December 8, 2025 • 47 mins
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Your social feed says “glass skin” is one serum away, but your face says otherwise. We took the most viral skincare trends—slugging, skin cycling, hypochlorous acid sprays, beef tallow, dupes, at‑home dermaplaning and microneedling—and compared them with what actually works in the treatment room and at home. With Lindsay, lead aesthetician at Couture Med Spa, plus Daimie and Claudia weighing the pro and consumer angles, we break down when a trend helps your barrier, when it wrecks it, and how to tell the difference before you click buy.
We get honest about slugging: a thin occlusive layer can rescue windburned or post‑procedure skin, but sealing tretinoin or acne-prone congestion under petrolatum is a recipe for irritation. Skin cycling? More of a rebrand of solid basics—pace your exfoliants, introduce retinoids gradually, and protect recovery nights—than a miracle method. We also spotlight a keeper: hypochlorous acid. As a gentle, immune‑inspired antimicrobial mist, it calms redness, supports healing, and saves sweaty gym skin without wrecking makeup.
On the no‑go list: beef tallow for faces and any at‑home needles or scalpels. Tallow’s heavy lipids and mismatched pH can congest and disrupt your barrier; DIY microneedling and dermaplaning invite microtears and sanitation risks best left to professionals. For “dupe” culture, we explain why matching ingredient lists doesn’t match results—delivery systems, processing, and final formulation drive effectiveness—and share how to build smart minimalist routines that still correct and protect. Whether you chase glow or prefer matte, we show you how to get healthy, consistent results without falling for black market injectables or TikTok shop traps.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:15):
Hello and welcome to Kutora Conversations.
Today we're diving into some ofthe biggest beauty and skincare
trends blowing up on socialmedia.
What makes this conversationinteresting is that we're
looking at these trends from alldifferent perspectives.
I'm your host, Lindsay, leadaesthetician at Couture Med Spa.
Today we have Damie, who's oneof Kutor's aestheticians,
bringing the professional skinhair skin health treatment-based
(00:37):
view.
And we have Claudia, ourpractice administrator, bringing
the consumer perspective.
What looks appealing, what'sconfusing, and what people are
trying in real life.
This isn't about calling trendsright or wrong.
It's just fun, realconversations about what we're
seeing online and how weactually really feel about them.
Damie, Claudia, welcome.
(00:58):
So, I mean, you both loveTikTok.
Yes.
Yeah.
All kinds of trends that we seeon there.
Do you see a lot of um skincaretrends on your TikTok management
social media things?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:09):
I'm like, I need to try this.
I need to go straight on Amazon.
Yeah, anything.
She will buy anything.
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_00 (01:17):
Do you buy from TikTok shop or do you buy it?
SPEAKER_01 (01:19):
I do, but I'm like, it takes too long.
So I need I go on Amazon.
I'm like, I'll have it tomorrow.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (01:26):
I do the same thing.
I'm always like, let's see if Ican find the same thing on I get
it.
So we all get caught up in theuh the social media trends.
Do you have a lot of clients whocome in that say, I saw this on
TikTok or I saw this on socialmedia?
Every day.
SPEAKER_02 (01:40):
And they're like, some things are like foolery.
No, we're not doing that.
SPEAKER_00 (01:46):
What's the wildest thing you've heard?
Can you think of something?
SPEAKER_01 (01:49):
I think definitely.
I think the wildest thing I'veheard, maybe okay, definitely
like macroniloing on the face iscrazy.
Like the depth that they go to.
SPEAKER_02 (02:00):
Yeah, the at-home kiss.
SPEAKER_01 (02:01):
Yeah, the at-home stuff.
Like then they bring it up tolike their scalp to help with
hair growth.
I'm like, guys, no, like that'sactually and like they reuse it.
It's like not sanitary.
I think that's like the craziestone because like deep in their
skin.
SPEAKER_02 (02:17):
Yeah, definitely any like laser treatments, anything
that's laser or like needles athome.
Like, no, I don't trust that.
And they have like no idea whatthey're doing.
unknown (02:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (02:26):
Like, oh, I don't know.
I just do it.
I saw it on TikTok.
Yeah.
I saw it.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (02:31):
I see on TikTok all the time.
I didn't list this on one of ourtrends that we were talking
about, but I've seen people talkabout like doing like
neurotoxins and like sculpture.
It's not real.
SPEAKER_01 (02:41):
They buy it off the black market.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:43):
And like do it themselves.
I'm like, no, we do have piesthat do that.
SPEAKER_01 (02:46):
I'm like, no, it's scary.
SPEAKER_00 (02:49):
Please go to a professional for this.
SPEAKER_01 (02:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:52):
All right.
So one of the first ones we'regonna be talking about is
slugging.
So for anyone who doesn't know,slugging is applying a thick
occlusive layer, usuallysomething like Vaseline or an
occlusive balm, over yourskincare at night to help seal
in moisture and prevent waterloss.
So what are your thoughts onslugging?
SPEAKER_01 (03:10):
Okay.
I I guess you can say I do avariation of it because I like
to use more of like a barriercream at night.
Um, but I can't get behindVaseline like on the face.
Like I can't like the oil, andit's like gonna trap in like any
bacteria, and I just wake upcongested.
I don't know how they're like,oh my skin looks great because
(03:32):
my skin looks disgusting.
SPEAKER_02 (03:35):
I agree.
I could never do that.
I would break out so bad.
It's just oil, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (03:39):
Like, yeah, it's definitely not, I wouldn't say
the best for like acne proneskin.
Um, I I'm kind of like used tolike a variation of slugging,
like using a really like so likeour TNS or my treatment cream,
something that has a lot of likerich emollients in it that are
gonna like lock in moisture.
Um, I will say there are somepeople that I think doing like a
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really, especially if they havea really compromised barrier,
um, doing as long as you have tocleanse your skin really, really
well first, um, and put on somesort of hydrating serum, putting
a very, very thin layer of likea Vaseline or an aquifer or
something, if their skin feelsreally like chapped.
(04:23):
Like um, I had a client who shewas up north somewhere, like in
um like Colorado or somewhere.
So, like really, really cold,and her skin was almost like
windburned, like chapped,something like that.
Right, it's great for it's justgonna lock that in.
It's not gonna let any of thatmoisture escape, but you have to
wash it off in the morning.
You have to make sure you'regetting it really clean.
Um, but yeah, I think just likein normal daily, like night or
(04:46):
nighttime, I guess, likeskincare, I probably would stick
for more of like a richermoisturizer.
Um also you don't ever want todo slugging with like Vaseline
or something with like activeingredients.
Right.
I think that's the hard part.
SPEAKER_01 (05:00):
Yeah, like I have clients are like, oh yeah, just
do my tretinoin and then likeaquafore on top.
I'm like, no, please don't everdo that again.
SPEAKER_00 (05:07):
And then they'll tell you their skin's very
sensitive.
Super sensitive.
SPEAKER_01 (05:10):
Yeah, I'm like, yeah, this is why.
They're like, oh, because I'mpeeling so much.
I'm like, it doesn't, yeah, no,it's like you still can't do it.
Is it bad to use both together?
SPEAKER_00 (05:17):
Yeah, you don't want to, so like with when you're
using like a trut or something,it is very like active on the
skin.
And then if you're sealing thatin there, it's gonna just make
it penetrate like even deeper,which for some things, yeah,
you're like, oh, I want it topenetrate deep.
Trut works on the surface of theskin, yeah.
So it can just make it way moreactive, and they're gonna get
more irritation, more like thatlike sensitive type feel.
(05:41):
Um, so yeah, you don't everusing like TNS Aramite treatment
cream or something that's like agood balmy something is great
for hydration, but you don'twant to like seal it in like
slugging with it.
You want to do um more just verylike hydrating, like a
hyaluronic type ingredient ifyou're gonna do any type of
slugging.
Um, but again, yeah, make sureyou really wash your face off.
(06:04):
Double cleanse, yeah, that way.
And also, I feel like I justthought of this, like I feel
like they get on your pillow.
SPEAKER_02 (06:09):
Oh, like in your hair and stuff.
Yeah, it's not doing very much,it's just annoying, I feel like.
SPEAKER_00 (06:14):
Yeah, okay.
So slugging, that's yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (06:17):
Like we got to a good start.
SPEAKER_00 (06:20):
Um, I feel like a lot of people, so the next one
we're gonna talk about, I feellike a lot of people do slugging
with this.
So skin cycling.
So skin cycling is rotating youractive ingredients on specific
nights.
So, for example, an exfoliationnight, a retinol night, a
recovery night, um, to minimizeirritation and maximize results.
I feel like some people add likea night of slugging into like
(06:42):
their skin cycling.
Um, yeah, what are your thoughtson skin cycling?
SPEAKER_01 (06:47):
So, first when like skin cycling became a thing, I
would think I was just becominglike an esthetician.
And I didn't understand it.
Like I was, I had I had to likesearch it up so many times.
Like, what even is skin cycling?
And then once I became anesthetician and started doing
treatments and really starteddoing skincare, especially um
more medical grade skincare, Idon't feel like there needs to
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be different days where you'redoing different stuff.
I feel like if you havesomething good that's working,
you have your routine, like yourcorrective, your hydrator, all
that stuff.
I don't need to be switchingthrough like a niacinamide or uh
um acyl ac salicylic acid.
I think working with what youknow and having like your steps
or like a hydrator, corrective,whatever, and then like your
(07:32):
moisturizer works the best forme and my clients.
So I just I really still don'tunderstand skin cycling, to be
honest.
I'm like, why am I gonna switchall these, like have 10
different products and do itonce or twice a day?
I feel like it's kind of like inthe gym, like you work out one
thing once a week.
I don't really feel like you'regetting much help from it.
So I don't know.
That's my opinion on skincycling.
SPEAKER_02 (07:51):
Yeah, I didn't really understand it either.
And I get very overwhelmedeasily.
So when I hear like you needlike all these different
products for all these differentnights, I'm like, oh no, oh no,
baby.
SPEAKER_00 (08:00):
Like just so you're talking about like a list of
like what day.
SPEAKER_02 (08:04):
That at that point I'll get so overwhelmed, like,
I'm not doing anything.
Like, I'm someone like theminute I get overwhelmed, like
I'm done with everything.
Like, so when I saw that, I waslike, oh, this is a bit much for
me.
Like, I'm not doing this.
SPEAKER_00 (08:15):
It's like that is not my routine.
SPEAKER_02 (08:17):
Yeah, no, yeah, I'd be stressed.
SPEAKER_00 (08:19):
Yeah, I would I would agree with you, Damien.
I think I think skin cycling gotits start with.
I in my mind, I have no idea.
I think it kind of got its startwith like tret.
SPEAKER_01 (08:31):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (08:31):
Where yeah, I'll tell my clients, and you're
probably the same way, like ifyou're new to it, if you're just
starting it out, like you onlywant to use it like two nights a
week, um, you know, to get yourskin used to it, to tolerate it.
Yeah, when we talk to them aboutlike exfoliance, you don't want
to exfoli, you don't need toexfoliate every single day.
Maybe use an exfoliant a coupleof times a week.
I think that's just generalskincare.
(08:52):
And I think skin cycling kind ofjust like took that to the next,
like, oh well, what if we dothis?
Where it's really just kind of askincare routine.
Um, but I I agree with you.
I think our skin lovesconsistency.
And yeah, like you said, I likedthe analogy of like if you're
going to the gym, like if I domy arms one day and I don't do
it again for another week, likeI'm not gonna see at least the
(09:14):
results I'm looking for asquickly.
Um, I think it and I agree withyou.
I think it's very confusing.
SPEAKER_02 (09:20):
Yeah, and I feel like people that already don't
have a lot of knowledge aboutlike skincare, like that's just
like too much for them.
SPEAKER_01 (09:26):
Like, yeah, I don't even know who came up with the
term skin.
I think it's everything we justdo already, and then they kind
of have to like make it like atrend.
Like, oh, I'm gonna skin cycle,and like, yeah, you're already
using a cleanser, a explanatedcleanser, two to three times a
week.
That's not that's nothingdifferent.
SPEAKER_00 (09:42):
Honestly, I think that's what most trends are.
It's things that we do all thetime, and people are just like,
I need a new trend to talkabout.
Yeah, like even slugging, likethat's a very normal thing,
especially when you're likewound healing, you put like an
occlusive layer over top, likeit's a normal thing.
Someone just came up with a funname for it, and now it's a
trend.
SPEAKER_01 (10:00):
I I when I saw that trend, I was like, what is going
on?
And it was a lot too, like a lotof younger girls doing like that
slugging, like, oh, I'm gonnaput a whole like aquifer like
layer on my skin, or even um,there was this one that was uh
like getting using somemoisturizer and like putting a
(10:20):
layer of it on your nose, andit's gonna take off like
sebaceous filaments.
