September 15, 2025 • 28 mins
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The line between aesthetic enhancement and unnatural transformation has never been more blurred. In this candid conversation with Couture Med Spa's nurse practitioner and corporate trainer Mary Brooks, we dive deep into the treatments worth your investment and the concerning trends dominating social media feeds.
Mary reveals why the Nefertiti lift creates such dramatic improvements for clients with early jowling, and why Sculptra remains her personal holy grail treatment that she'll "do every year for the rest of my life." We also explore the underappreciated magic of SkinVeve, which Mary describes as "a glow product, not a show product" that delivers subtle but powerful results that generate consistent compliments.
The conversation takes a critical turn as Mary addresses the alarming trend of overfilled jawlines that masculinize feminine faces. "We're making all these people look like blockheads," she observes, emphasizing how providers must prioritize natural enhancement over drastic alteration. We also unpack the "trap tox" phenomenon, weighing its legitimate benefits for muscle tension against potential overuse.
From her perspective as a trainer, Mary shares valuable insights about common mistakes new injectors make, particularly the pressure to please clients by following social media trends rather than applying their professional expertise. "You're the expert, you're the one who is trained, not the client," she emphasizes.
Looking toward the future, we discuss how Couture Med Spa continues evolving beyond traditional aesthetics into holistic wellness with NAD+ injections, peptide therapies, and body contouring – creating new pathways for clients to experience comprehensive care under one roof.
Whether you're a seasoned skincare enthusiast or just beginning your aesthetic journey, this episode offers honest, expert guidance to help you navigate the increasingly complex world of med spa treatments. Follow us on social media or visit couturemedspacom to learn more about how we're changing the face of aesthetic care.
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Welcome back to another episode of Couture
Conversations, the podcast wherewe go behind the scenes of the
med spa world and dive into thetreatments, trends and experts
shaping the future of aesthetics.
I'm your host, Lindsay, andtoday I'm so excited to be
sitting down with none otherthan Mary Brooks, our very own
nurse practitioner and corporatetrainer here at Couture Med Spa
(00:33):
.
Mary is not only an expertinjector and educator, but she's
also seen it all when it comesto the med spa trends the good,
the bad and the ones in between.
In today's episode, we'rechatting about the best and the
worst trends over the decades,what it really takes to become a
standout aesthetic provider,and Mary's personal favorite
treatments that she swears by.
So, whether you're a seasonedskincare lover or just starting
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your med spa journey, you are infor a treat.
So, Mary, thanks for joining me, Thank you for having me.
So we're going to start offwith some of the fun stuff.
So what are some med spa trendsthat you absolutely love and
will think that they'll stayaround for all time?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Let's see.
So one of my favorites is theNefertiti lift, which kind of
came out of nowhere.
I think it makes a hugedifference in clients.
You maybe wouldn't think thatit would, but treating the
jawline and those platysmalbands is making a huge
difference for people beforehaving to go into filler.
I love that.
One Sculptra you know is myfavorite so that I will stick to
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forever.
It's a collagen booster.
We treat temples, cheeks andjawline for a little liquid
facelift with that one.
Love that.
And then my third that I'vebeen obsessed with lately is the
Skin Veve by Jupiter.
I don't think it gets enoughattention.
It's a glow product, not a showproduct.
So it's kind of hard to showbefore and afters of that one.
You know everybody's obsessedwith before and afters.
(01:58):
They want to see it Like, theywant to know what results
they're going to get.
That one's a little bit moredifficult to kind of show that
in photos, um, so I don't thinkthat's getting enough traction.
But that's another one of myfavorites.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, I can say I've had, um, when I had skin weave
done, it was one of those that,um, I just got so many
compliments on my skin after andit wasn't like, uh, oh, you got
this done, or whatever it was.
It was just like, oh, your skinlooks really good right now.
And one thing for me that Inoticed is I felt like it helped
(02:30):
a lot with my redness.
And I know when we did ourtraining we did a training with
a dinner of one of the allergenreps and they were talking about
it and how redness wasn'tnecessarily something that was
like tested, but they did noticeit in some of their like before
and after photos with clientsthat it helped with the redness.
And for me I felt like ithelped with my redness a ton.
(02:52):
I don't know if it was more ofjust like my skin was more
hydrated or what it was, but myredness definitely went away.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
And that's a lot coming from you, because your
skin always looks freakingamazing Like.
I know you guys can't see heror whatever, but Lindsay has
perfect skin.
Any photo she takes, any videoshe makes, all I do is stare at
her amazing, glowing, amazing,perfect skin.
So it's great that you loveSkinV, because I feel like your
skin always looks great and likeI didn't even think it could
(03:19):
get better.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Thanks, yeah, it is hard and this is a better Thanks
.
Yeah, it is hard and this is aI don't know how to say it, but
it's.
It's a good problem to havethat.
Yeah, I'll try some things outand I can't really tell if I can
tell a huge difference or not,because I do have good skin and
I do do a lot of things to liketreat it and maintain it.
Um, so there's a lot of thesethings that are great out there,
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but I can't be like, oh my gosh, I saw this huge difference
with it and it was a nice thingwith SkinVeve, because at first
I didn't really notice it.
I just again felt like, oh, myskin looked really good, but
when I started getting morecompliments on it I was like hmm
, and I went back and I tookpictures and I was like, oh, my
redness is a lot better.
So when my redness wasn'tshining through as much, I felt
(04:02):
like you could see more of theglow of the skin so yeah, that
was a huge one for me.
I love SkinVeve and I wouldpair it with when a lot of my
clients we would domicroneedling with them and then
I would tell them like, hey, goget SkinVeve after, because
it's just gonna help totallyenhance that glow that they're
gonna be getting from their.
Yeah, it's definitely one ofthose more subtle like where
(04:23):
someone's just like oh, yourskin looks really good.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
It looks different, Um, I completely agree.
After I got skin beef, a lot ofclients were saying, like what
are you doing?
Like your skin just looks glowy.
Like it just looks different.
Um, and I have good skin.
I don't have great skin likeyou, Um.
But for clients to actuallynotice and it would probably be
like a month after I got my skinbead that I would start getting
a lot of compliments and Iwould start to notice my makeup
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was sitting better, Like mylittle fine lines that bother me
around my eyes.
They weren't so bad.
The lines around my noseweren't so bad and I just felt
really dewy and my pores weretiny and like I just love it,
Like I can tell right at the sixweek mark, it's time to get
another one.
Give me more.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yes.
For anyone who doesn't knowwhat's the nephrotini neck lift.
So nephrotini.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Neck lift is toxin.
You can use any type of toxin.
We treat right along thejawline down all the platysmals.
We'll typically do DAOs andchin with it.
So it's paralyzing all thosedepressor muscles.
So we have the depressormuscles that cause jowling, so
those are kind of pulling whereour platysmals are pulling from
the depressor muscles in thechin just along the jawline.
(05:30):
When we're knocking thosedepressors out, the other
muscles kind of counteract andkind of pull everything up.
