January 2, 2025 • 28 mins
What does courage look like in retirement? For Kellie Frazier of Fetch the Goodness, it meant going far beyond her comfort zone. From jumping out of airplanes and zip-lining over a Mexican rainforest to embracing radical life changes, Kellie shares her remarkable story of healing after a brain injury, a transformative 40-day fast, and stepping boldly into God's plan to bring children back to Him through a TV show.
In this episode, the first of a two-part conversation with Kellie, she turns the concept of a courageous retirement on its head, showing us how building physical and emotional courage can strengthen our ability to trust God with and in all things.
If you've ever faced uncertainty or felt God's call to something bigger, Kellie's story will inspire you to fetch the goodness and live your more!
Quote from Kellie Frazier: That's where that stillness comes in. I trust the Lord. I lean on him, not for my own understanding, but for his, and I believe in the willingness that I have to obey him.
00:00 Introduction to Courageous Retirement
00:50 Guest's Life-Changing Experience
03:09 Divine Guidance and Challenges
03:38 The 40-Day Fast Journey
05:17 Adventures and Overcoming Fears
06:31 Listening to God's Voice
11:34 The Birth of 'Fetch the Goodness'
20:38 Facing Setbacks and Moving Forward
27:12 Conclusion and Next Episode Teaser
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Vona Johnson (00:00):
We were talking about courageous retirement and
(00:02):
I threw out the comment thatpeople think that courageous
means you go jump out of planesand skydive and tightrope
walking and it's not about thatat all; it's about having the
courage to speak truth and love.
And you were like, well, maybenot, and you shared that what I
was saying, it wasn't wasexactly what it was for you.
(00:25):
So you tipped that upside downfor me.
And I want to explore that alittle bit because again,
everybody's journey isdifferent.
Do you fear what lies beyondretirement?
What if it's a gateway to a lifefilled with purpose, meaning,
and adventure rather than anend?
Discover peace and fulfillmentas you boldly enter this new
chapter in CourageousRetirement, a Christian podcast.
(00:46):
I'm your host, author and coach,Vona Johnson.
Let's get started.
You would be, I would guess ofretirement age, but certainly
are not retired.
And I think that's what it's allabout.
So let's talk about that for afew minutes.
How did God help you build thecourage to do what you're doing?
Kellie Frasier (01:04):
Yeah, it's first of all, thank you very much for
having me here.
I'm very excited about it.
And it's always great to see myfriend Vona.
So, yeah, I think the mostpowerful thing that God ever did
to strike my life in a way thatwas so profound.
I could not not do what I'mdoing today.
There's a couple thingsactually.
First one was a brain injuryback in 2007.
(01:26):
that brain injury could havetaken me out just like, you
know, anybody else's braininjury can take them out, but it
didn't six months into thehealing of that, God totally,
radically healed me one morning.
Well, it was in the middle ofthe night, sort of, because
everything was black around me.
But After that healing tookplace, I began to, truly
(01:47):
understand things on a differentlevel.
Like he literally laid outvisions for me right in front of
my face and I've never hadvisions before.
I did not understand what washappening.
But when I did understand, hesaid, trust me, because I asked
him like, in my mind, how can abrain injured person do any of
this?
And that's when he said thosetwo words, trust me.
And I knew I had a decision tomake, okay, yes, I can, or no, I
(02:10):
don't want to, right?
So making the decision to say,yes, I will.
That was the trajectory that Ineeded to be able to go and do
courageous things because I wasnot courageous.
One of you knew me before thatbrain injury.
My husband, my children,everybody will tell you I am a
completely different individual.
Sad for them, I'm sure, becauseI was totally different.
(02:32):
Very, very, introverted, veryembarrassed about all kinds of
things, very insecure, verysubconscious, self conscious.
I mean, it was just a totallydifferent life.
So today, after that happened, Ibegan to pursue things that he
would bring up.
I went right into working withtop marketers of the world, you
(02:54):
know, and I'm like, how did Iget here?
Top authors in the world.
Like, how did I get here?
Right.
I kept asking that question, butI knew when God said, trust me,
I had to trust him.
And because of that decision,that's where the courage came
from.
Vona Johnson (03:09):
So when you were working with these top authors
and marketers or whatever, whatkinds of things were, I mean,
did you have a background inthat or was that all new too?
Kellie Frasier (03:16):
Oh, everything was new.
Absolutely.
Everything was new, but God keptbringing these divine
connections into my life.
And I have to say though, notall of them were Christian based
or kingdom based.
Most of them actually were moreof the new age.
And I was just like, Oh, this isso not where I want to be.
I just knew it internally thatthere was something off, right?
(03:38):
And so come to 2017, that waswhen God asked me to do a 40 day
fast.
And I was like, what?
Now people say, okay, wait asecond.
How does God ask you to do a 40day fast?
And this is, this is anotherwhole podcast probably, but when
you hear the voice of God, whichI've heard since I was a little
kid, um, I have always knownwhen God speaks to me, because I
(04:02):
would certainly never say, Hmm,well, let me just go ahead and
do a 40 day fast today.
Like who says that?
Right?
So when I heard this in myspirit, I, it shocked me.
I'm standing in front of mycabinet door.
I have two pantry doors thatwere opened and I was standing
there looking again for like the15th time that day for a snack.
And that's when the Lord said,To do a 40 day fast.
(04:25):
Well, what ended up happeningwith that is I invited a couple
of friends on Facebook to joinme, to keep me accountable, to
actually doing this fast.
People ask all the time, whatkind of fast was it?
Was it just straight water?
You know?
No, it wasn't.
I could drink broth, which I dida lot.
Um, I even had a smoothie everynow and then, but food, solid
(04:45):
food.
I stayed away from for 23 days.
I made it to the 23 day point,but God had taught me so much
during that time that thatFacebook.
page went from, I think it was,I had two, two friends and it
went immediately to 800 friends.
Then it went to thousands offriends because anyways, long
story, I no longer, yeah, it is.
(05:05):
But because I was following andobeying what God was asking me
to do, right.
So now God asked me to dosomething totally radically
different.
And I'll explain that in aminute.
But before I do, this is whereyou and I were talking and you
were saying, I don't thinkpeople need to go and jump out
of airplanes and all that.
And I went, I do.
(05:27):
I totally did all of that.
