December 1, 2025 • 29 mins
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What if “I’m too young for that” is the one belief aging your skin faster than time? We pull back the curtain on preventative skincare and aesthetics, showing how small, consistent steps today make a massive difference in texture, tone, and confidence tomorrow. With Lindsay hosting alongside Daimie and Claudia from Couture Med Med, we explore real routines, honest results, and practical ways to start without overwhelm or sticker shock.
We break down the simplest, most effective foundation: a gentle cleanser, daily broad-spectrum sunscreen, and one purposeful active. From there, we map approachable treatment paths that build results without big downtime. Think signature facials and HydraFacial for congestion and glow, chemical peels to even tone, and SkinPen microneedling to smooth acne scars and pores. Claudia shares her shift from tanning beds and harsh drugstore cleansers to a calm, consistent routine that finally cleared breakouts and softened texture, proving consistency beats intensity.
Curious about neurotoxins? We explain why light Botox or Dysport can prevent expression lines from settling, how a lip flip adds shape without filler, and why personal preference matters—some love Dysport’s quick onset, others prefer Botox’s feel. We also dive into lasers: IPL for sun spots, redness, and acne discoloration, and fractional resurfacing to build collagen and refine texture. Living in a sunny climate like Florida? We talk timing, sunscreen, and realistic expectations so your results last.
Whether you’re 21 or 61, there’s always a smart place to start. Begin with skincare, try a facial, consider IPL, and add microneedling or a conservative neurotoxin plan when you’re ready. Prevention is easier than correction, and pairing treatments with the right products stretches every result. Subscribe, share this with a friend who says they’re “too young,” and leave a review telling us the one change you’ll make this week.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:14):
Welcome back to Kotura Conversations.
Today we're talking aboutsomething we hear all the time
in the skincare and aestheticsworld.
Saying people saying, I don'tneed to do that yet, or I'm too
young for that treatment.
But we're here to shift thatmindset because preventative
skincare and aesthetictreatments are not about fixing
something that's wrong, butthey're about maintaining skin
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health long term.
I'm your host, Lindsay, leadaesthetician here at Kutor
Medspa, and I am joined byDamie, one of our aestheticians
at our Obedito locations, andClaudia, our practice
administrator, who has also hadour own personal skincare
journey that she's going toshare with today.
So welcome Claudia and Damie.
SPEAKER_02 (00:52):
Hi.
SPEAKER_01 (00:52):
Are you excited?
SPEAKER_02 (00:54):
Yeah, so excited.
SPEAKER_01 (00:56):
Alright, so let's start with the big question.
Why do we encourage people tostart their skincare treatments
before seeing visible signs ofaging?
SPEAKER_02 (01:04):
I think mostly because it's harder to fix
something when it's alreadypopped up rather than preventing
it.
Um, for example, like age spotsor spine lines, wrinkles, even
like acne scarring while you'regoing through an acne journey,
just kind of taking like thoseextra steps so that way you
don't maybe have scars in thefuture, or if like I'm 24 and I
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still do my retinol, mytretinoin, and stuff, just
because in the future I don'twant to have those spine lines,
wrinkles, pores.
Um, so I think it's better toprevent something than go and
correct it.
SPEAKER_01 (01:40):
Claudia, what would you say as far as someone who so
Damie is our esthetician comingfrom more of the um like she's
in the treatment room seeingclients all day?
What do you see as far asclients coming in?
Um, do you see a trend ofyounger clients or do you get a
lot of clients still that arelike, oh, I don't need to do
that yet?
What is what does that trendlook like in?
SPEAKER_00 (02:00):
Definitely a lot of clients that are younger that
don't think they need it.
I feel like especially beingaround like UCF, like so close
to like a college, they're like,no, like I don't need sunscreen,
I don't need this or that.
So I feel like that's definitelylike a struggle in that area of
where the younger clients don'tthink that they need it.
SPEAKER_01 (02:19):
Do you ever hear older clients be like, man, I
wish I would have startedyounger?
SPEAKER_00 (02:22):
All the time, every single day.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (02:25):
So what would you say?
Are there any commonmisconceptions about starting
early?
SPEAKER_02 (02:31):
I think that they're gonna um get used to it.
That's like the the first onethat they say, like, oh, I'm
gonna get used to it, or like itwon't work for me now in like 10
years, especially like ifthey're doing like an injectable
or something too.
Um, but they're always like, Oh,well, it it won't work for me if
I if I use it all the time.
Like, actually, no, like it'sstill gonna work.
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Um, and there's differentprotocols when we're preventing
something rather than going andcorrecting something.
SPEAKER_00 (02:57):
Yeah, or that if they start now, it's gonna look
bad like in the future.
Like they think they have towait until like they actually
need it.
SPEAKER_01 (03:03):
Yeah.
So, what would be some of yourday meets?
So you're more in like thetreatment room, or you get a
client for the first time, saythey're coming in and they're
getting a free facial.
Um, and like you said, you guyswork near UCF, which if you guys
anyone doesn't know UCF is oneof the colleges here in Central
Florida.
So they do tend to get a lot ofyounger clients, they get more
of that younger clientele.
(03:24):
Um, sometimes we do get thatlittle like free facial points
and stuff, so they might seesome of those girls coming in.
Or for those, what's somethingthat you would talk through
them, you know, as far assomeone being like, Oh, I don't
need to do that yet?
What's kind of a good, easy,like simple start of getting
into preventative skincare?
SPEAKER_02 (03:43):
I say I kind of ask them first, what's your skincare
like now?
Like, what are you using now tokind of gauge like what they're
at and what they kind of want todo?
Um, and I think preventativekind of like okay, what kind of
type of cleanser are we using?
I always kind of start them onlike a cleanser and definitely a
sunscreen, and um also like anexfoliating cleanser because
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that makes such a bigdifference.
And I feel like for us, it's theexfoliating cleanser um is like
the gateway, they see such a bigdifference, like their skin's
gonna look so much brighter, um,the texture is gonna be so much
smoother, and they're like, Oh,this is something that I'm using
now, then what else can I beusing?
And it's only gonna work more.
I think that's a good one kindof asking like their skincare
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routine.
SPEAKER_01 (04:27):
So, what did Claudia?
What when you first started atCouture, did you have a skincare
routine?
SPEAKER_00 (04:33):
No, I used clean and clear face wash, and that was
it.
So burned my skin.
I thought that was so good.
I was like, it's burning all theacne.
It's burning, right?
Gosh, imagine leaving her friendand acne.
No moisture answer, nosunscreen, no nothing.
Just face wash.
SPEAKER_01 (04:49):
So we'll go into your full like journey in a
little bit, but what what didyou when you first started
working at Kutort, what wasthere anything that kind of
changed your mindset to be like,okay, maybe I should start doing
something?
SPEAKER_00 (05:03):
Yeah.
Um they would always make me doa VIZIA.
That was so embarrassing.
I was like, okay, I have to dosomething to change this.
SPEAKER_01 (05:10):
Okay, so I'll stop you real quick.
So for anyone who doesn't know,can you explain what Vizia is?
SPEAKER_00 (05:14):
It's a deep skin analysis.
Um, it kind of takes a deeperlook into your skin um and then
rates you on a couple differentthings like sun damage, spots,
wrinkles.
SPEAKER_01 (05:24):
Um so what do you remember what your um what your
number was?
SPEAKER_00 (05:30):
I was like what 20 or 21 when I started, and my
true skin age was probably like25 or 26.
And I was like, oh wow, that'sembarrassing.
SPEAKER_01 (05:37):
So we were working on correction at that point.
SPEAKER_00 (05:39):
They would always make me anytime someone knew
came, I would be the one thatthey would like train on.
I'm like, oh perfect.
SPEAKER_01 (05:46):
What was the um what was like the first thing you
started on?
Did you start with skincare ordid you jump right into like
lasers and stuff?
SPEAKER_00 (05:53):
Um, I feel like I started with skincare.
I was too scared to do thelasers at first.
Um and then like facials too.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (06:00):
So Damie, for someone who because I feel like
a lot of people do, yeah,jumping right into lasers for a
lot of people is veryintimidating.