So it looks very natural.
You get that snatched jawlinewithout having to add filler,
especially if you only have likea little bit of jowling,
something you're not quite readyfor filler for.
This is just a really goodtreatment and it kind of smooths
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out the chin and everybody justlooks really good.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
So on the flip side of that, are there any trends
that you wish we could erasefrom the industry?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
So what I have been seeing a lot of now and I hate
to like put anybody down, buttons of injectors now are
posting their before and aftersor videos of their jawline
treatments.
I'm sorry, some of thesejawlines are just out of control
.
We're making all these peoplelook like blockheads.
We're taking these beautifulfeminine faces and completely
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masculinizing them and thenthey're posting everyone's like
wow, amazing, good job, snatchedjawline.
But when you look from thefront, when you look at
different angles, it lookscompletely unnatural, like their
chin is three inches past theirnose when you line it up, like
that's not a good look, that'snot what we're going for.
Um, so I just think that'sgetting a little out of control
and people need to kind of toneit down and remember what a
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natural face looks like.
You're beautifying, you're notcompletely changing, and all
this extra volume is just toomuch.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I would agree with you.
I've seen definitely going backto like the jawline area where
it's like, yes, there's thatfine line between like, yeah,
you still want to have like asnatched jawline and like it
looks good, but not making itmasculine, like not having that
squared off jawline, like that'snot not the look usually that
we're going for yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
And a lot of people are doing it, and especially
when these girls are coming inwith perfect jawlines already
you know, and they're like oh, Isaw on TikTok this jawline
treatment and it's like youdon't need it.
But I see a lot of providersnot couture.
I mean, our girls are reallygood at knowing that line when,
um, when it too much is too much, um.
But I definitely see online andsocial media and they're just
taking these perfect outlinesthat they already have and
(07:30):
adding all this volume to it.
And now it's like is it a?
I don't know, is that a man, Isit a woman?
Are we overdoing it?
Like, why do they look sounnatural?
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I feel like there was one that went around.
Is it during I think during theBarbie movie, when like trap
that went around.
Is it during, I think duringthe Barbie movie, when like trap
talks went around.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I was trying to get.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
What are your thoughts on that?
I did it once, so I yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I think if you're doing it I mean obviously you
you're using your arms.
Your shoulders are sore.
At the end of the day, you'reconstantly hunched over doing
like your facials and stuff Ithink if you're doing it for
tension and it helps great, ifyou're doing it for that Barbie
look, be super careful becauseyou can overdo it.
You know, and I did see online,people have like bobbleheads.
(08:15):
Now they can't really lift uptheir head, like if it's being
placed in the wrong area.
Just make sure you go tosomeone who knows what they're
doing.
Don't overdo it.
If you're getting like ahundred units per side, like I
don't know, how are you movingyour head properly?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah, I always wonder too, like how obtainable is
that to like continuously dothat Like it's a lot of units to
for something that, yeah, it isIf it's not necessary.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Right, yeah, and if they're doing so many units like
you're probably going to buildup a tolerance and then sorry
for your forehead.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
It's not going to work anymore.
Which would you rather have?
Yes, right, I'd rather have myforehead.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Exactly so.
I'm not saying don't do it,don't follow the trend or
anything, but just don't overdoit.
Go to someone who knows whatthey're doing.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah, yeah, I liked mine when I did it and, like you
said, it was because of, withdoing facials all day, I
constantly am like hunched overarms up everything like that,
and I was like I do get a lot oflike tension in that area and
they are always really tight.
Um, I did notice a differencewith it, for sure.
I definitely felt like ithelped.
Um, but, yeah, it wasn'tsomething that I kept up with,
(09:21):
um, that I felt like, oh, I haveto do this, but I will say if,
yeah, if you're someone thatconstantly has that tension and
pulling at it, it was somethingthat that helped.
I did see a difference with it.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
How long would you say yours lasted in that area Um
?
Maybe two-ish three months,okay, yeah, so you feel like
you'd have to kind of come backand get it with your facial
Botox, probably yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Gotcha, which seemed like a lot.
Yeah right For like, yeah, tobe realistic with it, something
to do all the time.
I could see if you're like Idon't know if I want to call it
like in a flare up, but you'relike man, I've been feeling
really tense lately and like gohave it done, but to have it as
something that's doneconsistently.
I think would be really hard.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
No, yeah, I agree it's a lot of units.
Especially if you're going forthe Barbie, look like that's
even more units because you'reliterally trying to shrink that
muscle.
Yeah, so I mean me, it's notsomething I recommend all the
time.
How do you feel about lip flips?
Lip flips it's good for somepeople, some people like me who
(10:29):
already has lip filler I have alittle bit of migration those
people I don't recommend.
It literally looked like Ismelled a fart for like a couple
of weeks after I got it, likemy lip was flipped up, my filler
was showing, like it was just alot.
Those girls with small lips oreven the younger girls who just
want a little something.
Great for them.
They love it.
It gives them a little bit moreof a lip show.
(10:50):
They can do their lip liner andthey're overdrawn and it looks
good.
So I think, on the properclient, the person who actually
needs it, who know it'll lookgood on it's amazing for but it
doesn't last long.
So they come back a lot fortouch-ups.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yeah, it's always a good kind of introduction into
someone who's not really readyfor a lip filler yet.
Or, like you said, maybesomeone who's young and still
has a lot of volume and theydon't need it.
They just don't have as much ofthat top lip.
I top lip, I know when I didmine.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I've done mine maybe three times now and I get really
good results.
Like yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I was going to say yours looks good Like before and
afters, but I hate it.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
You hate getting it or the feeling of it.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I hate the feeling of it.
It looks so good, like if youneed it for like pictures or
something like that, and you'relike, yeah, my top lip is
looking good.
Oh my gosh, trying to like eatsoup or like drink or do
anything I was just going to say.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I always tell clients don't get soup on a date, don't
try to eat super cereal and becute, cause it's not happening.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
It's not, and.
I felt like talking wasexhausting Cause it's like your
mouth doesn't want to makecertain movements.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Right Drinking through a straw, which we
shouldn't be doing anyway butthat's a little difficult but
hey, it looks great.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
So yeah, you know, go get it, um, as a corporate
trainer, um, so I know you'veyou've worked with a lot of
different providers.
What are some of the I don'tknow if I want to call them
biggest mistakes that you see asnew injectors?
Um, trying to follow trendsLike what are some things that
you see working with newerproviders?
(12:21):
That?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
um.
So a lot of times, providerswill want to please the client,
especially if they're new.
Maybe they don't feelcomfortable, they don't feel
like they know exactly whatthey're talking about.
Um, so clients will bring intheir TikTok videos and their
Instagram reels or their beforeand afters and show them
something that's either likecompletely unattainable,
unrealistic, or, you know, thephotos are altered and they'll
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try to do that for the clientbecause they're asking for it.
So it might even be somethingthey don't even know much about.
Like, oh, can you put filler?
Like here, like in between myyou know cheekbone and jawline,
just because I saw it done andthe pictures look good.