I'm like, Oh, I've seen thosevideos.
SPEAKER_00 (10:25):
Yeah, I've seen those videos.
I'm like, I want to buy one totry it just to see what it's
like.
Do I think it's taking on yoursebaceous filaments?
Exactly.
Get a good oil cleanser.
SPEAKER_01 (10:35):
So I'm like, no, it's not, it doesn't work.
SPEAKER_00 (10:36):
Yeah, I see those videos all the time though.
They just like massage itaround.
I'm like, what?
I don't know what what are theydoing?
What is that?
I know.
All right, so hypochlorous acid.
Love.
Yeah.
So hypochlorous acid is a gentleanti-inflammatory ingredient
that helps calm redness andsupport skin barrier.
It's also naturally produced bythe body's immune system.
(11:00):
So it has gained a lot ofpopularity.
Um, there we carry ahypochlorous acid spray at
Couture.
There's a lot um that are outthere, it is very popular.
Um, what are your thoughts onhypochlorous acid?
SPEAKER_01 (11:13):
I love it, and I remember when it became viral.
I remember the esthetician, theDallas, I think, esthetician,
she was using and especiallyspecifically the hygienity one.
And everyone's like, what isthis?
What is this?
What is this?
And then when we brought it on,it was perfect because you could
also use it post-treatment forthat redness, that healing.
(11:36):
So when it just kind of reallycame full circle, like in the
treatment room, and I loved italready because I knew I
actually knew what it was, and Iknew that it worked.
I was like, finally, a trendthat is like I could get behind
when she and I remember herusing like, what is that spray
that she's using?
And she would talk about howit's like um gonna kill all the
bacteria in your skin, help withredness, and just kind of did
(11:57):
everything.
She used like hand sanitizer foryour face, like those analogies,
and I was like hooked.
I'm like, oh, I need this.
And then I literally think twoweeks later we brought it in
like Couture, and I was like,Oh, perfect, like yeah, have a
discount on it now.
SPEAKER_02 (12:10):
Yeah, literally.
Damien got me one for mybirthday, like before we had it
at Couture, and I loved it.
So then once we brought it on atCouture, now I use it all the
time too.
SPEAKER_00 (12:20):
Yeah, but I mean, I love a good face mist in
general.
So the fact that it's just aspray, I'm like, And it feels so
nice, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (12:28):
And I feel like I don't know if everyone knows
this, but I feel like you canput it over like makeup and
stuff too.
Like it's fine.
Yeah, you can put it in like mymakeup come off or anything.
SPEAKER_01 (12:35):
Yeah, yeah.
I always tell clients like ifyou're going to the gym, they're
like, I feel always so like Ibreak out from the gym and like
I don't have time to like do myskincare routine before I go to
work.
I'm like, here, like put this inyour car, put it in your work
bag.
You could just miss itthroughout your miss it
throughout the day, and likeit's gonna give you a whole
refresh, reset.
SPEAKER_00 (12:53):
Yeah, it has so many uses.
Like you said, we use itpost-procedure, which is
amazing.
But like you're talking aboutgoing to the gym.
I tell all my all my gym people,I'm like, you need this, put
this in your bag, especiallytoo, like when you're especially
like if you get like anybreakouts like on your back or
like the chest area where wesweat.
I know a lot of people strugglewith that.
But even after you're done atthe gym, most people aren't
gonna bring their whole likeface wash and everything to the
(13:14):
gym.
Just spray it with that realquick.
Spray it down, get on thebacteria off, do your skincare
when you get home.
Um, but it's so versatile.
You can use it on cuts, you canuse it on scrapes, you can use
it on bug bites, you can use iton wounds, like anything.
I have clients that use it ontheir phone.
She's like, My dog had like ascratch, like a like put some
hydrantity.
(13:35):
Yeah, put some hypochlorous acidon it.
SPEAKER_01 (13:37):
I use it for everything.
I I like sometimes even likespray my phone because I know
it's gonna like disinfect it.
Yeah, so I love that.
It was like the first trend.
I'm actually like, okay, nowwe're kind of talking about, and
it wasn't even a random person,I think it was someone who was
like knowledgeable, and she kindof made it a thing.
And I think already likehygienity was such a good brand
to bring into because it waslike wound care, wound healing,
(14:00):
and that's a lot of what what wedo is like post-care,
post-treatment.
So that's I've still use it tothis day, and I don't think I'll
ever not use it.
SPEAKER_00 (14:09):
Yeah, I can't go without it.
Yeah, but chloros acid, thatone's a must.
All right, beef tallow.
So, beef tallow is usingrendered animal fat as a
moisturizer, promoted as allnatural.
What are your thoughts doing?
I can see it in the face.
SPEAKER_01 (14:31):
When I so I was so confused because I saw videos of
like people rendering beeftallow, and I'm like, what are
they using this for?
And then people were putting iton their face, and I got scared
because it's literally fat thatyou're putting on your face, and
you're gonna be so congestedafter.
Like, I can't imagine itworking.
(14:52):
Like, I would just I've nevertried it, I don't think I'll
ever try it.
But I was genuinely scared, likethat became a trend because even
watching the video, people likerendering the fat made me never
want to use that.
And at first, I'm like, oh, it'slike bone broth.
Like, I know I even know likebone broth's becoming such a big
thing.
I'm like, oh, it's like feed itto your dog or whatever.
And I'm putting it on theirskin, and it's oil, it's like
(15:15):
literally oil, and I just feellike the bacteria, and like
also, where are you getting thisbeef tallow?
SPEAKER_00 (15:20):
The buttons, the black market from my smoker out.
SPEAKER_01 (15:26):
What are you like making some bacon and then
taking the fat and likerendering it?
Like, there's just no way likeyou could really like sanitize
like this beef tallow.
No way, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (15:36):
No, uh, that terrified me.
I'm too scared to put Vaselineon my face.
I'm not putting beef tallow onmy face.
SPEAKER_00 (15:42):
You're not gonna take it to the next wall.
SPEAKER_02 (15:44):
I just cannot imagine like the amount of acne
I'd wake up to if I did that.
Yeah, I just know that'd be bad.
SPEAKER_00 (15:50):
Yeah.
I had a Davey and I had thisconversation not too long ago,
and I um had a client not toolong ago.
She's so sweet, she always hasreally dry skin.
And I hadn't seen her in a whilefor a facial.
And she came in and she was, youknow, we're talking, she's like,
Oh, she's like, Yeah, I startedusing um beef tallow on my face,
and I was like, Okay, I'm nevergonna be the one that's gonna go
right into me.
Like, you shouldn't use that.
(16:11):
I'm like, okay.
Like, she's like, it my skinjust feels really hydrated.
And I was like, okay.
Um, you know, it's one thingwith beef tallow too, is it's a
completely different pH than ourskin.
So it really can mess with likeyour barrier over long-term use.
Yeah, when you first put it on,I will completely, I've never
tried it, I'm not putting thaton my face, but um, just knowing
like what it is.
It's a it's a large, so it'sgonna be like hydrating in a
(16:34):
sense.
That yeah, you might at firstfeel really hydrated, but
long-term use of it, it's gonnadisrupt that skin barrier.
Um, it's gonna irritate the skinand it is going to congest those
pores.
Um, but anyway, so I was just,you know, letting her know I was
like, okay, just I want you topay attention to your skin.
Like, you know, if you feel likeyou start to notice more
breakouts or you see anychanges, like, you know, and I
(16:54):
explained to her about the pH ofthe skin and everything.
And um, I was doing herextractions, and she normally
has really like dry skin, so herpores are really tight.
I normally don't have to do alot of extractions because her
skin's really dry, which isnormal.
And I was like doing, I'm like,oh, she that she had a lot more
sebaceous this time.
And I didn't say anything, youknow, I'm just doing my thing.
(17:15):
And she's like, I feel likeyou're doing a lot more than you
normally do.
And I was like, I am like youhave a lot more congestion in
there, and you could just seelike the oil buildup in the nose
and in the chin, and that's theonly thing that's different that
she has done.
And she was like, Do you thinkit's from that?
And I was like, It's a very bigpossibility, like, you know,
that it's such a big moleculethat is then just like a fatty
(17:40):
molecule that's sitting on topof the face.
It's not gonna penetrate in yourskin to do anything, it's just
gonna sit there.
Um, and if you're using like,you know, a cleanser and stuff,
especially if you're not using areally good cleanser, it's not
gonna get all of that out ofthere.
Um, and so um Damien kind ofsaid it when she said that, but
I was like, so I was like, doyou know what beef tallow is?
(18:00):
And she's like, I mean, not likeI know it's you know, from like
a meat or whatever, like it'syou know, she's like, but I
don't really know.
And I was like, so beef tallowis from beef, but if you think
of like bacon, when you'recooking bacon and it's cooking
all up and frying up, and thenyou just see all the fat
liquefied in there, like sittingin there, and then you take your
bacon out, and if you let it sitand it like solidifies, I'm
(18:24):
like, that's essentially whatbeef tallow is, but it's just
coming from beef, it's all ofthe fat and everything from it
that then gets down in there andthen solidifies.
Like, that's what you're puttingon your face.
Like, would you take the greasefrom bacon and just slop it on
your face?
And she's like, no, that soundsterrible.
I'm like, that's essentiallywhat beef tallow is like that's
the same thing.
It's just from a different, youknow, animal.
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And she's like, okay, I'm gonnastop using that immediately.
So we got her on a differentmoisturizer to help.
Um, but I just I think thatthere's so many, there's so many
other things out there that canhydrate your skin, that can be
good for your skin, besidesputting animal fat on your face.
Um, I know some people who makelike chapsticks out of it.
(19:08):
Um, or if you have like really,really like dry elbows or
something like that, like itstill wouldn't be my go-to.
We make lotions and moisturizersfor no reason.
Um, but I can see it helpingwith that.
But the skin on our face is sodifferent.
It's a different pH, it's somuch more delicate.
I just I can't imagine puttingbeef fat on my face.
(19:29):
It's just not a trend I willever get behind.
I'm so sorry if you use it.
Like in my pain, but yeah, oryou know, go get a facial and
have them do a deep cleanse andsee how much is still sitting in
there.
But all I can think about islike my husband husband makes
beef brisket and it's amazing.
And we literally put a trayunderneath of it and it drips
(19:52):
the fat and we save it and welike cook with it, but like I
would never in my mind be like,let me just lather that on my
face.
SPEAKER_01 (19:59):
No, it's scary.
SPEAKER_00 (20:00):
It's not a trend I'm gonna get behind.
So sorry.
SPEAKER_01 (20:03):
And I like how when they tell you something, you're
you're so good because you'relike, oh, they could see the
immediate horror.
I'm gonna.
I'm like, no, I educateobviously, but I'm they could
like, and I think they kind oflike that honesty.
I'm like, are you kidding me?
I have all my clients that arelike when they bring up a TikTok
drone, I just bought this.
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I'm like, you did what?
Like, go return it right now.
I cannot hold it in my I can'tgo get your money back and I'll
show you what's gonna be.
And I'll show you what's better,and you're probably gonna save
money in the long run becauseand time, like going now to put
this back, but um they'reimmediate.
I'm like stunned at the thingsthat they tell me, and and now
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they know they're like, I'mgonna tell you something.
We're like, don't be mad.
Don't be mad.
I'm like, I just saw you twoweeks ago.
Yeah, well, what can what kindof what have you done?
SPEAKER_00 (20:54):
Yeah, what can we done?
TikTok.
That's what they've done in thatamount of time.
They've watched people ticktock, yeah.
I know.
All right, so beef tails now forus all all across the board.
All right, so dupes culture.
So a dupe is finding a cheaperproduct online that claims to
mimic luxury or medical gradeskincare.
SPEAKER_01 (21:16):
This one's hard because there are really great
dupes out there, but I reallyhaven't found a lot of them for
medical grade skincare,honestly, in my opinion.
I remember when it was likeCOVID time and like the ordinary
became a thing, and it was justlike all these acids for like
seven dollars, and people wereputting like this peel it's like
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that red peel.
Yeah, you remember?
And I was like, and this is whenI was again just starting like
esthetician school, and I waslike, I I may not be an
esthetician yet, but I knowthat's not good for you.
SPEAKER_02 (21:45):
Now there's like a recall on it.
SPEAKER_01 (21:47):
Oh is there really?
SPEAKER_02 (21:48):
That's what I I I I saw it on TikTok.
SPEAKER_01 (21:51):
Our news source says TikTok, all my information comes
from there, yeah.
But it's like there's no way,like, and then if you read the
ingredients list, and then it'slike it's actually just nothing.