And that I feel like is whereyou definitely get more of the
people that are like, oh, Idon't need to do that yet.
Like I'm not, I'm not ready forlasers.
Um when you see someone Damien,what are some kind of what's a
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what are some good facials thatyou recommend for for clients
who are just starting out?
SPEAKER_02 (06:25):
Yeah, so always our couture facial is just our
staring at your facial, and itkind of gives me a look into
what I'm dealing with and umwhere the clients at and what
they do, then I always kind ofsee from there what they're
willing to do too.
So if it's more someone likestruggling with acne um or just
congested skin, always likehydrofacial.
Um, I love people coming and dolike fire and ice too because
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it's kind of like a way thatit's more corrective, but they
also get like that spa side.
Um, and then it depending ontheir commitment level, then I'm
like, okay, well, we're gonna doskin pen, we're gonna do
chemical peels.
So it's really kind of likewhere the clients at, um, but I
always start with like ourcouture or signature facial
because it's like okay, this issomething that's relaxing, but
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they know it's still gonna workevery day because it's still
like a really good deep cleanse.
I think that's a good one.
Did you start getting facial?
SPEAKER_00 (07:14):
I did, yeah.
Um I feel like we started withlike hydrofacials.
Yeah.
I just feel so clean afterwards,and I really struggle with like
blackheads and stuff, like mynose and my chin, like that
would always help with that.
SPEAKER_01 (07:31):
Get all that congestion, yeah, yeah.
Those are always really good.
So, do you feel like as far assomeone coming into couture,
what would be just because we dooffer so many things there, um,
you know, we have differentmembership options, different
things, what would be a go-tolike start for someone coming
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in?
More of not coming from like anesthetician side saying they
should do that, but if someonewas coming into couture and they
really say they're just comingin to see what we're doing
there, um, what what would be agood starting point for someone,
you think?
For like just in general, likeif someone is wanting, they're
like, okay, maybe I should startwith some maintenance.
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I should start.
Um, what what would be a goodstarting point for someone?
SPEAKER_00 (08:16):
I feel like facials and skincare, especially if
they're younger, that's probablylike the easiest thing to get
them on.
And then I feel like from thereit's kind of easier to get them
to do like lasers or like skinpen and stuff like that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (08:27):
Or even like enhanced, I think, too, because
you're really starting off withone laser.
You're getting, you're lookingat the you know, you're meeting
with the provider too, andthey're always gonna recommend
something skincare wise.
So you're kind of getting likethat little laser portion, and
then you're gonna getrecommended skincare, and then
you could always like add on afacial, and then they're like,
Oh, wait, well, like I want toadd on a facial, or we do so
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many like sign up for membershipand like try some some of our
other services.
So they always want to try afacial and then they love it,
and then they're like, Okay,wait, well, then I want to do
empower, I want to laser mywhole body, and then I want all
the skincare.
So I think enhance is a reallygood thing, too.
SPEAKER_01 (09:00):
Yeah, it just kind of allows everyone to like grow
with what we have.
Yeah, so Claudia, we'll get intoyour skin journey.
So tell us a little bit aboutbefore you started working at
Couture, even before when haveyou always struggled with skin
problems, or kind of what wasyour journey like before you
started at Couture?
SPEAKER_00 (09:20):
I probably started breaking out and having like a
lot of acne when I was like 11,12, like middle school.
Um, and then I did Accutane myfreshman year of high school,
and then like I stopped it, andthen like all the acne came
back, so like that didn't reallyhelp me.
And then I didn't I like neverreally had like a skincare, like
my mom was into like skincare oranything, so like all I knew was
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to like wash my face like atnight with like probably like
the cheapest face wash I couldfind.
So that's really all I did untilI was 21.
I started at Couture.
Um, but yeah, before Couture Ihad like no sort of skincare or
anything.
I would go to the beach becauseI knew like if I like laid out
in the sun, like fry all my acneoff, like no sunscreen, no
nothing.
I was like, Yeah, this willwork.
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Like, this is perfect.
SPEAKER_01 (10:04):
A lot of people have that misconception too.
I'm glad you said somethingabout that about the sun,
because a lot of people will belike, oh, when I go out in the
sun, and or if I go to thetanning bed, it it clears me up.
Yeah, and it's like at a certainpoint in the beginning, yeah,
it'll kind of it's gonna takeall that oil that's there and
dry it up, but in the long term,it's gonna make that skin health
even worse.
It's gonna cause that to comeback even worse.
(10:26):
Um, so yeah, I do hear thatmisconception a lot.
I'm like, oh I just go out inthe sun and I can't.
SPEAKER_00 (10:31):
Yeah, when I started at Kato, I had a tanning bed
membership, and Damien was onethat was like, You have got to
cancel that.
Like, please stop.
My skin was like so red, like itwas so bad.
So yeah, I canceled that.
SPEAKER_01 (10:45):
So then take us through at Katour.
What has that journey lookedlike for you?
What treatments have you done?
What products have you beenusing?
What are all your things?
SPEAKER_00 (10:54):
So when I started at Couture, I feel like I was right
when we like brought Tritonoinin.
And then I started usingTritinoin, and that did help.
Um, but it would just like dryme out too much.
So then um after that, I feellike when I started doing skin
pen.
I feel like right when webrought it in, you started to do
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skin pen.
I would do hydrofacials andstuff a lot with Damien before
we had skin pen, and then oncewe got skin pen, she convinced
me to do it.
And I feel like that's what likenow like my acne has like
cleared up pretty much.
Um, but I saw like scarring andstuff, so I feel like that is
what has made like the biggestdifference is skin pen.
Even peels.
We did a lot of skin.
SPEAKER_02 (11:31):
Yeah, oh my gosh, we did a lot of peels.
And especially when we broughton um even like the Avaji ones
and like had Citrain on them,she loved it because she kind of
likes, I think she likes thatfeeling of like it's burning our
skin, it's working.
SPEAKER_01 (11:46):
So I feel like okay, that thumbs up.
SPEAKER_02 (11:48):
So I was like, Okay, this is perfect for her because
she likes that feeling.
So I think that's also too howwe like maintain the acne um
with chemical peels too, andjust uh like at-home skincare.
Yeah, and then once we got ridof the acne, then skin done.
SPEAKER_00 (12:02):
Yeah, should we make it like an actual face wash?
Clean and cleaners like usingneutrinos.
I was like, I don't know whatshe's talking about, it works.
SPEAKER_02 (12:16):
Like, look hard at the moment you're obsessed with
a neutrinoma, like in the watermoisturizer.
SPEAKER_01 (12:25):
No, is it the hydropost?
Yes, that's my favorite, sothat's a bright tangent on this
one, real quick.
But that's my favorite one toalways kind of tell clients
like, is it the worst productout there?
No, but when you talk about likeso their biggest claim, like
there um is that it has it'shyaluronic acid.
It's hyaluronic acid's gonna beeverywhere.
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And if you look at the back ofit was their um, I think it was
the water burst moisturizer, butif you look at the back of the
label, like with theingredients, the very last
ingredient in it is hyaluronicacid, which means it has like
less than like one percent inthere, but they swear by it that
it's gonna be the most hydratingthing you can ever use on the
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side.
SPEAKER_00 (13:07):
I need to burn my skin to another genetic.
SPEAKER_01 (13:16):
Okay, so now since we're off of the Neutrogena,
what does your current skincareroutine look like?
What are you using?
SPEAKER_00 (13:22):
I recently started using the um R self cleanser,
and then I What do you loveabout that one?
I love that like it doesn't havelike a smell.
Like I anything with the smell Icannot do.
So I love that.
This like there's no fragrance.
I love that it gets like soapy.
I like I like some of thatfoams.
I don't like just like a gelcleanser.
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So I like that it foams.
Um and I just feel really likeclean after using it.
I feel like I don't need to likewash my face like twice when I
use it.
Um and then I use a toner afterum I used to use the porn
therapy when we had it.
Um and then I just use the TNSserum, no, the which one?