Don't fall into that.
Do what you know.
(13:05):
Like.
You're the expert, you're theone who is trained, not the
client.
So they're going to come to youwith some crazy things and just
knowing when to say no is goingto be really important, like
throughout your career.
I know it's really hard becauseyou have those pushy clients
who just do it, I don't care.
Like, even if it doesn't lookgood, just try it Like I want it
.
Don't fall into that.
Like, even if it doesn't lookgood, just try it Like I want it
.
Don't fall into that.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
You need no one to say no basically, have you ever
had any weird requests?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I have.
I've had somebody ask me to putfiller in their forehead, which
I know is done.
Sometimes we don't do thatFiller in their upper arm
because they had volume lossthere.
Filler anywhere, like.
I've had crazy requests forfiller places.
So just know, filler only goesin certain areas.
If they're asking for you forsome crazy thing, just say no.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
I would never think filler in the arms.
But hey, I mean, yeah, I'm like, where did you even see that?
Where did that idea come from?
Right, why?
Um, when you said not puttingfiller in like forehead, what
would be the reasons for that?
Speaker 2 (14:01):
So the skin is very thin.
The muscle's very thin there.
You can see it sometimes likeit can look wormy up under the
skin if it's not properly placed.
There's also arteries andvessels and you can go blind if
the person doesn't know whatthey're doing.
So it's a pretty risky area andI don't think the risk is worth
the reward.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I think most people too when they think of, like, if
they see a line there orsomething that they want filled,
it's something that can becorrected with, whether it's
neurotoxins or skincare or laseror microneedling, it's
something else that can be donebesides just putting filler
there.
Usually, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah, cause there's like the filler obsessed people
who are like fill this, fillthat, fill this, fill that, and
it's like no, there's otheroptions, like if you have a line
in your forehead, let's do sometoxin.
You know, like you said,microneedling um really good.
Skincare laser, that kind ofthing.
Filler is not the answer toeverything.
Um, so clients kind of thing.
Filler is not the answer toeverything, so clients should
kind of understand that.
But we have to educate them forthem to really realize that,
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because they think you couldjust fill anything.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
And I think, too a lot of times they think exactly
where they see the line is wherethe filler needs to go.
So, like what I see the mostwhen talking with clients,
especially when you talk aboutlike nasal labial folds, and
they'll be like, oh, I wantfiller here and they'll point to
like their nasal labial foldsand want it, which sometimes you
can do filler there and certainthings.
But a lot of times I'll hearthe providers be like, oh, we
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should actually like do cheeksand kind of help pull that back
to kind of soften those lines.
Um, so again, I think it justgoes with with educating the
clients on why.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Um, but a lot of times, yeah, the thing we you
see align anywhere and it's like, oh, put a little bit of filler
in there, just fill that in, oryou have the opposite, where
they'll have the nasolabials andthey'll be like put some Botox
here and it's like Botox doesn'tdo that, it doesn't fill, it,
just paralyzes your muscle.
So clients need a lot ofeducation with that too, because
they want to Botox everythingtoo.
(15:54):
Botox my job Bot, you know,botox my job.
Botox my temples.
I'm like no, it doesn't worklike that.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
We can put Botox in a lot of places, but, yes,
sometimes.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Right, and it's not going to fill you in, it's just
going to stop that line.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
So if you could pick one treatment to invest in every
year for yourself, what wouldyou recommend?
I already know this answer.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
I already know my answer.
I'm like anyone who knows me asan injector knows my answer.
It's going to be Sculptra.
I cannot live without thatproduct.
I will do it every year for therest of my life.
That's a good one.
Yes, and for those of you whodon't know what Sculptra is,
it's a biostimulator.
It's a polylactic acid.
It's not a filler, it's verynatural.
We inject temples, cheeks andjawline.
It builds volume.
We call it liquid facelift andit'll kind of pull you up and
back.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Very natural, long lasting I think mine would have
to be microneedling which is Iwould say the esthetician
version of sculptra, notinjecting anything.
but again, it also stimulatesyour natural collagen and
elastin production and I do Irecommend a lot of my clients
who do microneedling to also doSculptra.
(17:03):
Um, I think they pair reallywell together.
Um, that I think you know.
Just the more collagen, themore we can help our body with
building collagen, the betteroff we're going to be, because
it slows down as we get older.
So the more we can give it,then Right.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
We're always losing it, right, so we want to do
anything we can give it then,right, we're always losing it,
right, so we want to do anythingwe can to gain it.
And I know we talked about skinview before and I wanted to
mention micro needling with skin.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
weave is like one of my all-time pairs, like I love
that when I get them donetogether it makes such a huge
difference and I would recommendthat to anyone I think it and
this is not speaking on what wasstudied with it, but in my head
thinking to like I almost feellike it helps the skin, just
like, heal a little bit bettertoo, because the more hydrated
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that our skin is, the healthierour skin is.
It's going to heal a lot fastertoo.
That was just kind of my takeon it.
Like I said, it wasn't studiedfor that, that's nothing that's
out there, but I felt like myclients that did it um, they
just had a lot faster results Ifelt like, yeah, and like the
textural issues, that, likewe're doing skin pen on that,
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paired with skin weave, is likenight and day.
Yeah, it just looks so goodafter, like the glow that they
have is just amazing, yeah it'sa good, good little combination
like yeah and I think that goesto show too a lot of it's not
always just one treatment that'sgoing to give you your results,
like it can and a lot of timesdoes take a combination of
treatments to really kind ofcorrect the skin and give us the
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results that we're looking for.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Um, as far as like maintaining too, yeah, no, I
agree, because a lot of clientsget set on like, just give me a
treatment, like what's the onething I need.
And most people I mean we'reyounger too, like us included
we're young, we're young, I'mgoing to be young forever.
But, like, most people need aplan, like they need more than
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one thing.
You know, it's not like justcome in and get your one time
microneedling and you're goodfor a year, like no, you're
going to need a couple differentthings.
If you have redness, you needthis.
If it's texture, you need this.
If it's volume loss, you needthat.
So don't be offended as aclient when you come in and we
have like eight things that werecommend.
That's totally normal.
We're kind of working from theground up, like we talked about
in the last one there's reallynot something that's one and
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done.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
I mean, even surgery isn't a one and done.
No, yeah, people have hadmultiple facelifts.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Right.
And then they need scar therapy, and then they need all these
other things and still needBotox.
So yeah.
Yeah, nothing is one and donein aesthetics and we're always
like learning new things andfinding new treatments.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Oh yeah, it's always evolving, there's always
something new out there, andthat's why I do think talking
about some of the trends andstuff because there are trends
that come and it's like, oh yeah, this one's great.
And then maybe after a coupleof years not that it was a bad
option, but maybe didn't live upto the hype that you know it
was supposed to or that peoplethought that it would but then
there are definitely those triedand true things that are like
(20:05):
like Botox People are alwaysgoing to come in, they're going
to want their Botox.
It's going to do what it'ssupposed to do.