I flew over a rainforest at, youknow, I don't know how many
miles per hour, 75 miles perhour on a zipline.
I went upside down.
I jumped out of a plane twice.
I mean, I did so many crazythings.
You just can't even imagine.
And And I'm in my sixties, okay,but I'm doing these things
because I was so afraid of whatGod was asking me to do, that I
(05:51):
was going to not just jump outof an airplane, but I was going
to jump out of his will.
That was what I was afraid of.
And so I kept running towardthose things that made me feel
more brave, more strong, morecourageous, seriously, that's
how I felt.
So I don't know if that answersyour question, but yeah, that's
what I was doing.
Vona Johnson (06:11):
It definitely answered my question and, just
wow, um, 40 days fast.
I, I'm dabbling in intermittentfasting now.
And, 17, 20 hours seem dauntingto me.
I've been doing it and it's, andI actually really enjoy it, but
40 days.
That's, that's impressive.
(06:31):
So I love that, you know, you, Imean, it's that, that God's
talking to you.
And I have a, I have a strongsense that that's because you're
listening.
Can you talk a little bit abouthow you've shut the noise from
the world off so you can hearhim tell you those things?
(06:52):
Yeah,
Kellie Frasier (06:53):
that's a great question.
So I don't shut the world out.
Here's what's really interestingabout that.
God does say to be still andknow.
Now he's not, he's notnecessarily telling you to turn
everything off around you andjust be quiet.
I don't think that that, atleast that was not my
interpretation.
My interpretation was.
from the life of Jesus, watchingwhat Jesus did.
(07:15):
There were times when he pulledaway and it was just he and the
father, right?
But most of the time he wasliterally with everybody The
time with the people that he hadaround him.
So for my interpretation of it,it was the fact that I could
still listen and be still in myspirit.
And I think that's thedifference that most people
(07:37):
think that.
They can't be doing anything,you know, out here because
there's just a lot going on andit's stressful and there's a lot
of anxiety.
For me, if you, I wish thatthere was some kind of a weight
that we could put on this for ameasurement.
But if you countered how muchanxiety I hold on to compared to
the average person, mymeasurement would be pretty low
(08:00):
because.
That's where that stillnesscomes in.
I trust the Lord.
I lean on him, not for my ownunderstanding, but for his, and
I believe the willingness that Ihave to obey him.
That's the key right there forme.
That's why I believe that I hearhim probably more than the
average person does, but can hetalk to all of us?
(08:20):
Absolutely.
Does he absolutely, but not allof us are willing to listen to
that voice,
Vona Johnson (08:26):
right?
Do you find that being in theword I mean, to me, that's a
game changer.
That's, that's where I hear him.
That's where I get the ideas ofwhat to even listen for
sometimes, if that makes sense.
Is that your experience as well?
(08:46):
100%.
Kellie Frasier (08:47):
Yeah.
It's my husband and I were justtalking about this the other
night.
So if you want to become anairplane pilot, you have a
manual, you have instructions,you have.
Coaches, you got people thereteaching you how to fly this
airplane.
But if you ignore the manual,ignore the instruction that
people are giving you who havehad the experience and succeed
at it, then you're going to gonowhere.
Right.
Or you could possibly crash andburn.
(09:09):
And that is something I've knownsince probably since I was a
little girl, but.
Having to relearn everythingafter the brain injury, I knew
that there was somethinginternal that had to shift in
me.
Now, when I created thatFacebook page to keep me
accountable, that actuallyturned into a Bible study.
That's where the Lord wasleading me with that 40 day
(09:32):
fast.
So every morning at 6 30 AMEastern time, I was up and I
went live on Facebook.
And this is why that wholeprocess grew so quickly because
people were hungry and theystill are today, even more so.
Right.
And so that Bible study becamemy personal study so that I
could learn.
(09:52):
And I was simply sharing it withthe people in that Facebook
group.
That's all I was doing.
So little by little, they beganto ask questions.
My family members were kind ofjumping on, like my in laws were
jumping in there and asking mequestions and because everybody
thought.
This girl's bizarre.
Like I want to know why she's soweird, you know, like, what is
it about her?
That's making her get up everysingle day at 6:30 in the
(10:14):
morning and doing this foryears.
And literally I go into a hotelroom where the bathroom was so
big and I would put my computerup on a shelf.
I'd have one foot up on theshower, the other arm over here.
And that's how I was doing myBible study.
Cause I would not miss it.
Now, having that muchdedication, I think that came
(10:36):
from doing all those things likejumping out of airplanes and
doing zip line over Mexicanrainforest and things like that.
I think that's where it camefrom.
It taught me endurance.
Vona Johnson (10:47):
Yeah.
I love that.
No, I, I didn't realize that.
So that's, that's very cool.
So, when we met, you were juststarting.
this project and I'm going tohave you tell us about it, but I
think it's also interestingbecause when I talk about
courageous retirement, I'm, Ibring it into the context of,
(11:10):
you know, God laid this desireon your heart.
It's something maybe you'vedreamed about your whole life.
Go do this thing.
And you're like, well, notexactly.
I had to come into this kickingand screaming, right?
Exactly.
So you turned that philosophyupside down, too.
So let's talk about your projectand how God brought you into
(11:32):
that kicking and screaming.
Kellie Frasier (11:34):
All right.
Well, again, this is anothercool story of God's because it's
not mine.
Um, uh, he sent me to Israel andhow does God send you somewhere?
Well, scripture talks a lotabout that.
And when he says to go, that yougo, when he sends you, he sends
you right.
Um, that we are to send theangels.
I mean, that's what scripturesays.
And so I'm making my bed one dayand I heard the word Israel.
(11:57):
Now I heard it four times inthat one day, and I just could
not understand why I would haveto go to Israel.
I did not.
did not fathom that Israel wouldever be a place that I would go.
Most Christians would love to goto Israel, right?
You've probably even had it.
I do.
I can't wait.
Most people do, but not thisgirl.
I was like, that is not whereI'm going to go.
(12:17):
Well, I did.
And was it life altering?
Yes, but not in the ways thatmost people find going to Israel
life altering.
It was very, very different forme.
It was very difficult for me tobe there.
And so when I came back, I'm noteven going to go into that
story, but it is, it was lifealtering.
Okay.
But when I returned, my daughterwho was pregnant, she lives in
(12:40):
Guelph, Canada.
