah, it's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Yeah, I think of what your eyes could make out of
that just by looking at whateverit's seeing in the sky at that
time, the patterns andeverything.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
I wasn't so scared of the woods I go.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Things popping off in your head.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Yeah, you know, I would love to go and see that
I'd be.
You know, enclosed glassceiling or whatever I'm sorry.
I'm not doing.
I'm not doing.
You know, yeah, man, yeah, butyeah, that that would be that's
part.
That might be where you knowwell how people saw.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, all thoseconstellations waking with their
gods and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I think too, because when you do look at night
without any light pollution,like there's certain ones that
like there's certain stars thatlike really shine compared to
the rest of them.
So it's easy to it.
It looks more like it whenyou're looking at you know you
can see more of like.
You see that like like a figureor whatever out of it like but
(14:59):
like you ever get it right, itlooks like a stick figure, but I
think people go.
Well, it looks like a personbecause it's a stick figure, but
yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Well, it was like back in the day Well, not that
far, but like you know, was it25, 30 years ago where the
people went bananas becausethere was a piece of toast that
had like the Virgin Mary on it.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you don't see that they saw that
right.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
So, again.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
They saw it.
Did he draw it out?
No, the toast was right there,so you do it yourself.
Do you see it?
What they did was every pictureafter that is that they
highlighted what that thing wasthey showed the original.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
She had to point it out to you for you to see it.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
No, no, no it was on TV, it was on the news and
everything, what they showed theoriginal and then they did that
highlight over it.
You look at what they showedthe original and then they did
like that highlight over it, soyou could see what everybody was
saying.
You could see that there was animage in the toast.
You know what I'm saying when Isay it was the Virgin Mary.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
it was a lady and you know somebody would have heard
of her.
She obviously saw it, I mean,but did way though, or was it
something that she had, like youknow?
Speaker 3 (16:02):
oh, no, no, no, she told you something she was a,
you know, a church-going woman,okay, you know.
And, um, she had made sometoast and she had put it down
and was doing some other stuff.
I believe that's how the storywent and that when she turned
around, she's like, oh my god,oh my god, it's the virgin mary,
and it looks like the virginmary, and boom, there was a
building.
I remember too where there was.
(16:22):
Uh, somebody saw, um, jesus'sface in the way that the, the
way it kind of like the windowwas, uh, the condensation on it
and it looked like jesus's face.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
It was in a skyscraper.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Yeah, that's how his mind perceived it.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yep, and they took the window out and I bet you, if
you show it right, if you showit to you and you see it, yeah,
once they show you like allright, maybe, sometimes, maybe,
sometimes it does, sometimes itdoesn't what about those images
where you see two things butdepending if you're left brain
or right brain thinking.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Where you see the ugly woman old woman or a very
pretty girl, like a very prettywoman and then there's a very
old looking woman, or what aboutthat famous dress?
What color is the dress?
Is it?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
green or purple Right , and it means something right,
yeah, whatever side of yourbrain was running or whatever.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah, right side thing, what about that other?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
thing where you're sitting if it's not moving.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
It's like some crazy 3D thing, or if it is it means
your mind is you knowsomething's going on right now
the psych, not psycho, the likethat spinning wheel, right,
that's what you see.
Yeah, listen, you could findany.
I mean, like we said, we couldlook in almost anything.
(17:37):
You know, looking here aroundthe room, you know, if I stand
back a certain way, I could seethe on the name the
neighborhoods park slope rightthere down to you right.
And like I could see the on thename the neighborhoods park
slope right there down to youright, and like I could see the
different things in all of it.
I could look in the city stuff,you know, at work, at one of
the machines that I work on.
I was telling lewis thatthere's powder on that back
window.
Now I got the machine moving soI'm gonna have to show you on
(17:59):
monday and you could see there'sjust one big thing of powder on
this plexiglass static and yousee, like I see like three
different faces on there Alllooking back at me.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Wow, three faces, not one.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Yeah, but it's because of how I'm standing that
it looks like you know one face, this face and another face,
depending on where I'm standingover there.
It's like what?
Speaker 1 (18:28):
So now I don't even want to look at it, because I'm
trying to think of what I didlast week, and every time I try
to remember to do it, I forgetabout it.
Like I'll be looking at, likeyou said you're already in the
bathroom and then when you'reout you forget about it.
Right, there's a damn I gottatrace that.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
yeah, I wonder too of when you see, when people see
these things Us, if it'sdepending on the mood that we're
in, what our mental state is atthat moment, if that determines
on what we see oh, probably,you know.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
I mean, isn't that like the?
What's that test?
They call the inkblot test?
What's the name of our road?
Shack, right, what do you see?
Yeah, what do you see that one.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
They must have had a field day with me, because I'm
sure I remember taking them.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Really, you took oh yeah, I don't think I've ever
taken one.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Um, I did, I did, I took them.
Yeah, um, and I remember and Isaw all kinds of shit in them.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
I'm'm sure, absolutely, if you showed them
to me now, I'd probably be likeoh, I see this, I see that, yeah
, I mean like the famous onethat they show on TV and stuff
is the butterfly, and you knowthat's just an ink blot Right,
like that's a caterpillar, youknow so.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
I mean, they show you an ink thing, right.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
And then show you an ink thing we write, and then you
know, right, that's what I'msaying.
Yeah, so it looks like you knowexactly.
Now, when you see these things,though, and have you, because
I'm gonna say for me, I've seenit somewhere else, so I'll see
something in, like I said, in myshower on the wall, and then
I've been somewhere else and Isee it live, right.
So, whether it's like a face oror a house, uh, you know,
whatever structure, I've seenthat in the.
(20:06):
So my pareidolia is bugging meout, because that's shit that
I've seen in real life.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yeah, it's some of the things I can't even describe
that.
I see, you know, it's just me.
It's pretty crazy.
You know what I mean?
Um, but I thought I was like,oh, what does this mean?
And I looked it up and like, oh, that's cool.
And then I was like, are thereother things that people have
that we don't know about?
That would be in category orsomething like that.
Okay, you know.
So it's not necessarily thesame thing in that, but it falls
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under the same genre okay, I'mlistening I mean the same thing
in that, but it falls under thesame genre.
Okay, I'm listening.
I mean so, uh, there areseveral interesting
psychological phenomena you canexplore.
Here are a few, so that's notthe only one.
Okay, and earlier I mentionedconfirmation bias the tendency
to search for or interpret orremember information that
confirms one pre-existingbeliefs, or cognitive dissonance
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the mental discomfortexperienced by a person who
holds two or more contradictorybeliefs, ideas or values affect
well, we talk about that a lotin animal rights okay I'm not
gonna say anything.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Well it's like you know the cognitive dissonance
that's like uh, that's like youknow, like when someone's like
says one thing like oh, you knowthe cognitive dissonance,
that's like you know.
Like when someone says onething like oh, you know, like I
care about this, but then theydo something you know.
Well, listen, yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
I'm all for, you know , not cheating animals like
crazy, but you know, I don'tmind a hamburger.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
That's a phrase that, like I, heard so many times in
the vegan community.
It's like cognitive dissonance,cognitive dissonance, but yeah,
it's a popular phrase.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
That's funny.
Yeah, that makes I mean.
That's why I didn't think aboutthat.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just hear it a lot.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
But yeah, Okay, Lou, what was the other one?
The next one?
The placebo effect.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Oh yes, when people experience effect, right, yep,
yeah, yeah, that's pretty cool.
Yes, isn't that crazy how thathappens.
That's like a real thing trickthe body get better from you.
Don't know what's in that pillfrom thinking that it's gonna
get them better right, andthat's where that bullshit shot
(22:08):
that you're getting if you havevitamin b shot and you have no
idea that you're fucking yeahand you still wear a hairpiece
Right, he goes, I got you, bro,I got you, I got you, you're
right, some people get that.
That's so messed up, man.
Some people get that withvitamins too.
I feel so much better.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I took a vitamin.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
But that's not how vitamins work.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
That'll make you feel better, right away it's like
maintaining blood levels Right,right, exactly levels, right.
You know that right exactly.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah, it's crazy because you think about you.
Know how many times yourparents gave you something?
Yeah, you know, and like no, no, no, here, here is you.
Take this, you're gonna feel100 better.
You know that I mean, that'sthe form of time, sometimes you
did right, and that's a form ofhypnotism it's just saying to
you.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
They already planted that into your head and if you
believe your parents, whywouldn't I believe my mother?
Speaker 3 (22:56):
yeah, right, meanwhile she just gave you a
grape.
You know, I'm saying like shejust oh, she just gave you a
piece of candy.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, I promise you, as soon as you leave, you'll
feel as right as but you knowit's.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
And so that, again, if we think about the people you
know that were here a millionyears ago, they're looking at
the stars, you know.
Know, in their own ways, youknow, because they had the witch
doctor, the person that youknow, the person who took care
of the health of people.
Which doctor?
Well, I'm just saying which, Idon't know.
All right, you know, and theywere telling people here this is
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going to make your belly feelbetter, this is going to make
your headache go away.