(14:10):
Serum treatment.
Is that the other one?
Yeah, yeah, so I use thatmorning and night.
And then sunscreen, the tintedsunscreen every day.
Yeah, I keep it pretty basic,but yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (14:26):
And that's I think a lot of people do sometimes
overcomplicate their skincare,and that's is sometimes why we
tend to get more red, moreirritated, and breakouts because
our skin is like what we do.
SPEAKER_00 (14:39):
Yeah, I think I'm so sensitive.
Like if I use like more thanlike three or four products,
like my skin is either burningor I I have a breakout.
SPEAKER_01 (14:47):
What results have you seen from doing
microneedling?
SPEAKER_00 (14:50):
Way less scarring.
I feel like not as many likepores, like I feel like my
texture just used to be so bad.
Like, even after my acne clearedup, I just still had a lot of
texture.
So that's definitely changed alot.
Um, I feel like my redness hasgotten better too.
Yeah, I'm not as red as I wasbefore.
SPEAKER_02 (15:06):
Um and then I think just overall, yeah, like her
complexion too, a lot more even,healthier skin.
Yeah, that's what I noticed withmine.
Like your skin just lookshealthier, like even glassy.
Like after you do skin pen, likea little glassy like the next
day.
I think that's like the most thepart that I want to see.
Yeah, uh, sometimes face is solike reflection, and I just love
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it.
SPEAKER_00 (15:29):
You probably have to like I kind of like like how
like red it is like see, I don'tknow why she likes that.
SPEAKER_02 (15:35):
Brings her back to her burning her face off.
SPEAKER_01 (15:40):
So on the um other end of it, I feel like a lot of
people too feel like they aretoo young to start neurotoxins.
So, do both of you either of youdo neurotoxins?
Yes, we do.
So, which ones, what's yourgo-to?
SPEAKER_02 (15:56):
So I love Discord, and I think I started doing
Discord when I was 21 or 22, andI think I I started light
though.
I just really did my foreheadlike in between my eyebrows.
Um, now that I know more, andit's not just for me either
about like preventative, alsojust overall like aesthetic.
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I do like my full face Discord,but even I remember yesterday,
like we had a client, they'relike, Yeah, I just wanted some
like baby Botox, like you know,I'm she think she was like 28 or
29.
She's like, I don't think I needlike need it right now.
And I think somebody was like,Yeah, I was just kind of like
explaining to her, like it is agood time to start now, just
kind of doing like that full onebecause we don't want those
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lines to come in, like three or11s in between your eyebrows.
I think that was like the thingshe was most worried about.
Um, and it's not gonna last aslong.
So I think people are scaredthat they're gonna, especially
with like a neurotoxin, thatthey're gonna look like plastic
and fake, but it's really notlike I know I could tell a
difference when I don't have myBotox or my Discord when with my
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movement coming back, but Ithink they're scared that
they're gonna be like frozen,frozen, frozen.
I don't think that's objective.
I think we're just trying totreat the areas and make the
client feel comfortable, butobviously we don't want to make
the client feel uncomfortableand step out of bounds, but
yeah, I when I tell clients Istart doing Botox when they're
like, You're a baby.
I'm like, Yeah, you don't needthat.
I'm like, but I'm sorry.
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Well, I'm like, okay, when whenyou see me when I'm 50, or like
you don't even have anymovement, I'm like, yeah,
because I do it.
SPEAKER_00 (17:24):
That's my favorite.
SPEAKER_01 (17:26):
People are like, you don't even look like you need
it.
SPEAKER_02 (17:28):
I'm like, yeah, yeah.
Really?
Especially in three months tohave a fun.
SPEAKER_01 (17:33):
So when you say full face boat, where all do you get
what areas do you get?
I do my forehead, my glabella.
SPEAKER_02 (17:41):
Um, I'm actually good.
I don't have to do my crowsright now.
Thank you, thanks to Ness eyecream.
Um and then I do like inbetween, like my bunny scrunch.
What else?
Lip flip, lip flip, vlog lipflip, gummy smile, master,
everything.
Did you like master?
Do you like master?
I like it, but I don't I do itmore aesthetic because like the
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facial slimming, not because Ihave like the jaw problem.
Um, but I like it moreaesthetic.
Well, I say like my bunnies.
I feel like it makes my noselike a little bit like smaller.
I don't know.
It could just be in my head, butI feel like you have a cute
nose, so what is it?
SPEAKER_00 (18:18):
Sarah.
SPEAKER_01 (18:22):
Claudia, what have you done?
SPEAKER_00 (18:23):
Um, I prefer Botox, but I do my forehead, Lubella,
Crows feet, jelly roll, bonesponge, lip flip, chin, and
massacres.
The full thing.
You like it?
Anywhere you can put it.
I do, yeah.
I like the look.
Yeah, it does feel a littlefunky sometimes, but it's worth
it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (18:41):
Literally, I feel like it's exhausting to talk
when I have a lip voice.
But it looks so good.
It looks so good.
SPEAKER_00 (18:47):
I feel like I'm talking like, do am I talking
weird?
SPEAKER_01 (18:49):
Like and I feel like that's a good one too, talking
about this.
I guess I necessarily wouldn'tsay preventative, but people who
are younger and maybe still havefuller lips or haven't lost a
lot of volume in their lips andfeel like they need filler just
yet.
Lip flip, for anyone who doesn'tknow lip flip is they'll put
just a couple, was it fiveunits?
SPEAKER_00 (19:07):
Five eight, anywhere from five to eight units.
SPEAKER_01 (19:08):
Like five to eight units um in the top part of the
lip.
So it relaxes that muscle andjust kind of flips it up a
little bit.
So it gives a little bit morevolume to the top of the lip.
Um, so for people who arenervous about doing fillers or
yeah, maybe they don't, youknow, they still have very full
lips, but that top lip just kindof curves down a little bit.
Um, that's a really good onethat a lot of people I feel like
it's getting more popular, but alot of people didn't really hear
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about it at first.
SPEAKER_00 (19:31):
Yeah, the the Madden Girls.
Yes, lip flips, they're so cute.
I love when they come in.
They're like walking.
SPEAKER_02 (19:36):
Yeah, you have time for lip flip, like, yeah.
They're in there in there everysix to eight weeks.
With their friends, it's sofunny.
But now I'm gonna be like, hey,we have our self-lip filler, so
yeah, that's good for Brandon.
Well, too, like that's the thingtoo.
Like, there's preventativeskincare, but now there's all
these preventative things likewhen it comes to like either a
neurotoxin or like lip filler,that they're like, Oh, I didn't
even know you could do that.
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I'm like, Well, yeah, well, nowwe have this and I'm gonna show
it to them when they come innow.
Like, I'm gonna take them all.
SPEAKER_01 (20:04):
They're so cute.
So, going back to just becauseI'm always curious, people's um
opinion.
So, you said you like dysportbetter, and you said you like
Botox better.
Why do you prefer dust work?
SPEAKER_02 (20:15):
I don't I feel like Botox makes me feel so heavy,
like in my forehead, and I justthink it lasts longer on me.
It's always like personalpreference, and I love how we're
so opposite because she's like,Oh, I love Botox.
I'm like, Well, only Dysport,like you can't do that.
Um, but I feel like it makes myforehead so heavy, and I like
that it kicks in faster too,because I'm kind of like, I want
to see it the next day, like Iwant to be frozen the next day.
(20:37):
So I like that it kicks infaster too.
Um, and it just lasts longer onme, yeah.
Yeah, and why do you like Botoxbetter?
SPEAKER_01 (20:43):
I feel the same exact thing about Discord, like
it feels so weird to myforehead, like I feel like it's
so heavy, and I feel like Botoxdoes last longer than disc work
for me, and that is always funnyto hear, and that is why we do
carry multiple differentneurotoxins, different fillers,
because it's so everyone hassuch a personal preference and
what is best for them and whatworks best for, which I love.
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I always go back to when I haveclients who tell me, especially
like younger clients, or when Ihave older clients who are
always like, Oh, you guys don'tneed that yet.