So I think that kind of startedlike the culture of like dupes.
Um, especially like I came fromluxury like cosmetic sales, and
we were like clinique, essay,lauder, like land come.
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That's what you were buying.
And I can't believe like thoseare even considered dupes now,
but I would still when peopleare like, Oh, yeah, I like use
my like clinique wash, I'm like,okay, it's she's like, Well,
it's like 50 bucks.
I'm like, Yeah, it doesn'tmatter, even the price doesn't
matter.
So I think dupes depending on ifyou're doing something
corrective or not, um it kind ofscare me.
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I have to do a lot of researchand have to really try it, but I
think overall I'm not gonnastick to my medical group.
SPEAKER_02 (22:40):
Yeah, I feel like there's very few dupes that can
like compare.
I feel like you get what you payfor, like you can't get a dupe
and expect it to do the samething as what we have in the
spa.
SPEAKER_00 (22:52):
Yeah, I always tell my clients because I I very
much, like you said, and kind ofyou know, there are some good
dupes out there.
There are some good, there aregood over-the-counter products.
Like, I think if someone reallyis on a budget, I would rather
you be using something that isI'd rather you still have a
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routine um than not at all.
But I think that there goes, Ithink that there plays a big
role in so you brought up theordinary.
And a lot of their products areit's just like a one single
ingredient type thing.
So one, you're asking consumersto know what all of these
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ingredients are, how they worktogether, what they're supposed
to be doing, and how to usethem.
Um, I also think that it's verymuch formulation, like
formulation plays a huge role.
And my analogy that I use to myclients all the time is you
could hand me, so I'm not, Idon't even know a product to
compare it to, but I can handyou one of our products that we
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sell on the spa, and you canhand me a product that is like
an over-the-counter and it haslarge majority like the same
ingredients in them, but theformulation of that matters so
much.
Like our skin is a protectivebarrier, and its whole goal is
to keep stuff out.
So when you're putting theseproducts on your skin, they
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really have to have a deliverysystem and be formulated to get
into the skin to actually make achange.
And I always tell them, I'mlike, it's the same as if I
handed you all the ingredientsto make Coca-Cola.
And then you have like Coca-Colaand you have the real thing, is
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yours gonna taste the exact sameas what Coca-Cola does.
You have all the sameingredients, you don't know how
much is in there, you don't knowwhat they do to the ingredients,
you don't know how long it doeswhatever it has to do for, but
it's the same ingredients.
So it should be the same thing,right?
It's a dupe, it's the exact samething.
Um, same as like if you buy Cokeand then you buy it with some,
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what's like the store brand,like the I don't even know what
they're called.
Like, yeah, like the, you know,like name, like whatever, like
the store brand.
Yeah.
Everyone's like, oh, it doesn'ttaste like coke.
It's not the same.
It's the same thing how it goeswith skincare.
Just because you have the exactsame ingredients in something
doesn't mean it's gonna give youthat same formulation.
And just because a product has acertain ingredient in it, it's
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final formulation.
So all of the products that likewe carry and that we use, their
final formulation is tested andproven to do what it says it's
gonna do.
Where just because a I'll uselike tranxemic acid because it's
popular right now and it's greatfor pigmentation.
Tranexemic acid itself as aningredient has proven like,
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okay, it can help withpigmentation.
But if you give me a productthat says, oh, it has tranxomic
acid in it, they can say, Oh,it's gonna help with
pigmentation.
But when it's in its finalformulation, whatever else is in
it, it might do absolutelynothing for you, where the final
formulation of the products thatwe carry are tested.
So they know everything that'sin it, what it's gonna do, and
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what it's gonna show.
Um, you know, I do think thatthere are some dupes out there
that are, like you said, thatthey're good, they're fine, but
they're not gonna give you thesame result.
Right.
So if you really are, you reallycan't afford, you know,
something that we're offering toyou, yeah, you can find
something that might havesimilar ingredients and you
might see a little bit ofdifference.
(26:26):
You know, it might help you alittle bit, but overall, it's
probably not gonna give you thesame effectiveness as it is.
SPEAKER_01 (26:34):
I think hyaluronics are a good one too.
Because I remember evenhyaluronics becoming so popular,
everything had hyaluronic,whatever.
And then when we brought in,like, I think hygienity is
hyaluronic, and she came andtalked to us about it, she was
like, Yeah, like the differencebetween this hyaluronic and
whatever you buy, um, it's likehow they press, the way that
they press are hyaluronic.
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So it's even now I like useadnology a lot too, like, yeah,
it's hyaluronic, but it's likealso like when you get to that
hyaluronic point, like how muchhyaluronic is in there.
SPEAKER_00 (27:04):
Yeah, because hyaluronic is very when it is um
heated up, right?
It breaks down.
So like those chains break downwhen they get warm.
So like you were talking aboutwith hydrenity, they do not use
heat at all when they when theymake theirs.
Yeah, it's like a cold press.
And so it doesn't lose, itdoesn't break down any of those
chains.
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So you're getting a betterformulation.
So yeah, they're both hyaluronicacid.
It's great.
They both have hyaluronic acidin it, but how they're
formulated and what they usemakes such a big difference.
SPEAKER_02 (27:36):
Yeah, even when we had Obashi, when the clients
would be like, Oh, I bought atTJ Maxx.
SPEAKER_01 (27:40):
Remember how they would always be like, I found
that TJ Maxx?
I'm like, and I thought, and Iremember at this point, like
Obaj had even like two differenttypes of I feel like lines,
lines or yeah, because they haveum like Susan Obaji as well,
that's like they're moresensitive.
SPEAKER_00 (27:54):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (27:55):
And then like they had I know like they had medical
grade syndrome.
I'm like, okay, and like alsothen it's like how long is it
sitting on the shelves?
Yeah, too, like that's scary.
I just think there's so many.
I don't know.
I feel like when you come andlike you get a certain skin
care, or like even you'respending a little bit more
money.
I feel like you're spending alittle bit more money for a
reason.
I think it also has to do withresearch and like what works for
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you.
Um, I think Claudia's a good onebecause she's Neutrogena.
I used to love it when it wasn'tworking for her.
It really showed.
Even like I tried, so for abrief moment, I tried the
ordinary, and I sorry, I becauseI know you bought it too through
my recommendation.
What?
But I saw someone like they usetheir brown lash serum.
SPEAKER_00 (28:35):
I didn't even know they had a brown lash serum.
It doesn't work.
SPEAKER_01 (28:38):
Okay, yeah, I didn't think it worked either.
Yeah, it's like nine dollars,like why not?
SPEAKER_02 (28:43):
Yeah, she wasn't.
SPEAKER_01 (28:43):
Worth a try.
SPEAKER_02 (28:44):
I heard it works so good.
SPEAKER_01 (28:45):
Yeah, I've used like my neural one again for like a
week now, and I've seen a biggerdifference than I have in like
the ordinary one.
So I think like there's justsome things like you have to
spend the money on, especiallylike corrective stuff.
I get it, maybe we're gonna likesave money on like a little bit
of a like a cleanser or amoisturizer, but if you're
wanting to fine lines andwrinkles, even texture, like
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you're gonna have to just spenda little bit more money because
you know it's the type of acidsor the ingredients that are
going into the product.
Like TNS isn't you know TNS fora reason.
Like, there's a reason why, liketheir growth factors, like what
they were like the first yeah,they were the first, yeah, that
started with growth factors.
So, like, there's a reason whynow that they're like the number
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one like corrective serum,anti-aging serum out there.
SPEAKER_00 (29:32):
Yeah, and like you're talking about like when
finding them at like Marshall'sand stuff like that, because
even if they don't technicallyhave an expiration date on them,
um, I think it's typically likea two year shelf life that most
products will have.
They've probably sat on a shelfsomewhere for over two years and
didn't sell.
SPEAKER_02 (29:51):
Two years is a long time.
SPEAKER_00 (29:52):
I that's it is, but they probably sat on a shelf for
two years somewhere and didn'tsell.
So then they bring them.
So the
SPEAKER_02 (30:00):
Effectiveness of the product is yeah, because in the
very questionable like, well, Ibought this and it didn't even
work.
So, like, I'm not gonna get thisbecause this isn't gonna work.
Where'd you buy it from?
Yeah, TJ Maxx for eight dollars.
SPEAKER_00 (30:11):
And Amazon is, I always tell people too.
I'm like, Amazon, be carefulwith Amazon because they sell
fakes of I saw someone do areally good comparison.
I'd have to see if I can findit.
Um, I think it was the some uhZio products, and they had the
real one and then the one thatcame from Amazon, and they look
almost identical.
There's like a few little thingsthat you can tell that are
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different.
Oh gosh, I didn't know.
Oh, yeah, you can get fakes fromthey're selling dupes too.
For full price, they'rescamming, yeah, for full price,
and it's so I always I'm like,don't buy your skincare from
Amazon, please.
SPEAKER_01 (30:46):
Please, you could tell.
I think it's like if they have astore, like I think a couple
like if I buy something onAmazon, I make sure it's like
the store, but you can you know,because saying like third party
um seller, I'm like, no, who's aseller?
Yeah, you're getting it fromlike yeah, China.
SPEAKER_00 (31:04):
Literally, yeah, Amazon will get you.
Yeah, all right.
So dupes, we're so so on.
There can be a few good ones,but all right, so minimalist
skincare.
So minimalist skincare is usingfewer products and simpler
routines instead of layingmultiple serums and actives.
SPEAKER_01 (31:24):
I think it depends on who is your client, who's
using these products.
Because I know for myself in themorning I tend to keep it a
little bit more hydrating, um,sun protection.
But at night, that's when I'mlike using all my corrective
stuff or my preventative stuff,more of my actives.
Um, so I really think that oneis just like who is it?
(31:48):
Are what is their commitmentlevel?
And I know a lot of people thatdon't cleanse their skin in the
morning and they like get awaywith it.
I I can't, I have to cleanse inthe morning because I just use
all my stuff at night.
Um, so I really think that oneis who, but if you are have if
you're someone with acne, finelines, wrinkles, and you're
going more simple approach,you're probably not gonna get
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the results that you want.
SPEAKER_02 (32:13):
Yeah, I well I'm a minimalist, we all know.
Uh but I've gotten better.
SPEAKER_00 (32:19):
There's nothing wrong with that.
SPEAKER_02 (32:20):
I think that's yeah, like starting off slow, like I
went from not even using like amoisturizer to having like four
steps in my skincare, which islike that's a lot for me.
And I'm like, I won't stayconsistent with things if
there's too many steps.
So I've and I I've tried it,I've tried all the steps, and
then I've caught myself like,oh, this is too much.
Like, I'm I quit, like, I'mdone.
So I don't know.
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I like it.
I feel like again, like itdepends on the person.
Like, my mom is the same asSegway.
My mom used to like not reallylike wash her face, but now she
only has like pavise and likeTNS.
Like, that's like all she usesnow.
I'm like, okay, you went fromusing nothing to being like
bougie, like this is allliterally all she has.
Pivis and TNS.
Yeah, that's all she she's onset with.
Just those.
Yeah, like that's yeah, like sheloves it.
Like, she and like she's noticeda big difference.
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Like, same thing with her.
Like, it I feel like you justhave to start out slow and then
see where it takes you.
SPEAKER_00 (33:08):
Yeah, I agree.
I think that I'm with you,Damien.
I think it really just dependson the person.
I think it's great that there'sa lot of skincare companies out
there now that are focusing onlike a minimalist routine and
kind of like an all-in-oneproduct.
So, like you mentioned, Pave's.
Um, we've started carrying thatone recently, and it literally
has four products in its wholeentire line right now: a
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cleanser, a daytime, anighttime, and an eye cream.
Um, and honestly, I love theireye cream.
But if you wanted to omit theeye cream and only have three
products, you can put theproducts around your eye.
Um, I think it's great and it'svery effective and it gives
really good results.
Um, but I also there's nightstoo, like you said, I love like
my skincare is like my me timesometimes, and it's like my
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happy, like, so I like sit downat my little desk and I have all
my little products, and I just,you know, it's my I wash
people's faces all day.
Like I want to take care of myface.
So there's definitely nightsthat I sit down and yeah, I want
to do my six, 10-step skincareroutine, and I layer it all on
and I love it.
Um, but I think there's a hugeneed for a minimalist routine.
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I think, like you said, Claudia,being overwhelming.
Um, I don't want to overwhelmsomeone.
I want someone who's gonna beconsistent with their routine.
And I'd rather you use three,four products that you can be
consistent with instead ofgiving you multiple different
products that you're just notgonna use and then you're gonna
not see results.
Um, but again, like what Damiesaid, I think it really just
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depends on your client.
