November 5, 2025 • 44 mins
The mask isn’t the scariest part of horror. It’s learning where the mask came from. We dive into the real story of Ed Gein and the way his crimes shaped Psycho, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and Silence of the Lambs—then pull apart why Monster hits like a gut punch. Not because it’s gory, but because the performances, the voice, and the mundane details make the nightmare feel ordinary. When a quiet house creaks or a chair rocks for too long, your brain fills in the rest.
We walk through the references you’ll spot the moment they appear—rocking chairs, graves, “mother” in the walls—and talk about the line between faithful depiction and artistic choice. From there, we widen the frame: the Night Stalker’s ritual chaos, BTK’s methodical cruelty, John Wayne Gacy’s double life, and how women who kill often get misfiled and overlooked. We also break down the labels that matter: serial killer versus mass murderer versus hitman, and what those distinctions reveal about patterns, motives, and risk. The goal isn’t to sensationalize; it’s to understand why certain stories cling to culture and how to trust your instincts when something feels off.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:06):
Hello and welcome to CC and NJ Guy.
Ah bro, that sounded reallyprofessional.
That was good shit.
Very professional.
Yeah, super professional.
That was awesome.
I know.
Do it again.
Do it again.
Do it again.
Do it again.
Do it right.
Stop you in the face with awalking.
Do it again.
Yeah.
So we're going to be.
What's up, peoples?
Welcome back.
Yeah.
Welcome back.
How are you doing, gentlemen?
(00:26):
I'm good.
Cool, cool.
Excellent.
So again, Lou, tell us, tell us,tell us.
SPEAKER_01 (00:29):
No, no, next, well, we're still doing the Halloween.
SPEAKER_02 (00:32):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (00:32):
Still on the Halloween.
SPEAKER_02 (00:33):
We're extending it.
We did five parts and now we'rebonus.
We like Halloween so much we'rewe're extending it.
Yeah.
Bonus, bonus.
Well, today is the day of thedead, isn't it?
Yes.
Today.
November 1st is we're recordingtoday.
We normally record on Fridaysbecause yesterday was Halloween.
Halloween.
SPEAKER_00 (00:51):
So, you know, we Kenny, could you please tell us
it is Dia de los Muertos.
Muertos.
Muertos.
Muertos.
Muertos.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (01:00):
Muertos.
Yeah, like yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (01:03):
So that was like Spaniard almost.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Nice.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (01:09):
No shit.
No shit.
SPEAKER_01 (01:11):
Alright, go ahead, Luke.
So now we continue on withserial kills.
Yes.
Right.
So we're in the process ofwatching.
If you haven't seen it, I knowyou two guys are still in the
middle of it.
Or must.
I watched the whole thing.
And yeah.
It was really bad.
SPEAKER_00 (01:27):
Well, wait, tell me a show.
SPEAKER_01 (01:29):
Disturbing.
SPEAKER_00 (01:29):
Monster.
Monster.
Monster Game Sorry.
Yes.
Oh man, listen.
Oh, real person.
Yeah, yeah.
Real you know.
Yeah.
The whole thing was real.
Everything that they talkedabout.
Well, he was a real serialkiller and whatnot.
And it was just showing, it'sshowing how it started.
SPEAKER_02 (01:43):
Right.
And isn't that who Leatherfaceis supposed to be modern?
That's what Lou was telling us.
Yeah.
So that's Texas ChainsawMassacre.
SPEAKER_00 (01:51):
Yes.
Yep.
And then Lou said, what was it?
Was Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
Then it was Silence of the Land.
Well, in order it would bePsycho.
Psycho, I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_01 (02:01):
And then it would be Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and
then it would be Silence of theLand.
SPEAKER_00 (02:05):
Got it.
Right.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (02:06):
Because all three of those films took something from
that story and used it to maketheir own.
SPEAKER_02 (02:11):
A lot of it was wearing skim.
SPEAKER_01 (02:13):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:15):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (02:16):
Yeah, really.
Freaking insane.
It was insane.
When you watch the movie, theseries, it was done really done
well.
And the reason I say it was donewell because I wouldn't feel the
way I do if it wasn't.
Because I'm disturbed bywatching this freaking thing.
It was good, but at the sametime, you're like, no.
Yeah.
It's so real.
It's like they the acting isincredible, I think, as far as
(02:38):
to do that kind of part alone isgotta be mental.
Mm-hmm.
Somewhere, yeah.
Some way.
Like I want to see.
SPEAKER_00 (02:45):
To me, just watching it was Well, I want to see the
chart the interview because it'sCharlie Hunan.
Charlie.
Oh, from Sons of Sons Anarchic.
Yeah, he was Jackson's Sons ofAnarch.
Right, yeah.
And um, he's the one that doesit.
So he's from was he Australian?
Something like that.
I think he's Australian.
Something like that.
So that then he doesn't havethat voice, like, you know, he
(03:07):
doesn't have that the accent, ofcourse.
Yeah.
And he's got a super, he doeshis voice, kind of almost like,
oh, well, thank you, sir.
It's like that crazy.
Right, yeah.
He came up with it himself.
Super fucking creepy, bro.
He's he is creepy.
SPEAKER_01 (03:19):
Yeah.
He is creepy.
I'm like, wow, this guy is likeit's a cool show.
SPEAKER_00 (03:25):
That like I was saying to you guys earlier, the
wife, she says, yeah, no.
She says, I want to watch, Iwant to watch it.
So I'm like, I will put it backon.
And we watched the whole thefirst two episodes.
I was already on episode three.
And which after she saw, shesaid, No, I I I don't I don't
think so.
I I that's a lot for me.
I'm like, they didn't shownothing gory yet, though.
Like nothing even crazy, noteven gory, like no kind of just
(03:45):
the whole mental just how hespeaks, you know, how he is as
uh yeah, you got it.
The show is it's it's prettywild.
SPEAKER_01 (03:52):
Yeah, so of course it all stems from his childhood.
Right.
You know, the shit that's goingon, how his mother's treating
him, and how you know she makeshim feel, and she it's total
violation.
And it's just when you watch itand it's the woman, uh what's
the actress's name fromRoseanne's Roseanne's sister.
SPEAKER_00 (04:13):
Yes, who's Roseanne's sister Connors?
SPEAKER_01 (04:15):
Anyway, yeah.
So when you watch it and how seehow it progresses, you know, his
mother gets a stroke, he takescare of his mother, he's washing
his mother, yeah, you know, andthen he's clothing her, and then
eventually she starts to getbetter, and then eventually she
has a heart attack and dies, andthen he just starts hearing her
(04:36):
voice, yeah, and she's tellinghim what to do.
So he goes and digs her up, buthe can't get to it because
there's a it's a metal.
SPEAKER_00 (04:44):
Yeah, it was a metal.
SPEAKER_01 (04:45):
No, it's not metal, it's it's concrete, I think.
Oh, that's what they use now tocover it.
But it could have been.
SPEAKER_00 (04:51):
I don't know, but I thought it was 245, so I was
like, oh, it would do better.
SPEAKER_01 (04:55):
So he couldn't get to her.
So she's like, well, dig up theone next to me, she tells him.
SPEAKER_00 (04:58):
Yeah, yeah.
So get the hut.
So he does that.
That was great.
SPEAKER_01 (05:01):
And he puts her in the rocking chair.
Yeah.
And where does that come from?
What movie does that remind youof?
That's a psycho.
Psycho, right.
Right.
Exactly.
So you see the referencesthrough the series right away.
And I'm sit I'm naming them offwhile I'm sitting there watching
it with Tanya.
Yeah.
And she's, how do you know this?
I'm like, it's this movie, it'sthat movie, it's this movie.
(05:22):
I've seen all these movies.
I know.
And I understand what they'regoing, what the the the the
progression of the series.
So it's really cool, you know.
SPEAKER_02 (05:32):
It's creepy when you think about it, though.
When you think about that, theythat that was a real person that
did all that shit, and the factthat they pulled made movies
from stuff that actuallyhappened.
It's not like someone imagined,like, you'll be really messed up
and be like, no, that actuallyhappened.
I think we should put that inthe middle of the movie.
And this guy got a manual movie.
SPEAKER_01 (05:53):
He got a crazy following.
Yeah.
People loved him.
SPEAKER_00 (05:57):
That's insane, bro.
SPEAKER_01 (05:58):
You know, at some point, and I don't want to jump
ahead yet, so we'll, you know,they do check with him, have him
help the police out to findsomebody who is also doing
similar to what he was doing.
Right.
Well, you know, but I mean Andhe was able to, you know, I'm
not I don't want to say what itwas or whatever.
Right, right, right.
But you eyes all understand whenyou watch it.
So I'm trying to be polite bynot giving it to the stuff.
(06:20):
Yeah, no, yeah, yeah.
Not a spoiler, so if you've seenit on the other people who are
watching this or listening toit, you guys seen it already.
You know exactly what I'mtalking about, so you are a
definite.
And those who haven't, right,you'll understand as soon as
you're done.
Dude.
Yeah, it's just so cool.
Yeah, and then he gets involvedwith this girl.
There's also kind of demented.
SPEAKER_00 (06:37):
Yes, and that's the part I gotta catch up with.
SPEAKER_01 (06:39):
She's showing him crazy pictures from Auschwitz
and all the people from theHolocaust, and he's digging
this.
He's like, this is great.
Yeah.
He's loving it.
Yeah.
So his first victim, though, youguys already saw it, was his
brother.
Right.
Right?
Kills him in Barney, knocks himin the head with that piece of
wood.
But that was an accident.
SPEAKER_00 (06:57):
I don't think that that that wasn't, I don't think
that that was like his firstvictim to say, like, Well, he
still kills somebody, right?
Well, no, no, I know I'm sayingI I'm I'm going by what we say
what would be the serial killerscene.
SPEAKER_01 (07:07):
He felt bad about it when he did it.
Yeah.
And then he and then hefantasized that his brother
actually was okay.
Yeah.
And then went back later and hewasn't.
Right.
Found him dead.
And then he came up with thisidea of how to do the fire.
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (07:21):
To say he got uh you know smoke inlation.
Yeah.
And even the cops were were werebugging out with that too.
You saw that part, right, Tom?
SPEAKER_02 (07:30):
No, I didn't see that part.
SPEAKER_00 (07:31):
Oh no, but they didn't.
They let him go.
No, no, no, I know, I know.
But that he was that the copscame and spoke to him.
Uh because so it's not really aspoiler.
So in the in when his like Bluesaid, he they he and his brother
used to play this game.
He says, Gotcha.
So he thought that he maybelieve like the mom was behind
the brother.
And when the brother turnedaround, he did it.
Whacked him with uh with a log.
(07:51):
And you know, he he hit himharder than he hit the card.
He hit him hard.
He hit him hard.
But because I think he justdidn't know his own strength
kind of thing.
Yeah, because he was pissed off.
Yeah.
And when he hit him, he killedhim.
But then when he's like, Oh, hegrabbed the cart, he's the
wheelbarrow, he starts to runout of the barn, and his brother
jumps up, looks, you know, andhe's like, Oh, you got me good
there, Eddie.
Right.
When he's walking out of thebarn.
(08:12):
When he's walking out of thebarn.
He's like, okay.
He's like, I'll make it rightwith mama, and he closes the
barn door.
Yeah, yeah.
The brother closes the barndoor, but the brother's already
dead, so it's what Ed saw in hishead.
You gotta see it, dude.
It's I'm telling you, it'sbugged out, and you gotta pay
attention because it switchesyou back and forth to different
stories.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Well, it's the same story, justdifferent, you know, like things
(08:32):
that are going on that theysuspect were going on in his
head.
So yeah, it was it's bananas,man.
It's it's really he winds upgoing in a direction.
SPEAKER_01 (08:43):
And it you see it happening.
You're like, he's probably gonnawind up doing this if he hasn't
done it already.
Just you're gonna it's it'sgonna take you for a ride as far
as what's going on and what hewinds up doing.
Yeah.
You know, it is so demented onevery every level.
That's how good it was, becauseit fucked me up just watching
it.
(09:03):
I'm thinking this movie messedme up.
And I've seen horror movies.
Right.
This is about a guy who'sactually done it, and maybe
that's why it makes itdifferent.
Because when you're doing a it'sfantasy, right?
But then when somebody yourealize it was actually somebody
who already did this, has gonethere.
SPEAKER_02 (09:19):
Yeah, because like like I was I was saying earlier,
like when you watch like ahorror movie, like, oh, that's
plausible, but not really.
That's that wouldn't happen.
You know what I mean?
But then when you left andyou're like that, that should
be.
That should really happen.
For real, for real.
Yeah, somebody did that.
SPEAKER_00 (09:34):
Yeah, yeah.
Like, wow.
Yeah, man.
Yeah.
It's insane.
But I guess too.
But they think it's normal.
Well, yeah.
They think that it's somethingso like they well, no, because
they know that it's not okay todo because they do it in secret.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (09:48):
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, but remember, and you'regonna find out.
He plays this thing where hedoesn't remember ever doing it.
Right, right.
So supposedly he had he's sayinghe has these lapses where he
doesn't realize or whatever itis he's doing.
Right.
But that doesn't really you knowwhat I mean?
Like you you watch it, you guysare gonna love it, man.
SPEAKER_00 (10:07):
Just watch the whole thing.
