A Spirited Competition, Rivalries, and Learning Temperance

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SPEAKER_04 (00:00):
Anytime you let the game or an outcome of a game

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dictate and change who you are,I think that's something that
you gotta really be honest with.

SPEAKER_03 (00:15):
Welcome to the Created to Be podcast.
We're so excited to have Dariusback with us this week.
What's up, Doc?
What's up?
I'm glad to be back.
And of course, Justin's here.

SPEAKER_05 (00:25):
Here I am.

SPEAKER_03 (00:26):
Yes.
We're gonna be probablymainstays.
We're so excited to have somepersonality back, though.

SPEAKER_04 (00:31):
We can marriage, marriage.
Yeah.
Stuck with me.

SPEAKER_03 (00:33):
Yeah.
We uh tried to hold our own lastweek, but um, we're missing
Brandy again this week.
But Darius, we're glad you'reback.
I don't know that people knowall that you do.
So I thought maybe if you wantto share where you were, what
you were up to.

SPEAKER_01 (00:47):
Okay, so I uh I do a pretty um good bit of things.
I was in Detroit, Michigan.
Um I had to uh sing, uh, andSantana was praying at a
conference.
And so we were both thereserving.
Um, and it's always good to getget away.
You know, I did miss thepodcast, so uh that was a little

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something, you know, I wasmissing, but uh it is good to
get away, uh to get away fromhome a little bit to kind of
explore.
And then also we got manyfriends and family uh that was
in Detroit.
So that was a great to kind ofget away and see them and just,
you know, for a small time andthen get back, you know, to the
regular scheduled program.

SPEAKER_03 (01:28):
Yeah.
So what else do you you are ayouth pastor?

SPEAKER_01 (01:32):
So I'm a youth pastor.
I'm a uh insurance broker, afinancial consultant, um, then
of course chapeling with thebasketball team.
Um, I'm also a um is a youthdirector over the um young
people's uh department of thechurches that I uh we're part
of, and that's that consists ofchurches in Tennessee, uh

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Mississippi, and Louisiana.
Like I'm over I'm the youthdirector over all of that.
So uh a lot of my time is givento that.
Uh plus I sing in my personaltime.
I got my own uh personalministry singing.
So on my end is in a lot ofdifferent things, but hey, um,
you know, they said too much isgiven, much is required, you

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know, and I wanna I wanna live,you know, and so I'm excited
about all the things I get todo.

SPEAKER_03 (02:19):
Yeah, so you bring a lot of interesting stories and
experience to FCA here.
And some people may not know,but within FCA, as far as staff
is concerned, just becausesomeone's on staff doesn't
necessarily mean that they'refull-time.
So we have a variety of rolesthat people um can play and
engage with, and that's onething that's been great.
Over the past few years, theyadded an ambassador position,

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which means someone that canwork, you know, what, 10 hours
or less a week.

SPEAKER_05 (02:44):
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (02:45):
And so that's been able, we've been able to utilize
that position to bring somepeople on board.
So we have ambassadors,part-time staff, and full-time
staff, interns, wide variety.

SPEAKER_01 (02:56):
And I want this work.
I wanted to kind of plug this inbecause um I was doing a lot of
those things before I became auh a partner uh and a server
with FCA.
And I remember praying about uhsome more open doors uh to be
able to minister, to be able toconnect, to be able to grow.
And FCA provided me thatopportunity.

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Um, just being able to workhere, the experiences.
Uh, and you know, I was agraduate of Mississippi State,
so uh it's such a great honorfor me to be able to come and
serve where I graduated from,where I met my wife, uh, and to
talk about the Lord, thecommunity, you know, Christ.
That's just it has beensomething that's been so
refreshing, uh rejuvenating.

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Uh a lot of things that I'vegotten here.
It's amazing because things I'vegotten here have helped me at
home.
And then some things at homehave kind of helped me while I'm
here.
So uh literally, like thescripture says, all things have
worked together for good.
Yeah, and so I'm just glad tobe, you know, a part of working
with what you all are doing.