It's a tried and true.
Yeah, be around forever.
Yeah, people will not give uptheir Botox, which is fine, you
don't have to.
Yes, I don't want to either.
So, being a part of thecorporate training team with
Kator Med Spa, how would you saythat Kator has stayed ahead of
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the curve when it comes totraining and technology?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
So we as providers, we go to a lot of conferences,
like every year we'll do a few.
At the conferences we learnlike what's new, what's out
there.
All these girls also lovesocial media, so they're
constantly on there finding newtrends and our owners and
corporate team are really goodabout letting us come back with
these ideas and these new thingsand letting us demo them, doing
(20:53):
some research, getting propertraining on them.
So the door's always open.
I love that about CoutureAnytime you find something new
that you want to try conference,we come back, we train
everybody on.
So we're always trying to stayahead of it.
Devices we're constantlygetting emails and information
and demos to stay ahead of it.
Um.
Devices we're constantlygetting emails and information
and demos Um, so we're alwaysstaying at the forefront, trying
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to do everything that's new and, you know, keeping up with all
the the good trends that we likenot all the trends.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
And I think it's important, like you said, about
how, when you find differentthings, you guys come back and
we do.
We demo it on our staff and youguys do on each other, on your
different providers, because wedo want to make sure that it's
something that is a good fit tostay in couture and not just a
fad that in six months it'sgoing to be like, oh, that
(21:39):
probably wasn't the best thingthat you know.
We tested out for a while andmake sure that it is something
that we truly believe is goingto be impactful for our clients.
Agreed.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Just off the top of my head, thinking of one.
I remember, do you remember,when we started Microtox?
So our first areas of Microtoxwere not just neck and chest, we
actually started in the face aswell.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
I do remember that you know, I did think about that
, I was like we don't really doface much.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
No, apparently, the first few people that were done,
some people had a little itlike kind of seeped into the
muscles so it kind of affectedtheir smile.
It made them look a littleasymmetrical.
So we like stopped that rightaway and we just continued
microtoxin that can test, whichwe had no issues with, but the
face was a little learning curve.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
But I think that is a true testament to go and show
that we test these things outfirst before we just go and
start injecting all of ourclients with it.
Oh hey, let's use you as aguinea pig.
We're the guinea pigs.
We try it out first and seewhat those results are, so we
can test that before we startoffering it to clients, right?
Speaker 2 (22:47):
But yeah, test it, tweak it or throw it away.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah, I'm glad you said that because I actually I
had a client the other day, oh,because she was talking about
the micro talks before and afterpictures that we had up there,
and I was like, oh yeah, you cando like the nag, the test, and
I was like I think I think I didsay like Because I don't yeah
one of those like, oh yeah, wehaven't actually seen that in a
while.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, good to know.
And we were treating cheeks.
So I'm like, if we're doingcheeks with Microtox and we're
not getting the results we want,skinviva is just going to be
better.
Yeah, so like we just kind ofwent to that instead, I think
that's a perfect alternative.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Yes, so where do you see the future of Keturah Med
Spa treatments heading?
Is there any trends out therethat you've kind of looked into,
that you're curious about ormaybe kind of thinking, hey,
maybe this could work, maybe not.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
One new kind of wave that I see us going with is the
health stuff.
So we're kind of, you know,doing the NAD plus and we've
done the weight loss peptidesand so getting into peptides, I
think more health conscious, um,body contouring, like we're not
just working on faces anymore,we're not just laser and
injectables.
We're kind of moving towardslike a health lifestyle brand,
(23:59):
and I like that because I thinka lot of med spas do that.
We don't want to close ourdoors on certain treatments that
other people are doing.
So I like that.
We're kind of branching outwith that and, um, I mean, we're
nurse practitioners, we'reabout like health, you know.
So it kind of I think it's agood direction that we're moving
in.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Yeah, I was excited.
Well, I was personally veryexcited when we started offering
the weight loss peptides, forpersonal reasons.
But you know, I do agree withyou that expanding our reach of
people, um to where, yeah, theperson who maybe would have
never looked into getting aBotox or a filler treatment
(24:38):
would have never known CoutureMed Spa, but they came in
because, yeah, we offer bodycontouring or we offer, um, you
know, weight loss, um pept thinkis really cool to be able to
expand.
Who we see, and you know, maybethat person who started on, you
know, weight loss getscomfortable with us and they see
what else we do and you know,just, you know mention certain
(25:01):
things and it's like, oh yeah,we can help you with that too.
So there's, you know, we cankind of be there for them for,
like you said, all over wellness, whether it's not just skin
health but also internal health.
And I'm really excited aboutthe NAD injections as well.
I had looked into those for awhile.
I know a couple of people whohave been taking them and said
that they've seen greatimprovement in just like their
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mental clarity and their energy.
So I think that's exciting thatwe are expanding on on that
side of the spa as well.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah, I mean, like you said, I agree.
I think it's a great way to getpeople in the door who maybe
would have never come in.
And it's funny to see thosepeople, even guys, like they'll
come in, they'll start theweight loss peptides or NAD or
body contouring, and thenthey're like oh you know, my
wife told me I need a littleBotox.
(25:54):
Like do you guys do that here?
And, like you said, they'recomfortable with us, they're not
embarrassed to ask for it.
And then we have a new Botoxclient.
So it really opens the doors toother treatments for clients
who maybe would have never evenasked about it before.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
So I love that.
Yeah, it's been good.
I'm excited to see what else,what else we expand on.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I mean peptides are blowing up like crazy.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
So I follow follow an account on TikTok and she.
It's funny when I listen to herlike talk about the different
names of things and there's likeI have, like my Wolverine stack
and my CKU 5000.
I don't it sounds like a robotthat they're talking about, but
it's all these different.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
I know nothing what you're saying, but okay.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
It's all these different peptides and it's,
it's wild but it's turning into,but NAD was one of the first
ones that I saw them talkingabout, um, and it's, you know, I
think I think there's a lot tostill learn in that in that
world, and you know we take ourtime really kind of finding the
ones that fit and finding whichones we think are, you know,
truly beneficial, but I think,again, just incorporating it
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into the overall health andwellness of our clients, I think
is really cool to see wherethat's going, I agree.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah, because we're not strictly aesthetics, we're
kind of like a lifestyle, likeyou know our membership, like we
have something for everything.
So I really do like that.
We're kind of getting alifestyle like you know our
membership, like we havesomething for everything.
So I really do like that.
We're kind of getting into thatspace more.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
It's been fun, it's been exciting.
Yes, all right.
Well, mary, thank you so muchfor joining me today.
Thank you.
For talking about all, the all,the all the fun treatments and
the ones that maybe just didn'twork out, and that's okay Agreed
.
All the fun treatments and theones that maybe just didn't work
out, and that's okay agreed.
So it is always inspiring tohear how passionate you are
about training patient care andhelping our team grow into
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confident, skilled providers andto all of our listeners.