Oh, I'm gonna, yeah, I justwatch bananas.
SPEAKER_01 (10:12):
Yeah, definitely.
So it it made a story about whenAnthony Hopkins, right?
I believe.
Yes, in Silence of the Lambs.
He took that to a wholedifferent level.
They took that story, he wassomebody who ate meat, right?
Right.
Skinned somebody in the movie.
Yeah.
Remember?
He put the face on him to getout.
SPEAKER_00 (10:32):
Yeah.
Right.
Remember that shit.
But other than the chair.
SPEAKER_02 (10:37):
Uh Buffalo Bill who was like wearing women's uh skin
on his body.
SPEAKER_01 (10:43):
And you will Yes.
Yes.
So that too.
That will be mentioned as well,by the way.
Yeah.
Just so you know.
I'm not gonna say why.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
But you guys are gonna be like,oh shit.
Yeah.
It's I'm telling you this story,whoever did this, and I should
have paid attention, obviously,to the credits.
But I was so like, after themovie was over, I'm like, all
right, we need to watchsomething else because I'm my
(11:05):
mind is fought.
SPEAKER_02 (11:07):
Yeah, man.
You know what does that?
Black Mirror does that to me.
I can't watch too many episodesof Black Mirror.
I didn't see the second one.
Psychological.
We mean it's a psychological.
Oh no, what's the second one?
Black phone.
Black phone came out of thecity.
On the Black Mirror the Sunday.
Oh no, no, I didn't see the it'sblack Black Mirror is like
Twilight Zone on steroids.
But more more psychologicalhorror.
If like if it's an anthologyseries, so every episode's not
(11:29):
linked together.
Okay, okay.
Like American Horror Story.
Yeah.
Like that's an anthology series,but every season is is
different.
Wasn't Gaga in the very horrorstory?
Yeah.
But with Black Mirror, it's likeTwilight Zone.
Every episode every story iscompletely different.
But like you you watch itafterwards, you get like messed
up.
You're like, oh my God.
Like I I can't watch, like youcan't binge it.
I I I don't know people someone.
(11:51):
Dude, it's disturbing.
SPEAKER_01 (11:52):
I mean, these things that you're like, and but when
you see stuff like that, youcan't binge it.
The sick part is there's peoplelike that out there.
And unfortunately for them,because they finally they they
schizophrenia, I have to tellyou, right?
So the way the guy, the doctordescribed it, I don't think I'm
ruining anything for you here.
You guys probably alreadyfigured that out, but he does.
He said your mind is like ashattered mirror and the shards
(12:16):
all over the place.
Okay.
But you don't can't decipherwhich ones are real and which
ones are not.
SPEAKER_00 (12:22):
Right.
Got it.
SPEAKER_01 (12:23):
So and his mind is as real as it can be as if it
was fake.
You know, when it was fake,like, okay, you get that.
But still it doesn't make itright, obviously.
We can't have this guy goingaround fucking Yeah, yeah, just
doing whatever.
SPEAKER_00 (12:35):
You know, kill somebody, dig up a grave, la,
yeah.
You know, by the way, Vulva.
Just remember that I saw that.
I saw that.
Yeah, yeah.
Just remember that.
SPEAKER_01 (12:46):
I saw that.
SPEAKER_00 (12:47):
And then you will be like, Yeah, because wait, what
movie was was that when it withAlfred Hitchcock was walking
through and uh they were talkingabout the thing.
Yeah, he was showing the show,the movie to Anthony Perkins, I
believe it was.
No, no, yeah.
The second one.
SPEAKER_01 (13:00):
Who was the guy who played who was the guy who
played Second?
It wasn't Anthony Perkins.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (13:04):
So he shows him.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was in the world.
SPEAKER_01 (13:07):
Because I picked you for this movie.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I guess that the you guysseen that part then already.
I saw that part.
I see.
He didn't see that all.
He didn't see it all.
Oh shit.
So we gotta.
SPEAKER_02 (13:16):
It's all right, it's all right.
SPEAKER_01 (13:17):
You won't ruin it for you?
No.
Yeah, no.
So we're sorry, we're notruining it for you guys.
SPEAKER_02 (13:21):
Something's really good.
SPEAKER_01 (13:21):
No, I think a lot of people be honestly, I think I'm
already people have seen thedamn thing already, and I'm like
put far behind already.
SPEAKER_02 (13:27):
I think, you know, but either way, if I'm not that
show, I I don't feel is like aspoiler because it's a real life
yeah, like you know what I mean.
SPEAKER_01 (13:35):
Now listen, of course they Hollywood it and do
whatever they do, right?
Yeah.
So but but when you watch whenyou swatch the scenes when it's
him and what he's doing and howit happens, you're like you
you're like, wow.
Yeah.
Wow.
People know what's going on?
Like, you can't it doesn't, youknow, you can never, of course,
find any reason to make thatseem like that's okay.
(13:57):
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_00 (13:58):
Like and like I said, that's why like that.
SPEAKER_01 (14:03):
And then you got that chick who's with him too.
Yeah, that's why I gotta catchup.
She's super demented.
SPEAKER_00 (14:08):
Yeah, see, that's right.
SPEAKER_01 (14:09):
So she's starting to show her true colors.
Yeah, nice.
So they were tag teams.
Well, no, no, no, not like that.
Okay.
Not like that.
SPEAKER_00 (14:15):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (14:16):
She's I don't want to ruin it, but alright.
She's more someone who likes tolook at it after it's done.
That's where her mind is at.
You know, and don't forget inthis, she also fantasizes about
that woman in in Germany whoactually took skin from shoes
and used it for lamps and thingsof that nature.
Yeah.
All right.
SPEAKER_00 (14:35):
You gotta see this shit, man.
So you're gonna see that.
I'm sorry.
I yeah, you gotta see.
Yo, wait till you see the case.
You'll be fine, bro.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's gonna bug you the fuck out,man.
This is it's and the episodesare are just right long enough.
You know what I mean?
Like the episodes aren't toolong, like, oh, this is just
some are long and then some area little bit shorter.
SPEAKER_02 (14:52):
All right, they're just giving you those stories.
You know what is I I got caughtup with with the it series.
So maybe I'll talk about that alittle bit later in twice.
No, we should.
We can.
SPEAKER_00 (15:01):
When we're done talking about this, we'll see.
I mean, because we're talking, Imean, because there's a there's
a couple of you said there was acouple.
I hadn't even really looked.
There was a couple of um ofshows now, documentaries where
they're talking about serialkillers.
Yeah, yeah.
You got that one woman, the onewe were talking about earlier.
That's what I gotta see, bro.
I want to see the one with thechick that she's the killer.
SPEAKER_01 (15:20):
Yeah.
Like I want to see that has uhwhat's it called?
I don't have no.
We just talked about it.
SPEAKER_00 (15:24):
No, not this week.
Maybe we talked about Netflix.
No, we're talking about no, wejust we didn't bring that up
last week, did we?
Yeah, we did.
Yeah, you and I brought it uplast week.
I didn't see this again.
We didn't talk about this week,but there's a chick too that's
that's the cereal color.
That's what I want to see.
Oh, I see what you're saying.
Like they they we you don't heartoo much about women civil
cutters.
Like, you know, you hear likethe the black, but there were a
lot of them.
(15:44):
And that's what I'm saying, man.
SPEAKER_02 (15:47):
Yeah, but usually it's men, but women, it's once
in a while you find out, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (15:51):
Because I think they categorize women differently
from cereal cutters.
You know what I'm saying?
Like the women's like, you know,like the nurse, like there was a
nurse that had turned around andwas, you know, killing people,
you know, elderly or whatever,giving them the extra shots and
stuff like that, you know.
Another one where she had peoplethat were coming and staying at
her boarding house kind of shit.
Yeah, yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like little things like that.
(16:12):
Right.
But you don't think of them aslike the serial killers.
You think like, you know, theguys are fucking with them, and
that's why they turned aroundand killed that guy or whatever,
you know what I mean?
That momentary shit.
You know, the guys, you know,you hear about like what's going
on, the Gilgo Beach down in uhLong Island.
Yeah, they they know they haveall those bodies that they're
finding out in the beach.
(16:32):
That's fucked up.
And it's crazy because they werelooking at one guy and they
turned around and now they'refinding a whole bunch of bodies
because that seems to be the Wasthat recently?
Right.
Yeah, yeah.
This is in the past two years.
Because I r I remember they didan episode of Law and Order with
that.
Because there was other bodies,but it was somewhere else.
It wasn't the same beach.
Okay, yeah.
Yeah.
So I'm telling you, man, there'sjust so many.
(16:54):
You half the time when it's, youknow, when you look at these
missing persons posters andstuff like that, when you see,
you don't think that theyprobably got caught up by, you
know, a serial killer that thethat the police or well, yeah,
I'll say the police don't wantto say he's a serial killer.
Because then that's when you puteverybody in the panic.
You know what I'm saying?
We we'd all be going crazylooking around.
(17:15):
Is that you?
Is it Tom, where were you lastnight?
You know?
Lou, Lou, what do you mean?
You you you're why is yourbumper fucked up, Lou?
You know what I mean?
What's on your bumper, man?
SPEAKER_01 (17:24):
Yeah, so did you guys ever hear Angela Simpson?
No.
No.
She tortured and murdered46-year-old Terry Neely in
Phoenix in August 2009 andadmitted to hammering three-inch
nails or nail into his headduring the attack.
Over the course of a three-daythree days, she beat, stabbed,
(17:44):
uh reports she uh say fiftyfifty times, strangled,
dismembered, and convicted.
Oh, she was convicted for lifein prison.
Just on the one dude?
On the one dude.
SPEAKER_00 (17:56):
Oh, you believed it?
SPEAKER_01 (17:57):
That's crazy.
I'm sorry, guys.
No sorry.
I'm sorry.
For three days she beat him.
Stabbed him.
Fifty times she stabbed him.
Strangled and dismembered him.
Was later convicted and givenlife in prison.
You see, bro?
If you want, I can pull up anoriginal news coverage.
SPEAKER_00 (18:13):
Well, I didn't want to know if she knew him.
SPEAKER_01 (18:15):
You know, because then it's like what did she say?
I don't know what that is, butthat is scary shit, man, because
you never know who you'rebumping into.
So you gotta be careful.
That's why I'm just let yourinstincts, if you feel funny
about something, don't ignorethat feeling and go with it and
get the fuck out of there.
Yeah, bro.
And hopefully you have intuitionon it.
Right.
Yeah, yeah, for real.
I think you do, though.
I think something, you know why?
(18:36):
Because we second guessourselves, right?
Right.
Fair enough.
But at that moment, if Godforbid you ever find yourself in
that moment, I hope you neverdo, you don't second guess
yourself.
You just go with knee-jerkreaction.
SPEAKER_00 (18:47):
As soon as it comes into your head, yep, I'm out.
Yeah, gone.
I think you just go.
And understand me, I think thatnow, as funny as it may sound, I
think we're too old for a serialkiller to come after us.
Okay, dude.
Because I think Why are youtouching the money for?
SPEAKER_01 (19:03):
Don't touch the money.
You can't do that.
You're gonna speak it toyourself, right?
No, no, no.
Don't put me involved in it.
SPEAKER_00 (19:09):
We're gonna look at what it is that that they look
for.
They're always like youngerpeople or the elderly.
Oh, you know.
SPEAKER_01 (19:16):
So now you're gonna start a trend by just throwing
that shit out there on theinternet.
There we go.
SPEAKER_02 (19:20):
Now we're just elderly serial killer attack and
see stalking senior citizenalbums and shit.
SPEAKER_00 (19:27):
No, that's what I saw on television.
That's what they said.
I go.
Oh, I see.
No, no, they said that, youknow, I mean, it's too easy for
them.
It would be too easy.
Well, that's what it is.
Serial killers, they want achallenge.
They want a challenge.
So that's when they get theyounger people.
So that's like the son of Samand things like that.
And what was the other one thathe used to um put him in the
what is his name too?
Uh Bundy.
Bundy, right.
Bundy.
You see what I'm saying?
(19:48):
So like it's all those, youknow, that they were the
youngers.
It was the girls.
Yeah, stalking women.
Exactly.
So, you know, it was that.
SPEAKER_02 (19:55):
Actually, what's his name killed a few young older
people?
The Night Stalker Ramirez.
He killed some old people,pictures of Ramirez.
Yeah.
Like he killed.
Okay, right, right.
You never watched thedocumentary on him.
That is.
I'm telling you, if you want towatch a good serial documentary,
he's he's his is wild.
(20:15):
And he was getting away with itfor so long, they couldn't catch
him.
And like eventually they did thewhole town manhunt, and like he
couldn't, like, they people wereliterally on the lookout for
this guy.
They had his picture, theyfigured out who he was, and like
he was like on the run.
People were like spotting himand shit, and calling the
police.
He's over here, he's over here.
Like, they yeah, it was crazy.
(20:37):
It's that's a good one.
Yeah, but he was he was out ofhis mind too.
He was he was killed and he wentto San Francisco.
He killed people in SanFrancisco, went back to LA,
killed people in LA again.
unknown (20:45):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (20:46):
Remires.
SPEAKER_00 (20:47):
Uh I'm gonna check that out.