SPEAKER_03 (03:55):
Yeah, we're excited to have Darius.
Glad you're here, man.
Yeah, so we can talk a littlebit about what happened this
past week.
Now, again, we record on umThursdays normally, and then it
comes out on Tuesdays.
And so the timing of things willwe'll by the time this comes
out, we'll have had the openmic, but we haven't had it yet.
So we anticipate that at thehuddle, and that'll be a great

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time.
And we did get to talk to someof the students just about why
we share stories.
So we're we'll be sharing moreof that feedback and what people
have taken and how they've grownin FCA this semester on the next
episode.
Um, but we did have a veryspirited huddle this past week.

SPEAKER_04 (04:33):
Yeah, spirited is a good word for it.
Very uh competitive Jeopardygame.
Yes.
I'm almost some pizza.
Um, mainly track uh took up mostof the group because a lot of
other teams went home.
Track practices a lot, and sothey happen to still be around,
and we're real glad they were.
Um very intense team.

SPEAKER_03 (04:51):
We're gonna talk about pretty much the topic of
the whole episode today isrivalries.
I mean, that's gonna be thestretch time, but also kind of
stay in that vein for just ourconverse whole conversation
today.
And we might have generated somerivalries in the room on Monday
night because Ben Murray withTrack got on a roll.
Did and they were gettingaccused that their team was

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getting accused of answeringlike the questions because they
were Googling them, but Ben wasjust answering them.

SPEAKER_04 (05:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (05:20):
So that that got, but they started way down in
Jeopardy.
They they missed a fewquestions, so they were really
far down.
And Justin kept having remindeveryone, this is a long game.
It's a long game.
And they ended up winning.
And Andrew Carlisle, I knewbased on the question, the final
Jeopardy question, I knew beforewe went into the huddle there's

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one guy that's gonna know this.
And if he whoever's whoeverdrafts Andrew on their team will
get this question right.
And Andrew did not disappoint.
No, he didn't.
What was the question, Justin?
Maybe for the audience, it wasCity Egg Bowl 2013.

SPEAKER_04 (05:53):
2015, which this receiver, I think, had 10
receptions and 144 yards.

SPEAKER_01 (06:00):
Do you know?

SPEAKER_04 (06:01):
2015.

SPEAKER_01 (06:02):
Won the egg bowl.
Someone said 50.
So that was around the time thatI was here as a student.
So that means Dak Prescott wasthe quarterback, and uh was they
with images Mississippi State orOle Miss?
It was the Mississippi State.
It was Mississippi State.
It was Mississippi State.

SPEAKER_04 (06:20):
Yeah.
So in 15.
We're not gonna have an oldmiss.

SPEAKER_01 (06:23):
Okay, I just well well, I just want to be able to
verify in 15.
So we had people like uh FredBrown, we had Fred Ross, we had
Darunya Wilson, uh I thinkDonald Gray.
Or he no, he was I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 (06:41):
One of those three I just mentioned.

SPEAKER_03 (06:42):
Yeah, which one?
Who are you gonna go with?

SPEAKER_01 (06:46):
I'm gonna say this.
I'm going between how much areyou wagering?
No.
I'm going between Darunya Wilsonand Fred Ross because Ross was
always a which one?
I'm gonna say Fred Ross.

SPEAKER_03 (06:59):
You got it.
I did.
Yeah, nice job.
You know, it's funny.
It's another team put Darunya.

SPEAKER_01 (07:05):
Yeah, yeah.
So they both had good guesses.
Because both of them, I well,when I was here, they was like
some of the main guys receiving,you know.

SPEAKER_03 (07:14):
So that was Final Jeopardy.
So we knew because Andrew.
T for 144.

SPEAKER_04 (07:20):
Yeah, I had a good day.
Big day.
Yeah, that's a lot of catch-ups.