You know, gonna make your bellyfeel better.
This is gonna make yourheadache go away.
You know, this is what you'regonna do the meditation.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
You know what I mean, right?
Well, think about all the stuffthat you know that they're
finding now that actually works.
That you know instead of youknow that's actually natural and
does work, and it does help ingetting more people on that,
which is really good yeah, and,like I said, I think to me too,
not everything I you know forcertain things that it's, it's a
type of form of hypnotism.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Oh yeah, when they plant that in your brain.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
you know your parents know they say that to you.
I remember one time I wassomewhere and that was my aunt,
my aunt Hilda, my aunt Hilda.
I had an aunt Hilda, that'sgreat and she said we were at
her house and she said closeyour eyes, we're going to bed.
Close your eyes, breathethrough your nose and out your
(24:23):
mouth and just keep doing thatand focus on your breathing.
I was dead to the world.
Yeah, you know she planted thatinto your head, right, we did
it.
You just you were out, rightCold.
So I think it's power ofsuggestion maybe in a sense.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah, in a sense.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
That's not anything magical or anything like that.
It's just another way to getyou, to motivate you.
I'm sure that athletes do that.
I'm sure, right there has tobe-.
Vision to win.
See the win Right.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
I see the wind right.
I'm sure that you know.
Yeah, it makes sense.
It's everything, you know, it'sanything.
Those who can do it better thanothers, you know, are living
differently.
You know everybody's livingdifferent, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I'm saying yeah, if you're able to, to be autistic
with it, right yeah in some wayand it helps you, like if you
see something and some kind ofpattern or something and you
think you know.
However, you think people willbe you know, amazed by it.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Then hey man, you should do it whatever it is,
yeah dude listen and however yousee it, yeah, because I don't
have that kind of vision.
I'm not artsy, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I tried, I sat and I thought about and I tried to
draw and I just can't draw worththe shit, yeah, not, not that I
I mind, but if I see something,if I could trace it, I'm sure I
can get it to look to where Ineed it to be.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
No, my tracing sucks.
Those motor skills for me arejust Nah man.
Yeah, no, but I could put amachine together, I could fix it
.
I'm sure you could if it wasblown up enough where you didn't
have to deal with minute stuff,where, if it was blown up, you
would be able to do it and justdo it section by section, Then
you wouldn't have to worry aboutworking so hard.
(26:03):
That's yeah.
But yeah, man, I mean differentthings.
People see.
Some of it goes into what hasmade religion, I feel.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
We were just on the halo effect too, though.
Yeah, not after when I wascoming.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
I'm sorry keeping this thing you know that was
going to the place I'm sorry, Iapologize the placebo.
I was just sorry I went way outthere for the placebo because I
was just thinking about what itis that people you know when we
say, uh, what they see, howthey feel you know with the
things in the.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Oh my God, I forgot the name of the thing Remember
the placebo.
Remember the episode.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I think, when I think about the placebo effect, I
think about the MASH episodewhere they ran out of I think it
was morphine or something likethat.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
They had to give these guys pills and they were
just sugar pills, that's allthey were, and it actually well,
of course it was TV, but Ithink they went off a lot of
real stuff that happened duringthe time that it was able to get
a lot of them to believe thatit was and they weren't in pain,
and some still were, and youcouldn't really do anything for
them.
It wasn't helping.
Those were a little bit moretragic but they said it, you
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know and I know in real lifethey do tests like that.
They have the placebo.
You don't know if you'regetting the placebo.
I think it's like a blind test.
Is that the correctinterpretation of that?
Yeah, yeah, yeah so you don'tknow what you're getting in the
sense of where you can make somekind of judgment call yeah, no
doubt.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I'm sorry I interrupted the halo effect no
no yeah, no, go ahead.
Um, so the halo effect, thetendency for an impression
created one area to influenceopinion in other areas, uh, such
as assuming a good-lookingperson is also good in other
ways.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Right, this happens a lot with celebrities.
Yeah, yeah, we think.
Well, they're good at movies,so they're a good person, right?
Which is not the case, orthey're good at sports, so
they're a good person.
Yeah.
And that's why people that haloeffect.
That's definitely, we see itall the time?
Speaker 1 (28:07):
It definitely is yeah , oh yeah, we're seeing that a
lot Especially and it's funnybecause that gets when that gets
shattered right away, when theymeet someone and they realize,
yeah right, never meet yourheroes right, and you know the
ones, they say, the ones thatplay the bad people are the
nicest, are the nicest people.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Isn't that funny?
Yeah, oh yeah.
The the the uh actor who playedking joffrey is like supposed
to be like right, this kid inthe world right, and in fact he
I know I don't, did he?
I don't know, but I rememberseeing an interview and he was
like he was just so funny.
He's like who hates me?
He goes.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
I don't know, it's just a part I'm playing right
right, that's messed up, yeah,but you're right, I mean he and
that's even with people that wesee, right, you know, not just
celebrities, but you know he'slike.
Yeah, no, he looks like hemight be.
But see, I think that those ofus that are have been around a
little bit longer now we know wesee somebody pretty, we're like
(29:01):
I don't trust him I gotta meethim.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Everybody wants to look good, of course you know,
and with with social media andeverything like that so
everybody's working extra hardto do it.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
That's I guess.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
So don't trust anybody I know it's like general
knowledge now, but I know theone that trips everybody up is
like Chubby Chase, you know.
Yeah, he's like but now I thinkthat's a common knowledge now,
but a lot of people back in theday didn't know Like yeah, he
was a son of a bitch.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
That's with her, we're not sure, but that's the
scuttlebutt Right.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Yeah, though I mean because you're like wow, why you
?
Speaker 1 (29:39):
know, but I guess, whatever, that's a whole other
subject, but it's a good oneactually.
Yeah, it is, but um, the haloeffect.
That's pretty wild how peoplethey automatically and then of
course everything is shatteredwhen they realize no, this
person's not what I thought theywere at all, but it's funny how
we give people passes.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
It's like, oh, it's all right.
You know, like I know, isn't itamazing?
Allegations and stuff like themovements and stuff that people
be like.
Oh no, no, yeah, he's a goodguy.
Like how the hell do you know?
Speaker 1 (30:07):
you just know his face.
Yeah, yeah, no, my, my wholething, I my whole thing.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
I've always said, you know, nah, I don't believe that
, but I get it.
I do that because it's more ofa vibe for me.
You know, what I'm saying Notjust in the movie, just in.
You know other things and youknow, show me the whole video.
But that's another story, youknow but no, you're right, we
(30:37):
all.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
someone's a good person just because Not
necessarily, I mean, I do itsometimes you can tell if a
pretty girl or someone who'spretty or someone whoever is
very good looking.
It doesn't have to be a womannecessarily, but they're dicks.
You can just feel it.
It comes off of them.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Think of how many times you've held.
They look good, but they'redouchebags.
Think how many times you'veheld the door open for somebody
who you would have consideredattractive and they don't say
thank you when you hold the dooropen.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Oh yeah, I always say you're welcome.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Yeah, right, but you held the door open for the
better looking person becauseyou?
Speaker 1 (31:07):
thought that they were going to be the nicest, but
I hold the door If I'm closeenough and I can get to the door
.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
I hold the door.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
I'm just using this.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
I see what you're saying, though I totally agree
you would wait an extra 15 stepsfor that good-looking person
that's walking toward the store.
But if it was somebody'sbutt-ass ugly, you're going to
make it like you didn't reallysee them and you're going to
jump back in the same distance.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Well, I don't know if that's true, that's probably
something you would do.
What Me?
That's messed up, man.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Never.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
You know, Tom was like, put me in your shenanigans
.
All right, pal, all right,what's the next one?
So I mean, I don't have that,though I think I did when I was
younger, though the halo effect,more so because that time that
your life, you know you'regrowing up with certain pop
idols, things like that Rightright, so you would assume that
they're really good people andyou find out later.
(31:56):
No fucking yeah, no, yeah, youknow, like you know the person
is.
You watch a show and you knowthat, but as soon as you watch
it, you forget it because of thecharacter they're in, so you
never even think about it.
Right, think about it when youwatch.
Um, what do you call umchristmas vacation?
Speaker 2 (32:15):
and yeah, I mean, come on, you wait, plus you also
associate.
That's a problem we have too,and I I'm sure that's another
thing, that that's not.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I mean it's not on the sheet, but like there's
probably another one I have moreon the other sheet but there
was there where, like you assume, like the person is the
character they're right exactly,and that's where you make the
wrong assumption right away thatthis is just somebody that they
play period.
End of discussion.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
I am whatever the actor's name is, I'm not the
character.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Right, right, but people do that.
Yeah, unfortunately they do, Iknow you.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
It's like no, you know the character, not me.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Well, what's this one here?
The spotlight effect, thetendency to overestimate how
much others?
Speaker 3 (33:02):
noticed and evaluate our appearance and behavior.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Okay, I'd probably say I was a victim of that,
probably when I was younger.