She went into labor.
And so when I got home, I flewimmediately to Canada and,
Beautiful baby boy was born andit was amazing experience.
And when I was in his room, Godwoke me up in the middle of the
night.
And once again, just like what Ihad mentioned about, the healing
(13:02):
of the brain injury, the sameexact thing happened.
He woke me up saying these wordsand then showing me like TV
screens of what it was that hewanted.
I was like, what is this?
Like, I did not understand it.
Cause look at that particulartime on it, I was a life coach.
I had been a life coach for 15years.
(13:22):
That was something that Iabsolutely loved, right?
I'd written several books.
I was public speaking.
I was doing all these things.
And to me doing those things wasdoing what God wanted me to do.
But God had a totally differentplan.
And so fetch the goodness waswhat he named it.
My husband, I shared with himthese visions and this, you
(13:43):
know, this whole thing.
And, and we're driving, this wasjust before COVID shut the
border down, right?
We were one hour away from theborder and one hour they were
going to shut the border down.
So we were hustling for all wewere worth to get And I was
telling my husband, I look outthe window because he said to
me, what are you supposed tocall this thing?
Anyways, he wasn't happy aboutit.
(14:03):
Believe me.
I wasn't happy about it either.
Yeah.
And so I look out the window andI said, yes, Lord, what are we
supposed to call this thing?
And before I finished thequestion, and that happens a lot
with me before I finished thequestion, he said, fetch the
goodness.
And I said, fetch like inthrowing a dog a bone.
That was the only thing I couldthink of.
(14:24):
And he said, no, to return mychildren to me.
That's what he said.
Oh, I, I immediately got chills.
As soon as I say that, everysingle time I say that, I get
chills.
So I totally understand it.
And that was where everythingchanged.
My entire life changed.
He said, shut down.
The coaching company.
Totally get, just do fetch thegoodness you're gonna have this
(14:46):
woman come in and help you.
I mean, it was one thing afteranother.
And I will tell you what heshowed me in the vision.
I didn't say that earlier, but Iwill tell you what he showed me.
The first was a television showfor children that had puppets.
I couldn't stand puppets.
I was like, I am not apuppeteer.
Like, God, why are you showingme this?
That doesn't make any sense.
(15:07):
You know, the second one wasparents who were praising Jesus
because they learned from theirchildren who were watching these
shows and and learning from thecurriculum.
Then the third was a televisionnetwork to which I translated as
YouTube, because there ain't noway this girl's going to be on
TV.
Right?
So this is, this is where mybrain was at the time.
(15:28):
So having all of this in myview, I, every day, this young
lady and I, we would come ontothe kitchen floor and we would
kneel down or we'd be at thetable and we'd be praying about
it.
And this is what we would do.
We would hold our hands out andwould say, Lord, fill us today,
whatever it is that you want foryour children to know, let us
know what it is and we'll go doit.
(15:49):
And that's how, within the firstyear, you guys, this is so hard
to imagine, but within the firstyear we had 70 shows.
We were up on our televisionnetwork.
We had a creative, beautiful,wonderful team of people helping
us.
Um, we, it was just amazing whatGod did.
So yeah, that, that's the powerbehind hearing God's voice.
(16:10):
And listen, when I said thatWhat, before I even spoke the
words, God had alreadyresponded.
That's what scripture says.
That's what he promises.
Cause he knows your thoughts.
He knows everything about you.
Even the hairs on your head,even the ones that stick
straight up on a, we all know isretire.
He knows about all of that.
(16:33):
Right?
And so the power of himresponding to you before you
even get the question out, youknow, you're on the right path.
You know, you're on the rightpath.
Vona Johnson (16:43):
Yeah, I love that.
You know, and I often talkabout, I mean, we've been back
and forth so many times and, andfor me, when I retired and
started my business, and I'vetalked about how, you know, it's
like, it felt like a failure.
I mean, everything I trieddidn't come to the fruition that
I thought it should.
(17:04):
And I now know that that wasbecause he had a bigger plan for
me and he needed me to be To letgo of so many of the idols that
I had accumulated along the wayand in my identity of who I am
and who I should be.
And, and that money was a bigone to let go of.
(17:25):
And the best way to help me letgo of it was to not have fruit.
financial fruit from the thingsI was doing.
And somewhere mine, mine wasn'tlike a one night thing, but
somewhere along the way, I justrealized that he's already
provided everything I need andmore.
(17:47):
And that.
The most important thing for meto do is just like you said,
every morning, get up and say,okay, God, what are we going to
do today?
What, where, where do I need tofocus my attention?
And there is so much joy and somuch freedom in just being able
to, to respond when he saysthat.
(18:08):
Some days are busier thanothers.
Some days it feels like, huh, Iguess we're just going to hang
out for a while today, huh, God?
Not that that happens veryoften.
But.
But there's just so much peacein not having to worry about
doing it right or, or making,um, I don't know, the numbers.
(18:32):
We get so wrapped up in thenumbers, even, even when we're
not talking about financialgain.
If I put out, uh, an encouragingpost or I write a book or
whatever, it's so easy to say,Oh, you know, I put out a
podcast episode, only 10 peoplelistened.
And, and I somehow.
(18:52):
When I did my first podcast,when that would happen, I would
just be like, Oh, man, do I, amI even doing what God wants me
to do?
And now it's like, don't care.
All I know is I'm doing whathe's asked me to do.
Some days I don't even know whatthe show's going to be about the
day I get out of bed, but heshows me.
And, and I know that it's betterthan anything I could have, you
(19:14):
know, forced myself to do.
So what came up for me as I'mtalking and as you were talking
before, and our pastor justtalked about it at church the
other night, is when theIsraelites were in Egypt and God
provided for them, he providedthem manna, he gave them their
daily bread.
We say it in our, our prayerevery day.
(19:35):
He will give us what we needwhen we need it.
And we don't have to worry abouttomorrow's bread or tomorrow's
income or anything each day asit comes.
Right?
Kellie Frasier (19:48):
I will tell you that I never had that piece that
surpasses understanding while Iwas going through this
experience because I think I wasso focused on What identity are
you trying to give your childrenthrough me?
(20:09):
And so that was not comfortablefor me.
That was very much a, you know,it wasn't stressful, but it was
just a very, um, I don't know, Ican't even explain it.
