Cody Hibbard (Repost)

We’ve taken a vacation but, please enjoy this reposted episode with Cody Hibbard! Cody, is doing great things right now on CBS’s The Road.

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This week on Country on Deck. I went back to Nashville that
next Monday and and Rivers and Philbilly, if anyone knows him,
was standing there in the kitchen and at the writers room
and, and I was like, man, dude, it's weird.
I took this trip with my dad andhe started talking to me and I

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was like, man, this is like my best friend.
And Rivers looked at me and goes, sounds like you took a
long ride in the short bed. And we ended up writing the song
and, and oh, dude, it's it's just, I mean, I that would be
the one that people always ask me, is there a song that you
wish would have done better? This is the song that if it

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doesn't do, I guess up to my expectations.
Like it's one of the ones I put out for myself.
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He's a guy with a great story. Can't wait to dive in and help
you learn a little bit more about him and learn about this
new album coming out in August on the show this week, Cody
Hibbard. Cody, thanks so much for coming
on, man. Appreciate you having me on
here. How?
Have you been, man? I've been doing good just trying

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to gear up for this album and bought a Wagyu bull the other
day trying to get in some wag the Wagyu business.
Yeah, I saw that on your Instagram, but you were you
bought that to celebrate the thesong coming out.
Yeah, I mean, I said that, but you know, I'm part of it.
I've, I've, the last couple years, I've always been like a

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it's, I don't know, it's kind ofa weird deal, but like I love
going to a meat market and like looking at, you know, I'm a big
griller. Yeah, I love cooking.
So I love going to meet market and just kind of picking out
like the best cuts and stuff. And so Wagyu, you know, I met
some guys down outside of Houston that they have about
1500 or 1200 head of Wagyu cows.And I don't know, I've been

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obsessed with it and we've run limousine all over our life.
And I don't know, it's just one of the things where I was just
like, I think, you know, I mightjust ease this way and, and see
what happens. I bet there's a lot of good
food, a lot of good like BBQ down there for sure.
Oh, there's, yeah. Some of the best you could
probably get is in Texas. You're living in Texas now, but

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you were adopted and grew up in Oklahoma.
Yeah, I was adopted from South Korea, 13 months old.
And my parents, we well had timewhen I was adopted.
They they lived in Tulsa, but they ended up about less than a
year, I think later we we ended up buying the farm that that I
end up growing up on 340 acres outside of outside of Tulsa,

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about 45 minutes and eight air. What was it like growing up?
On on a farm. I guess just because I was
indoctrinated into it at such a young age that it would just
wasn't you didn't think anythingdifferent.
And Eight Air is kind of a farming community.
So I mean, I I just felt like I was like everybody else and

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people call it hard work. And for me, it was just normal
life. One of the things I, I
gravitated to when I saw your story and, and saw some stuff on
Instagram is you're unapologetically yourself.
You're you, you don't really care what people think.
And my better half is, is actually Asian.
And I'd I like how you're going after your music and dismiss the

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haters, even though there's a lot of haters out there for the
fact that your country and and Asian I I like that you don't
really care what people think. Yeah, no, I I've, you know, I've
done 3 careers. Well, four, I guess if you call
the farm life career, you know, I went to the United States
Naval Academy and then a pipelined and and then I yeah,

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I'm here doing this music and and I wasn't a 16 to 18 year old
kid that decided to get into music and and struggle through
the ramen years and stuff like that.
I went straight to work. And when you go straight to work
and and what I call a real atmosphere, there's a lot of
people who let me back up when there's money involved.

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You know, there's a lot of good money out in the oil fields.
You know, there, there can be some cutthroat, there can be
some people talking crap and, and, and a lot of stuff like
that and, and you learn to deal with it.
And me being, I guess of Asian descent, you know, I'm, I've
always been the easy target. And it's, I wouldn't say like
it's not racism or anything likethat.

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Like people poke fun. My dad used to say all the time,
like my dad was a great athlete.He you know what he was a, a
pale white dude who who was really good at sports.
And my dad, you say it all the time.
He said, I get it too, I got a lot of things and said to me and
he said you just laugh it off and you prove them wrong.
And you know, I took it a littlebit step further and I became
kind of a smart aleck and and you know, I use it to my

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advantage because it's not really haters as much as it is I
just am not a big fan of stupid people.
No, definitely not. No.
Yeah. I, I witnessed the haters all
the time, like especially in thecountry music scene, like my
better half and I will walk intolike a country concert, for

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example, and you'll get some look sometimes.
You know, and I think a lot of it too is like you, you'll get
the looks. I get the looks, of course, all
the time. And we're an anomaly.
I mean, we really are. Every time an Asian gets brought
up, it's always something kind of different and quirky like
William Hunger or Psy or Jimmy Wang Yang or just something like

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it's always something that kind of, I mean, martial arts has
always fascinated the the Western world and, and a lot of
things that is come from the Asian communities.
Like, I mean, we were just talking about Wagyu, like Wagyu
starting to kind of come in hereand really take over for farmers
and ranchers. Like there's a lot of things
that that is starting to come in.
But you know, I was based, I'm abig history buff.

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Like World War 2 killed a lot of.
I mean, we were at war with Japan and then we had the Korean
War and then the Vietnam War. Like the Asian communities were
like, we're just now starting toget out where it was like we're
not having a war against a country in Asia, you know.
And so we're staying in now withMiddle East war in Afghanistan
and the Iraq war. And we're starting to see it now

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where there, you know, there's alot of hostility towards those
people of that culture. It's just history.
It really is. Your grandpa had to fight
against him. So he kind of talked down about
the people and that got kind of pushed down to another
generation. Then eventually it just cycles
out, you know, I mean, people tend to forget the, you know,
the Scottish and the, and the, Iguess you could say more

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Caucasian people were very hatedagainst when they first moved
to, came to America. And so, but you don't see that
anymore. And so it, it's a history thing.
Like, I don't know, I try to seea bigger picture.
Nobody's ever just told me like,Hey, I want to kill you because
you're you're Asian, or hey, I want to murder you and your
family because I don't like the way you look.