SPEAKER_02 (20:48):
He used to dance around their bodies like and
like drew draw like pentagrams,like upside-down pentagrams,
like satanic stuff, and he wouldlike listen to ACDC and shit.
SPEAKER_00 (20:59):
It's crazy.
Yeah, yeah, you see, bro?
SPEAKER_01 (21:02):
There are those there's those who would do
things to this nation where theywould trap you, catch you, knock
you out, take you, right, loreyou in somehow, and then make
you a prisoner and torture you.
And then tell you I'm gonnapretty much rape you, and then
I'm gonna kill you, and then I'mgonna rape you again.
SPEAKER_02 (21:23):
Well, what's that one?
Is it BTK by torture kill orsomething?
The the killer?
So he does that to people.
He ties them up and torturesthem and kills them.
Yeah.
See?
That's what I'm telling you,bro.
Like, like what was that movie?
Hostile, like hostile.
That's scary stuff.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (21:39):
Scary stuff.
You know, you I tend to thinkthat if you're in touch with
Tardy Fell.
Sorry, dude.
It's all good.
Don't worry about it.
We'll get it later.
My bad.
SPEAKER_02 (21:49):
Watch your don't step on your glasses now.
You got it.
SPEAKER_01 (21:52):
It's right under your glasses.
Thanks, Cons.
Woo! We had an accident here.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I, I should say.
All right, we'll we'll clean upa little bit.
No problem.
It's all good.
Shit that happens.
Anyway, what were we saying?
SPEAKER_00 (22:03):
You were talking about um talking about
cerviciller and uh what some ofthem do and Well, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (22:09):
So they'll kill them.
Or even make them they'll havemore than one and have one watch
while he's doing that to thefirst one, telling them they're
gonna they're gonna go ahead anddo that to you next.
Or what about the people thatdon't kill?
SPEAKER_02 (22:22):
They just they they or they they keep you for like
10 or 15 years and then killyou.
Oh, that's like those peoplehave you locked in their
basement.
SPEAKER_01 (22:30):
Well, just the fact that they would trap you and
prison you like that is prettyfucked up.
SPEAKER_02 (22:34):
A lot of them are usually sex off for offender
reasons.
But I don't know.
But some of them I think doboth, or you know, like real
twisted shit.
SPEAKER_00 (22:42):
I remember a bunch of years ago, like you're
saying, that there was the onethat the guy, he was a truck
driver, I think it was him andhis wife, and they had somebody,
they had they would kidnap girlsevery so often and would keep
them in a bin underneath the bedin the because they were over
the road truckers.
So you know how it has that caband it has the bedway on the
back.
And they kept the girlsunderneath the thing in there.
(23:02):
There was another one whereanother couple had the girl
under the bed.
Like they had the the bed frame,if you will, was a cage for the
girl that they would kidnap andhad her chained up in there.
Yeah.
In the bed.
Yeah, dude, I'm telling you,bro.
SPEAKER_02 (23:18):
That shit's way scarier than any.
SPEAKER_01 (23:20):
Yeah, that's the real thing.
And that's the point I wastrying to make earlier in
reference to.
It makes the horror movies funto watch because you're like,
oh, this is the same.
Because they make it funny, youknow, and they have the
suspense, there's music.
But in real life, there's nofucking music.
Yeah, no.
This shit's happening, it's youknow, and it's terrifying.
And I would hate for anybody tofucking ever do that.
But when you watch it and yourealize, okay, this is not
(23:41):
based, but it is a true, youknow.
Right.
And of course they they do theirthing to it, but you know, which
makes it even worse, I think.
They probably add more to itthat they should have.
Yeah.
But that being said, it's stillyeah, but it's just the fact
that you feel like youautomatically realize, okay,
this is not this is not fake,this is real.
Yeah.
Where versus when we watch otherfour movies.
(24:02):
But now that when you look whenyou hear about Chainsaw Massacre
and Silence of the Lands andPsycho, you're like, you're
always gonna remember, oh shit,those came because of that
movie.
From this guy, right?
Everybody got it.
SPEAKER_00 (24:15):
Or influenced by whatever happened in this.
Yes.
It's crazy.
I'm telling you, man, you well,I mean, think about it.
It can't be that every so Ialways said, you know, like
Twilight Zone, when we look atthe old, the black and white
Twilight Zones, I always seenewer movies that came off of
some of those things.
Like I said, like the theAnnabelle and the Chuckies are
(24:38):
an episode of But that'sparanormal.
We're not talking about that.
Well, I'm just saying, like,just all of those ideas.
You know, it's like it's like mypoint was.
Oh, right.
Oh, I see what you're saying.
But then, like I said, and theywere like, ooh, like you said,
it was paranormal.
Like, oh shit.
The movies are based on thosetwo, the couple.
Right, yeah.
But it's it's you still don'ttake it as, I guess I don't want
(25:00):
to say as it doesn't have thesame impact as watching those
serial killer movies.
No, no, no, no.
You know what you get me?
Like it's still like you guys.
You would say I take that anyday over the yeah, twice on
fucking Sunday.
Because you know what I'msaying, bro?
You'd be like, Am I really gonnarun into the side?
I'm gonna go with this side.
I'm all right.
Like, you know, how am I reallygonna see that crazy killer
(25:21):
doll?
You know what I'm saying?
Like, am I gonna really have tolike am I gonna go to a yard
sale and buy that, you know,crazy looking doll and have him
in my attic or whatever?
You know, or is it?
SPEAKER_02 (25:32):
Pennywise in the sewer.
SPEAKER_00 (25:34):
But then, you know, you turn around and you're at
this your grocery store andyou're looking at a guy, and the
guy just happens to look at youjust a little bit, like he just
stared at you just a little bit.
But sometimes most of the timesthese people don't even know
what's happening.
Right.
But I'm just talking about howthe like our psyche, like it's
just that one, like, why is helooking at me?
Don't look at me, why is youlook at me?
You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01 (25:51):
Yeah, but I don't think most people know if those
perspective because I think thepeople who do that kind of crime
are so sophisticated in theirthe way they they the the way
they they have certain things,they do it a certain way.
You know, whether it's thoughtout or just part of their
personality or whatever, youknow, that's how they're driven.
You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_02 (26:11):
Oh jeez.
What's his name?
The one that dressed like theclown.
SPEAKER_01 (26:14):
Uh John Wayne Gacy.
John Wayne Gacy.
John Wayne Gacy.
That guy was wow.
SPEAKER_02 (26:21):
You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01 (26:22):
Like stuff like that.
Beyond belief because what hedid to these people, most of
them male, I think.
Most of them.
Yeah, people that worked forhim.
It wasn't good.
SPEAKER_00 (26:33):
And that's what I'm saying.
This is not good.
Just the idea.
Scary.
I mean, like I said, so rightnow it was Halloween.
People are running around andthey're wearing all the costumes
and whatnot.
Right, right.
You know, we had that hauntedwalk.
So now it's like, dude, likethat could have been anybody.
Snatch somebody up and pull theminto the woods.
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
At all the little haunted walksor whatever.
You never just gave somebody afucking idea.
(26:54):
Sorry.
You know, it's just no.
You know what I mean?
It's just it's little thingslike that.
Remember a handful of years ago,bro, that everybody was dressing
up as clowns and they were justlike coming out like from behind
a doorway, whatever.
Oh, yeah.
And it was scaring the shadowpeople and whatnot.
SPEAKER_02 (27:07):
They were doing those videos where the clown
would like smash someone's head.
SPEAKER_00 (27:10):
Yeah, like it was a watermelon and uh yeah, and that
kind of stuff.
So I mean, you know, think aboutit.
That that's those are thingsthat were based on something
real.
You know what I'm saying?
That that's what makes it evenscarier.
SPEAKER_01 (27:20):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (27:21):
And I guess I'm not saying the paranormal stuff
isn't isn't real.
That's not what I'm saying atall.
SPEAKER_01 (27:25):
It's just you I guess you should be thankful for
the fact that the person doesn'tnecessarily need to reference
anything, but be able to comeout of out of his own mind.
Yeah.
You're like, okay.
Yeah.
I don't want to No, I don't wantto be around this motherfucker.
Uh-huh.
No.
Yeah.
Because if he's doing it on hisown, then you worry.
(27:45):
But if he's borrowing it andhe's making his own story, like
the guy with the chainsawmassacre, you'll find out in the
movie how he goes about what hedoes and why he makes the movie.
Okay.
So there's more behind him thanthe reason why he does it.
So when he does it, he has it inhis mind and he has a certain
picture the way and now youunderstand why the movie was
made the way it was.
It'll be pretty cool when youguys watch it.
(28:06):
It's gonna be a tongue.
There's so much referencedthrough the movie and how it
steps through his life, youknow.
And how many people he actuallytook out.
Right.
You're like, wow.
Yeah.
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (28:21):
I think that's the manuscript.
Because I mean, you know, youwhy I've watched, you know, a
lot of the police shows and youhear the the you know, like the
just what they profile a lot ofthese killers are, you know, to
be.
And, you know, it always startsoff with something small.
You know, I'm like, you know,whether it's like peeping tom
stuff, or if it's uh uh uh youknow that they killed the bird
(28:42):
by accident and then they justgot hooked and they're killing
another animal or something likethat.
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (28:47):
And usually it's kids, like they like what's his
name used to do that.
He wasn't a serial killer, buthe was a mass murderer.
He but he was a hit.
No, Iceman.
Oh, Iceman.
SPEAKER_01 (28:57):
Oh, right.
Yeah, yeah.
That guy always when they didthe interviews with him, watch
those those interviews.
SPEAKER_00 (29:02):
Okay, so now let's go back a second.
Nothing.
SPEAKER_01 (29:06):
Piss me off, I kill you.
Yeah.
But what's the difference?
For him, it's it's no big deal.
SPEAKER_00 (29:10):
I you know, it's no sweat off my ass.
But what's the mass murderer andserial killer?
What would be the difference?
SPEAKER_01 (29:16):
No, well I think No, no, no.
No, I th I well excuse me, I'mnot disagreeing with you, but
I'm saying I was watching thisthe other night and they were
saying, because they talk aboutthis in the movie, where they
like the person who's in jailsays, Oh, now it's serial
killer.
So it seems, to at least the waythe way the movie played it, or
the series I should say, is thatthey came up with it later on.
(29:38):
So it was one thing, then it wasanother thing, and then it just
progressed during thegenerations, then it was called
something different.
SPEAKER_02 (29:45):
So like the difference between a mass murder
and someone that just kills alot of people.
Right, right.
But a serial killer does thesame thing.
A serial killer has like they atype.
Okay.
Like they they d or they or theyhave a specific way they kill
the person the same type or aspecific victim that's a kid.
They have like a serial, likeit's a vi like like a like a
like they have like a specific.
(30:06):
And there's a lot of them.
That's where like a massmurderer is like someone who
like at that concert that withthat guy that was in Vegas that
was killing everybody.
He's a mass murderer.
SPEAKER_00 (30:16):
Well you said the guy Iceman is is a mass
murderer.
Well, he was a hitman.
So he was a hitman.
Got it.
Got it.
It was work.
SPEAKER_01 (30:22):
It was the guy.
He was the perfect guy of work.
Yeah.
Because the guy he was apsychopath.
To him, it didn't face him.
SPEAKER_02 (30:31):
No emotion at all.
That's psych that's psychopathy.
That's that's psycho.
That's what a psychoal real sideis.
SPEAKER_01 (30:36):
And that's when I say I'm thankful for whatever
little bit I have.
SPEAKER_02 (30:39):
Yeah, but psychopath killer.
Not all psychopaths are badpeople.
Some psychopaths go into thingsthat high-risk jobs because
they're they don't have fear.
Right.
Like like like someone who's notlike a bad person, but as a
psychopath might be like a testpilot, you know, because it's a
dangerous job and they justdon't have fear because they can
(31:02):
just continue on as if nothingever happened.
Right.
Yeah.
And they get a lot of snowweight on their mind.
SPEAKER_01 (31:06):
They have other things, but they do have certain
things.
It's just a matter of findingwhat it is that sets them off.
So then you can, you know, thenyeah when that's a good thing.
But you know what's great thoughis that at least they're smart.
And so it is true that theyactually silence other lambs.
You'll find this out in themovie.
I mean the series, that theyactually do go talk to certain
(31:30):
individuals to find outinformation or how they can help
help them find that person thatthey look for who's actually out
there doing some just randomlykilling whoever we need to find
out.
Right.
You know?
And that's what's really coolabout it because when they go
and talk to the first one in themovie, because it's not him
(31:51):
first, they go to him second,believe it or not.
So but it's so funny.
When you watch it, you guys aregonna die left.
This guy had didn't even care,you know, he just talked about
himself and everything where agame was uh informational, he
would tell you exactly what hedid, why he did how, you know.
But it was off the hook bananas.
You know what I mean?
(32:12):
So and his temperament.
Now of course he was the actorin the mo in the series, I keep
saying movie.
In the series, he uh said, Ibelieve he came up with the idea
of the voice, because I don'tbelieve that was actually based
on his voice.
I think he came up with adifferent one.
That would be creepy.
I could be wrong.
But that's what that's what Iheard and actually read.
(32:34):
But you know, if it's wrong, mymistake.
But but that's interesting too,because it sounds like what an
actor would do.
