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Ever wondered why your perfectly behaved puppy suddenly develops behavioral issues? Or why your small dog barks aggressively while your friend's massive breed remains calm? The answers lie in understanding canine psychology, and our guest Nate "the Dog Man" breaks it all down with remarkable clarity.

Nate's journey into professional dog training began with a chance encounter in a park during high school, where he witnessed a trainer commanding perfect off-leash obedience. That moment sparked a passion that evolved into expertise working with the most challenging canine cases—aggressive, fearful, and dominant dogs that other trainers often avoid. His approach combines deep understanding of genetic predispositions with practical behavior modification techniques that transform troubled dogs into balanced companions.

Throughout our conversation, Nate reveals eye-opening insights about how we unintentionally create problems through humanizing our pets. "When you yell commands from behind your dog, you've literally become the barking dog in the relationship," he explains. Instead, he teaches owners to communicate in ways dogs naturally understand—through consistent boundaries, appropriate outlets for instinctual behaviors, and reward systems that make desired behaviors advantageous.

From solving food aggression by adding food rather than taking it away, to understanding why confidence-building matters more than correction, Nate's methods challenge conventional wisdom while delivering remarkable results. His fascinating breakdown of how dogs learn—comparing it to humans' willingness to endure discomfort for high-value rewards—offers a framework anyone can apply to transform their relationship with their pet.

Whether you're struggling with a specific behavioral issue or simply want to develop a deeper connection with your canine companion, this episode provides practical wisdom that will forever change how you interact with dogs. Subscribe to hear more conversations that blend entertainment with expertise that improves your daily life!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome to Calvin Crawford and the Jersey Guy
podcast.
Gentlemen, how are you Allright?
All right, we're doing great sowe got a special guest with us
tonight.
Yes, All right.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Nate the Dog man is here with us, nate the Dog man.
What, what, nate the Dog?

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Man.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Who.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
All right, How's it going?
Everyone Good.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
How are you, my friend?
I'm doing good.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Yeah, it's good.

Speaker 4 (00:22):
Awesome Good.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah, so I found out about Nate from a friend of ours
, mike Right, that we work with?

Speaker 4 (00:29):
Yeah, because he trained.
Mike's dog and still trains him, I believe.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Right, you still do work with Mike's dog?
Yeah, I still work with him.
Right yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Nice, excellent.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
And then Mike and I was like you know what?
That would probably be a goodpodcast to have this guy on.
So you know, and some tips forus as well.
You know, because, well, tomused to have a dog, so
unfortunately his dog passedaway, but I have three miniature
schnauzers that are the king ofbarking, so I got some work to
do on that.
But welcome sir.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
How are you?
Thank you for being here.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Thank you.
Thank you, You're welcome.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
Yes, cool beans.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, so tell us, how did you get started in all this
?

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Well, it started when I was in high school.
As far as, like my professionalcareer Right, I always had a
passion and love for dogs and Ihad well-behaved dogs growing up
.
And then so my 12th grade yearI was in the park DPU.
I grew up in Westchester.
I went to Pekill High School.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
And I was in the park playing basketball and I seen
this guy walking by with a dogand then with another dog, and
then another dog, and I was likewhat, what are you a dog walker
?
Yeah, and I was like, becauseif you are, like you know, I'm
looking for a job, like you know, can I get in?
And he was like I right, I waslike no way.
He was like, yeah, I'm a dogtrainer.

(01:44):
So I was like show me something.
And he had his dog with him.
And well enough, he had his dogoff-leash, trained, impressed
me, grabbed my attention, toldhis dog to sit.
Not only his dog sat, but hisdog was off-leash and around all
these distractions the dog wasengaged with him, right, and it

(02:06):
was a beautiful picture to watch, right?
And so at that time my schoolhad an apprenticeship called pie
, so I can like find somewhereto go and like do like some, you
know work study program.
So I asked him.
He took me on, and then that'swhen my journey began been
training dogs ever since get outof here, bro, that's insane, no
, seriously.
So like yeah, in high school Igot to leave half the day and go

(02:27):
train dogs.
I only had to be there for liketwo hours.
What Right Nice?
It was like 8 pm.
He's like Nate, you got to gohome.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
You didn't want to go home.
Yeah, you found your niche.
That's what's great, man.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
No, it was.
They did like a school tocareers type thing, Because when
I went to a vocational school,so I did the same thing I used
to go for culinary and like weused to do a school to careers
type thing where we'd like I getto leave halfway through the
day and go to like work at likea restaurant or whatever.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
So same deal, exactly Same exact thing.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
And the thing, the beauty about this is that he
actually lived right around thecorner from me.
Oh, that's why you didn't wantto go home, bro.
It was like walking distance,right?
Yeah, like literally.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
And it was awesome and it taught me so much and
when it came to being in schooland like just handling myself
with other people and about myapproach and stuff like that
reading people's body languageand kind of like you know things
like that and it kind of likegave me an advantage Right To

(03:27):
have things go a little bit morein my favor, right.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
Right, right yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
So it even helped understood.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
You're able to apply those skills, Stephen, with the
people as well.
That's awesome.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
So it was a wonderful skill to learn.
So it's a wonderful trait, um,to have.
Right, because not only I canwork with dogs, but it's just
animals in general.
Right, when it comes to operantconditioning, classical
conditioning they have all thisscientific terminology that
would make it seem very complex,but we're actually applying
this stuff every day of our life.

(04:00):
Right, right, yeah, right.
So then when I finally read thebook, I was able to understand
what I was doing.
Right, and it started to makesense.
Right, oh, that's what thatmeans.
And then it started taking offeven more.
Right, right, okay very cool soyeah, no, uh, it's really cool.
So I specialize inover-aggressive, fearful,
skittish and dominant dogs.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Okay, right, so it's like the hard stuff yeah, yeah,
yeah definitely bro, which isyou know what a lot of people
have, unfortunately, because Ithink we're usually the culprit
of the reason why some of thedogs do what they do right, like
as far as behaviors and things.
Like you know, we get a dog andwe love him up and we do all
these crazy things, but it'sreally not.

(04:42):
We're not helping the animal bydoing what we're doing in the
sense of them being who they,you know who they truly are as
far as following their, theirskills, as far as you know
nature is concerned.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
We can teach bad habits.
We can reinforce bad habitslike barking and anxiety and
stuff like that, right, you know.
But there are also things that,when it comes to genetics,
right, that also play the makeupof the dog also as well.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yeah, like certain breeds are known to have certain
behaviors, like I know, like Idon't know if it's true, but I
noticed it with the smallerbreeds is sometimes it could be
a little more aggressive.
Like I know, like you wouldthink, like a small Chihuahua is
like the sweet adorable dog.
But a lot of the times I'veseen Chihuahuas and they're like
they could be super nasty, butthat's again.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
that's based on how the owner is.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
But is that the breed , or is that not necessary?