It's hard to articulate becauseunless you're in that position,
you don't really know what itwould be like.
Right.
And so I think that piece comes.
(20:30):
on occasion when you have theability to hear God's voice.
Let me give you an example.
Okay.
So during 2022, everything gotdemolished.
Our website, our,, our bankaccount got fleeced.
I mean, it was one thing afteranother.
Our entire team got COVID.
People lost their jobs.
I mean, it was just wreakinghavoc in our entire team.
(20:53):
Uh, arena of fetch the goodness.
And so eventually,, our creativedirector left as did most of the
team members because they lostjobs.
They couldn't do this anymore.
And you know, it was allvolunteer, including myself,
we're all volunteers, right?
And so I just kind of threw upmy hands.
I said, okay, Lord, I'm notanxious about this, but I just
know that you're going to bringit back to fruition again.
(21:15):
And I'm just going to let itlie.
So I did for about a year and ahalf.
And when it came back, it cameback with a flood, like he told
me again in vision, he drew itall out for me, told me exactly
what needed to happen.
So that was when we again,remember I'm in my sixties, I'm
ready to retire.
And I'm just like, now you wantme to be.
(21:36):
Build a TV studio.
Like it just went from one thingto the next.
We ended up that summer.
We wrote curriculum for grades Kthrough six, um, teaching
children how to seek theiridentity in the kingdom of God.
When the Lord says to seek hiskingdom with all of our heart
and his righteousness, that'shuge.
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And then all things will beadded unto us.
That's exactly what he means.
And so knowing this That's whatI did.
I just saw him all the time andlittle by little, all these
things just kept being addedonto us.
Right?
So now we have TV shows,animated cartoons, curriculum,
the puppets, the puppets was themain issue for me because I was
(22:20):
not a puppeteer.
I did not know how to do it.
And all of a sudden we'reworking with Melissa and Doug
toys, which is a huge companyhere in I think they're in
Canada too.
Yes.
So they have puppets.
And so those were the puppetsthat we began to use.
Now they get, gave us permissionto use those puppets until we
(22:40):
kind of got a little bit more,you know, famous, so to speak.
And then we had to create ourown totally acceptable and
understandable.
I get it.
Um, so we created our own, butthese instead of little tiny 12
inchers, we use moppets.
We had large, you
Speaker 5 (22:54):
said you have them there.
Let's certainly.
All right.
Hi, I'm Jacob.
Jacob, how are you?
Great.
Thanks.
Nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you.
That's Jacob.
This one is Amy.
Oops.
Ooh, Amy, you have the sameproblem I have today.
(23:17):
Crazy hair.
My hair is always doing thingslike that.
It's such a pleasure to meet youand everyone.
Hi.
Hello, Amy.
Thanks for stopping by.
Kellie Frasier (23:29):
So that was Amy.
And then this one is Sarah.
Sarah is a little moreboisterous, has a definite
opinion about her life.
Don't you, Sarah?
Speaker 5 (23:36):
I sure do.
I really, really enjoy living,but I love God so much.
Sounds to me, Sarah, like you'reliving your more.
Is that, is that how?
Oh, I like that.
Don't you?
I sure do.
Yes.
I like living my more for sure.
You and I would be good friends.
I'm sure.
Nice to meet you.
Kellie Frasier (23:56):
All right.
So that, that's what happened tothis girl.
I go from being thisprofessional coach and teaching
other coaches.
And it was incredible to doingthese puppets.
And to me, From the pridestandpoint, you went from up
here to way down here, right?
Nobody wanted to talk to me.
People didn't understand me.
They thought I had lost my mindtelling me not to do these
(24:19):
things.
I could not do it.
But now you understand why I hadto get up the courage to truly
be humble enough to do what Godwas asking me to do.
And so today we have thisincredible team and yeah, it's
amazing.
Vona Johnson (24:36):
That is amazing.
I love that.
To me, the message there is thatwe do what God tells us to do,
even when it doesn't make sense,especially when it doesn't make
sense.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Right.
Vona Johnson (24:48):
Um, and if it always makes exact sense, then
we might not be hearing himquite right.
Kellie Frasier (24:54):
Yeah.
And I would agree with that ahundred percent.
I also think that in our minds,we want things quickly, right?
We expect things to go quickly.
I thought, because.
The trajectory in that firstyear took off.
I thought that this was going tobe, you know, incredible.
This is how it was going to befor the rest of my life.
You know, that's not whathappened.
(25:15):
And God was trying to get me tothink bigger.
God was not the one who did allthose things, right?
He was not the one whoperpetrated any of it.
However, in order to get me tothink bigger, I had to go
through those things becausethen I became a totally
different person.
I went from someone who, youknow, I guess you would say meek
(25:36):
to someone who I still feelmeek, but I feel very convicted
that God is leading all of thisand nothing can stop it.
I truly feel unstoppable withthis, even though I'm retirement
age, you know, but It truly is.
It's his and he's going to takeit wherever he wants it.
Vona Johnson (25:57):
But I think you hit on it though because I've
had people tell me that the showshouldn't be called Courageous
Retirement because we shouldn'tretire.
We should keep doing.
And my point is, I'm speaking topeople who have worked their
whole lives for retirement.
And I want people to realizethat that's not the end.
It's the beginning.
(26:18):
We have more freedom now to dowhat God calls us to do.
Some people start that wayearlier in their careers and
don't ever really officiallyretire.
But We aren't done until he'sdone with us.
And that, so when, when thatday, when we have the big
celebration and you walk out thedoor with your gold watch or
whatever, um, that's, I mean,yes, it's retirement because
(26:40):
we're, we're collecting therewards from that investment of
those years.
But now we get to shift how welook at life.
We get to shift how we use thoseresources that he's provided us.
We have the freedom to go dowhat he wants us to do.
The line that you helped mediscover is we answer God's call
(27:01):
to more, which is exactly what Ithink courageous retirement is,
whatever that looks like foreach of us.
Beautiful.
Yeah.
You
Kellie Frasier (27:10):
actually gave me chills when you were talking
about that.
Hey friends.
Don't you just love Kelly'sstory and the message that she
has to share all the goodnessthat she has to share.
We, as you already know, had awonderful conversation about
how.
Fetch the goodness came to be.