What the spotlight effectFeeling like people were looking
at me or judging me kind ofthing, weird thing, yeah, yeah,
yeah, you know like, oh, am Iwearing the right thing?
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Or do I look all right, or you know.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Yeah, when you're younger you know it's different.
When you're older you're like Idon't give a shit.
Well, I mean you still do.
I mean, I care how I look, ofcourse.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
But now people don't, they're just just doing their
thing.
Yeah, yeah, but I think it'sbecause there's something about
everybody yeah that somebodyelse likes, right, so you know
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
so, like you know, somebody's walking past the
three of us and they're going tosee you because they like your
glasses, that's true.
And then that draws them tolook at your face and then they
notice you and they're like, hey, that's a good looking guy.
Some people, people watch tooyeah.
Yeah, Make funnies, you know.
Other people turn around.
They see the three of uswalking.
They look at Lou and they'relike Mr Tucci.
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Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Right, you know.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
You know, it's the mind is so powerful, you know,
and we're all different, so it'sgoing to do it.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
And that's what makes it even crazier.
And then when you put together,like, how many people do this
thing?
Or that kind of or have thishappening or whatever it's
interesting you know that kindof have this happening or
whatever it's interesting youknow.
And how does that help withlike your like?
For instance, I like um, on theambient noise, right, I could
(34:49):
fall asleep to a whale song,right, right, which I think is
perfectly unbelievable, for Forme I could do it, as long as
it's slow and not too loud.
It's just got to be where youwant it.
Okay, tanya thinks I'm crazy.
She goes.
It sounds horrible, she's dying.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
So that's again to that too, but for me I can do
that, but to reach his own.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
You know what I mean, Right.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah, same, like I said, like I need constant noise
, like rain, even rain sometimes.
If it's not, if there's a gapin the track, oh, I won't be
able.
It's got a bit.
Are you really serious?
Because?
Speaker 1 (35:25):
I'll hear the gap.
I'll hear.
You know what I mean.
You'll know where it is right.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
You'll know where it is I used to have a white noise
machine and they I had the uh orit was air conditioner.
It was cold, so it sounded likean air conditioner, like an old
school I should go one and uhoh, she was me I heard a gap,
but it would be like every but.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
It would be every five, right right, every three
or I would hear it.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
That's great and it would trip me, trip me up.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
I wouldn't be able to sleep with it what?
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Yeah, that is hilarious.
I got more Yo, that's great.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Okay, go ahead.
Let's see Bader-Meinhofphenomenon.
Have you heard of that?
Speaker 2 (36:05):
No.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Frequency illusion After learning about something
new, you suddenly start noticingit everywhere.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Oh yeah, Well, that thing like when you when you're
like thinking about buying a car.
Yes, you always, you see thatcar everywhere, but it's not
that you don't see that carwhere you just notice that car
because you're looking to get,it like overshadowing, because
you're paying attention.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Yeah, holy shit, this is my car yeah another guy got
Speaker 2 (36:26):
it because I remember , like my one of my buddies was
when the rj cruiser first cameout.
The rj uh huh.
Yeah, he was thinking aboutgetting one and like as I'm
driving'm driving with him.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
He's like look an RJ.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Cruiser.
Look, there's another.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
RJ Cruiser.
I'm like I've never even seenthis car anywhere, but I
probably have Now, all of asudden.
Now you see it all the time,now I see it all over the place,
right, yep, or even your owncar.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Like you don't see anybody driving your particular
car.
When I had the Subaru and Ididn't pay attention possibly,
but not anything I can rememberWith the Supra, the blue one,
yeah, yeah, all the time I wouldsee the same car, my car I
didn't even see that oftenaround and then you started
driving the same make, yeah,yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
And I was like oh shit, and I didn't realize it.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
And then all of a sudden now I'm seeing them
everywhere, right, yeah, no, Ilike that one.
That is a good one when youlearn about something new, you
see it everywhere.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
That's great.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
The next one.
This is interesting Chined, I'msorry.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
change blindness, failing to notice change in a
visual scene when the changehappens gradually or during a
brief visual disruption.
How small, you know, I know youdidn't say that because you
just read that, because it seemslike if something is like
fading, changing up, morphing,failing to notice the change, in
(37:41):
other words, they continueseeing the same thing, I guess.
I don't know, I've never hadthat.
I thought that was a good one.
I'm sorry that's wild.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
How about false consensus effect, the tendency
to overestimate how much?
Speaker 3 (37:57):
others share your opinions and or behaviors,
behaviors.
So now would that be whenyou're discussing your opinions.
You know when you're havingyour moment, so I know if I say,
oh yeah, so aliens are this andthe third and they came from
here, and then you're like, no,I don't think so and he's saying
something different, that'swell, it's like you're assuming
that other people think the sameway you do is basically what
(38:17):
you're saying yeah Right, whichis not the case.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
We may agree on some things, but it doesn't
necessarily.
You know, it depends on thewhole thing.
It's like okay, next thing thathappens with a lot of people,
yeah, how about.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Right now right.
I'm not saying.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
I'm not talking political on one side tend to do
that and assume that you'rewith their political right,
exactly, they do all the time.
Yeah, it's, it's.
Yeah, okay, hindsight bias, oh,but I knew it all along effect,
where people see past events asmore predictable than they were
(38:52):
yeah, I like doing that.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
I find messing with people with that like I told you
good one I told you this?
is this.
Well, that's what we weretalking about one time, you and
I, because a lot of the thingsthat we see happening in the
world now you know the type, thetopics are things that happened
in the past.
You know to some extent.
You know the, the protestingthe clothes.
Yeah, you know some of themusic like it's like oh, I told
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you I was gonna come up withanother one like that.
You know the, the protestingthe clothes.
Yeah, you know some of themusic like it's like oh, I told
you I was gonna come up withanother one like that.
You know what's happening.
Yeah, definitely music.
I like the music one, though,because in tv shows, yeah,
there's a couple of good onestoo here's another one priming,
uh, priming.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Exposure to one stimuli influences a person's
response to another, oftensubconsciously oh, I can't say
this word Subconsciously, excuseme, I got it Subconsciously.
Seeing words related to old agemakes people walk slower.
Never heard that.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Is that an example?
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Of course I butchered it before I butchered it.
Priming exposure to onestimulus influences a person's
response to another.
Yeah, yeah, slower, never heard.
That.
Is that an example?
Because I butchered it before Ibutchered it primary exposure
to one stimulus influences aperson's response to another.
Yeah, yeah, often,subconsciously, seeing words
related to old age makes peoplewalk slower.
That's weird, yeah, so you?
Speaker 3 (40:11):
you say something and then it makes me feel like oh
my god oh, so they get again.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
They plant the seed in your, in your brain.
Yeah, it's crazy, right?
Yeah?
Some psychological yeah, it'sweird, weird stuff, it is weird.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
I'm sorry about it you know, like I always tell my
doctor he's like bro, you jinkedme.
After 50 everything started tohurt like for real for me, you
know, I mean it does hurt, butit's still like, you know, like
shit.
He's the one who put it in myhead and now it feels like it's
now because of what you justread.
Right, sure it happens thatmakes sense.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
This one, we know go ahead.
Self-fulfilling prophecy, ohyes, when a belief or exception
influences behavior in a waythat causes it to become true
see that a lot yeah that I dobelieve in that in a sense.
If you harp on it, I guess fortoo long and beat it you kind of
bring it on to yourself I thinkand I'm sure we've all in our
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lives at some point did that andhad to go through the whole
motions.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
You start a new job and I don't know if people at my
job like me and then like noone likes me at my job and then
you start getting nasty towardseverybody, and now nobody
fucking likes you.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Like you set yourself up, you do like that kind of
thing or yeah yeah, that's likea self-fulfilling prophecy
that's really weird or like I'mgonna go broke.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Ah, screw it anyway, I'm going broke anyway you spend
all your money and now you'rebroke.
Yeah, you're really broke.
Now you're basically broke.
This poor attitude is what itis.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
That's funny.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Social loafing.
Hmm, people exert less effortwhen working in a group compared
to when working alone.
Well, that makes sense.
Wouldn't that be calledteamwork?
Speaker 3 (41:53):
That's what I was gonna say.
Yeah, it's teamwork.
No, or lack thereof that.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
That one's a weird one, uh, negative bias the
tendency to give more weight tothe negative experiences than
the positive.
Well, we know that right, it'slike the.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
We already, we already know that.
Yeah, yeah, right.
Yeah, it's just the half halfis yeah half empty the last half
empty person.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Yeah, you know, just like it's crazy, bro the mind
how we think it's amazing, it'swild, but that's just that's
just an idea, the thing that youknow like that, just that
particular subject and all theother ones that come along with
it you know, okay, mind ispretty freaking complicated,
yeah, you know.
Yeah got all this shit flowingthrough.
Hang out, we're not done, wegot more more exposure effect
(42:34):
the more More exposure effect.
The more you're exposed tosomething, the more you tend to
like it, even if you had nostrong opinion at first.
Yeah, I can see that.
I can see that.