Speaker 3 (05:32):
There's so many avenues, I can go with this.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
I just did a little episode with Inside Edition and
I'm breaking into the house asthe owners are putting the food
down, right, wow.
And so they put the food down.
I come in, I startle them andthe dog and whatnot.
We want to see the reaction ofthe dog, right?
Actually, this was going off onInstagram Like they was doing a
bunch of videos, so they pickedit up.
The little dog is the one thatactually came to me and

(05:56):
confronted me.
Yeah, right, and tried that andbacking me off, but they, but
they're not really there to dothat Right.
The bigger dogs, the massivebreed like the more molossals or
the muscle.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
Right.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
But they're too confident to get up to go check
what was going on.
What the little dogs are moreyapper and start bringing all
the commotion to get the big guyto go up.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Gotcha Right Like a new foundling right Right.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
They're like so slow, they preserve a lot more of
their energy Cause when it comestime to fight, you know, or
protect, or defend, that's whereall the energy goes, yeah, and
so they're a flock guardian.
So it's like you know, if youcome and you step within that
border, then they defend.
If you run away and leave,they're not going to go and
chase, yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
They'll chase.
Yeah, they're just barking.
You see what I'm saying.
But then how do they know thedifference?
Because if you came into thehouse and they didn't like
confront you to stop you fromyou know grabbing on their owner
, when and or how would theyknow to to now be protective?

Speaker 3 (06:56):
well, if I understand your question, right, right, so
now, sorry, you're good when wego to the breeze, and that's
what this, that's what also this, uh, the show was about.
Okay, see what your dog wasgoing to do, because you know,
to the untrained eye, a lot oftimes people think when these
dogs are barking, that they'regoing to protect them.
Okay, it's a false sense ofsecurity.
Fair enough.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
Okay, Right right, that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Right right it's more of a defense mechanism.
Oh, okay, right, so you know atrue predator is not going get
her prey away.
Right, that's true, you'reright.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
They're just going to get her Exactly, yeah, like
bing.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
So you see what I'm saying.
Yeah, so now in personalprotection.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
We condition the dog to bark, so through frustration
will equal aggression.
Okay, so if I have the toy, sonow I am manipulating again and
then having the dog bepossessive over this toy and
demanding it, got it, got it.
You see what I'm saying, right?
And then I even give them.
I was trying to get it tostrike and then to miss.

(07:51):
Yeah, and to strike and then tomiss.
And then now I have to read thebody language and then when I
see right, when it's at its peakboom, that's when I reward Okay
, right, because I want to getthem at his highest, right,
right, and things like that.
So again, it's the power ofmanipulation, things like that
when it comes into training thedog.
But when it comes into geneticsand stuff like that, that's

(08:12):
their makeup.
So back in the day, when we hadmore farms, dogs were bred for
purpose, even the small dogs.
They were ratters, ratters,yeah Right, like turkeys and
stuff like that those littleterriers, yeah, they like us and
they naturally do that.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
They naturally love to chase small things my three
guys are routers.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
The miniature chenilles are routers and those
guys when they see the squirrelsand the chipmunks in the yard,
man, they lose their shit.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
So yeah so they start running after it like I don't
know why I'm doing this, this,but I have to do this.
And boom, boom, right, that'sgenetics.
Okay.
So for that dog and that client, right, I satisfy that dog's
restless spirit, right, soinstead of saying no, you can't
chase this, I provide the, yes,I provide the outlet.
Okay, that gives them the samegenetic makeup chase, capture,

(09:00):
grab.
So a lot of people are thinkingthat this tug game is, it
teaches aggression.
No, it's actually an outlet.
Okay, right, because chase,capture, and I can teach dog to
bite and then give him thereward, the fight he looks for,
right, and then I teach give tome to give back to you, right,
give to me to give back to you.
And then I teach my impulseright, sit now, chase back to

(09:28):
you, and then I teach my impulseright, sit now, chase, oh, sit,
do not add combos.
Sit down now, chase, give to meto give back to you.
So now I'm working mentally andphysically.
Right, that's going to equalexhaustion, okay, so that's
where these dogs they have somuch drive.
Right, because they want to godo something and through boredom
you learn what not to do.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
Right, Right, yeah exactly that makes perfect sense
.
It does, it does.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
But you know when you're an owner right and
somebody gets a dog, they're notthinking this.
You know that some people doand get their dogs trained but
then some people don't Like.
But then some people don't Like.
When I got my dogs we took themfor training.
I don't know if you know Chrisfrom PetSmart.
He used to do the training overthere in Middletown.
I'm not familiar with him, buthe was a really good trainer.
We'd go and he'd have thecorral, he'd have that area

(10:14):
where everybody would go in whenthey're first puppies and
they'd just, you know, sit down,you know, to help with the
barking and all that other stuffand be around other dogs while
you're doing the training,because they were all young.
That's always the beginning, andthen you go to the next step.
So we got some of that stuffdown.
They're good at that, my guys.
The issue is the barking, youknow, and what you were

(10:34):
mentioning too is the routerthing.
So that's probably somethingthat they probably need to work
on too, because they're probablynot getting it the way they
should.
Satisfied the satisfaction.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Satisfaction that they absolutely need.
They need an outlet.
Most clients of mine that arenew time dog owners are under
this conception that the dogscome genetically programmed to
understand what sit down comeand in yeah, that's not it.
We have to condition thesethings, right, right.
And then we use them as toolslater in training, right, yeah,