Like, you're not you're tooyoung for that to do that.
Um, one, like you said,preventing is so much easier
than going back and trying tocorrect.
It's more expensive to correct,it takes more treatments, it
(21:25):
takes longer to correct becauseyou're also still fighting the
aging process that you're alsogoing through as you get older.
Um, but one of the reps when wewere training, I don't remember
which brand it was, but one ofthe neurotoxin reps when we were
training, she was talking aboutum like if you had a piece of
paper and you folded that pieceof paper once and then unfolded
it, that line comes out prettyquickly.
If you're constantly foldingthat line, that line's gonna
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eventually you're gonna try andsmooth it out the best that you
can, and but that line's gonnastay.
Um, and that really stuck withme because I was like, you're
right, like if you're constantlymaking those movements over
time, you can come in and getyour neurotoxins, and they're
still, I mean, how often do wehear like I still have lines?
Like you're still gonna have youcan still have resting lines
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when you get neurotoxins.
So treating that earlier and notconstantly making that movement,
um, it's gonna be so much easierto keep that forehead smooth, to
keep those crow's feet away.
So that's just something thatalways kind of stuck with me.
And then I I really kind of, youknow, say to our clients when we
talk about it, because I'm like,it's so much easier to stop it
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from happening or to slow itdown than it is to go back and
and try and correct that.
SPEAKER_02 (22:33):
Yeah.
And I think that's why when wehave an ejectable client coming
in, and they're more even now ifit preventative or corrective,
yes, a neurotoxin is gonna work,Botox or dysport's gonna work,
but it's only gonna take you sofar.
And I think that's whereskincare and and injectable come
together too.
And they're like, oh, well, Ihave to come like every three to
four months for like Botox orDysport.
(22:55):
I'm like, okay, well, here's aproduct that's gonna last you
the same amount of time, andyou're gonna see actually that
your results are gonna be betterboth ways.
So pairing those two, I feellike have a big thing in being
preventative and corrective.
Always like doing skincare withyour neurotoxin or injectable.
SPEAKER_01 (23:12):
Yeah, getting on a good skincare routine is
definitely going to make all ofthose last longer.
Yeah, it's important.
So go check out Damien OfyDuncan'll get you on a great
skincare routine.
And then talk to Claudia and soif there was, um, so okay, so
we'll go in.
If someone is, let's say we'retalking about preventative.
(23:35):
So someone who comes in and theyare younger, but they, you know,
we live in Florida.
Like, what are some treatmentsthat you would recommend to
someone?
Like, what's a laser that youwould recommend to someone to
kind of start as a greatpreventative and why if they're
worried about, especially livingin Florida?
Um, I've had one client come in,she's like, my mom is so freckly
and like I don't want to be likethat.
(23:57):
Um, so if someone comes in,nothing wrong with freshls, fair
curls can be super cute, butwhen they are from sun damage,
um, we can fix those.
So, what are some treatmentsthat we offer that you think are
a good um just kind of startingstarting place for a client?
SPEAKER_00 (24:10):
I feel like IPL is usually the easiest.
I feel like clients are morehesitant to start with
fractional because when theyhear that you have to numb,
they're like, oh no, yeah, likeit hurts.
SPEAKER_01 (24:20):
So for anyone who doesn't know what's IPL.
SPEAKER_00 (24:22):
So IPL really helps with any sort of discoloration.
So if you have any like redness,um, sun damage, age spots,
that's what IPL is gonna helpwith or whatever.
SPEAKER_02 (24:31):
Yeah, and I feel like IPL is a good one too
because it also helps they kindof see that the dark spots can
get darker and then like falloff.
So they're more willing to doother things after because it
kind of works so well the firsttime.
Like you're kind of gonna reallysee your results for the first
time after, even with like onetreatment of IPL.
Obviously, they're not gonna goaway, but they're gonna see
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like, oh my gosh, like my darkspots or my age spots are a lot
lighter.
So I think that's a really goodone to enter into.
And then they're like, Well,okay, what else can I do?
Like they always find somethingdifferent that's gonna be.
SPEAKER_00 (25:03):
Yeah, even our uh younger clients that have acne,
like we have a couple of themthat come in for IPL and like
they they love it.
And now that they've done theIPL, they're switching over to
fractional now.
SPEAKER_01 (25:12):
So what is fractional, don't we?
SPEAKER_00 (25:14):
So fractional can help with um building collagen,
preventing fine lines andwrinkles, um, more like textural
issues.
So if you have any likescarring, um, enlarged pores,
stretch marks, that can it itcan all help with that.
SPEAKER_01 (25:26):
Do you do anything with those lasers?
SPEAKER_00 (25:28):
I do fractional sometimes.
SPEAKER_02 (25:30):
Yeah, I do IPL.
I have like rosacea on my cheeksand that helps with that too.
I think IPL is so universal too,because it helps like it kills
the bacteria, the acne, rosacea,age spots.
Um, so I don't know.
I'm scared to do fractionalsometimes.
SPEAKER_00 (25:45):
Or I'm scared to do IPL.
SPEAKER_02 (25:47):
Are you really?
Yeah.
I have so many clients that arelike IPL hurts so much more than
fractional, and I need to benumb for IPL.
SPEAKER_00 (25:54):
I'm like, we do have a lot of clients that say that
it freaks me out.
SPEAKER_02 (25:57):
Like that scares me.
SPEAKER_01 (25:59):
I love IPL and I do IPL all the day.
SPEAKER_02 (26:01):
Yeah, I feel I see all of your before and afters
all the time on your IPL.
SPEAKER_01 (26:05):
Yeah, I love IPL.
SPEAKER_00 (26:06):
There's like clients that like cry after IPL, like
they're like tears in theireyes.
I'm like, ooh, I'm not doingthis.
SPEAKER_01 (26:12):
You should do it.
It's really not bad.
Really not bad.
Really not.
SPEAKER_02 (26:16):
It just feels like warm.
SPEAKER_01 (26:17):
I mean, do you have you done laser hair?
Yeah, it feels very much likelaser hair.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (26:21):
It's yeah, you feel that like hot pepper band.
SPEAKER_01 (26:24):
It's like a yeah, but it's it's not.
SPEAKER_00 (26:27):
I think I'm just scared to do it on my face.
That's like what scared me uhbecause I've never done it do
it.
I don't think I've done, I thinkI've only done fractional on my
face.
That's the only thing I've doneon my face.
SPEAKER_01 (26:38):
If you've done fractional, you can do it.
SPEAKER_02 (26:40):
Yeah, even skin touch like, ooh, ooh.
She doesn't like the feeling ofit.
SPEAKER_01 (26:47):
Skin bed's just a funny feeling.
It like vibrates.
SPEAKER_02 (26:50):
Yeah, hysterically locked.
And I looked up in the bat, I'mlike, like, does this her or is
this funny?
SPEAKER_00 (26:57):
It's just like like it's just like pumpy.
SPEAKER_01 (27:01):
Yeah, like do you feel like you need to sneeze
when you do skin bed?
SPEAKER_00 (27:04):
Sometimes, yeah, but she gets like close like my nose
and stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (27:07):
That's my favorite.
I'm always like, You're probablygonna want to sneeze.
All right.
Well, if you have any uh lastand final advice for someone who
is young or not even just young,but someone who has never done
any aesthetics treatmentsbefore.
Um, or yeah, they feel likethey're too young or don't need
to start.
What's some advice that youwould give someone?
SPEAKER_00 (27:28):
Don't use clean and clear.
Don't use Neutrogena.
Um get like actual skincare thatworks.
That'll make the biggestdifference.
And then kind of go from there.
SPEAKER_02 (27:40):
Yeah, I think like you said, whether you're younger
or older, um, oh, it's alwaysgood to start somewhere.
Like we I think we have clientseven that are come that come in
their 60, they're like, Ihaven't done anything.
I've you could always startsomewhere.
It's obviously gonna take you alittle longer, but um, I think
just starting a one like it'snot too overwhelming with either
a skincare product or one lasera month.
(28:03):
It's always better just to kindof keep yourself in mind.
