December 31, 2024 • 30 mins
This episode explores the critical importance of online privacy for law enforcement officers and their families. Pete James is the owner of Officer Privacy and he shares insights from his experience in law enforcement and highlights how Officer Privacy helps protect officers from risks associated with doxxing and data leaks.
• Introduction to Officer Privacy and its mission
• The dangers of doxxing and its impact on law enforcement
• How personal data is easily accessible online
• Real-life stories of officers impacted by privacy invasions
• Proactive steps officers can take to safeguard their information
• The importance of leadership in prioritizing officer privacy
• Different service options offered by Officer Privacy
• Call to action: visit officerprivacy.com for more information.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to Courageous Leadership with Travis Yates,
where leaders find the insights,advice and encouragement they
need to lead courageously.
Travis Yates (00:12):
Welcome back to the show.
Thank you for being here, thankyou for watching, thank you for
listening.
I'm excited about today's guestand you will be as well.
On today's show we have PeteJames, a 24-year law enforcement
veteran, now retired.
He's the owner of OfficerPrivacy over at OfficerPrivacy.
com and, as you know, I don'ttalk about a company unless I
(00:33):
believe in it, unless I'm acustomer of it.
And, of course, they have beena sponsor of this podcast for
the last year.
You've heard of them, you'veheard me talk about them, but
you're going to love what youhear today.
Pete James, how are you doing,sir?
Pete James (00:46):
I'm doing awesome.
Thank you, Travis.
Thanks for having me on today.
Travis Yates (00:49):
Well, pete, you've got a wild story of how you
even got into this.
I guess bring our audience upto speed of how you are owner
and operator of this phenomenalcompany that is an officer
safety mandate.
I mean, we treat officer safetyvery seriously if we're on the
streets, but this is just as, ifnot more, important than,
officer safety at home.
(01:09):
But how did you get started inthis?
Pete James (01:12):
Well, I'm the guy that got frustrated because I
was sick and tired of hearingall of the stories about our law
enforcement officers beingdemonized in the media.
Are law enforcement officersbeing demonized in the media?
And there would be incidentsand, the next thing you know,
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criminals and crazies would showup at the front door of
officers' houses, sometimesassaulting them, and it was
having a tremendous impact onthose officers' lives.
And this was happening andnobody was doing anything about
it.
So I do have a background in,of course.
I spent many years with theSacramento County Sheriff's
Department.
The tail end of that career, Ifocused in forensics.
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I took that, worked as aconsultant, did some open source
intel and investigations, andso I took that and combined all
of that and created a servicewhere we help officers remove
their private information fromthe internet so they and their
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families can feel safe, sothey're not concerned about
crazies easily finding theirinformation online and showing
up at their front door.
Travis Yates (02:26):
Yeah, I mean we've come a long ways from when I
started this career over 30years ago.
You just had to get a PO boxright.
You get a PO box and you getyour mail at the PO box and
nobody can find it.
The internet changed all ofthat.
I don't think people understandhow much is out there.
I didn't understand it.
I, of course, being in a commandlevel at a major metropolitan
department giving interviews,I've been doxxed a few times and
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I'll never forget.
Somebody texted me.
A friend of mine said hey, man,you know that your full address
is out there on the voter rolls.
Your full address is here, yourfull address is there.
And I was getting letters atthe house.
I was getting.
I mean, I was so pertinent, Iwas looking outside my front
door and I didn't.
I hadn't heard of you at thattime.
It's been quite a long time ago.
So this is a service thateverybody needs because I don't
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have those worries anymore.
My wife doesn't have thoseworries anymore because you guys
take a hands-on approach andthere's other so-called
companies that do this, but youguys are just tip of the spear.
I mean, you're lawenforcement-owned, your staff is
law enforcement, you're USbased.
You're doing phenomenal stuff.
I have to imagine that you'regetting some incredible stories
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from some officers where, afteryou signed them on, kind of tell
us some of those stories,because some of the before and
after People need to understandhow important this is.
This should not be an option.
Quite frankly, like everyoneneeds to have this, and the
peace of mind you get from it isincredible.
Pete James (03:47):
Yeah Well, the reality is that policing has
changed the last few years,especially in the last decade,
and what we're finding isofficers are hesitating to
really make that, to take thoseproactive steps that they really
(04:08):
should be taking, because inthe back of their minds, they
know that if they take down somebig cartel, if it's a high
profile case, if the media isgoing to cover it or if they
have an auditor recording them,they know that it is possible
that they're going to haveprotesters or crazies at their
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front door.
And this has happened.
This happens all the time.
I keep a document with all theheadlines of this happening, as
well as the client stories thatwe get.
Unfortunately, many of ourclients only sign up after an
incident has happened and thatwill help, but it's much, much
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better to get ahead of us, andthat's what we try and explain
to people.
Look, you know, once the cat isout of the bag, you know it's
tougher to catch up.
So it's good to get ahead ofthis, and what I always
recommend is do a scan, searchfor yourself online like a
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stalker, would you know?
Start clean like you don't knowanything, and what you're going
to know is your name, yourfirst and last name, you're
going to know about where thecity you live in or around, and
go online, search for yourself,like a stalker would, and see
what you can find.
If you do that, you'll beamazed at what is out there and
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how easy it is to see thatinformation.
But it's not all bad.
This can be fixed.
You can minimize theinformation that is exposed, but
you have to take steps to dothat.
Travis Yates (05:54):
So give them how bad it is.
Pete, I was amazed of when Igot the first report back from
your staff.
How many websites are out there.
I mean it is crazy.
This would take aneight-year-old could find this
information.
This is not some complicatedthing right by somebody on the
dark web or something.
How did that happen and howprevalent is it?
Pete James (06:19):
Well.
So let's take a step back.
We are the cause of much ofthat information getting to
those sites, and I know that wewill point our fingers at people
search sites and data brokers,but we're giving them that
information, and so let's figureout how we're doing that and
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then take steps to correct it.
Let's figure out how we'redoing that and then take steps
to correct it.
So, for example, travis, when'sthe last time you used DoorDash
or Instacart?
Travis Yates (06:51):
This month, yeah this month.
Pete James (06:53):
All right, you are leaking your data.
You're leaking your data.
They will say and they willadmit that they are going to
share that information withtheir marketing partners or
their partners, which means databrokers.
Right, when grocery storerewards cards is another example
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, it's very convenient.