SPEAKER_03 (07:23):
But we knew whoever had Andrew.
Oh, he was still off.
Like he's gonna know this.
And so he was pumped.
I was so pumped that it playedout that way, but it happened to
be the track group that BenMurray had been answering
questions and then Andrew.
So it was a So Andrew was onBST?
Yes.
Oh, yeah.
So they just they took it.
But if he had been on anotherteam, it would have been
dramatic because it would havestolen the whole thing.
Wow.

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But yeah, they um talk aboutlearning.
Uh, we learned a lot.
You know, we have Shay andJeremiah serve that team, so we
hear from them just how spiritedtheir growth room meetings are.

SPEAKER_04 (07:56):
The unique thing about track, and um this is
coming from a baseballperspective, but then I've been
told this before.
Track is multiple families inone big team.
And so you have all thesedifferent position groups.
You've got sprinters, you gotjumpers, you got throwers, you
got middle distance, you gotlong distance, you got all these
different, you know, and thenyou got the hept athletes and
the pole vaulters, you know, yougot or dick athletes, all of

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them.
And so they're all in kind ofthese different groups and they
all train in different groupsmost of the time.
And so when they get together inthe meets, it's like a family
reunion.
Right, yeah.
And so it's just so manydifferent families within the
big family.
And uh so it's a lot of fun whenyou get them together in the
growth room, as I know, likethat as well.
Um anyway, it's just a veryunique team.

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So I felt like any other team.

SPEAKER_03 (08:41):
So I felt like we got to step into their world,
like them all mainly them beingthe one to show up on Monday
night and like host them.

SPEAKER_04 (08:48):
So it is very and then with track you throw in the
world aspect too.
You have people from alldifferent countries.

SPEAKER_03 (08:52):
So it's just it's what's his name that said that
one of the questions was abillion views about like a
billion.
It was it was nick.

SPEAKER_04 (08:59):
Yeah, he said a million.

SPEAKER_03 (09:00):
And then we we were hard on him, Darius.
We were like, if you don't saywhat is or if you don't like one
of the teams, the answer wasPsalm 23, 1.
It was like what verse and theysaid, Poor our son Eli was on
Jeremiah's team, and he justrepeated Jeremiah and said Psalm
23, and we had to, and Justinhad to look at him and be like,
No, and it was rough, and so butI mean that's and then I think

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one of the things that weunderestimate is these people
are competitors.

SPEAKER_01 (09:29):
Oh so because they're competitors, it's like
you know, some people when theythey don't want to lose at
anything.
So there's I mean they wereplaying for a bag.
But but it's it's it's the youknow what I'm learning, it's the
thrill of being able to say, Ibeat you.

SPEAKER_03 (09:46):
That's right.

SPEAKER_01 (09:47):
Like that's a good segue, Darius.
I mean that on purpose.
No, it's it's the thrill ofsaying I won.
Like I I I know people, it youdon't want to play them in
anything.
Like, and and me, I'm I'm bad.
Because if I win, I won't playyou again.
I make you I make you sit in thefeeling of defeat.

SPEAKER_03 (10:09):
For as long as possible.
For as long as possible.
Okay, let me ask this.
Did either one of you have likea childhood rivalry with your
friend that you competed withlike that?

SPEAKER_01 (10:20):
I had one guy, so I have to give you the backstory.
So where I went to Shannon HighSchool at the time, it was three
middle schools to make up onehigh school.
So I was not planning on playingfootball.
Look how small I am.
I'm like, but what happened?
I was already going to be on thebasketball team.

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That was that was already agiven.
But all of my friends playedwent to play football, and then
I found out they was doing aninth grade team, which I knew
the people in my grade at theother two schools, so I'm gonna
go try out.
I tried for the team and make itas a wide receiver.
It was a guy that was a widereceiver like me, short.
We was literally short glasses.