And you have the people thatthey love all the different
products and the differentthings, and it's kind of their
time.
Um, but I think there is a hugeneed for a minimalist skincare
routine, but a good qualityminimalist routine.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (34:52):
I guess that ties into dupes too, because you
could have someone like gettinglike six dupes, but then you
have Pavise where it's you'rekind of doing all in once.
You're maybe you think you'respending a little bit more
money, but then you know you'regonna be committed to it.
It's one cream.
Like my mom just puts them onher bedside table and she just
says it like before she goes tobed.
A lot of it, yeah.
Because she knows, like, okay,well, I just two things I need
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to do.
So I think that also ties intothat too, because at least
you're using one product, youknow you're gonna be commitment
committed.
So yeah, and may you may thinkit's a little bit more extra
money, but you know it'sworking, and you're not having a
seven lineup of like azalic acidand isinamide.
SPEAKER_02 (35:28):
And so even like my mom before would use like she
had stuff like the ordinary andclean and stuff, and I was like,
throw this out, like we gottaget rid of this.
But now that like when she'susing like she's using less
products now, but I feel likeshe's getting like better
results, right?
SPEAKER_00 (35:41):
That's yeah, you can get amazing results with a
minimalist routine if you'reusing good products.
Yeah, love it.
All right, next one glass skin.
So glass skin is the trend ofultra smooth, luminous, poreless
looking skin that gives almost areflective look.
SPEAKER_01 (35:59):
I try to do glass skin every day, and I think
that's why I'm not a minimalist.
Like I have like I know therewas like another trend, it was
like seven toners.
SPEAKER_00 (36:09):
I did see that.
SPEAKER_01 (36:10):
I did.
I have those, I have I stillhave those seven toners and I
still use them because I feellike I do get that glass skin
with it.
Um, but I think it is just youknow, consistency, just like
everything else, but it makes mefeel nice.
So like I I feel like with thatone, if you're the things that
you're doing, like you're kindof gonna see like your results,
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especially like at night if I'mdoing all these toners or
whatever.
And I do like obviously you'regonna be glowy because what to
achieve glass skin, you have touse certain products like
hydrators, and so I think it ismore like you see it right then
and there, so that's what I'mabout.
Because I just like to lookglowy, like off the bat.
So I really strive for glassskin that's like my skin care
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routine.
SPEAKER_02 (36:52):
I've tried it, I just feel like I'm so like oily,
like it makes me look even moreoily.
Like I don't love like the dewylook, like I want like a matte,
like yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (37:01):
There is always that big difference of people who
love like a dewy, glowy, likeyou can see a reflection in your
forehead look, and people whoare like, get all of that off of
me.
Um, yeah, I think that's a bigthing.
I always just I feel like thetrend of glass skin is just I
think it's unrealistic for a lotof people, and I think a lot of
people get upset when they likehave a facial and their skin
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doesn't look like that after,and it's like that's not like
like Damie said, that comes withconsistency of like using
quality skincare every day,getting treatments done, doing
microneedling, doing yourlasers.
Honestly, the most I get glassskin is when I get my disport
and my forehead's like frozen,and it's like I get it from
that.
Like I think it's I think itgives just like an unrealistic.
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I love a good glowy dewy looktoo.
But I think when you see some ofthese videos of people like
after a facial or something,where they're like glass skin,
I'm like, you just look like youhave Vaselina on your face.
Like um, so I think it justgives a little bit of an
unrealistic expectation when itcomes to like treatments
sometimes, but I do I'm likeyou, I try and have like that
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glowy, dewy look, but some ofthe videos you see are fake.
Yeah, it's like they have evenlike a mirror on their face.
SPEAKER_01 (38:14):
I think like glass skin also, like I remember it
becoming trendy, and it was alot of like the Korean skincare,
and I'm like, eh, they couldjust really like be this could
be like genetics, and like theyhave like a moisturizer on their
face, and they're have like somuch stuff on their face, and
like they're doing like thatplump, and I'm like, Yeah, it's
because like obviously she hasskincare on, but now we're just
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putting a whole new trend outthere.
I'm like, you know, she's justdoing her skincare routine.
But I like the idea of glassskin, eye sharper every day.
SPEAKER_00 (38:45):
Yeah, I like a good goal every morning.
SPEAKER_01 (38:48):
Yeah, my goal is like every I wanted look, I
actually took a I'm gonna haveto make a TikTok on it on like
my seven toner routine becauseit I can just see what seven
toners you're using.
I think it does work, but it'sjust because I've been doing it
for like two years now.
So, and also like I think I doget glass skin, like skin pen,
oh yeah, like right after oh,like the day after I'm like,
whoa, my skin is so likereflective.
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Like, I love that.
So I think yeah, it's just likewhether people want to look dewy
or not.
I think that's like the glassskin look.
SPEAKER_00 (39:17):
Yeah, all right.
So we'll combine these twotogether, but at-home
microneedling or at home dermaplating in general, just kind of
at-home treatments, professionaltreatments being done by people
at home.
SPEAKER_01 (39:32):
Never ever.
SPEAKER_02 (39:33):
Yeah, I hate that.
Do you remember the trend wherepeople would spray that foam on
their face and then take likethe razor?
Oh my gosh.
Yes, it was like baby powderspray.
Yes, uh-huh.
And then everyone's like, I'mlike cutting myself, nicking
myself.
I have the worst breakouts thenext day.
That's what I think of.
SPEAKER_01 (39:48):
Also, they're using like these facial razors and
they're using them like threetimes.
And like, okay, that's alsoanother reason why you're
breaking out.
It's not hygienic, it's you'renot sanitizing anything.
And it's not, I think dermaplaning, people are just like,
Oh, I'm just shaving my face.
No, it's like a deeperexfoliation.
We're not just getting likethose Vellus hairs off, but
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we're getting any of like thatdead skin, and it's just a
deeper exfoliation.
I think you can't do that withone of those facial razors.
Like, you can't.
Every time I like convince aclient, like, please.
I love like they kind of likeget them with they do a
treatment, like when we just didBotox, because like, oh, I like
I've been doing this at home,like, but I have it banked or
whatever.
I'm like, okay, well, perfect.
This is the perfect time becauseyou're gonna see such a
(40:30):
difference, and they're like,Oh, my skin never looks like
this after when I do it at home.
Like, yeah, because it's not aprofessional and you're not
doing it right.
SPEAKER_02 (40:38):
Yeah, I feel like if you're not a nostician, you
should not have a razor on yourface.
Like, that truly scares me.
I can never imagine going homeand like same thing with
microneeling.
Yeah, Dr.
Penn.
SPEAKER_01 (40:47):
If I did someone say something about Dr.
Pen one more time, I think I waslike, I bought it on Amazon.
SPEAKER_00 (40:52):
Yes, it is.
I yeah, it's on TikTok, it's onAmazon.
SPEAKER_01 (40:56):
It's yeah, I'm like, what is uh I haven't even looked
into it because I don't I don'teven I just know like I will
never use anything like if aclient's telling me Dr.
Pen and it's so hard.
Clients that are like, oh, I'mdoing Dr.
Pen at home, it's so hard toswitch them to do skin pen.
I don't know why, but they'relike, no, this is working for me
and it's so much cheaper.
I'm like, okay, yeah, give it,give it two years, and I'll see
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you back.
SPEAKER_00 (41:18):
Yeah, I agree.
I think even I like I dermoplanemyself at home, but I use like
the blades that we use.
And I'll be honest with you, Iprobably nick myself every time.
It's hard to do yourself, liketo do it correctly.
Um, it's hard.
And yeah, you don't, there's somuch sanitation that goes into
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it before doing a treatment.
Um, like you were talking aboutwith like the dermoplaning at
home, though those like littleeyebrows, they're made for your
eyebrows, first of all, not foryour whole face.
Yeah, they're like littleeyebrow razors, is actually what
they're for.
Um, but if you look at them,they're like jagged, like
they're not smooth.
So when you're taking thatacross your face, it's just
little micro tears, like thewhole entire way.
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We use surgical scalpels, likethey are made to like cut very
precise lines in surgery.
Um, you know, they're very fine,it's very smooth, it's not gonna
tear your skin.
Same with microneedling.
The needles that are on what wehave, like they are serile
needles, they're tested for upto 90 minutes to make sure they
are staying sharp the entiretime.
Um, those needles start to dull,and when they dull, they're
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gonna drag on your skin andcreate tears, and you're not
gonna see those right away.
They're little micro injuries tothe skin, but your skin's
eventually gonna start to not beable to like heal itself.
So it's just yeah, there's alot.
SPEAKER_01 (42:34):
I don't ever throw it away.
SPEAKER_00 (42:36):
Yeah, don't do it.
I hate that.
There's professionals for areason.
Yeah, promise you.
SPEAKER_01 (42:40):
Yeah, everyone wants to do something at home, and I'm
I'm DIY do a face mask, yeah.
Face masks are great, but notlike not skin pen or not
microneedling or dermaplaning,or your Botox or your
injectable, stay away fromneedles and sharp things by your
face, or anything on the blackmarket, yeah.
Stay off the black market.
SPEAKER_02 (43:00):
So many clients, even like we're like, oh yeah,
I'll just get like my Botox,like black market.
And then when their friends gettogether and they inject each
other.
I'm like, what?
SPEAKER_01 (43:10):
I'm like, and maybe and even a training
professional, how many timesI've had clients, even too,
they're like, Yeah, I went to mydentist and they did my Botox
and it came out.
I'm like, yeah, maybe just stickto coming here for everything.
SPEAKER_02 (43:22):
I'm like, yeah, I went to get a cavity filled and
I got Botox.
I'm like, oh two for one.
Oh yeah, two for one, I guess.
Okay, like they don't complain,but sure.
SPEAKER_00 (43:31):
All right, so last one, um, face towels.
So this is using single-use ordedicated facial towels to avoid
bacteria transfer.
SPEAKER_01 (43:40):
Love, use them every day.
SPEAKER_02 (43:42):
Yeah, I like them.
I need to be better.
I don't use them every day.
SPEAKER_00 (43:45):
Yeah.
I'm I like them.
Um, I think that if you can findaffordable ones, um, I think
they're great.
I think they again like theystop, they don't harbor
bacteria.
Um, I do I think they'renecessary.
No, I think you can use awashcloth to dry off your face.
(44:06):
Um, either one, just make sureyou're using like a new
washcloth every single night.
Um, I use like uh liquid likesanitizer when I wash like all
my towels and stuff.
So it sanitizes them.
So if you have washcloths athome, do I think face towels are
a necessity?
Absolutely not.
I think you can be just fine.
Now, yeah, if you're using likea washcloth and you wad it up
(44:28):
damp and you leave it sit in acorner and you reuse that same
one every single day.
Like, yeah, please don't dothat.
That's gonna harbor bacteria.
Um, but if you're using a cleantowel, I think it's fine.
Do I love face towels?
Do I use them?
Yes, I do.
I love them.
I those you can buy on Amazon,those are fine.
Um you can get those fromAmazon.
I found a dupe for a there is aa brand out there that's a name
(44:53):
brand.
Um, and I was like, you knowwhat, let me try these ones on
Amazon.
And they were like, you gotdouble the amount and half the
price still.
And I like them.
I like them a lot.
They're great.
So you can find affordable ones.
Um, so if it's something thatyou like, I think it's great.
Um, I don't think they're anecessity.
I think you can do just fineusing a clean washcloth or towel
(45:14):
every day.
Um, but they're great.
I think they're fine.
All right.
So final thoughts on TikToktrends for skincare.
SPEAKER_02 (45:24):
Do your research.
SPEAKER_01 (45:25):
Yeah.
Research.
No black market.
No black market, no no tick tockshop.
SPEAKER_02 (45:30):
No at-home treatments.
SPEAKER_01 (45:32):
It's fun to watch, but yeah, I think if you're
getting your skincare off TikTokshop, that's scary.
Beef tallow.
I have I I don't even know whomakes that.
Like, I'm scared.
SPEAKER_00 (45:45):
Some guy in his backyard smoking a breast.
SPEAKER_01 (45:48):
He's making bank right now.
I could do it at home.
No, no, you can't.
No, you can't.
SPEAKER_00 (45:55):
All right, guys.
Well, thank you so much.
That one was fun.
Yeah.
Liked it.
If you see, if you guys, if wemissed any trends out there and
you guys think of any, put themin the little comments and let
us know.
We'll do a part two.
SPEAKER_01 (46:06):
Yeah, and that's like a moment just talking about
trends.
Wait, and this one, and thisone, and this one.
Like, it's scary.
A new trend comes out everyweek.
SPEAKER_00 (46:11):
Yeah, always a new trend.
So leave some comments in there,some trends you want us to talk
about that we'll uh we'll touchon.