Save us a little money.
But if you go to Kroger'swebsite Kroger being one of the
largest national supermarketchains out there if you look at
the books, half of their profitcomes from their other services,
not selling groceries.
Including their other servicesis their marketing.
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They have realized that data isvery valuable and they are
collecting that and then sellingit to other people.
So what happens is we providethis information inadvertently
to companies.
They package it, they sell itto their partners and then data
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brokers people search sites buyit and post it.
I always say you don't really,really want to go crazy about
being private.
We need to live our lives.
The issue isn't necessarilythat our marketing data is being
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collected and shared.
They sell it to these peoplesearch sites that then expose it
online.
That's the problem.
That's the step that isdangerous when it happens.
Travis Yates (08:40):
Yeah, I don't want to scare people because we
should be concerned about this,but I mean I can take it to the
next level.
I worked with an officer out ofWisconsin his name's Joseph
Mensah, and they went to hishouse and shot the house up.
I mean that's how bad this canget, and it's just very
disturbing to me.
Like you know, I travel a lotand I never post my travel
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beforehand, but I leave myfamily here alone a lot, right,
and so when this information'sout there, your family is
probably at more risk than youif you're working full time or
you're traveling.
So really it's a family safetyissue.
And, pete, you've probably gotsome resistance right.
People don't want to beparanoid.
You've got some resistance.
What are some of the things youhear on the resistance side,
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that people say why they don'tneed this?
Pete James (09:24):
Yeah, sure, Some people will say, well, hey, look
, if they show up at my house, Iknow how to take care of
business, you know they'll neverbe seen again, I'll take care
of it.
But the reality is it's best toavoid that in the first place.
Right, it's best, it's best toavoid that confrontation.
And, like you said, what ifyou're not?
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What if?
What if you're not home?
What if just the family is home?
It's, it's not a good situation.
Another thing I may hear oftenis well, you know it's already
out there.
You know I can't be invisible.
Therefore, you know, I'm noteven going to try.
And I'm like well, do you lockyour front door at night?
Well, yeah, you do.
Okay, Well, could somebody comethrough it?
(10:05):
Of course they can.
So I suggest, you know, takinga reasonable approach, right,
but do what you can, follow bestpractices.
And we may not be able to get100% of the information off the
internet about you, but if youcan get 99% off or the majority,
then that's a big step.
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You don't want to just throwyour hands up and say, okay,
well, whatever, I don't care,you may regret that decision.
So, so, you know, search foryourself, see what information
is out there, see how bad theproblem is yourself, and then
take steps to fix it.
Travis Yates (10:45):
Well, I will tell you from personal experience,
pete, for the audience, for theaudience, I mean, mean, I have
been very much a public figurefor 20 years podcast, media,
training, media stuff for a long, long time.
Man, you guys did phenomenalwork.
I mean, I was, I was almostlike you, like I have it's all
out there, what am I going to do?
And it didn't take but a fewweeks and I saw the difference.
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And it's once again for me,it's just for the money that you
have to spend is not very muchcompared to what you spend on
other things, to have the peaceof mind.
And, pete, how do you do this?
I know you have a couple ofoptions.
Right, like you could.
I don't like you have an optionwhere you can do it yourself.
I'm not a fan of that becausethat's just something I don't
think about.
You know how will I remember todo it?
So I know you have that option,but then I have the full
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service.
You guys do it all for me.
I don't have to worry about it,it just happens.
I get an email once in a while,I get a phone call once in a
while.
It's just probably one of thebest things I've done.
I mean, I pay for a concealedcarry insurance with bearing
arms is one of the ones I love.
I pay a lot more for that thanI do for you, but quite frankly,
the odds of me using that areslim, very slim.
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The odds of me needing you aremuch greater.
So this is a it's an incrediblething to do.
So just talk to the audienceabout the different options they
would have.
Pete James (12:01):
So we have two services that that can help.
One is I never want money to bea barrier to privacy, so we
offer use of our software.
It is free for 14 days.
After that it's a couple ofbucks a month.
With that you use our softwareand you follow super easy
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step-by-step process to removeyourself from those sites.
So with that plan you can addfamily members living with you
at no additional cost.
So that is our, that is ourfree do it yourself.
But what more clients arereally interested in is for us
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to do the work for them.
So it's super easy.
They go to officerprivacycomsign up.
It takes about a minute or twoto go through the process and
you'll need to tell us who youare and a little bit of
information.
It takes just a couple ofminutes.
Within 48 hours you're going toget your first report.
So immediately after you sendyour information in, we assign
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it to one of our privacy experts.
We are all current or formerUS-based law enforcement
officers.
We get to work right away.
Within 48 hours you get yourfirst report shows the sites
that we've already removed youfrom and shows the sites that we
are still working on.
Within a couple of days ofgetting that report, you're
going to get a phone call fromone of our team members.
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We want to make certain thatyou receive the report and that
you understand the content andthat we answer any questions
that you may have about it.
After that, every two weeks,you'll get another report with a
follow-up until you've beenremoved from all the top sites
that we remove you from.
So that's the process.
(13:47):
Again, we are US based.
We have all done the job, so weknow how important it is that
you get removed from these sitesfor you and your family safety.
So, um, you know we've grownlike crazy the last six years
and we are all very, verypassionate about the work that
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we do and excited to help thosestill at the tip of the spear.
Travis Yates (14:15):
Well, this is the reason I love you guys.
Pete, I mean, if you werewanting to make as much money as
possible, you would market thisto the, you know, the worldwide
, to anybody that wants to do it.
You would send all your workoverseas to people that came and
speak in, used to do all thework, but you're focused in on
law enforcement.
You will do this for otherindividuals, but all your
marketing, everything, is gearedtowards law enforcement.
(14:36):
In fact, on your website, youtalk about conceal your LEO
status, which I thought wasgreat, because this isn't a day
and time you want to advertisethat away from a job, and so
you've honed in on truly, trulypeople that need it.
I firmly believe that.
I mean, you can't quantify it,but you probably saved lives
because you can't quantify it,because it doesn't ever happen
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once people sign up, like I haveno worries whatsoever with me
and my family, with your service.
Where are you going next?
I mean, obviously you're alwaysobviously having to you keep,
but the other good thing aboutyou doing it P is you're keeping
up with the additional sites.
You're keeping up with thethings that keep popping up.