And she's hinted along the waythat not everyone was on board
(27:30):
with her going off and startingthis new, crazy venture.
Because the interview went on,as long as it did, I decided to
cut this into two episodes.
So I am going to stop ourinterview right here.
And I'm going to invite you backin two weeks to hear the rest of
the story about how.
Kelly's family.
Wasn't on board and herbeautiful perspective on how to
(27:56):
allow God to work out thosedetails.
It was really eyeopening for me.
And I truly hope that you willcome back to hear the rest of
Kelly's amazing wisdom on how tofetch the goodness.
Until Then I pray that you willengage your faith, live your
more, and really reap thebenefits of courageous
retirement.
(28:16):
See, in a couple of weeks.
We were talking about courageous retirement and
(00:02):
I threw out the comment thatpeople think that courageous
means you go jump out of planesand skydive and tightrope
walking and it's not about thatat all; it's about having the
courage to speak truth and love.
And you were like, well, maybenot, and you shared that what I
was saying, it wasn't wasexactly what it was for you.
(00:25):
So you tipped that upside downfor me.
And I want to explore that alittle bit because again,
everybody's journey isdifferent.
Do you fear what lies beyondretirement?
What if it's a gateway to a lifefilled with purpose, meaning,
and adventure rather than anend?
Discover peace and fulfillmentas you boldly enter this new
chapter in CourageousRetirement, a Christian podcast.
(00:46):
I'm your host, author and coach,Vona Johnson.
Let's get started.
You would be, I would guess ofretirement age, but certainly
are not retired.
And I think that's what it's allabout.
So let's talk about that for afew minutes.
How did God help you build thecourage to do what you're doing?
Kellie Frasier (01:04):
Yeah, it's first of all, thank you very much for
having me here.
I'm very excited about it.
And it's always great to see myfriend Vona.
So, yeah, I think the mostpowerful thing that God ever did
to strike my life in a way thatwas so profound.
I could not not do what I'mdoing today.
There's a couple thingsactually.
First one was a brain injuryback in 2007.
(01:26):
that brain injury could havetaken me out just like, you
know, anybody else's braininjury can take them out, but it
didn't six months into thehealing of that, God totally,
radically healed me one morning.
Well, it was in the middle ofthe night, sort of, because
everything was black around me.
But After that healing tookplace, I began to, truly
(01:47):
understand things on a differentlevel.
Like he literally laid outvisions for me right in front of
my face and I've never hadvisions before.
I did not understand what washappening.
But when I did understand, hesaid, trust me, because I asked
him like, in my mind, how can abrain injured person do any of
this?
And that's when he said thosetwo words, trust me.
And I knew I had a decision tomake, okay, yes, I can, or no, I
(02:10):
don't want to, right?
So making the decision to say,yes, I will.
That was the trajectory that Ineeded to be able to go and do
courageous things because I wasnot courageous.
One of you knew me before thatbrain injury.
My husband, my children,everybody will tell you I am a
completely different individual.
Sad for them, I'm sure, becauseI was totally different.
(02:32):
Very, very, introverted, veryembarrassed about all kinds of
things, very insecure, verysubconscious, self conscious.
I mean, it was just a totallydifferent life.
So today, after that happened, Ibegan to pursue things that he
would bring up.
I went right into working withtop marketers of the world, you
(02:54):
know, and I'm like, how did Iget here?
Top authors in the world.
Like, how did I get here?
Right.
I kept asking that question, butI knew when God said, trust me,
I had to trust him.
And because of that decision,that's where the courage came
from.
Vona Johnson (03:09):
So when you were working with these top authors
and marketers or whatever, whatkinds of things were, I mean,
did you have a background inthat or was that all new too?
Kellie Frasier (03:16):
Oh, everything was new.
Absolutely.
Everything was new, but God keptbringing these divine
connections into my life.
And I have to say though, notall of them were Christian based
or kingdom based.
Most of them actually were moreof the new age.
And I was just like, Oh, this isso not where I want to be.
I just knew it internally thatthere was something off, right?
(03:38):
And so come to 2017, that waswhen God asked me to do a 40 day
fast.
And I was like, what?
Now people say, okay, wait asecond.
How does God ask you to do a 40day fast?
And this is, this is anotherwhole podcast probably, but when
you hear the voice of God, whichI've heard since I was a little
kid, um, I have always knownwhen God speaks to me, because I
(04:02):
would certainly never say, Hmm,well, let me just go ahead and
do a 40 day fast today.
Like who says that?
Right?
So when I heard this in myspirit, I, it shocked me.
I'm standing in front of mycabinet door.
I have two pantry doors thatwere opened and I was standing
there looking again for like the15th time that day for a snack.
And that's when the Lord said,To do a 40 day fast.
(04:25):
Well, what ended up happeningwith that is I invited a couple
of friends on Facebook to joinme, to keep me accountable, to
actually doing this fast.
People ask all the time, whatkind of fast was it?
Was it just straight water?
You know?
No, it wasn't.
I could drink broth, which I dida lot.
Um, I even had a smoothie everynow and then, but food, solid
(04:45):
food.
I stayed away from for 23 days.
I made it to the 23 day point,but God had taught me so much
during that time that thatFacebook.
page went from, I think it was,I had two, two friends and it
went immediately to 800 friends.
Then it went to thousands offriends because anyways, long
story, I no longer, yeah, it is.
(05:05):
But because I was following andobeying what God was asking me
to do, right.
So now God asked me to dosomething totally radically
different.
And I'll explain that in aminute.
But before I do, this is whereyou and I were talking and you
were saying, I don't thinkpeople need to go and jump out
of airplanes and all that.
And I went, I do.
(05:27):
I totally did all of that.
I flew over a rainforest at, youknow, I don't know how many
miles per hour, 75 miles perhour on a zipline.
I went upside down.
I jumped out of a plane twice.
I mean, I did so many crazythings.
You just can't even imagine.
And And I'm in my sixties, okay,but I'm doing these things
because I was so afraid of whatGod was asking me to do, that I
(05:51):
was going to not just jump outof an airplane, but I was going
to jump out of his will.
That was what I was afraid of.
And so I kept running towardthose things that made me feel
more brave, more strong, morecourageous, seriously, that's
how I felt.
So I don't know if that answersyour question, but yeah, that's
what I was doing.
Vona Johnson (06:11):
It definitely answered my question and, just
wow, um, 40 days fast.