So do your research.
Don't follow everything that'sout there.
There are professionals for areason.
Go see them, go talk to them.
They'll give you differentalternatives.
So today's conversation showedus just how the same trends can
look totally different dependingon whether you're inside the
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treatment room or scrolling,just like everyone, everyone
else.
Curiosity is great, but trendsaren't inherently good or bad.
What matters is understandingyour skin and what works best
for you.
So enjoy scrolling on TikTok.
Watch us on TikTok.
You can find us on TikTok, onInstagram, YouTube, um, all of
our social media channels.
You can visit us, visit us atKatorMedspall.com.
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your friends.
And again, leave us somecomments.
We want to interact with youguys.
So if you find any more trends,let us know.
Until next time.
Thanks.
Hello and welcome to Kutora Conversations.
Today we're diving into some ofthe biggest beauty and skincare
trends blowing up on socialmedia.
What makes this conversationinteresting is that we're
looking at these trends from alldifferent perspectives.
I'm your host, Lindsay, leadaesthetician at Couture Med Spa.
Today we have Damie, who's oneof Kutor's aestheticians,
bringing the professional skinhair skin health treatment-based
(00:37):
view.
And we have Claudia, ourpractice administrator, bringing
the consumer perspective.
What looks appealing, what'sconfusing, and what people are
trying in real life.
This isn't about calling trendsright or wrong.
It's just fun, realconversations about what we're
seeing online and how weactually really feel about them.
Damie, Claudia, welcome.
(00:58):
So, I mean, you both loveTikTok.
Yes.
Yeah.
All kinds of trends that we seeon there.
Do you see a lot of um skincaretrends on your TikTok management
social media things?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:09):
I'm like, I need to try this.
I need to go straight on Amazon.
Yeah, anything.
She will buy anything.
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_00 (01:17):
Do you buy from TikTok shop or do you buy it?
SPEAKER_01 (01:19):
I do, but I'm like, it takes too long.
So I need I go on Amazon.
I'm like, I'll have it tomorrow.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (01:26):
I do the same thing.
I'm always like, let's see if Ican find the same thing on I get
it.
So we all get caught up in theuh the social media trends.
Do you have a lot of clients whocome in that say, I saw this on
TikTok or I saw this on socialmedia?
Every day.
SPEAKER_02 (01:40):
And they're like, some things are like foolery.
No, we're not doing that.
SPEAKER_00 (01:46):
What's the wildest thing you've heard?
Can you think of something?
SPEAKER_01 (01:49):
I think definitely.
I think the wildest thing I'veheard, maybe okay, definitely
like macroniloing on the face iscrazy.
Like the depth that they go to.
SPEAKER_02 (02:00):
Yeah, the at-home kiss.
SPEAKER_01 (02:01):
Yeah, the at-home stuff.
Like then they bring it up tolike their scalp to help with
hair growth.
I'm like, guys, no, like that'sactually and like they reuse it.
It's like not sanitary.
I think that's like the craziestone because like deep in their
skin.
SPEAKER_02 (02:17):
Yeah, definitely any like laser treatments, anything
that's laser or like needles athome.
Like, no, I don't trust that.
And they have like no idea whatthey're doing.
unknown (02:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (02:26):
Like, oh, I don't know.
I just do it.
I saw it on TikTok.
Yeah.
I saw it.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (02:31):
I see on TikTok all the time.
I didn't list this on one of ourtrends that we were talking
about, but I've seen people talkabout like doing like
neurotoxins and like sculpture.
It's not real.
SPEAKER_01 (02:41):
They buy it off the black market.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:43):
And like do it themselves.
I'm like, no, we do have piesthat do that.
SPEAKER_01 (02:46):
I'm like, no, it's scary.
SPEAKER_00 (02:49):
Please go to a professional for this.
SPEAKER_01 (02:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:52):
All right.
So one of the first ones we'regonna be talking about is
slugging.
So for anyone who doesn't know,slugging is applying a thick
occlusive layer, usuallysomething like Vaseline or an
occlusive balm, over yourskincare at night to help seal
in moisture and prevent waterloss.
So what are your thoughts onslugging?
SPEAKER_01 (03:10):
Okay.
I I guess you can say I do avariation of it because I like
to use more of like a barriercream at night.
Um, but I can't get behindVaseline like on the face.
Like I can't like the oil, andit's like gonna trap in like any
bacteria, and I just wake upcongested.
I don't know how they're like,oh my skin looks great because
(03:32):
my skin looks disgusting.
SPEAKER_02 (03:35):
I agree.
I could never do that.
I would break out so bad.
It's just oil, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (03:39):
Like, yeah, it's definitely not, I wouldn't say
the best for like acne proneskin.
Um, I I'm kind of like used tolike a variation of slugging,
like using a really like so likeour TNS or my treatment cream,
something that has a lot of likerich emollients in it that are
gonna like lock in moisture.
Um, I will say there are somepeople that I think doing like a
(04:02):
really, especially if they havea really compromised barrier,
um, doing as long as you have tocleanse your skin really, really
well first, um, and put on somesort of hydrating serum, putting
a very, very thin layer of likea Vaseline or an aquifer or
something, if their skin feelsreally like chapped.
(04:23):
Like um, I had a client who shewas up north somewhere, like in
um like Colorado or somewhere.
So, like really, really cold,and her skin was almost like
windburned, like chapped,something like that.
Right, it's great for it's justgonna lock that in.
It's not gonna let any of thatmoisture escape, but you have to
wash it off in the morning.
You have to make sure you'regetting it really clean.
Um, but yeah, I think just likein normal daily, like night or
(04:46):
nighttime, I guess, likeskincare, I probably would stick
for more of like a richermoisturizer.
Um also you don't ever want todo slugging with like Vaseline
or something with like activeingredients.
Right.
I think that's the hard part.
SPEAKER_01 (05:00):
Yeah, like I have clients are like, oh yeah, just
do my tretinoin and then likeaquafore on top.
I'm like, no, please don't everdo that again.
SPEAKER_00 (05:07):
And then they'll tell you their skin's very
sensitive.
Super sensitive.
SPEAKER_01 (05:10):
Yeah, I'm like, yeah, this is why.
They're like, oh, because I'mpeeling so much.
I'm like, it doesn't, yeah, no,it's like you still can't do it.
Is it bad to use both together?
SPEAKER_00 (05:17):
Yeah, you don't want to, so like with when you're
using like a trut or something,it is very like active on the
skin.
And then if you're sealing thatin there, it's gonna just make
it penetrate like even deeper,which for some things, yeah,
you're like, oh, I want it topenetrate deep.
Trut works on the surface of theskin, yeah.
So it can just make it way moreactive, and they're gonna get
more irritation, more like thatlike sensitive type feel.
(05:41):
Um, so yeah, you don't everusing like TNS Aramite treatment
cream or something that's like agood balmy something is great
for hydration, but you don'twant to like seal it in like
slugging with it.
You want to do um more just verylike hydrating, like a
hyaluronic type ingredient ifyou're gonna do any type of
slugging.
Um, but again, yeah, make sureyou really wash your face off.
(06:04):
Double cleanse, yeah, that way.
And also, I feel like I justthought of this, like I feel
like they get on your pillow.
SPEAKER_02 (06:09):
Oh, like in your hair and stuff.
Yeah, it's not doing very much,it's just annoying, I feel like.
SPEAKER_00 (06:14):
Yeah, okay.
So slugging, that's yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (06:17):
Like we got to a good start.
SPEAKER_00 (06:20):
Um, I feel like a lot of people, so the next one
we're gonna talk about, I feellike a lot of people do slugging
with this.
So skin cycling.
So skin cycling is rotating youractive ingredients on specific
nights.
So, for example, an exfoliationnight, a retinol night, a
recovery night, um, to minimizeirritation and maximize results.
I feel like some people add likea night of slugging into like
(06:42):
their skin cycling.
Um, yeah, what are your thoughtson skin cycling?
SPEAKER_01 (06:47):
So, first when like skin cycling became a thing, I
would think I was just becominglike an esthetician.
And I didn't understand it.
Like I was, I had I had to likesearch it up so many times.
Like, what even is skin cycling?
And then once I became anesthetician and started doing
treatments and really starteddoing skincare, especially um
more medical grade skincare, Idon't feel like there needs to
(07:10):
be different days where you'redoing different stuff.
I feel like if you havesomething good that's working,
you have your routine, like yourcorrective, your hydrator, all
that stuff.
I don't need to be switchingthrough like a niacinamide or uh
um acyl ac salicylic acid.
I think working with what youknow and having like your steps
or like a hydrator, corrective,whatever, and then like your
(07:32):
moisturizer works the best forme and my clients.
So I just I really still don'tunderstand skin cycling, to be
honest.
I'm like, why am I gonna switchall these, like have 10
different products and do itonce or twice a day?
I feel like it's kind of like inthe gym, like you work out one
thing once a week.
I don't really feel like you'regetting much help from it.
So I don't know.
That's my opinion on skincycling.
SPEAKER_02 (07:51):
Yeah, I didn't really understand it either.
And I get very overwhelmedeasily.
So when I hear like you needlike all these different
products for all these differentnights, I'm like, oh no, oh no,
baby.
SPEAKER_00 (08:00):
Like just so you're talking about like a list of
like what day.
SPEAKER_02 (08:04):
That at that point I'll get so overwhelmed, like,
I'm not doing anything.
Like, I'm someone like theminute I get overwhelmed, like
I'm done with everything.
Like, so when I saw that, I waslike, oh, this is a bit much for
me.
Like, I'm not doing this.
SPEAKER_00 (08:15):
It's like that is not my routine.
SPEAKER_02 (08:17):
Yeah, no, yeah, I'd be stressed.
SPEAKER_00 (08:19):
Yeah, I would I would agree with you, Damien.
I think I think skin cycling gotits start with.
I in my mind, I have no idea.
I think it kind of got its startwith like tret.
SPEAKER_01 (08:31):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (08:31):
Where yeah, I'll tell my clients, and you're
probably the same way, like ifyou're new to it, if you're just
starting it out, like you onlywant to use it like two nights a
week, um, you know, to get yourskin used to it, to tolerate it.
Yeah, when we talk to them aboutlike exfoliance, you don't want
to exfoli, you don't need toexfoliate every single day.
Maybe use an exfoliant a coupleof times a week.
I think that's just generalskincare.
(08:52):
And I think skin cycling kind ofjust like took that to the next,
like, oh well, what if we dothis?
Where it's really just kind of askincare routine.
Um, but I I agree with you.
I think our skin lovesconsistency.
And yeah, like you said, I likedthe analogy of like if you're
going to the gym, like if I domy arms one day and I don't do
it again for another week, likeI'm not gonna see at least the
(09:14):
results I'm looking for asquickly.
Um, I think it and I agree withyou.
I think it's very confusing.
SPEAKER_02 (09:20):
Yeah, and I feel like people that already don't
have a lot of knowledge aboutlike skincare, like that's just
like too much for them.
SPEAKER_01 (09:26):
Like, yeah, I don't even know who came up with the
term skin.
I think it's everything we justdo already, and then they kind
of have to like make it like atrend.
Like, oh, I'm gonna skin cycle,and like, yeah, you're already
using a cleanser, a explanatedcleanser, two to three times a
week.
That's not that's nothingdifferent.
SPEAKER_00 (09:42):
Honestly, I think that's what most trends are.
It's things that we do all thetime, and people are just like,
I need a new trend to talkabout.
Yeah, like even slugging, likethat's a very normal thing,
especially when you're likewound healing, you put like an
occlusive layer over top, likeit's a normal thing.
Someone just came up with a funname for it, and now it's a
trend.
SPEAKER_01 (10:00):
I I when I saw that trend, I was like, what is going
on?
And it was a lot too, like a lotof younger girls doing like that
slugging, like, oh, I'm gonnaput a whole like aquifer like
layer on my skin, or even um,there was this one that was uh
like getting using somemoisturizer and like putting a
(10:20):
layer of it on your nose, andit's gonna take off like
sebaceous filaments.
I'm like, Oh, I've seen thosevideos.
SPEAKER_00 (10:25):
Yeah, I've seen those videos.
I'm like, I want to buy one totry it just to see what it's
like.
Do I think it's taking on yoursebaceous filaments?
Exactly.
Get a good oil cleanser.
SPEAKER_01 (10:35):
So I'm like, no, it's not, it doesn't work.
SPEAKER_00 (10:36):
Yeah, I see those videos all the time though.
They just like massage itaround.
I'm like, what?
I don't know what what are theydoing?
What is that?
I know.
All right, so hypochlorous acid.
Love.
Yeah.
So hypochlorous acid is a gentleanti-inflammatory ingredient
that helps calm redness andsupport skin barrier.