Okay, here's the example Musicis one.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Yeah, you know you hear the song you don't like on
the radio but they just keepplaying it over and over.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
You wind up singing it anyway, you, but they just
keep playing it over and overyou wind up singing it anyway,
You're like you know what I likethat song.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
It's not too bad, but they do that on purpose.
That's their marketing.
Yes, that's the marketing.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
They just pound it into your head Because they know
that, that psychological effect, what is it called, liam?
Speaker 1 (43:08):
I'm sorry, excuse me Glasses.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
I'm sorry you don't.
Don't use the glasses.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Mirror exposure effect.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Mirror exposure.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
M-E-R-E.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
I knew it existed, but I didn't know the name of it
.
The more you're exposed, tosomething, the more you tend to
like it.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
Yeah, I believe that, so that was a good one.
Then to end on, you got onemore.
You got one more like a I don'thave one more.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Do you think of one off the top of your?
Speaker 3 (43:29):
head no, no.
That's a good one to end on,and then the funny we have to
change.
So what was supposed to be thetopic I guess we're going to say
was para who?
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Well, no, well, it just yeah, it was just so this
episode is More on.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
My mind's playing tricks on me.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
No, it's just.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
It's psychological phenomenon.
These are certain psychologicalphenomenon that we spoke about.
That was just one of them,because I tend to do that one,
or Delia, right.
But then I said, okay, well,what are other ones?
And that's when I looked onChatGPT and then it gave me a
list of them.
I'm like, wow, okay, check itout, I didn't know about this
one.
Yeah, I knew that one, right, Iprobably did this one.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
You just kind of go through the motions when you're
looking at them.
Yeah, I thought it wasinteresting, because I just try
to keep going deeper into it,like what else can I get out of
it happens, see, so that's your,uh, that's your.
What was the, I think, yourmeditation?
Speaker 1 (44:27):
yeah, it could be, that's your sure don't doubt
about it, you start thinkingabout it.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Youtube, you do that too.
You start.
You get that one thing.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
It's like knock just run with it, knock it out, yeah,
get it yeah hyper focus that'sa good word for that hyper focus
.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
So so, that being said, my friends love peace and
hair grease.
Live long and prosper and govegan.
Welcome to Comble Pro Fit and the Jersey Guy.
I'm Lewis here with Kenny.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hello.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
And Jersey Guy Tom what's up, what's up, what's up,
how you guys doing GoodExmalente.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Pretty good, yeah, yeah.
So hey, what's that face?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
How you guys doing Good Exmalente Pretty good, yeah
, yeah.
So hey, what's that face I seeover there?
Why are you saying that?
For Because it's pareidolia.
It's the topic of our showtoday.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Oh, got him Very clever.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Yeah, you like that right Wow.
So go ahead, lou, you can tellwhat pareidolia is.
You like that?
That was good, bro, you came infront, I got you.
Good, I did get him right.
Pareidolia is a psychologicalyou did that.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
That was a good step away, he threw me off.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Threw me off.
It's a psychological phenomenonwhere people see recognizable
patterns, like faces, in randomor vague stimuli such as clouds
or textures.
It's our brain's way of makingsense of random patterns and
identifying familiar shapes orobjects.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
So it's not like when you say I see the same number
everywhere.
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
It's like when you look at marble right and the
marble is really veiny, oh, themarble looks like a face Right,
like a face here, yep, or theway it should be Automatically
with me.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I have it.
Yeah, I see it in everything Isee it in everything you know.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I do that a lot too yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
With like things, anything that's like a swirl,
but it's cool as shit, though,because there's a lot of good
stuff that you, when I lived ina this goes to the same thing.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
When I lived in Pine Bush, in our basement there was
these patterns in the floor andI saw these faces that were
there.
That were there, so I drew themout with pencil and stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Did you?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Oh, that's cool.
Yeah, and it came out the way Ithought it would look when I
went it was fucking crazy, Bro.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
then you were living over the gate to hell because
that's in.
Pine Bush.
And you know what Pine Bush is?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Crazy people love it, Relax bro, it was just a pencil
.
There's no candles involved, nothe people trying to get out.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
It's going to be like that movie, the Gate.
Yeah, yeah, you'll be dead.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
That's crazy.
I'm sorry, that's what my headwent, but yeah.
So then now did you see a lotof the faces after you drew them
, Because you only drew what yousaw, or whatever characters.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I drew it how.
I saw it on the pattern on thefloor and how did it look when
you drew it, it looked like whatit was that I was trying to
draw.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Dude, because I'm always thinking about it,
because of my bathroom it'smarble tile walls, so then I'm
standing Right, but then I don'tsee it when I get out of the
shower.
You know what I mean.
So I'll see it now when I'm inthe shower and I'm like oh snap,
and I'll see it.
I tried to draw it or trace itor whatever.
I got like half a dozen of themalready, see, because you see
(02:47):
different ones all the time ohyeah, I see another one, just
automatic.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
The house I grew up in.
I had wallpaper in my roomright.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Right, you can create it.
Create some good art from that.
Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Finish it, but I removed the wallpaper and I
don't, I don't think I didn't doa good job.
I was like 18, 17 or 18.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
I didn't do a good job and, like I, left some of
the glue behind and I paintedover I remember looking at like
the glue marks and be like thatkind of looks like a face that
kind of yeah same thing, right?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
you ever look at the back of a car when you're
driving.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Sometimes it looks like, yeah, that's what it is
you see the eyes, the nose, yeahright, when you look at
vehicles or certain things, it'scrazy like, yeah, my mind just
does that immediately so Ilooked it up one day.
I'm like, what does it mean?
Like hashtag, gpt and, and youknow, but that's not the only
one.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
There is, though there's like so many different
kinds yeah, now that I didn'tget the meditation and prayer.
So quieting your mind throughmeditation or prayer is said to
create a space where guardianangels can.
Oh, you're wrong.
I got my other papers.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Oh, my God Wow.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Yeah, lou turned around and he did some Google
searches yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I read the wrong paper I had for my other one.
This is not Google at all.
This is ChatGBT.
Chatgbt I'm the Google paper Ihad for my other one.
This is not.
Google at all this is ChatGBT.
Chatgbt, I'm sorry, my bad.
Several interestingpsychological phenomena you can
explore.
Here are a few Confirmationbias the tendency to search for,
interpret and rememberinformation that confirms one's
pre-existing beliefs.
I don't think we do that.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
No, we probably know people that do that Is this
about pareidolia, yeah, or is itsomething different?
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Well, we can still talk about that.
There's a number of them, sothat was just one extra one.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, thepareidolia is cool, because do
you do that at all?
I mean, do you like?
Have you ever tried to draw outwhat it is you've seen?
No, when you, I never tried it.
It's really crazy.
Yeah, you got to get thetraceable paper and all that or
take the picture of it and blowit up somehow and then do it
that way.
(04:50):
Yeah, I've never done it Ithink it will come out the way
you see it.
The way it comes out is the wayyou see your mind is going to
make it well see.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
So let's see what a crazy is.
If you know, not literally, soboom.
When you look at some of thatstuff, though, tom, right Right,
right, do you see most likecartoon characters?
Do you see funny faces?
Do you see animals?
Do you see human faces?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Human faces, animal faces Sometimes.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yes, that's what I do , not just faces Cartoon
characters, body.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Sometimes bodies is not always a face.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Oh, it could be, yeah , yeah.
Yeah, I don't see human bodies,sometimes like stick figures,
yeah, you know.
So I don't see like humanbodies.
I see like, or shapes, um, I'llsee a human face, but then I'll
see like, um, like the wholeanimal body.
I'll see uh, lions, duck orwhatever, with the human face on
it, like looking like I'm somecartoon crazy shit yeah, did
they say anything else aboutthis?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
patterns, recognizable patterns, oh see,
also it's.
It's not just faces, it'spatterns, it's anything.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Right, yeah, right.
So, whatever your mind decides,I can tell you that right now,
my mind sees something.
I already have it in my headdone.
It's like automatically thereit is.
I'm looking at it right now.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Right, and now do you find the same ones.
What do you find?
The same ones?
What do you mean?
So you said that you knowyou're in the shower or you're
sitting on the toilet orwhatever.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Oh yeah, I can still find the same ones.
I can still find that same onebut it's also shapes and objects
, but it's more than one it saysfamiliar shapes and objects to.
It says of course it's sort ofstored in our brain, it's not
just faces it can be anything.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
It can be structures.
That's what's stored in ourbrain it's not just faces.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
It can be anything.
It can be structures, anything.
That's what I'm saying.
It's so crazy, you could becreative with it too.
I read where it said peoplemake art from it, when they can
use art and make art from it sofor me.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I get that a lot with shapes and stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, all the time.
I always see shapes, especiallyin like I can do it with shapes
, I can do it with patterns, Ican do it with, like you said,
marble tile Boom right away.
That's kind of like why I'mwired that way, right, that's
why I actually enjoy abstractart.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Because you see shit in it.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
You know what I mean.
Right, that makes sense.
You got to go to the Met, bro.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
But, not like where they just splattered paint and
they're like this is art.