(11:05):
in training, right, yeah, okay,right, that's the bigger picture
, right, you know?
And then also I teach the leash.
Most people put the leash onjust to go for a walk and then
they're behind their dog yellingget off the couch or don't do
this, stop doing that.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
They literally turn into the dog behind them,
barking Right them barking Rah,rah, rah, rah, rah, rah.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Oh, okay that makes sense, that's hilarious, bro.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
Never thought about that, that's true, never thought
about it.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah, it's all day.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
I didn't even think of that.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
Yeah, that is fantastic.
Yeah, you're literally barkingat the dog At the dog.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, holy shit Except you're using words, but
they don't you know like to them.
You're barking at them.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah, hence why I say I speak dog yeah man, yeah, man
, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
So that's great yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
It's a lot of fun stuff.
Yeah, and dog training is notrocket science.
Okay, right, it's really not.
And here we go again withnegative reinforcement.
Oh, I don't use negativereinforcement Right
Reinforcement, right, negativebecause they associate it with
punishment and correction.
Right, okay.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
But you cannot.
Yeah, it's like the humanizing,you know.
It's like, oh, we don't want todo that to a person, but, like
dogs are different, theyunderstand.
So all my exercises.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
I role play with the human Right, so I will walk you
around on the leash and get youused to what I'm going to do to
you, to your dog, so that you'recomfortable doing it, because,
again, they don't want to hurtthe dog, right.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
Right.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
The dog already has 10 to 15 times higher threshold
for the pain.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
Than us.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yeah, oh, you see, people don't think about that
because, like they compare it toourselves.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah, that was what you were saying earlier about
the humanizing the dog and wehelping them.
We're hurting them by doingthat.
Yeah, because we compare it toourselves.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
We're like oh, but you know, if I, you know, give
us a tiny, you know pinch orsomething like that, he's gonna,
you know it's gonna upset him,but like it doesn't, you know,
yeah, so now.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
The advantage is understanding dog culture and
that they gradually escalateright.
So it's a light growl, deepergrowl a show of teeth, a snap
and a bite okay that's normal,and humanizing is oh, my dog
growled at me.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
How dare light growl deeper growl?

Speaker 3 (13:04):
a show of teeth, a snap and a bite.
That's normal and humanizing isoh, my dog growled at me.
How dare you growl at me?

Speaker 4 (13:09):
I fed you, I walk you , I play with you and give you
treats.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
And then what they do they snatch and they grab, and
then next time they do it, thenthe dog even growls a little bit
deeper this time, and then goesto bite them.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
I get you Right, yeah .

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Right, or the next time the dog skips steps goes
straight to the bite Right,right, right.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Or it doesn't even growl, just boom, bite Right.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
That's when they start skipping steps, because
now the dog is going to correctyou for trying to correct them,
because he can anticipate whatyou're getting ready to do.
Right, but just as eitherlearning how to teach the dog in
the beginning to trade foreither equal or higher value
Okay, because it's not a part oftheir culture, right.
So now you take wolves, theircousins, right, and understand
where this dominance andsubmission comes from.

(13:53):
Right, because they actuallyhunt in a pack.
Right, so they can't afford tohurt each other.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
But there is one who leads, the only time, wolves
will kill each other.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
As far as the leading , the leading, yeah, one will
lead, yeah, but even like now,they think that the leader's in
front.
They're usually in the back.
He is in the back, right infront of the woods.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's watching the pack in front
of him.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
Yeah, he has other.
He got soldiers.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
Yeah right, soldiers, yeah right.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
So you know, so, yeah , so that that growling is
actually letting you know thatI'm unsure, I'm uncomfortable.
Back off, right, Go back andreassess your situation, right,
and because now you have claimedand unclaimed possessions,
right, right, so you know, theseare just like simple rules,

(14:59):
right?
That same picture and this iswhat I like to do is like flip
their mind, okay, right, and Iput an empty food bowl down.
They dive into it with heartand soul thinking something's in
there, and they pop back likewhat Nothing's there, where is
it?
Yeah, yes, I'll approach thefood, I'll go into my pocket and
pour a little bit out.

(15:20):
I stand back just far enough towhere I can watch him eat, and
as he gets almost done, I'llapproach and I'll add more.
So now I'm adding.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
So he sees you as someone who's providing food for
him.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yes, so later I can help change that dog's
perception, with the kidsrunning in and out Rather than
growling or protecting the dishNow, when he sees a hand in.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
He assumes more food.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah, but the first body language that I look for is
when they approach.
You start seeing softer bodylanguage, nice Versus stiff,
intense, right, because, thinkabout it, it's the same thing
with me and my mom, right, sheused to eat off my plate until a
certain age, right?

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Right.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
Yeah, right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Right, she raised me and my brother Right, and so you
know we go out.
She'll, you know, make a littleplace here and there, and then
we get older and we get a littlebit bigger and I'm like there's
none.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
Right right, right right, A piece of mine, yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
Right, right, yeah, it's true.
It's true, right, very true.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
So there's not good.
So is it not good for them tobe taken away from the mom early
of the way you know?
Because puppies are born andthey're usually what?
What's the earliest that youcan take a puppy?

Speaker 3 (16:37):
By rule of thumb, we're like on that eight weeks
Right.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
I think that's what my guys were when we got them.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
We went to Tennessee and got them and, as you see
more today you're hearingyounger and younger and that dog
doesn't get to understand itsculture, gotcha.
So now when it's playing withother dogs other dogs are
getting overwhelmed and doesn'tunderstand when it's correcting
I'm telling them to knock it off, they're still playing like
it's a joke, Right, right.
You know I can go into so manydifferent fields with this, but

(17:04):
yeah, but it's important when itcomes to dog culture for them
to understand their culture andthat right there they get from
like up to about age eight weeks, because you know, mom might
have to look at, just stare atthis one.
He's like, okay, I'm not goingto do nothing, right, this one
needs a little bit of a growl.
Right, that one needs a snap,that one needed a little knock
it off, right.

(17:24):
And they learn that Right,right From their mom and then
amongst each other too.
Ok, you know things like that.
And another thing, that too,about a puppy selection when it
comes to the genetics, right.
So I have clients come to meand they want to serve this dog,
a therapy dog, and they want togo and select a dog and let's
say the litter is five, five,inside the litter you have three

(17:48):
of them that are up front.
Hey, pick me, pick me, pick me.
You got the two little cuteones in back already shy, and
stuff like that.
Those two already in back arelacking confidence, right, okay,
so those are the dogs that youcan do everything right,
socialize them, do all thisother kind of stuff.
But then they come to a certainage and then you start seeing
to be able to approach theirfears and other things start

(18:11):
stemming out.
But I'm able to tell it fromright there, from very young,
because that puppy is supposedto be fearless, supposed to be
wanting to approach and conquerand explore.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
Okay, that makes sense.
So it's better for a therapydog to get the ones that are
quiet.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
No, oh no, make me sure, because it's lacking
confidence.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Okay, right.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
You want the ones that aren't lacking the
confidence.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Yes, okay, make you sure.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
But, those, I'm assuming, then those would need
more work.
Yeah, to get their confidenceis concerned.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
Yeah, so like you know again, like you know, we
get these dogs unexpectedly andthey get into the house.
They will form a really goodrelationship with you and stuff
like that can come through yourhouse.
I'm not saying it's written instone, but the percentage of
that happening with that type ofdog from that litter right.
Right, I have seen that kind oflike been more of the storyline
.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
Okay.
You know, Okay, the storyline,okay, you know, okay, I get that
all right now, something yousaid before with the bowls.
So I've heard people that Iknow that have dogs and they'll,
when they go to, they'll feedthe dog and then they'll put
their hand in and take some ofthe food out.
Is that a?
I'm gonna say, is that ahealthy practice?
You know, when they'rethemselves are trying to, like

(19:22):
you said, because you knowyou're the expert, so you do all
these things.
You, you know somebody who'slike I could do this shit by
myself.
You know, is that like theright approach If you do it
early?