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So, you know, never come across that.
Are there people like that? Oh, yeah.
There's probably some people like that, but you know, they're
not worth the time and they'll never do anything in their life
And, and I'm out here making money so.
What inspired you to attend the Naval Academy?
My granddad was a Recon Marine officer in Vietnam.

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He was Special forces. For me, it was just, I don't
know, I was up on this farm for growing up.
There's not a lot out there. I don't know, I just, I wanted
something different. I just didn't know what I wanted
to do. I knew I couldn't work inside
doing an office job. Like it bothers me being in a
writing room for three hours, like I'm always looking out the

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window. I just knew at that age I wanted
to do something and, and mom waspushing college, which was
great. But at the same time too, I was
like, oh, what am I going to? I don't want to be a doctor.
I don't want to be a lawyer. I don't want to be anything that
I have to be in indoors. So what am I supposed to do?
And, and we ended up taking a tour to the United States
Military Academy and my granddadsaid you ought to apply for the

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academies. And I, I didn't think I was
smart enough or, or, you know, you didn't know what kind of
people were really going And, orso I didn't know if I was
physical enough to, I was alwaysbeen a physical person.
And I got in and of course, one of the greatest accomplishments
of my life And, and I just lovedit.
I loved the the uniformity and in the outdoor sense and, and

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they were there was just something about it that just
drew me that way. Plus, of course, serving this
this great nation. Thank you for that.
Thank you for that. Well, I mean, I say that too.
And I, I, I got in. I always say I got in and I did
the hardest year, which is the blebe year.
And then my shoulder was so bad that they sent me home.
So I wanted to. I don't ever say I really served

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this nation. They paid me to go to school and
but my intentions was of course.Too.
I was going to say the intentions were still there.
Yeah, the intentions were alwaysthere.
I mean, I love this nation and you know, the the fact that I
was adopted here and then that'safforded me such a great
opportunity and work and be ableto work for what I have.
And again, the pipeline industry.

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I mean, I was, I only did it because I felt like, yes, it was
great money, but I feel like I was helping really build the
infrastructure of, of this nation.
You know, country music to the same thing.
Like I only do this music like Ihad a great job.
I can always have a great job. And the only reason I do this
music is to hopefully help somebody in this world or at

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this nation that that's going through some hard times.
So I don't know, it's kind of I was afforded something great and
I hope to pass it on. Was the training at the Academy?
Was it as tough as it looks in the movies?
We always joke her I've got a bunch of enlisted buddies who
always in the in their dry that we always joke about how the

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Naval Academy, I guess you couldsay I don't know what we really
can called it indoctrine was wasdefinitely not anywhere near
what what the what the enlisted have to go through.
What they kind of pampered the the officers a little bit more
than they they do the I guess you could call them grunts.

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So yes, I mean, it can be physically demanding if you but
for me it was, you know, if it wasn't for my shoulder, it
wouldn't have been as bad at all.
You know, I was very physical asa as a kid and and I enjoyed
enjoyed that stuff. The outdoors didn't scare me.
And so, but for no, it was not. I wouldn't say it was if you're

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prepared right. It was definitely not as intense
as what some of these movies portray.
After you left the Naval Academy, you went back to
another school to keep furthering your education.
Yes, you know, and we're, I've started talking about this more
because I've always felt wrong if I don't.

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I actually got addicted to pain pills at the Naval Academy when
I was having a shoulder surgery.And it was a lot of times like I
didn't realize kind of at the atthe moment, I was addicted to
him. And when I, when they sent me
home from the Naval Academy, I was not right in the head.
I was an 1819 year old kid who had the whole world in front of

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him. And then all of a sudden now I'm
being sent home with a, with a busted up body addiction with no
idea where I'm going to go. My parents were, were right
there. And, you know, they were like,
well, just stay at the house, find your job and, and we're,
you know, we're just figure out what you want to do, go back to
school. So I'm listed at Northeastern

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State University, which is whereCarrie Underwood went.
And that was kind of the, the main college where all of us
went. And I went back for a little bit
and, but I was still in the sameboat, just a lot worse.
I was like, well, there's nothing I really want to do.
I don't want to, still don't want to be a doctor, still don't
want to be a lawyer. I actually was going to was
studying pre pharmacy and in my mind the whole time I was just

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like, I absolutely hate the ideathat I would be stuck indoors
for for 10 hours a day. And yeah, so that's kind of
where I was at in my point of life right there.
Addiction was, you know, I was trying to hide it from everybody
and but I I was just not making clear decisions and that's kind
of where I was at. Well, I commend you for for

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sharing that story, especially since you're doing so well right
now. Like people see the best online
and they don't always see the the worst in in people.
So it's it's good that you're able to share that and maybe
touch somebody. You see a lot of these
celebrities these days, something comes back and bites
them in the butt for something in the past, And I said it
earlier, like if I'm going to dothis career like I wanted to be

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where I'm helping, it's not likeI'm making it like the money I
was. And you know, if I'm going to do
this, I want to help people out.Well, if I'm hiding things like
I did for the longest time, for me, it didn't feel right.
So I was, I was only a couple years of I was addicted and, and
I feel like I really needed, I mean, I had to have them.
Like I just felt like I wasn't myself.