And I think it feels goodanyways that you're doing
something mentally andphysically.
Um, so I always tell clientswhen they come in it doesn't
matter where you start, you'rehere now.
So I think that's always a goodone.
SPEAKER_00 (28:18):
I agree.
SPEAKER_01 (28:19):
All right.
Well, thank you both so much forjoining me.
Thank you, Claudia, for sharingyour skincare journey with us.
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We'll take care of them.
Thanks for joining.
Welcome back to Kotura Conversations.
Today we're talking aboutsomething we hear all the time
in the skincare and aestheticsworld.
Saying people saying, I don'tneed to do that yet, or I'm too
young for that treatment.
But we're here to shift thatmindset because preventative
skincare and aesthetictreatments are not about fixing
something that's wrong, butthey're about maintaining skin
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health long term.
I'm your host, Lindsay, leadaesthetician here at Kutor
Medspa, and I am joined byDamie, one of our aestheticians
at our Obedito locations, andClaudia, our practice
administrator, who has also hadour own personal skincare
journey that she's going toshare with today.
So welcome Claudia and Damie.
SPEAKER_02 (00:52):
Hi.
SPEAKER_01 (00:52):
Are you excited?
SPEAKER_02 (00:54):
Yeah, so excited.
SPEAKER_01 (00:56):
Alright, so let's start with the big question.
Why do we encourage people tostart their skincare treatments
before seeing visible signs ofaging?
SPEAKER_02 (01:04):
I think mostly because it's harder to fix
something when it's alreadypopped up rather than preventing
it.
Um, for example, like age spotsor spine lines, wrinkles, even
like acne scarring while you'regoing through an acne journey,
just kind of taking like thoseextra steps so that way you
don't maybe have scars in thefuture, or if like I'm 24 and I
(01:25):
still do my retinol, mytretinoin, and stuff, just
because in the future I don'twant to have those spine lines,
wrinkles, pores.
Um, so I think it's better toprevent something than go and
correct it.
SPEAKER_01 (01:40):
Claudia, what would you say as far as someone who so
Damie is our esthetician comingfrom more of the um like she's
in the treatment room seeingclients all day?
What do you see as far asclients coming in?
Um, do you see a trend ofyounger clients or do you get a
lot of clients still that arelike, oh, I don't need to do
that yet?
What is what does that trendlook like in?
SPEAKER_00 (02:00):
Definitely a lot of clients that are younger that
don't think they need it.
I feel like especially beingaround like UCF, like so close
to like a college, they're like,no, like I don't need sunscreen,
I don't need this or that.
So I feel like that's definitelylike a struggle in that area of
where the younger clients don'tthink that they need it.
SPEAKER_01 (02:19):
Do you ever hear older clients be like, man, I
wish I would have startedyounger?
SPEAKER_00 (02:22):
All the time, every single day.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (02:25):
So what would you say?
Are there any commonmisconceptions about starting
early?
SPEAKER_02 (02:31):
I think that they're gonna um get used to it.
That's like the the first onethat they say, like, oh, I'm
gonna get used to it, or like itwon't work for me now in like 10
years, especially like ifthey're doing like an injectable
or something too.
Um, but they're always like, Oh,well, it it won't work for me if
I if I use it all the time.
Like, actually, no, like it'sstill gonna work.
(02:52):
Um, and there's differentprotocols when we're preventing
something rather than going andcorrecting something.
SPEAKER_00 (02:57):
Yeah, or that if they start now, it's gonna look
bad like in the future.
Like they think they have towait until like they actually
need it.
SPEAKER_01 (03:03):
Yeah.
So, what would be some of yourday meets?
So you're more in like thetreatment room, or you get a
client for the first time, saythey're coming in and they're
getting a free facial.
Um, and like you said, you guyswork near UCF, which if you guys
anyone doesn't know UCF is oneof the colleges here in Central
Florida.
So they do tend to get a lot ofyounger clients, they get more
of that younger clientele.
(03:24):
Um, sometimes we do get thatlittle like free facial points
and stuff, so they might seesome of those girls coming in.
Or for those, what's somethingthat you would talk through
them, you know, as far assomeone being like, Oh, I don't
need to do that yet?
What's kind of a good, easy,like simple start of getting
into preventative skincare?
SPEAKER_02 (03:43):
I say I kind of ask them first, what's your skincare
like now?
Like, what are you using now tokind of gauge like what they're
at and what they kind of want todo?
Um, and I think preventativekind of like okay, what kind of
type of cleanser are we using?
I always kind of start them onlike a cleanser and definitely a
sunscreen, and um also like anexfoliating cleanser because
(04:04):
that makes such a bigdifference.
And I feel like for us, it's theexfoliating cleanser um is like
the gateway, they see such a bigdifference, like their skin's
gonna look so much brighter, um,the texture is gonna be so much
smoother, and they're like, Oh,this is something that I'm using
now, then what else can I beusing?
And it's only gonna work more.
I think that's a good one kindof asking like their skincare
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routine.
SPEAKER_01 (04:27):
So, what did Claudia?
What when you first started atCouture, did you have a skincare
routine?
SPEAKER_00 (04:33):
No, I used clean and clear face wash, and that was
it.
So burned my skin.
I thought that was so good.
I was like, it's burning all theacne.
It's burning, right?
Gosh, imagine leaving her friendand acne.
No moisture answer, nosunscreen, no nothing.
Just face wash.
SPEAKER_01 (04:49):
So we'll go into your full like journey in a
little bit, but what what didyou when you first started
working at Kutort, what wasthere anything that kind of
changed your mindset to be like,okay, maybe I should start doing
something?
SPEAKER_00 (05:03):
Yeah.
Um they would always make me doa VIZIA.
That was so embarrassing.
I was like, okay, I have to dosomething to change this.
SPEAKER_01 (05:10):
Okay, so I'll stop you real quick.
So for anyone who doesn't know,can you explain what Vizia is?
SPEAKER_00 (05:14):
It's a deep skin analysis.
Um, it kind of takes a deeperlook into your skin um and then
rates you on a couple differentthings like sun damage, spots,
wrinkles.
SPEAKER_01 (05:24):
Um so what do you remember what your um what your
number was?
SPEAKER_00 (05:30):
I was like what 20 or 21 when I started, and my
true skin age was probably like25 or 26.
And I was like, oh wow, that'sembarrassing.
SPEAKER_01 (05:37):
So we were working on correction at that point.
SPEAKER_00 (05:39):
They would always make me anytime someone knew
came, I would be the one thatthey would like train on.
I'm like, oh perfect.
SPEAKER_01 (05:46):
What was the um what was like the first thing you
started on?
Did you start with skincare ordid you jump right into like
lasers and stuff?
SPEAKER_00 (05:53):
Um, I feel like I started with skincare.
I was too scared to do thelasers at first.
Um and then like facials too.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (06:00):
So Damie, for someone who because I feel like
a lot of people do, yeah,jumping right into lasers for a
lot of people is veryintimidating.
And that I feel like is whereyou definitely get more of the
people that are like, oh, Idon't need to do that yet.
Like I'm not, I'm not ready forlasers.
Um when you see someone Damien,what are some kind of what's a
(06:22):
what are some good facials thatyou recommend for for clients
who are just starting out?
SPEAKER_02 (06:25):
Yeah, so always our couture facial is just our
staring at your facial, and itkind of gives me a look into
what I'm dealing with and umwhere the clients at and what
they do, then I always kind ofsee from there what they're
willing to do too.
So if it's more someone likestruggling with acne um or just
congested skin, always likehydrofacial.
Um, I love people coming and dolike fire and ice too because
(06:47):
it's kind of like a way thatit's more corrective, but they
also get like that spa side.
Um, and then it depending ontheir commitment level, then I'm
like, okay, well, we're gonna doskin pen, we're gonna do
chemical peels.
So it's really kind of likewhere the clients at, um, but I
always start with like ourcouture or signature facial
because it's like okay, this issomething that's relaxing, but
(07:07):
they know it's still gonna workevery day because it's still
like a really good deep cleanse.
