April 18, 2025 • 47 mins
Caroline Hull's journey from "cradle Catholic" to witch illuminates a path many women are walking today—reclaiming spiritual connection outside traditional religious structures. When the podcast strategist and coach discovered "Mary Magdalene Revealed," something profound awakened within her. The realization that this biblical woman's story had been deliberately altered and diminished by patriarchal forces mirrored Caroline's own experiences of feeling silenced and disconnected.
As a homeschooling mother of three daughters, Caroline faced a critical choice: continue within religious traditions that didn't fully honor women's voices or embrace a more authentic spiritual path. She chose courage, gradually exploring witchcraft, goddess spirituality, and earth-based practices while maintaining transparent conversations with her children about this evolution. Rather than rejection, she found remarkable support, particularly from her scientifically-minded teenage daughter who encourages her mother's authenticity even when Caroline still sometimes hides her witchy books when guests visit.
The parallels between Caroline's spiritual transformation and professional evolution are striking. As a "Voice Keeper" for women in business, she helps clients overcome the very blocks she faced—finding confidence in their voice, trusting their message, and creating content aligned with their authentic selves. This powerful mission emerged organically through her own healing journey, as she recognized how women's voices have been systematically suppressed throughout history, just like Mary Magdalene's.
For anyone questioning their spiritual inheritance or feeling called to explore beyond religious boundaries, Caroline's story offers gentle permission and practical wisdom. Her integration of Mary Magdalene on her altar alongside other spiritual tools demonstrates that evolution doesn't require wholesale rejection of our past—sometimes the most powerful reclamation comes from rescuing the sacred feminine elements that were always hidden within traditional religions. Ready to explore your own authentic spiritual voice? Caroline's journey reminds us that sometimes our greatest power emerges when we finally stop dimming our light.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, welcome to another Cozy Coven Chats.
I'm your host, jenny C Bell,and today I'm bringing to you my
very first guest ever on thepodcast, caroline Hull.
And when I began this podcast,my hope was that my very first
guest would be someone in ourcoven.
But I didn't know that my firstguest would be someone in our
coven and also a podcast coach.
(00:22):
So tell me, if that's not theperfect first guest for any
podcaster, it definitely is Forthose of you who are not already
familiar with her, carolineHull is a podcast strategist,
coach and voice keeper for womenin business.
She helps coaches and creativesturn their podcasts into aligned
client attracting tools throughsoulful strategy and
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intentional content.
With nearly a decade ofpodcasting experience, caroline
is the founder of the Strategizeand Shine Podcast Academy and
host of Share Strategize andShine.
And this chat is very sweet.
It's very centered on healingfrom growing up in a Christian
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or Catholic upbringing, and it'sso amazing how often we keep
circling back in thisconversation to Mary Magdalene.
And so if you're alreadyfamiliar with Mary Magdalene,
you're going to love this.
If you're not, definitely takea listen and get to know how she
inspired both of our journeys.
Well, I'd like to welcomeCaroline to the podcast, to the
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chat, and I got to know Carolinein our coven and she has been
really a good contributor inthere, showing up to lives and
connecting with people.
But what I didn't know at firstwas that she actually has her
own podcast, her own podcastacademy, and when I asked people
to be on my podcast, she wasone of the first people to say
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yes, and now I know why.
So we're going to get to knowher a little bit.
Today We'll hear a little bitabout her journey, her spiritual
journey, her witchy journey,and then she'll also share a
little tidbit of helpfulinformation for new witches,
especially witches coming from aCatholic or Christian
background.
So if you could start by justbriefly introducing yourself and
(02:10):
telling us a little bit aboutyou and you know what makes you,
what makes you happy, whatmakes you who you are?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, so, as you said , I'm Caroline.
I work from home and homeschoolmy three beautiful daughters,
raising some fierce, strongwomen in my house, and I own my
own business.
So I am a podcast strategist,but what I like to tell people
that I really do is I help womenwho have online businesses
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share their voices in a waythat's going to be impactful for
them and for their business.
So I was actually tellingsomebody the other day I feel
like I've become a podcast lifecoach.
So because, inevitably when youstart sharing content, all
kinds of stuff pops up.
So, yeah, I live in Colorado.
I can see the mountains everyday, which brings me so much joy
(03:04):
.
I love being outside when I canLove being with my kids.
Yeah, that's what makes me tick.
I have two cats, two dogs, loveanimals all the things.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
All right.
So before we kind of learn alittle bit about your witchy
journey, I just would like toknow because you do so much from
home and there's a lot ofpeople that work from home or
homeschool like how do you kindof separate the space or the
energy and how do you not gocrazy in your own home because
you do everything from the house?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah, that has been a real challenge, especially as
I've become busier and my kidshave become busier.
So I have a 14, 11 and fouryear old.
So I've got like one enteringhigh school, I've got one
entering middle school and thenI've got like a preschooler and
I feel like when the two olderswere little, it was so much
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easier and so much more peacefuland I feel like as I've gotten
older, it's gotten more chaotic.
So a couple of things that Ireally do is we have a rhythm in
our house.
I always tell people we don'tdo a schedule, we have a rhythm.
And I have a rhythm in mybusiness as well.
So like I know when I'm going towork on certain things, on what
days, I know about what timeduring the day that I'm going to
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work and I do try to keep themseparate.
If we're doing homeschool, Itry to just be doing homeschool.
If I'm working, I try to justbe working and then, beyond that
, like taking time out.
So I am a huge lover of incense, so I will just like if I'm
feeling stressed or overwhelmedor like it's just I'm an INFJ.
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If anybody knows what theMyers-Briggs is, I'm like I'm
actually quite an introvert andI get overstimulated really
easily, and so I will just golight some incense and just
stand near my altar.
And then I actually created amini altar in the homeschool
space this last week, which hasbeen really lovely because it's
in the basement.
Um, this last week, which hasbeen really lovely because it's
in the basement, and so now I'vegot like these two kind of
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energetic, wonderfully peacefulplaces I can go to and I feel
like that has just made such adifference in the energy in our
home.
And so, yeah, it's all aboutrhythm, it's all about taking
care of yourself, um, and youknow, and just a lot of fun,
honestly, just having fun.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I love that, I love rhythm, and I feel like people
can lend that to like theirspiritual witchy practice as
well, because some people willsay, like I want to have a
morning ritual, I want to dothis, but if it's too rigid then
they lose it Like, and sohaving a rhythm, I like that,
especially because, as, aswitches, we like follow the moon
, we follow the earth cycle,like that's all rhythm yeah, and
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it's funny because since I'vebeen tuning into the, the cycle
of the moon and that kind ofstuff more, I'm actually seeing
how it affects my kids and ourhomeschool and our home and it
it's been really fascinating.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
So there is like a seasonality now that is kind of
flowing into the work that we dohere at home.
And so now I was just talkingto my daughter before the call
about like how is our summergoing to go?
Because she's we've got somemath to wrap up this summer and
I was like it'll just, it'll befine, we're just going to feel
into it, you know, and I I kindof laughed because I was like
Caroline four or five years agowould have been like no, we have
(06:28):
to schedule it in, it has to beat a certain time.
So I do love that, um, thatjourney that I've taken to just
being a little bit more aboutrhythm and less about schedule.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I love that.
I love that for parenting, Ilove that for work life balance
everything.
Like, yeah, I'm gonna, I'mgonna take that I, because I
don't.
I have like ADHD, so schedulesand I like I try really hard to
hold the schedule, but it's notsomething like I'm definitely
not a type A personality, sorhythm I like that.
(06:59):
I'm gonna take that for sure.
I had a question for you whatmade you join our coven?
Cause you are in there.
You've been in there a coupleof months now, right.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, I think it was.
It was last I joined, at theend of last year, so it was.
It was like October, september,october.
So I started diving into.
Well, where would you like meto start, because I may have to
(07:30):
go back a little bit.
So I found you on TikTok.
I found you on TikTok.
Yeah, I found you on TikTokrandomly.
So I had read a book about MaryMagdalene and it like changed
my life.
Like this book literallychanged my life.
It's called Mary Magdalene andit like changed my life.
Like this.
This book literally changed mylife.
It's called Mary MagdaleneRevealed.
And I started diving into like,because that book is a lot about
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like, what early Christianitycould have been, and it's also a
lot about, like, yourrelationship with yourself.
I started digging into some ofthat and so I started following
people on TikTok and you kind ofpopped up in my world.
So I had actually beenfollowing you for a while and
every time a video of yourspopped up I just felt like a
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sense of peace.
But I also was really confusedabout you know, where do I go
Like, how do I find people whoare walking a similar path to me
?
And that was really why Ijoined was.
I just wanted to be in the roomwhere it happens, as it were,
around people who were going ona similar journey, because I
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think that's like been one ofthe hardest things the last few
years for me is going throughthis journey of like what do I
actually believe, what path am Igoing to follow?
But feeling very alone in it.
And I had also, right around thetime I had read this Mary
Magdalene book, I startedreading a lot of books about
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witches and feminism and thehistory of witches, lot of books
about witches and feminism andthe history of witches.
And there were a couple books Iread where they would talk
about coven and community andhow important that was and I was
like, how do I find that here?
Like I'm not tapped into thatin my local area, and so finding
your coven online was like itwas so amazing and I love it
because now I have a place to goand I'm not having to like
(09:21):
Google or like watch videos onTikTok and be like it was so
amazing and I love it becausenow I have a place to go and I'm
not having to like Google orlike watch videos on TikTok and
be like what is this?
What does this mean?
What does this look like?
So yeah, that's.