It's also naturally produced bythe body's immune system.
(11:00):
So it has gained a lot ofpopularity.
Um, there we carry ahypochlorous acid spray at
Couture.
There's a lot um that are outthere, it is very popular.
Um, what are your thoughts onhypochlorous acid?
SPEAKER_01 (11:13):
I love it, and I remember when it became viral.
I remember the esthetician, theDallas, I think, esthetician,
she was using and especiallyspecifically the hygienity one.
And everyone's like, what isthis?
What is this?
What is this?
And then when we brought it on,it was perfect because you could
also use it post-treatment forthat redness, that healing.
(11:36):
So when it just kind of reallycame full circle, like in the
treatment room, and I loved italready because I knew I
actually knew what it was, and Iknew that it worked.
I was like, finally, a trendthat is like I could get behind
when she and I remember herusing like, what is that spray
that she's using?
And she would talk about howit's like um gonna kill all the
bacteria in your skin, help withredness, and just kind of did
(11:57):
everything.
She used like hand sanitizer foryour face, like those analogies,
and I was like hooked.
I'm like, oh, I need this.
And then I literally think twoweeks later we brought it in
like Couture, and I was like,Oh, perfect, like yeah, have a
discount on it now.
SPEAKER_02 (12:10):
Yeah, literally.
Damien got me one for mybirthday, like before we had it
at Couture, and I loved it.
So then once we brought it on atCouture, now I use it all the
time too.
SPEAKER_00 (12:20):
Yeah, but I mean, I love a good face mist in
general.
So the fact that it's just aspray, I'm like, And it feels so
nice, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (12:28):
And I feel like I don't know if everyone knows
this, but I feel like you canput it over like makeup and
stuff too.
Like it's fine.
Yeah, you can put it in like mymakeup come off or anything.
SPEAKER_01 (12:35):
Yeah, yeah.
I always tell clients like ifyou're going to the gym, they're
like, I feel always so like Ibreak out from the gym and like
I don't have time to like do myskincare routine before I go to
work.
I'm like, here, like put this inyour car, put it in your work
bag.
You could just miss itthroughout your miss it
throughout the day, and likeit's gonna give you a whole
refresh, reset.
SPEAKER_00 (12:53):
Yeah, it has so many uses.
Like you said, we use itpost-procedure, which is
amazing.
But like you're talking aboutgoing to the gym.
I tell all my all my gym people,I'm like, you need this, put
this in your bag, especiallytoo, like when you're especially
like if you get like anybreakouts like on your back or
like the chest area where wesweat.
I know a lot of people strugglewith that.
But even after you're done atthe gym, most people aren't
gonna bring their whole likeface wash and everything to the
(13:14):
gym.
Just spray it with that realquick.
Spray it down, get on thebacteria off, do your skincare
when you get home.
Um, but it's so versatile.
You can use it on cuts, you canuse it on scrapes, you can use
it on bug bites, you can use iton wounds, like anything.
I have clients that use it ontheir phone.
She's like, My dog had like ascratch, like a like put some
hydrantity.
(13:35):
Yeah, put some hypochlorous acidon it.
SPEAKER_01 (13:37):
I use it for everything.
I I like sometimes even likespray my phone because I know
it's gonna like disinfect it.
Yeah, so I love that.
It was like the first trend.
I'm actually like, okay, nowwe're kind of talking about, and
it wasn't even a random person,I think it was someone who was
like knowledgeable, and she kindof made it a thing.
And I think already likehygienity was such a good brand
to bring into because it waslike wound care, wound healing,
(14:00):
and that's a lot of what what wedo is like post-care,
post-treatment.
So that's I've still use it tothis day, and I don't think I'll
ever not use it.
SPEAKER_00 (14:09):
Yeah, I can't go without it.
Yeah, but chloros acid, thatone's a must.
All right, beef tallow.
So, beef tallow is usingrendered animal fat as a
moisturizer, promoted as allnatural.
What are your thoughts doing?
I can see it in the face.
SPEAKER_01 (14:31):
When I so I was so confused because I saw videos of
like people rendering beeftallow, and I'm like, what are
they using this for?
And then people were putting iton their face, and I got scared
because it's literally fat thatyou're putting on your face, and
you're gonna be so congestedafter.
Like, I can't imagine itworking.
(14:52):
Like, I would just I've nevertried it, I don't think I'll
ever try it.
But I was genuinely scared, likethat became a trend because even
watching the video, people likerendering the fat made me never
want to use that.
And at first, I'm like, oh, it'slike bone broth.
Like, I know I even know likebone broth's becoming such a big
thing.
I'm like, oh, it's like feed itto your dog or whatever.
And I'm putting it on theirskin, and it's oil, it's like
(15:15):
literally oil, and I just feellike the bacteria, and like
also, where are you getting thisbeef tallow?
SPEAKER_00 (15:20):
The buttons, the black market from my smoker out.
SPEAKER_01 (15:26):
What are you like making some bacon and then
taking the fat and likerendering it?
Like, there's just no way likeyou could really like sanitize
like this beef tallow.
No way, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (15:36):
No, uh, that terrified me.
I'm too scared to put Vaselineon my face.
I'm not putting beef tallow onmy face.
SPEAKER_00 (15:42):
You're not gonna take it to the next wall.
SPEAKER_02 (15:44):
I just cannot imagine like the amount of acne
I'd wake up to if I did that.
Yeah, I just know that'd be bad.
SPEAKER_00 (15:50):
Yeah.
I had a Davey and I had thisconversation not too long ago,
and I um had a client not toolong ago.
She's so sweet, she always hasreally dry skin.
And I hadn't seen her in a whilefor a facial.
And she came in and she was, youknow, we're talking, she's like,
Oh, she's like, Yeah, I startedusing um beef tallow on my face,
and I was like, Okay, I'm nevergonna be the one that's gonna go
right into me.
Like, you shouldn't use that.
(16:11):
I'm like, okay.
Like, she's like, it my skinjust feels really hydrated.
And I was like, okay.
Um, you know, it's one thingwith beef tallow too, is it's a
completely different pH than ourskin.
So it really can mess with likeyour barrier over long-term use.
Yeah, when you first put it on,I will completely, I've never
tried it, I'm not putting thaton my face, but um, just knowing
like what it is.
It's a it's a large, so it'sgonna be like hydrating in a
(16:34):
sense.
That yeah, you might at firstfeel really hydrated, but
long-term use of it, it's gonnadisrupt that skin barrier.
Um, it's gonna irritate the skinand it is going to congest those
pores.
Um, but anyway, so I was just,you know, letting her know I was
like, okay, just I want you topay attention to your skin.
Like, you know, if you feel likeyou start to notice more
breakouts or you see anychanges, like, you know, and I
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explained to her about the pH ofthe skin and everything.
And um, I was doing herextractions, and she normally
has really like dry skin, so herpores are really tight.
I normally don't have to do alot of extractions because her
skin's really dry, which isnormal.
And I was like doing, I'm like,oh, she that she had a lot more
sebaceous this time.
And I didn't say anything, youknow, I'm just doing my thing.
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And she's like, I feel likeyou're doing a lot more than you
normally do.
And I was like, I am like youhave a lot more congestion in
there, and you could just seelike the oil buildup in the nose
and in the chin, and that's theonly thing that's different that
she has done.
And she was like, Do you thinkit's from that?
And I was like, It's a very bigpossibility, like, you know,
that it's such a big moleculethat is then just like a fatty
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molecule that's sitting on topof the face.
It's not gonna penetrate in yourskin to do anything, it's just
gonna sit there.
Um, and if you're using like,you know, a cleanser and stuff,
especially if you're not using areally good cleanser, it's not
gonna get all of that out ofthere.
Um, and so um Damien kind ofsaid it when she said that, but
I was like, so I was like, doyou know what beef tallow is?
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And she's like, I mean, not likeI know it's you know, from like
a meat or whatever, like it'syou know, she's like, but I
don't really know.
And I was like, so beef tallowis from beef, but if you think
of like bacon, when you'recooking bacon and it's cooking
all up and frying up, and thenyou just see all the fat
liquefied in there, like sittingin there, and then you take your
bacon out, and if you let it sitand it like solidifies, I'm
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like, that's essentially whatbeef tallow is, but it's just
coming from beef, it's all ofthe fat and everything from it
that then gets down in there andthen solidifies.
Like, that's what you're puttingon your face.
Like, would you take the greasefrom bacon and just slop it on
your face?
And she's like, no, that soundsterrible.
I'm like, that's essentiallywhat beef tallow is like that's
the same thing.
It's just from a different, youknow, animal.
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And she's like, okay, I'm gonnastop using that immediately.
So we got her on a differentmoisturizer to help.
Um, but I just I think thatthere's so many, there's so many
other things out there that canhydrate your skin, that can be
good for your skin, besidesputting animal fat on your face.
Um, I know some people who makelike chapsticks out of it.
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Um, or if you have like really,really like dry elbows or
something like that, like itstill wouldn't be my go-to.
We make lotions and moisturizersfor no reason.
Um, but I can see it helpingwith that.
But the skin on our face is sodifferent.
It's a different pH, it's somuch more delicate.
I just I can't imagine puttingbeef fat on my face.
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It's just not a trend I willever get behind.
I'm so sorry if you use it.
Like in my pain, but yeah, oryou know, go get a facial and
have them do a deep cleanse andsee how much is still sitting in
there.
But all I can think about islike my husband husband makes
beef brisket and it's amazing.
And we literally put a trayunderneath of it and it drips
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the fat and we save it and welike cook with it, but like I
would never in my mind be like,let me just lather that on my
face.
SPEAKER_01 (19:59):
No, it's scary.
SPEAKER_00 (20:00):
It's not a trend I'm gonna get behind.
So sorry.
SPEAKER_01 (20:03):
And I like how when they tell you something, you're
you're so good because you'relike, oh, they could see the
immediate horror.
I'm gonna.
I'm like, no, I educateobviously, but I'm they could
like, and I think they kind oflike that honesty.
I'm like, are you kidding me?
I have all my clients that arelike when they bring up a TikTok
drone, I just bought this.
(20:24):
I'm like, you did what?
Like, go return it right now.
I cannot hold it in my I can'tgo get your money back and I'll
show you what's gonna be.
And I'll show you what's better,and you're probably gonna save
money in the long run becauseand time, like going now to put
this back, but um they'reimmediate.
I'm like stunned at the thingsthat they tell me, and and now
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they know they're like, I'mgonna tell you something.
We're like, don't be mad.
Don't be mad.
I'm like, I just saw you twoweeks ago.
Yeah, well, what can what kindof what have you done?
SPEAKER_00 (20:54):
Yeah, what can we done?
TikTok.
That's what they've done in thatamount of time.
They've watched people ticktock, yeah.
I know.
All right, so beef tails now forus all all across the board.
All right, so dupes culture.
So a dupe is finding a cheaperproduct online that claims to
mimic luxury or medical gradeskincare.
SPEAKER_01 (21:16):
This one's hard because there are really great
dupes out there, but I reallyhaven't found a lot of them for
medical grade skincare,honestly, in my opinion.
I remember when it was likeCOVID time and like the ordinary
became a thing, and it was justlike all these acids for like
seven dollars, and people wereputting like this peel it's like
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that red peel.
Yeah, you remember?
And I was like, and this is whenI was again just starting like
esthetician school, and I waslike, I I may not be an
esthetician yet, but I knowthat's not good for you.
SPEAKER_02 (21:45):
Now there's like a recall on it.
SPEAKER_01 (21:47):
Oh is there really?
SPEAKER_02 (21:48):
That's what I I I I saw it on TikTok.
SPEAKER_01 (21:51):
Our news source says TikTok, all my information comes
from there, yeah.
But it's like there's no way,like, and then if you read the
ingredients list, and then it'slike it's actually just nothing.
So I think that kind of startedlike the culture of like dupes.
Um, especially like I came fromluxury like cosmetic sales, and
we were like clinique, essay,lauder, like land come.
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That's what you were buying.
And I can't believe like thoseare even considered dupes now,
but I would still when peopleare like, Oh, yeah, I like use
my like clinique wash, I'm like,okay, it's she's like, Well,
it's like 50 bucks.
I'm like, Yeah, it doesn'tmatter, even the price doesn't
matter.
So I think dupes depending on ifyou're doing something
corrective or not, um it kind ofscare me.
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I have to do a lot of researchand have to really try it, but I
think overall I'm not gonnastick to my medical group.
SPEAKER_02 (22:40):
Yeah, I feel like there's very few dupes that can
like compare.
I feel like you get what you payfor, like you can't get a dupe
and expect it to do the samething as what we have in the
spa.