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But the difference was themiddle school team, he went to
Shannon Middle School and theyran the same offense as Shannon
High School.
So where I'm having to learn theplays, he already knows them.
And we used to compete.
I would be so mad because I'mlike, he's not better than me.
But because he knows the plays,and you know how we get into

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this, you second string, I'mfirst string.
And so one day the coach uh hemade us hit up against each
other.
And I hit him so hard.
I mean, I put all of my I putall of my strength.
I hit him so hard I broke myshoulder pads.
Like it caused the the the thestrap to break.

SPEAKER_05 (11:48):
Wow.

SPEAKER_01 (11:49):
And but it was such a collision and we were so
small, the coach said, get upand run it again.
Y'all need to see how they arerunning.
He wanted everybody.
So the next time though, he letthe guy hit me and he Yeah, he
laid it to me.
So we we literally had to goagainst each other in the
Oklahoma drill like four times,and he became a little rivalry

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for me.
Like was this a known rivalryinside your No, we both knew.
Like he knew and I knew.
Were you cool off the field?
Or y'all were What's crazy is umhe ended up becoming one of my
best friends.
Yeah.
He ended up becoming one of mybest friends, and to this day we
still talk.
Um I mean, it's is I it'samazing how those things kind of

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start off.
Um, but but that was a personal,that was a personal ride because
I did not like him.
And then, you know, we small, soyou got the little man syndrome,
you sizing each other up, youknow, and uh and when you're
small, you always look forsomebody that's your size.
Because every time you'replaying, you the smallest one.
Then you finally, okay, I I knowthis is who I'm gonna guard,

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this is who I'm going against.
And uh, but he he ended up, heactually kept playing football.
That was his more of his thing.
I I was a basketball player, soI ended up stopping playing, but
we became best of friends.
But that was he was a rivalryfor me.
Like we knew, like when I seeyou or when you see me, you
know, we want to outdo eachother.
But what about you, Jess?

SPEAKER_04 (13:14):
No, I I think growing up it was just my
brother.
Yeah.
You know, 10-year agedifference, so like big gap
there.
But I always wanted to be Jason.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was younger, which is part ofthe reason why I became so
competitive, I think, is becauseI was trying to get after him.
And I also had a neighborhoodfriend who was a little bit
older than me named Bubba.
Bubba Dobbs.
Of course you got it.
And he was also left-handed.

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And um, but Bubba was livedright down the street, and so he
would come and play.
And um, yeah, I n I I couldn'tbeat Bubba a whole lot at
either, but maybe a wiffle ballin the bag occasionally.
But yeah, just being playingagainst people that were older
than me, I think kind of stirredsome things.
I think once I got further up,it was more such more of a team
thing.
Like I had to win my position onthe team.

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So like you have some of thoselike trying to beat that person,
but uh it was so much more of ateam thing.
I didn't think about personalrobberies maybe in high school
and college.

SPEAKER_03 (14:05):
What's your story about not in front of Bubba?

SPEAKER_04 (14:07):
Oh god, okay, so growing up I lost to Bubba in
the front yard.
We were playing football,something, and oh, I wasn't real
happy about it.
So I got the ball and I threw itat Bubba.
Just threw it at him.
I was mad when he wasn'tlooking.
And uh it didn't hurt him atall.
Um because it hit him, but he'slike, whatever.
My dad saw it.

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My dad was working in the yard,working on the hydrangea bushes
or something.
He proceeds to see that andstarts ripping his belt off and
just starts smoking me.
And I'm like, Dad, I'm like, notin front of Bubba.
And uh yeah, very uh teachablemoment um for me.

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Yeah, so not in front of Bubba.

SPEAKER_03 (14:51):
Not in front of Bubba.

SPEAKER_04 (14:52):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (14:53):
I I was remembering that I ran cross country in high
school and I kind of justdiscovered I could run.
Like my sister needed to getfaster for basketball and had
gotten some track workouts.
So she was a few years olderthan me.
So in middle school, I just wentand did the track workouts with
her one summer.
So then when cross-countryseason rolled around, normally
basketball for whatever reasonhad to always run cross country.
And so I just was like winningsome stuff, you know.