This stuff is moving veryquickly and I just don't think
an individual can do it.
(15:16):
I mean, I would recommendanybody.
Okay, if you don't have themoney which is not much to do
the full service, then do theother one.
But keep in mind you needsomebody in the background
constantly keeping up with thetechnology, because this is
changing rapidly, is it not?
Pete James (15:29):
Because this is changing rapidly, is it not?
It is New sites are popping up.
New process is to follow.
We are on top of that.
We are always constantlyupdating, and one of the things
we do that is also important is,like you have your people
search sites, right, those arethe ones that you go to, that
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you can see your information,but a layer below those are the
actual data broker sites.
We remove you from the top databroker sites, and the reason
this is important and not a lotof people do this or know about
this.
Think of going out and mowingand you have a field full of
weeds, right.
If you go out there and mowdown the weeds, it's going to
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grow right back.
What you want to do is you wantto pull that weed out by the
root.
All right, you want to stop itfrom coming back, and the way to
do that is to go to the databroker sites and take your
information off of there andtell them do not sell them to
anyone else, which will preventthem from selling it to the
people search sites that thenshow it.
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So, yes, it's important to knowthe ins and outs of these sites
and how they work and howthey're connected and which ones
are related to the others.
We know that we use that to ouradvantage and we do the best we
can for our clients.
Travis Yates (16:52):
Now I assume by law they have to remove you when
you ask Do any of them evergive you a hard time or do they
know that they have to do itimmediately?
They're kind of playing withfire with federal law if they
don't.
Pete James (17:03):
There are some sites that are not based in the
US that give us challenges, sothat give us challenges.
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So it is not always an easyprocess to work with them, but
we are very diligent and we willkeep at it until they're
removed.
It is.
It is not always easy.
There are.
There are struggles in this, uh, in this, in this world, which,
if, if we're facing them andwe're the experts, we know the
ins and outs, we know the bestway to get this done.
If you're trying to do this onyour own, you don't know that.
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So that's why many people hireus to be the experts to take
care of this for them.
And, um, so that's why.
That's why many people hire usto be the experts to take care
of this for them, and so that'swhy.
That's why you know, when Imentioned we do offer our
software for free.
The majority of our clientsjust want us to do the work for
them so that, so that they canjust know that you know it's
being taken care of, they knowwhat they're doing, and I'm just
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going to turn this over to themand let them handle this.
Travis Yates (18:18):
If you're just now joining us, we're speaking to
Pete James.
He's the owner and operator ofOfficerPrivacycom, one of the
most incredible companies you'llfind if you truly believe in
officer safety.
And, pete, let's talk about theleadership angle of this.
It's a podcast to leaders.
I mean, if you're a leader inlaw enforcement, and, of course,
one of the huge components ofthat is caring for those under
you, taking care of them, weshould take that just as serious
.
Off duty.
It's on duty, should we not?
Pete James (18:38):
So we've come a long way the last few years in
being aware of the health andwellness of the officers on our
teams and how that affects theirperformance, and I would ask
you to consider how privacy fitsin there.
So right.
So we know that we want them ina good mental headspace.
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We know that we want them to bephysically fit, but if their
information is exposed on theinternet, they're going to have
this nagging feeling in the backof their minds like okay, I'm
at risk, I'm in danger, I don'tknow how to fix it, and they may
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hesitate in taking that step,which may have a huge impact on
the community that we serve.
So we're not doing them anyfavors by letting them live with
this risk or danger.
So what I would ask you to dois is um, hey, the next time you
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go on briefing, go online um,search for your information or
an officer's information if youget their permission, and show
what information is availableonline.
Show their home address, thenames of their relatives, their
phone numbers, their emailaddresses and use that as an
example like hey, look, if wecan do this here, any criminal
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can do it, and they do do it, sowe gotta fix it.
So educate your team about therisks of this and then give them
some options to fix it.
Travis Yates (20:17):
Yeah, I know it's probably not on the front of a
lot of leaders' minds, but Ihave to.
You know, I'm thinking of allthe money we spend on all the
software products out there,right, whether it's office
products or PowerDMS, I meanit's.
Most departments are spendinghundreds or hundreds of
thousands of dollars on softwareproducts, and those aren't
always for all officers, right.
I mean, not everybody is usingthose products, it's for the
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organizations as a whole.
How cool would it be, though,if somebody stepped up, pete,
and said I want to take care ofthis for my officers.
I mean, I can't think of anybetter gift, so to speak, to
make sure that the departmentactually cares for me.
I know, not every department iscreated equally.
Every department wants todisplay that type of caring, but
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, from a leadership standpoint,I have to think that you would
be open and willing to providethis to an entire department,
would you not?
Pete James (21:04):
Absolutely.
We have many associations andentire departments that sign up
for our services, so absolutely.
Travis Yates (21:13):
Yeah, it's incredible stuff.
How can they reach out to you,pete?
How can they get a hold of you?
Because I mean we could.
Actually I want to back up.
I want to talk about creditcard stuff.
You know applications forcredit cards, credit histories.
How much does that play intoprivacy?
You know, because I knowsometimes private investigators
have different softwares and alot of these information
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websites you talk about willshow all these places you used
to live at.
I'm sure that's probably acredit report type thing.
Is there any way to protectyourself in that, because most
people are going to use creditright, so is there any way,
anything you can do when itcomes to that?
Pete James (21:48):
So one of the things I found when I first
started this company and in factI didn't want to move forward
until I was able to confirm thatthis was accurate and let me
take a step back and tell youhow these people search sites
make money.
Right, because they spend a lotof money buying this data.
They've got the databases inthe background and they've got
the website that they're runningand they've got the advertising
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that they're spending.
So they're spending a lot ofmoney to get this website.
The way they make money back istwo ways One, by selling
advertising on that page andnumber two, by selling more
comprehensive reports about thatperson that you find on that
page.
And number two, by selling morecomprehensive reports about
that person that you find onthat site.
So this is why those peoplesearch sites don't want you to
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remove your information, becausewhen you're not found there,
there's no comprehensive reportto buy and there's no
advertising.
Travis Yates (22:38):
Well, and just so the audience knows, this is not
expensive.
I just actually, I actuallyjust did this the other day for
somebody I was looking from highschool and I noticed the report
was $4.95.
So it's not like your localperson you arrested couldn't
afford this.