Speaker 3 (19:30):
enough time and you're not really taking the
food, and the dog's comfortablewith you.
You're going to see the dog'sgoing to be all right.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
Okay.
But like say, that's an adultdog, yeah he's like, yeah, he's
like, bro, you don't want to dothat my system would be a little
more safer.
Right, okay.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
And then with that, you know, I'll be able to add
food and then, while the dog'seating, still have my food there
.
It won't be as a threat,because I'm adding.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
Okay, right.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
And that system, too, also helps dogs that already
have made the mistake, alreadyhad that behavior of behaving
that way and I want to changetheir perception that, right,
there is like what one way Iwill start introducing feeding
the dog.
Okay, I heard of another method.
I remember hearing it years ago.
They said to, if you have apuppy, like they say when you're

(20:16):
feeding them, to hold the bowlwhile they eat.
So they're used to you holdingthe bowl and your hands around
their food is that anothermethod or you don't think that
is effective.
Is that a right approach?
Everything?

Speaker 3 (20:28):
is.
I'm not going to say it's rightor wrong, but everything is the
power of association.
So once a dog startsassociating that as a young age,
then it's more of a way of life.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
So it won't be brain.
So as he gets older and you,end up doing that.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
It won't be like the first time.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
So it's not right or wrong right, but it's a
different, just a different.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
It's a way of associating.
And now still again, sameconcept letting the dog know
that you're not in threat forits food.
Yeah, right, and the dog'sstill comfortable eating.
And the dog still gets to eat,stuff like that.
Everybody's still comfortablebecause that energy is there,
right, right and stuff like that.
So again, it's not bad or goodunless something bad happens or
a dog has a bad experience,right, yeah, in that situation.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Someone pulls right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like what?

Speaker 3 (21:11):
what the heck man yeah yeah, yeah, but you know,
so that's and that, and that'sbasically what like dog training
is at a young age is just likebeing able to go out and having
a good experience right rightyou know and and, and, and, even
if dog doesn't have a goodexperience humanizing, sometimes
we try to call the dog and say,oh, it's okay, yeah, right, and

(21:34):
at that moment we can behurting the dog because now we
reassuring the insecurity, right, right right, right, got.
It makes sense, yeah right yeah,so you know analogy that I like
to tell people when it comes tolike building confidence and
being able to have them figurethings out on their own Cause I
grew up watching nationalgeographics, so it's just like I

(21:55):
just love nature.
My mom got me like trials oflife and stuff.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
So I'll sit there and I'll watch these things over
and over again.
And there's this one episodewhere there's a mama bear
walking in the woods with hertwo cubs and she crosses a
string and one of the cubs goesin the water and crosses it with
no problem and the other cub issitting there calling out for
his mom, and mom just continuesto slowly walk away.

(22:21):
Right, right, brother, thelittle brother's with mom, you
know.
And the puppy starts.
The little cub gets even moreanxious.
Right, there's nobody there topush him in.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Right, right Right.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
And he realizes that each step that mom takes
decreases my chances of survival.
Okay, got it.
And he has to face his fear.
Okay, and he jumps in Right.
Okay, and he jumps in Right andhe makes it across.
Okay, and what does he do?
He celebrates.
He jumps on his brother's back,right, right, he jumps on his
mom's legs.

(22:52):
So, through that stressfulmoment, right when he gets to
the other side, he hasgratification, he has
celebration, he's uplifted rightaway.
Yeah, right, he gets to anotherstream.
Right, might have a little bitof an issue by his third or
fourth.
You never knew he had a problemto begin with.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Right, and they all have, with all animals and with
dogs.
They all have their ownpersonality, absolutely Right,
their own personality,describing what you just said.
I was watching a thing onsocial media with ducklings and
it was a little pack of them.
Mom was already in the water.
She jumped down it was like alittle waterfall into, like a
lake or whatever it was, and shewent in.
She went, boom, and the otherones started to follow.

(23:32):
Some just went automaticallyand they were the last one you
could see didn't want to go,didn't?

Speaker 4 (23:39):
want to go, didn't?

Speaker 2 (23:39):
go and everybody's watching what you can hear,
everybody you know, becausethey're on the sideline, you
know.
And then all of a sudden, yeahthe thing just jumps she was
down there and you know all hissiblings were down there waiting
.
They didn't go nowhere.
You know they were in the wateralready but he had to go it's
not like she can go back upthere and get them.
But it was so cool to see hownature works.

(24:00):
You know like uh see the do ordie.
If I don't go, I'm to be stuckhere.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Yeah, it was awesome.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Right, it is yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Yeah, and I just had to have it with my son going
down the slide.
Right Going down the slide Ihad to put him on my lap Right,
then I'm trying to sit him infront of me Right, so he has
that security going down.
I'm breaking away.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
He's like no, no no, so I finally broke away and he
went down on his own and he gotoff.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
He was excited.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yeah, he's like what I'm a big boy now, yeah, and now
he wants to do it by himself.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
Yeah, that is awesome man, that is so cool.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
I got a question, it might be controversial, I don't
know, but what do you thinkabout people who have like these
dogs and they got them inpurses with their heads sticking
?

Speaker 4 (24:45):
out of purses.
Is that like bad?
That can't be.
I would think that can't begood psychologically for the dog
.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
They seem like they're comfortable, but maybe
they're just like desensitized.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
It's association you know the dog finds the advantage
of being in there.
Yep, right.
So you know, why does the dogdo?
It's a million dollar question,right?
Dog does to gain its ownadvantage, to get good feelings
and to escape bad feelings,right, and so the dog's
conditioned to being there froma young age or kind of like.
You know, this is our routine,this is our way of life yeah

(25:18):
right, it gets conditioned right, got it, got it.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
Yeah, that makes sense.
That's just crazy, I know, Isee that shit.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
I'm like, oh my god like, and like it looks like a,
like a, like a bag you take tothe beach yeah, something like
that.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
Have you seen the ones in the stroller?