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So I was like, oh, cool, I canrun.
Well, there was this reallygood, like always winning
district, moving on a runner ina town in our like rivalry town,
Justin knows these towns.
But I was in Bridgeport, Texasat the time, and this was
Decatur.
And I would compare likeBridgeport feels like
Mississippi State, and Decaturfeels like Ole Miss.

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Like it's just that kind ofdifferences.
And I beat her at one of a race,and I was just like shocked.
But I don't think she ever feltlike I was a rival, but it was
like I in my head, she was arival, you know?
Yeah, yeah.
Um, and I was younger, I wasmuch younger than her.
So I was very shocked that Ibeat her.
But there was always people on,you know, either it was
cross-country, like I moved to anew town, and there was a girl

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that was like the person thatwon on that team and always
placed first.
And I competed and challengedher and ended up becoming the
top runner.
And so you have these like, youknow, they not might not be
outspoken, but you have thepeople like you were saying, you
kind of like size up, like,okay, we're about right there.
And then, but it does make youbetter.
I mean, if you if you let itmake you better, you know,

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because you can, you know,challenge each other and
practice things like that.

SPEAKER_01 (16:24):
Well, I think like with you saying that, now I had
uh I did have some, so I'm I'mjust gonna say this.
I was basketball was my thing.
Like from the time I startedwatching it, it was it.
I was so in love withbasketball, and my dad, when I
was like five or six, my dad'sfriend was the coach of Shannon

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High School.
He told my dad, no, I was likefour, he told my dad to give me
a regular size basketball.
Because you know when you kids,you you play with the smaller
one, he told him to give me aregular size, he said because
he'll handle it better.
So by the time I was seven oreight, I could dribble a ball
like uh an older person.
So I say that because basketballwas my thing.
The only thing I did was playbasketball.

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I didn't learn how to ride abike just until I was 13.

SPEAKER_00 (17:12):
Why?

SPEAKER_01 (17:13):
Because all I did was play basketball.
And the only reason why Ilearned how to ride a bike,
because they was playingbasketball somewhere where I
couldn't walk.

SPEAKER_03 (17:21):
So you were motivated.

SPEAKER_01 (17:23):
Got motivated.
Mama, I need a bike.
I'm out there at 13, my dadtrying to help me to learn to
ride a bike at 13.
Oh, people laughing at me, but Iwas falling, but I was motivated
because I wanted to go playbasketball.
So I say that.
Show up to the court, but justneed to be.
Exactly.
And so, uh, but I say thatbecause it was one guy that was

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my cousin.
Everybody was talking about howgood he was.
I never saw him.
But my dad was like, that's yourcousin.
And it was like a movie.
One day I'm over uh my godmom'shouse and I'm just out there
dribbling a ball, justdribbling.
And I see this kid come up,about my age.
I can tell he's he's my age, buthe's taller, got braids in his

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hair.
Look, he comes up doing the samething that I'm doing.
He's dribbling, and we come tomeet each other, and I'm like,
so what's up?
Who are you?
What's your name?
You know, as kids.
And he told me who he was, andhe's this guy I've been hearing
about.
So soon I see him, I'm like,okay, I'm I'm I'm checking
about.
I got to.
And so it's kind of like yousaid though, it's an inner

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competition.
And so in middle school, we endup having to play them.
Him, the because he was one ofthe middle schools that made up
once we got to high school.
And I heard from somebody thathe was averaging like 20 points
a game.
And I said, I got to outdo that.
So when I I I became a jugger, Iwas, I was, and then it helped

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me because my team wasn't thatgood.
So I could shoot as much as Iwanted.
But I I ended up averaging like23 points a game, but I just
wanted to outdo him.
Like it was an inner uhcompetition.
And he now, but as we got older,he he just continued to grow and
see, and he went on to play incollege.
But it's like what you weresaying, sometimes it's that

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inner motivation of what someoneelse that you know that, okay, I
know they're gonna show up andbe their best self.
I have to outdo that.
And that it motivated me to tryto become as best as I could,
you know, as I could be.