I think that's a good one.
Did you start getting facial?
SPEAKER_00 (07:14):
I did, yeah.
Um I feel like we started withlike hydrofacials.
Yeah.
I just feel so clean afterwards,and I really struggle with like
blackheads and stuff, like mynose and my chin, like that
would always help with that.
SPEAKER_01 (07:31):
Get all that congestion, yeah, yeah.
Those are always really good.
So, do you feel like as far assomeone coming into couture,
what would be just because we dooffer so many things there, um,
you know, we have differentmembership options, different
things, what would be a go-tolike start for someone coming
(07:53):
in?
More of not coming from like anesthetician side saying they
should do that, but if someonewas coming into couture and they
really say they're just comingin to see what we're doing
there, um, what what would be agood starting point for someone,
you think?
For like just in general, likeif someone is wanting, they're
like, okay, maybe I should startwith some maintenance.
(08:13):
I should start.
Um, what what would be a goodstarting point for someone?
SPEAKER_00 (08:16):
I feel like facials and skincare, especially if
they're younger, that's probablylike the easiest thing to get
them on.
And then I feel like from thereit's kind of easier to get them
to do like lasers or like skinpen and stuff like that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (08:27):
Or even like enhanced, I think, too, because
you're really starting off withone laser.
You're getting, you're lookingat the you know, you're meeting
with the provider too, andthey're always gonna recommend
something skincare wise.
So you're kind of getting likethat little laser portion, and
then you're gonna getrecommended skincare, and then
you could always like add on afacial, and then they're like,
Oh, wait, well, like I want toadd on a facial, or we do so
(08:47):
many like sign up for membershipand like try some some of our
other services.
So they always want to try afacial and then they love it,
and then they're like, Okay,wait, well, then I want to do
empower, I want to laser mywhole body, and then I want all
the skincare.
So I think enhance is a reallygood thing, too.
SPEAKER_01 (09:00):
Yeah, it just kind of allows everyone to like grow
with what we have.
Yeah, so Claudia, we'll get intoyour skin journey.
So tell us a little bit aboutbefore you started working at
Couture, even before when haveyou always struggled with skin
problems, or kind of what wasyour journey like before you
started at Couture?
SPEAKER_00 (09:20):
I probably started breaking out and having like a
lot of acne when I was like 11,12, like middle school.
Um, and then I did Accutane myfreshman year of high school,
and then like I stopped it, andthen like all the acne came
back, so like that didn't reallyhelp me.
And then I didn't I like neverreally had like a skincare, like
my mom was into like skincare oranything, so like all I knew was
(09:41):
to like wash my face like atnight with like probably like
the cheapest face wash I couldfind.
So that's really all I did untilI was 21.
I started at Couture.
Um, but yeah, before Couture Ihad like no sort of skincare or
anything.
I would go to the beach becauseI knew like if I like laid out
in the sun, like fry all my acneoff, like no sunscreen, no
nothing.
I was like, Yeah, this willwork.
(10:03):
Like, this is perfect.
SPEAKER_01 (10:04):
A lot of people have that misconception too.
I'm glad you said somethingabout that about the sun,
because a lot of people will belike, oh, when I go out in the
sun, and or if I go to thetanning bed, it it clears me up.
Yeah, and it's like at a certainpoint in the beginning, yeah,
it'll kind of it's gonna takeall that oil that's there and
dry it up, but in the long term,it's gonna make that skin health
even worse.
It's gonna cause that to comeback even worse.
(10:26):
Um, so yeah, I do hear thatmisconception a lot.
I'm like, oh I just go out inthe sun and I can't.
SPEAKER_00 (10:31):
Yeah, when I started at Kato, I had a tanning bed
membership, and Damien was onethat was like, You have got to
cancel that.
Like, please stop.
My skin was like so red, like itwas so bad.
So yeah, I canceled that.
SPEAKER_01 (10:45):
So then take us through at Katour.
What has that journey lookedlike for you?
What treatments have you done?
What products have you beenusing?
What are all your things?
SPEAKER_00 (10:54):
So when I started at Couture, I feel like I was right
when we like brought Tritonoinin.
And then I started usingTritinoin, and that did help.
Um, but it would just like dryme out too much.
So then um after that, I feellike when I started doing skin
pen.
I feel like right when webrought it in, you started to do
(11:14):
skin pen.
I would do hydrofacials andstuff a lot with Damien before
we had skin pen, and then oncewe got skin pen, she convinced
me to do it.
And I feel like that's what likenow like my acne has like
cleared up pretty much.
Um, but I saw like scarring andstuff, so I feel like that is
what has made like the biggestdifference is skin pen.
Even peels.
We did a lot of skin.
SPEAKER_02 (11:31):
Yeah, oh my gosh, we did a lot of peels.
And especially when we broughton um even like the Avaji ones
and like had Citrain on them,she loved it because she kind of
likes, I think she likes thatfeeling of like it's burning our
skin, it's working.
SPEAKER_01 (11:46):
So I feel like okay, that thumbs up.
SPEAKER_02 (11:48):
So I was like, Okay, this is perfect for her because
she likes that feeling.
So I think that's also too howwe like maintain the acne um
with chemical peels too, andjust uh like at-home skincare.
Yeah, and then once we got ridof the acne, then skin done.
SPEAKER_00 (12:02):
Yeah, should we make it like an actual face wash?
Clean and cleaners like usingneutrinos.
I was like, I don't know whatshe's talking about, it works.
SPEAKER_02 (12:16):
Like, look hard at the moment you're obsessed with
a neutrinoma, like in the watermoisturizer.
SPEAKER_01 (12:25):
No, is it the hydropost?
Yes, that's my favorite, sothat's a bright tangent on this
one, real quick.
But that's my favorite one toalways kind of tell clients
like, is it the worst productout there?
No, but when you talk about likeso their biggest claim, like
there um is that it has it'shyaluronic acid.
It's hyaluronic acid's gonna beeverywhere.
(12:46):
And if you look at the back ofit was their um, I think it was
the water burst moisturizer, butif you look at the back of the
label, like with theingredients, the very last
ingredient in it is hyaluronicacid, which means it has like
less than like one percent inthere, but they swear by it that
it's gonna be the most hydratingthing you can ever use on the
(13:07):
side.
SPEAKER_00 (13:07):
I need to burn my skin to another genetic.
SPEAKER_01 (13:16):
Okay, so now since we're off of the Neutrogena,
what does your current skincareroutine look like?
What are you using?
SPEAKER_00 (13:22):
I recently started using the um R self cleanser,
and then I What do you loveabout that one?
I love that like it doesn't havelike a smell.
Like I anything with the smell Icannot do.
So I love that.
This like there's no fragrance.
I love that it gets like soapy.
I like I like some of thatfoams.
I don't like just like a gelcleanser.
(13:43):
So I like that it foams.
Um and I just feel really likeclean after using it.
I feel like I don't need to likewash my face like twice when I
use it.
Um and then I use a toner afterum I used to use the porn
therapy when we had it.
Um and then I just use the TNSserum, no, the which one?
(14:10):
Serum treatment.
Is that the other one?
Yeah, yeah, so I use thatmorning and night.
And then sunscreen, the tintedsunscreen every day.
Yeah, I keep it pretty basic,but yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (14:26):
And that's I think a lot of people do sometimes
overcomplicate their skincare,and that's is sometimes why we
tend to get more red, moreirritated, and breakouts because
our skin is like what we do.
SPEAKER_00 (14:39):
Yeah, I think I'm so sensitive.
Like if I use like more thanlike three or four products,
like my skin is either burningor I I have a breakout.
SPEAKER_01 (14:47):
What results have you seen from doing
microneedling?
SPEAKER_00 (14:50):
Way less scarring.
I feel like not as many likepores, like I feel like my
texture just used to be so bad.
Like, even after my acne clearedup, I just still had a lot of
texture.
So that's definitely changed alot.
Um, I feel like my redness hasgotten better too.
Yeah, I'm not as red as I wasbefore.