If you're curious about any ofthe treatments we talked about
today or you want to learn moreabout how couture med spa is
changing the face of aestheticscare, be sure to follow us on
social media, like and subscribeto our podcast.
We'll be putting episodes outevery week.
I'm just kind of talking aboutall the different things that we
offer at Couture.
Keep you guys updated.
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You can visit us atcouturemedspacom.
You can schedule freeconsultations.
If you're local to any of us,any of our locations, you can
come in and see us and meet withany of our providers and just
kind of see what we're all aboutand real quick before we go.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I promised my proud papa that I would give a shout
out to my dad, Bill.
He loves Diane and he was soexcited that we would be doing
this, so he's fangirling rightnow.
I love that.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Hi, father, all right , un-girling right now.
I love that.
Well, thank you so much forjoining us, thank you.
Welcome back to another episode of Couture
Conversations, the podcast wherewe go behind the scenes of the
med spa world and dive into thetreatments, trends and experts
shaping the future of aesthetics.
I'm your host, Lindsay, andtoday I'm so excited to be
sitting down with none otherthan Mary Brooks, our very own
nurse practitioner and corporatetrainer here at Couture Med Spa
(00:33):
.
Mary is not only an expertinjector and educator, but she's
also seen it all when it comesto the med spa trends the good,
the bad and the ones in between.
In today's episode, we'rechatting about the best and the
worst trends over the decades,what it really takes to become a
standout aesthetic provider,and Mary's personal favorite
treatments that she swears by.
So, whether you're a seasonedskincare lover or just starting
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your med spa journey, you are infor a treat.
So, Mary, thanks for joining me, Thank you for having me.
So we're going to start offwith some of the fun stuff.
So what are some med spa trendsthat you absolutely love and
will think that they'll stayaround for all time?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Let's see.
So one of my favorites is theNefertiti lift, which kind of
came out of nowhere.
I think it makes a hugedifference in clients.
You maybe wouldn't think thatit would, but treating the
jawline and those platysmalbands is making a huge
difference for people beforehaving to go into filler.
I love that.
One Sculptra you know is myfavorite so that I will stick to
(01:37):
forever.
It's a collagen booster.
We treat temples, cheeks andjawline for a little liquid
facelift with that one.
Love that.
And then my third that I'vebeen obsessed with lately is the
Skin Veve by Jupiter.
I don't think it gets enoughattention.
It's a glow product, not a showproduct.
So it's kind of hard to showbefore and afters of that one.
You know everybody's obsessedwith before and afters.
(01:58):
They want to see it Like, theywant to know what results
they're going to get.
That one's a little bit moredifficult to kind of show that
in photos, um, so I don't thinkthat's getting enough traction.
But that's another one of myfavorites.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, I can say I've had, um, when I had skin weave
done, it was one of those that,um, I just got so many
compliments on my skin after andit wasn't like, uh, oh, you got
this done, or whatever it was.
It was just like, oh, your skinlooks really good right now.
And one thing for me that Inoticed is I felt like it helped
(02:30):
a lot with my redness.
And I know when we did ourtraining we did a training with
a dinner of one of the allergenreps and they were talking about
it and how redness wasn'tnecessarily something that was
like tested, but they did noticeit in some of their like before
and after photos with clientsthat it helped with the redness.
And for me I felt like ithelped with my redness a ton.
(02:52):
I don't know if it was more ofjust like my skin was more
hydrated or what it was, but myredness definitely went away.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
And that's a lot coming from you, because your
skin always looks freakingamazing Like.
I know you guys can't see heror whatever, but Lindsay has
perfect skin.
Any photo she takes, any videoshe makes, all I do is stare at
her amazing, glowing, amazing,perfect skin.
So it's great that you loveSkinV, because I feel like your
skin always looks great and likeI didn't even think it could
(03:19):
get better.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Thanks, yeah, it is hard and this is a better Thanks
.
Yeah, it is hard and this is aI don't know how to say it, but
it's.
It's a good problem to havethat.
Yeah, I'll try some things outand I can't really tell if I can
tell a huge difference or not,because I do have good skin and
I do do a lot of things to liketreat it and maintain it.
Um, so there's a lot of thesethings that are great out there,
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but I can't be like, oh my gosh, I saw this huge difference
with it and it was a nice thingwith SkinVeve, because at first
I didn't really notice it.
I just again felt like, oh, myskin looked really good, but
when I started getting morecompliments on it I was like hmm
, and I went back and I tookpictures and I was like, oh, my
redness is a lot better.
So when my redness wasn'tshining through as much, I felt
(04:02):
like you could see more of theglow of the skin so yeah, that
was a huge one for me.
I love SkinVeve and I wouldpair it with when a lot of my
clients we would domicroneedling with them and then
I would tell them like, hey, goget SkinVeve after, because
it's just gonna help totallyenhance that glow that they're
gonna be getting from their.
Yeah, it's definitely one ofthose more subtle like where
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someone's just like oh, yourskin looks really good.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
It looks different, Um, I completely agree.
After I got skin beef, a lot ofclients were saying, like what
are you doing?
Like your skin just looks glowy.
Like it just looks different.
Um, and I have good skin.
I don't have great skin likeyou, Um.
But for clients to actuallynotice and it would probably be
like a month after I got my skinbead that I would start getting
a lot of compliments and Iwould start to notice my makeup
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was sitting better, Like mylittle fine lines that bother me
around my eyes.
They weren't so bad.
The lines around my noseweren't so bad and I just felt
really dewy and my pores weretiny and like I just love it,
Like I can tell right at the sixweek mark, it's time to get
another one.
Give me more.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yes.
For anyone who doesn't knowwhat's the nephrotini neck lift.
So nephrotini.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Neck lift is toxin.
You can use any type of toxin.
We treat right along thejawline down all the platysmals.
We'll typically do DAOs andchin with it.
So it's paralyzing all thosedepressor muscles.
So we have the depressormuscles that cause jowling, so
those are kind of pulling whereour platysmals are pulling from
the depressor muscles in thechin just along the jawline.
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When we're knocking thosedepressors out, the other
muscles kind of counteract andkind of pull everything up.
So it looks very natural.
You get that snatched jawlinewithout having to add filler,
especially if you only have likea little bit of jowling,
something you're not quite readyfor filler for.
This is just a really goodtreatment and it kind of smooths
(05:50):
out the chin and everybody justlooks really good.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
So on the flip side of that, are there any trends
that you wish we could erasefrom the industry?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
So what I have been seeing a lot of now and I hate
to like put anybody down, buttons of injectors now are
posting their before and aftersor videos of their jawline
treatments.
I'm sorry, some of thesejawlines are just out of control
.
We're making all these peoplelook like blockheads.
We're taking these beautifulfeminine faces and completely
(06:20):
masculinizing them and thenthey're posting everyone's like
wow, amazing, good job, snatchedjawline.
But when you look from thefront, when you look at
different angles, it lookscompletely unnatural, like their
chin is three inches past theirnose when you line it up, like
that's not a good look, that'snot what we're going for.