I, I'm dabbling in intermittentfasting now.
And, 17, 20 hours seem dauntingto me.
I've been doing it and it's, andI actually really enjoy it, but
40 days.
That's, that's impressive.
(06:31):
So I love that, you know, you, Imean, it's that, that God's
talking to you.
And I have a, I have a strongsense that that's because you're
listening.
Can you talk a little bit abouthow you've shut the noise from
the world off so you can hearhim tell you those things?
(06:52):
Yeah,
Kellie Frasier (06:53):
that's a great question.
So I don't shut the world out.
Here's what's really interestingabout that.
God does say to be still andknow.
Now he's not, he's notnecessarily telling you to turn
everything off around you andjust be quiet.
I don't think that that, atleast that was not my
interpretation.
My interpretation was.
from the life of Jesus, watchingwhat Jesus did.
(07:15):
There were times when he pulledaway and it was just he and the
father, right?
But most of the time he wasliterally with everybody The
time with the people that he hadaround him.
So for my interpretation of it,it was the fact that I could
still listen and be still in myspirit.
And I think that's thedifference that most people
(07:37):
think that.
They can't be doing anything,you know, out here because
there's just a lot going on andit's stressful and there's a lot
of anxiety.
For me, if you, I wish thatthere was some kind of a weight
that we could put on this for ameasurement.
But if you countered how muchanxiety I hold on to compared to
the average person, mymeasurement would be pretty low
(08:00):
because.
That's where that stillnesscomes in.
I trust the Lord.
I lean on him, not for my ownunderstanding, but for his, and
I believe the willingness that Ihave to obey him.
That's the key right there forme.
That's why I believe that I hearhim probably more than the
average person does, but can hetalk to all of us?
(08:20):
Absolutely.
Does he absolutely, but not allof us are willing to listen to
that voice,
Vona Johnson (08:26):
right?
Do you find that being in theword I mean, to me, that's a
game changer.
That's, that's where I hear him.
That's where I get the ideas ofwhat to even listen for
sometimes, if that makes sense.
Is that your experience as well?
(08:46):
100%.
Kellie Frasier (08:47):
Yeah.
It's my husband and I were justtalking about this the other
night.
So if you want to become anairplane pilot, you have a
manual, you have instructions,you have.
Coaches, you got people thereteaching you how to fly this
airplane.
But if you ignore the manual,ignore the instruction that
people are giving you who havehad the experience and succeed
at it, then you're going to gonowhere.
Right.
Or you could possibly crash andburn.
(09:09):
And that is something I've knownsince probably since I was a
little girl, but.
Having to relearn everythingafter the brain injury, I knew
that there was somethinginternal that had to shift in
me.
Now, when I created thatFacebook page to keep me
accountable, that actuallyturned into a Bible study.
That's where the Lord wasleading me with that 40 day
(09:32):
fast.
So every morning at 6 30 AMEastern time, I was up and I
went live on Facebook.
And this is why that wholeprocess grew so quickly because
people were hungry and theystill are today, even more so.
Right.
And so that Bible study becamemy personal study so that I
could learn.
(09:52):
And I was simply sharing it withthe people in that Facebook
group.
That's all I was doing.
So little by little, they beganto ask questions.
My family members were kind ofjumping on, like my in laws were
jumping in there and asking mequestions and because everybody
thought.
This girl's bizarre.
Like I want to know why she's soweird, you know, like, what is
it about her?
That's making her get up everysingle day at 6:30 in the
(10:14):
morning and doing this foryears.
And literally I go into a hotelroom where the bathroom was so
big and I would put my computerup on a shelf.
I'd have one foot up on theshower, the other arm over here.
And that's how I was doing myBible study.
Cause I would not miss it.
Now, having that muchdedication, I think that came
(10:36):
from doing all those things likejumping out of airplanes and
doing zip line over Mexicanrainforest and things like that.
I think that's where it camefrom.
It taught me endurance.
Vona Johnson (10:47):
Yeah.
I love that.
No, I, I didn't realize that.
So that's, that's very cool.
So, when we met, you were juststarting.
this project and I'm going tohave you tell us about it, but I
think it's also interestingbecause when I talk about
courageous retirement, I'm, Ibring it into the context of,
(11:10):
you know, God laid this desireon your heart.
It's something maybe you'vedreamed about your whole life.
Go do this thing.
And you're like, well, notexactly.
I had to come into this kickingand screaming, right?
Exactly.
So you turned that philosophyupside down, too.
So let's talk about your projectand how God brought you into
(11:32):
that kicking and screaming.
Kellie Frasier (11:34):
All right.
Well, again, this is anothercool story of God's because it's
not mine.
Um, uh, he sent me to Israel andhow does God send you somewhere?
Well, scripture talks a lotabout that.
And when he says to go, that yougo, when he sends you, he sends
you right.
Um, that we are to send theangels.
I mean, that's what scripturesays.
And so I'm making my bed one dayand I heard the word Israel.
(11:57):
Now I heard it four times inthat one day, and I just could
not understand why I would haveto go to Israel.
I did not.
did not fathom that Israel wouldever be a place that I would go.
Most Christians would love to goto Israel, right?
You've probably even had it.
I do.
I can't wait.
Most people do, but not thisgirl.
I was like, that is not whereI'm going to go.
(12:17):
Well, I did.
And was it life altering?
Yes, but not in the ways thatmost people find going to Israel
life altering.
It was very, very different forme.
It was very difficult for me tobe there.
And so when I came back, I'm noteven going to go into that
story, but it is, it was lifealtering.
Okay.
But when I returned, my daughterwho was pregnant, she lives in
(12:40):
Guelph, Canada.
She went into labor.
And so when I got home, I flewimmediately to Canada and,
Beautiful baby boy was born andit was amazing experience.
And when I was in his room, Godwoke me up in the middle of the
night.
And once again, just like what Ihad mentioned about, the healing
(13:02):
of the brain injury, the sameexact thing happened.
He woke me up saying these wordsand then showing me like TV
screens of what it was that hewanted.
I was like, what is this?
Like, I did not understand it.
Cause look at that particulartime on it, I was a life coach.
I had been a life coach for 15years.
(13:22):
That was something that Iabsolutely loved, right?
I'd written several books.
I was public speaking.
I was doing all these things.