Right.
You know, they would come upwith because listen, you gotta
make the movie good.
You want to make it interesting,you know.
Yeah, make it your own.
Right.
And you want people to go, whatthe fuck's that about?
Yeah, right, yeah.
Like, you know what, take a takeright, take a you're taking it
back.
Yeah, right.
You're taking it back like whatthe Yeah, why the hell are you
(32:56):
talking like that?
SPEAKER_00 (32:57):
And it is you gotta see it, because I'm telling you,
you see that shit.
SPEAKER_01 (32:59):
Wait, when you guys progress into the series, just
all I would ask you to do for meis you don't have to go into
detail.
Just whatever one word that ortwo that describes what is uh
the night that you watched ortwo that you watched, whatever
it is, and just say, just giveit to me and I'll know exactly
what you mean.
Hello, don't you?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Wait until you get wait.
(33:22):
It's like how can it get evenworse?
And it does.
And you're like, what in God'sname?
Yeah, yeah.
If there's even one.
You know, and then you thinkabout what happens to those
people who do that kind ofcrime, that kind of life.
You know, we talk about lifeafter death, right?
Not to bring that in, but thinkabout it.
So if we think about life afterdeath, they say people who
(33:44):
usually who will commit suicide,things of that nature, either
they will have most of the time,I think they have a negative
experience, but then a positive.
Right.
Like they go through a dark andthen whatever it is.
And then somehow a light appearsand you know So it's not not all
of them, but yeah, some go backeven while they were still in
the dark were broken.
SPEAKER_02 (34:04):
Dark time damnation.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (34:06):
But their dark is always different.
Because they say most peoplewhatever they were brought up on
is from what they can tell,they're all having the same
experience but in their own way,referencing whatever it was that
they grew up with.
So you say Roman Catholic.
Right.
Well, you guys Roman Catholic,both of you?
Uh Catholic, whatever.
Catholic, I I grew up.
I guess I'm not now.
I was brought up you know,Jewish, not ultra religious at
(34:28):
all, you know, conservative.
You know, we did the normalstuff, so yeah.
But it's crazy, right?
SPEAKER_03 (34:35):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (34:36):
Yeah.
Oh yeah, just a little bit.
Yeah.
I'm just saying.
Listen, all that shit is scary.
I mean, like we said before, youknow, you you I I almost feel
like for back then because we'retalking, you know, mostly about
Ed Gaines, you know, in the1940s, that you know, a lot of
us they would they will I'm I'mgonna say he was almost like
fresh out of out of uh cowboystuff.
(34:57):
You know what I mean?
Well he was wild west.
Where was he again?
What was the state?
Oh, Minnesota?
SPEAKER_01 (35:01):
Minnesota.
And he had that voice of a hemade he made it like a Minnesota
voice, but it was very subtleand no motion at all.
Right.
And it and it that was thecreepy part.
And even when he would look atyou, yeah, the way he had his
hair combed, the whole fuckingthing was disturbing.
SPEAKER_00 (35:17):
But that's what I'm saying.
Right?
SPEAKER_01 (35:18):
You're like, wow, this is good.
Whoever did this movie, and evenif they edit their own little
flare just to get it to berecorded, it's awesome because
it made you feel uneasy, bad.
SPEAKER_00 (35:28):
But that's what they looked like.
I mean, even if you look likethe Halloween costumes from back
in the 30s and 40s, then theywere fucking creepy looking,
bro.
Like a lot of that shit wasscarier than what we see now as
far as costumes are concerned.
Like it was just like the theburlap sack, you know what I'm
saying, with the eyes cut out alittle bit or something like
that, you know, just uh or orjust having just that paint that
plain, like super white face andand the pictures, the eyes are
(35:51):
all dark and sunken looking andstuff.
And these are the kids, youknow, they were wearing those
costumes.
I think I think just the thingsthat we see, what they found
normal was was just so it wasokay for them.
You know what I'm saying?
So like Ed Gaines, you know,like you said, he had his hair
combed a certain way.
They all wore the city.
Well, he was ridiculous aboutcertain things until his mother
(36:13):
died, though.
Right, until his mom died, butbecause she was the ultimate.
SPEAKER_01 (36:16):
Well, well, no, but I'm talking about as far as his
I don't wanna well let's justsay through the series you will
find that it will incre whwhatever it is he's doing isn't
gonna is gonna increase and ittakes over the he's not very
neat.
SPEAKER_00 (36:30):
Right, yeah, at all right.
I saw that too in that.
SPEAKER_01 (36:33):
So it's gonna be Because now he doesn't have his
mom there.
But yeah, but his mom is there.
He has the dead body in therocking chair and he talks to
her and he and he sees the lightgo on when he looks at the
house.
SPEAKER_00 (36:43):
I know that's what movie is that reference.
That cycle.
Right.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Right.
Yep.
Yep.
That's what I'm saying.
It's just, you know, all thatshit.
SPEAKER_02 (36:51):
I don't know, bro.
SPEAKER_00 (36:51):
You gotta see it.
Wait till you see the movie,bro.
SPEAKER_01 (36:53):
It's Get, I'm sorry, go ahead.
SPEAKER_02 (36:54):
No, no, no.
SPEAKER_01 (36:55):
I was saying No, I don't want to interrupt.
Just when it references when yousay I'm watching for me.
Not so Tanya liked the lot,Tanya was like, this movie
should be good.
She was glad she's finishedwatching it.
For me, same thing, absolutely.
But I was able to referencealmost everything in the movie
when I saw it.
I was like, okay, that would bethis, that would be that, that
would be this, that would belike I knew right away which
(37:16):
movie it would go to.
SPEAKER_02 (37:17):
I gotta I gotta I gotta I gotta continue watching.
I like I said I got caught upwith well uh It Welcome to
Deary.
So maybe we'll talk about it.
Yeah, yeah, so next.
So that that show is reallygood.
Is it?
It's uh it's it's like a becauseyou know the whole it it it it's
obviously from the new tourmovies, the two newer ones.
Right, yeah.
But it's like a prequel.
(37:37):
That's what I was gonna say.
So it takes place in the 60s,and you know, because he comes
every how many years?
27 years, is it something likethat?
So this is the previous timebefore the 80s or whatever one
he came from.
So they show him getting likebirthed, which is really weird.
So like what?
I'm gonna tell a little bit.
What was he getting?
(37:58):
You are, but I want to know whatI'm born.
So birthed, yeah.
So like listening.
B-I-R-T-H-E-L-C-I-C-I-D-J.
SPEAKER_01 (38:04):
So getting there so like how old is he?
Oh, when he was actually a baby.
SPEAKER_02 (38:08):
No, because he comes every 27 years.
So this is him coming.
This is spawning.
Got you, gotcha.
Uh so like so like there's likea kid and he's like, you know,
he's like a troubled kid.
He's in the movie theater and hegets kicked out of the movie
theater, he's hiding, and thenlike he's like hitchhiking, and
this family comes and picks himup, and they're all like your
typical like 19 late 50s, 60s,like the the dad has the glasses
(38:31):
with the horn rim, like hi, andit's got the kid in the
backyard.
And like they just seem likestation wagon, yeah, station
wagon.
They seem like this nice family,but things start getting weird,
and like the the kid's alwaysspelling everything, right?
And the girl, she like takeslike liver, puts her hands in
liver, puts it like puts it inthe kids, everything's starting
to get weird.
And like the dad's like, Oh, canyou spell kidnap K-I-D?
(38:55):
And like the kid and they'relike something shit's happening,
and the kid tries to take thesteering wheel and he bumps the
mom and she's pregnant.
She goes, Oh, someone looks likehe's wanting out too.
Oh, you t.
Oh, you.
And they're all chanting, oh,you t oh, and the the woman she
just gives birth, and it's thisfucking baby head with bat
wings, and it's being spoiled.
(39:18):
Wow, yeah, it's Pennyworth.
Pennywise, yeah.
Pennywise, I'm sorry.
Pennyworth.
Pennywise.
SPEAKER_00 (39:24):
That's that Pennyworth.
That's uh that's uh what's thename?
The Alfred Butler, Alfred,Alfred Pennyworth.
SPEAKER_02 (39:30):
No, yeah, yeah, it's real creepy.
And and the and the the Hollow,the scenes, like so.
Last night was.
Yeah, because every 27 years orwhatever, he he he gets spawned
in Deary or whatever.
So this time is in the 60s orwhatever, but he uh there's a
scene.
He's he's like, because youknow, Pennywise, I he's kind of
like Freddie Krueger.
(39:51):
He does the same shit, but notthrough dreams.
Like, and like there's a girl,she like lost her mom, like died
giving birth to her or whatever,and all of a sudden she sees her
mother, and like there's like anumbilical cord attached to her,
and the umbilical cord's tryingto pull her in, and it's like a
mouth on her stomach as it'slike pulling it into the and
then all of a sudden, like yousee like its eyes, the yellow
(40:13):
glowing eyes in the mouth.
Wow, it's like some nightmarefuel type.
So I it's real they're reallygood scenes.
SPEAKER_01 (40:21):
So let me ask you, so what do you it'd be
interesting to find out wherethe hell they got that reference
from?
What movie or what series orwhatever did they look at and
go, that's just pureimagination.
No, Stephen King.
That's kind of Stephen Kingish.
Yeah, it is.
Oh, it is Stephen King.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So Steven's out there.
No, so he's he's already outthere.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (40:42):
But I'm sure he's shining, and then that's like
the old time, I think.
SPEAKER_00 (40:47):
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (40:48):
We've talked about it a few episodes.
Agreed.
SPEAKER_00 (40:50):
Agreed, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, because a lot of thoseguys now that's the
psychological kind of you know,crazy horror because you have M.
Night Shyamalan, was it uh Peelis doing it now.
He's good at it.
His daughter's doing it too.
Uh M.
Night Shyamalan, I'm sorry.
M.
Night Shyamalan's daughter'sdoing the writing the movies
too, and she's super young.
I think she just I don't eventhink she's 21 yet.
(41:12):
And her shit is crazy.
You're like, what?
So, yeah, man.
But I gotta see that.
Yeah, it's gotta see that.
SPEAKER_02 (41:18):
And like I said, that could so that thing comes
out and it's like it's stillattached to the umbilical cord,
the the baby and the you know,the the it baby, and the thing's
flying around, and eventually itfucking just bursts out of the
glass and then it goes into thesewers.
Wow.
Okay.
But then you see it again, andthere and there's a scene when
it's but it's now a giant babyhead with wings, and it's just
(41:40):
eat people in baby head guts.
The little kids, he's killingthe little kids in the movie
theater.
It's it's you you gotta see it.
Yeah, I was like I said, this isa little spoiler alert, so I
spoiler it, everybody.
Yeah, whatever.
People get nervous.
So, but it's good.
It's uh even if I spoil it, it'sit you still want to see it.
Yeah, I'm gonna watch all thisweek's.
But the show itself is thestory's a little slow,
(42:00):
especially the first episode,because there's they gotta like
it.
Right, they just get it set up.
Even the second episode.
The scenes though are they'regood.
Yeah.
All right, cool.
Yeah, I'm gonna start watching.
Veradass.
SPEAKER_00 (42:14):
That's a cosmetic.
Yeah, that's very nice.
That's it.
Yeah, I'm gonna start I'm gonnafinish watching Monster, the Ed
Gang story.
Yeah, and then I'm gonna startwatching.
SPEAKER_01 (42:21):
That one starts off right off the bat.
Even after the first episode.
Yeah.
You're already like watching.
SPEAKER_00 (42:27):
What the, what the?
What the what the yeah?
What am I watching right now?
Dude, yeah, I can't wait.
I gotta finish watching those.
I'm not gonna be able to watchthem tonight.
SPEAKER_02 (42:34):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (42:34):
But I'll start watching them tomorrow.
We'll continue watching them alltomorrow.
Because I still have so muchother stuff I had to get caught
up on, you know, just to finish.
But man, yeah, this has been afun Halloween though, man.
This is a good October month forfor all the horror things that
we've you know covered.
Because, you know, we talk aboutit in random, like, you know,
just in general, people talkabout it in random, but for us
(42:55):
to sit and like we did the wholething, like the whole thing on
that shit, bro.
Yeah, we yeah, we were in it.
Absolutely.
We were in it, bro.
We were I like it.
Yeah, that was fun.
SPEAKER_02 (43:04):
Hope you guys are liking the uh cover photos I've
been putting up.
SPEAKER_01 (43:06):
Oh, yeah, those things are great, man.
I love them.
Yeah, it's the funniest.
SPEAKER_02 (43:12):
It's like ghost adventures all the time.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The adventures of uh C C and N JGuy.
Yeah, bro.
The adventures.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (43:19):
Because we got one more, right?
We're doing one J Guy forHalloween stuff.
Uh huh.
We have one more episode to doof Halloween stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (43:26):
Well, yeah, we're doing the day and we're done.
SPEAKER_02 (43:27):
But like we're just gonna be.
SPEAKER_00 (43:29):
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, yeah, all right, coolbeans.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (43:35):
Yeah, no.
Yeah, this is this was fun.
SPEAKER_00 (43:37):
This was fun.
SPEAKER_01 (43:38):
It's on actual the day of the death.
SPEAKER_00 (43:40):
Yeah.