That's a short version of how Ifound it.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
So how did you find the Mary Magdalene revealed by
Megan Watterson Like?
How did that book get into yourhands, Do you remember?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I don't remember, honestly.
So I have been questioning thewomen's place in religion for a
very long time.
So I was raised Catholic.
My husband and I are both whatwe like to call cradle Catholics
, and you know.
And he went to Catholic school,I did not, but we have always
(10:10):
questioned.
I mean, I took religiousstudies in college and I
remember just falling in lovewith Buddhism, like just this
idea of reaching forenlightenment, and I went to
school in a very religiouscommunity.
It was not a religiouslyoriented school but there was a
lot of recruiting going on oncampus and it just was a very
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hard time for me because I wasquestioning a lot.
I felt like it didn't fit.
I've never really felt like Ifit in the Catholic church to be
lot.
I felt like it didn't fit.
I've never really felt like Ifit in the Catholic church.
To be honest, I've always feltout of place.
And when our daughter startedgetting older and the world
started revealing itself alittle bit and how it treats
women, I really started toquestion if that was the
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environment I wanted them in.
And so I think somewhere alongthose lines that led me to the
Mary Magdalene book.
I cannot even tell you how Igot there.
I think the universe was likeyou need this book and that's
because I don't even rememberlike buying it, to be honest.
But I started reading it and Iwas like yes, like every page I
was like yes, yes, you know,this is what I've been feeling,
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this disconnect from the church,and I have always been the kind
of person who felt better innature with my feet in the grass
and my eyes to the mountainsthan I ever did inside of a
building.
So, yeah, it just seemed like anatural progression for me and
that book really cracked opensomething in me that was like
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waiting to be cracked open.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
So did you use the?
Did you say cradle Catholic?
Yeah, yeah.
So I always say I was bornCatholic, because you were truly
born Catholic.
It's not like Literally.
Yeah yeah, I love that thatbook brought you to like
goddesses and feminism, becauseI think that's the intention of
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her book, like she's a reallywonderful writer.
And I remember I also took aworld religions course and I
remember like learning aboutthese other gospels and being
like wait a minute, so there'smore.
You know, know what I mean?
Like it was, I was like 19.
I was like in shock.
I'd already was a witch at thatpoint, but I did not know that
there was these other gospelsthat got left out.
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And then I kind of went on ahunt for Mary Magdalene.
It took me to the Getty Museumin LA and there was like all
these paintings of MaryMagdalene.
She'd be shown with like askull or like the alabaster jar.
I read the woman with thealabaster jar.
It was just like, it was verylike it's almost thrilling to be
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like.
I mean like reading MeganWatterson's book and reading
other books about Mary Magdalene, my heart would speed up, like
my body was like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Right, yeah, I you know, yeah, right, yeah, I you
know.
The other thing that I thinkhas been so huge.
So I have my oldest daughterwants to be um an astronaut and
not in the like.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I would be an astronaut like she's oh sorry,
say that again my not like katieperry, not like katie.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
No, she wants to be an actual astronaut and she has
always questioned, alwaysquestioned.
I mean, we would read the Biblewhen she was little and she
would be like, wait a minute,this doesn't make sense.
What about the Big Bang?
Where are the dinosaurs?
Like she was that kind of kid.
Where are the dinosaurs?
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Like she was that kind of kidand you know, having someone
like that in your life, who'slike started?
I mean, she was like sevenyears old and she's challenging
everything.
I've been raised believing but Iactually, you know, I actually
was challenging it myself, butvery quietly, and so when I read
that Mary Magdalene book, itwas like a validation of the
challenges that I had beenbringing.
You know, like, what is thisbook exactly Like?
(14:05):
Is this, you know, is thisactually history?
Like you know, there were allthese things that I was asking.
And, yeah, and knowing thatthere were other books out there
, like there's another one thatI'm really fascinated by.
I'd love to learn more about.
But she talks about Thecla a lotin the Mary Magdalene book, who
traveled with Paul and who wasum, basically she's not allowed
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sainthood because she baptizedherself and, like you know, you
need to read that and you'rejust like what the heck?
And they left her book out aswell.
Um, and so it just.
Yeah, you know, I it really wasmy daughter pushing me because
I could see this very smart,independent soul and she's going
into a world where she's goingto have to fight for everything
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she wants and I was like I'vegot to give her the tools.
She's not getting the toolswhere we were at, and that
really was the push I needed,you know, was her, and then, of
course, that book.
So and then?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
were you homeschooling the whole time
with her, or was that like achange that you made?
Speaker 2 (15:05):
yes, no, we were homeschooling the whole time
because I had felt like again,so this, this just cracks me up
when I think about it we had puther in a catholic preschool
when she was four and herexperience there was already so
negative and I was like there'sgot to be something better,
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there's got to be somethingdifferent.
And that's when I fell intohomeschooling.
I really wanted to give my kidssomething unique and different
that I had had.
You know, I had gone to publicschool, my husband had gone to
Catholic school.
We were like we don't wanteither of these and nothing
against either of those, but wejust wanted something unique and
a unique experience for them.
But I think what's so wonderfulabout the homeschooling is it
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has allowed us the opportunityto dive into a lot of these
topics and, like when we readhistory, we read it from a very
critical eye and we questionthings and we look things up and
you know, and that too, I think, has really cracked open this
feminist worldview that I'vedeveloped over the last few
years.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
So yeah, so I often think like that working with
like goddesses and doing witchythings leads someone to a more
feminist point of view.
And it's interesting that yousay that, because some people
don't like that word.
But I always think about.
I took um lit theory in when Iwas a literature major and we
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read, uh, donna Haraway, who isa like a feminist, and she said
that a feminist could be of anygender and a feminist loves
mother earth, loves animals andworks with all people.
And I've always taken that asmy definition.
Like a real feminist isn't likeonly wanting women to do well,
it's like we want everyone to dowell, including the earth.
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Like we want we just care abouteveryone humanity, the earth.
Like we want we just care abouteveryone humanity, the earth,
the collective.
Like we want it all to heal, wewant it all to be better.
And I love too that you'retalking about like this Mary
Magdalene as a gateway too,because like growing up Catholic
it feels, even with mother Mary, it just feels so masculine.
Like I remember learning Icouldn't be a priest.
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I was like I'm going to be apriest when I grow up and
because I've always been veryspiritual.
And then my grandfather waslike, oh, no, you could be a nun
, but you can't be a priest.
And I was like, oh, and thenit's like you know, we, I would
pray to Mother Mary more than Iprayed to anybody else, so I
just felt more comfortable withthis one woman that I was taught
about and I was allowed to prayto, you know.
(17:38):
So yeah, it's interesting.
Okay, so you read the book, youstarted getting on TikTok, you
started questioning and thenthen what happened after that?
Speaker 2 (17:50):
You know, I think it really was diving into the
history of witches.
So I read Pam Grossman's book,I read the French writer I can't
think of her the name of herbook.
I feel like I should look it upbecause I don't want to be.
I read a few books all aboutlike the history of witches, the
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history of the witch trials,and not just like the witch
trials here, but like the onesthat happened in Europe.
And I have always so I lovehistory.
I'm a big like I should havebeen a historian, I should have
majored in history, because Ijust love history so much.
I mean I remember going toScotland and seeing Hadrian's
Wall and being like just mad youknow, like I still get mad that
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they pushed the Celts, you know, off their land, like I still
think about those things.
And when I started digging intothe history it felt like I was
almost being called to honor thewomen that had gone through all
of that.
Like when you really start tostudy what those women went
through, but not just what theywent through but who they were
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before all of that happened, andlike what we've lost.
And I think that is what reallyradicalized me honestly,
because I felt like I have neverfelt like I fit in, never in my
whole life Like when I was inhigh school I didn't fit in.
When I was in junior high, Ididn't fit in.
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I didn't fit into the balletworld.
I was a ballet dancer for manyyears, was a ballet pedagogy
major.
I didn't fit in.
I have always felt out of place.
When I married my husband Ididn't fit into his group of
friends.
Like I have always felt out ofplace.
And when I started reading thisstuff it was almost like I was
finding my place, like I waslike carrying something with me
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that had been lost forgenerations or something I can't
even explain it.
It just felt I felt like I wasbeing called and led very
specifically to become a witch.
And when I first started likedabbling or whatever you know
those first steps you take, likeit felt like a homecoming.
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It felt like like I feel morespiritual now than I did all
those years of being Catholic.
I feel more connected to myselfand to like what I want to be
and how I engage with the worldthan I did.
And the interesting thing aboutall of this is right before, I'm
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pretty sure before I got theMary Magdalene book, I had like
a complete crisis, like I didn'tknow who I was, I didn't know
what I was doing, nothing feltright and we had kind of left
the church.
At that point I put quotationmarks around that because it's
not like we like wrote a letterand said, hey, we're leaving.
It just kind of like graduallyhappened, you know, and we
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weren't going to church anymoreand I remember just feeling so
disconnected, like I hadn't feltconnected before.
But I felt even moredisconnected now and I almost
felt like I was doing adisservice to my kids, like I
was like man, they're not goingto have any spirituality, like
is that okay?
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And when all of this startedlike popping up in my world, it
really did feel like ahomecoming.
And even my oldest daughter,who is like the most skeptical
person on the planet, like shewill do stuff with me.
She likes to do Oracle cards,she likes crystals, she likes to
hang out at the altar with meand it's been really cool seeing
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her form that connection aswell.
You know she's, out of all ofour kids, she's the one who
remembers the Catholic Churchthe most and she liked ritual,
she liked going, she liked theritual of it all, and so
bringing that back into ourhouse and the way that we have
has been really special.