I'm talking like that realcrazy shit.
You gotta go to the.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Natural Museum.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
No no that's still the MoMA you mean.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
And the Met the.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Met is great.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
We went to the Met.
I was like yo and I didn't wantto leave.
Jessica was bored.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
She was like alright, I'm to go see the other
pictures and the other drawings,and they usually have some
weird stuff at the Guggenheimtoo.
It's small, it's a tiny museum,but they have weird stuff.
Have you been to Storm King oh?
Speaker 3 (07:34):
you don't even live on the site.
You got to go to Storm King ArtCenter during the summer.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
It's warm out and you'll a lot of that.
You know they have the.
They make metal art, outdoorart.
Who's to say that they didn'tget it from seeing a shape?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
so I've been to lukenheim yes, but when I went
there they had some weirdexhibit you actually went there,
huh yeah yeah they had someweird exhibit.
It was uh, whatever exhibitionthey had, you know, it's like
the one for like the few months.
It was like stuff with tvs,like old tvs, and they were on
and but they were on displaysbut the what was on the tv, kind
of what worked with what thedisplay was.
It was weird.
(08:10):
Right, that is awesome.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
That's more like working art stuff that's a
little, yeah, but I guesswhoever looks at it is the one
who, if they see something fromit yeah, they're picking it up
you and I might look at and goyeah, it's kind of cool, yeah,
well maybe like what the fuck.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah.
Well, what about when they dothose other things where they
hang pieces of whatever off ofthe strings and as you walk
around it it turns into apicture and different shapes and
faces and stuff?
Yeah, it's like as you walkaround the art, you see
different things.
They set up how they have ithanging.
That's how you walk around theart you see different things.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
they set up how they have it hanging and you see, you
can use this to you.
If you see something you getlike I'm gonna draw that if you
keep seeing it, if you see it ina pattern or something yeah and
I see the same ones all thetime.
I got a bunch of them and I,yeah, you know, and I could even
change the one or two of themto a different?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
yeah, because it's like a, it's like an m, like a
picture of whatever inside of apicture it's weird it's in like
you got to go bigger, you got totake a step back, bro, and
you're like, oh, oh, look at,that, makes you notice your
whole wall.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
You look at ferris bueller when they're all staring
at the yes exactly, just likethat.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah, we're gonna go hang on and look at some tile.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
It's been a long time since I've done that to go look
at.
I'd rather go to the museum.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
To be honest with you , oh, yeah, oh yeah, what I've
never gone like to it up andthen go oh to the museum.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, you can do that that'll be a fun you gotta go
to planetarium that'll be oh anddo that.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
That would be bananas .
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Road trips, something like that Think of how cool you
can learn that particular thing.
The way you see things createsthe art that your eye sees.
That no one else's.
Everybody has their own look,their own thing.
They might be able to mimic itbecause after you did it, but
they didn't see it first.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
You did, even just going as an adult now is going
to be so much might be able tomimic it, because if you did it
but they didn't see it first,you did.
But even just going as an adultnow is like that'd be so much
different because I haven't beenon any stuff.
Go when you're as a kid, likeyou know what I mean as an adult
.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Maybe you can appreciate it more you know, I
guess we probably would, yeah,like I've seen the art some art
is beautiful.
You know, some art you knowlike, okay, I don't get it, but
hey, again I hold up.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
When I was, when I was, in college I went to the
guggenheim and I it was, I Itook like it like art
appreciation or something likethat.
Like, oh, you got to go to likea museum.
I was like what the hell, forpart of the semester you gotta
make me go to a museum and Igotta take a trip to the friggin
city.
So I went to the guggenheim.
That's when I went.
But uh, yeah, but I was stillyoung, I still didn't appreciate
(10:45):
art, right, I think now as anadult, yeah, that's what I think
pretty much think about it.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
A lot of stuff you do , yeah, you know you.
Definitely, when we get to theage we're at, you know.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
We said well, yeah, maybe not you so much, but
that's right, so, but good, I'lljust say so.
My question okay, being as it'sin anything.
So back in the day, right when,uh, before electricity and
people were, like you know,roaming the, the planet, planet
surviving, when they looked upand they first started to write
(11:16):
down the map, of the stars youmean map of the stars?
yeah, so there are things thatare in the stars, because
without the light pollution youcan really see the stars.
So now think of how brightquote-unquote the stars were to
these people.
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (11:30):
way back when, and that's how they made the
constellation aren't therecertain points on the planet
where, if you go, you're goingto be the closest?
Yeah, you can see all of thatright?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
I'm just saying but before us having that now, we
had to go someplace like that.
People could just be like whowas standing here a million
years ago, that was looking upand they saw the stars, how they
made the pyramids.
So then they saw the pyramidsand the stars and that's where
they just aimed it.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
To put it, down and make the pyramids.
However they saw.
It is the way they put it in.
Yeah, they saw it.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
So then pareidolia is same idea.
So maybe it's not.
Oh, the constellations Exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
So then it's not that they said oh, it's a Ryan's
belt.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
No, but it would change what it is that people
believe Ryan.
Yeah, no, but it would changewhat it is that people believe
Orion.
Yeah, like you know, it wasn'treally that the aliens came down
and you know there were thegods and whatnot.
It was that you know, thepriest or whomever in the town
In line of the stars, looked upat the stars and saw the
pyramids, and then just copiedit and put it down and had it
(12:42):
built.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
How it was built was another story, you know, but the
idea that that's where he gotit from you know, yeah, but
they're all set up that way whenthey're all.
They matched the three of themin a row.
Boom, boom, boom.
Yeah, and that's orion's belt.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I think it's orion's belt, right?
Yeah, yeah, so it's yeah, theyknew what they were doing, but
that they saw, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
But uh, para paradolia is that, yeah, that's
that they saw that they sawthose things in the
constellations because I don'tsee them paradolia yeah, I don't
see it.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Even when I'm looking in the book I do, I don't see
the constellations I don't seewhat do you mean?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
like I don't see the bear in the cost oh, there's
some I can and there's some Idon't like, like I don't even
get mine.
You know I'm taurus, right?
You know it's like okay, yeah,right, and I don't even get mine
.
I'm Taurus, right you?
Speaker 3 (13:25):
know it's like okay, yeah, and I don't see the whole
book.
Yeah, those ones are, yeah,yeah, but I don't see.
I'm talking like the.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Dipper, oh yeah, the.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Dipper, okay, but the big Dipper Orion, I don't see
Right Orion's back no.
I don't.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I mean, I don't see it.
If I look up right now, I knowI see some crazy stuff up, yeah,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
When it's a different certain time of the year and
night, it's good when you, ifyou can, when you're like deep
in the woods, what?
Speaker 3 (13:51):
yeah, I'm good, all right, no light pollution.
Right, and then it looks.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
It is so crazy when you look at the sky at night
when there is no light pollution.
It's insane.
It's incredible, right, right,oh yeah, it's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Yeah, I think of what your eyes could make out of
that just by looking at whateverit's seeing in the sky at that
time, the patterns andeverything.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
I wasn't so scared of the woods I go.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Things popping off in your head.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Yeah, you know, I would love to go and see that
I'd be.
You know, enclosed glassceiling or whatever I'm sorry.
I'm not doing.
I'm not doing.
You know, yeah, man, yeah, butyeah, that that would be that's
part.
That might be where you knowwell how people saw.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, all thoseconstellations waking with their
gods and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I think too, because when you do look at night
without any light pollution,like there's certain ones that
like there's certain stars thatlike really shine compared to
the rest of them.
So it's easy to it.
It looks more like it whenyou're looking at you know you
can see more of like.
You see that like like a figureor whatever out of it like but
(14:59):
like you ever get it right, itlooks like a stick figure, but I
think people go.
Well, it looks like a personbecause it's a stick figure, but
yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Well, it was like back in the day Well, not that
far, but like you know, was it25, 30 years ago where the
people went bananas becausethere was a piece of toast that
had like the Virgin Mary on it.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you don't see that they saw that
right.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
So, again.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
They saw it.
Did he draw it out?
No, the toast was right there,so you do it yourself.
Do you see it?
What they did was every pictureafter that is that they
highlighted what that thing wasthey showed the original.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
She had to point it out to you for you to see it.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
No, no, no it was on TV, it was on the news and
everything, what they showed theoriginal and then they did that
highlight over it.
You look at what they showedthe original and then they did
like that highlight over it, soyou could see what everybody was
saying.
You could see that there was animage in the toast.
You know what I'm saying when Isay it was the Virgin Mary.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
it was a lady and you know somebody would have heard
of her.
She obviously saw it, I mean,but did way though, or was it
something that she had, like youknow?
Speaker 3 (16:02):
oh, no, no, no, she told you something she was a,
you know, a church-going woman,okay, you know.
And, um, she had made sometoast and she had put it down
and was doing some other stuff.
I believe that's how the storywent and that when she turned
around, she's like, oh my god,oh my god, it's the virgin mary,
and it looks like the virginmary, and boom, there was a
building.