And to me doing those things wasdoing what God wanted me to do.
But God had a totally differentplan.
And so fetch the goodness waswhat he named it.
My husband, I shared with himthese visions and this, you
(13:43):
know, this whole thing.
And, and we're driving, this wasjust before COVID shut the
border down, right?
We were one hour away from theborder and one hour they were
going to shut the border down.
So we were hustling for all wewere worth to get And I was
telling my husband, I look outthe window because he said to
me, what are you supposed tocall this thing?
Anyways, he wasn't happy aboutit.
(14:03):
Believe me.
I wasn't happy about it either.
Yeah.
And so I look out the window andI said, yes, Lord, what are we
supposed to call this thing?
And before I finished thequestion, and that happens a lot
with me before I finished thequestion, he said, fetch the
goodness.
And I said, fetch like inthrowing a dog a bone.
That was the only thing I couldthink of.
(14:24):
And he said, no, to return mychildren to me.
That's what he said.
Oh, I, I immediately got chills.
As soon as I say that, everysingle time I say that, I get
chills.
So I totally understand it.
And that was where everythingchanged.
My entire life changed.
He said, shut down.
The coaching company.
Totally get, just do fetch thegoodness you're gonna have this
(14:46):
woman come in and help you.
I mean, it was one thing afteranother.
And I will tell you what heshowed me in the vision.
I didn't say that earlier, but Iwill tell you what he showed me.
The first was a television showfor children that had puppets.
I couldn't stand puppets.
I was like, I am not apuppeteer.
Like, God, why are you showingme this?
That doesn't make any sense.
(15:07):
You know, the second one wasparents who were praising Jesus
because they learned from theirchildren who were watching these
shows and and learning from thecurriculum.
Then the third was a televisionnetwork to which I translated as
YouTube, because there ain't noway this girl's going to be on
TV.
Right?
So this is, this is where mybrain was at the time.
(15:28):
So having all of this in myview, I, every day, this young
lady and I, we would come ontothe kitchen floor and we would
kneel down or we'd be at thetable and we'd be praying about
it.
And this is what we would do.
We would hold our hands out andwould say, Lord, fill us today,
whatever it is that you want foryour children to know, let us
know what it is and we'll go doit.
(15:49):
And that's how, within the firstyear, you guys, this is so hard
to imagine, but within the firstyear we had 70 shows.
We were up on our televisionnetwork.
We had a creative, beautiful,wonderful team of people helping
us.
Um, we, it was just amazing whatGod did.
So yeah, that, that's the powerbehind hearing God's voice.
(16:10):
And listen, when I said thatWhat, before I even spoke the
words, God had alreadyresponded.
That's what scripture says.
That's what he promises.
Cause he knows your thoughts.
He knows everything about you.
Even the hairs on your head,even the ones that stick
straight up on a, we all know isretire.
He knows about all of that.
(16:33):
Right?
And so the power of himresponding to you before you
even get the question out, youknow, you're on the right path.
You know, you're on the rightpath.
Vona Johnson (16:43):
Yeah, I love that.
You know, and I often talkabout, I mean, we've been back
and forth so many times and, andfor me, when I retired and
started my business, and I'vetalked about how, you know, it's
like, it felt like a failure.
I mean, everything I trieddidn't come to the fruition that
I thought it should.
(17:04):
And I now know that that wasbecause he had a bigger plan for
me and he needed me to be To letgo of so many of the idols that
I had accumulated along the wayand in my identity of who I am
and who I should be.
And, and that money was a bigone to let go of.
(17:25):
And the best way to help me letgo of it was to not have fruit.
financial fruit from the thingsI was doing.
And somewhere mine, mine wasn'tlike a one night thing, but
somewhere along the way, I justrealized that he's already
provided everything I need andmore.
(17:47):
And that.
The most important thing for meto do is just like you said,
every morning, get up and say,okay, God, what are we going to
do today?
What, where, where do I need tofocus my attention?
And there is so much joy and somuch freedom in just being able
to, to respond when he saysthat.
(18:08):
Some days are busier thanothers.
Some days it feels like, huh, Iguess we're just going to hang
out for a while today, huh, God?
Not that that happens veryoften.
But.
But there's just so much peacein not having to worry about
doing it right or, or making,um, I don't know, the numbers.
(18:32):
We get so wrapped up in thenumbers, even, even when we're
not talking about financialgain.
If I put out, uh, an encouragingpost or I write a book or
whatever, it's so easy to say,Oh, you know, I put out a
podcast episode, only 10 peoplelistened.
And, and I somehow.
(18:52):
When I did my first podcast,when that would happen, I would
just be like, Oh, man, do I, amI even doing what God wants me
to do?
And now it's like, don't care.
All I know is I'm doing whathe's asked me to do.
Some days I don't even know whatthe show's going to be about the
day I get out of bed, but heshows me.
And, and I know that it's betterthan anything I could have, you
(19:14):
know, forced myself to do.
So what came up for me as I'mtalking and as you were talking
before, and our pastor justtalked about it at church the
other night, is when theIsraelites were in Egypt and God
provided for them, he providedthem manna, he gave them their
daily bread.
We say it in our, our prayerevery day.
(19:35):
He will give us what we needwhen we need it.
And we don't have to worry abouttomorrow's bread or tomorrow's
income or anything each day asit comes.
Right?
Kellie Frasier (19:48):
I will tell you that I never had that piece that
surpasses understanding while Iwas going through this
experience because I think I wasso focused on What identity are
you trying to give your childrenthrough me?
(20:09):
And so that was not comfortablefor me.
That was very much a, you know,it wasn't stressful, but it was
just a very, um, I don't know, Ican't even explain it.
It's hard to articulate becauseunless you're in that position,
you don't really know what itwould be like.
Right.
And so I think that piece comes.
(20:30):
on occasion when you have theability to hear God's voice.
Let me give you an example.
Okay.
So during 2022, everything gotdemolished.
Our website, our,, our bankaccount got fleeced.
I mean, it was one thing afteranother.
Our entire team got COVID.
People lost their jobs.
I mean, it was just wreakinghavoc in our entire team.
(20:53):
Uh, arena of fetch the goodness.
And so eventually,, our creativedirector left as did most of the
team members because they lostjobs.
They couldn't do this anymore.