Speaker 2 (25:32):
they have the puppies in the stores and stuff like
that.
I'm like, yeah, yeah, no, I Ithink that's ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
Well, I'm guilty as charged in that, but we had she
had joint issues no, no, no, I'mtalking about no, I'm talking
about like, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, doesn't
have issues and it's not yeah,yeah, yeah, we said oh yeah, I'm
in the business right so it'slike I'm not a fan.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
So if I have clients that have that, that's not going
to really bother me, or?
Anything like that okay the dogcan walk right.
So if I go into a house and youhave like weeby pads and stuff
like that, the dog can gooutside right right because all
you're doing is getting the dogused to going inside now you're
gonna tell the dog that now Iwant you to go outside, right?
you know things like that, right?

(26:11):
So then, so, with that, if youhad these small dogs and like we
have service dogs now, and thatdog is able to indicate to me
that, hey, my blood sugar isgoing up, hey, you gotta take
your insulin because yourdiabetes is, you know, going on,
then I'm like all right, cool,yeah, put that thing in a person
.

Speaker 4 (26:28):
Yeah, yeah yeah, exactly, let's go rock out,
right, right, right.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
I see what you're saying, so to me that would be
like a better picture, but justto be in Walmart with your dog
and kind of like stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Yeah.
Just because you want to studdedpurse or something like that.
You know, you know you weresaying something earlier about
the dish.
I remember when Jeter, we werehaving an issue with him, he was
being aggressive with his foodRight and, chris, when he was
teaching us, he was like so whatI want you to do?
He said, put his dish down andI want you to put his leash.
And you know, have him on theleash in the house.

(27:00):
All right, as soon as you walkhim over to the dish and he
starts to growl, bring him back.
And then, when he starts to go,when he gets to the point when
he realizes that growling is notwhere he, he's not going to get
the dish Right.
Once he didn't do that and Iwas able to walk him over to the
dish without him growling and Icould stand there with him
without him growling, that I wasthere, then he could have the

(27:21):
he can, he can have the food andeverything.
It was more of like a trainingthing.
Because if you walk, near him hewould growl.
My other two don't do that.
So now I can walk around, I canbang into him and I purposely
do it sometimes, just so that Iwant to make sure he's still
good with that.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
So I'll just kind of rub into him and just not hurt
him right, Just to kind of nudgehim or whatever, and he's just
eating, no problem.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
He to kind of nudge him or whatever and he's just
eating, no problem.
He doesn't growl, he doesn'tgive you know, he doesn't get
aggressive about it anyway.
And that was the way chrisapproached it with us, the way
to do it and with him.
He noticed when we brought himover to him now he had us.
He's like just let him go.
He said we had him in theharness.
She's like, let him go.
He's very high energy wherehe's very aware of everything,
because this dog he needstraining, he wants the training
is what he was saying to me.

(28:09):
He was like, but he wants youto tell him sit down, come,
because it was good for him,because he was so active and he
was like there's nothing wrongwith him, you just need to be
doing applying more of thesethings with him so he will
respond better.
Is that something that?

Speaker 3 (28:25):
absolutely.
Yeah, the dogs are looking foroutlets.
The dogs are not couch potatoes, right?
The dogs want something to do,and so once they have that
outlet rather is chase, capture,grab a little little, throwing
the ball or something you know.
Then you add some combos ofjust equations right Sit equals

(28:49):
me throwing the ball.
Then the dog is going to be waymore likely to start sitting
more than me to throw the ballRight, yep, and then
anticipation is the first signof learning, right?
So the dog is going to beanticipating and then offering,
hoping to get its reward becauseit's to its advantage,
especially when he made thisconnection, right.
So that's what I say, like thepair of dogs, like Bluetooth,

(29:11):
right.
So, just like how you mentioned, getting another way, it's a
different equation.
There's more than one way toget to the equation.
Eight Most common people usefour plus four, right, but
there's six plus two, seven plusone, five plus three, right.
So there's times that when adog comes, the dog's unsure.
It comes to my farm and it'slike looking, it's all
overwhelmed.
I'm offering the treats.

(29:31):
He's like no, I don't want thetreats right now, right?
Oh my God, if that was my onlything that I had to rely on,
then what Is my session over,right?
No?
Right, I can keep going Right,because I know that once the dog
starts getting comfortable,it's more than likely to start
eating.
Or if not, I'll have mom jump inand our dad, okay.

(29:52):
And then the dog starts havingfun.
Then the dog is comfortable andthen I already have seen
transitions, and that's whatthis is like all about Knowing
how to read dog and finding outsomething that the dog values
Okay, right.
And then being able to use thatto my advantage Right.
And then use it as a reward.
So one of the first things Iteach a dog is negative
reinforcement Right.

(30:13):
And with that it's like if Iwas standing behind you in line,
if I tapped on your shoulder,what are you going to do?
I'm going to turn around, right, and I say, hey, how's it going
?
I want you to have a good day.
Here's a million dollars.
How would you feel?

Speaker 2 (30:28):
excited pretty hot happy as fuck.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
See what I'm saying yeah, I teach you to love that
tap right right okay, and thenif you're distracted and you get
hit a little bit harder, you'regonna turn around.
Still, what's passion?
Right gotcha you see what I'msaying, right, okay so I built
that tap to come get money.
Tap to come get money.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
And then later I use your name.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
And then the tap, then you get money.
Then that's classicalconditioning, got it Ah?

Speaker 4 (30:54):
See, I love it, man, Because it's just like a and.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
I think we make it more complicated.
You know when we try to do itourselves.
You know what I mean and it tryto do it ourselves.
You know what I mean and it'sreally not that hard, and that's
why you should go to theprofessional like you.
So who could?
Because we're also gettingtrained as well, right?

Speaker 3 (31:10):
oh, that's.
That's the thing, though.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
I train you guys right, I can do it.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
I know how to do it yeah, and I make it look really
easy and I make the connectionwith the dog and the dog's like
oh, is you really smart?
Just like no, we have thisconnection because my timing
yeah consistent and I have themotivation, yeah, right so now I
gotta pair you up with thatright, right and stuff.
But then you guys turn aroundand see the behavior a couple of
times and thinking the dog isgreat.