I remember too where there was.
(16:22):
Uh, somebody saw, um, jesus'sface in the way that the, the
way it kind of like the windowwas, uh, the condensation on it
and it looked like jesus's face.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
It was in a skyscraper.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Yeah, that's how his mind perceived it.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yep, and they took the window out and I bet you, if
you show it right, if you showit to you and you see it, yeah,
once they show you like allright, maybe, sometimes, maybe,
sometimes it does, sometimes itdoesn't what about those images
where you see two things butdepending if you're left brain
or right brain thinking.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Where you see the ugly woman old woman or a very
pretty girl, like a very prettywoman and then there's a very
old looking woman, or what aboutthat famous dress?
What color is the dress?
Is it?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
green or purple Right , and it means something right,
yeah, whatever side of yourbrain was running or whatever.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah, right side thing, what about that other?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
thing where you're sitting if it's not moving.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
It's like some crazy 3D thing, or if it is it means
your mind is you knowsomething's going on right now
the psych, not psycho, the likethat spinning wheel, right,
that's what you see.
Yeah, listen, you could findany.
I mean, like we said, we couldlook in almost anything.
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You know, looking here aroundthe room, you know, if I stand
back a certain way, I could seethe on the name the
neighborhoods park slope rightthere down to you right.
And like I could see the on thename the neighborhoods park
slope right there down to youright, and like I could see the
different things in all of it.
I could look in the city stuff,you know, at work, at one of
the machines that I work on.
I was telling lewis thatthere's powder on that back
window.
Now I got the machine moving soI'm gonna have to show you on
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monday and you could see there'sjust one big thing of powder on
this plexiglass static and yousee, like I see like three
different faces on there Alllooking back at me.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Wow, three faces, not one.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Yeah, but it's because of how I'm standing that
it looks like you know one face, this face and another face,
depending on where I'm standingover there.
It's like what?
Speaker 1 (18:28):
So now I don't even want to look at it, because I'm
trying to think of what I didlast week, and every time I try
to remember to do it, I forgetabout it.
Like I'll be looking at, likeyou said you're already in the
bathroom and then when you'reout you forget about it.
Right, there's a damn I gottatrace that.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
yeah, I wonder too of when you see, when people see
these things Us, if it'sdepending on the mood that we're
in, what our mental state is atthat moment, if that determines
on what we see oh, probably,you know.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
I mean, isn't that like the?
What's that test?
They call the inkblot test?
What's the name of our road?
Shack, right, what do you see?
Yeah, what do you see that one.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
They must have had a field day with me, because I'm
sure I remember taking them.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Really, you took oh yeah, I don't think I've ever
taken one.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Um, I did, I did, I took them.
Yeah, um, and I remember and Isaw all kinds of shit in them.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
I'm'm sure, absolutely, if you showed them
to me now, I'd probably be likeoh, I see this, I see that, yeah
, I mean like the famous onethat they show on TV and stuff
is the butterfly, and you knowthat's just an ink blot Right,
like that's a caterpillar, youknow so.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
I mean, they show you an ink thing, right.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
And then show you an ink thing we write, and then you
know, right, that's what I'msaying.
Yeah, so it looks like you knowexactly.
Now, when you see these things,though, and have you, because
I'm gonna say for me, I've seenit somewhere else, so I'll see
something in, like I said, in myshower on the wall, and then
I've been somewhere else and Isee it live, right.
So, whether it's like a face oror a house, uh, you know,
whatever structure, I've seenthat in the.
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So my pareidolia is bugging meout, because that's shit that
I've seen in real life.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yeah, it's some of the things I can't even describe
that.
I see, you know, it's just me.
It's pretty crazy.
You know what I mean?
Um, but I thought I was like,oh, what does this mean?
And I looked it up and like, oh, that's cool.
And then I was like, are thereother things that people have
that we don't know about?
That would be in category orsomething like that.
Okay, you know.
So it's not necessarily thesame thing in that, but it falls
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under the same genre okay, I'mlistening I mean the same thing
in that, but it falls under thesame genre.
Okay, I'm listening.
I mean so, uh, there areseveral interesting
psychological phenomena you canexplore.
Here are a few, so that's notthe only one.
Okay, and earlier I mentionedconfirmation bias the tendency
to search for or interpret orremember information that
confirms one pre-existingbeliefs, or cognitive dissonance
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the mental discomfortexperienced by a person who
holds two or more contradictorybeliefs, ideas or values affect
well, we talk about that a lotin animal rights okay I'm not
gonna say anything.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Well it's like you know the cognitive dissonance
that's like uh, that's like youknow, like when someone's like
says one thing like oh, you knowthe cognitive dissonance,
that's like you know.
Like when someone says onething like oh, you know, like I
care about this, but then theydo something you know.
Well, listen, yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
I'm all for, you know , not cheating animals like
crazy, but you know, I don'tmind a hamburger.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
That's a phrase that, like I, heard so many times in
the vegan community.
It's like cognitive dissonance,cognitive dissonance, but yeah,
it's a popular phrase.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
That's funny.
Yeah, that makes I mean.
That's why I didn't think aboutthat.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just hear it a lot.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
But yeah, Okay, Lou, what was the other one?
The next one?
The placebo effect.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Oh yes, when people experience effect, right, yep,
yeah, yeah, that's pretty cool.
Yes, isn't that crazy how thathappens.
That's like a real thing trickthe body get better from you.
Don't know what's in that pillfrom thinking that it's gonna
get them better right, andthat's where that bullshit shot
(22:08):
that you're getting if you havevitamin b shot and you have no
idea that you're fucking yeahand you still wear a hairpiece
Right, he goes, I got you, bro,I got you, I got you, you're
right, some people get that.
That's so messed up, man.
Some people get that withvitamins too.
I feel so much better.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I took a vitamin.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
But that's not how vitamins work.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
That'll make you feel better, right away it's like
maintaining blood levels Right,right, exactly levels, right.
You know that right exactly.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah, it's crazy because you think about you.
Know how many times yourparents gave you something?
Yeah, you know, and like no, no, no, here, here is you.
Take this, you're gonna feel100 better.
You know that I mean, that'sthe form of time, sometimes you
did right, and that's a form ofhypnotism it's just saying to
you.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
They already planted that into your head and if you
believe your parents, whywouldn't I believe my mother?
Speaker 3 (22:56):
yeah, right, meanwhile she just gave you a
grape.
You know, I'm saying like shejust oh, she just gave you a
piece of candy.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, I promise you, as soon as you leave, you'll
feel as right as but you knowit's.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
And so that, again, if we think about the people you
know that were here a millionyears ago, they're looking at
the stars, you know.
Know, in their own ways, youknow, because they had the witch
doctor, the person that youknow, the person who took care
of the health of people.
Which doctor?
Well, I'm just saying which, Idon't know.
All right, you know, and theywere telling people here this is
(23:31):
going to make your belly feelbetter, this is going to make
your headache go away.
You know, gonna make your bellyfeel better.
This is gonna make yourheadache go away.
You know, this is what you'regonna do the meditation.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
You know what I mean, right?
Well, think about all the stuffthat you know that they're
finding now that actually works.
That you know instead of youknow that's actually natural and
does work, and it does help ingetting more people on that,
which is really good yeah, and,like I said, I think to me too,
not everything I you know forcertain things that it's, it's a
type of form of hypnotism.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Oh yeah, when they plant that in your brain.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
you know your parents know they say that to you.
I remember one time I wassomewhere and that was my aunt,
my aunt Hilda, my aunt Hilda.
I had an aunt Hilda, that'sgreat and she said we were at
her house and she said closeyour eyes, we're going to bed.
Close your eyes, breathethrough your nose and out your
(24:23):
mouth and just keep doing thatand focus on your breathing.
I was dead to the world.
Yeah, you know she planted thatinto your head, right, we did
it.
You just you were out, rightCold.
So I think it's power ofsuggestion maybe in a sense.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah, in a sense.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
That's not anything magical or anything like that.
It's just another way to getyou, to motivate you.
I'm sure that athletes do that.
I'm sure, right there has tobe-.
Vision to win.
See the win Right.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
I see the wind right.
I'm sure that you know.
Yeah, it makes sense.
It's everything, you know, it'sanything.
Those who can do it better thanothers, you know, are living
differently.
You know everybody's livingdifferent, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I'm saying yeah, if you're able to, to be autistic
with it, right yeah in some wayand it helps you, like if you
see something and some kind ofpattern or something and you
think you know.
However, you think people willbe you know, amazed by it.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Then hey man, you should do it whatever it is,
yeah dude listen and however yousee it, yeah, because I don't
have that kind of vision.
I'm not artsy, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I tried, I sat and I thought about and I tried to
draw and I just can't draw worththe shit, yeah, not, not that I
I mind, but if I see something,if I could trace it, I'm sure I
can get it to look to where Ineed it to be.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
No, my tracing sucks.
Those motor skills for me arejust Nah man.
Yeah, no, but I could put amachine together, I could fix it
.