And you know, it was allvolunteer, including myself,
we're all volunteers, right?
And so I just kind of threw upmy hands.
I said, okay, Lord, I'm notanxious about this, but I just
know that you're going to bringit back to fruition again.
(21:15):
And I'm just going to let itlie.
So I did for about a year and ahalf.
And when it came back, it cameback with a flood, like he told
me again in vision, he drew itall out for me, told me exactly
what needed to happen.
So that was when we again,remember I'm in my sixties, I'm
ready to retire.
And I'm just like, now you wantme to be.
(21:36):
Build a TV studio.
Like it just went from one thingto the next.
We ended up that summer.
We wrote curriculum for grades Kthrough six, um, teaching
children how to seek theiridentity in the kingdom of God.
When the Lord says to seek hiskingdom with all of our heart
and his righteousness, that'shuge.
(21:57):
And then all things will beadded unto us.
That's exactly what he means.
And so knowing this That's whatI did.
I just saw him all the time andlittle by little, all these
things just kept being addedonto us.
Right?
So now we have TV shows,animated cartoons, curriculum,
the puppets, the puppets was themain issue for me because I was
(22:20):
not a puppeteer.
I did not know how to do it.
And all of a sudden we'reworking with Melissa and Doug
toys, which is a huge companyhere in I think they're in
Canada too.
Yes.
So they have puppets.
And so those were the puppetsthat we began to use.
Now they get, gave us permissionto use those puppets until we
(22:40):
kind of got a little bit more,you know, famous, so to speak.
And then we had to create ourown totally acceptable and
understandable.
I get it.
Um, so we created our own, butthese instead of little tiny 12
inchers, we use moppets.
We had large, you
Speaker 5 (22:54):
said you have them there.
Let's certainly.
All right.
Hi, I'm Jacob.
Jacob, how are you?
Great.
Thanks.
Nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you.
That's Jacob.
This one is Amy.
Oops.
Ooh, Amy, you have the sameproblem I have today.
(23:17):
Crazy hair.
My hair is always doing thingslike that.
It's such a pleasure to meet youand everyone.
Hi.
Hello, Amy.
Thanks for stopping by.
Kellie Frasier (23:29):
So that was Amy.
And then this one is Sarah.
Sarah is a little moreboisterous, has a definite
opinion about her life.
Don't you, Sarah?
Speaker 5 (23:36):
I sure do.
I really, really enjoy living,but I love God so much.
Sounds to me, Sarah, like you'reliving your more.
Is that, is that how?
Oh, I like that.
Don't you?
I sure do.
Yes.
I like living my more for sure.
You and I would be good friends.
I'm sure.
Nice to meet you.
Kellie Frasier (23:56):
All right.
So that, that's what happened tothis girl.
I go from being thisprofessional coach and teaching
other coaches.
And it was incredible to doingthese puppets.
And to me, From the pridestandpoint, you went from up
here to way down here, right?
Nobody wanted to talk to me.
People didn't understand me.
They thought I had lost my mindtelling me not to do these
(24:19):
things.
I could not do it.
But now you understand why I hadto get up the courage to truly
be humble enough to do what Godwas asking me to do.
And so today we have thisincredible team and yeah, it's
amazing.
Vona Johnson (24:36):
That is amazing.
I love that.
To me, the message there is thatwe do what God tells us to do,
even when it doesn't make sense,especially when it doesn't make
sense.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Right.
Vona Johnson (24:48):
Um, and if it always makes exact sense, then
we might not be hearing himquite right.
Kellie Frasier (24:54):
Yeah.
And I would agree with that ahundred percent.
I also think that in our minds,we want things quickly, right?
We expect things to go quickly.
I thought, because.
The trajectory in that firstyear took off.
I thought that this was going tobe, you know, incredible.
This is how it was going to befor the rest of my life.
You know, that's not whathappened.
(25:15):
And God was trying to get me tothink bigger.
God was not the one who did allthose things, right?
He was not the one whoperpetrated any of it.
However, in order to get me tothink bigger, I had to go
through those things becausethen I became a totally
different person.
I went from someone who, youknow, I guess you would say meek
(25:36):
to someone who I still feelmeek, but I feel very convicted
that God is leading all of thisand nothing can stop it.
I truly feel unstoppable withthis, even though I'm retirement
age, you know, but It truly is.
It's his and he's going to takeit wherever he wants it.
Vona Johnson (25:57):
But I think you hit on it though because I've
had people tell me that the showshouldn't be called Courageous
Retirement because we shouldn'tretire.
We should keep doing.
And my point is, I'm speaking topeople who have worked their
whole lives for retirement.
And I want people to realizethat that's not the end.
It's the beginning.
(26:18):
We have more freedom now to dowhat God calls us to do.
Some people start that wayearlier in their careers and
don't ever really officiallyretire.
But We aren't done until he'sdone with us.
And that, so when, when thatday, when we have the big
celebration and you walk out thedoor with your gold watch or
whatever, um, that's, I mean,yes, it's retirement because
(26:40):
we're, we're collecting therewards from that investment of
those years.
But now we get to shift how welook at life.
We get to shift how we use thoseresources that he's provided us.
We have the freedom to go dowhat he wants us to do.
The line that you helped mediscover is we answer God's call
(27:01):
to more, which is exactly what Ithink courageous retirement is,
whatever that looks like foreach of us.
Beautiful.
Yeah.
You
Kellie Frasier (27:10):
actually gave me chills when you were talking
about that.
Hey friends.
Don't you just love Kelly'sstory and the message that she
has to share all the goodnessthat she has to share.
We, as you already know, had awonderful conversation about
how.
Fetch the goodness came to be.
And she's hinted along the waythat not everyone was on board
(27:30):
with her going off and startingthis new, crazy venture.
Because the interview went on,as long as it did, I decided to
cut this into two episodes.
So I am going to stop ourinterview right here.
And I'm going to invite you backin two weeks to hear the rest of
the story about how.
Kelly's family.
Wasn't on board and herbeautiful perspective on how to
(27:56):
allow God to work out thosedetails.
It was really eyeopening for me.
And I truly hope that you willcome back to hear the rest of
Kelly's amazing wisdom on how tofetch the goodness.
Until Then I pray that you willengage your faith, live your
more, and really reap thebenefits of courageous
retirement.
(28:16):
See, in a couple of weeks.
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