SPEAKER_02 (15:06):
Um and then I think just overall, yeah, like her
complexion too, a lot more even,healthier skin.
Yeah, that's what I noticed withmine.
Like your skin just lookshealthier, like even glassy.
Like after you do skin pen, likea little glassy like the next
day.
I think that's like the most thepart that I want to see.
Yeah, uh, sometimes face is solike reflection, and I just love
(15:29):
it.
SPEAKER_00 (15:29):
You probably have to like I kind of like like how
like red it is like see, I don'tknow why she likes that.
SPEAKER_02 (15:35):
Brings her back to her burning her face off.
SPEAKER_01 (15:40):
So on the um other end of it, I feel like a lot of
people too feel like they aretoo young to start neurotoxins.
So, do both of you either of youdo neurotoxins?
Yes, we do.
So, which ones, what's yourgo-to?
SPEAKER_02 (15:56):
So I love Discord, and I think I started doing
Discord when I was 21 or 22, andI think I I started light
though.
I just really did my foreheadlike in between my eyebrows.
Um, now that I know more, andit's not just for me either
about like preventative, alsojust overall like aesthetic.
(16:16):
I do like my full face Discord,but even I remember yesterday,
like we had a client, they'relike, Yeah, I just wanted some
like baby Botox, like you know,I'm she think she was like 28 or
29.
She's like, I don't think I needlike need it right now.
And I think somebody was like,Yeah, I was just kind of like
explaining to her, like it is agood time to start now, just
kind of doing like that full onebecause we don't want those
(16:38):
lines to come in, like three or11s in between your eyebrows.
I think that was like the thingshe was most worried about.
Um, and it's not gonna last aslong.
So I think people are scaredthat they're gonna, especially
with like a neurotoxin, thatthey're gonna look like plastic
and fake, but it's really notlike I know I could tell a
difference when I don't have myBotox or my Discord when with my
(16:58):
movement coming back, but Ithink they're scared that
they're gonna be like frozen,frozen, frozen.
I don't think that's objective.
I think we're just trying totreat the areas and make the
client feel comfortable, butobviously we don't want to make
the client feel uncomfortableand step out of bounds, but
yeah, I when I tell clients Istart doing Botox when they're
like, You're a baby.
I'm like, Yeah, you don't needthat.
I'm like, but I'm sorry.
(17:18):
Well, I'm like, okay, when whenyou see me when I'm 50, or like
you don't even have anymovement, I'm like, yeah,
because I do it.
SPEAKER_00 (17:24):
That's my favorite.
SPEAKER_01 (17:26):
People are like, you don't even look like you need
it.
SPEAKER_02 (17:28):
I'm like, yeah, yeah.
Really?
Especially in three months tohave a fun.
SPEAKER_01 (17:33):
So when you say full face boat, where all do you get
what areas do you get?
I do my forehead, my glabella.
SPEAKER_02 (17:41):
Um, I'm actually good.
I don't have to do my crowsright now.
Thank you, thanks to Ness eyecream.
Um and then I do like inbetween, like my bunny scrunch.
What else?
Lip flip, lip flip, vlog lipflip, gummy smile, master,
everything.
Did you like master?
Do you like master?
I like it, but I don't I do itmore aesthetic because like the
(18:02):
facial slimming, not because Ihave like the jaw problem.
Um, but I like it moreaesthetic.
Well, I say like my bunnies.
I feel like it makes my noselike a little bit like smaller.
I don't know.
It could just be in my head, butI feel like you have a cute
nose, so what is it?
SPEAKER_00 (18:18):
Sarah.
SPEAKER_01 (18:22):
Claudia, what have you done?
SPEAKER_00 (18:23):
Um, I prefer Botox, but I do my forehead, Lubella,
Crows feet, jelly roll, bonesponge, lip flip, chin, and
massacres.
The full thing.
You like it?
Anywhere you can put it.
I do, yeah.
I like the look.
Yeah, it does feel a littlefunky sometimes, but it's worth
it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (18:41):
Literally, I feel like it's exhausting to talk
when I have a lip voice.
But it looks so good.
It looks so good.
SPEAKER_00 (18:47):
I feel like I'm talking like, do am I talking
weird?
SPEAKER_01 (18:49):
Like and I feel like that's a good one too, talking
about this.
I guess I necessarily wouldn'tsay preventative, but people who
are younger and maybe still havefuller lips or haven't lost a
lot of volume in their lips andfeel like they need filler just
yet.
Lip flip, for anyone who doesn'tknow lip flip is they'll put
just a couple, was it fiveunits?
SPEAKER_00 (19:07):
Five eight, anywhere from five to eight units.
SPEAKER_01 (19:08):
Like five to eight units um in the top part of the
lip.
So it relaxes that muscle andjust kind of flips it up a
little bit.
So it gives a little bit morevolume to the top of the lip.
Um, so for people who arenervous about doing fillers or
yeah, maybe they don't, youknow, they still have very full
lips, but that top lip just kindof curves down a little bit.
Um, that's a really good onethat a lot of people I feel like
it's getting more popular, but alot of people didn't really hear
(19:29):
about it at first.
SPEAKER_00 (19:31):
Yeah, the the Madden Girls.
Yes, lip flips, they're so cute.
I love when they come in.
They're like walking.
SPEAKER_02 (19:36):
Yeah, you have time for lip flip, like, yeah.
They're in there in there everysix to eight weeks.
With their friends, it's sofunny.
But now I'm gonna be like, hey,we have our self-lip filler, so
yeah, that's good for Brandon.
Well, too, like that's the thingtoo.
Like, there's preventativeskincare, but now there's all
these preventative things likewhen it comes to like either a
neurotoxin or like lip filler,that they're like, Oh, I didn't
even know you could do that.
(19:57):
I'm like, Well, yeah, well, nowwe have this and I'm gonna show
it to them when they come innow.
Like, I'm gonna take them all.
SPEAKER_01 (20:04):
They're so cute.
So, going back to just becauseI'm always curious, people's um
opinion.
So, you said you like dysportbetter, and you said you like
Botox better.
Why do you prefer dust work?
SPEAKER_02 (20:15):
I don't I feel like Botox makes me feel so heavy,
like in my forehead, and I justthink it lasts longer on me.
It's always like personalpreference, and I love how we're
so opposite because she's like,Oh, I love Botox.
I'm like, Well, only Dysport,like you can't do that.
Um, but I feel like it makes myforehead so heavy, and I like
that it kicks in faster too,because I'm kind of like, I want
to see it the next day, like Iwant to be frozen the next day.
(20:37):
So I like that it kicks infaster too.
Um, and it just lasts longer onme, yeah.
Yeah, and why do you like Botoxbetter?
SPEAKER_01 (20:43):
I feel the same exact thing about Discord, like
it feels so weird to myforehead, like I feel like it's
so heavy, and I feel like Botoxdoes last longer than disc work
for me, and that is always funnyto hear, and that is why we do
carry multiple differentneurotoxins, different fillers,
because it's so everyone hassuch a personal preference and
what is best for them and whatworks best for, which I love.
(21:04):
I always go back to when I haveclients who tell me, especially
like younger clients, or when Ihave older clients who are
always like, Oh, you guys don'tneed that yet.
Like, you're not you're tooyoung for that to do that.
Um, one, like you said,preventing is so much easier
than going back and trying tocorrect.
It's more expensive to correct,it takes more treatments, it
(21:25):
takes longer to correct becauseyou're also still fighting the
aging process that you're alsogoing through as you get older.
Um, but one of the reps when wewere training, I don't remember
which brand it was, but one ofthe neurotoxin reps when we were
training, she was talking aboutum like if you had a piece of
paper and you folded that pieceof paper once and then unfolded
it, that line comes out prettyquickly.
If you're constantly foldingthat line, that line's gonna
(21:47):
eventually you're gonna try andsmooth it out the best that you
can, and but that line's gonnastay.
Um, and that really stuck withme because I was like, you're
right, like if you're constantlymaking those movements over
time, you can come in and getyour neurotoxins, and they're
still, I mean, how often do wehear like I still have lines?