I'm sure you could if it wasblown up enough where you didn't
have to deal with minute stuff,where, if it was blown up, you
would be able to do it and justdo it section by section, Then
you wouldn't have to worry aboutworking so hard.
(26:03):
That's yeah.
But yeah, man, I mean differentthings.
People see.
Some of it goes into what hasmade religion, I feel.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
We were just on the halo effect too, though.
Yeah, not after when I wascoming.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
I'm sorry keeping this thing you know that was
going to the place I'm sorry, Iapologize the placebo.
I was just sorry I went way outthere for the placebo because I
was just thinking about what itis that people you know when we
say, uh, what they see, howthey feel you know with the
things in the.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Oh my God, I forgot the name of the thing Remember
the placebo.
Remember the episode.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I think, when I think about the placebo effect, I
think about the MASH episodewhere they ran out of I think it
was morphine or something likethat.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
They had to give these guys pills and they were
just sugar pills, that's allthey were, and it actually well,
of course it was TV, but Ithink they went off a lot of
real stuff that happened duringthe time that it was able to get
a lot of them to believe thatit was and they weren't in pain,
and some still were, and youcouldn't really do anything for
them.
It wasn't helping.
Those were a little bit moretragic but they said it, you
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know and I know in real lifethey do tests like that.
They have the placebo.
You don't know if you'regetting the placebo.
I think it's like a blind test.
Is that the correctinterpretation of that?
Yeah, yeah, yeah so you don'tknow what you're getting in the
sense of where you can make somekind of judgment call yeah, no
doubt.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I'm sorry I interrupted the halo effect no
no yeah, no, go ahead.
Um, so the halo effect, thetendency for an impression
created one area to influenceopinion in other areas, uh, such
as assuming a good-lookingperson is also good in other
ways.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Right, this happens a lot with celebrities.
Yeah, yeah, we think.
Well, they're good at movies,so they're a good person, right?
Which is not the case, orthey're good at sports, so
they're a good person.
Yeah.
And that's why people that haloeffect.
That's definitely, we see itall the time?
Speaker 1 (28:07):
It definitely is yeah , oh yeah, we're seeing that a
lot Especially and it's funnybecause that gets when that gets
shattered right away, when theymeet someone and they realize,
yeah right, never meet yourheroes right, and you know the
ones, they say, the ones thatplay the bad people are the
nicest, are the nicest people.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Isn't that funny?
Yeah, oh yeah.
The the the uh actor who playedking joffrey is like supposed
to be like right, this kid inthe world right, and in fact he
I know I don't, did he?
I don't know, but I rememberseeing an interview and he was
like he was just so funny.
He's like who hates me?
He goes.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
I don't know, it's just a part I'm playing right
right, that's messed up, yeah,but you're right, I mean he and
that's even with people that wesee, right, you know, not just
celebrities, but you know he'slike.
Yeah, no, he looks like hemight be.
But see, I think that those ofus that are have been around a
little bit longer now we know wesee somebody pretty, we're like
(29:01):
I don't trust him I gotta meethim.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Everybody wants to look good, of course you know,
and with with social media andeverything like that so
everybody's working extra hardto do it.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
That's I guess.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
So don't trust anybody I know it's like general
knowledge now, but I know theone that trips everybody up is
like Chubby Chase, you know.
Yeah, he's like but now I thinkthat's a common knowledge now,
but a lot of people back in theday didn't know Like yeah, he
was a son of a bitch.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
That's with her, we're not sure, but that's the
scuttlebutt Right.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Yeah, though I mean because you're like wow, why you
?
Speaker 1 (29:39):
know, but I guess, whatever, that's a whole other
subject, but it's a good oneactually.
Yeah, it is, but um, the haloeffect.
That's pretty wild how peoplethey automatically and then of
course everything is shatteredwhen they realize no, this
person's not what I thought theywere at all, but it's funny how
we give people passes.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
It's like, oh, it's all right.
You know, like I know, isn't itamazing?
Allegations and stuff like themovements and stuff that people
be like.
Oh no, no, yeah, he's a goodguy.
Like how the hell do you know?
Speaker 1 (30:07):
you just know his face.
Yeah, yeah, no, my, my wholething, I my whole thing.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
I've always said, you know, nah, I don't believe that
, but I get it.
I do that because it's more ofa vibe for me.
You know, what I'm saying Notjust in the movie, just in.
You know other things and youknow, show me the whole video.
But that's another story, youknow but no, you're right, we
(30:37):
all.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
someone's a good person just because Not
necessarily, I mean, I do itsometimes you can tell if a
pretty girl or someone who'spretty or someone whoever is
very good looking.
It doesn't have to be a womannecessarily, but they're dicks.
You can just feel it.
It comes off of them.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Think of how many times you've held.
They look good, but they'redouchebags.
Think how many times you'veheld the door open for somebody
who you would have consideredattractive and they don't say
thank you when you hold the dooropen.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Oh yeah, I always say you're welcome.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Yeah, right, but you held the door open for the
better looking person becauseyou?
Speaker 1 (31:07):
thought that they were going to be the nicest, but
I hold the door If I'm closeenough and I can get to the door
.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
I hold the door.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
I'm just using this.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
I see what you're saying, though I totally agree
you would wait an extra 15 stepsfor that good-looking person
that's walking toward the store.
But if it was somebody'sbutt-ass ugly, you're going to
make it like you didn't reallysee them and you're going to
jump back in the same distance.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Well, I don't know if that's true, that's probably
something you would do.
What Me?
That's messed up, man.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Never.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
You know, Tom was like, put me in your shenanigans
.
All right, pal, all right,what's the next one?
So I mean, I don't have that,though I think I did when I was
younger, though the halo effect,more so because that time that
your life, you know you'regrowing up with certain pop
idols, things like that Rightright, so you would assume that
they're really good people andyou find out later.
(31:56):
No fucking yeah, no, yeah, youknow, like you know the person
is.
You watch a show and you knowthat, but as soon as you watch
it, you forget it because of thecharacter they're in, so you
never even think about it.
Right, think about it when youwatch.
Um, what do you call umchristmas vacation?
Speaker 2 (32:15):
and yeah, I mean, come on, you wait, plus you also
associate.
That's a problem we have too,and I I'm sure that's another
thing, that that's not.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I mean it's not on the sheet, but like there's
probably another one I have moreon the other sheet but there
was there where, like you assume, like the person is the
character they're right exactly,and that's where you make the
wrong assumption right away thatthis is just somebody that they
play period.
End of discussion.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
I am whatever the actor's name is, I'm not the
character.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Right, right, but people do that.
Yeah, unfortunately they do, Iknow you.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
It's like no, you know the character, not me.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Well, what's this one here?
The spotlight effect, thetendency to overestimate how
much others?
Speaker 3 (33:02):
noticed and evaluate our appearance and behavior.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Okay, I'd probably say I was a victim of that,
probably when I was younger.
What the spotlight effectFeeling like people were looking
at me or judging me kind ofthing, weird thing, yeah, yeah,
yeah, you know like, oh, am Iwearing the right thing?
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Or do I look all right, or you know.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Yeah, when you're younger you know it's different.
When you're older you're like Idon't give a shit.
Well, I mean you still do.
I mean, I care how I look, ofcourse.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
But now people don't, they're just just doing their
thing.
Yeah, yeah, but I think it'sbecause there's something about
everybody yeah that somebodyelse likes, right, so you know
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
so, like you know, somebody's walking past the
three of us and they're going tosee you because they like your
glasses, that's true.
And then that draws them tolook at your face and then they
notice you and they're like, hey, that's a good looking guy.
Some people, people watch tooyeah.
Yeah, Make funnies, you know.
Other people turn around.
They see the three of uswalking.
They look at Lou and they'relike Mr Tucci.
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Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Right, you know.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
You know, it's the mind is so powerful, you know,
and we're all different, so it'sgoing to do it.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
And that's what makes it even crazier.
And then when you put together,like, how many people do this
thing?
Or that kind of or have thishappening or whatever it's
interesting you know that kindof have this happening or
whatever it's interesting youknow.
And how does that help withlike your like?
For instance, I like um, on theambient noise, right, I could
(34:49):
fall asleep to a whale song,right, right, which I think is
perfectly unbelievable, for Forme I could do it, as long as
it's slow and not too loud.
It's just got to be where youwant it.
Okay, tanya thinks I'm crazy.
She goes.
It sounds horrible, she's dying.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
So that's again to that too, but for me I can do
that, but to reach his own.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
You know what I mean, Right.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah, same, like I said, like I need constant noise
, like rain, even rain sometimes.
If it's not, if there's a gapin the track, oh, I won't be
able.
It's got a bit.
Are you really serious?
Because?
Speaker 1 (35:25):
I'll hear the gap.
I'll hear.
You know what I mean.
You'll know where it is right.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
You'll know where it is I used to have a white noise
machine and they I had the uh orit was air conditioner.
It was cold, so it sounded likean air conditioner, like an old
school I should go one and uhoh, she was me I heard a gap,
but it would be like every but.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
It would be every five, right right, every three
or I would hear it.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
That's great and it would trip me, trip me up.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
I wouldn't be able to sleep with it what?