Um, so I just think that'sgetting a little out of control
and people need to kind of toneit down and remember what a
(06:40):
natural face looks like.
You're beautifying, you're notcompletely changing, and all
this extra volume is just toomuch.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I would agree with you.
I've seen definitely going backto like the jawline area where
it's like, yes, there's thatfine line between like, yeah,
you still want to have like asnatched jawline and like it
looks good, but not making itmasculine, like not having that
squared off jawline, like that'snot not the look usually that
we're going for yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
And a lot of people are doing it, and especially
when these girls are coming inwith perfect jawlines already
you know, and they're like oh, Isaw on TikTok this jawline
treatment and it's like youdon't need it.
But I see a lot of providersnot couture.
I mean, our girls are reallygood at knowing that line when,
um, when it too much is too much, um.
But I definitely see online andsocial media and they're just
taking these perfect outlinesthat they already have and
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adding all this volume to it.
And now it's like is it a?
I don't know, is that a man, Isit a woman?
Are we overdoing it?
Like, why do they look sounnatural?
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I feel like there was one that went around.
Is it during I think during theBarbie movie, when like trap
that went around.
Is it during, I think duringthe Barbie movie, when like trap
talks went around.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I was trying to get.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
What are your thoughts on that?
I did it once, so I yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I think if you're doing it I mean obviously you
you're using your arms.
Your shoulders are sore.
At the end of the day, you'reconstantly hunched over doing
like your facials and stuff Ithink if you're doing it for
tension and it helps great, ifyou're doing it for that Barbie
look, be super careful becauseyou can overdo it.
You know, and I did see online,people have like bobbleheads.
(08:15):
Now they can't really lift uptheir head, like if it's being
placed in the wrong area.
Just make sure you go tosomeone who knows what they're
doing.
Don't overdo it.
If you're getting like ahundred units per side, like I
don't know, how are you movingyour head properly?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah, I always wonder too, like how obtainable is
that to like continuously dothat Like it's a lot of units to
for something that, yeah, it isIf it's not necessary.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Right, yeah, and if they're doing so many units like
you're probably going to buildup a tolerance and then sorry
for your forehead.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
It's not going to work anymore.
Which would you rather have?
Yes, right, I'd rather have myforehead.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Exactly so.
I'm not saying don't do it,don't follow the trend or
anything, but just don't overdoit.
Go to someone who knows whatthey're doing.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah, yeah, I liked mine when I did it and, like you
said, it was because of, withdoing facials all day, I
constantly am like hunched overarms up everything like that,
and I was like I do get a lot oflike tension in that area and
they are always really tight.
Um, I did notice a differencewith it, for sure.
I definitely felt like ithelped.
Um, but, yeah, it wasn'tsomething that I kept up with,
(09:21):
um, that I felt like, oh, I haveto do this, but I will say if,
yeah, if you're someone thatconstantly has that tension and
pulling at it, it was somethingthat that helped.
I did see a difference with it.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
How long would you say yours lasted in that area Um
?
Maybe two-ish three months,okay, yeah, so you feel like
you'd have to kind of come backand get it with your facial
Botox, probably yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Gotcha, which seemed like a lot.
Yeah right For like, yeah, tobe realistic with it, something
to do all the time.
I could see if you're like Idon't know if I want to call it
like in a flare up, but you'relike man, I've been feeling
really tense lately and like gohave it done, but to have it as
something that's doneconsistently.
I think would be really hard.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
No, yeah, I agree it's a lot of units.
Especially if you're going forthe Barbie, look like that's
even more units because you'reliterally trying to shrink that
muscle.
Yeah, so I mean me, it's notsomething I recommend all the
time.
How do you feel about lip flips?
Lip flips it's good for somepeople, some people like me who
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already has lip filler I have alittle bit of migration those
people I don't recommend.
It literally looked like Ismelled a fart for like a couple
of weeks after I got it, likemy lip was flipped up, my filler
was showing, like it was just alot.
Those girls with small lips oreven the younger girls who just
want a little something.
Great for them.
They love it.
It gives them a little bit moreof a lip show.
(10:50):
They can do their lip liner andthey're overdrawn and it looks
good.
So I think, on the properclient, the person who actually
needs it, who know it'll lookgood on it's amazing for but it
doesn't last long.
So they come back a lot fortouch-ups.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yeah, it's always a good kind of introduction into
someone who's not really readyfor a lip filler yet.
Or, like you said, maybesomeone who's young and still
has a lot of volume and theydon't need it.
They just don't have as much ofthat top lip.
I top lip, I know when I didmine.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I've done mine maybe three times now and I get really
good results.
Like yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I was going to say yours looks good Like before and
afters, but I hate it.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
You hate getting it or the feeling of it.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I hate the feeling of it.
It looks so good, like if youneed it for like pictures or
something like that, and you'relike, yeah, my top lip is
looking good.
Oh my gosh, trying to like eatsoup or like drink or do
anything I was just going to say.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I always tell clients don't get soup on a date, don't
try to eat super cereal and becute, cause it's not happening.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
It's not, and.
I felt like talking wasexhausting Cause it's like your
mouth doesn't want to makecertain movements.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Right Drinking through a straw, which we
shouldn't be doing anyway butthat's a little difficult but
hey, it looks great.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
So yeah, you know, go get it, um, as a corporate
trainer, um, so I know you'veyou've worked with a lot of
different providers.
What are some of the I don'tknow if I want to call them
biggest mistakes that you see asnew injectors?
Um, trying to follow trendsLike what are some things that
you see working with newerproviders?
(12:21):
That?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
um.
So a lot of times, providerswill want to please the client,
especially if they're new.
Maybe they don't feelcomfortable, they don't feel
like they know exactly whatthey're talking about.
Um, so clients will bring intheir TikTok videos and their
Instagram reels or their beforeand afters and show them
something that's either likecompletely unattainable,
unrealistic, or, you know, thephotos are altered and they'll
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try to do that for the clientbecause they're asking for it.
So it might even be somethingthey don't even know much about.
Like, oh, can you put filler?
Like here, like in between myyou know cheekbone and jawline,
just because I saw it done andthe pictures look good.
Don't fall into that.
Do what you know.
(13:05):
Like.
You're the expert, you're theone who is trained, not the
client.
So they're going to come to youwith some crazy things and just
knowing when to say no is goingto be really important, like
throughout your career.
I know it's really hard becauseyou have those pushy clients
who just do it, I don't care.
Like, even if it doesn't lookgood, just try it Like I want it
.
Don't fall into that.
Like, even if it doesn't lookgood, just try it Like I want it
.
Don't fall into that.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
You need no one to say no basically, have you ever
had any weird requests?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I have.
I've had somebody ask me to putfiller in their forehead, which
I know is done.
Sometimes we don't do thatFiller in their upper arm
because they had volume lossthere.
Filler anywhere, like.
I've had crazy requests forfiller places.
So just know, filler only goesin certain areas.
If they're asking for you forsome crazy thing, just say no.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
I would never think filler in the arms.