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I wasn't on them when I was toldI was having my daughter, I, I,
I quit cold Turkey, you know, I thank the good Lord for that and
I thank her for that. And there's a song on the album
coming out in August that it's called Had it been a boy.
We've I've teased it a little bit here and there and, and it
is, that's probably the most oneof the most important songs on
the album to me, because I wouldn't be sitting here right

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now if it was if I was still doing the things I was doing.
And again, like I said, I was a 18 year old kid with the with
the world in front of me to to a19 year old kid with nothing to
show for it. And I sat a long time being poor
me and dealt with it in ways I shouldn't.
And as I'm getting older, the more I'm like, well, you're,
you're a fool for, for not just owning up to it when there's

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other people who've had worse situations.
And so that's where I try to help out because I don't think
mine is as bad as, as a lot. And I and I try to help out,
sharing mine to help theirs. I love that clip where you
shared your song to your daughter for the first time and
that must have been really special for you.
Yeah, that was tough, man. I, I've this album coming out, I

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cried to 4 songs in the in the vocal booth.
And I'm not, you know, I didn't,I don't think I started crying
until I was like 30 years old. And that one right there, it
took me a long time that there'sone for my grandpa in there and
that this one for her. And it took me a long time to
finally get the song done. And they're not vocally

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exhausting songs. And me and her mother are split
and she's dealt with a lot of things and what I, you know,
what I've put her through with being on the road and, and she's
the toughest, sweetest, kindest girl I know.
And, and she's starting to get to the age where I guess those
decisions in the past from, fromme are starting to kind of come

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into her. I burnt brain and ideas and her
wander. And my main thing is to get her
to understand like, out of all the bad things your dad did,
like you were the 1 positive light.
So it's tough. I try not to.
I mean, I freaking eyes are swelling right now talking about
it because I just did. People won't ever truly
understand what what she means to me and what that song means

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to me, you know, So But yes, she's, she's special.
You talked about how that song helped you kind of turn things
around in your life. Do you have any other songs that
you've written that kind of touch on your struggles with
addiction? So the album is going to be 10
songs. It starts off with, I'll just
give you go ahead and just tell you that we announced the the

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track listing the other day starts off with a song called
Kill the Messenger. It's honestly about killing a
preacher because your wife cheats on you with with them.
I wrote it by myself and it's kind of the symbolic song before
I left for the Academy, You know, we, I had this guy that I
really looked up to in the church and he was doing some
really bad things and. Right when I was leaving for the
Academy, it kind of all broke loose and it in my mind, I was

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like, well, I've really studied religion for Christianity for
all this time and spent a lot oftime praying and, and really
being next to this guy and, and,you know, for him to kind of
honestly break my heart like that, like, yeah, put too much
faith into it, you know, and which was wrong.
I should have put more faith into to what I should have

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actually been, you know, been putting into.
And so the second song into it is called Bad Trip.
I wrote it by myself. Also, there's 3 tracks on the
album that I wrote by myself in Bad Trip.
I've always talked about my addiction in a a more positive
like, hey, let's you can get through this type of there's

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people like you kind of like, I guess I felt like for one song,
like I really needed to just putit out there and it's a true
story. I was behind on every single
bill. I mean, I was a loser.
I really was behind on every single bill.
I was about to lose my first house.
I thought the cops were after me.

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I thought the repo man was waiting to to take my welding
rig. There was a lot of things.
I end up writing a song about itand it's actually kind of it's a
little bit more light hearted. It's, I feel like it, you don't
connect with people unless you do 2 things.
You stay lighthearted about it in a certain sense or you, you
really hammer the point. And so this one's more

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lighthearted. It's called Bad Trips.
Little honky tonk song that that's kind of the only other
one that I have right now. I am.
I am working on a few more but who knows if they'll see the
light of day. Your song 18 Days, does that
kind of depict your your struggles on the road and and
how you kind of have a balancingact with your family?
So that is from one of my favorite bands growing up,

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Saving Abel, my big, I love rock.
I let my dad love rock music and, and I think that's kind of
where we, we, of course, we always listen country music all
together. But whenever it's me and him
working in the, in the shop, in the barn, like he'd always have
classic rock on and, and Saving Abel was one of my favorite
bands growing up. And they had that song 18 Days.

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And and that's, it's funny you say that because for a long
time, like I just loved it for what it sounded like.
And to me, it was always like a great blend of country music and
rock music. But yes, I guess as I got older,
the more it really kind of resonated more because because
it is, it's a, it's a juggling act of being gone, family,

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finances, everything like that. And so I guess that's kind of,
yeah. I mean, you're just now making
me realize that, Josh. Like, that's, I guess that's
kind of why I put that out there, because it's always been
a favorite of mine. But yeah, I guess it did have a
lot more meaning than than what I really did.
So is is that a cover or that's not something you wrote?
Yeah, that's a cover. That's not one I wrote.

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I'm living under a rock for thatband, I guess.
No, you're good, man. That's like 2006 to 2008
specials I believe. I mean.
Oh wow, I thought you wrote that.
I was like, this is a good song,no?
You know what's funny is I have a 20 year old drummer.
He was 19 at the time and he hadjoined the band right when I put
that cover out and he goes, dude, 18 days is so good, man.