You ever see that?
No.
Yeah.
I didn't even know that's amovie.
Yeah, Saturday the 14th is amovie.
I did not know that.
Yeah, it's a it's a it's a funnyhorror flick.
You know, well, it's like aspoof, but it's a spoof.
Yeah, yeah.
Cool.
But so with that, thank youeverybody for listening,
watching.
(44:00):
Like, follow, subscribe, allthat other good stuff.
Thank you for being here.
Love, peace, and hair grease.
Live long and prosper.
Stay spooky.
Hello and welcome to CC and NJ Guy.
Ah bro, that sounded reallyprofessional.
That was good shit.
Very professional.
Yeah, super professional.
That was awesome.
I know.
Do it again.
Do it again.
Do it again.
Do it again.
Do it right.
Stop you in the face with awalking.
Do it again.
Yeah.
So we're going to be.
What's up, peoples?
Welcome back.
Yeah.
Welcome back.
How are you doing, gentlemen?
(00:26):
I'm good.
Cool, cool.
Excellent.
So again, Lou, tell us, tell us,tell us.
SPEAKER_01 (00:29):
No, no, next, well, we're still doing the Halloween.
SPEAKER_02 (00:32):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (00:32):
Still on the Halloween.
SPEAKER_02 (00:33):
We're extending it.
We did five parts and now we'rebonus.
We like Halloween so much we'rewe're extending it.
Yeah.
Bonus, bonus.
Well, today is the day of thedead, isn't it?
Yes.
Today.
November 1st is we're recordingtoday.
We normally record on Fridaysbecause yesterday was Halloween.
Halloween.
SPEAKER_00 (00:51):
So, you know, we Kenny, could you please tell us
it is Dia de los Muertos.
Muertos.
Muertos.
Muertos.
Muertos.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (01:00):
Muertos.
Yeah, like yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (01:03):
So that was like Spaniard almost.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Nice.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (01:09):
No shit.
No shit.
SPEAKER_01 (01:11):
Alright, go ahead, Luke.
So now we continue on withserial kills.
Yes.
Right.
So we're in the process ofwatching.
If you haven't seen it, I knowyou two guys are still in the
middle of it.
Or must.
I watched the whole thing.
And yeah.
It was really bad.
SPEAKER_00 (01:27):
Well, wait, tell me a show.
SPEAKER_01 (01:29):
Disturbing.
SPEAKER_00 (01:29):
Monster.
Monster.
Monster Game Sorry.
Yes.
Oh man, listen.
Oh, real person.
Yeah, yeah.
Real you know.
Yeah.
The whole thing was real.
Everything that they talkedabout.
Well, he was a real serialkiller and whatnot.
And it was just showing, it'sshowing how it started.
SPEAKER_02 (01:43):
Right.
And isn't that who Leatherfaceis supposed to be modern?
That's what Lou was telling us.
Yeah.
So that's Texas ChainsawMassacre.
SPEAKER_00 (01:51):
Yes.
Yep.
And then Lou said, what was it?
Was Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
Then it was Silence of the Land.
Well, in order it would bePsycho.
Psycho, I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_01 (02:01):
And then it would be Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and
then it would be Silence of theLand.
SPEAKER_00 (02:05):
Got it.
Right.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (02:06):
Because all three of those films took something from
that story and used it to maketheir own.
SPEAKER_02 (02:11):
A lot of it was wearing skim.
SPEAKER_01 (02:13):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:15):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (02:16):
Yeah, really.
Freaking insane.
It was insane.
When you watch the movie, theseries, it was done really done
well.
And the reason I say it was donewell because I wouldn't feel the
way I do if it wasn't.
Because I'm disturbed bywatching this freaking thing.
It was good, but at the sametime, you're like, no.
Yeah.
It's so real.
It's like they the acting isincredible, I think, as far as
(02:38):
to do that kind of part alone isgotta be mental.
Mm-hmm.
Somewhere, yeah.
Some way.
Like I want to see.
SPEAKER_00 (02:45):
To me, just watching it was Well, I want to see the
chart the interview because it'sCharlie Hunan.
Charlie.
Oh, from Sons of Sons Anarchic.
Yeah, he was Jackson's Sons ofAnarch.
Right, yeah.
And um, he's the one that doesit.
So he's from was he Australian?
Something like that.
I think he's Australian.
Something like that.
So that then he doesn't havethat voice, like, you know, he
(03:07):
doesn't have that the accent, ofcourse.
Yeah.
And he's got a super, he doeshis voice, kind of almost like,
oh, well, thank you, sir.
It's like that crazy.
Right, yeah.
He came up with it himself.
Super fucking creepy, bro.
He's he is creepy.
SPEAKER_01 (03:19):
Yeah.
He is creepy.
I'm like, wow, this guy is likeit's a cool show.
SPEAKER_00 (03:25):
That like I was saying to you guys earlier, the
wife, she says, yeah, no.
She says, I want to watch, Iwant to watch it.
So I'm like, I will put it backon.
And we watched the whole thefirst two episodes.
I was already on episode three.
And which after she saw, shesaid, No, I I I don't I don't
think so.
I I that's a lot for me.
I'm like, they didn't shownothing gory yet, though.
Like nothing even crazy, noteven gory, like no kind of just
(03:45):
the whole mental just how hespeaks, you know, how he is as
uh yeah, you got it.
The show is it's it's prettywild.
SPEAKER_01 (03:52):
Yeah, so of course it all stems from his childhood.
Right.
You know, the shit that's goingon, how his mother's treating
him, and how you know she makeshim feel, and she it's total
violation.
And it's just when you watch itand it's the woman, uh what's
the actress's name fromRoseanne's Roseanne's sister.
SPEAKER_00 (04:13):
Yes, who's Roseanne's sister Connors?
SPEAKER_01 (04:15):
Anyway, yeah.
So when you watch it and how seehow it progresses, you know, his
mother gets a stroke, he takescare of his mother, he's washing
his mother, yeah, you know, andthen he's clothing her, and then
eventually she starts to getbetter, and then eventually she
has a heart attack and dies, andthen he just starts hearing her
(04:36):
voice, yeah, and she's tellinghim what to do.
So he goes and digs her up, buthe can't get to it because
there's a it's a metal.
SPEAKER_00 (04:44):
Yeah, it was a metal.
SPEAKER_01 (04:45):
No, it's not metal, it's it's concrete, I think.
Oh, that's what they use now tocover it.
But it could have been.
SPEAKER_00 (04:51):
I don't know, but I thought it was 245, so I was
like, oh, it would do better.
SPEAKER_01 (04:55):
So he couldn't get to her.
So she's like, well, dig up theone next to me, she tells him.
SPEAKER_00 (04:58):
Yeah, yeah.
So get the hut.
So he does that.
That was great.
SPEAKER_01 (05:01):
And he puts her in the rocking chair.
Yeah.
And where does that come from?
What movie does that remind youof?
That's a psycho.
Psycho, right.
Right.
Exactly.
So you see the referencesthrough the series right away.
And I'm sit I'm naming them offwhile I'm sitting there watching
it with Tanya.
Yeah.
And she's, how do you know this?
I'm like, it's this movie, it'sthat movie, it's this movie.
(05:22):
I've seen all these movies.
I know.
And I understand what they'regoing, what the the the the
progression of the series.
So it's really cool, you know.
SPEAKER_02 (05:32):
It's creepy when you think about it, though.
When you think about that, theythat that was a real person that
did all that shit, and the factthat they pulled made movies
from stuff that actuallyhappened.
It's not like someone imagined,like, you'll be really messed up
and be like, no, that actuallyhappened.
I think we should put that inthe middle of the movie.
And this guy got a manual movie.
SPEAKER_01 (05:53):
He got a crazy following.
Yeah.
People loved him.
SPEAKER_00 (05:57):
That's insane, bro.
SPEAKER_01 (05:58):
You know, at some point, and I don't want to jump
ahead yet, so we'll, you know,they do check with him, have him
help the police out to findsomebody who is also doing
similar to what he was doing.
Right.
Well, you know, but I mean Andhe was able to, you know, I'm
not I don't want to say what itwas or whatever.
Right, right, right.
But you eyes all understand whenyou watch it.
So I'm trying to be polite bynot giving it to the stuff.
(06:20):
Yeah, no, yeah, yeah.
Not a spoiler, so if you've seenit on the other people who are
watching this or listening toit, you guys seen it already.
You know exactly what I'mtalking about, so you are a
definite.
And those who haven't, right,you'll understand as soon as
you're done.
Dude.
Yeah, it's just so cool.
Yeah, and then he gets involvedwith this girl.
There's also kind of demented.
SPEAKER_00 (06:37):
Yes, and that's the part I gotta catch up with.
SPEAKER_01 (06:39):
She's showing him crazy pictures from Auschwitz
and all the people from theHolocaust, and he's digging
this.
He's like, this is great.
Yeah.
He's loving it.
Yeah.
So his first victim, though, youguys already saw it, was his
brother.
Right.
Right?
Kills him in Barney, knocks himin the head with that piece of
wood.
But that was an accident.
SPEAKER_00 (06:57):
I don't think that that that wasn't, I don't think
that that was like his firstvictim to say, like, Well, he
still kills somebody, right?
Well, no, no, I know I'm sayingI I'm I'm going by what we say
what would be the serial killerscene.
SPEAKER_01 (07:07):
He felt bad about it when he did it.
Yeah.
And then he and then hefantasized that his brother
actually was okay.
Yeah.
And then went back later and hewasn't.
Right.
Found him dead.
And then he came up with thisidea of how to do the fire.
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (07:21):
To say he got uh you know smoke inlation.
Yeah.
And even the cops were were werebugging out with that too.
You saw that part, right, Tom?
SPEAKER_02 (07:30):
No, I didn't see that part.
SPEAKER_00 (07:31):
Oh no, but they didn't.
They let him go.
No, no, no, I know, I know.
But that he was that the copscame and spoke to him.
Uh because so it's not really aspoiler.
So in the in when his like Bluesaid, he they he and his brother
used to play this game.
He says, Gotcha.
So he thought that he maybelieve like the mom was behind
the brother.
And when the brother turnedaround, he did it.
Whacked him with uh with a log.
(07:51):
And you know, he he hit himharder than he hit the card.
He hit him hard.
He hit him hard.
But because I think he justdidn't know his own strength
kind of thing.
Yeah, because he was pissed off.
Yeah.
And when he hit him, he killedhim.
But then when he's like, Oh, hegrabbed the cart, he's the
wheelbarrow, he starts to runout of the barn, and his brother
jumps up, looks, you know, andhe's like, Oh, you got me good
there, Eddie.
Right.
When he's walking out of thebarn.
(08:12):
When he's walking out of thebarn.
He's like, okay.
He's like, I'll make it rightwith mama, and he closes the
barn door.
Yeah, yeah.
The brother closes the barndoor, but the brother's already
dead, so it's what Ed saw in hishead.
You gotta see it, dude.
It's I'm telling you, it'sbugged out, and you gotta pay
attention because it switchesyou back and forth to different
stories.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Well, it's the same story, justdifferent, you know, like things
(08:32):
that are going on that theysuspect were going on in his
head.
So yeah, it was it's bananas,man.
It's it's really he winds upgoing in a direction.
SPEAKER_01 (08:43):
And it you see it happening.
You're like, he's probably gonnawind up doing this if he hasn't
done it already.
Just you're gonna it's it'sgonna take you for a ride as far
as what's going on and what hewinds up doing.
Yeah.
You know, it is so demented onevery every level.
That's how good it was, becauseit fucked me up just watching
it.
(09:03):
I'm thinking this movie messedme up.
And I've seen horror movies.
Right.
This is about a guy who'sactually done it, and maybe
that's why it makes itdifferent.
Because when you're doing a it'sfantasy, right?
But then when somebody yourealize it was actually somebody
who already did this, has gonethere.
SPEAKER_02 (09:19):
Yeah, because like like I was I was saying earlier,
like when you watch like ahorror movie, like, oh, that's
plausible, but not really.
That's that wouldn't happen.
You know what I mean?
But then when you left andyou're like that, that should
be.
That should really happen.
For real, for real.
Yeah, somebody did that.
SPEAKER_00 (09:34):
Yeah, yeah.
Like, wow.
Yeah, man.
Yeah.
It's insane.
But I guess too.
But they think it's normal.
Well, yeah.
They think that it's somethingso like they well, no, because
they know that it's not okay todo because they do it in secret.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (09:48):
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, but remember, and you'regonna find out.
He plays this thing where hedoesn't remember ever doing it.
Right, right.
So supposedly he had he's sayinghe has these lapses where he
doesn't realize or whatever itis he's doing.
Right.
But that doesn't really you knowwhat I mean?
Like you you watch it, you guysare gonna love it, man.
SPEAKER_00 (10:07):
Just watch the whole thing.
Oh, I'm gonna, yeah, I justwatch bananas.
SPEAKER_01 (10:12):
Yeah, definitely.
So it it made a story about whenAnthony Hopkins, right?
I believe.
Yes, in Silence of the Lambs.
He took that to a wholedifferent level.
They took that story, he wassomebody who ate meat, right?
Right.
Skinned somebody in the movie.
Yeah.
Remember?
He put the face on him to getout.
SPEAKER_00 (10:32):
Yeah.
Right.