But hey, I mean, yeah, I'm like, where did you even see that?
Where did that idea come from?
Right, why?
Um, when you said not puttingfiller in like forehead, what
would be the reasons for that?
Speaker 2 (14:01):
So the skin is very thin.
The muscle's very thin there.
You can see it sometimes likeit can look wormy up under the
skin if it's not properly placed.
There's also arteries andvessels and you can go blind if
the person doesn't know whatthey're doing.
So it's a pretty risky area andI don't think the risk is worth
the reward.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I think most people too when they think of, like, if
they see a line there orsomething that they want filled,
it's something that can becorrected with, whether it's
neurotoxins or skincare or laseror microneedling, it's
something else that can be donebesides just putting filler
there.
Usually, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah, cause there's like the filler obsessed people
who are like fill this, fillthat, fill this, fill that, and
it's like no, there's otheroptions, like if you have a line
in your forehead, let's do sometoxin.
You know, like you said,microneedling um really good.
Skincare laser, that kind ofthing.
Filler is not the answer toeverything.
Um, so clients kind of thing.
Filler is not the answer toeverything, so clients should
kind of understand that.
But we have to educate them forthem to really realize that,
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because they think you couldjust fill anything.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
And I think, too a lot of times they think exactly
where they see the line is wherethe filler needs to go.
So, like what I see the mostwhen talking with clients,
especially when you talk aboutlike nasal labial folds, and
they'll be like, oh, I wantfiller here and they'll point to
like their nasal labial foldsand want it, which sometimes you
can do filler there and certainthings.
But a lot of times I'll hearthe providers be like, oh, we
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should actually like do cheeksand kind of help pull that back
to kind of soften those lines.
Um, so again, I think it justgoes with with educating the
clients on why.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Um, but a lot of times, yeah, the thing we you
see align anywhere and it's like, oh, put a little bit of filler
in there, just fill that in, oryou have the opposite, where
they'll have the nasolabials andthey'll be like put some Botox
here and it's like Botox doesn'tdo that, it doesn't fill, it,
just paralyzes your muscle.
So clients need a lot ofeducation with that too, because
they want to Botox everythingtoo.
(15:54):
Botox my job Bot, you know,botox my job.
Botox my temples.
I'm like no, it doesn't worklike that.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
We can put Botox in a lot of places, but, yes,
sometimes.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Right, and it's not going to fill you in, it's just
going to stop that line.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
So if you could pick one treatment to invest in every
year for yourself, what wouldyou recommend?
I already know this answer.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
I already know my answer.
I'm like anyone who knows me asan injector knows my answer.
It's going to be Sculptra.
I cannot live without thatproduct.
I will do it every year for therest of my life.
That's a good one.
Yes, and for those of you whodon't know what Sculptra is,
it's a biostimulator.
It's a polylactic acid.
It's not a filler, it's verynatural.
We inject temples, cheeks andjawline.
It builds volume.
We call it liquid facelift andit'll kind of pull you up and
back.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Very natural, long lasting I think mine would have
to be microneedling which is Iwould say the esthetician
version of sculptra, notinjecting anything.
but again, it also stimulatesyour natural collagen and
elastin production and I do Irecommend a lot of my clients
who do microneedling to also doSculptra.
(17:03):
Um, I think they pair reallywell together.
Um, that I think you know.
Just the more collagen, themore we can help our body with
building collagen, the betteroff we're going to be, because
it slows down as we get older.
So the more we can give it,then Right.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
We're always losing it, right, so we want to do
anything we can give it then,right, we're always losing it,
right, so we want to do anythingwe can to gain it.
And I know we talked about skinview before and I wanted to
mention micro needling with skin.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
weave is like one of my all-time pairs, like I love
that when I get them donetogether it makes such a huge
difference and I would recommendthat to anyone I think it and
this is not speaking on what wasstudied with it, but in my head
thinking to like I almost feellike it helps the skin, just
like, heal a little bit bettertoo, because the more hydrated
(17:47):
that our skin is, the healthierour skin is.
It's going to heal a lot fastertoo.
That was just kind of my takeon it.
Like I said, it wasn't studiedfor that, that's nothing that's
out there, but I felt like myclients that did it um, they
just had a lot faster results Ifelt like, yeah, and like the
textural issues, that, likewe're doing skin pen on that,
(18:07):
paired with skin weave, is likenight and day.
Yeah, it just looks so goodafter, like the glow that they
have is just amazing, yeah it'sa good, good little combination
like yeah and I think that goesto show too a lot of it's not
always just one treatment that'sgoing to give you your results,
like it can and a lot of timesdoes take a combination of
treatments to really kind ofcorrect the skin and give us the
(18:30):
results that we're looking for.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Um, as far as like maintaining too, yeah, no, I
agree, because a lot of clientsget set on like, just give me a
treatment, like what's the onething I need.
And most people I mean we'reyounger too, like us included
we're young, we're young, I'mgoing to be young forever.
But, like, most people need aplan, like they need more than
(18:52):
one thing.
You know, it's not like justcome in and get your one time
microneedling and you're goodfor a year, like no, you're
going to need a couple differentthings.
If you have redness, you needthis.
If it's texture, you need this.
If it's volume loss, you needthat.
So don't be offended as aclient when you come in and we
have like eight things that werecommend.
That's totally normal.
We're kind of working from theground up, like we talked about
in the last one there's reallynot something that's one and
(19:27):
done.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
I mean, even surgery isn't a one and done.
No, yeah, people have hadmultiple facelifts.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Right.
And then they need scar therapy, and then they need all these
other things and still needBotox.
So yeah.
Yeah, nothing is one and donein aesthetics and we're always
like learning new things andfinding new treatments.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Oh yeah, it's always evolving, there's always
something new out there, andthat's why I do think talking
about some of the trends andstuff because there are trends
that come and it's like, oh yeah, this one's great.
And then maybe after a coupleof years not that it was a bad
option, but maybe didn't live upto the hype that you know it
was supposed to or that peoplethought that it would but then
there are definitely those triedand true things that are like
(20:05):
like Botox People are alwaysgoing to come in, they're going
to want their Botox.
It's going to do what it'ssupposed to do.
It's a tried and true.
Yeah, be around forever.
Yeah, people will not give uptheir Botox, which is fine, you
don't have to.
Yes, I don't want to either.
So, being a part of thecorporate training team with
Kator Med Spa, how would you saythat Kator has stayed ahead of
(20:28):
the curve when it comes totraining and technology?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
So we as providers, we go to a lot of conferences,
like every year we'll do a few.
At the conferences we learnlike what's new, what's out
there.
All these girls also lovesocial media, so they're
constantly on there finding newtrends and our owners and
corporate team are really goodabout letting us come back with
these ideas and these new thingsand letting us demo them, doing
(20:53):
some research, getting propertraining on them.
So the door's always open.
I love that about CoutureAnytime you find something new
that you want to try conference,we come back, we train
everybody on.
So we're always trying to stayahead of it.
Devices we're constantlygetting emails and information
and demos to stay ahead of it.