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How'd you write that and all this stuff?
And I go, dude, that's that's a cover.
And then I had to tell him I'm like, wait, what year were you
born? And he was like 2000, whatever
the math is. And I was like, oh, that makes
sense because you were barely even born when the song came
out. So yeah, that's yeah, that would
be a Saving Abel cover. Some of your other influences

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are, are they Dierks Bentley andI saw you are a big stain fan
too, right? Yeah, man, staying Dirk's I love
Dirk's feelings. Early stuff wouldn't say their
influences as much as that's what I listen to.
I always say like my like I had to figure it out doing this
music, like my influence is not an artist.
It's it's a songwriter. And that's why the album came

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out the way it did was because, you know, I looked up more to
people like Tony Lane and RiversRutherford and and David Lee and
all these prolific songwriters that they'll never get the
credit for besides, you know, the check that comes into their
mailbox. But as far as like listening
wise, like I and I'm a I'm a creature hat, like I still

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listen to just what I grew up on.
So it is like staying a lot of Shinedown, a lot of early Dirks
Bentley, Travis Tritt, big Paramore fan.
Heard a couple in a couple different songs that Joe Diffie
reference. Are you Big Joe Diffie guy?
Yeah, I love Joe Diffie, man. I there's just something about

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rest in peace, Joe. But there was just something
about like Travis and Joe. If I did have to pick something
from an influence like artist was, there's just something
about a guy who looks like a regular dude, kind of like Luke
Combs, like a guy that you wouldexpect come out of a tire shop
and be like, hey man, your rims bent.
Like there's just something about not saying that they're

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not good looking dudes, but there's just something about a
guy that's just an average looking dude that can write a
song that can play it and and really get people going.
I don't know if it's just 'causeI'm in the music industry now
where it's like everyone's kind of a prettier looking person.
And, you know, I've always said it, you know, you're, you'll.

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That's why I take pictures afterthe show because I look better
in the dark, you know? So, yeah, Big Joe Diffie fan,
big Travis Tritt, you know, justsome guys that were, like,
gritty and just wanted to play music and they could put on a
show and they didn't have to have their looks.
Do it for him. Who's a new artist that you're

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listening to? There's one guy that I've been
just, I've all his dreams are probably coming from me.
It's Steven. Steven Wilson Junior, a huge
Steven Wilson Junior fan. But the only reason I got into
him was because someone has said, well, he's writing a lot
with Jeffrey Steele and Jeffrey Steele, you know, wrote went
what hurts the most. I mean, one of the best songs

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ever written. And I was like, well, let me
take a listen to this guy because if he's riding with
Jeffrey Steele, like it's got tobe something.
And dude, if you've never listened to Steven Wilson
Junior, like that guy is incredible.
He's insane. I mean, his lyrics, his the way
he his production, I think he's on big loud with, you know,

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Walling and and all them guys, but he just has his own style
and his own sound. And again, my thing, I'm a
songwriter first and I don't know, I'm just a huge fan like,
so that would be about the only new stuff I listen to.
I'm going to have to go look himup right after the conversation.
Oh dude so so freaking. I think he calls himself like I

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think his BIOS is like Death cabfor country or something like
that because he he looks like the lead singer.
Death Cab for cutie. I sure hope this isn't a cover
because I like this one too. Ask your mother.
I thought that was a great song.That is not that is a full Cody
Hibbert 100 percenter. Yeah, that's my dad is the

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notorious one for and the most Iguess fathers are because I do
the same thing. Go ask your mom.
Dad didn't want to make any decision making when it came to
us. And a lot of times it was he was
watching TV. So he's like, I don't know, just
go ask your mother. I wrote it very early on in my
career and I'm actually really bad about going back and looking
through songs, even if they've done well and, and been like,

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man, I should change that, man, I should have wrote this this
way. And there's some things I think
I would have changed in that song.
But at the same time too, it wasa song for my mom.
And honestly, all, all strong women, whether you're a mother
or not, you know, there's something about or I wouldn't
say mother, whether you are a mom or whether it is your mom,
you know, there's something about being being a, a strong

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woman. And, and you know, I don't think
that gets portrayed enough anymore.
I like the the full circle storytelling in that one where
it ends up like you end up asking both mothers for advice.
Yeah, dude, I am a huge, huge. I mean that was such an old
school country way of riding, like the Twist and Turn.

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And when you have a song like for me that's like the biggest,
like I don't know what to say. I mean, it's just the biggest,
like aha, like just like surrealfeeling when you get that, that
that bridge or that last chorus,last verse to turn it.
Now I do have one on the album, the one I wrote for my grandpa.

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It does the exact same thing. I don't know.
For me, that's that's a it's a song.
It's like, holy crap. Like because you just don't see
it it happening. Yeah, I really like songs that
make you think like, oh, wow, this guy's really writing a
story here. We'll get ready.
Like I said, August 2nd that album drops out and there's
their storytelling songs was where I was being an addict to a

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failure to to where I'm at now to a lot of realization to being
a being a father, trying to makeamends to a lot of people and
stuff like that to to hopefully where I'm going.
How it cracks me up because the 1st and I didn't mean to do this
on purpose, but the the first songs that killed the messenger
in this the last songs, the songcalled back Rd. to heaven.
I mean, I, I haven't been this excited about new music in in a

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long time. The the name of the album was
that inspired by a truck ride with your dad?
Yes, it was. I wrote that song with Adam
Craig and Rivers Rutherford. Rivers is a Nashville Hall of
Fame songwriter. One of the best, best out there
by a long shot. One of the best people you'll
meet. My dad growing up is he's a

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great dad now. He's a great person, very strong
morally, but same time too, he, he grew up with my grandpa was a
strong guy that he didn't take no crap.
And my dad got that passed down to him.
And, you know, working together,we, it was a little bit of a me
and dad were butt heads here andthere.
And decision wise, I don't thinkwe've I've always made the best

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decisions and it's always been kind of tough love.
Like dad wasn't really an affectionate tell you type of
person and he did it through hiswork and working for for his
kids and, and providing a meal on at the table on a roof and
everything. That was his way of showing
love. But as a kid, you know, I didn't
expect that. They really understand it.