SPEAKER_03 (19:18):
Yeah.
We're gonna get into more aboutrivalries in this stretch time,
but one of the games that standsout to me that was kind of like
that unspoken, outdo each othermoment that I've seen in my time
at Mississippi State was acouple years ago when we played
Kentucky, which would be JoshHubbard's freshman year, I
believe.
And Reed Shepard was playing forKentucky at the time.

SPEAKER_05 (19:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (19:41):
And it was such a but Reed would make a shot, Josh
would make a shot.
Like you, I I didn't realizeuntil further into the game.
I was like, this is really aboutthem.
Like this is and so after thegame, you know, unfortunately,
I'm pretty sure Reed Shepard hitthe winning shot.
He did.
Like Josh made a shot to put usahead, and then Reed came out.

SPEAKER_04 (20:01):
There's very little time left.

SPEAKER_03 (20:02):
Yeah, it was crazy.
No rebound.
We would have got the reboundagain.
Man, it was tough.
And I was I was motivated.
I mean, Justin was out of townand I hauled all the kids to the
game.
I was like, we are going towatch Kentucky.
So we thought it was, you know,we thought it was ours after
that shot.
We went crazy.
Damn.
But afterwards on Instagram,there was a really cool exchange
between Reed and Josh on socialmedia.

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And so I just thought this is agood example of, you know,
clearly on the court.
They weren't being nasty to eachother, but you could tell they
were kind of sparring, you know.
And then afterwards, just therespect between the two.
I like that.

SPEAKER_04 (20:39):
They both had like 30 plus.

SPEAKER_01 (20:40):
Oh, it was crazy.
I've seen Josh do that a coupletimes though.
Um, I don't know if you rememberlast year, it was last year when
we played Alabama and Searscame.
And Sears is like this preseasonplayer of the year, and Josh
goes out for 38.

SPEAKER_03 (20:56):
And you could just tell he had uh a little chip.

SPEAKER_01 (21:01):
Yeah, you could just tell he got a look in his eye.
He got that chip on hisshoulder.
And I feel like uh because he hedid it a few weeks ago when we
played Kansas State, becauseKansas State has a guy,
Haggerty.

SPEAKER_04 (21:12):
Haggerty, and so was at Memphis.
He was at Memphis.
I was gonna mention that.

SPEAKER_01 (21:16):
Yeah, he was at Memphis, and this year he's at
Kansas State, but you couldtell, like it got to one point
during the game, Haggerty goesdown, scores, Josh comes down,
scores.
Right.
Yeah, Haggerty goes down,scores, Josh goes down and
scores.
It's like you could tell, it'slike that they're not saying
nothing.
Right.
But it's like But you're pickingup on the story.

SPEAKER_04 (21:37):
Yeah, it's like we see what's going on.
Well, they were going at it, andJosh, and we had a better game
as a team beat Memphis.
Right.
This game, Kansas State had amuch better game than we did.
Haggerty had like 38.
So well in Haggerty's mind, Igot I got covered by the game.

SPEAKER_01 (21:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
It's good for him.
Good game for him.
It it was, you know, but is isthe to see that competitive
spirit, though, that's uh it'slike you said, the game within
the game.
Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_03 (22:02):
Yeah, and we might have a callback to that because
I think as we get to the end ofthis conversation, there are
some it's just rivalries arereally interesting.
And I think that they can bedone in a way that is fun and
competitive.
Honoring, yeah, honoring andpushing each other.
Like so, anyways, we'll get tothat.
But just wanted to mention thatabout Josh.
But yeah, the stretch time isabout that because I like as we

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said, we're recording today, butwe have a game coming up against
Olmis, and also a lot of teamshave their rival.
I mean, it's rivalry weekend.

SPEAKER_04 (22:33):
Yeah, this is in a lot of ways one of the best
weeks of football.
I mean, it's it's what you lookforward to.
Yeah.
Because uh also these games havecollege playoffs.