SPEAKER_00 (22:52):
Yeah, I always tell my clients because I I very
much, like you said, and kind ofyou know, there are some good
dupes out there.
There are some good, there aregood over-the-counter products.
Like, I think if someone reallyis on a budget, I would rather
you be using something that isI'd rather you still have a
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routine um than not at all.
But I think that there goes, Ithink that there plays a big
role in so you brought up theordinary.
And a lot of their products areit's just like a one single
ingredient type thing.
So one, you're asking consumersto know what all of these
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ingredients are, how they worktogether, what they're supposed
to be doing, and how to usethem.
Um, I also think that it's verymuch formulation, like
formulation plays a huge role.
And my analogy that I use to myclients all the time is you
could hand me, so I'm not, Idon't even know a product to
compare it to, but I can handyou one of our products that we
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sell on the spa, and you canhand me a product that is like
an over-the-counter and it haslarge majority like the same
ingredients in them, but theformulation of that matters so
much.
Like our skin is a protectivebarrier, and its whole goal is
to keep stuff out.
So when you're putting theseproducts on your skin, they
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really have to have a deliverysystem and be formulated to get
into the skin to actually make achange.
And I always tell them, I'mlike, it's the same as if I
handed you all the ingredientsto make Coca-Cola.
And then you have like Coca-Colaand you have the real thing, is
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yours gonna taste the exact sameas what Coca-Cola does.
You have all the sameingredients, you don't know how
much is in there, you don't knowwhat they do to the ingredients,
you don't know how long it doeswhatever it has to do for, but
it's the same ingredients.
So it should be the same thing,right?
It's a dupe, it's the exact samething.
Um, same as like if you buy Cokeand then you buy it with some,
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what's like the store brand,like the I don't even know what
they're called.
Like, yeah, like the, you know,like name, like whatever, like
the store brand.
Yeah.
Everyone's like, oh, it doesn'ttaste like coke.
It's not the same.
It's the same thing how it goeswith skincare.
Just because you have the exactsame ingredients in something
doesn't mean it's gonna give youthat same formulation.
And just because a product has acertain ingredient in it, it's
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final formulation.
So all of the products that likewe carry and that we use, their
final formulation is tested andproven to do what it says it's
gonna do.
Where just because a I'll uselike tranxemic acid because it's
popular right now and it's greatfor pigmentation.
Tranexemic acid itself as aningredient has proven like,
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okay, it can help withpigmentation.
But if you give me a productthat says, oh, it has tranxomic
acid in it, they can say, Oh,it's gonna help with
pigmentation.
But when it's in its finalformulation, whatever else is in
it, it might do absolutelynothing for you, where the final
formulation of the products thatwe carry are tested.
So they know everything that'sin it, what it's gonna do, and
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what it's gonna show.
Um, you know, I do think thatthere are some dupes out there
that are, like you said, thatthey're good, they're fine, but
they're not gonna give you thesame result.
Right.
So if you really are, you reallycan't afford, you know,
something that we're offering toyou, yeah, you can find
something that might havesimilar ingredients and you
might see a little bit ofdifference.
(26:26):
You know, it might help you alittle bit, but overall, it's
probably not gonna give you thesame effectiveness as it is.
SPEAKER_01 (26:34):
I think hyaluronics are a good one too.
Because I remember evenhyaluronics becoming so popular,
everything had hyaluronic,whatever.
And then when we brought in,like, I think hygienity is
hyaluronic, and she came andtalked to us about it, she was
like, Yeah, like the differencebetween this hyaluronic and
whatever you buy, um, it's likehow they press, the way that
they press are hyaluronic.
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So it's even now I like useadnology a lot too, like, yeah,
it's hyaluronic, but it's likealso like when you get to that
hyaluronic point, like how muchhyaluronic is in there.
SPEAKER_00 (27:04):
Yeah, because hyaluronic is very when it is um
heated up, right?
It breaks down.
So like those chains break downwhen they get warm.
So like you were talking aboutwith hydrenity, they do not use
heat at all when they when theymake theirs.
Yeah, it's like a cold press.
And so it doesn't lose, itdoesn't break down any of those
chains.
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So you're getting a betterformulation.
So yeah, they're both hyaluronicacid.
It's great.
They both have hyaluronic acidin it, but how they're
formulated and what they usemakes such a big difference.
SPEAKER_02 (27:36):
Yeah, even when we had Obashi, when the clients
would be like, Oh, I bought atTJ Maxx.
SPEAKER_01 (27:40):
Remember how they would always be like, I found
that TJ Maxx?
I'm like, and I thought, and Iremember at this point, like
Obaj had even like two differenttypes of I feel like lines,
lines or yeah, because they haveum like Susan Obaji as well,
that's like they're moresensitive.
SPEAKER_00 (27:54):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (27:55):
And then like they had I know like they had medical
grade syndrome.
I'm like, okay, and like alsothen it's like how long is it
sitting on the shelves?
Yeah, too, like that's scary.
I just think there's so many.
I don't know.
I feel like when you come andlike you get a certain skin
care, or like even you'respending a little bit more
money.
I feel like you're spending alittle bit more money for a
reason.
I think it also has to do withresearch and like what works for
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you.
Um, I think Claudia's a good onebecause she's Neutrogena.
I used to love it when it wasn'tworking for her.
It really showed.
Even like I tried, so for abrief moment, I tried the
ordinary, and I sorry, I becauseI know you bought it too through
my recommendation.
What?
But I saw someone like they usetheir brown lash serum.
SPEAKER_00 (28:35):
I didn't even know they had a brown lash serum.
It doesn't work.
SPEAKER_01 (28:38):
Okay, yeah, I didn't think it worked either.
Yeah, it's like nine dollars,like why not?
SPEAKER_02 (28:43):
Yeah, she wasn't.
SPEAKER_01 (28:43):
Worth a try.
SPEAKER_02 (28:44):
I heard it works so good.
SPEAKER_01 (28:45):
Yeah, I've used like my neural one again for like a
week now, and I've seen a biggerdifference than I have in like
the ordinary one.
So I think like there's justsome things like you have to
spend the money on, especiallylike corrective stuff.
I get it, maybe we're gonna likesave money on like a little bit
of a like a cleanser or amoisturizer, but if you're
wanting to fine lines andwrinkles, even texture, like
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you're gonna have to just spenda little bit more money because
you know it's the type of acidsor the ingredients that are
going into the product.
Like TNS isn't you know TNS fora reason.
Like, there's a reason why, liketheir growth factors, like what
they were like the first yeah,they were the first, yeah, that
started with growth factors.
So, like, there's a reason whynow that they're like the number
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one like corrective serum,anti-aging serum out there.
SPEAKER_00 (29:32):
Yeah, and like you're talking about like when
finding them at like Marshall'sand stuff like that, because
even if they don't technicallyhave an expiration date on them,
um, I think it's typically likea two year shelf life that most
products will have.
They've probably sat on a shelfsomewhere for over two years and
didn't sell.
SPEAKER_02 (29:51):
Two years is a long time.
SPEAKER_00 (29:52):
I that's it is, but they probably sat on a shelf for
two years somewhere and didn'tsell.
So then they bring them.
So the
SPEAKER_02 (30:00):
Effectiveness of the product is yeah, because in the
very questionable like, well, Ibought this and it didn't even
work.
So, like, I'm not gonna get thisbecause this isn't gonna work.
Where'd you buy it from?
Yeah, TJ Maxx for eight dollars.
SPEAKER_00 (30:11):
And Amazon is, I always tell people too.
I'm like, Amazon, be carefulwith Amazon because they sell
fakes of I saw someone do areally good comparison.
I'd have to see if I can findit.
Um, I think it was the some uhZio products, and they had the
real one and then the one thatcame from Amazon, and they look
almost identical.
There's like a few little thingsthat you can tell that are
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different.
Oh gosh, I didn't know.
Oh, yeah, you can get fakes fromthey're selling dupes too.
For full price, they'rescamming, yeah, for full price,
and it's so I always I'm like,don't buy your skincare from
Amazon, please.
SPEAKER_01 (30:46):
Please, you could tell.
I think it's like if they have astore, like I think a couple
like if I buy something onAmazon, I make sure it's like
the store, but you can you know,because saying like third party
um seller, I'm like, no, who's aseller?
Yeah, you're getting it fromlike yeah, China.
SPEAKER_00 (31:04):
Literally, yeah, Amazon will get you.
Yeah, all right.
So dupes, we're so so on.
There can be a few good ones,but all right, so minimalist
skincare.
So minimalist skincare is usingfewer products and simpler
routines instead of layingmultiple serums and actives.
SPEAKER_01 (31:24):
I think it depends on who is your client, who's
using these products.
Because I know for myself in themorning I tend to keep it a
little bit more hydrating, um,sun protection.
But at night, that's when I'mlike using all my corrective
stuff or my preventative stuff,more of my actives.
Um, so I really think that oneis just like who is it?
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Are what is their commitmentlevel?
And I know a lot of people thatdon't cleanse their skin in the
morning and they like get awaywith it.
I I can't, I have to cleanse inthe morning because I just use
all my stuff at night.
Um, so I really think that oneis who, but if you are have if
you're someone with acne, finelines, wrinkles, and you're
going more simple approach,you're probably not gonna get
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the results that you want.
SPEAKER_02 (32:13):
Yeah, I well I'm a minimalist, we all know.
Uh but I've gotten better.
SPEAKER_00 (32:19):
There's nothing wrong with that.
SPEAKER_02 (32:20):
I think that's yeah, like starting off slow, like I
went from not even using like amoisturizer to having like four
steps in my skincare, which islike that's a lot for me.
And I'm like, I won't stayconsistent with things if
there's too many steps.
So I've and I I've tried it,I've tried all the steps, and
then I've caught myself like,oh, this is too much.
Like, I'm I quit, like, I'mdone.
So I don't know.
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I like it.
I feel like again, like itdepends on the person.
Like, my mom is the same asSegway.
My mom used to like not reallylike wash her face, but now she
only has like pavise and likeTNS.
Like, that's like all she usesnow.
I'm like, okay, you went fromusing nothing to being like
bougie, like this is allliterally all she has.
Pivis and TNS.
Yeah, that's all she she's onset with.
Just those.
Yeah, like that's yeah, like sheloves it.
Like, she and like she's noticeda big difference.
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Like, same thing with her.
Like, it I feel like you justhave to start out slow and then
see where it takes you.
SPEAKER_00 (33:08):
Yeah, I agree.
I think that I'm with you,Damien.
I think it really just dependson the person.
I think it's great that there'sa lot of skincare companies out
there now that are focusing onlike a minimalist routine and
kind of like an all-in-oneproduct.
So, like you mentioned, Pave's.
Um, we've started carrying thatone recently, and it literally
has four products in its wholeentire line right now: a
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cleanser, a daytime, anighttime, and an eye cream.
Um, and honestly, I love theireye cream.
But if you wanted to omit theeye cream and only have three
products, you can put theproducts around your eye.
Um, I think it's great and it'svery effective and it gives
really good results.
Um, but I also there's nightstoo, like you said, I love like
my skincare is like my me timesometimes, and it's like my
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happy, like, so I like sit downat my little desk and I have all
my little products, and I just,you know, it's my I wash
people's faces all day.
Like I want to take care of myface.
So there's definitely nightsthat I sit down and yeah, I want
to do my six, 10-step skincareroutine, and I layer it all on
and I love it.
Um, but I think there's a hugeneed for a minimalist routine.
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I think, like you said, Claudia,being overwhelming.
Um, I don't want to overwhelmsomeone.
I want someone who's gonna beconsistent with their routine.
And I'd rather you use three,four products that you can be
consistent with instead ofgiving you multiple different
products that you're just notgonna use and then you're gonna
not see results.
Um, but again, like what Damiesaid, I think it really just
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depends on your client.
And you have the people thatthey love all the different
products and the differentthings, and it's kind of their
time.
Um, but I think there is a hugeneed for a minimalist skincare
routine, but a good qualityminimalist routine.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (34:52):
I guess that ties into dupes too, because you
could have someone like gettinglike six dupes, but then you
have Pavise where it's you'rekind of doing all in once.
You're maybe you think you'respending a little bit more
money, but then you know you'regonna be committed to it.
It's one cream.
Like my mom just puts them onher bedside table and she just
says it like before she goes tobed.
A lot of it, yeah.
Because she knows, like, okay,well, I just two things I need
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to do.
So I think that also ties intothat too, because at least
you're using one product, youknow you're gonna be commitment
committed.
So yeah, and may you may thinkit's a little bit more extra
money, but you know it'sworking, and you're not having a
seven lineup of like azalic acidand isinamide.