Like you're still gonna have youcan still have resting lines
(22:08):
when you get neurotoxins.
So treating that earlier and notconstantly making that movement,
um, it's gonna be so much easierto keep that forehead smooth, to
keep those crow's feet away.
So that's just something thatalways kind of stuck with me.
And then I I really kind of, youknow, say to our clients when we
talk about it, because I'm like,it's so much easier to stop it
(22:28):
from happening or to slow itdown than it is to go back and
and try and correct that.
SPEAKER_02 (22:33):
Yeah.
And I think that's why when wehave an ejectable client coming
in, and they're more even now ifit preventative or corrective,
yes, a neurotoxin is gonna work,Botox or dysport's gonna work,
but it's only gonna take you sofar.
And I think that's whereskincare and and injectable come
together too.
And they're like, oh, well, Ihave to come like every three to
four months for like Botox orDysport.
(22:55):
I'm like, okay, well, here's aproduct that's gonna last you
the same amount of time, andyou're gonna see actually that
your results are gonna be betterboth ways.
So pairing those two, I feellike have a big thing in being
preventative and corrective.
Always like doing skincare withyour neurotoxin or injectable.
SPEAKER_01 (23:12):
Yeah, getting on a good skincare routine is
definitely going to make all ofthose last longer.
Yeah, it's important.
So go check out Damien OfyDuncan'll get you on a great
skincare routine.
And then talk to Claudia and soif there was, um, so okay, so
we'll go in.
If someone is, let's say we'retalking about preventative.
(23:35):
So someone who comes in and theyare younger, but they, you know,
we live in Florida.
Like, what are some treatmentsthat you would recommend to
someone?
Like, what's a laser that youwould recommend to someone to
kind of start as a greatpreventative and why if they're
worried about, especially livingin Florida?
Um, I've had one client come in,she's like, my mom is so freckly
and like I don't want to be likethat.
(23:57):
Um, so if someone comes in,nothing wrong with freshls, fair
curls can be super cute, butwhen they are from sun damage,
um, we can fix those.
So, what are some treatmentsthat we offer that you think are
a good um just kind of startingstarting place for a client?
SPEAKER_00 (24:10):
I feel like IPL is usually the easiest.
I feel like clients are morehesitant to start with
fractional because when theyhear that you have to numb,
they're like, oh no, yeah, likeit hurts.
SPEAKER_01 (24:20):
So for anyone who doesn't know what's IPL.
SPEAKER_00 (24:22):
So IPL really helps with any sort of discoloration.
So if you have any like redness,um, sun damage, age spots,
that's what IPL is gonna helpwith or whatever.
SPEAKER_02 (24:31):
Yeah, and I feel like IPL is a good one too
because it also helps they kindof see that the dark spots can
get darker and then like falloff.
So they're more willing to doother things after because it
kind of works so well the firsttime.
Like you're kind of gonna reallysee your results for the first
time after, even with like onetreatment of IPL.
Obviously, they're not gonna goaway, but they're gonna see
(24:51):
like, oh my gosh, like my darkspots or my age spots are a lot
lighter.
So I think that's a really goodone to enter into.
And then they're like, Well,okay, what else can I do?
Like they always find somethingdifferent that's gonna be.
SPEAKER_00 (25:03):
Yeah, even our uh younger clients that have acne,
like we have a couple of themthat come in for IPL and like
they they love it.
And now that they've done theIPL, they're switching over to
fractional now.
SPEAKER_01 (25:12):
So what is fractional, don't we?
SPEAKER_00 (25:14):
So fractional can help with um building collagen,
preventing fine lines andwrinkles, um, more like textural
issues.
So if you have any likescarring, um, enlarged pores,
stretch marks, that can it itcan all help with that.
SPEAKER_01 (25:26):
Do you do anything with those lasers?
SPEAKER_00 (25:28):
I do fractional sometimes.
SPEAKER_02 (25:30):
Yeah, I do IPL.
I have like rosacea on my cheeksand that helps with that too.
I think IPL is so universal too,because it helps like it kills
the bacteria, the acne, rosacea,age spots.
Um, so I don't know.
I'm scared to do fractionalsometimes.
SPEAKER_00 (25:45):
Or I'm scared to do IPL.
SPEAKER_02 (25:47):
Are you really?
Yeah.
I have so many clients that arelike IPL hurts so much more than
fractional, and I need to benumb for IPL.
SPEAKER_00 (25:54):
I'm like, we do have a lot of clients that say that
it freaks me out.
SPEAKER_02 (25:57):
Like that scares me.
SPEAKER_01 (25:59):
I love IPL and I do IPL all the day.
SPEAKER_02 (26:01):
Yeah, I feel I see all of your before and afters
all the time on your IPL.
SPEAKER_01 (26:05):
Yeah, I love IPL.
SPEAKER_00 (26:06):
There's like clients that like cry after IPL, like
they're like tears in theireyes.
I'm like, ooh, I'm not doingthis.
SPEAKER_01 (26:12):
You should do it.
It's really not bad.
Really not bad.
Really not.
SPEAKER_02 (26:16):
It just feels like warm.
SPEAKER_01 (26:17):
I mean, do you have you done laser hair?
Yeah, it feels very much likelaser hair.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (26:21):
It's yeah, you feel that like hot pepper band.
SPEAKER_01 (26:24):
It's like a yeah, but it's it's not.
SPEAKER_00 (26:27):
I think I'm just scared to do it on my face.
That's like what scared me uhbecause I've never done it do
it.
I don't think I've done, I thinkI've only done fractional on my
face.
That's the only thing I've doneon my face.
SPEAKER_01 (26:38):
If you've done fractional, you can do it.
SPEAKER_02 (26:40):
Yeah, even skin touch like, ooh, ooh.
She doesn't like the feeling ofit.
SPEAKER_01 (26:47):
Skin bed's just a funny feeling.
It like vibrates.
SPEAKER_02 (26:50):
Yeah, hysterically locked.
And I looked up in the bat, I'mlike, like, does this her or is
this funny?
SPEAKER_00 (26:57):
It's just like like it's just like pumpy.
SPEAKER_01 (27:01):
Yeah, like do you feel like you need to sneeze
when you do skin bed?
SPEAKER_00 (27:04):
Sometimes, yeah, but she gets like close like my nose
and stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (27:07):
That's my favorite.
I'm always like, You're probablygonna want to sneeze.
All right.
Well, if you have any uh lastand final advice for someone who
is young or not even just young,but someone who has never done
any aesthetics treatmentsbefore.
Um, or yeah, they feel likethey're too young or don't need
to start.
What's some advice that youwould give someone?
SPEAKER_00 (27:28):
Don't use clean and clear.
Don't use Neutrogena.
Um get like actual skincare thatworks.
That'll make the biggestdifference.
And then kind of go from there.
SPEAKER_02 (27:40):
Yeah, I think like you said, whether you're younger
or older, um, oh, it's alwaysgood to start somewhere.
Like we I think we have clientseven that are come that come in
their 60, they're like, Ihaven't done anything.
I've you could always startsomewhere.
It's obviously gonna take you alittle longer, but um, I think
just starting a one like it'snot too overwhelming with either
a skincare product or one lasera month.
(28:03):
It's always better just to kindof keep yourself in mind.
And I think it feels goodanyways that you're doing
something mentally andphysically.
Um, so I always tell clientswhen they come in it doesn't
matter where you start, you'rehere now.
So I think that's always a goodone.
SPEAKER_00 (28:18):
I agree.
SPEAKER_01 (28:19):
All right.
Well, thank you both so much forjoining me.
Thank you, Claudia, for sharingyour skincare journey with us.
Um, and yeah, you guys can checkus out.
Um, if you're local to any ofour Kator Medspa locations, you
can come in for a freeconsultation.
Um, we can get you started onsome some good skincare and kind
of go over everything with youguys.
You can find us on all of oursocial media channels as well or
(28:40):
our on TikTok, Instagram,YouTube, Facebook, all the
things.
You can also visit our websiteat katormedspa.com and browse
all of our services and see howyou can get in contact with us
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