I mean, this is easilyaffordable to a lot of people.
Pete James (22:55):
Absolutely, absolutely.
So.
In order to purchase that morecomprehensive report, the
information that'll have moreinformation than what is just
shown on the site, you have tohave a profile on the front end.
You have to have a profile tostart with.
If you don't have a profile tostart with, then there is no
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extra comprehensive report topurchase.
Comprehensive report topurchase.
So when we remove you fromthose sites, there is no listing
, there is no comprehensivereport for them to purchase,
right?
So there has to be step onebefore step two.
Step two is a comprehensivereport.
Step one is the initial listing.
We take you off of that, sothere is no step two.
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So, um, so the idea is you know, take yourself off that site,
and if you but if you are onthat site, yes, somebody can
spend just a few dollars andlearn way more about you than
than you would imagine.
Travis Yates (23:58):
And so back to the back to the credit card
application.
Stuff is, I guess they'reselling information in those
sites too as well.
Right, it's just another wayyou're putting your information.
And, by the way, as Petementioned earlier, we're all
worried about TikTok, but allthese social media companies
that you get for free it's notreally for free.
They're selling your data toall these individuals.
Pete James (24:18):
One of the biggest privacy risks that there is is
are the apps on your phone, theapps on your phone.
When, when we download those,when we agree to their terms and
conditions, we are agreeing toshare so much information about
us with them.
And that and the reason the appis inexpensive is because they
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make the money on the backend.
They make the money by sellingyour data, so it's always a good
idea Check your settings, checkyour uh, check your micro.
Not only check your locationsettings, um, but check your
microphone settings.
A story came out a little whileago.
Cox Media Group admitted theywere listening in on our
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conversations.
And how do they get thatinformation?
From your microphones on yourphone, from the microphones on
your TV, from any smart devicesyou have?
We are leaking this data, right?
We always used to think, oh mygosh, I would have a
conversation with somebody abouta product.
Next thing, I know I see the ad.
(25:25):
Oh my gosh, Okay, it's true,it's true Google.
Travis Yates (25:29):
Zuckerberg.
He testified in front ofCongress back when this came up
and you got to listen to what hesaid.
He said Facebook doesn't listento your conversations.
He didn't, that's all.
Of course, these 90-year-oldsenators didn't ask him the
follow-up question Well, are youselling that?
Of course he is.
He's selling it to other peopleto listen to it, and so his
(25:51):
comment was so interesting to mebecause he answered it
correctly.
He was under oath.
Facebook probably doesn't, butit's the people he's selling the
information to.
That does Correct.
Pete James (26:02):
Correct, Correct.
It's their marketing partnersthat will.
They will buy that informationfrom them.
Another thing that came up justrecently is Walmart bought
Vizio for $2 billion.
So why would Walmart buy a TVcompany?
Travis Yates (26:23):
Well, it's not about TV.
That's the tip.
It's not because of the TV thatTV, it's not because it's the
great TV technology.
Go ahead, Pete, answer it.
Pete James (26:34):
Correct.
Correct, it's because of theinformation that that TV is
collecting, right, they'recollecting what we watch.
When we watch it, they're verylikely are listening with and
and and, believe me, I'm notthis, you know crazy net like oh
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my gosh, I need to wear atinfoil hat.
That's not it Technologycompanies will lie to us.
They will lie to us over andover.
Google says, no, we're notscanning your emails.
A lawsuit, and a couple billiondollars later, oh yeah, we were
.
Oh, sorry about that.
Okay, back to Walmart.
And why would they buy Vizio?
Well, it's because it's thedata that they're collecting,
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right, and and if you take astep back and say you know
Walmart needs to advertise toits clients, well, uh, how do
they do that?
Well, they have to buy it byyou know space, on, on, on on TV
.
Well, how about if you just buythat marketing channel by the
marketing channel, by themarketing channel?
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So the streaming services, um,commercials, eventually we're
going to start, you're going tostart.
I predict if you have a vizio,you're going to start seeing
walmart commercials on there orcommercials from their marketing
partners, based on what youwatch and what they know about
you.
Travis Yates (28:01):
And what they know about you is a lot so I have
four vizios because I love theroku feature, so I'm part of
that roku.
Pete James (28:11):
so roku is a streaming service.
Roku works with kroger, thegrocery store to, um, to collect
that data and then market toyou.
I give a presentation and Ihave a screenshot of uh, the,
the marketing arm of uh, thedata broker arm of Kroger, and I
(28:34):
show that they are bragging topotential advertisers that when
they show a, a ad to their uhcustomer, they are five times
more likely to buy that in thestore.
So they're tracking this right.
So so it's all interconnectedUh, but it starts with right
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Knowing about how we are leakingour data and then taking steps
to to keep ourselves safe.
Travis Yates (29:04):
Well, yeah, the way you described it.
I mean, you really can't avoidit.
If you're going to live life,you can't avoid it.
So the best option is is yourservice speed.
I mean, I cannot emphasizeenough how important this is for
your safety and your family'ssafety.
In fact, that's why it's moreimportant than individual
officer, because it's protectingyour family as well.
So they need to get a hold ofyou guys and you need to do it
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today.
Trust me, it will be the bestthing you've done for your
family in a very long time.
How do they get a hold of you,Pete?
How do they sign up?
Where do they go from?
Pete James (29:32):
here Super easy officerprivacycom Sign up.
Travis Yates (29:37):
Yeah, you do make it easy.
Even I can understand it.
It's right there and you giveaway a lot of free tools.
I mean you've got a, you've gota bunch of resources on there
that if you, if Pete and Ihaven't kind of concerned you up
now you can go get theresources and you can look at it
for yourself.
It's extremely important.
Pete, the service I've told youthis in person and have dinner
(30:03):
with Pete because he's gotalternative phone numbers, his
phone.
He never is on his phonebecause I don't think he has
apps, so being around him makesyou more private.
I've told you this in person.
But I know this is a company.
I know this is a business, butthis service is probably done
more for law enforcement thanpretty much anything I can think
of, because it is providingsomething that really is not
available, that people aren'taware of.
So it's an education piece aswell.
There's no telling the impactit's actually made on safety.
(30:23):
So thank you so much for doingthat and thank you for being
here.
Go to officerprivacycom, checkthem out.
Do this for yourself, but, moreimportantly, do this for your
family.