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Yeah, that is hilarious.
I got more Yo, that's great.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Okay, go ahead.
Let's see Bader-Meinhofphenomenon.
Have you heard of that?
Speaker 2 (36:05):
No.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Frequency illusion After learning about something
new, you suddenly start noticingit everywhere.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Oh yeah, Well, that thing like when you when you're
like thinking about buying a car.
Yes, you always, you see thatcar everywhere, but it's not
that you don't see that carwhere you just notice that car
because you're looking to get,it like overshadowing, because
you're paying attention.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Yeah, holy shit, this is my car yeah another guy got
Speaker 2 (36:26):
it because I remember , like my one of my buddies was
when the rj cruiser first cameout.
The rj uh huh.
Yeah, he was thinking aboutgetting one and like as I'm
driving'm driving with him.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
He's like look an RJ.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Cruiser.
Look, there's another.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
RJ Cruiser.
I'm like I've never even seenthis car anywhere, but I
probably have Now, all of asudden.
Now you see it all the time,now I see it all over the place,
right, yep, or even your owncar.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Like you don't see anybody driving your particular
car.
When I had the Subaru and Ididn't pay attention possibly,
but not anything I can rememberWith the Supra, the blue one,
yeah, yeah, all the time I wouldsee the same car, my car I
didn't even see that oftenaround and then you started
driving the same make, yeah,yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
And I was like oh shit, and I didn't realize it.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
And then all of a sudden now I'm seeing them
everywhere, right, yeah, no, Ilike that one.
That is a good one when youlearn about something new, you
see it everywhere.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
That's great.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
The next one.
This is interesting Chined, I'msorry.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
change blindness, failing to notice change in a
visual scene when the changehappens gradually or during a
brief visual disruption.
How small, you know, I know youdidn't say that because you
just read that, because it seemslike if something is like
fading, changing up, morphing,failing to notice the change, in
(37:41):
other words, they continueseeing the same thing, I guess.
I don't know, I've never hadthat.
I thought that was a good one.
I'm sorry that's wild.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
How about false consensus effect, the tendency
to overestimate how much?
Speaker 3 (37:57):
others share your opinions and or behaviors,
behaviors.
So now would that be whenyou're discussing your opinions.
You know when you're havingyour moment, so I know if I say,
oh yeah, so aliens are this andthe third and they came from
here, and then you're like, no,I don't think so and he's saying
something different, that'swell, it's like you're assuming
that other people think the sameway you do is basically what
(38:17):
you're saying yeah Right, whichis not the case.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
We may agree on some things, but it doesn't
necessarily.
You know, it depends on thewhole thing.
It's like okay, next thing thathappens with a lot of people,
yeah, how about.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Right now right.
I'm not saying.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
I'm not talking political on one side tend to do
that and assume that you'rewith their political right,
exactly, they do all the time.
Yeah, it's, it's.
Yeah, okay, hindsight bias, oh,but I knew it all along effect,
where people see past events asmore predictable than they were
(38:52):
yeah, I like doing that.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
I find messing with people with that like I told you
good one I told you this?
is this.
Well, that's what we weretalking about one time, you and
I, because a lot of the thingsthat we see happening in the
world now you know the type, thetopics are things that happened
in the past.
You know to some extent.
You know the, the protestingthe clothes.
Yeah, you know some of themusic like it's like oh, I told
(39:15):
you I was gonna come up withanother one like that.
You know the, the protestingthe clothes.
Yeah, you know some of themusic like it's like oh, I told
you I was gonna come up withanother one like that.
You know what's happening.
Yeah, definitely music.
I like the music one, though,because in tv shows, yeah,
there's a couple of good onestoo here's another one priming,
uh, priming.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Exposure to one stimuli influences a person's
response to another, oftensubconsciously oh, I can't say
this word Subconsciously, excuseme, I got it Subconsciously.
Seeing words related to old agemakes people walk slower.
Never heard that.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Is that an example?
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Of course I butchered it before I butchered it.
Priming exposure to onestimulus influences a person's
response to another.
Yeah, yeah, slower, never heard.
That.
Is that an example?
Because I butchered it before Ibutchered it primary exposure
to one stimulus influences aperson's response to another.
Yeah, yeah, often,subconsciously, seeing words
related to old age makes peoplewalk slower.
That's weird, yeah, so you?
Speaker 3 (40:11):
you say something and then it makes me feel like oh
my god oh, so they get again.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
They plant the seed in your, in your brain.
Yeah, it's crazy, right?
Yeah?
Some psychological yeah, it'sweird, weird stuff, it is weird.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
I'm sorry about it you know, like I always tell my
doctor he's like bro, you jinkedme.
After 50 everything started tohurt like for real for me, you
know, I mean it does hurt, butit's still like, you know, like
shit.
He's the one who put it in myhead and now it feels like it's
now because of what you justread.
Right, sure it happens thatmakes sense.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
This one, we know go ahead.
Self-fulfilling prophecy, ohyes, when a belief or exception
influences behavior in a waythat causes it to become true
see that a lot yeah that I dobelieve in that in a sense.
If you harp on it, I guess fortoo long and beat it you kind of
bring it on to yourself I thinkand I'm sure we've all in our
(41:04):
lives at some point did that andhad to go through the whole
motions.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
You start a new job and I don't know if people at my
job like me and then like noone likes me at my job and then
you start getting nasty towardseverybody, and now nobody
fucking likes you.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Like you set yourself up, you do like that kind of
thing or yeah yeah, that's likea self-fulfilling prophecy
that's really weird or like I'mgonna go broke.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Ah, screw it anyway, I'm going broke anyway you spend
all your money and now you'rebroke.
Yeah, you're really broke.
Now you're basically broke.
This poor attitude is what itis.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
That's funny.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Social loafing.
Hmm, people exert less effortwhen working in a group compared
to when working alone.
Well, that makes sense.
Wouldn't that be calledteamwork?
Speaker 3 (41:53):
That's what I was gonna say.
Yeah, it's teamwork.
No, or lack thereof that.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
That one's a weird one, uh, negative bias the
tendency to give more weight tothe negative experiences than
the positive.
Well, we know that right, it'slike the.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
We already, we already know that.
Yeah, yeah, right.
Yeah, it's just the half halfis yeah half empty the last half
empty person.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Yeah, you know, just like it's crazy, bro the mind
how we think it's amazing, it'swild, but that's just that's
just an idea, the thing that youknow like that, just that
particular subject and all theother ones that come along with
it you know, okay, mind ispretty freaking complicated,
yeah, you know.
Yeah got all this shit flowingthrough.
Hang out, we're not done, wegot more more exposure effect
(42:34):
the more More exposure effect.
The more you're exposed tosomething, the more you tend to
like it, even if you had nostrong opinion at first.
Yeah, I can see that.
I can see that.
Okay, here's the example Musicis one.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Yeah, you know you hear the song you don't like on
the radio but they just keepplaying it over and over.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
You wind up singing it anyway, you, but they just
keep playing it over and overyou wind up singing it anyway,
You're like you know what I likethat song.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
It's not too bad, but they do that on purpose.
That's their marketing.
Yes, that's the marketing.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
They just pound it into your head Because they know
that, that psychological effect, what is it called, liam?
Speaker 1 (43:08):
I'm sorry, excuse me Glasses.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
I'm sorry you don't.
Don't use the glasses.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Mirror exposure effect.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Mirror exposure.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
M-E-R-E.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
I knew it existed, but I didn't know the name of it
.
The more you're exposed, tosomething, the more you tend to
like it.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
Yeah, I believe that, so that was a good one.
Then to end on, you got onemore.
You got one more like a I don'thave one more.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Do you think of one off the top of your?
Speaker 3 (43:29):
head no, no.
That's a good one to end on,and then the funny we have to
change.
So what was supposed to be thetopic I guess we're going to say
was para who?
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Well, no, well, it just yeah, it was just so this
episode is More on.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
My mind's playing tricks on me.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
No, it's just.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
It's psychological phenomenon.
These are certain psychologicalphenomenon that we spoke about.
That was just one of them,because I tend to do that one,
or Delia, right.
But then I said, okay, well,what are other ones?
And that's when I looked onChatGPT and then it gave me a
list of them.
I'm like, wow, okay, check itout, I didn't know about this
one.
Yeah, I knew that one, right, Iprobably did this one.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
You just kind of go through the motions when you're
looking at them.
Yeah, I thought it wasinteresting, because I just try
to keep going deeper into it,like what else can I get out of
it happens, see, so that's your,uh, that's your.
What was the, I think, yourmeditation?
Speaker 1 (44:27):
yeah, it could be, that's your sure don't doubt
about it, you start thinkingabout it.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Youtube, you do that too.
You start.
You get that one thing.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
It's like knock just run with it, knock it out, yeah,
get it yeah hyper focus that'sa good word for that hyper focus
.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
So so, that being said, my friends love peace and
hair grease.
Live long and prosper and govegan.
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