Speaker 4 (31:33):
And then you start bluffing and then not paying and
the dog says oh he's not payingyeah right and then he's not
yeah, I'm not working, no moreyeah, right because there's
there's still other levels thatwe have to complete.
Right.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Right, we have the dog to fully understand the full
exercise.
Most people get say to tell thedog to sit and then when the
dog sits he gets to treat.
The dog gets up, it's the endof the exercise.
Like no, I teach a releasecommand, so it's a built-in stay
, right.
So then, later I do littlebooby traps.
I might go right.
The dog gets up.
I'll teach him to ignore thatand then wait for the free, got

(32:06):
it.
You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (32:08):
Yeah so.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
I start leveling up.
So when I'm in public I tell mydog to sit.
Somebody say, oh, your dog issuch a good boy.
My dog will still get happy,but still be sitting there,
right, he won't move.
Because I condition him toignore that Right and Right and
wait for the free.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
There you go.
Now, how long did it take youto recondition the human to be
able to do that with theirpuppies or their dogs?

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Every human and every dog.
Yeah, they're on their ownlevels.
Man, really, I get people thatcome in and they're pretty
coordinated and stuff like thatand they can rock out, Right.
And then I gather people thatyou know take a little more time
, need a little more practice,right, you know.
So you know everybody is thesame thing with the dog.
I get dogs that will come in,be comfortable in the
environment, go right after thetug stuff like that, drive right

(32:56):
into it and it's worth thecorrection.
Okay, dog, that means that ifnow there's a truck outside and
I said there's a billion dollarsin there, if you can get it,
you can have it.
Are you in?

Speaker 4 (33:10):
Hell, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Right.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
So now I got your attention.
If I put lava on the ground,are you going to run over it?

Speaker 4 (33:18):
No, run over it.
For a billion, for a billion,for a billion dollars, I can get
a prosthetic.
Then, yeah, you see what I'msaying, right, right, yeah, yeah
, I could put glass on it.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
Yeah right right for me.
You're not stopping me, unlessyou put a harness on me right,
okay, because I'm gonna berunning my fastest and I'm gonna
blow through this, right, okay,right, because if it's not
gonna kill me, I'm, I'm goingfor it.
Okay, a billion dollars, right,fair enough.
Think about this.
Yep, right, if I set this upfor you right now and that
money's in there and they sayhey, if you can get it, you can
have it.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yep, you're going to figure out a way to do it, right
.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Don't you go.
Yes, I'm in.
Yes, okay, my finances is likenowhere near there, exactly,
exactly.
Yeah right, I'm over, right, soyeah.
So with that, if you put aharness on me, that's the only

(34:09):
way you're gonna stop me.
And then, not only that, Imight try again.
Yeah right, so then if I giveup and then whoever's running
the show turns around and givesme like a half a bill for just
trying, I'll look at you like,wait, I just went through all
that pain and suffering.
Avoid that.

(34:29):
I could have avoided all that.

Speaker 4 (34:31):
Oh, and just sat here and got a half.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
Yeah, so then tomorrow I'll bring you and I'll
ask you the same question,right and now you get to make a
choice.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
Yeah, what are you?

Speaker 3 (34:38):
doing?
You going to go through allthis pain and suffering, or are
you going to sit here and takethis half?

Speaker 4 (34:42):
Right, you're not entitled.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
I provide Right ecology.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what Igot I gotta capture you.
So now, if I bring dog out,right depends on this levels,
right, and if you know so, Iwant the dog to be engaged.
Like there's nothing, like allI have eyes is for you, yep,

(35:04):
right, I want to be connected.
So I condition my dog to acceptwhat I offer.
So I make the dog work forkibble I make them work for as
essential food, right for whatyou need to survive.
Yep, because if you blow me offand probably like looking and
chasing up that bird's moreimportant, I'm gonna take that
portion out gotcha and give youanother opportunity tomorrow.
Yep, right.

(35:25):
And then later, now I got youworking for your food, so that
now, when I offer that hot dog,I just have more value.
So now I more value.
So now I got my 50 bucks, now Igot my 100 bucks.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
I see.
I see what you're saying yeah,that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
You're up the ante for them.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Yeah, it's because I don't want to stay boring.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Right, Otherwise they're not going to get it or
they're going to continue to goafter it.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
So science says a predictable reward system is
boring.
An unpredictable reward systemis fun Right.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
That makes sense.
Yeah, all day long, yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Okay, so now, if it's predictable, you know it.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
So now, how much harder is it for you to train,
say, a rescue, you know like?
Is it that much harder becauseyou don't know their background,
as opposed to a puppy?
That it's, you know, like newlearning.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
Let's say for me not so much.

Speaker 4 (36:20):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
Because you know I'm in tune with the dog, right?
I find out very quick about thedogs.
Don't lie when it comes totheir biology, right?
So you're not going to like youknow, you know fib about how
they feel.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Because they could have.
They could have, they couldhave come from an abusive home
right, or they could have beenabandoned somewhere and somebody
picked them up and then theywent to.
You know, like there's otherthings incorporated, there's
times.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
Look, I went into a house that I was getting ready
to knock on the door and I heardso much yelling and screaming
inside that house that I wasgetting ready to turn around and
walk away.
Right, to turn around and walkaway, right, right, it was like
toxic, right.
And I sat there for a few andas I was getting ready to walk
away, the door opens.
I'm like, oh man.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
Yeah, they caught you .
I'm sorry, I didn't do this man?

Speaker 3 (37:01):
And what blew me away the most is when she answered
the door.
She was completely normal.
Hi come yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Right but wait before you look for the Because it was
like a two-faced thing.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
Yeah, but were they yelling at the animals?
Or to each other, no to eachother, Okay okay, At least at
that moment right, yeah, yeah,yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Who kept the door?
No, I don't want the door.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
It wasn't about.
Yeah, it was just going backand forth.
I'm see the tents andeverything, so I can see the dog
was luring me.
He actually almost caught myfinger and stuff like that.
So that dog no training, nonothing just got out of that
environment and went to anotherhouse and was fine, ooh.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Right Because, like human beings, if you're in a
toxic situation, you're going toact out.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
You're going to be in a certain way, yeah.
So it's not like just writtenin stone right, okay, but it but
a lot of these things too,because when you see a dog, you
know about genetics, right, andyou see him outside of the
environment, the dog'scomfortable, really kind of
stable, nothing really botheringhim relaxed this dad and the
third but when he goes back intothe house, that's when he's

(38:11):
tense, right.
So now, dogs, we understandtriggers and stuff like that
Right.
So we can anticipate and predictwhat's going to go on.
So, out of the house.
The dog's fine Inside the house.
That's where the dog's fine,that's where his taxes are.
Take the dog out of theenvironment.
It's an easy fix.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Put him in a place where.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
Work on them.
And that can be the same thingwith barking too, or even with
being inside the crate.
So sometimes it's changing,putting a crate from one room
into another room, becauseinside the other room the dog
hasn't been in there yet.
So now it's like a differentenvironment.
So now I might not becomfortable enough to bark.
Give me enough time to be ableto take him in and out while he
is quiet, so I can start up thewhole process again.
So, that small change can be mything that I need to make that

(38:51):
big difference, that windowright To make that difference,
gotcha so once you have theselittle things in your back
pocket, you already know how toplay with things and you can
manipulate things a little bitmore to learn more about the dog
or be, able to help speedthings up.
It's just fun stuff.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah, it's just.