Thank you, pete, james, and ifyou've been watching and you've
been listening, thank you fordoing that.
We'll see you next week.
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Travis Yates (00:12):
Welcome back to the show.
Thank you for being here, thankyou for watching, thank you for
listening.
I'm excited about today's guestand you will be as well.
On today's show we have PeteJames, a 24-year law enforcement
veteran, now retired.
He's the owner of OfficerPrivacy over at OfficerPrivacy.
com and, as you know, I don'ttalk about a company unless I
(00:33):
believe in it, unless I'm acustomer of it.
And, of course, they have beena sponsor of this podcast for
the last year.
You've heard of them, you'veheard me talk about them, but
you're going to love what youhear today.
Pete James, how are you doing,sir?
Pete James (00:46):
I'm doing awesome.
Thank you, Travis.
Thanks for having me on today.
Travis Yates (00:49):
Well, pete, you've got a wild story of how you
even got into this.
I guess bring our audience upto speed of how you are owner
and operator of this phenomenalcompany that is an officer
safety mandate.
I mean, we treat officer safetyvery seriously if we're on the
streets, but this is just as, ifnot more, important than,
officer safety at home.
(01:09):
But how did you get started inthis?
Pete James (01:12):
Well, I'm the guy that got frustrated because I
was sick and tired of hearingall of the stories about our law
enforcement officers beingdemonized in the media.
Are law enforcement officersbeing demonized in the media?
And there would be incidentsand, the next thing you know,
(01:32):
criminals and crazies would showup at the front door of
officers' houses, sometimesassaulting them, and it was
having a tremendous impact onthose officers' lives.
And this was happening andnobody was doing anything about
it.
So I do have a background in,of course.
I spent many years with theSacramento County Sheriff's
Department.
The tail end of that career, Ifocused in forensics.
(01:54):
I took that, worked as aconsultant, did some open source
intel and investigations, andso I took that and combined all
of that and created a servicewhere we help officers remove
their private information fromthe internet so they and their
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families can feel safe, sothey're not concerned about
crazies easily finding theirinformation online and showing
up at their front door.
Travis Yates (02:26):
Yeah, I mean we've come a long ways from when I
started this career over 30years ago.
You just had to get a PO boxright.
You get a PO box and you getyour mail at the PO box and
nobody can find it.
The internet changed all ofthat.
I don't think people understandhow much is out there.
I didn't understand it.
I, of course, being in a commandlevel at a major metropolitan
department giving interviews,I've been doxxed a few times and
(02:47):
I'll never forget.
Somebody texted me.
A friend of mine said hey, man,you know that your full address
is out there on the voter rolls.
Your full address is here, yourfull address is there.
And I was getting letters atthe house.
I was getting.
I mean, I was so pertinent, Iwas looking outside my front
door and I didn't.
I hadn't heard of you at thattime.
It's been quite a long time ago.
So this is a service thateverybody needs because I don't
(03:08):
have those worries anymore.
My wife doesn't have thoseworries anymore because you guys
take a hands-on approach andthere's other so-called
companies that do this, but youguys are just tip of the spear.
I mean, you're lawenforcement-owned, your staff is
law enforcement, you're USbased.
You're doing phenomenal stuff.
I have to imagine that you'regetting some incredible stories
(03:31):
from some officers where, afteryou signed them on, kind of tell
us some of those stories,because some of the before and
after People need to understandhow important this is.
This should not be an option.
Quite frankly, like everyoneneeds to have this, and the
peace of mind you get from it isincredible.
Pete James (03:47):
Yeah Well, the reality is that policing has
changed the last few years,especially in the last decade,
and what we're finding isofficers are hesitating to
really make that, to take thoseproactive steps that they really
(04:08):
should be taking, because inthe back of their minds, they
know that if they take down somebig cartel, if it's a high
profile case, if the media isgoing to cover it or if they
have an auditor recording them,they know that it is possible
that they're going to haveprotesters or crazies at their
(04:32):
front door.
And this has happened.
This happens all the time.
I keep a document with all theheadlines of this happening, as
well as the client stories thatwe get.
Unfortunately, many of ourclients only sign up after an
incident has happened and thatwill help, but it's much, much
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better to get ahead of us, andthat's what we try and explain
to people.
Look, you know, once the cat isout of the bag, you know it's
tougher to catch up.
So it's good to get ahead ofthis, and what I always
recommend is do a scan, searchfor yourself online like a
(05:16):
stalker, would you know?
Start clean like you don't knowanything, and what you're going
to know is your name, yourfirst and last name, you're
going to know about where thecity you live in or around, and
go online, search for yourself,like a stalker would, and see
what you can find.
If you do that, you'll beamazed at what is out there and
(05:38):
how easy it is to see thatinformation.
But it's not all bad.
This can be fixed.
You can minimize theinformation that is exposed, but
you have to take steps to dothat.
Travis Yates (05:54):
So give them how bad it is.
Pete, I was amazed of when Igot the first report back from
your staff.
How many websites are out there.
I mean it is crazy.
This would take aneight-year-old could find this
information.
This is not some complicatedthing right by somebody on the
dark web or something.
How did that happen and howprevalent is it?
Pete James (06:19):
Well.
So let's take a step back.
We are the cause of much ofthat information getting to
those sites, and I know that wewill point our fingers at people
search sites and data brokers,but we're giving them that
information, and so let's figureout how we're doing that and
(06:42):
then take steps to correct it.
Let's figure out how we'redoing that and then take steps
to correct it.
So, for example, travis, when'sthe last time you used DoorDash
or Instacart?
Travis Yates (06:51):
This month, yeah this month.
Pete James (06:53):
All right, you are leaking your data.
You're leaking your data.
They will say and they willadmit that they are going to
share that information withtheir marketing partners or
their partners, which means databrokers.
Right, when grocery storerewards cards is another example
(07:20):
, it's very convenient.
Save us a little money.
But if you go to Kroger'swebsite Kroger being one of the
largest national supermarketchains out there if you look at
the books, half of their profitcomes from their other services,
not selling groceries.
Including their other servicesis their marketing.
(07:40):
They have realized that data isvery valuable and they are
collecting that and then sellingit to other people.
So what happens is we providethis information inadvertently
to companies.
They package it, they sell itto their partners and then data
(08:02):
brokers people search sites buyit and post it.
I always say you don't really,really want to go crazy about
being private.
We need to live our lives.