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So when I took a trip and it really wasn't even really a
trip, it was just kind of just driving around town and he start
talking to me about a bunch of stuff that I was like, holy
crap, I've never heard you even mention this kind of stuff for
why are you talking about this? And I didn't say it.
I kept it to myself and I went back to Nashville that next
Monday and, and Rivers and Philbilly, if anyone knows him,

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was standing there in the kitchen and at the writers room
and and I was like, man, dude, it's weird.
I took this trip with my dad andhe started talking to me and I
was like, man, this is like my best friend.
And Rivers looked at me and goessounds like you took a long ride
in the short bed and we ended upwriting the song and and oh,

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dude, it's it's just I mean, I that would be the one that
people always ask me, is there asong that you wish would have
done better? This is the song that if it
doesn't do, I guess up to my expectations, like it's one of
the ones I put out for myself. But the same time to like, you
have a lot of high hope for it. I get that's going to be the one

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that's like, man, that should have done a lot better than it
did. But again, we're we're we're
praying and hoping that that it does really well.
So Aaron Watson sings on it. If you know Aaron Watson, he
sings on the second verse and it's just it's, I don't know.
It's again another one of my favorites.
You sure look like you're havinga lot of fun promoting the the

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album on social media. I like the clips where you play
like a little bit of the song and you're like, by the way, I'm
Cody Hibbard. Oh yeah, man, I'm again, I've
talked about on the series note about how like everything's been
failure and everything like that.
You know, it's, it's, I mean, I've always said this and a lot
of people will always say different, but life does suck.

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I mean, it really does like you,you're born to die and then all
of a sudden and you also have all these rules like paying
taxes and stuff like that. And you got to go to work and
you know, it's, it wasn't made for this party and this, all
this stuff that I feel like social media brings these days.
That's why we can't get people to go to work.
And so life does suck. But at the same time, it's, it's

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what you do that makes it better.
Some people do stuff that makes it bearable.
Well, I try to do stuff that makes it better.
And for me, it's poking fun, having fun with myself.
You said your wife's Asian. I'll be honest, I make a lot of
Asian jokes because I always beat people to the punch.
And they're like, holy crap. And then they can't say nothing
to me. I'm proud of being who I am.

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You know, I've had a lot of young Asian children come to my
show and I've had a lot of Asianpeople who, and not even just
Asian, I've had white people, I've had black.
I've had all kinds send me a message and go, dude, I was
almost ashamed to like, I love country music, but I've always
been ashamed to listen to it or like let people know I'm a

(33:40):
country music fan. Like some people would tell me
they wouldn't go to concerts because they were just like,
man, like it was like you said, you walk in and you kind of get
some looks and stuff like that, man.
I'm preaching the opposite. Like, own who you are, it
doesn't matter. Like you were built the way you
were. Whether you're tall, short,
Asian, white, red, yellow, it don't matter.
It doesn't matter. Fat.

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Own it. Like own everything.
Like own everything you want to do.
I think you should better your life.
For me it was like the addiction, everything like that.
You should always better yourself.
But also own who you are. Own your mistakes.
Own where you're going. I've never been married to this
music thing. I really haven't.
Like, I love writing music and Ilove performing on stage, but I

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also love helping people out. And I think that's where it's
creeped up. Songwriting, of course, is
always number one, but I think helping out people has always
become #2 and a lot of it is hearing the stories about people
saying, you know, your song got me through a hard time.
Or I've had people tell me that they didn't commit suicide

(34:44):
because because of my, my song. And when you get a message like
that, man, like I don't give a crap if I make any money at all.
I don't know. It's just in a world these days
where it doesn't feel like we try to help each other out.
Like I hope, like I'm trying to keep that little flame alive and
there are people that still do it.
I don't know, I'm not right and I never claimed to be right, but

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I feel like I'm I'm hopefully making an impact somewhere.
Yeah, impacts like that are definitely way more important
than the money for sure. Yeah.
With doing things like the NavalAcademy and hard, tough work
like the pipeline, do you feel like country music is almost
easy for you now? Oh, dude, it's stupid easy.
I get so mad and I've burned so many bridges.

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I think just because this industry is all about networking
and who, you know, it really is,it's not about talent anymore
and it's not about who's the best.
It's not about who writes the Best Song because again, I've
never claimed to be the best vocalist.
I am not the best vocalist. There's a lot of times where,
you know, I should probably get a vocal coach.

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I've never said I'm the best songwriter or anything like
that. But at the same time, like the
entertainment industry is a dirty industry.
It is hard work to a sense, I guess you could say, but it's
more sometimes not having to be who you are, sometimes having to

(36:10):
go out of your way and try to make a drinking buddy.
There's just a lot of stuff thatin this industry that is not
hard work and it's kind of more scheming in my opinion than than
it is. There are people that are
working their butts off. My manager for one, is the one
of the hardest workers I know. You know, it's funny, I'm going
to go ahead and say this. She was told by another person

(36:30):
in this industry who is a higherup, and you can put this out
there, that she had no business being in the industry because
she's a woman. That's not cool.
No, she was told that to her face by a guy who wanted to sign
me to his booking agency. That's interesting because a lot
of the people I have contacted and spoken with in regards to

(36:53):
interviews, it's been a lot of women.
It's a lot of women. There's a lot of women in this
industry and there's a lot of hard working women in this
industry and there's a lot of women that deserve a lot more
than most of these men in this industry.
And she was told flat out to herface by a guy who wanted to sign
me to his booking agency that she because he didn't like that
I had her as a manager because she wasn't a prolific name.