Remember that shit.
But other than the chair.
SPEAKER_02 (10:37):
Uh Buffalo Bill who was like wearing women's uh skin
on his body.
SPEAKER_01 (10:43):
And you will Yes.
Yes.
So that too.
That will be mentioned as well,by the way.
Yeah.
Just so you know.
I'm not gonna say why.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
But you guys are gonna be like,oh shit.
Yeah.
It's I'm telling you this story,whoever did this, and I should
have paid attention, obviously,to the credits.
But I was so like, after themovie was over, I'm like, all
right, we need to watchsomething else because I'm my
(11:05):
mind is fought.
SPEAKER_02 (11:07):
Yeah, man.
You know what does that?
Black Mirror does that to me.
I can't watch too many episodesof Black Mirror.
I didn't see the second one.
Psychological.
We mean it's a psychological.
Oh no, what's the second one?
Black phone.
Black phone came out of thecity.
On the Black Mirror the Sunday.
Oh no, no, I didn't see the it'sblack Black Mirror is like
Twilight Zone on steroids.
But more more psychologicalhorror.
If like if it's an anthologyseries, so every episode's not
(11:29):
linked together.
Okay, okay.
Like American Horror Story.
Yeah.
Like that's an anthology series,but every season is is
different.
Wasn't Gaga in the very horrorstory?
Yeah.
But with Black Mirror, it's likeTwilight Zone.
Every episode every story iscompletely different.
But like you you watch itafterwards, you get like messed
up.
You're like, oh my God.
Like I I can't watch, like youcan't binge it.
I I I don't know people someone.
(11:51):
Dude, it's disturbing.
SPEAKER_01 (11:52):
I mean, these things that you're like, and but when
you see stuff like that, youcan't binge it.
The sick part is there's peoplelike that out there.
And unfortunately for them,because they finally they they
schizophrenia, I have to tellyou, right?
So the way the guy, the doctordescribed it, I don't think I'm
ruining anything for you here.
You guys probably alreadyfigured that out, but he does.
He said your mind is like ashattered mirror and the shards
(12:16):
all over the place.
Okay.
But you don't can't decipherwhich ones are real and which
ones are not.
SPEAKER_00 (12:22):
Right.
Got it.
SPEAKER_01 (12:23):
So and his mind is as real as it can be as if it
was fake.
You know, when it was fake,like, okay, you get that.
But still it doesn't make itright, obviously.
We can't have this guy goingaround fucking Yeah, yeah, just
doing whatever.
SPEAKER_00 (12:35):
You know, kill somebody, dig up a grave, la,
yeah.
You know, by the way, Vulva.
Just remember that I saw that.
I saw that.
Yeah, yeah.
Just remember that.
SPEAKER_01 (12:46):
I saw that.
SPEAKER_00 (12:47):
And then you will be like, Yeah, because wait, what
movie was was that when it withAlfred Hitchcock was walking
through and uh they were talkingabout the thing.
Yeah, he was showing the show,the movie to Anthony Perkins, I
believe it was.
No, no, yeah.
The second one.
SPEAKER_01 (13:00):
Who was the guy who played who was the guy who
played Second?
It wasn't Anthony Perkins.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (13:04):
So he shows him.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was in the world.
SPEAKER_01 (13:07):
Because I picked you for this movie.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I guess that the you guysseen that part then already.
I saw that part.
I see.
He didn't see that all.
He didn't see it all.
Oh shit.
So we gotta.
SPEAKER_02 (13:16):
It's all right, it's all right.
SPEAKER_01 (13:17):
You won't ruin it for you?
No.
Yeah, no.
So we're sorry, we're notruining it for you guys.
SPEAKER_02 (13:21):
Something's really good.
SPEAKER_01 (13:21):
No, I think a lot of people be honestly, I think I'm
already people have seen thedamn thing already, and I'm like
put far behind already.
SPEAKER_02 (13:27):
I think, you know, but either way, if I'm not that
show, I I don't feel is like aspoiler because it's a real life
yeah, like you know what I mean.
SPEAKER_01 (13:35):
Now listen, of course they Hollywood it and do
whatever they do, right?
Yeah.
So but but when you watch whenyou swatch the scenes when it's
him and what he's doing and howit happens, you're like you
you're like, wow.
Yeah.
Wow.
People know what's going on?
Like, you can't it doesn't, youknow, you can never, of course,
find any reason to make thatseem like that's okay.
(13:57):
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_00 (13:58):
Like and like I said, that's why like that.
SPEAKER_01 (14:03):
And then you got that chick who's with him too.
Yeah, that's why I gotta catchup.
She's super demented.
SPEAKER_00 (14:08):
Yeah, see, that's right.
SPEAKER_01 (14:09):
So she's starting to show her true colors.
Yeah, nice.
So they were tag teams.
Well, no, no, no, not like that.
Okay.
Not like that.
SPEAKER_00 (14:15):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (14:16):
She's I don't want to ruin it, but alright.
She's more someone who likes tolook at it after it's done.
That's where her mind is at.
You know, and don't forget inthis, she also fantasizes about
that woman in in Germany whoactually took skin from shoes
and used it for lamps and thingsof that nature.
Yeah.
All right.
SPEAKER_00 (14:35):
You gotta see this shit, man.
So you're gonna see that.
I'm sorry.
I yeah, you gotta see.
Yo, wait till you see the case.
You'll be fine, bro.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's gonna bug you the fuck out,man.
This is it's and the episodesare are just right long enough.
You know what I mean?
Like the episodes aren't toolong, like, oh, this is just
some are long and then some area little bit shorter.
SPEAKER_02 (14:52):
All right, they're just giving you those stories.
You know what is I I got caughtup with with the it series.
So maybe I'll talk about that alittle bit later in twice.
No, we should.
We can.
SPEAKER_00 (15:01):
When we're done talking about this, we'll see.
I mean, because we're talking, Imean, because there's a there's
a couple of you said there was acouple.
I hadn't even really looked.
There was a couple of um ofshows now, documentaries where
they're talking about serialkillers.
Yeah, yeah.
You got that one woman, the onewe were talking about earlier.
That's what I gotta see, bro.
I want to see the one with thechick that she's the killer.
SPEAKER_01 (15:20):
Yeah.
Like I want to see that has uhwhat's it called?
I don't have no.
We just talked about it.
SPEAKER_00 (15:24):
No, not this week.
Maybe we talked about Netflix.
No, we're talking about no, wejust we didn't bring that up
last week, did we?
Yeah, we did.
Yeah, you and I brought it uplast week.
I didn't see this again.
We didn't talk about this week,but there's a chick too that's
that's the cereal color.
That's what I want to see.
Oh, I see what you're saying.
Like they they we you don't heartoo much about women civil
cutters.
Like, you know, you hear likethe the black, but there were a
lot of them.
(15:44):
And that's what I'm saying, man.
SPEAKER_02 (15:47):
Yeah, but usually it's men, but women, it's once
in a while you find out, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (15:51):
Because I think they categorize women differently
from cereal cutters.
You know what I'm saying?
Like the women's like, you know,like the nurse, like there was a
nurse that had turned around andwas, you know, killing people,
you know, elderly or whatever,giving them the extra shots and
stuff like that, you know.
Another one where she had peoplethat were coming and staying at
her boarding house kind of shit.
Yeah, yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like little things like that.
(16:12):
Right.
But you don't think of them aslike the serial killers.
You think like, you know, theguys are fucking with them, and
that's why they turned aroundand killed that guy or whatever,
you know what I mean?
That momentary shit.
You know, the guys, you know,you hear about like what's going
on, the Gilgo Beach down in uhLong Island.
Yeah, they they know they haveall those bodies that they're
finding out in the beach.
(16:32):
That's fucked up.
And it's crazy because they werelooking at one guy and they
turned around and now they'refinding a whole bunch of bodies
because that seems to be the Wasthat recently?
Right.
Yeah, yeah.
This is in the past two years.
Because I r I remember they didan episode of Law and Order with
that.
Because there was other bodies,but it was somewhere else.
It wasn't the same beach.
Okay, yeah.
Yeah.
So I'm telling you, man, there'sjust so many.
(16:54):
You half the time when it's, youknow, when you look at these
missing persons posters andstuff like that, when you see,
you don't think that theyprobably got caught up by, you
know, a serial killer that thethat the police or well, yeah,
I'll say the police don't wantto say he's a serial killer.
Because then that's when you puteverybody in the panic.
You know what I'm saying?
We we'd all be going crazylooking around.
(17:15):
Is that you?
Is it Tom, where were you lastnight?
You know?
Lou, Lou, what do you mean?
You you you're why is yourbumper fucked up, Lou?
You know what I mean?
What's on your bumper, man?
SPEAKER_01 (17:24):
Yeah, so did you guys ever hear Angela Simpson?
No.
No.
She tortured and murdered46-year-old Terry Neely in
Phoenix in August 2009 andadmitted to hammering three-inch
nails or nail into his headduring the attack.
Over the course of a three-daythree days, she beat, stabbed,
(17:44):
uh reports she uh say fiftyfifty times, strangled,
dismembered, and convicted.
Oh, she was convicted for lifein prison.
Just on the one dude?
On the one dude.
SPEAKER_00 (17:56):
Oh, you believed it?
SPEAKER_01 (17:57):
That's crazy.
I'm sorry, guys.
No sorry.
I'm sorry.
For three days she beat him.
Stabbed him.
Fifty times she stabbed him.
Strangled and dismembered him.
Was later convicted and givenlife in prison.
You see, bro?
If you want, I can pull up anoriginal news coverage.
SPEAKER_00 (18:13):
Well, I didn't want to know if she knew him.
SPEAKER_01 (18:15):
You know, because then it's like what did she say?
I don't know what that is, butthat is scary shit, man, because
you never know who you'rebumping into.
So you gotta be careful.
That's why I'm just let yourinstincts, if you feel funny
about something, don't ignorethat feeling and go with it and
get the fuck out of there.
Yeah, bro.
And hopefully you have intuitionon it.
Right.
Yeah, yeah, for real.
I think you do, though.
I think something, you know why?
(18:36):
Because we second guessourselves, right?
Right.
Fair enough.
But at that moment, if Godforbid you ever find yourself in
that moment, I hope you neverdo, you don't second guess
yourself.
You just go with knee-jerkreaction.
SPEAKER_00 (18:47):
As soon as it comes into your head, yep, I'm out.
Yeah, gone.
I think you just go.
And understand me, I think thatnow, as funny as it may sound, I
think we're too old for a serialkiller to come after us.
Okay, dude.
Because I think Why are youtouching the money for?
SPEAKER_01 (19:03):
Don't touch the money.
You can't do that.
You're gonna speak it toyourself, right?
No, no, no.
Don't put me involved in it.
SPEAKER_00 (19:09):
We're gonna look at what it is that that they look
for.
They're always like youngerpeople or the elderly.
Oh, you know.
SPEAKER_01 (19:16):
So now you're gonna start a trend by just throwing
that shit out there on theinternet.
There we go.
SPEAKER_02 (19:20):
Now we're just elderly serial killer attack and
see stalking senior citizenalbums and shit.
SPEAKER_00 (19:27):
No, that's what I saw on television.
That's what they said.
I go.
Oh, I see.
No, no, they said that, youknow, I mean, it's too easy for
them.
It would be too easy.
Well, that's what it is.
Serial killers, they want achallenge.
They want a challenge.
So that's when they get theyounger people.
So that's like the son of Samand things like that.
And what was the other one thathe used to um put him in the
what is his name too?
Uh Bundy.
Bundy, right.
Bundy.
You see what I'm saying?
(19:48):
So like it's all those, youknow, that they were the
youngers.
It was the girls.
Yeah, stalking women.
Exactly.
So, you know, it was that.
SPEAKER_02 (19:55):
Actually, what's his name killed a few young older
people?
The Night Stalker Ramirez.
He killed some old people,pictures of Ramirez.
Yeah.
Like he killed.
Okay, right, right.
You never watched thedocumentary on him.
That is.
I'm telling you, if you want towatch a good serial documentary,
he's he's his is wild.
(20:15):
And he was getting away with itfor so long, they couldn't catch
him.
And like eventually they did thewhole town manhunt, and like he
couldn't, like, they people wereliterally on the lookout for
this guy.
They had his picture, theyfigured out who he was, and like
he was like on the run.
People were like spotting himand shit, and calling the
police.
He's over here, he's over here.
Like, they yeah, it was crazy.
(20:37):
It's that's a good one.
Yeah, but he was he was out ofhis mind too.
He was he was killed and he wentto San Francisco.
He killed people in SanFrancisco, went back to LA,
killed people in LA again.
unknown (20:45):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (20:46):
Remires.
SPEAKER_00 (20:47):
Uh I'm gonna check that out.
SPEAKER_02 (20:48):
He used to dance around their bodies like and
like drew draw like pentagrams,like upside-down pentagrams,
like satanic stuff, and he wouldlike listen to ACDC and shit.
SPEAKER_00 (20:59):
It's crazy.
Yeah, yeah, you see, bro?
SPEAKER_01 (21:02):
There are those there's those who would do
things to this nation where theywould trap you, catch you, knock
you out, take you, right, loreyou in somehow, and then make
you a prisoner and torture you.