The issue isn't necessarilythat our marketing data is being
(08:23):
collected and shared.
They sell it to these peoplesearch sites that then expose it
online.
That's the problem.
That's the step that isdangerous when it happens.
Travis Yates (08:40):
Yeah, I don't want to scare people because we
should be concerned about this,but I mean I can take it to the
next level.
I worked with an officer out ofWisconsin his name's Joseph
Mensah, and they went to hishouse and shot the house up.
I mean that's how bad this canget, and it's just very
disturbing to me.
Like you know, I travel a lotand I never post my travel
(09:00):
beforehand, but I leave myfamily here alone a lot, right,
and so when this information'sout there, your family is
probably at more risk than youif you're working full time or
you're traveling.
So really it's a family safetyissue.
And, pete, you've probably gotsome resistance right.
People don't want to beparanoid.
You've got some resistance.
What are some of the things youhear on the resistance side,
(09:22):
that people say why they don'tneed this?
Pete James (09:24):
Yeah, sure, Some people will say, well, hey, look
, if they show up at my house, Iknow how to take care of
business, you know they'll neverbe seen again, I'll take care
of it.
But the reality is it's best toavoid that in the first place.
Right, it's best, it's best toavoid that confrontation.
And, like you said, what ifyou're not?
(09:45):
What if?
What if you're not home?
What if just the family is home?
It's, it's not a good situation.
Another thing I may hear oftenis well, you know it's already
out there.
You know I can't be invisible.
Therefore, you know, I'm noteven going to try.
And I'm like well, do you lockyour front door at night?
Well, yeah, you do.
Okay, Well, could somebody comethrough it?
(10:05):
Of course they can.
So I suggest, you know, takinga reasonable approach, right,
but do what you can, follow bestpractices.
And we may not be able to get100% of the information off the
internet about you, but if youcan get 99% off or the majority,
then that's a big step.
(10:27):
You don't want to just throwyour hands up and say, okay,
well, whatever, I don't care,you may regret that decision.
So, so, you know, search foryourself, see what information
is out there, see how bad theproblem is yourself, and then
take steps to fix it.
Travis Yates (10:45):
Well, I will tell you from personal experience,
pete, for the audience, for theaudience, I mean, mean, I have
been very much a public figurefor 20 years podcast, media,
training, media stuff for a long, long time.
Man, you guys did phenomenalwork.
I mean, I was, I was almostlike you, like I have it's all
out there, what am I going to do?
And it didn't take but a fewweeks and I saw the difference.
(11:08):
And it's once again for me,it's just for the money that you
have to spend is not very muchcompared to what you spend on
other things, to have the peaceof mind.
And, pete, how do you do this?
I know you have a couple ofoptions.
Right, like you could.
I don't like you have an optionwhere you can do it yourself.
I'm not a fan of that becausethat's just something I don't
think about.
You know how will I remember todo it?
So I know you have that option,but then I have the full
(11:31):
service.
You guys do it all for me.
I don't have to worry about it,it just happens.
I get an email once in a while,I get a phone call once in a
while.
It's just probably one of thebest things I've done.
I mean, I pay for a concealedcarry insurance with bearing
arms is one of the ones I love.
I pay a lot more for that thanI do for you, but quite frankly,
the odds of me using that areslim, very slim.
(11:53):
The odds of me needing you aremuch greater.
So this is a it's an incrediblething to do.
So just talk to the audienceabout the different options they
would have.
Pete James (12:01):
So we have two services that that can help.
One is I never want money to bea barrier to privacy, so we
offer use of our software.
It is free for 14 days.
After that it's a couple ofbucks a month.
With that you use our softwareand you follow super easy
(12:21):
step-by-step process to removeyourself from those sites.
So with that plan you can addfamily members living with you
at no additional cost.
So that is our, that is ourfree do it yourself.
But what more clients arereally interested in is for us
(12:41):
to do the work for them.
So it's super easy.
They go to officerprivacycomsign up.
It takes about a minute or twoto go through the process and
you'll need to tell us who youare and a little bit of
information.
It takes just a couple ofminutes.
Within 48 hours you're going toget your first report.
So immediately after you sendyour information in, we assign
(13:03):
it to one of our privacy experts.
We are all current or formerUS-based law enforcement
officers.
We get to work right away.
Within 48 hours you get yourfirst report shows the sites
that we've already removed youfrom and shows the sites that we
are still working on.
Within a couple of days ofgetting that report, you're
going to get a phone call fromone of our team members.
(13:25):
We want to make certain thatyou receive the report and that
you understand the content andthat we answer any questions
that you may have about it.
After that, every two weeks,you'll get another report with a
follow-up until you've beenremoved from all the top sites
that we remove you from.
So that's the process.
(13:47):
Again, we are US based.
We have all done the job, so weknow how important it is that
you get removed from these sitesfor you and your family safety.
So, um, you know we've grownlike crazy the last six years
and we are all very, verypassionate about the work that
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we do and excited to help thosestill at the tip of the spear.
Travis Yates (14:15):
Well, this is the reason I love you guys.
Pete, I mean, if you werewanting to make as much money as
possible, you would market thisto the, you know, the worldwide
, to anybody that wants to do it.
You would send all your workoverseas to people that came and
speak in, used to do all thework, but you're focused in on
law enforcement.
You will do this for otherindividuals, but all your
marketing, everything, is gearedtowards law enforcement.
(14:36):
In fact, on your website, youtalk about conceal your LEO
status, which I thought wasgreat, because this isn't a day
and time you want to advertisethat away from a job, and so
you've honed in on truly, trulypeople that need it.
I firmly believe that.
I mean, you can't quantify it,but you probably saved lives
because you can't quantify it,because it doesn't ever happen
(14:56):
once people sign up, like I haveno worries whatsoever with me
and my family, with your service.
Where are you going next?
I mean, obviously you're alwaysobviously having to you keep,
but the other good thing aboutyou doing it P is you're keeping
up with the additional sites.
You're keeping up with thethings that keep popping up.
This stuff is moving veryquickly and I just don't think
an individual can do it.
(15:16):
I mean, I would recommendanybody.
Okay, if you don't have themoney which is not much to do
the full service, then do theother one.
But keep in mind you needsomebody in the background
constantly keeping up with thetechnology, because this is
changing rapidly, is it not?
Pete James (15:29):
Because this is changing rapidly, is it not?