But yeah, I mean, I really feltlike I was called to this.
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I felt like there was somethingout there that was like you
need to reconnect with who womenwere called to this.
I felt like I felt like therewas some something out there
that was like you need toreconnect with who women were
meant to be.
You need to reconnect with whoyou were meant to be.
You know, yeah, it felt, itfelt bigger than me, for sure?
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Well, I think you're right.
You know, like I, I became awitch in the nineties and it was
still very like subculture andI just kept it hidden for a long
time.
And then my one friend's likeno girl, you need to go on witch
talk.
I'm like what is that?
And I went on there and I'mlike oh, people are allowed to
be witches now.
Like we're not going to getmade fun of and like run out of
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our neighborhoods, like I reallyhad to deal with some witch
wound stuff.
But I saw, like all thesepeople just like truly being
called, truly interested, trulylike wanting to learn more, and
it was amazing to me and itreally, I think.
I mean, if we look at the stateof the world at the moment, like
we're going through a hugechange.
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I don't care who you voted foror what country you live in,
there is a huge change going onand it can't be denied.
And it's like women need to bepart of that.
And I think a lot of times,like in order to really heal our
full femininity, we have toheal that witch wound.
We have to like come to termswith that word.
(23:16):
That's why I use the word allthe time it's like a reclamation
, you know, instead of beinglike.
You know, I'm sure we've alllike had the family members like
, oh yeah, that woman, she's areal witch, you know, and they
use it instead of bitch, andit's like, you know, like it's
like we need to take it back.
So I think you're right.
I think there is like a masscalling right now, but
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particularly women are likewaking up to this, like wait a
minute, like none of this addsup.
There needs to be more, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah, and it's interesting.
I love that you brought up theword witch because, as someone
who has come from a Catholicbackground like if you read in
the catechism, it talks aboutthings specifically like it
specifically mentions of thosedeep seated fears that were
planted in me by I don't know apatriarch or a patriarchal
organization Like, what I havecome to realize is that a lot of
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what happens inside organizedreligion is is for control.
Organized religion is is forcontrol and that has been like
so incredibly freeing, likebeing like they don't control me
anymore.
You know what?
I have a tarot deck now.
I have not burst into flameslike you know, and and which
that.
That is something that I Ithink when I first joined the
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coven, there was actuallyactually a conversation you know
what do you call yourself?
And I said I don't know if I'mcomfortable enough yet to call
myself a witch, and my kidswould.
They asked me they were like doyou call yourself a witch now?
And I'm like I don't know.
I don't know, and that'ssomething I'm still grappling
with, because it is a word thatyou know for so many centuries
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has had such a negativeconnotation and I think that was
a thing that was so eye openingto me when I started actually
educating myself on whatwitchcraft was, on what being a
witch actually meant, andrealizing how much beauty and
goodness is in it, when I all Ihad been taught was how dark and
evil it was.
Like, I think back to highschool.
(25:31):
I loved your podcast episodewhere you talked about your
journey, because there were somany things I connected with
that.
I remember back in high schoolthere was a girl who was Wicca
and she would bring some of herbooks to school and I would
always kind of sit off and, likeyou know, be like, oh, what is
that?
Oh, but that's, that's evil.
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I can't, you know, I can't, Igotta be careful, it's evil.
And but I was always interestedin it.
Like I was always kind oflooking over her shoulder, going
what is that?
You know, trying to peek over,and so I started.
It was your podcast episodereminded me of that experience
and being like what is that?
That's so interesting andfascinating, being so scared to
dive into it.
And you know, now, being where Iam, and you know I'm 41 now and
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I'm like whatever, like youknow, it's time to embrace my
true, authentic self.
And I I'm like, yeah, bring it,let me learn about everything.
And the more I have read, themore I have learned, the more I
realized just how beautiful andand good and connected to the
good things in this worldwitchcraft really is.
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And you know, and, and what'sso cool to me is how it can be
uniquely yours.
So, like I still I mean, I haveMary Magdalene all over my
altar.
I feel so connected to her as awoman who was misunderstood,
whose story was told incorrectly, who was made the villain in a
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religion, you know, and I feelso, so connected to her and I
definitely think that she wasbrought into my life for a
reason.
And so, you know, it's, justbecause I became a witch doesn't
mean that I had to get rid ofher, because, you know, that's
part of Christianity or anything.
So it's been, it's been such aincredible thing for me to go
(27:17):
through and I think it's beenincredible for my kids to
witness that like it's not ascut and dry as we all thought it
was right, like it can.
You know, it can be a mix ofthings and, yeah, I just I love
that and I think that's been sofreeing for me in this stage of
my life.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Well, I love that you're open with it, with your
kids and, how you mentioned,your 14 year old is the most
skeptic but also kind of themost interested, because it's
the same in my house my 14 yearold is.
If you look at her astrologychart, it's like skeptic,
skeptic.
I mean, there's like so manyflags for her to just do science
.
She's always been scienceminded and she has her own tarot
(27:55):
cards and she, you know she'slearning, she enjoys it and she
recently did a spell and hadlike really good results very
quickly and I think it really itconfirmed for her that, okay,
my mom's not totally crazy,right, like she, like she knows
what she's talking about.
You know, it was like this kindof a bonding moment and it was,
(28:17):
yeah, it was very cool and so Ilove that you're bringing them,
you're open with them.
Was it like hard for you to beopen with them or to like invite
them into that world?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
It was at first and it also wasn't, because I feel
like my purpose as a mother ofthree girls is is to raise some
pretty strong, like I always say, like I'm raising some pretty
strong, fierce woman, and like Ifeel like that's not by
accident, like I think I'mpreparing them for a world in
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which they are gonna to have tofight for everything they want,
more so than I ever felt or youknow, I don't even know and so
it was really important to mewhen I started this journey that
I had conversations with themabout why I was doing what I was
doing, where it was coming from.
I listened to a lot of thebooks on audiobook and so they
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would listen with me.
They listened to the BBC Witchpodcast with me, yeah, and so it
just was like I tried to makethem a part of the experience,
and I've always said to themlike you do not have to follow
this path, but if you want tolike, here's why I am doing it,
and I mean and they I mean theylove it.
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They have connected.
My middle has connected so muchwith it.
We went to our firstmetaphysical store here in town
a couple of weeks ago, and theenergy in that store was so
amazing.
I've never walked into a spaceand just been like, oh, like it
just felt so good.
But when we walked out, it wasfunny because even my kids were
like gosh, it felt so muchbetter in there than it does out
(29:58):
here.
Like they're starting to tuneinto that kind of thing and it's
been really neat.
We did.
We did a house cleansing theother day.
We've just had a really hardcouple of months and I was like
you know what we need to do.
We need to cleanse this entirespace.
I had just taken yourprotection class so I was like,
okay, we've got to put somecrystals in some corners, you
know, and, and they, theyparticipated and you know, and
(30:23):
they, they were part of it andthey thought it was really cool,
and so that's been really neat.
And the funny thing about it,too, is my.
So I am still a little quietabout it.
Like whenever people come over,I put all my witchy books in
the cabinet.
I don't take anything off myaltar, but I do like hide my
(30:43):
witchy books that are sitting onthe coffee table.
I'm still nervous.
There's still a part of methat's nervous, right, because I
have been.
This has been so ingrained.
I'm breaking lots of you knowstuff that's been ingrained in
me as a person.
And what's funny is my14-year-old is like, why are you
hiding it?
Just be who you are.
Like just do it.
Like she's so funny.
(31:04):
So she's been like my littlecheerleader, like just it
doesn't matter who cares, likewho's going to say anything,
whatever, like so that's beenreally cool to to see that.
You know, I was not that way at14.
I was terrified to be who I wasand so just to see that my
journey, reflected in her eyes,is that oh, my mom is stepping
(31:25):
into who she is and I'm going tobe a cheerleader for that, that
has been really cool.
I think that when we are openwith our kids and we can share
these journeys that we go on,you know I've been I've been in
therapy the last few years likeI've been on a healing journey.
I feel like for the last fiveyears or so, a bit like a big
healing journey as a human andI've been really open with them
(31:50):
about that and I think it's justmade them better people.
I think it's made them feellike, you know, we can talk to
mom about anything.
Like I want that stuff to benormal, because it was so
unnormal for my generation.
You know, going to high school,like you said, in the 90s, I
mean we didn't, none of us werein therapy, none of us were
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talking about like how we feltwhen none of us were in tune
with our energy and how it wasaffecting things around us,
those kinds of things.
And so I think that it's it's avery conscious thing that my
husband and I have made a choicethat we were going to do things
differently, and to see thefruits of that as they're
getting older is pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Yeah, it seems like you're giving them a gift.
I always think about, like whenyou become a parent, conscious
parent, it's like you try tothink about what you would have
liked to have as a child and yougive that right, like you would
have liked to have honesty andyou would have liked to have
options and I love that.
And then so it seems like thepath has kind of affected like
your home life and you work with.
Is it mainly women or like onlywomen that you work with in
(32:59):
your podcast coaching?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah, so it's only women.
It wasn't originally by choice,it just happened that way.
And then now that's just what Isay is that I only work with
women.
But yeah, it's definitelyaffected the work that I do for
sure.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Yeah, can you tell us more about that?
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yeah, so when I started really working on my
throat chakra, it was reallyinteresting because I realized
very quickly that the thing thatI was experiencing like not
being able to speak my truth,all of these things.
So let me back up just a minute.