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And so that's what I'm talking about.
And that's what I'm not scared to share.
That's what I'm not scared. Like I've held back because
people have always been like, oh, you need to like build this
image and stuff like that. My image.
I've gotten more respect, like you said, from me standing up
for myself, for me standing up for other people, for me not
taking any crap. And so I've kind of just held

(37:39):
back a little bit about, but there's so much dirty things and
it's going to it'll eventually, and you can write this down too,
it'll eventually blackballed me out of this industry.
But I've done nothing but tell the truth and done nothing but
stand up for what's right. And that's all I'll ever do.
And one day I'll probably just be back on my farm tending cows,

(37:59):
which is just fine by me. But I've always done what's
right and I've always done afterthat.
I mean, I because he called me afterwards and I told him I
said, Hey, I can't sign with youIf you're going to say that like
you, you can't. She's the only manager that I've
had that I felt like really justgot it like that really works.
Like wakes up every morning, works out, goes and grinds for

(38:21):
herself and then grinds for me. And then you're telling me
telling her straight to her face.
She has no business being as industry because a woman like,
why would I sign with you? Well, three years down or you
know, a year down the road, he'sover here telling people that I
had beef with him and stuff likethat.
He's spreading rumors about me that me and him really got into
it. That was not the case.

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It's just the fact that you toldmy manager she doesn't deserve
to be here because people can't own up to what they do.
So it is what it is. Again, I'm on the I'm on the
outskirts and I always will be and I don't care.
I mean, I don't do it for myself.
I don't do it for, I do it for other people.
Is that kind of what your song set in My Ruts is inspired by?

(39:04):
Like the I'm I am who I am and Idon't care what you say. 100%
yes Sir. Right off the rib that is.
We always used to joke in the pipeline industry as a welder.
Like you don't tell another welder how to Weld.
That's fine words. You don't say another welder is
better than you because that wasalways competition.
I'm faster, I'm slicker. I'm, I, I, I put on the best way

(39:27):
I can fill the pipe. More like stuff like that.
I mean, it, it's a, it's like the Old West, like, yo, you
always hurt. Like watch the movies where it's
like 1 little thing that and they have a shootout.
It's for some reason is like, that's some stuff probably in
the Old West that you say you'rebetter welder than me, or you
tell me how to Weld. Like we're going out and having
a duel. But also the Naval Academy and,

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and, and growing up on the farm,like you just, you didn't do it.
Like you, if anything you like, you helped improve, like you,
you took critical, you know, whatever they call it,
criticism, constructive criticism.
But this is the only industry that I've ever been in where
it's like, oh, that's not country music.
Oh, he needs to be more like Hardy.

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Oh, he can't figure out if he wants to be country or rock.
Oh, he's Asian, so he can't be country.
Oh, there's all the, you know, oh, you shouldn't be a manager
because you're a woman. Oh, there's all kinds of stuff
that happens in this industry because it's a dirty game.
So yes, set my ruts. That's the another one I wrote

(40:30):
by myself and it was, it's one of them things like the ruts
represents like if I'm wrong, like I'm going to own up to it,
but it's going to make me who I am because I've been wrong a
lot. The pills, the not being there
for my kids a lot, like just thebad decision making.
That's the ruts. But I don't know if I would
change the damn thing because it's who I am.

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But I'm also not going to be told how I need to be living or
how I need to do this or, or I mean, I'll take the constructive
criticism like I'm the most openminded when somebody's like,
hey, why don't you try this witha song or something like this?
Yeah, I'm good with that. But when you tell me certain
things, it doesn't, it does not.It does not fly in any other

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industry besides the music industry.
Well, hey, your perspective on it is definitely what gravitated
me to you, so it's certainly working.
Yes, that's and it is, it's, it's something I should have
done right off the RIP. Again, I was trying to be more
of like, oh, you know, just I'm,I'm, you know, I guess people
will look up to me and stuff like that, but people don't look

(41:32):
up to a puppet. They look up to somebody that is
strong willed and and understanding and can admit when
he's wrong. And and that's what what I've
always been. And you asked about the country
music about like, is it the easy?
Like, yes, it is easy. But at the same time, like this
is the least I felt country ever.

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You don't tell somebody in the country, like how they should be
or how they should act or you don't tell somebody out in the
country. You know you can't do this.
You can't do that. Like that's not country.
Like people want to base everything off the way a song
sounds. I don't care.
Post Malone, Beyoncé, they all make them songs.
I don't care, does not bother me.

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I don't care if it's a pop song,pop song, true pop song, to a,
to a Hardy rock song, to anything music subjective.
I want to know the character of the person.
Are you really someone that is country morals, a country
person? That to me is country, not a
sound. Yeah, it's interesting.

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Like you grew up on a farm, you really grew up like that country
lifestyle, and then some guy in an office is going to tell you
that you're not country enough. Yeah.
Oh, they did it. You know, what's crazy is like
they did it to Cody Johnson for years.
I mean, there's even the story of telling George Strait, you
know, he need to take his cowboyhat off.
Like, like, you know, there's a it's insane with and it's just

(42:59):
going to get worse, you know, and I've got a lot of buddies
from Lai mean and there's nothing against it, but there's
a lot of LA moving to Nashville and I don't know, it's just,
again, Cody Johnson's a guy to look up to because he's always
been the same person. He's been a, you know, the same
character that he was born to beand he's country through and

(43:21):
through. And he wasn't going to let
anybody tell him not to, that hecouldn't be country.
And they've told him you're too country for country music and
which is absolutely insane. So but they've done, I guess
they've done the same thing to me too.
They've told me that, you know, when I've done some certain
music, the more country or it is, the more I've been told that

(43:44):
that's the safe route. And I'm like, that's not the
safe route. That's country music.
Yeah, that's, that's a strange perspective.
Oh yeah. That's that's the safe route.
It might not do nothing, but butit's there.
And because they do they want. And I know sonically I'm all
over the place. Like set my ruts again.