It is New sites are popping up.
New process is to follow.
We are on top of that.
We are always constantlyupdating, and one of the things
we do that is also important is,like you have your people
search sites, right, those arethe ones that you go to, that
(15:53):
you can see your information,but a layer below those are the
actual data broker sites.
We remove you from the top databroker sites, and the reason
this is important and not a lotof people do this or know about
this.
Think of going out and mowingand you have a field full of
weeds, right.
If you go out there and mowdown the weeds, it's going to
(16:14):
grow right back.
What you want to do is you wantto pull that weed out by the
root.
All right, you want to stop itfrom coming back, and the way to
do that is to go to the databroker sites and take your
information off of there andtell them do not sell them to
anyone else, which will preventthem from selling it to the
people search sites that thenshow it.
(16:36):
So, yes, it's important to knowthe ins and outs of these sites
and how they work and howthey're connected and which ones
are related to the others.
We know that we use that to ouradvantage and we do the best we
can for our clients.
Travis Yates (16:52):
Now I assume by law they have to remove you when
you ask Do any of them evergive you a hard time or do they
know that they have to do itimmediately?
They're kind of playing withfire with federal law if they
don't.
Pete James (17:03):
There are some sites that are not based in the
US that give us challenges, sothat give us challenges.
(17:24):
So it is not always an easyprocess to work with them, but
we are very diligent and we willkeep at it until they're
removed.
It is.
It is not always easy.
There are.
There are struggles in this, uh, in this, in this world, which,
if, if we're facing them andwe're the experts, we know the
ins and outs, we know the bestway to get this done.
If you're trying to do this onyour own, you don't know that.
(17:46):
So that's why many people hireus to be the experts to take
care of this for them.
And, um, so that's why.
That's why many people hire usto be the experts to take care
of this for them, and so that'swhy.
That's why you know, when Imentioned we do offer our
software for free.
The majority of our clientsjust want us to do the work for
them so that, so that they canjust know that you know it's
being taken care of, they knowwhat they're doing, and I'm just
(18:10):
going to turn this over to themand let them handle this.
Travis Yates (18:18):
If you're just now joining us, we're speaking to
Pete James.
He's the owner and operator ofOfficerPrivacycom, one of the
most incredible companies you'llfind if you truly believe in
officer safety.
And, pete, let's talk about theleadership angle of this.
It's a podcast to leaders.
I mean, if you're a leader inlaw enforcement, and, of course,
one of the huge components ofthat is caring for those under
you, taking care of them, weshould take that just as serious
.
Off duty.
It's on duty, should we not?
Pete James (18:38):
So we've come a long way the last few years in
being aware of the health andwellness of the officers on our
teams and how that affects theirperformance, and I would ask
you to consider how privacy fitsin there.
So right.
So we know that we want them ina good mental headspace.
(18:58):
We know that we want them to bephysically fit, but if their
information is exposed on theinternet, they're going to have
this nagging feeling in the backof their minds like okay, I'm
at risk, I'm in danger, I don'tknow how to fix it, and they may
(19:21):
hesitate in taking that step,which may have a huge impact on
the community that we serve.
So we're not doing them anyfavors by letting them live with
this risk or danger.
So what I would ask you to dois is um, hey, the next time you
(19:42):
go on briefing, go online um,search for your information or
an officer's information if youget their permission, and show
what information is availableonline.
Show their home address, thenames of their relatives, their
phone numbers, their emailaddresses and use that as an
example like hey, look, if wecan do this here, any criminal
(20:04):
can do it, and they do do it, sowe gotta fix it.
So educate your team about therisks of this and then give them
some options to fix it.
Travis Yates (20:17):
Yeah, I know it's probably not on the front of a
lot of leaders' minds, but Ihave to.
You know, I'm thinking of allthe money we spend on all the
software products out there,right, whether it's office
products or PowerDMS, I meanit's.
Most departments are spendinghundreds or hundreds of
thousands of dollars on softwareproducts, and those aren't
always for all officers, right.
I mean, not everybody is usingthose products, it's for the
(20:38):
organizations as a whole.
How cool would it be, though,if somebody stepped up, pete,
and said I want to take care ofthis for my officers.
I mean, I can't think of anybetter gift, so to speak, to
make sure that the departmentactually cares for me.
I know, not every department iscreated equally.
Every department wants todisplay that type of caring, but
(20:58):
, from a leadership standpoint,I have to think that you would
be open and willing to providethis to an entire department,
would you not?
Pete James (21:04):
Absolutely.
We have many associations andentire departments that sign up
for our services, so absolutely.
Travis Yates (21:13):
Yeah, it's incredible stuff.
How can they reach out to you,pete?
How can they get a hold of you?
Because I mean we could.
Actually I want to back up.
I want to talk about creditcard stuff.
You know applications forcredit cards, credit histories.
How much does that play intoprivacy?
You know, because I knowsometimes private investigators
have different softwares and alot of these information
(21:35):
websites you talk about willshow all these places you used
to live at.
I'm sure that's probably acredit report type thing.
Is there any way to protectyourself in that, because most
people are going to use creditright, so is there any way,
anything you can do when itcomes to that?
Pete James (21:48):
So one of the things I found when I first
started this company and in factI didn't want to move forward
until I was able to confirm thatthis was accurate and let me
take a step back and tell youhow these people search sites
make money.
Right, because they spend a lotof money buying this data.
They've got the databases inthe background and they've got
the website that they're runningand they've got the advertising
(22:10):
that they're spending.
So they're spending a lot ofmoney to get this website.
The way they make money back istwo ways One, by selling
advertising on that page andnumber two, by selling more
comprehensive reports about thatperson that you find on that
page.
And number two, by selling morecomprehensive reports about
that person that you find onthat site.
So this is why those peoplesearch sites don't want you to
(22:31):
remove your information, becausewhen you're not found there,
there's no comprehensive reportto buy and there's no
advertising.
Travis Yates (22:38):
Well, and just so the audience knows, this is not
expensive.
I just actually, I actuallyjust did this the other day for
somebody I was looking from highschool and I noticed the report
was $4.95.
So it's not like your localperson you arrested couldn't
afford this.
I mean, this is easilyaffordable to a lot of people.
Pete James (22:55):
Absolutely, absolutely.
So.
In order to purchase that morecomprehensive report, the
information that'll have moreinformation than what is just
shown on the site, you have tohave a profile on the front end.