SPEAKER_02 (35:28):
And so even like my mom before would use like she
had stuff like the ordinary andclean and stuff, and I was like,
throw this out, like we gottaget rid of this.
But now that like when she'susing like she's using less
products now, but I feel likeshe's getting like better
results, right?
SPEAKER_00 (35:41):
That's yeah, you can get amazing results with a
minimalist routine if you'reusing good products.
Yeah, love it.
All right, next one glass skin.
So glass skin is the trend ofultra smooth, luminous, poreless
looking skin that gives almost areflective look.
SPEAKER_01 (35:59):
I try to do glass skin every day, and I think
that's why I'm not a minimalist.
Like I have like I know therewas like another trend, it was
like seven toners.
SPEAKER_00 (36:09):
I did see that.
SPEAKER_01 (36:10):
I did.
I have those, I have I stillhave those seven toners and I
still use them because I feellike I do get that glass skin
with it.
Um, but I think it is just youknow, consistency, just like
everything else, but it makes mefeel nice.
So like I I feel like with thatone, if you're the things that
you're doing, like you're kindof gonna see like your results,
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especially like at night if I'mdoing all these toners or
whatever.
And I do like obviously you'regonna be glowy because what to
achieve glass skin, you have touse certain products like
hydrators, and so I think it ismore like you see it right then
and there, so that's what I'mabout.
Because I just like to lookglowy, like off the bat.
So I really strive for glassskin that's like my skin care
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routine.
SPEAKER_02 (36:52):
I've tried it, I just feel like I'm so like oily,
like it makes me look even moreoily.
Like I don't love like the dewylook, like I want like a matte,
like yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (37:01):
There is always that big difference of people who
love like a dewy, glowy, likeyou can see a reflection in your
forehead look, and people whoare like, get all of that off of
me.
Um, yeah, I think that's a bigthing.
I always just I feel like thetrend of glass skin is just I
think it's unrealistic for a lotof people, and I think a lot of
people get upset when they likehave a facial and their skin
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doesn't look like that after,and it's like that's not like
like Damie said, that comes withconsistency of like using
quality skincare every day,getting treatments done, doing
microneedling, doing yourlasers.
Honestly, the most I get glassskin is when I get my disport
and my forehead's like frozen,and it's like I get it from
that.
Like I think it's I think itgives just like an unrealistic.
(37:46):
I love a good glowy dewy looktoo.
But I think when you see some ofthese videos of people like
after a facial or something,where they're like glass skin,
I'm like, you just look like youhave Vaselina on your face.
Like um, so I think it justgives a little bit of an
unrealistic expectation when itcomes to like treatments
sometimes, but I do I'm likeyou, I try and have like that
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glowy, dewy look, but some ofthe videos you see are fake.
Yeah, it's like they have evenlike a mirror on their face.
SPEAKER_01 (38:14):
I think like glass skin also, like I remember it
becoming trendy, and it was alot of like the Korean skincare,
and I'm like, eh, they couldjust really like be this could
be like genetics, and like theyhave like a moisturizer on their
face, and they're have like somuch stuff on their face, and
like they're doing like thatplump, and I'm like, Yeah, it's
because like obviously she hasskincare on, but now we're just
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putting a whole new trend outthere.
I'm like, you know, she's justdoing her skincare routine.
But I like the idea of glassskin, eye sharper every day.
SPEAKER_00 (38:45):
Yeah, I like a good goal every morning.
SPEAKER_01 (38:48):
Yeah, my goal is like every I wanted look, I
actually took a I'm gonna haveto make a TikTok on it on like
my seven toner routine becauseit I can just see what seven
toners you're using.
I think it does work, but it'sjust because I've been doing it
for like two years now.
So, and also like I think I doget glass skin, like skin pen,
oh yeah, like right after oh,like the day after I'm like,
whoa, my skin is so likereflective.
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Like, I love that.
So I think yeah, it's just likewhether people want to look dewy
or not.
I think that's like the glassskin look.
SPEAKER_00 (39:17):
Yeah, all right.
So we'll combine these twotogether, but at-home
microneedling or at home dermaplating in general, just kind of
at-home treatments, professionaltreatments being done by people
at home.
SPEAKER_01 (39:32):
Never ever.
SPEAKER_02 (39:33):
Yeah, I hate that.
Do you remember the trend wherepeople would spray that foam on
their face and then take likethe razor?
Oh my gosh.
Yes, it was like baby powderspray.
Yes, uh-huh.
And then everyone's like, I'mlike cutting myself, nicking
myself.
I have the worst breakouts thenext day.
That's what I think of.
SPEAKER_01 (39:48):
Also, they're using like these facial razors and
they're using them like threetimes.
And like, okay, that's alsoanother reason why you're
breaking out.
It's not hygienic, it's you'renot sanitizing anything.
And it's not, I think dermaplaning, people are just like,
Oh, I'm just shaving my face.
No, it's like a deeperexfoliation.
We're not just getting likethose Vellus hairs off, but
(40:10):
we're getting any of like thatdead skin, and it's just a
deeper exfoliation.
I think you can't do that withone of those facial razors.
Like, you can't.
Every time I like convince aclient, like, please.
I love like they kind of likeget them with they do a
treatment, like when we just didBotox, because like, oh, I like
I've been doing this at home,like, but I have it banked or
whatever.
I'm like, okay, well, perfect.
This is the perfect time becauseyou're gonna see such a
(40:30):
difference, and they're like,Oh, my skin never looks like
this after when I do it at home.
Like, yeah, because it's not aprofessional and you're not
doing it right.
SPEAKER_02 (40:38):
Yeah, I feel like if you're not a nostician, you
should not have a razor on yourface.
Like, that truly scares me.
I can never imagine going homeand like same thing with
microneeling.
Yeah, Dr.
Penn.
SPEAKER_01 (40:47):
If I did someone say something about Dr.
Pen one more time, I think I waslike, I bought it on Amazon.
SPEAKER_00 (40:52):
Yes, it is.
I yeah, it's on TikTok, it's onAmazon.
SPEAKER_01 (40:56):
It's yeah, I'm like, what is uh I haven't even looked
into it because I don't I don'teven I just know like I will
never use anything like if aclient's telling me Dr.
Pen and it's so hard.
Clients that are like, oh, I'mdoing Dr.
Pen at home, it's so hard toswitch them to do skin pen.
I don't know why, but they'relike, no, this is working for me
and it's so much cheaper.
I'm like, okay, yeah, give it,give it two years, and I'll see
(41:16):
you back.
SPEAKER_00 (41:18):
Yeah, I agree.
I think even I like I dermoplanemyself at home, but I use like
the blades that we use.
And I'll be honest with you, Iprobably nick myself every time.
It's hard to do yourself, liketo do it correctly.
Um, it's hard.
And yeah, you don't, there's somuch sanitation that goes into
(41:39):
it before doing a treatment.
Um, like you were talking aboutwith like the dermoplaning at
home, though those like littleeyebrows, they're made for your
eyebrows, first of all, not foryour whole face.
Yeah, they're like littleeyebrow razors, is actually what
they're for.
Um, but if you look at them,they're like jagged, like
they're not smooth.
So when you're taking thatacross your face, it's just
little micro tears, like thewhole entire way.
(42:01):
We use surgical scalpels, likethey are made to like cut very
precise lines in surgery.
Um, you know, they're very fine,it's very smooth, it's not gonna
tear your skin.
Same with microneedling.
The needles that are on what wehave, like they are serile
needles, they're tested for upto 90 minutes to make sure they
are staying sharp the entiretime.
Um, those needles start to dull,and when they dull, they're
(42:23):
gonna drag on your skin andcreate tears, and you're not
gonna see those right away.
They're little micro injuries tothe skin, but your skin's
eventually gonna start to not beable to like heal itself.
So it's just yeah, there's alot.
SPEAKER_01 (42:34):
I don't ever throw it away.
SPEAKER_00 (42:36):
Yeah, don't do it.
I hate that.
There's professionals for areason.
Yeah, promise you.
SPEAKER_01 (42:40):
Yeah, everyone wants to do something at home, and I'm
I'm DIY do a face mask, yeah.
Face masks are great, but notlike not skin pen or not
microneedling or dermaplaning,or your Botox or your
injectable, stay away fromneedles and sharp things by your
face, or anything on the blackmarket, yeah.
Stay off the black market.
SPEAKER_02 (43:00):
So many clients, even like we're like, oh yeah,
I'll just get like my Botox,like black market.
And then when their friends gettogether and they inject each
other.
I'm like, what?
SPEAKER_01 (43:10):
I'm like, and maybe and even a training
professional, how many timesI've had clients, even too,
they're like, Yeah, I went to mydentist and they did my Botox
and it came out.
I'm like, yeah, maybe just stickto coming here for everything.
SPEAKER_02 (43:22):
I'm like, yeah, I went to get a cavity filled and
I got Botox.
I'm like, oh two for one.
Oh yeah, two for one, I guess.
Okay, like they don't complain,but sure.
SPEAKER_00 (43:31):
All right, so last one, um, face towels.
So this is using single-use ordedicated facial towels to avoid
bacteria transfer.
SPEAKER_01 (43:40):
Love, use them every day.
SPEAKER_02 (43:42):
Yeah, I like them.
I need to be better.
I don't use them every day.
SPEAKER_00 (43:45):
Yeah.
I'm I like them.
Um, I think that if you can findaffordable ones, um, I think
they're great.
I think they again like theystop, they don't harbor
bacteria.
Um, I do I think they'renecessary.
No, I think you can use awashcloth to dry off your face.
(44:06):
Um, either one, just make sureyou're using like a new
washcloth every single night.
Um, I use like uh liquid likesanitizer when I wash like all
my towels and stuff.
So it sanitizes them.
So if you have washcloths athome, do I think face towels are
a necessity?
Absolutely not.
I think you can be just fine.
Now, yeah, if you're using likea washcloth and you wad it up
(44:28):
damp and you leave it sit in acorner and you reuse that same
one every single day.
Like, yeah, please don't dothat.
That's gonna harbor bacteria.
Um, but if you're using a cleantowel, I think it's fine.
Do I love face towels?
Do I use them?
Yes, I do.
I love them.
I those you can buy on Amazon,those are fine.
Um you can get those fromAmazon.
I found a dupe for a there is aa brand out there that's a name
(44:53):
brand.
Um, and I was like, you knowwhat, let me try these ones on
Amazon.
And they were like, you gotdouble the amount and half the
price still.
And I like them.
I like them a lot.
They're great.
So you can find affordable ones.
Um, so if it's something thatyou like, I think it's great.
Um, I don't think they're anecessity.
I think you can do just fineusing a clean washcloth or towel
(45:14):
every day.
Um, but they're great.
I think they're fine.
All right.
So final thoughts on TikToktrends for skincare.
SPEAKER_02 (45:24):
Do your research.
SPEAKER_01 (45:25):
Yeah.
Research.
No black market.
No black market, no no tick tockshop.
SPEAKER_02 (45:30):
No at-home treatments.
SPEAKER_01 (45:32):
It's fun to watch, but yeah, I think if you're
getting your skincare off TikTokshop, that's scary.
Beef tallow.
I have I I don't even know whomakes that.
Like, I'm scared.
SPEAKER_00 (45:45):
Some guy in his backyard smoking a breast.
SPEAKER_01 (45:48):
He's making bank right now.
I could do it at home.
No, no, you can't.
No, you can't.
SPEAKER_00 (45:55):
All right, guys.
Well, thank you so much.
That one was fun.
Yeah.
Liked it.
If you see, if you guys, if wemissed any trends out there and
you guys think of any, put themin the little comments and let
us know.
We'll do a part two.
SPEAKER_01 (46:06):
Yeah, and that's like a moment just talking about
trends.
Wait, and this one, and thisone, and this one.
Like, it's scary.
A new trend comes out everyweek.
SPEAKER_00 (46:11):
Yeah, always a new trend.
So leave some comments in there,some trends you want us to talk
about that we'll uh we'll touchon.
So do your research.
Don't follow everything that'sout there.
There are professionals for areason.
Go see them, go talk to them.
They'll give you differentalternatives.
So today's conversation showedus just how the same trends can
look totally different dependingon whether you're inside the
(46:33):
treatment room or scrolling,just like everyone, everyone
else.
Curiosity is great, but trendsaren't inherently good or bad.
What matters is understandingyour skin and what works best
for you.
So enjoy scrolling on TikTok.
Watch us on TikTok.
You can find us on TikTok, onInstagram, YouTube, um, all of
our social media channels.
You can visit us, visit us atKatorMedspall.com.
(46:55):
Um, please like and subscribeand share these episodes with
your friends.
And again, leave us somecomments.
We want to interact with youguys.
So if you find any more trends,let us know.
Until next time.
Thanks.
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