SPEAKER_00 (22:42):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (22:42):
Um, and then when your rival could take you out of
the college playoffconversation, it's a lot at
stake, or out of the SEC titlegame or whatever makes it.
It's a bowl game for us.
So we win, it's a lot.
There's a lot of storylines thisyear.
Man, a lot.
Every year.
Every year there's alwaysstorylines.

SPEAKER_01 (22:59):
Yeah.
I guess for us though, with whatwe've gone through the last few
years, this is probably one ofthe bigger egg polls because
last year we was not gonna makeanything.
Um, the year before that, uh didwe make anything?
Same.
It was I was gonna say, yeah,the same.
We weren't making anything.
So this year it's like you got achance to extend your season,

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you got a chance to ruin theirseason and to get the golden egg
bowl all in one.
Like just a lot on the line.
And then with the possibility ofwe don't know what Lane Kivan is
gonna do.
So some people say you can putthe nail in the coffin.
I mean, we don't we don't know,but I think nail in the kiffin?
Look, look, that's a good one.
The nail in the kiffin.

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So, you know, I think uh I thinkit's it's it's something to uh
to kind of look forward to andit's it can be exciting.
I was gonna ask you justin uhbeing a and you too, Bethany.
I can ask both of y'all.
Being a former athlete inbaseball and you with
basketball, how how big was itto beat Ole Miss?

SPEAKER_03 (24:02):
Was it was that a I would I would tell you a story
from my freshman year.
I call the the the my freshmanyear was like the dark ages in
women's basketball because wewere in between uh Tan White and
Latoya Thomas have graduated,and then Mary Catherine Govereau
was a player that came.
I mean, there was a lot of goodplayers in between there, but
just players that really tookthe team on their back.
And anyway, so I was in thatspace in between.

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So we were kind of in that likerebuilding year.
We only won six games myfreshman year, one conference
game.
Ouch.
But it was the win was againstOld Miss at Old Miss.
Oh, so if you're gonna win onegame to win SEC when you're
struggling, yeah.
So, but I came from Texas, so Ihad to learn that Mississippi

(24:48):
State didn't like Old Miss.
So it's it was kind of like,okay, what's the big deal?
I mean, my my my dad went toTexas AM, and so and he's not a
super alumni fan.
I mean, now he just likes topick at me because SEC with AM
and Mississippi State in thesame conference now.
Like I feel like he cares alittle bit more about AM just to
bother me.

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But anyway, so I didn't reallygrow up with a lot of rivalry
talk or you know, as far ascollege foot college sports, but
Justin probably could answer alittle bit more because you came
in with more of all of that.

SPEAKER_04 (25:20):
Yeah, it was mainly the fan bases were tough.
Like playing in Oxford, it's notlike I mean you don't want to go
play you don't get excited aboutplaying at the on the road
necessarily.
But going to Oxford, just it wasjust not the most pleasant place
at times.
I didn't mind pitching in it.
I liked pitching it, and I likedpitching away just because I
liked having the opportunity toget the crowd quiet and not in

(25:43):
the game.
You know, I like that satisfyingfueled me a bit.
It is satisfying.
Um at the same time, I thinkwhat fueled it is it's because
um a lot of us knew each other,and so a lot of us got recruited
by both.
Yeah.
And some wanted to come oneplace, some wanted to go the
other, you know, like but itjust panned out this way.
And so you're battling forstate.

(26:05):
No, I did not want to.
That's what you are that is thatwhat you're implying?
There are others that wanted tocome to state that end up going
to Old Miss.
And like, let me be clear.
Maybe vice versa.
I'm not sure.
Um, I didn't really talk to manyof the guys that go, but um
anyway, yeah, I think thatfueled it as well.
And then yeah, I mean it's niceto beat them.
It is definitely nice to beatthem, and in baseball, but

(26:26):
there's so many as well inbaseball.
So you know, you wanna you needto beat them to help you in your
own season and your own statusto hopefully host well.