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I grew up on a lot of classic rock.
I'm a big Fall Out Boy Paramore fan.
I'm a big Shinedown Seether. I mean, Avenged Sevenfold was
one of my favorites growing up. Like I love that sonically, I
don't care what you sound like, because I'm about as country as
I mean, I'm the only one that dips Copenhagen still out here.
Everybody else on them Zens and I don't know, I just not that

(44:28):
that makes me countrier than anybody else, but I I just I'm
set in my ways and I don't know if they they like to set my rut
style and I enjoy it too. But they always call like my
more country stuff, the safe route, which is interesting,
always been interesting to me. Must be a pretty cool Back in
2020, the Kansas City Royals were hitting batting practice 20

(44:50):
year songs. That must be pretty cool.
Oh, that, That's so awesome, man.
I'm an Astros fan through and through.
Always have been. Again, I grew up in Oklahoma.
We didn't have a Major League team, so everybody was either
Cardinals fan or a Rangers fan. I was a gigantic Astros fans
when Bijio and Bagwell and Berkman and all them Roy Oswald,
like all the that. I mean, we were we were good,

(45:12):
but we weren't at the same time.But I always just thought, man,
that is such a cool team and I gravitated to them.
So I've always been an Astros fan.
But my first drummer, his cousinis actually the batting coach
for the Royals. So he got it, got us in on
spring training with them. And you know, I slowly had to

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go. Dang, you know, I actually like
these roles, you know, a little bit.
So I'm always texting their Alex, their batting coach and
being like, man, I'll root for you guys as long as you're not
playing my Astros. But Bobby Witt junior too, he's
he's, he's a, he's an animal man.
He's he's the the shortstop for him and he's not a gigantic deal

(45:57):
and he's, he's fully deserving. And we were there I think 10
days before he got called up andGeorge Brett actually walked up
to me. And he goes, I heard you play
country music. And I go, I try.
And he goes, George Brett, nice to meet you.
And I, like, look down and go, oh, yeah, I know who you are.
And he bat, Bobby was batting. And we looked in the field and

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goes he said, that boy right there, I said, yes, Sir.
He goes, he's going to be a megasuperstar one day, bigger than I
ever was or anybody ever else will be.
And sure as crap, 10 days later he signs and or he he gets
called up and then he signs a gigantic deal last offseason.
And it's just cool to watch, man, because you know, I watched

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that boy. He hit a home run during that
scrimmage. I guess he didn't feel good
enough during that game. So he went straight back to the
batting cages and we walked overthere and followed him and
watched him. He just, you know, hard worker.
I like your music, but I I can'tsee eye to eye with the Astros.
I'm a big Yankees fan, you know,Hey, those two teams hate each

(47:01):
other. Yeah, 100%.
And you know what's funny is I say, you know, I mean I am if I
were to root for team is definitely Astros, but I'm I'm
players fan, man I I it's kind of like country music, like I
enjoy, like I root for the the guy that is a good person.
I root for the person that, you know, they're not flashy and
everything. I mean, I was a huge Derek Jeter

(47:23):
fan, as were a lot of people. I'll be honest, I was a big Alex
Rodriguez fan for a long time. And of course they never seen
eye to eye, but I, I was, I enjoyed the Yankees.
And you know, I, I actually, that's you say that, which is
funny. I, there's a guy that's a
gigantic Yankees fan in town. Everyone knows it.
I seen him last night. I was playing a Riders round and

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I walked up to him and go, hey, we ain't seen eye to eye ever on
baseball, but I give it to your Yankees look absolutely
incredible this year. Well, it takes a big man to
admit that. You know, I've, again, I've
never not admitted my fault. So people can say what they want
about me, but I'm always the first one to go.
You know I've been wrong here and there.

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Did they ever find that golf ball that you hit in New Mexico
yet? If they did, it's probably the
federales and I probably don't want to find out if they did or
not because it was funny as I hit it.
And then we stopped the video and it was like a minute later,
here come a, a Federali Tahoe around the corner of that hill.
And I was like, oh crap, dude. Because we didn't know.

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We knew it hit the top of the hill, but we and I kind of
duffed it. I kind of hit the ground just a
little bit. I mean, the hill, it looks
further than it was. It really wasn't that far out
there. But I didn't know if the ball
went over the hill or if it hit the top of the hill.
The Federal always came around and I was like, oh, Oh no, this
ain't good. And then they just sat there
under the shade tree and just watched this so.

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That could have been bad. You could have started like a
war or something. That's what somebody commented
like Hibbert over here dropping bombs on Mexico about to start
World War Three. And I'm like, I'm just, you
know, it was a cool experience when I guess the win in Rome
thing, you know, so it it, it was fun.
It was funny. So.

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Is that something that you do like before every concert?
Like get out and do something active?
Is that like a pre concert ritual or that was just having
fun? I know I've tried to definitely.
I hate if I take a nap. I'm the grumpiest person in the
world. I am not a pleasure to be around
if I take a nap. I just never have been.
I've always had a bad temper andit's, it's lightened up the

(49:31):
older I got, but I've, I'm just,it's slowly turned into the
grumpy old man. And after we get done with sound
check, which also, and I admit it, I'm a micromanager and it's
a bad trait of mine, but I do it, you know, I'm making sure
everything's good, pre sale counts, all this kind of stuff.
And then when I get done and I kind of like settle down like

(49:51):
I'm like, well, let's stay active.
So I, I tried to go work out. Sometimes that's not readily
available. So I've done everything from hit
golf balls to shoot my bow, to just run, to jogging to push.
I mean just anything I can to just keep blood flow.

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And then usually I'll relax for like the next hour before the
show or well, whenever dinner time is, get a meal in, get a
good shower, get whatever vocal exercise I'm doing and then and
then hit the show. So I definitely try to stay
active before the show because if not, I am a terrible person
to be around. I was thinking about this at the

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concert I was at the other night.
What's it like? Like, you lived a very normal
life before music. What's it like having
smartphones kind of like, shovedin your direction and being
filmed by like random strangers in the crowd?
Does that take time to get used to?
Is it kind of strange? For me, I guess because I got in
it so late and just being, it's funny because I was talking
about this was with another rancher's kid the other day.