I since I was little, so Imentioned that I didn't feel
(33:42):
like I fit in.
I also have never really feltlike I could voice what I wanted
to voice, whether that was likean opinion on something or my
feelings.
I've always felt like I've gotto keep it inside and before I
started podcasting, I was not avery confident speaker.
I wouldn't.
(34:03):
I was, I would not have beenable to sit here and even have
this conversation with you,jenny.
Like 10 years ago I could notsit down and be confident in
what I was saying, andpodcasting has really given me
that.
Well, I noticed that over thelast few years, really since the
pandemic, because during thepandemic, we had like a major
surge of podcasters and Irealized that one of the things
(34:26):
I was starting to do wasactually coach people on how to
be confident in their contentand what they were sharing, and
I was like this is sointeresting, and so it was
really fascinating to me.
When I started a couple yearsago, there was like a big shift
in the industry.
Ai came on the market.
I went from having an agencywhere I was editing like 20 to
30 clients a week to only five,and I was like, man, what is the
(34:50):
future of my business look like?
And so I started working with abusiness coach on my purpose.
And it was so funny becausewhat came out of that was that
my purpose wasn't to editpodcasts, it was to give women a
space where they felt like theycould be seen and heard and
work on sharing their voiceconfidently.
(35:10):
And I started to see all thethreads in my life that have
been like pieced together, youknow, from being a child and not
wanting to upset anybody tobeing in the ballet world and
being walked all over and justletting them to.
You know the jobs that I've had, relationships, you know
(35:31):
there's been so many moments inmy life where people have
literally stepped on me and Ididn't speak up.
And now I'm like that's notwhat happens anymore.
I try to speak up quite oftenand so, yeah, so the point of my
business has changed so much.
(35:53):
Really, what I do now is I am astrategist, so I'm helping
people create podcasts that workfor their business, but we also
work through a lot of blocks.
Why are you having troublecreating this content?
Why are you not confident inyour voice?
What is the message you reallywant to share and how can we
build a podcast around that?
That has become a huge piece ofwhat I do and it's so impactful
(36:17):
because when I work with women,you know maybe they have
something really unique theywant to share and they come to
me and they're like I'm just notsure how to piece this together
.
And that's where I come in andit's been really cool to see
like their vision, but alsotheir voice, become clearer as
we work together.
And it's really funny because inthe last couple of weeks I've
(36:40):
been working on my marketing andmy branding and just like I
want my voice, like the way Iwrite and the copy on my website
and everything to reflect whatI'm saying right now to you.
And it was really funny becauseI was talking to ChatGPT like I
do and was like trying to workon some copy, and ChatGPT came
up with a new phrase that I amlike adopting and it just goes
(37:05):
with all the work that I've beendoing.
But it was like you're not justa podcast coach, you're a voice
keeper.
And I was like, okay, chatgpt.
Like, yes, a voice keeper.
And I was like, okay, chat GPT,like, yes, voice keeper.
(37:25):
I mean, that hit me so hardbecause I feel like I feel like
that is my purpose is to amplifywomen's voices.
And so I like I've changed onmy website you can see it now.
So, like, even before westarted recording this, you were
reading my bio and I wasthinking in my brain I was like,
oh, I need to give her theupdated one where it has a voice
keeper and stuff like that init, because it's like something
has just exploded out of me inthe last couple of weeks and
(37:48):
something has really shifted andhow I show up in the world and
yeah, and that voice keeperenergy, that is what I'm leaning
into, that gave me full bodychills Like that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Me too, voice keeper.
And then I love too that it'sshare, strategize and shine,
because what you're doing isyou're not just giving like dry
business advice, like you'rehelping the person find like
their inner light, right Toshare, cause that's what it is.
It's like that's what blocksare.
They block that light and blockus from really expressing
(38:22):
ourselves.
So that's beautiful, that'sreally beautiful.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
There's something really amazing that I have
discovered about, like, whetheryou're a business owner or not,
just creating any kind ofcontent and sharing it, it like
really is difficult for a lot ofus and it makes us feel
vulnerable.
And I think with Instagram andTikTok, you know, we feel like
(38:47):
we need to show up in a certainway, like there's an aesthetic,
there's, there's a way, when youI mean I have been I have been
struggling with this for thelast year I've been working on,
like my Instagram strategy andtrying to get in front of more
people, so and it's just notcoming from an authentic place.
It's coming from a very likethis is what I should do kind of
(39:08):
place.
And so when we rebranded notthat long ago and I wanted to
include like mountains light, Iwanted those and my wonderful
ops manager, who's also adesigner, came up with that, and
that really was.
Often we are pushed to dim ourlight and like that is what I
(39:37):
have felt my entire life.
Like that my light has beendimmed.
And you know, when I steppedinto, when I started reading
about witches and and the witchtrials, that's what it, that's
what it felt like to me was thishuge dimming of lights and that
it just bled into my businessbranding.
(40:00):
Like I feel like all of thishas happened at the same time.
So, like you know, at the samemoment that I started like I
read that Mary Magdalene book wewere rebranding.
Um, I was changing the name ofmy podcast.
Um, rebranding, I was changingthe name of my podcast.
I've changed how I work withpeople and it's really all
connected to this journey thatI've been on.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Well, I love that too , because that's the story of
Mary Magdalene.
Her light was dimmed, like shewas like she was like an apostle
and they were like no, she's aprostitute.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Sorry, like we just can't.
I know One of my favoritestories of hers is in the book
of Mary Magdalene.
There's a story about hertelling the other disciples
about what Jesus told her.
This is after Jesus has diedand she's telling them stuff and
I'm pretty sure Peter right,peter, the rock of the church
was like um, you silly woman.
(40:56):
No, why would he share thatwith you and not with us?
And then one of the otherdisciples was like how dare you
speak to her like that, like shewas his favorite?
And I just love that passagebecause I feel like it literally
represents all women everywhere.
So often we're in a room wherewe're being told no, that's not,
that's not what it is.
And you know, and that that'sthe thing that's so magical
(41:19):
about podcasting too, is it islike it is not like social media
where people are trolling youand leaving negative comments.
It is literally like this thingthat you own, that you get to
put out into the world, likethis thing that you own, that
you get to put out into theworld, and and it's there to
create connection and engagementand and community in some ways.
(41:39):
And that's why, like if and ifsomebody ever comes to me and
they're like I'm thinking aboutstarting a podcast.
I'm like, do it, because it issuch a great way to share and to
get to know your voice and whatyou stand for.
Like that stuff becomes so muchclearer.
There's nothing like sittingbehind a microphone and talking
about what you believe for 20minutes to an hour.
(41:59):
That makes it clearer for you.
And so, yeah, I just alwaysthink about that story because I
feel like sometimes this is myway of being like nope, I'm
going to share anyways, andthat's what she did.
You know, the story is that shewent to France and where she is
greatly revered in the south ofFrance, they still to this day
(42:22):
like keep the cave that shelived in sacred and all of that
kind of thing.
And so you know, find, findyour, don't let them dim your
light, like find a place toshare your light.
I think that's so important.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
That's beautiful.
Um, I asked you originally toshare some kind of witchy tip,
but I feel like that's it rightthere.
Like you know what I mean, youthis?
It's interesting because thiswhole conversation has
constantly gone back to MaryMagdalene in a good way and like
it's this, it's her story, isour story, like that's what
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we're talking about, and I justthink that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Yeah, yeah, so do you have so?
Speaker 1 (43:05):
much any other little last things you'd like to share
before we say goodbye and letour listeners move on with their
day before we say goodbye andlet our listeners move on with
their day.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
No, I do have a funny story now that I'm thinking
about it.
So my birthday was recent,recent.
I had a recent birthday and Idid a little birthday spell and
I'm still listen, I'm stilllearning.
You know candle magic and stufflike that and I left my candle
going and I had a piece of rosequartz next to the candle and I
(43:40):
left and I all mean and it'sreally funny, because there was
a part of me that was likeCaroline gosh, you should know
better, you didn't set it upright, you didn't do it right
(44:02):
Like I wanted to criticizemyself.
And then over the last so mybirthday was March 27th.
We're recording this on April16th.
So, like in this month, therehas been so much transformation
and realization and I honestlythink that candle burning that
ring into my altar and explodingthat rose quartz was a sign
(44:24):
that this is what was.
This is going to be a year ofmajor transformation.
So you know, I think asbeginner witches, we can be
really hard on ourselves likethat.
We're not doing things right,and I know that for me, that's
exactly what I was doing in thatmoment and now I look back on
it and I'm like I am so gladthat that happened, because it
literally was like the start ofsomething kind of amazing.
(44:46):
So I don't know if that storyis helpful to anybody, but I
just thought that was funny.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Also, be careful of your candles fool to anybody,
but I just thought that wasfunny.
Also, be careful of yourcandles, no, I think.
Well, I also think about thesymbolism of, like rose, quartz,
right, it's so deeply tied withthe heart chakra so it's like
explosive change, heart led,which is exactly what you're
doing in your work and doing inyour homeschooling and doing
your own life.
It's all like heart led.
So, no, I think that's, that'samazing and that is true.
(45:13):
Like, yes, please always becareful with your candles, but I
always read the candle.
The candle goes out why you knowif there's not like someone
blowing on it, or let me look athow the glass burned, or you
know it, definitely somethingexplodes.
That's something you shouldlike find out why, and sometimes
, like you said, you don't knowreally why.
To like a while later.
(45:33):
But always take note.
Right, that's the lesson inthat like, do it with intention,
always take note and trust.
Trust that it's how it shouldbe.