And then tell you I'm gonnapretty much rape you, and then
I'm gonna kill you, and then I'mgonna rape you again.
SPEAKER_02 (21:23):
Well, what's that one?
Is it BTK by torture kill orsomething?
The the killer?
So he does that to people.
He ties them up and torturesthem and kills them.
Yeah.
See?
That's what I'm telling you,bro.
Like, like what was that movie?
Hostile, like hostile.
That's scary stuff.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (21:39):
Scary stuff.
You know, you I tend to thinkthat if you're in touch with
Tardy Fell.
Sorry, dude.
It's all good.
Don't worry about it.
We'll get it later.
My bad.
SPEAKER_02 (21:49):
Watch your don't step on your glasses now.
You got it.
SPEAKER_01 (21:52):
It's right under your glasses.
Thanks, Cons.
Woo! We had an accident here.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I, I should say.
All right, we'll we'll clean upa little bit.
No problem.
It's all good.
Shit that happens.
Anyway, what were we saying?
SPEAKER_00 (22:03):
You were talking about um talking about
cerviciller and uh what some ofthem do and Well, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (22:09):
So they'll kill them.
Or even make them they'll havemore than one and have one watch
while he's doing that to thefirst one, telling them they're
gonna they're gonna go ahead anddo that to you next.
Or what about the people thatdon't kill?
SPEAKER_02 (22:22):
They just they they or they they keep you for like
10 or 15 years and then killyou.
Oh, that's like those peoplehave you locked in their
basement.
SPEAKER_01 (22:30):
Well, just the fact that they would trap you and
prison you like that is prettyfucked up.
SPEAKER_02 (22:34):
A lot of them are usually sex off for offender
reasons.
But I don't know.
But some of them I think doboth, or you know, like real
twisted shit.
SPEAKER_00 (22:42):
I remember a bunch of years ago, like you're
saying, that there was the onethat the guy, he was a truck
driver, I think it was him andhis wife, and they had somebody,
they had they would kidnap girlsevery so often and would keep
them in a bin underneath the bedin the because they were over
the road truckers.
So you know how it has that caband it has the bedway on the
back.
And they kept the girlsunderneath the thing in there.
(23:02):
There was another one whereanother couple had the girl
under the bed.
Like they had the the bed frame,if you will, was a cage for the
girl that they would kidnap andhad her chained up in there.
Yeah.
In the bed.
Yeah, dude, I'm telling you,bro.
SPEAKER_02 (23:18):
That shit's way scarier than any.
SPEAKER_01 (23:20):
Yeah, that's the real thing.
And that's the point I wastrying to make earlier in
reference to.
It makes the horror movies funto watch because you're like,
oh, this is the same.
Because they make it funny, youknow, and they have the
suspense, there's music.
But in real life, there's nofucking music.
Yeah, no.
This shit's happening, it's youknow, and it's terrifying.
And I would hate for anybody tofucking ever do that.
But when you watch it and yourealize, okay, this is not
(23:41):
based, but it is a true, youknow.
Right.
And of course they they do theirthing to it, but you know, which
makes it even worse, I think.
They probably add more to itthat they should have.
Yeah.
But that being said, it's stillyeah, but it's just the fact
that you feel like youautomatically realize, okay,
this is not this is not fake,this is real.
Yeah.
Where versus when we watch otherfour movies.
(24:02):
But now that when you look whenyou hear about Chainsaw Massacre
and Silence of the Lands andPsycho, you're like, you're
always gonna remember, oh shit,those came because of that
movie.
From this guy, right?
Everybody got it.
SPEAKER_00 (24:15):
Or influenced by whatever happened in this.
Yes.
It's crazy.
I'm telling you, man, you well,I mean, think about it.
It can't be that every so Ialways said, you know, like
Twilight Zone, when we look atthe old, the black and white
Twilight Zones, I always seenewer movies that came off of
some of those things.
Like I said, like the theAnnabelle and the Chuckies are
(24:38):
an episode of But that'sparanormal.
We're not talking about that.
Well, I'm just saying, like,just all of those ideas.
You know, it's like it's like mypoint was.
Oh, right.
Oh, I see what you're saying.
But then, like I said, and theywere like, ooh, like you said,
it was paranormal.
Like, oh shit.
The movies are based on thosetwo, the couple.
Right, yeah.
But it's it's you still don'ttake it as, I guess I don't want
(25:00):
to say as it doesn't have thesame impact as watching those
serial killer movies.
No, no, no, no.
You know what you get me?
Like it's still like you guys.
You would say I take that anyday over the yeah, twice on
fucking Sunday.
Because you know what I'msaying, bro?
You'd be like, Am I really gonnarun into the side?
I'm gonna go with this side.
I'm all right.
Like, you know, how am I reallygonna see that crazy killer
(25:21):
doll?
You know what I'm saying?
Like, am I gonna really have tolike am I gonna go to a yard
sale and buy that, you know,crazy looking doll and have him
in my attic or whatever?
You know, or is it?
SPEAKER_02 (25:32):
Pennywise in the sewer.
SPEAKER_00 (25:34):
But then, you know, you turn around and you're at
this your grocery store andyou're looking at a guy, and the
guy just happens to look at youjust a little bit, like he just
stared at you just a little bit.
But sometimes most of the timesthese people don't even know
what's happening.
Right.
But I'm just talking about howthe like our psyche, like it's
just that one, like, why is helooking at me?
Don't look at me, why is youlook at me?
You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01 (25:51):
Yeah, but I don't think most people know if those
perspective because I think thepeople who do that kind of crime
are so sophisticated in theirthe way they they the the way
they they have certain things,they do it a certain way.
You know, whether it's thoughtout or just part of their
personality or whatever, youknow, that's how they're driven.
You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_02 (26:11):
Oh jeez.
What's his name?
The one that dressed like theclown.
SPEAKER_01 (26:14):
Uh John Wayne Gacy.
John Wayne Gacy.
John Wayne Gacy.
That guy was wow.
SPEAKER_02 (26:21):
You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01 (26:22):
Like stuff like that.
Beyond belief because what hedid to these people, most of
them male, I think.
Most of them.
Yeah, people that worked forhim.
It wasn't good.
SPEAKER_00 (26:33):
And that's what I'm saying.
This is not good.
Just the idea.
Scary.
I mean, like I said, so rightnow it was Halloween.
People are running around andthey're wearing all the costumes
and whatnot.
Right, right.
You know, we had that hauntedwalk.
So now it's like, dude, likethat could have been anybody.
Snatch somebody up and pull theminto the woods.
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
At all the little haunted walksor whatever.
You never just gave somebody afucking idea.
(26:54):
Sorry.
You know, it's just no.
You know what I mean?
It's just it's little thingslike that.
Remember a handful of years ago,bro, that everybody was dressing
up as clowns and they were justlike coming out like from behind
a doorway, whatever.
Oh, yeah.
And it was scaring the shadowpeople and whatnot.
SPEAKER_02 (27:07):
They were doing those videos where the clown
would like smash someone's head.
SPEAKER_00 (27:10):
Yeah, like it was a watermelon and uh yeah, and that
kind of stuff.
So I mean, you know, think aboutit.
That that's those are thingsthat were based on something
real.
You know what I'm saying?
That that's what makes it evenscarier.
SPEAKER_01 (27:20):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (27:21):
And I guess I'm not saying the paranormal stuff
isn't isn't real.
That's not what I'm saying atall.
SPEAKER_01 (27:25):
It's just you I guess you should be thankful for
the fact that the person doesn'tnecessarily need to reference
anything, but be able to comeout of out of his own mind.
Yeah.
You're like, okay.
Yeah.
I don't want to No, I don't wantto be around this motherfucker.
Uh-huh.
No.
Yeah.
Because if he's doing it on hisown, then you worry.
(27:45):
But if he's borrowing it andhe's making his own story, like
the guy with the chainsawmassacre, you'll find out in the
movie how he goes about what hedoes and why he makes the movie.
Okay.
So there's more behind him thanthe reason why he does it.
So when he does it, he has it inhis mind and he has a certain
picture the way and now youunderstand why the movie was
made the way it was.
It'll be pretty cool when youguys watch it.
(28:06):
It's gonna be a tongue.
There's so much referencedthrough the movie and how it
steps through his life, youknow.
And how many people he actuallytook out.
Right.
You're like, wow.
Yeah.
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (28:21):
I think that's the manuscript.
Because I mean, you know, youwhy I've watched, you know, a
lot of the police shows and youhear the the you know, like the
just what they profile a lot ofthese killers are, you know, to
be.
And, you know, it always startsoff with something small.
You know, I'm like, you know,whether it's like peeping tom
stuff, or if it's uh uh uh youknow that they killed the bird
(28:42):
by accident and then they justgot hooked and they're killing
another animal or something likethat.
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (28:47):
And usually it's kids, like they like what's his
name used to do that.
He wasn't a serial killer, buthe was a mass murderer.
He but he was a hit.
No, Iceman.
Oh, Iceman.
SPEAKER_01 (28:57):
Oh, right.
Yeah, yeah.
That guy always when they didthe interviews with him, watch
those those interviews.
SPEAKER_00 (29:02):
Okay, so now let's go back a second.
Nothing.
SPEAKER_01 (29:06):
Piss me off, I kill you.
Yeah.
But what's the difference?
For him, it's it's no big deal.
SPEAKER_00 (29:10):
I you know, it's no sweat off my ass.
But what's the mass murderer andserial killer?
What would be the difference?
SPEAKER_01 (29:16):
No, well I think No, no, no.
No, I th I well excuse me, I'mnot disagreeing with you, but
I'm saying I was watching thisthe other night and they were
saying, because they talk aboutthis in the movie, where they
like the person who's in jailsays, Oh, now it's serial
killer.
So it seems, to at least the waythe way the movie played it, or
the series I should say, is thatthey came up with it later on.
(29:38):
So it was one thing, then it wasanother thing, and then it just
progressed during thegenerations, then it was called
something different.
SPEAKER_02 (29:45):
So like the difference between a mass murder
and someone that just kills alot of people.
Right, right.
But a serial killer does thesame thing.
A serial killer has like they atype.
Okay.
Like they they d or they or theyhave a specific way they kill
the person the same type or aspecific victim that's a kid.
They have like a serial, likeit's a vi like like a like a
like they have like a specific.
(30:06):
And there's a lot of them.
That's where like a massmurderer is like someone who
like at that concert that withthat guy that was in Vegas that
was killing everybody.
He's a mass murderer.
SPEAKER_00 (30:16):
Well you said the guy Iceman is is a mass
murderer.
Well, he was a hitman.
So he was a hitman.
Got it.
Got it.
It was work.
SPEAKER_01 (30:22):
It was the guy.
He was the perfect guy of work.
Yeah.
Because the guy he was apsychopath.
To him, it didn't face him.
SPEAKER_02 (30:31):
No emotion at all.
That's psych that's psychopathy.
That's that's psycho.
That's what a psychoal real sideis.
SPEAKER_01 (30:36):
And that's when I say I'm thankful for whatever
little bit I have.
SPEAKER_02 (30:39):
Yeah, but psychopath killer.
Not all psychopaths are badpeople.
Some psychopaths go into thingsthat high-risk jobs because
they're they don't have fear.
Right.
Like like like someone who's notlike a bad person, but as a
psychopath might be like a testpilot, you know, because it's a
dangerous job and they justdon't have fear because they can
(31:02):
just continue on as if nothingever happened.
Right.
Yeah.
And they get a lot of snowweight on their mind.
SPEAKER_01 (31:06):
They have other things, but they do have certain
things.
It's just a matter of findingwhat it is that sets them off.
So then you can, you know, thenyeah when that's a good thing.
But you know what's great thoughis that at least they're smart.
And so it is true that theyactually silence other lambs.
You'll find this out in themovie.
I mean the series, that theyactually do go talk to certain
(31:30):
individuals to find outinformation or how they can help
help them find that person thatthey look for who's actually out
there doing some just randomlykilling whoever we need to find
out.
Right.
You know?
And that's what's really coolabout it because when they go
and talk to the first one in themovie, because it's not him
(31:51):
first, they go to him second,believe it or not.
So but it's so funny.
When you watch it, you guys aregonna die left.
This guy had didn't even care,you know, he just talked about
himself and everything where agame was uh informational, he
would tell you exactly what hedid, why he did how, you know.
But it was off the hook bananas.
You know what I mean?
(32:12):
So and his temperament.
Now of course he was the actorin the mo in the series, I keep
saying movie.
In the series, he uh said, Ibelieve he came up with the idea
of the voice, because I don'tbelieve that was actually based
on his voice.
I think he came up with adifferent one.
That would be creepy.
I could be wrong.
But that's what that's what Iheard and actually read.
(32:34):
But you know, if it's wrong, mymistake.
But but that's interesting too,because it sounds like what an
actor would do.
Right.
You know, they would come upwith because listen, you gotta
make the movie good.
You want to make it interesting,you know.
Yeah, make it your own.
Right.
And you want people to go, whatthe fuck's that about?
Yeah, right, yeah.
Like, you know what, take a takeright, take a you're taking it
back.
Yeah, right.
You're taking it back like whatthe Yeah, why the hell are you
(32:56):
talking like that?
SPEAKER_00 (32:57):
And it is you gotta see it, because I'm telling you,
you see that shit.