You have to have a profile tostart with.
If you don't have a profile tostart with, then there is no
(23:16):
extra comprehensive report topurchase.
Comprehensive report topurchase.
So when we remove you fromthose sites, there is no listing
, there is no comprehensivereport for them to purchase,
right?
So there has to be step onebefore step two.
Step two is a comprehensivereport.
Step one is the initial listing.
We take you off of that, sothere is no step two.
(23:39):
So, um, so the idea is you know, take yourself off that site,
and if you but if you are onthat site, yes, somebody can
spend just a few dollars andlearn way more about you than
than you would imagine.
Travis Yates (23:58):
And so back to the back to the credit card
application.
Stuff is, I guess they'reselling information in those
sites too as well.
Right, it's just another wayyou're putting your information.
And, by the way, as Petementioned earlier, we're all
worried about TikTok, but allthese social media companies
that you get for free it's notreally for free.
They're selling your data toall these individuals.
Pete James (24:18):
One of the biggest privacy risks that there is is
are the apps on your phone, theapps on your phone.
When, when we download those,when we agree to their terms and
conditions, we are agreeing toshare so much information about
us with them.
And that and the reason the appis inexpensive is because they
(24:41):
make the money on the backend.
They make the money by sellingyour data, so it's always a good
idea Check your settings, checkyour uh, check your micro.
Not only check your locationsettings, um, but check your
microphone settings.
A story came out a little whileago.
Cox Media Group admitted theywere listening in on our
(25:05):
conversations.
And how do they get thatinformation?
From your microphones on yourphone, from the microphones on
your TV, from any smart devicesyou have?
We are leaking this data, right?
We always used to think, oh mygosh, I would have a
conversation with somebody abouta product.
Next thing, I know I see the ad.
(25:25):
Oh my gosh, Okay, it's true,it's true Google.
Travis Yates (25:29):
Zuckerberg.
He testified in front ofCongress back when this came up
and you got to listen to what hesaid.
He said Facebook doesn't listento your conversations.
He didn't, that's all.
Of course, these 90-year-oldsenators didn't ask him the
follow-up question Well, are youselling that?
Of course he is.
He's selling it to other peopleto listen to it, and so his
(25:51):
comment was so interesting to mebecause he answered it
correctly.
He was under oath.
Facebook probably doesn't, butit's the people he's selling the
information to.
That does Correct.
Pete James (26:02):
Correct, Correct.
It's their marketing partnersthat will.
They will buy that informationfrom them.
Another thing that came up justrecently is Walmart bought
Vizio for $2 billion.
So why would Walmart buy a TVcompany?
Travis Yates (26:23):
Well, it's not about TV.
That's the tip.
It's not because of the TV thatTV, it's not because it's the
great TV technology.
Go ahead, Pete, answer it.
Pete James (26:34):
Correct.
Correct, it's because of theinformation that that TV is
collecting, right, they'recollecting what we watch.
When we watch it, they're verylikely are listening with and
and and, believe me, I'm notthis, you know crazy net like oh
(26:56):
my gosh, I need to wear atinfoil hat.
That's not it Technologycompanies will lie to us.
They will lie to us over andover.
Google says, no, we're notscanning your emails.
A lawsuit, and a couple billiondollars later, oh yeah, we were
.
Oh, sorry about that.
Okay, back to Walmart.
And why would they buy Vizio?
Well, it's because it's thedata that they're collecting,
(27:20):
right, and and if you take astep back and say you know
Walmart needs to advertise toits clients, well, uh, how do
they do that?
Well, they have to buy it byyou know space, on, on, on on TV
.
Well, how about if you just buythat marketing channel by the
marketing channel, by themarketing channel?
(27:47):
So the streaming services, um,commercials, eventually we're
going to start, you're going tostart.
I predict if you have a vizio,you're going to start seeing
walmart commercials on there orcommercials from their marketing
partners, based on what youwatch and what they know about
you.
Travis Yates (28:01):
And what they know about you is a lot so I have
four vizios because I love theroku feature, so I'm part of
that roku.
Pete James (28:11):
so roku is a streaming service.
Roku works with kroger, thegrocery store to, um, to collect
that data and then market toyou.
I give a presentation and Ihave a screenshot of uh, the,
the marketing arm of uh, thedata broker arm of Kroger, and I
(28:34):
show that they are bragging topotential advertisers that when
they show a, a ad to their uhcustomer, they are five times
more likely to buy that in thestore.
So they're tracking this right.
So so it's all interconnectedUh, but it starts with right
(28:57):
Knowing about how we are leakingour data and then taking steps
to to keep ourselves safe.
Travis Yates (29:04):
Well, yeah, the way you described it.
I mean, you really can't avoidit.
If you're going to live life,you can't avoid it.
So the best option is is yourservice speed.
I mean, I cannot emphasizeenough how important this is for
your safety and your family'ssafety.
In fact, that's why it's moreimportant than individual
officer, because it's protectingyour family as well.
So they need to get a hold ofyou guys and you need to do it
(29:26):
today.
Trust me, it will be the bestthing you've done for your
family in a very long time.
How do they get a hold of you,Pete?
How do they sign up?
Where do they go from?
Pete James (29:32):
here Super easy officerprivacycom Sign up.
Travis Yates (29:37):
Yeah, you do make it easy.
Even I can understand it.
It's right there and you giveaway a lot of free tools.
I mean you've got a, you've gota bunch of resources on there
that if you, if Pete and Ihaven't kind of concerned you up
now you can go get theresources and you can look at it
for yourself.
It's extremely important.
Pete, the service I've told youthis in person and have dinner
(30:03):
with Pete because he's gotalternative phone numbers, his
phone.
He never is on his phonebecause I don't think he has
apps, so being around him makesyou more private.
I've told you this in person.
But I know this is a company.
I know this is a business, butthis service is probably done
more for law enforcement thanpretty much anything I can think
of, because it is providingsomething that really is not
available, that people aren'taware of.
So it's an education piece aswell.
There's no telling the impactit's actually made on safety.
(30:23):
So thank you so much for doingthat and thank you for being
here.
Go to officerprivacycom, checkthem out.
Do this for yourself, but, moreimportantly, do this for your
family.
Thank you, pete, james, and ifyou've been watching and you've
been listening, thank you fordoing that.
We'll see you next week.
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