Right, right, absolutely.
Yeah Well, thank you so muchfor chatting with me.
I appreciate your time andenergy.
And yeah, please, we can findCaroline at
(45:54):
wildhomepodcastingcom.
Check her out.
I'll put links here on theYouTube video and you can also
go to the podcast website forher links as well.
But I really enjoyed chattingwith you and I thank you.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Thank you so much.
I really enjoyed sharing today.
This meant a lot.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
I hope you enjoyed my chat with Caroline Hull today
and you can find her at WildHome Podcasting on Instagram or
wildhomepodcastingcom to connectwith her and learn a little bit
more about her.
Hi, welcome to another Cozy Coven Chats.
I'm your host, jenny C Bell,and today I'm bringing to you my
very first guest ever on thepodcast, caroline Hull.
And when I began this podcast,my hope was that my very first
guest would be someone in ourcoven.
But I didn't know that my firstguest would be someone in our
coven and also a podcast coach.
(00:22):
So tell me, if that's not theperfect first guest for any
podcaster, it definitely is Forthose of you who are not already
familiar with her, carolineHull is a podcast strategist,
coach and voice keeper for womenin business.
She helps coaches and creativesturn their podcasts into aligned
client attracting tools throughsoulful strategy and
(00:42):
intentional content.
With nearly a decade ofpodcasting experience, caroline
is the founder of the Strategizeand Shine Podcast Academy and
host of Share Strategize andShine.
And this chat is very sweet.
It's very centered on healingfrom growing up in a Christian
(01:04):
or Catholic upbringing, and it'sso amazing how often we keep
circling back in thisconversation to Mary Magdalene.
And so if you're alreadyfamiliar with Mary Magdalene,
you're going to love this.
If you're not, definitely takea listen and get to know how she
inspired both of our journeys.
Well, I'd like to welcomeCaroline to the podcast, to the
(01:26):
chat, and I got to know Carolinein our coven and she has been
really a good contributor inthere, showing up to lives and
connecting with people.
But what I didn't know at firstwas that she actually has her
own podcast, her own podcastacademy, and when I asked people
to be on my podcast, she wasone of the first people to say
(01:48):
yes, and now I know why.
So we're going to get to knowher a little bit.
Today We'll hear a little bitabout her journey, her spiritual
journey, her witchy journey,and then she'll also share a
little tidbit of helpfulinformation for new witches,
especially witches coming from aCatholic or Christian
background.
So if you could start by justbriefly introducing yourself and
(02:10):
telling us a little bit aboutyou and you know what makes you,
what makes you happy, whatmakes you who you are?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, so, as you said , I'm Caroline.
I work from home and homeschoolmy three beautiful daughters,
raising some fierce, strongwomen in my house, and I own my
own business.
So I am a podcast strategist,but what I like to tell people
that I really do is I help womenwho have online businesses
(02:41):
share their voices in a waythat's going to be impactful for
them and for their business.
So I was actually tellingsomebody the other day I feel
like I've become a podcast lifecoach.
So because, inevitably when youstart sharing content, all
kinds of stuff pops up.
So, yeah, I live in Colorado.
I can see the mountains everyday, which brings me so much joy
(03:04):
.
I love being outside when I canLove being with my kids.
Yeah, that's what makes me tick.
I have two cats, two dogs, loveanimals all the things.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
All right.
So before we kind of learn alittle bit about your witchy
journey, I just would like toknow because you do so much from
home and there's a lot ofpeople that work from home or
homeschool like how do you kindof separate the space or the
energy and how do you not gocrazy in your own home because
you do everything from the house?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah, that has been a real challenge, especially as
I've become busier and my kidshave become busier.
So I have a 14, 11 and fouryear old.
So I've got like one enteringhigh school, I've got one
entering middle school and thenI've got like a preschooler and
I feel like when the two olderswere little, it was so much
(03:58):
easier and so much more peacefuland I feel like as I've gotten
older, it's gotten more chaotic.
So a couple of things that Ireally do is we have a rhythm in
our house.
I always tell people we don'tdo a schedule, we have a rhythm.
And I have a rhythm in mybusiness as well.
So like I know when I'm going towork on certain things, on what
days, I know about what timeduring the day that I'm going to
(04:22):
work and I do try to keep themseparate.
If we're doing homeschool, Itry to just be doing homeschool.
If I'm working, I try to justbe working and then, beyond that
, like taking time out.
So I am a huge lover of incense, so I will just like if I'm
feeling stressed or overwhelmedor like it's just I'm an INFJ.
(04:44):
If anybody knows what theMyers-Briggs is, I'm like I'm
actually quite an introvert andI get overstimulated really
easily, and so I will just golight some incense and just
stand near my altar.
And then I actually created amini altar in the homeschool
space this last week, which hasbeen really lovely because it's
in the basement.
Um, this last week, which hasbeen really lovely because it's
in the basement, and so now I'vegot like these two kind of
(05:06):
energetic, wonderfully peacefulplaces I can go to and I feel
like that has just made such adifference in the energy in our
home.
And so, yeah, it's all aboutrhythm, it's all about taking
care of yourself, um, and youknow, and just a lot of fun,
honestly, just having fun.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I love that, I love rhythm, and I feel like people
can lend that to like theirspiritual witchy practice as
well, because some people willsay, like I want to have a
morning ritual, I want to dothis, but if it's too rigid then
they lose it Like, and sohaving a rhythm, I like that,
especially because, as, aswitches, we like follow the moon
, we follow the earth cycle,like that's all rhythm yeah, and
(05:49):
it's funny because since I'vebeen tuning into the, the cycle
of the moon and that kind ofstuff more, I'm actually seeing
how it affects my kids and ourhomeschool and our home and it
it's been really fascinating.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
So there is like a seasonality now that is kind of
flowing into the work that we dohere at home.
And so now I was just talkingto my daughter before the call
about like how is our summergoing to go?
Because she's we've got somemath to wrap up this summer and
I was like it'll just, it'll befine, we're just going to feel
into it, you know, and I I kindof laughed because I was like
Caroline four or five years agowould have been like no, we have
(06:28):
to schedule it in, it has to beat a certain time.
So I do love that, um, thatjourney that I've taken to just
being a little bit more aboutrhythm and less about schedule.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I love that.
I love that for parenting, Ilove that for work life balance
everything.
Like, yeah, I'm gonna, I'mgonna take that I, because I
don't.
I have like ADHD, so schedulesand I like I try really hard to
hold the schedule, but it's notsomething like I'm definitely
not a type A personality, sorhythm I like that.
(06:59):
I'm gonna take that for sure.
I had a question for you whatmade you join our coven?
Cause you are in there.
You've been in there a coupleof months now, right.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, I think it was.
It was last I joined, at theend of last year, so it was.
It was like October, september,october.
So I started diving into.
Well, where would you like meto start, because I may have to
(07:30):
go back a little bit.
So I found you on TikTok.
I found you on TikTok.
Yeah, I found you on TikTokrandomly.
So I had read a book about MaryMagdalene and it like changed
my life.
Like this book literallychanged my life.
It's called Mary Magdalene andit like changed my life.
Like this.
This book literally changed mylife.
It's called Mary MagdaleneRevealed.
And I started diving into like,because that book is a lot about
(07:55):
like, what early Christianitycould have been, and it's also a
lot about, like, yourrelationship with yourself.
I started digging into some ofthat and so I started following
people on TikTok and you kind ofpopped up in my world.
So I had actually beenfollowing you for a while and
every time a video of yourspopped up I just felt like a
(08:17):
sense of peace.
But I also was really confusedabout you know, where do I go
Like, how do I find people whoare walking a similar path to me
?
And that was really why Ijoined was.
I just wanted to be in the roomwhere it happens, as it were,
around people who were going ona similar journey, because I
(08:39):
think that's like been one ofthe hardest things the last few
years for me is going throughthis journey of like what do I
actually believe, what path am Igoing to follow?
But feeling very alone in it.
And I had also, right around thetime I had read this Mary
Magdalene book, I startedreading a lot of books about
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witches and feminism and thehistory of witches, lot of books
about witches and feminism andthe history of witches.
And there were a couple books Iread where they would talk
about coven and community andhow important that was and I was
like, how do I find that here?
Like I'm not tapped into thatin my local area, and so finding
your coven online was like itwas so amazing and I love it
because now I have a place to goand I'm not having to like
(09:21):
Google or like watch videos onTikTok and be like it was so
amazing and I love it becausenow I have a place to go and I'm
not having to like Google orlike watch videos on TikTok and
be like what is this?
What does this mean?
What does this look like?
So yeah, that's.
That's a short version of how Ifound it.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
So how did you find the Mary Magdalene revealed by
Megan Watterson Like?
How did that book get into yourhands, Do you remember?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I don't remember, honestly.
So I have been questioning thewomen's place in religion for a
very long time.
So I was raised Catholic.
My husband and I are both whatwe like to call cradle Catholics
, and you know.
And he went to Catholic school,I did not, but we have always
(10:10):
questioned.
I mean, I took religiousstudies in college and I
remember just falling in lovewith Buddhism, like just this
idea of reaching forenlightenment, and I went to
school in a very religiouscommunity.
It was not a religiouslyoriented school but there was a
lot of recruiting going on oncampus and it just was a very
(10:36):
hard time for me because I wasquestioning a lot.
I felt like it didn't fit.
I've never really felt like Ifit in the Catholic church to be
lot.
I felt like it didn't fit.
I've never really felt like Ifit in the Catholic church.
To be honest, I've always feltout of place.