Speaker 4 (39:07):
I'm loving it.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
It's nerdy stuff.

Speaker 4 (39:09):
Yeah, All day dude.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
All day stuff.

Speaker 4 (39:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, all day, dude all day major nerds
right now, but I literally callmyself that the dog nerd so yeah
, you know.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
So that's why I like the hard stuff, because the easy
stuff too easy right easy, likeI like to be challenged yes,
right, right, you know.
So you know a lot of times whendog no go ahead.
Oh, so a lot of times when dogsare in the house and people are
looking for the dogs to be morecomfortable out the house.
Why does the dog have to becomfortable out the house?
Because he gets everything thathe needs in the house.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
He's getting fed, he's getting love, he's on the
couch he gets played withwhenever he wants.
So stop giving him everythingin the house, make him go
outside and get it.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
Yeah, man Gotcha.
So I start With the food.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Yes, no, it's been proven in research that no
healthy dog will starve himselfto death, right, right.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
So I just take the food, I just throw it in the
backyard and I'm going to go eatit, because if he doesn't, the
birds aren't Right.
Right, someone's going to getit.
You see what I'm saying?
Yeah, man.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
And then when push comes to shove, right dog's
going to eat that's.
It's like the same thing as thegame show Survivor, right,
right.
I'll never eat that.
I'll never, yeah, until you putme on an island.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
Yeah, I want to survive.
I have the will to survive.
Yeah, I got kids to come backto.
Yeah, also, you know family,I'm surviving.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
Yeah, man, yeah Makes sense.
Yeah, yeah man, yeah makessense.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Yeah, cause I don't like fish, so I'd be stuck on
that island so basically, yeah,I turn the dog back into a
hunter and make him go work forhis exercise so he gets back
into his natural instincts andgoes that's the best way works
for him.
Yeah, that's awesome that'swhat a lot of trainers when we
say we unlock the dog.
Yeah, yeah, that there.
Block the dog.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there you go.
All right, that's great stuff.
That is freaking awesome, bro,I mean, and it's crazy because
you never think of how muchsense that makes.
You know what I'm saying.
Like I said, I see my daughterhas a dog and you know, it took
her a little bit.
She was, she's straight, youknow, she's military.
So she's like ah, er, er.
And then the dog give me apuppy.

(41:12):
Oh my god, oh my god, give me apuppy.
I'm like, stop kissing up onthe dog like you gotta follow
through.
You can't just you know that'sit and keep it moving you wanna
reward him when he can't, whenhe's supposed to she started to
learn that.
you know, of course, granted,you know she's not where she
should be.
You know where she wants to be,but you know she's getting
there and you know, like I said,she's been training him and

(41:35):
stricted with the puppy so wellhe's not even a puppy anymore.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
You know what?
Now you can get in touch withher Exactly.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
You know what I'm saying yeah for sure, they
definitely train you, though, ifyou don't train them.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
Although, when we had our dog like every, every time
it was like around, like dinnertime, she would start barking at
them.
Yeah, I want to eat.
I want to eat, yeah, yeah, see,that's an internal clock yeah,
right right, and then that wecall pushy dog right.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
So something like that the dog's predictable, so
this is at four o'clock, right,the dog does it.
So at45, I put lead on dog, dogdo it.
I can pump dog, I can addressdog.
Ooh yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
So you know that's how you change the little game,
because the dog is.
You already know what the dogis going to do.

Speaker 4 (42:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
So I show you what to do and how to get ahead of it,
you know gonna do, yeah.
So when I show you what to doand how to get ahead of it, you
know things like that.
So these animals are so clever,right, and so after doing dog
training and stuff and peoplelike to humanize this is the
story I tell them when it comesto payment systems.
I used to be playing on theplayground at family function
and then my uncle will call meoff the playground to go get him

(42:51):
a beer from the cooler, right,okay, but he'll be just waving
his hand at me.
I'll be like, nope, I'm notgoing Right, right.
Then he'll call me a couple ofmoments later, waving with one
hand, with the other hand on hisback.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
Yeah, there you go.
He's going to give you money orsomething.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
I said, guys, I'll be right back.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
Right.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
So now you take the dog trainer that has the pouch
in front of him.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
Right, I know she's paying.
Yeah, put the pouch behind her.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
She's not paying.
The behavior goes away.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
Yeah, that is awesome .
I like that bro.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
It's so cool how?
Because we complicate it, youknow, because we don't know.
But when you get someone likeyou who knows that, and it just
makes sense, and you're like,okay, that makes sense.
That works you know that works.
You know, don't worry, we'regoing to be in touch because my
dogs need some work.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
Yeah, I'll make you work too.
Yeah, no doubt about it.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Yep, and let me tell you, overall they're good dogs
but there were some things thatthey definitely can use some,
you know, work on and correcting, but overall they're, you know,
like they're crate, trained atnight.
Like I said I told you earlier,they're bonded right.
So originally we were going toseparate them and it was just
not working to have them both inthe different kennels but they

(44:09):
were so connected to anotherbecause they were the last two
of the litter so they weretogether and I think that when
you looked at all the otherpictures they were always
together.
I'm like you know what they'rebonded, leave them in there,
they're fine.
But they know that the kennelis theirs.
That's where they go.
When they have to go at nightto go to bed, kennel, you go
right in, open the door and Iclose and Jeter goes right to

(44:29):
his kennel.
He knows, I don't even have totell him, he just goes and he
goes right in.
So we did certain things rightand I know there were certain
things we didn't really followup well enough on.
And so we're going to have towork on that, but overall I love
them.
You know that's my family, soyou know we take care of them.
We're always looking out forthem.
You know, sure that is great andthat's why I wanted to have you

(44:52):
on too, because I'm like thatwhen I was talking about it, I'm
like that would be a reallygood podcast to have on, and I'm
glad we had you on for this,because that just everything you
were saying, or what you weretalking about, was just even for
you, kenny, because Kenny's notreally a dog guy.
Well, I'm allergic to all sofor him it's easy because he
doesn't have to worry about it.
He can pet them and everything.
And he won't get, he won't breakout or anything like that but

(45:16):
he was, you know, because he'sallergic, so he really never was
.
But I'm sure this was good foryou too, right?