Um.
Devices we're constantlygetting emails and information
and demos Um, so we're alwaysstaying at the forefront, trying
(21:13):
to do everything that's new and, you know, keeping up with all
the the good trends that we likenot all the trends.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
And I think it's important, like you said, about
how, when you find differentthings, you guys come back and
we do.
We demo it on our staff and youguys do on each other, on your
different providers, because wedo want to make sure that it's
something that is a good fit tostay in couture and not just a
fad that in six months it'sgoing to be like, oh, that
(21:39):
probably wasn't the best thingthat you know.
We tested out for a while andmake sure that it is something
that we truly believe is goingto be impactful for our clients.
Agreed.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Just off the top of my head, thinking of one.
I remember, do you remember,when we started Microtox?
So our first areas of Microtoxwere not just neck and chest, we
actually started in the face aswell.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
I do remember that you know, I did think about that
, I was like we don't really doface much.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
No, apparently, the first few people that were done,
some people had a little itlike kind of seeped into the
muscles so it kind of affectedtheir smile.
It made them look a littleasymmetrical.
So we like stopped that rightaway and we just continued
microtoxin that can test, whichwe had no issues with, but the
face was a little learning curve.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
But I think that is a true testament to go and show
that we test these things outfirst before we just go and
start injecting all of ourclients with it.
Oh hey, let's use you as aguinea pig.
We're the guinea pigs.
We try it out first and seewhat those results are, so we
can test that before we startoffering it to clients, right?
Speaker 2 (22:47):
But yeah, test it, tweak it or throw it away.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah, I'm glad you said that because I actually I
had a client the other day, oh,because she was talking about
the micro talks before and afterpictures that we had up there,
and I was like, oh yeah, you cando like the nag, the test, and
I was like I think I think I didsay like Because I don't yeah
one of those like, oh yeah, wehaven't actually seen that in a
while.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, good to know.
And we were treating cheeks.
So I'm like, if we're doingcheeks with Microtox and we're
not getting the results we want,skinviva is just going to be
better.
Yeah, so like we just kind ofwent to that instead, I think
that's a perfect alternative.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Yes, so where do you see the future of Keturah Med
Spa treatments heading?
Is there any trends out therethat you've kind of looked into,
that you're curious about ormaybe kind of thinking, hey,
maybe this could work, maybe not.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
One new kind of wave that I see us going with is the
health stuff.
So we're kind of, you know,doing the NAD plus and we've
done the weight loss peptidesand so getting into peptides, I
think more health conscious, um,body contouring, like we're not
just working on faces anymore,we're not just laser and
injectables.
We're kind of moving towardslike a health lifestyle brand,
(23:59):
and I like that because I thinka lot of med spas do that.
We don't want to close ourdoors on certain treatments that
other people are doing.
So I like that.
We're kind of branching outwith that and, um, I mean, we're
nurse practitioners, we'reabout like health, you know.
So it kind of I think it's agood direction that we're moving
in.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Yeah, I was excited.
Well, I was personally veryexcited when we started offering
the weight loss peptides, forpersonal reasons.
But you know, I do agree withyou that expanding our reach of
people, um to where, yeah, theperson who maybe would have
never looked into getting aBotox or a filler treatment
(24:38):
would have never known CoutureMed Spa, but they came in
because, yeah, we offer bodycontouring or we offer, um, you
know, weight loss, um pept thinkis really cool to be able to
expand.
Who we see, and you know, maybethat person who started on, you
know, weight loss getscomfortable with us and they see
what else we do and you know,just, you know mention certain
(25:01):
things and it's like, oh yeah,we can help you with that too.
So there's, you know, we cankind of be there for them for,
like you said, all over wellness, whether it's not just skin
health but also internal health.
And I'm really excited aboutthe NAD injections as well.
I had looked into those for awhile.
I know a couple of people whohave been taking them and said
that they've seen greatimprovement in just like their
(25:24):
mental clarity and their energy.
So I think that's exciting thatwe are expanding on on that
side of the spa as well.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah, I mean, like you said, I agree.
I think it's a great way to getpeople in the door who maybe
would have never come in.
And it's funny to see thosepeople, even guys, like they'll
come in, they'll start theweight loss peptides or NAD or
body contouring, and thenthey're like oh you know, my
wife told me I need a littleBotox.
(25:54):
Like do you guys do that here?
And, like you said, they'recomfortable with us, they're not
embarrassed to ask for it.
And then we have a new Botoxclient.
So it really opens the doors toother treatments for clients
who maybe would have never evenasked about it before.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
So I love that.
Yeah, it's been good.
I'm excited to see what else,what else we expand on.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I mean peptides are blowing up like crazy.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
So I follow follow an account on TikTok and she.
It's funny when I listen to herlike talk about the different
names of things and there's likeI have, like my Wolverine stack
and my CKU 5000.
I don't it sounds like a robotthat they're talking about, but
it's all these different.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
I know nothing what you're saying, but okay.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
It's all these different peptides and it's,
it's wild but it's turning into,but NAD was one of the first
ones that I saw them talkingabout, um, and it's, you know, I
think I think there's a lot tostill learn in that in that
world, and you know we take ourtime really kind of finding the
ones that fit and finding whichones we think are, you know,
truly beneficial, but I think,again, just incorporating it
(26:54):
into the overall health andwellness of our clients, I think
is really cool to see wherethat's going, I agree.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah, because we're not strictly aesthetics, we're
kind of like a lifestyle, likeyou know our membership, like we
have something for everything.
So I really do like that.
We're kind of getting alifestyle like you know our
membership, like we havesomething for everything.
So I really do like that.
We're kind of getting into thatspace more.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
It's been fun, it's been exciting.
Yes, all right.
Well, mary, thank you so muchfor joining me today.
Thank you.
For talking about all, the all,the all the fun treatments and
the ones that maybe just didn'twork out, and that's okay Agreed
.
All the fun treatments and theones that maybe just didn't work
out, and that's okay agreed.
So it is always inspiring tohear how passionate you are
about training patient care andhelping our team grow into
(27:35):
confident, skilled providers andto all of our listeners.
If you're curious about any ofthe treatments we talked about
today or you want to learn moreabout how couture med spa is
changing the face of aestheticscare, be sure to follow us on
social media, like and subscribeto our podcast.
We'll be putting episodes outevery week.
I'm just kind of talking aboutall the different things that we
offer at Couture.
Keep you guys updated.
(27:56):
You can follow us on Instagram,tiktok, youtube, facebook.
You can visit us atcouturemedspacom.
You can schedule freeconsultations.
If you're local to any of us,any of our locations, you can
come in and see us and meet withany of our providers and just
kind of see what we're all aboutand real quick before we go.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I promised my proud papa that I would give a shout
out to my dad, Bill.
He loves Diane and he was soexcited that we would be doing
this, so he's fangirling rightnow.
I love that.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Hi, father, all right , un-girling right now.
I love that.
Well, thank you so much forjoining us, thank you.
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