And when our daughter startedgetting older and the world
started revealing itself alittle bit and how it treats
women, I really started toquestion if that was the
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environment I wanted them in.
And so I think somewhere alongthose lines that led me to the
Mary Magdalene book.
I cannot even tell you how Igot there.
I think the universe was likeyou need this book and that's
because I don't even rememberlike buying it, to be honest.
But I started reading it and Iwas like yes, like every page I
was like yes, yes, you know,this is what I've been feeling,
(11:19):
this disconnect from the church,and I have always been the kind
of person who felt better innature with my feet in the grass
and my eyes to the mountainsthan I ever did inside of a
building.
So, yeah, it just seemed like anatural progression for me and
that book really cracked opensomething in me that was like
(11:43):
waiting to be cracked open.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
So did you use the?
Did you say cradle Catholic?
Yeah, yeah.
So I always say I was bornCatholic, because you were truly
born Catholic.
It's not like Literally.
Yeah yeah, I love that thatbook brought you to like
goddesses and feminism, becauseI think that's the intention of
(12:07):
her book, like she's a reallywonderful writer.
And I remember I also took aworld religions course and I
remember like learning aboutthese other gospels and being
like wait a minute, so there'smore.
You know, know what I mean?
Like it was, I was like 19.
I was like in shock.
I'd already was a witch at thatpoint, but I did not know that
there was these other gospelsthat got left out.
(12:29):
And then I kind of went on ahunt for Mary Magdalene.
It took me to the Getty Museumin LA and there was like all
these paintings of MaryMagdalene.
She'd be shown with like askull or like the alabaster jar.
I read the woman with thealabaster jar.
It was just like, it was verylike it's almost thrilling to be
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like.
I mean like reading MeganWatterson's book and reading
other books about Mary Magdalene, my heart would speed up, like
my body was like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Right, yeah, I you know, yeah, right, yeah, I you
know.
The other thing that I thinkhas been so huge.
So I have my oldest daughterwants to be um an astronaut and
not in the like.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I would be an astronaut like she's oh sorry,
say that again my not like katieperry, not like katie.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
No, she wants to be an actual astronaut and she has
always questioned, alwaysquestioned.
I mean, we would read the Biblewhen she was little and she
would be like, wait a minute,this doesn't make sense.
What about the Big Bang?
Where are the dinosaurs?
Like she was that kind of kid.
Where are the dinosaurs?
(13:43):
Like she was that kind of kidand you know, having someone
like that in your life, who'slike started?
I mean, she was like sevenyears old and she's challenging
everything.
I've been raised believing but Iactually, you know, I actually
was challenging it myself, butvery quietly, and so when I read
that Mary Magdalene book, itwas like a validation of the
challenges that I had beenbringing.
You know, like, what is thisbook exactly Like?
(14:05):
Is this, you know, is thisactually history?
Like you know, there were allthese things that I was asking.
And, yeah, and knowing thatthere were other books out there
, like there's another one thatI'm really fascinated by.
I'd love to learn more about.
But she talks about Thecla a lotin the Mary Magdalene book, who
traveled with Paul and who wasum, basically she's not allowed
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sainthood because she baptizedherself and, like you know, you
need to read that and you'rejust like what the heck?
And they left her book out aswell.
Um, and so it just.
Yeah, you know, I it really wasmy daughter pushing me because
I could see this very smart,independent soul and she's going
into a world where she's goingto have to fight for everything
(14:47):
she wants and I was like I'vegot to give her the tools.
She's not getting the toolswhere we were at, and that
really was the push I needed,you know, was her, and then, of
course, that book.
So and then?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
were you homeschooling the whole time
with her, or was that like achange that you made?
Speaker 2 (15:05):
yes, no, we were homeschooling the whole time
because I had felt like again,so this, this just cracks me up
when I think about it we had puther in a catholic preschool
when she was four and herexperience there was already so
negative and I was like there'sgot to be something better,
(15:31):
there's got to be somethingdifferent.
And that's when I fell intohomeschooling.
I really wanted to give my kidssomething unique and different
that I had had.
You know, I had gone to publicschool, my husband had gone to
Catholic school.
We were like we don't wanteither of these and nothing
against either of those, but wejust wanted something unique and
a unique experience for them.
But I think what's so wonderfulabout the homeschooling is it
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has allowed us the opportunityto dive into a lot of these
topics and, like when we readhistory, we read it from a very
critical eye and we questionthings and we look things up and
you know, and that too, I think, has really cracked open this
feminist worldview that I'vedeveloped over the last few
years.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
So yeah, so I often think like that working with
like goddesses and doing witchythings leads someone to a more
feminist point of view.
And it's interesting that yousay that, because some people
don't like that word.
But I always think about.
I took um lit theory in when Iwas a literature major and we
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read, uh, donna Haraway, who isa like a feminist, and she said
that a feminist could be of anygender and a feminist loves
mother earth, loves animals andworks with all people.
And I've always taken that asmy definition.
Like a real feminist isn't likeonly wanting women to do well,
it's like we want everyone to dowell, including the earth.
(16:56):
Like we want we just care abouteveryone humanity, the earth.
Like we want we just care abouteveryone humanity, the earth,
the collective.
Like we want it all to heal, wewant it all to be better.
And I love too that you'retalking about like this Mary
Magdalene as a gateway too,because like growing up Catholic
it feels, even with mother Mary, it just feels so masculine.
Like I remember learning Icouldn't be a priest.
(17:18):
I was like I'm going to be apriest when I grow up and
because I've always been veryspiritual.
And then my grandfather waslike, oh, no, you could be a nun
, but you can't be a priest.
And I was like, oh, and thenit's like you know, we, I would
pray to Mother Mary more than Iprayed to anybody else, so I
just felt more comfortable withthis one woman that I was taught
about and I was allowed to prayto, you know.
(17:38):
So yeah, it's interesting.
Okay, so you read the book, youstarted getting on TikTok, you
started questioning and thenthen what happened after that?
Speaker 2 (17:50):
You know, I think it really was diving into the
history of witches.
So I read Pam Grossman's book,I read the French writer I can't
think of her the name of herbook.
I feel like I should look it upbecause I don't want to be.
I read a few books all aboutlike the history of witches, the
(18:14):
history of the witch trials,and not just like the witch
trials here, but like the onesthat happened in Europe.
And I have always so I lovehistory.
I'm a big like I should havebeen a historian, I should have
majored in history, because Ijust love history so much.
I mean I remember going toScotland and seeing Hadrian's
Wall and being like just mad youknow, like I still get mad that
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they pushed the Celts, you know, off their land, like I still
think about those things.
And when I started digging intothe history it felt like I was
almost being called to honor thewomen that had gone through all
of that.
Like when you really start tostudy what those women went
through, but not just what theywent through but who they were
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before all of that happened, andlike what we've lost.
And I think that is what reallyradicalized me honestly,
because I felt like I have neverfelt like I fit in, never in my
whole life Like when I was inhigh school I didn't fit in.
When I was in junior high, Ididn't fit in.
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I didn't fit into the balletworld.
I was a ballet dancer for manyyears, was a ballet pedagogy
major.
I didn't fit in.
I have always felt out of place.
When I married my husband Ididn't fit into his group of
friends.
Like I have always felt out ofplace.
And when I started reading thisstuff it was almost like I was
finding my place, like I waslike carrying something with me
(19:47):
that had been lost forgenerations or something I can't
even explain it.
It just felt I felt like I wasbeing called and led very
specifically to become a witch.
And when I first started likedabbling or whatever you know
those first steps you take, likeit felt like a homecoming.
(20:09):
It felt like like I feel morespiritual now than I did all
those years of being Catholic.
I feel more connected to myselfand to like what I want to be
and how I engage with the worldthan I did.
And the interesting thing aboutall of this is right before, I'm
(20:29):
pretty sure before I got theMary Magdalene book, I had like
a complete crisis, like I didn'tknow who I was, I didn't know
what I was doing, nothing feltright and we had kind of left
the church.
At that point I put quotationmarks around that because it's
not like we like wrote a letterand said, hey, we're leaving.
It just kind of like graduallyhappened, you know, and we
(20:53):
weren't going to church anymoreand I remember just feeling so
disconnected, like I hadn't feltconnected before.
But I felt even moredisconnected now and I almost
felt like I was doing adisservice to my kids, like I
was like man, they're not goingto have any spirituality, like
is that okay?
(21:13):
And when all of this startedlike popping up in my world, it
really did feel like ahomecoming.
And even my oldest daughter,who is like the most skeptical
person on the planet, like shewill do stuff with me.
She likes to do Oracle cards,she likes crystals, she likes to
hang out at the altar with meand it's been really cool seeing
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her form that connection aswell.
You know she's, out of all ofour kids, she's the one who
remembers the Catholic Churchthe most and she liked ritual,
she liked going, she liked theritual of it all, and so
bringing that back into ourhouse and the way that we have
has been really special.
But yeah, I mean, I really feltlike I was called to this.
(21:58):
I felt like there was somethingout there that was like you
need to reconnect with who womenwere called to this.
I felt like I felt like therewas some something out there
that was like you need toreconnect with who women were
meant to be.
You need to reconnect with whoyou were meant to be.
You know, yeah, it felt, itfelt bigger than me, for sure?
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Well, I think you're right.
You know, like I, I became awitch in the nineties and it was
still very like subculture andI just kept it hidden for a long
time.
And then my one friend's likeno girl, you need to go on witch
talk.
I'm like what is that?
And I went on there and I'mlike oh, people are allowed to
be witches now.