Speaker 4 (45:21):
because it's so educated and it's just mind
blowing yeah, but I know so manypeople that have pets.
You know that just hearingeverything that you said tonight
changes their thought process.
You know what I'm saying.
So it's always that littlething like you're saying.
It's that little thing that'slike, ah, boom, now that makes
sense.
The three of us sat here likeno shit.
He's got dogs and he's sayingget the fuck out of here.

(45:43):
Oh, my God that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
When I watched Cesar Millan a lot of the stuff you
were saying I was like this guymust be like, oh, in a sense
like a clone in a sense, becausea lot of things you were saying
like the way he speaks.
You know, we humanize the dogwe're their worst enemy.
Because we make those right andwhen he talks about it you're
like, oh man, so easy.
And when he gets the dog, likeyou would just say, when you

(46:06):
have the dog, the dog alreadyknows you're connected, you, he
knows.
It's amazing to watch and it'slike wow.
And people look at him like howthe fuck did he just do that?
Yeah, he just met this freakingdog and he's sort of let me
change the leash, let me do this, and then he's got.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
You know, you know one of the best things that I do
.
That really blows people'sminds when they think they have
an aggressive dog, right, right,and what I end up doing is
taking the dog in my possession.
So if they hold the dog closewith one hand by like the buckle
, and with the other handthey're going to extend the
leash out to me and then they'regoing to move away from the dog
, right, the dog is notaggressive, it's not going to

(46:40):
turn and try to attack me.
He's going to be more concernedwhere mom and dad's at.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
Right.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
So he's going to be dogging in the middle?
Yes, getting over there, yeahRight.
So then what I end up doing?
I pressure on, pressure off, soI'll take the dog to mom and
dad and the dog does this, yeah,yeah, yeah.
And then I do like a littlelight countdown and then I'll
pump and I'll make the dog walkaway, to walk back, to walk away
, to walk back, once the dogstarts to understand oh, oh.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
I'm coming back and stuff like that.
You'll see the dog shake bodylanguage, starts moving around.
Then I start being able tostart moving right away.
Dog doesn't want to bite.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
You know, it's just like an anxiety thing, almost in
a sense.
Right, it's a it's, it's a backdoor out of stressful
situations, okay okay, I got sothey will start to learn that I
behave this way either theyleave or we leave okay right you
, things like that.

Speaker 4 (47:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
Because a lot of in that times, whoever's handling
that dog is insecure as well.
Mm-hmm, right, Right.
So a lot of that tension andinsecurity is coming pulled up
from the leash Right.
So that's like being in abarber chair and then the
barber's getting ready to lineup your beard and he's shaking.

Speaker 4 (47:53):
Mm-hmm Right, hell yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
And he's sweating.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
You going to let him touch you?

Speaker 4 (47:57):
No, yeah, bro, right, you're going to cut me Back off
, yeah, right.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
So you want to be confident.
So one of those things.
In those situations, I instillconfidence into mom and dad.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
Right.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
Because one of the first things I showed them is
that the dog does not, is notgoing to bite, right, right,
because you can't think in thatsituation, right, because you
can reach to the point of nolearning when you're in that
stressful situation.
Here's another example there'sno cure for being scared of
heights, right yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
I know it.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
At five feet you catch a ball a hundred percent
right.
You're're not bothered, so Iquickly move to 10 feet.
10 feet you're catching a 65,you're sweating and you're
looking over the edge.
You're not passing, you're not,you're not failing but, there's
a lot of room to work when youmove to the next level.
Ideally I like to try again tothe 90s, right, because anything
under 90s and stuff like thatif you move too fast, right,

(48:52):
right you get.
You get to the next level, youcan be laying flat.
You've reached a point of nolearning.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
Right Gotcha.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
Right.
So in certain situations you'rejust going to max out.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
That makes sense.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
Right To get to that threshold.
When you start to desensitizethe dog and start doing like
that and at that point readingthe dog's body language and you
can understand its threshold,pressure on, pressure off right,
and then by that time you havea reward, and even the reward of
taking the pressure off is areward itself so the dog is
basically telling you already,yeah, but then now the dog is
going to get comfortable, thatI'm comfortable in the situation

(49:24):
and I'm going to display thatthrough the leash and through
the exercise I'm going to do,because now if I teach a dog so
you see a lot of these trainingplatforms right that the dog has
to stand on this elevator.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
Right yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Right, so we're holding them accountable having
to stay there.
Okay, so it's like a Skinnerbox, right, so you have to wait
till the command to come off.
Right?
So after the dog learns thisexercise right and save his cars
that he wants to go after, Ican put them on the platform and
if he breaks it to go after thecar and at that moment I can
use negative reinforcement thatlater would turn into a

(49:56):
correction okay right, so thatlater he's not going to be
worried about the cars, he'sgoing to probably be more
worried about staying on theplatform to avoid.
And then now he, now he getsfeeding.
Now, now he gets the food nowhe gets now he gets released and
go play tug right, because thecars are not really an issue.
It's his behavior, it's hisdecision for running and going
after them, right.

(50:16):
So I don't do nothing unlessyou do something.

Speaker 4 (50:19):
Right.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
So in a low distraction I'll have the dog
learn the advantage of all thesefun things that happen on his
platform.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
Right.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
And then teach him what happens if he jumps off on
his own Later.
In practice he'll just getthose little reminders that you
have to stay on.

Speaker 4 (50:33):
Right.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
And then, as you get better right, I'm going to start
holding you more accountable to.
That Makes sense, man, thatmakes sense.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
That's good stuff, man.
Damn Well with that, my brother.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
I appreciate you being here, thank you so much
for coming and hanging out withus.
That was great, that went fast.
Yeah, told you guys, told.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
It's going to be good , told you and I was telling you
earlier, right, once theconversation goes and it takes
time yeah bro, and it just flies, man, and it's always a good
time.
So, that being said, my friend.

Speaker 4 (50:58):
Yeah, bro, appreciate you being here again, thank you
so much, man.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Thank you for having me Thank you for having me.

Speaker 4 (51:02):
Thanks for coming With that.
Thank you all for watching.