SPEAKER_01 (32:59):
Wait, when you guys progress into the series, just
all I would ask you to do for meis you don't have to go into
detail.
Just whatever one word that ortwo that describes what is uh
the night that you watched ortwo that you watched, whatever
it is, and just say, just giveit to me and I'll know exactly
what you mean.
Hello, don't you?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Wait until you get wait.
(33:22):
It's like how can it get evenworse?
And it does.
And you're like, what in God'sname?
Yeah, yeah.
If there's even one.
You know, and then you thinkabout what happens to those
people who do that kind ofcrime, that kind of life.
You know, we talk about lifeafter death, right?
Not to bring that in, but thinkabout it.
So if we think about life afterdeath, they say people who
(33:44):
usually who will commit suicide,things of that nature, either
they will have most of the time,I think they have a negative
experience, but then a positive.
Right.
Like they go through a dark andthen whatever it is.
And then somehow a light appearsand you know So it's not not all
of them, but yeah, some go backeven while they were still in
the dark were broken.
SPEAKER_02 (34:04):
Dark time damnation.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (34:06):
But their dark is always different.
Because they say most peoplewhatever they were brought up on
is from what they can tell,they're all having the same
experience but in their own way,referencing whatever it was that
they grew up with.
So you say Roman Catholic.
Right.
Well, you guys Roman Catholic,both of you?
Uh Catholic, whatever.
Catholic, I I grew up.
I guess I'm not now.
I was brought up you know,Jewish, not ultra religious at
(34:28):
all, you know, conservative.
You know, we did the normalstuff, so yeah.
But it's crazy, right?
SPEAKER_03 (34:35):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (34:36):
Yeah.
Oh yeah, just a little bit.
Yeah.
I'm just saying.
Listen, all that shit is scary.
I mean, like we said before, youknow, you you I I almost feel
like for back then because we'retalking, you know, mostly about
Ed Gaines, you know, in the1940s, that you know, a lot of
us they would they will I'm I'mgonna say he was almost like
fresh out of out of uh cowboystuff.
(34:57):
You know what I mean?
Well he was wild west.
Where was he again?
What was the state?
Oh, Minnesota?
SPEAKER_01 (35:01):
Minnesota.
And he had that voice of a hemade he made it like a Minnesota
voice, but it was very subtleand no motion at all.
Right.
And it and it that was thecreepy part.
And even when he would look atyou, yeah, the way he had his
hair combed, the whole fuckingthing was disturbing.
SPEAKER_00 (35:17):
But that's what I'm saying.
Right?
SPEAKER_01 (35:18):
You're like, wow, this is good.
Whoever did this movie, and evenif they edit their own little
flare just to get it to berecorded, it's awesome because
it made you feel uneasy, bad.
SPEAKER_00 (35:28):
But that's what they looked like.
I mean, even if you look likethe Halloween costumes from back
in the 30s and 40s, then theywere fucking creepy looking,
bro.
Like a lot of that shit wasscarier than what we see now as
far as costumes are concerned.
Like it was just like the theburlap sack, you know what I'm
saying, with the eyes cut out alittle bit or something like
that, you know, just uh or orjust having just that paint that
plain, like super white face andand the pictures, the eyes are
(35:51):
all dark and sunken looking andstuff.
And these are the kids, youknow, they were wearing those
costumes.
I think I think just the thingsthat we see, what they found
normal was was just so it wasokay for them.
You know what I'm saying?
So like Ed Gaines, you know,like you said, he had his hair
combed a certain way.
They all wore the city.
Well, he was ridiculous aboutcertain things until his mother
(36:13):
died, though.
Right, until his mom died, butbecause she was the ultimate.
SPEAKER_01 (36:16):
Well, well, no, but I'm talking about as far as his
I don't wanna well let's justsay through the series you will
find that it will incre whwhatever it is he's doing isn't
gonna is gonna increase and ittakes over the he's not very
neat.
SPEAKER_00 (36:30):
Right, yeah, at all right.
I saw that too in that.
SPEAKER_01 (36:33):
So it's gonna be Because now he doesn't have his
mom there.
But yeah, but his mom is there.
He has the dead body in therocking chair and he talks to
her and he and he sees the lightgo on when he looks at the
house.
SPEAKER_00 (36:43):
I know that's what movie is that reference.
That cycle.
Right.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Right.
Yep.
Yep.
That's what I'm saying.
It's just, you know, all thatshit.
SPEAKER_02 (36:51):
I don't know, bro.
SPEAKER_00 (36:51):
You gotta see it.
Wait till you see the movie,bro.
SPEAKER_01 (36:53):
It's Get, I'm sorry, go ahead.
SPEAKER_02 (36:54):
No, no, no.
SPEAKER_01 (36:55):
I was saying No, I don't want to interrupt.
Just when it references when yousay I'm watching for me.
Not so Tanya liked the lot,Tanya was like, this movie
should be good.
She was glad she's finishedwatching it.
For me, same thing, absolutely.
But I was able to referencealmost everything in the movie
when I saw it.
I was like, okay, that would bethis, that would be that, that
would be this, that would belike I knew right away which
(37:16):
movie it would go to.
SPEAKER_02 (37:17):
I gotta I gotta I gotta I gotta continue watching.
I like I said I got caught upwith well uh It Welcome to
Deary.
So maybe we'll talk about it.
Yeah, yeah, so next.
So that that show is reallygood.
Is it?
It's uh it's it's like a becauseyou know the whole it it it it's
obviously from the new tourmovies, the two newer ones.
Right, yeah.
But it's like a prequel.
(37:37):
That's what I was gonna say.
So it takes place in the 60s,and you know, because he comes
every how many years?
27 years, is it something likethat?
So this is the previous timebefore the 80s or whatever one
he came from.
So they show him getting likebirthed, which is really weird.
So like what?
I'm gonna tell a little bit.
What was he getting?
(37:58):
You are, but I want to know whatI'm born.
So birthed, yeah.
So like listening.
B-I-R-T-H-E-L-C-I-C-I-D-J.
SPEAKER_01 (38:04):
So getting there so like how old is he?
Oh, when he was actually a baby.
SPEAKER_02 (38:08):
No, because he comes every 27 years.
So this is him coming.
This is spawning.
Got you, gotcha.
Uh so like so like there's likea kid and he's like, you know,
he's like a troubled kid.
He's in the movie theater and hegets kicked out of the movie
theater, he's hiding, and thenlike he's like hitchhiking, and
this family comes and picks himup, and they're all like your
typical like 19 late 50s, 60s,like the the dad has the glasses
(38:31):
with the horn rim, like hi, andit's got the kid in the
backyard.
And like they just seem likestation wagon, yeah, station
wagon.
They seem like this nice family,but things start getting weird,
and like the the kid's alwaysspelling everything, right?
And the girl, she like takeslike liver, puts her hands in
liver, puts it like puts it inthe kids, everything's starting
to get weird.
And like the dad's like, Oh, canyou spell kidnap K-I-D?
(38:55):
And like the kid and they'relike something shit's happening,
and the kid tries to take thesteering wheel and he bumps the
mom and she's pregnant.
She goes, Oh, someone looks likehe's wanting out too.
Oh, you t.
Oh, you.
And they're all chanting, oh,you t oh, and the the woman she
just gives birth, and it's thisfucking baby head with bat
wings, and it's being spoiled.
(39:18):
Wow, yeah, it's Pennyworth.
Pennywise, yeah.
Pennywise, I'm sorry.
Pennyworth.
Pennywise.
SPEAKER_00 (39:24):
That's that Pennyworth.
That's uh that's uh what's thename?
The Alfred Butler, Alfred,Alfred Pennyworth.
SPEAKER_02 (39:30):
No, yeah, yeah, it's real creepy.
And and the and the the Hollow,the scenes, like so.
Last night was.
Yeah, because every 27 years orwhatever, he he he gets spawned
in Deary or whatever.
So this time is in the 60s orwhatever, but he uh there's a
scene.
He's he's like, because youknow, Pennywise, I he's kind of
like Freddie Krueger.
(39:51):
He does the same shit, but notthrough dreams.
Like, and like there's a girl,she like lost her mom, like died
giving birth to her or whatever,and all of a sudden she sees her
mother, and like there's like anumbilical cord attached to her,
and the umbilical cord's tryingto pull her in, and it's like a
mouth on her stomach as it'slike pulling it into the and
then all of a sudden, like yousee like its eyes, the yellow
(40:13):
glowing eyes in the mouth.
Wow, it's like some nightmarefuel type.
So I it's real they're reallygood scenes.
SPEAKER_01 (40:21):
So let me ask you, so what do you it'd be
interesting to find out wherethe hell they got that reference
from?
What movie or what series orwhatever did they look at and
go, that's just pureimagination.
No, Stephen King.
That's kind of Stephen Kingish.
Yeah, it is.
Oh, it is Stephen King.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So Steven's out there.
No, so he's he's already outthere.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (40:42):
But I'm sure he's shining, and then that's like
the old time, I think.
SPEAKER_00 (40:47):
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (40:48):
We've talked about it a few episodes.
Agreed.
SPEAKER_00 (40:50):
Agreed, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, because a lot of thoseguys now that's the
psychological kind of you know,crazy horror because you have M.
Night Shyamalan, was it uh Peelis doing it now.
He's good at it.
His daughter's doing it too.
Uh M.
Night Shyamalan, I'm sorry.
M.
Night Shyamalan's daughter'sdoing the writing the movies
too, and she's super young.
I think she just I don't eventhink she's 21 yet.
(41:12):
And her shit is crazy.
You're like, what?
So, yeah, man.
But I gotta see that.
Yeah, it's gotta see that.
SPEAKER_02 (41:18):
And like I said, that could so that thing comes
out and it's like it's stillattached to the umbilical cord,
the the baby and the you know,the the it baby, and the thing's
flying around, and eventually itfucking just bursts out of the
glass and then it goes into thesewers.
Wow.
Okay.
But then you see it again, andthere and there's a scene when
it's but it's now a giant babyhead with wings, and it's just
(41:40):
eat people in baby head guts.
The little kids, he's killingthe little kids in the movie
theater.
It's it's you you gotta see it.
Yeah, I was like I said, this isa little spoiler alert, so I
spoiler it, everybody.
Yeah, whatever.
People get nervous.
So, but it's good.
It's uh even if I spoil it, it'sit you still want to see it.
Yeah, I'm gonna watch all thisweek's.
But the show itself is thestory's a little slow,
(42:00):
especially the first episode,because there's they gotta like
it.
Right, they just get it set up.
Even the second episode.
The scenes though are they'regood.
Yeah.
All right, cool.
Yeah, I'm gonna start watching.
Veradass.
SPEAKER_00 (42:14):
That's a cosmetic.
Yeah, that's very nice.
That's it.
Yeah, I'm gonna start I'm gonnafinish watching Monster, the Ed
Gang story.
Yeah, and then I'm gonna startwatching.
SPEAKER_01 (42:21):
That one starts off right off the bat.
Even after the first episode.
Yeah.
You're already like watching.
SPEAKER_00 (42:27):
What the, what the?
What the what the yeah?
What am I watching right now?
Dude, yeah, I can't wait.
I gotta finish watching those.
I'm not gonna be able to watchthem tonight.
SPEAKER_02 (42:34):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (42:34):
But I'll start watching them tomorrow.
We'll continue watching them alltomorrow.
Because I still have so muchother stuff I had to get caught
up on, you know, just to finish.
But man, yeah, this has been afun Halloween though, man.
This is a good October month forfor all the horror things that
we've you know covered.
Because, you know, we talk aboutit in random, like, you know,
just in general, people talkabout it in random, but for us
(42:55):
to sit and like we did the wholething, like the whole thing on
that shit, bro.
Yeah, we yeah, we were in it.
Absolutely.
We were in it, bro.
We were I like it.
Yeah, that was fun.
SPEAKER_02 (43:04):
Hope you guys are liking the uh cover photos I've
been putting up.
SPEAKER_01 (43:06):
Oh, yeah, those things are great, man.
I love them.
Yeah, it's the funniest.
SPEAKER_02 (43:12):
It's like ghost adventures all the time.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The adventures of uh C C and N JGuy.
Yeah, bro.
The adventures.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (43:19):
Because we got one more, right?
We're doing one J Guy forHalloween stuff.
Uh huh.
We have one more episode to doof Halloween stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (43:26):
Well, yeah, we're doing the day and we're done.
SPEAKER_02 (43:27):
But like we're just gonna be.
SPEAKER_00 (43:29):
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, yeah, all right, coolbeans.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (43:35):
Yeah, no.
Yeah, this is this was fun.
SPEAKER_00 (43:37):
This was fun.
SPEAKER_01 (43:38):
It's on actual the day of the death.
SPEAKER_00 (43:40):
Yeah.
You ever see that?
No.
Yeah.
I didn't even know that's amovie.
Yeah, Saturday the 14th is amovie.
I did not know that.
Yeah, it's a it's a it's a funnyhorror flick.
You know, well, it's like aspoof, but it's a spoof.
Yeah, yeah.
Cool.
But so with that, thank youeverybody for listening,
watching.
(44:00):
Like, follow, subscribe, allthat other good stuff.
Thank you for being here.
Love, peace, and hair grease.
Live long and prosper.
Stay spooky.
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