Like we're not going to getmade fun of and like run out of
(22:35):
our neighborhoods, like I reallyhad to deal with some witch
wound stuff.
But I saw, like all thesepeople just like truly being
called, truly interested, trulylike wanting to learn more, and
it was amazing to me and itreally, I think.
I mean, if we look at the stateof the world at the moment, like
we're going through a hugechange.
(22:55):
I don't care who you voted foror what country you live in,
there is a huge change going onand it can't be denied.
And it's like women need to bepart of that.
And I think a lot of times,like in order to really heal our
full femininity, we have toheal that witch wound.
We have to like come to termswith that word.
(23:16):
That's why I use the word allthe time it's like a reclamation
, you know, instead of beinglike.
You know, I'm sure we've alllike had the family members like
, oh yeah, that woman, she's areal witch, you know, and they
use it instead of bitch, andit's like, you know, like it's
like we need to take it back.
So I think you're right.
I think there is like a masscalling right now, but
(23:39):
particularly women are likewaking up to this, like wait a
minute, like none of this addsup.
There needs to be more, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah, and it's interesting.
I love that you brought up theword witch because, as someone
who has come from a Catholicbackground like if you read in
the catechism, it talks aboutthings specifically like it
specifically mentions of thosedeep seated fears that were
planted in me by I don't know apatriarch or a patriarchal
organization Like, what I havecome to realize is that a lot of
(24:26):
what happens inside organizedreligion is is for control.
Organized religion is is forcontrol and that has been like
so incredibly freeing, likebeing like they don't control me
anymore.
You know what?
I have a tarot deck now.
I have not burst into flameslike you know, and and which
that.
That is something that I Ithink when I first joined the
(24:49):
coven, there was actuallyactually a conversation you know
what do you call yourself?
And I said I don't know if I'mcomfortable enough yet to call
myself a witch, and my kidswould.
They asked me they were like doyou call yourself a witch now?
And I'm like I don't know.
I don't know, and that'ssomething I'm still grappling
with, because it is a word thatyou know for so many centuries
(25:09):
has had such a negativeconnotation and I think that was
a thing that was so eye openingto me when I started actually
educating myself on whatwitchcraft was, on what being a
witch actually meant, andrealizing how much beauty and
goodness is in it, when I all Ihad been taught was how dark and
evil it was.
Like, I think back to highschool.
(25:31):
I loved your podcast episodewhere you talked about your
journey, because there were somany things I connected with
that.
I remember back in high schoolthere was a girl who was Wicca
and she would bring some of herbooks to school and I would
always kind of sit off and, likeyou know, be like, oh, what is
that?
Oh, but that's, that's evil.
(25:55):
I can't, you know, I can't, Igotta be careful, it's evil.
And but I was always interestedin it.
Like I was always kind oflooking over her shoulder, going
what is that?
You know, trying to peek over,and so I started.
It was your podcast episodereminded me of that experience
and being like what is that?
That's so interesting andfascinating, being so scared to
dive into it.
And you know, now, being where Iam, and you know I'm 41 now and
(26:16):
I'm like whatever, like youknow, it's time to embrace my
true, authentic self.
And I I'm like, yeah, bring it,let me learn about everything.
And the more I have read, themore I have learned, the more I
realized just how beautiful andand good and connected to the
good things in this worldwitchcraft really is.
(26:36):
And you know, and, and what'sso cool to me is how it can be
uniquely yours.
So, like I still I mean, I haveMary Magdalene all over my
altar.
I feel so connected to her as awoman who was misunderstood,
whose story was told incorrectly, who was made the villain in a
(26:56):
religion, you know, and I feelso, so connected to her and I
definitely think that she wasbrought into my life for a
reason.
And so, you know, it's, justbecause I became a witch doesn't
mean that I had to get rid ofher, because, you know, that's
part of Christianity or anything.
So it's been, it's been such aincredible thing for me to go
(27:17):
through and I think it's beenincredible for my kids to
witness that like it's not ascut and dry as we all thought it
was right, like it can.
You know, it can be a mix ofthings and, yeah, I just I love
that and I think that's been sofreeing for me in this stage of
my life.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Well, I love that you're open with it, with your
kids and, how you mentioned,your 14 year old is the most
skeptic but also kind of themost interested, because it's
the same in my house my 14 yearold is.
If you look at her astrologychart, it's like skeptic,
skeptic.
I mean, there's like so manyflags for her to just do science
.
She's always been scienceminded and she has her own tarot
(27:55):
cards and she, you know she'slearning, she enjoys it and she
recently did a spell and hadlike really good results very
quickly and I think it really itconfirmed for her that, okay,
my mom's not totally crazy,right, like she, like she knows
what she's talking about.
You know, it was like this kindof a bonding moment and it was,
(28:17):
yeah, it was very cool and so Ilove that you're bringing them,
you're open with them.
Was it like hard for you to beopen with them or to like invite
them into that world?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
It was at first and it also wasn't, because I feel
like my purpose as a mother ofthree girls is is to raise some
pretty strong, like I always say, like I'm raising some pretty
strong, fierce woman, and like Ifeel like that's not by
accident, like I think I'mpreparing them for a world in
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which they are gonna to have tofight for everything they want,
more so than I ever felt or youknow, I don't even know and so
it was really important to mewhen I started this journey that
I had conversations with themabout why I was doing what I was
doing, where it was coming from.
I listened to a lot of thebooks on audiobook and so they
(29:14):
would listen with me.
They listened to the BBC Witchpodcast with me, yeah, and so it
just was like I tried to makethem a part of the experience,
and I've always said to themlike you do not have to follow
this path, but if you want tolike, here's why I am doing it,
and I mean and they I mean theylove it.
(29:36):
They have connected.
My middle has connected so muchwith it.
We went to our firstmetaphysical store here in town
a couple of weeks ago, and theenergy in that store was so
amazing.
I've never walked into a spaceand just been like, oh, like it
just felt so good.
But when we walked out, it wasfunny because even my kids were
like gosh, it felt so muchbetter in there than it does out
(29:58):
here.
Like they're starting to tuneinto that kind of thing and it's
been really neat.
We did.
We did a house cleansing theother day.
We've just had a really hardcouple of months and I was like
you know what we need to do.
We need to cleanse this entirespace.
I had just taken yourprotection class so I was like,
okay, we've got to put somecrystals in some corners, you
know, and, and they, theyparticipated and you know, and
(30:23):
they, they were part of it andthey thought it was really cool,
and so that's been really neat.
And the funny thing about it,too, is my.
So I am still a little quietabout it.
Like whenever people come over,I put all my witchy books in
the cabinet.
I don't take anything off myaltar, but I do like hide my
(30:43):
witchy books that are sitting onthe coffee table.
I'm still nervous.
There's still a part of methat's nervous, right, because I
have been.
This has been so ingrained.
I'm breaking lots of you knowstuff that's been ingrained in
me as a person.
And what's funny is my14-year-old is like, why are you
hiding it?
Just be who you are.
Like just do it.
Like she's so funny.
(31:04):
So she's been like my littlecheerleader, like just it
doesn't matter who cares, likewho's going to say anything,
whatever, like so that's beenreally cool to to see that.
You know, I was not that way at14.
I was terrified to be who I wasand so just to see that my
journey, reflected in her eyes,is that oh, my mom is stepping
(31:25):
into who she is and I'm going tobe a cheerleader for that, that
has been really cool.
I think that when we are openwith our kids and we can share
these journeys that we go on,you know I've been I've been in
therapy the last few years likeI've been on a healing journey.
I feel like for the last fiveyears or so, a bit like a big
healing journey as a human andI've been really open with them
(31:50):
about that and I think it's justmade them better people.
I think it's made them feellike, you know, we can talk to
mom about anything.
Like I want that stuff to benormal, because it was so
unnormal for my generation.
You know, going to high school,like you said, in the 90s, I
mean we didn't, none of us werein therapy, none of us were
(32:12):
talking about like how we feltwhen none of us were in tune
with our energy and how it wasaffecting things around us,
those kinds of things.
And so I think that it's it's avery conscious thing that my
husband and I have made a choicethat we were going to do things
differently, and to see thefruits of that as they're
getting older is pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Yeah, it seems like you're giving them a gift.
I always think about, like whenyou become a parent, conscious
parent, it's like you try tothink about what you would have
liked to have as a child and yougive that right, like you would
have liked to have honesty andyou would have liked to have
options and I love that.
And then so it seems like thepath has kind of affected like
your home life and you work with.
Is it mainly women or like onlywomen that you work with in
(32:59):
your podcast coaching?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah, so it's only women.
It wasn't originally by choice,it just happened that way.
And then now that's just what Isay is that I only work with
women.
But yeah, it's definitelyaffected the work that I do for
sure.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Yeah, can you tell us more about that?
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yeah, so when I started really working on my
throat chakra, it was reallyinteresting because I realized
very quickly that the thing thatI was experiencing like not
being able to speak my truth,all of these things.
So let me back up just a minute.
I since I was little, so Imentioned that I didn't feel
(33:42):
like I fit in.
I also have never really feltlike I could voice what I wanted
to voice, whether that was likean opinion on something or my
feelings.
I've always felt like I've gotto keep it inside and before I
started podcasting, I was not avery confident speaker.
I wouldn't.
(34:03):
I was, I would not have beenable to sit here and even have
this conversation with you,jenny.
Like 10 years ago I could notsit down and be confident in
what I was saying, andpodcasting has really given me
that.