(50:56):
I went and bought that bull and and his daughters were talking
to me about how their dad's so old school.
And I was like, yeah, my dad is too, Hey, you know, And I think
for me watching that, like I just getting growing up in it
like the wave of iPhones and smartphones and stuff, like it's
just normal. I think maybe if I'd started in

(51:17):
it, the music game before phonesand stuff, I guess it would be a
little bit take some time to getused to.
But for me, starting so late in my life, like it was just,
that's just one of the things that the only thing that weirds
me out, which is OK, it's a goodthing, is I'll be out in random
places. And it's always the most random
place, it seems like. And somebody goes, do you sing

(51:39):
country music? Are you Cody Hibbard and stuff
like that. And I'll and that takes me some
time to go. Oh crap, there are people that
know who I am. Takes a second to register.
Yes, I mean that it I was in some random hotel the other day
in Fort Smith, AR and the guy wasn't, I say it was good.

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It was about a year ago. We were playing a show out there
and the guy like was that checking into the hotel and I
was too. And he goes, do you play or his
wife was there and she goes, do you play country music?
I'll go, yes, ma'am. And she goes, are you Cody?
I was like, Yep, Cody Hibbard. She goes all that is so cool.

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And her husband's like, what areyou doing all the way out here?
I go, I'm playing a show tonight.
And they're like, oh, we didn't even know you're playing a show.
And that was, to me was one of the most random things because
we were playing in in Fort Smithand, and they didn't even know
it, but they recognize who I was.
That's definitely got to be really weird and really awesome
all at the same time. People coming up to you and

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knowing who you are. Man, I'm excited for this album.
Long Ride in a Short Bed drops in full the full album coming
out on August 2nd. You got those couple of songs
that are already out and available to listen to set in My
Ruts and Roll in. And then on July 19th, you're
going to be dropping a song called Back Rd.

(53:03):
To Heaven. Yes.
So roll and drop first. I wouldn't say rebranding, but
it kind of is like the full me. So I wanted to kind of get
something like more in your face.
So I mean that line with rolling, like there's a lot of
middle fingers getting thrown out on this highway.
Like, yeah, I've I've got a bad another bad trade about, you

(53:23):
know, if I get mad on the road, you might get the bird.
So, you know, it was just a fun song to start with.
And then we didn't know what we want to drop next.
Because to me, all these songs are just some of the best stuff
I've done. And it kind of was you hit the
nail on the head when when it was just like keeps getting
worse and worse about this industry.

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I'm like, well set. My rest needs to be next and
then back. Rd. to heaven is one of those
that I really want to get out there first and and let people
here and and then then I'm kind of making them wait on on the
rest of them. That long ride, a short bed and
had it been a boy and and bunch of other good ones on there.
I'll say after my experience as a teenager, I'm never going to

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flick anybody off on the highwayever again.
You have a bad one. A very bad one.
Yeah, Yeah. Let me say this, I have dealt my
fair share of whoopings, I guess, but I've also taking my
fair share of whoopings and I guess unless you pull a gun, I'm

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not too worried. But I've also had a few guns
pulled on me too. So it's just one of them, one of
them things where it's just like, yeah, you know, what if
you play stupid games, place to get super prizes, you know, and
sometimes I play a stupid game, but it is who I am and and at
least I admit it. This one was a guy driving down

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the breakdown lane hitting a baseball bat against his hand.
Like, come on, come on, pull over.
You know what, that wouldn't work too well with me because
I've got a baseball bat and quite a few other things in my
truck. So I'm the guy that's always
like, hey, we can talk it out first.
If not, let's just go to what the good Lord gave us.

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And then if if you want to keep going up, I guess I'll either
drive off or if I don't have enough time, I guess I better
react so. Well Cody, it was a lot of fun
being able to chat with you and I, I really love your honesty
and how true to yourself that you are.
I appreciate it man, and I appreciate you interviewing me
and let me talk your ear off. And this has been a long time

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coming for this music and, and the honesty, the brutal honesty
and, and a lot of people these days, they leave out a lot of
important details and let peoplemake an assumption of who they
are. And I felt like I did that for a
long time and it put me in a hole of, oh, he's Asian, he

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can't be country or oh, he won'tstand up for himself or oh, he's
the dying breed guy. But he doesn't really act like
it. Well, I need to act like it.
I need to be who I am and who I was.
I wouldn't put that song out hadit, had I not be that person.
So I appreciate you letting me be honest.
Any plans to come out my way anytime soon here in New

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England? I.
Hope man we've we've we've had an ordeal with booking and you
know, I've I've had numerous, numerous messages about going
all the way from the southeast all the way on up and I've
wanted to go revisit Annapolis. I haven't been there against and

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last however long it's been, andso I've wanted to stop through
there and and see it one more time and and then of course, get
up your way. But I don't know.
I hope I really do. I, I, I've always said that I, I
mean, I want to, I'd love to go on a big tour and, and, and play
these songs for people. Well, we would definitely,
definitely love that and we're looking forward to August 2nd

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when all the songs are officially out.
I am too, and again, I appreciate it man.
That's going to do it for this reposted episode of Country on
Deck. Thanks so much for joining us.
I really appreciate that we'll be back next week with another
reposted episode as we continue our fall break, this little

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hiatus and this little R&R time that we're taking away from the
show. But we will be back.
It's just a two week break. We'll be back with new episodes
in just a couple weeks. So get ready for that.
I'm really pumped to be. I'm already thinking about
coming back even though we're currently on on vacation.
Hate taking breaks from the show.

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So excited to come back in a couple weeks and bring you new
interviews, new conversations with rising country stars, and
even more excited for our writers round event coming up on
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