Well, I noticed that over thelast few years, really since the
pandemic, because during thepandemic, we had like a major
surge of podcasters and Irealized that one of the things
(34:26):
I was starting to do wasactually coach people on how to
be confident in their contentand what they were sharing, and
I was like this is sointeresting, and so it was
really fascinating to me.
When I started a couple yearsago, there was like a big shift
in the industry.
Ai came on the market.
I went from having an agencywhere I was editing like 20 to
30 clients a week to only five,and I was like, man, what is the
(34:50):
future of my business look like?
And so I started working with abusiness coach on my purpose.
And it was so funny becausewhat came out of that was that
my purpose wasn't to editpodcasts, it was to give women a
space where they felt like theycould be seen and heard and
work on sharing their voiceconfidently.
(35:10):
And I started to see all thethreads in my life that have
been like pieced together, youknow, from being a child and not
wanting to upset anybody tobeing in the ballet world and
being walked all over and justletting them to.
You know the jobs that I've had, relationships, you know
(35:31):
there's been so many moments inmy life where people have
literally stepped on me and Ididn't speak up.
And now I'm like that's notwhat happens anymore.
I try to speak up quite oftenand so, yeah, so the point of my
business has changed so much.
(35:53):
Really, what I do now is I am astrategist, so I'm helping
people create podcasts that workfor their business, but we also
work through a lot of blocks.
Why are you having troublecreating this content?
Why are you not confident inyour voice?
What is the message you reallywant to share and how can we
build a podcast around that?
That has become a huge piece ofwhat I do and it's so impactful
(36:17):
because when I work with women,you know maybe they have
something really unique theywant to share and they come to
me and they're like I'm just notsure how to piece this together
.
And that's where I come in andit's been really cool to see
like their vision, but alsotheir voice, become clearer as
we work together.
And it's really funny because inthe last couple of weeks I've
(36:40):
been working on my marketing andmy branding and just like I
want my voice, like the way Iwrite and the copy on my website
and everything to reflect whatI'm saying right now to you.
And it was really funny becauseI was talking to ChatGPT like I
do and was like trying to workon some copy, and ChatGPT came
up with a new phrase that I amlike adopting and it just goes
(37:05):
with all the work that I've beendoing.
But it was like you're not justa podcast coach, you're a voice
keeper.
And I was like, okay, chatgpt.
Like, yes, a voice keeper.
And I was like, okay, chat GPT,like, yes, voice keeper.
(37:25):
I mean, that hit me so hardbecause I feel like I feel like
that is my purpose is to amplifywomen's voices.
And so I like I've changed onmy website you can see it now.
So, like, even before westarted recording this, you were
reading my bio and I wasthinking in my brain I was like,
oh, I need to give her theupdated one where it has a voice
keeper and stuff like that init, because it's like something
has just exploded out of me inthe last couple of weeks and
(37:48):
something has really shifted andhow I show up in the world and
yeah, and that voice keeperenergy, that is what I'm leaning
into, that gave me full bodychills Like that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Me too, voice keeper.
And then I love too that it'sshare, strategize and shine,
because what you're doing isyou're not just giving like dry
business advice, like you'rehelping the person find like
their inner light, right Toshare, cause that's what it is.
It's like that's what blocksare.
They block that light and blockus from really expressing
(38:22):
ourselves.
So that's beautiful, that'sreally beautiful.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
There's something really amazing that I have
discovered about, like, whetheryou're a business owner or not,
just creating any kind ofcontent and sharing it, it like
really is difficult for a lot ofus and it makes us feel
vulnerable.
And I think with Instagram andTikTok, you know, we feel like
(38:47):
we need to show up in a certainway, like there's an aesthetic,
there's, there's a way, when youI mean I have been I have been
struggling with this for thelast year I've been working on,
like my Instagram strategy andtrying to get in front of more
people, so and it's just notcoming from an authentic place.
It's coming from a very likethis is what I should do kind of
(39:08):
place.
And so when we rebranded notthat long ago and I wanted to
include like mountains light, Iwanted those and my wonderful
ops manager, who's also adesigner, came up with that, and
that really was.
Often we are pushed to dim ourlight and like that is what I
(39:37):
have felt my entire life.
Like that my light has beendimmed.
And you know, when I steppedinto, when I started reading
about witches and and the witchtrials, that's what it, that's
what it felt like to me was thishuge dimming of lights and that
it just bled into my businessbranding.
(40:00):
Like I feel like all of thishas happened at the same time.
So, like you know, at the samemoment that I started like I
read that Mary Magdalene book wewere rebranding.
Um, I was changing the name ofmy podcast.
Um, rebranding, I was changingthe name of my podcast.
I've changed how I work withpeople and it's really all
connected to this journey thatI've been on.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Well, I love that too , because that's the story of
Mary Magdalene.
Her light was dimmed, like shewas like she was like an apostle
and they were like no, she's aprostitute.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Sorry, like we just can't.
I know One of my favoritestories of hers is in the book
of Mary Magdalene.
There's a story about hertelling the other disciples
about what Jesus told her.
This is after Jesus has diedand she's telling them stuff and
I'm pretty sure Peter right,peter, the rock of the church
was like um, you silly woman.
(40:56):
No, why would he share thatwith you and not with us?
And then one of the otherdisciples was like how dare you
speak to her like that, like shewas his favorite?
And I just love that passagebecause I feel like it literally
represents all women everywhere.
So often we're in a room wherewe're being told no, that's not,
that's not what it is.
And you know, and that that'sthe thing that's so magical
(41:19):
about podcasting too, is it islike it is not like social media
where people are trolling youand leaving negative comments.
It is literally like this thingthat you own, that you get to
put out into the world, likethis thing that you own, that
you get to put out into theworld, and and it's there to
create connection and engagementand and community in some ways.
(41:39):
And that's why, like if and ifsomebody ever comes to me and
they're like I'm thinking aboutstarting a podcast.
I'm like, do it, because it issuch a great way to share and to
get to know your voice and whatyou stand for.
Like that stuff becomes so muchclearer.
There's nothing like sittingbehind a microphone and talking
about what you believe for 20minutes to an hour.
(41:59):
That makes it clearer for you.
And so, yeah, I just alwaysthink about that story because I
feel like sometimes this is myway of being like nope, I'm
going to share anyways, andthat's what she did.
You know, the story is that shewent to France and where she is
greatly revered in the south ofFrance, they still to this day
(42:22):
like keep the cave that shelived in sacred and all of that
kind of thing.
And so you know, find, findyour, don't let them dim your
light, like find a place toshare your light.
I think that's so important.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
That's beautiful.
Um, I asked you originally toshare some kind of witchy tip,
but I feel like that's it rightthere.
Like you know what I mean, youthis?
It's interesting because thiswhole conversation has
constantly gone back to MaryMagdalene in a good way and like
it's this, it's her story, isour story, like that's what
(42:58):
we're talking about, and I justthink that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Yeah, yeah, so do you have so?
Speaker 1 (43:05):
much any other little last things you'd like to share
before we say goodbye and letour listeners move on with their
day before we say goodbye andlet our listeners move on with
their day.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
No, I do have a funny story now that I'm thinking
about it.
So my birthday was recent,recent.
I had a recent birthday and Idid a little birthday spell and
I'm still listen, I'm stilllearning.
You know candle magic and stufflike that and I left my candle
going and I had a piece of rosequartz next to the candle and I
(43:40):
left and I all mean and it'sreally funny, because there was
a part of me that was likeCaroline gosh, you should know
better, you didn't set it upright, you didn't do it right
(44:02):
Like I wanted to criticizemyself.
And then over the last so mybirthday was March 27th.
We're recording this on April16th.
So, like in this month, therehas been so much transformation
and realization and I honestlythink that candle burning that
ring into my altar and explodingthat rose quartz was a sign
(44:24):
that this is what was.
This is going to be a year ofmajor transformation.
So you know, I think asbeginner witches, we can be
really hard on ourselves likethat.
We're not doing things right,and I know that for me, that's
exactly what I was doing in thatmoment and now I look back on
it and I'm like I am so gladthat that happened, because it
literally was like the start ofsomething kind of amazing.
(44:46):
So I don't know if that storyis helpful to anybody, but I
just thought that was funny.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Also, be careful of your candles fool to anybody,
but I just thought that wasfunny.
Also, be careful of yourcandles, no, I think.
Well, I also think about thesymbolism of, like rose, quartz,
right, it's so deeply tied withthe heart chakra so it's like
explosive change, heart led,which is exactly what you're
doing in your work and doing inyour homeschooling and doing
your own life.
It's all like heart led.
So, no, I think that's, that'samazing and that is true.
(45:13):
Like, yes, please always becareful with your candles, but I
always read the candle.
The candle goes out why you knowif there's not like someone
blowing on it, or let me look athow the glass burned, or you
know it, definitely somethingexplodes.
That's something you shouldlike find out why, and sometimes
, like you said, you don't knowreally why.
To like a while later.
(45:33):
But always take note.
Right, that's the lesson inthat like, do it with intention,
always take note and trust.
Trust that it's how it shouldbe.
Right, right, absolutely.
Yeah Well, thank you so muchfor chatting with me.
I appreciate your time andenergy.
And yeah, please, we can findCaroline at
(45:54):
wildhomepodcastingcom.
Check her out.
I'll put links here on theYouTube video and you can also
go to the podcast website forher links as well.
But I really enjoyed chattingwith you and I thank you.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Thank you so much.
I really enjoyed sharing today.
This meant a lot.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
I hope you enjoyed my chat with Caroline Hull today
and you can find her at WildHome Podcasting on Instagram or
wildhomepodcastingcom to connectwith her and learn a little bit
more about her.
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