SPEAKER_01 (26:36):
I'll tell y'all this as a fan who was not actually a
part of the field of play, butI'm gonna tell y'all this
growing up in a house like Igrew up, with a family like I
grew up, you do not want to loseto them in anything.
In anything.
Yeah.
I you know, I used to now I'mgonna tell you this.

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I used to be a person once Iwould support old men as long as
they were not playingMississippi State until they
start thinking they're bluebuds, they're better than
everybody.
It got to the point where it'slike, okay, I don't want you to
win anything.
Not against us.

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I don't care if you're playingCitadel, I don't care if you're
playing West Point High School,I don't want you to win in
anything.
And see what the place I work.
Yesterday we had ourThanksgiving dinner.
We always try to do a companyThanksgiving dinner.
I rolled in there with myMississippi State sweater on
with my Mississippi State hat,and I wanted them to fully

(27:40):
understand this is bone week.
Because you know, our MinniePrice Harrington works with me.
So when she shows up, yeah, sheworks with me.
So when she shows up, I wantedher to understand and know where
we who we are, what werepresenting, and let her
understand that I don't carethat you play that O Miss or

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none of those plays.
It's about Mississippi Stateover here.

SPEAKER_03 (28:04):
That's so cute.
She's really good.
She had a very interesting typeof basketball.

SPEAKER_01 (28:08):
Yeah, she's great.
And I want to say that she is agreat person, though.
I I I mean, was a great hooper,but also a great person.

SPEAKER_04 (28:14):
Yeah, I saw a lot of shots going.
I've softened up a bit now.
Yeah.
Well, look, it's because of FCA.
Uh maybe.
I yeah, I mean staff over there.
I love those guys.
And I, you know, we are alwayssupporting each other in every
way and supporting the coaches.

SPEAKER_00 (28:29):
And so Pray for me, I ain't there yet.

SPEAKER_04 (28:32):
Yeah, well I'm not there yet.
I get it.
As a player now, I wanted themto lose at everything.

SPEAKER_00 (28:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (28:37):
But then even beyond a few years, I wanted them to
lose at everything.
I think now I'm just I'm and youknow what?
And you could it all comes downto the coaches too.
Coaches can fuel this thing andturn it south either way.
So like Dan Mullen.
Dan fueled that thing.
It was a good place.
And so yeah, and so then you gotthe you know, them lifting their

(28:57):
leg, type of egg bowl, all thatstuff, like their peeing and
whatever, like a dog pen.
And so like that fueled thingsby because Mullen fueled stuff,
and so it really wasn't a itwasn't in a the rivalry was not
in a really good space duringthat time.
It was pretty bitter.
I feel like now Leech, Leech andKiffen had such a respectable
relationship, it kind ofmellowed out to be more

(29:20):
respectful, um, more respectful.
But yeah, the fan bases arestill rough on those.

SPEAKER_03 (29:25):
I mean, I heard someone tell me the other day
they will not take.
No, it's like I will like justhow things could pan out or like
how people just don't act right,you know, like fans, I think.

SPEAKER_01 (29:38):
Yeah, but but I I think when now this is me.
I just felt like the egg bowlwas better when it was intense.
Like the the niceness of it withthe like you was talking about
Legion Lane.
I I I don't I feel like thattook the because I feel like it
took some of that fire awaybecause it's like that's what
added to the antics and added to

SPEAKER_04 (30:00):
the you know I mean and and now it's like uh I don't
like feeling like uh I do likethe underdog mentality because I
always was an underdog so I butI don't like that little engine
that could hope we no like goout let's go out no you go no
and and and I'm saying after thegame we can shake hands we can

(30:22):
kumbaya but all of the lettingit be known we don't like them
we can't stand in them well andI I like that because to me
that's what makes a rivalry arivalry yes I get this is the
this is the menace to everyoneof just the fighting not for the
fights and the show I don't wantthe no I don't want the fights
but there's been there's a lotof fights during that era a lot

(30:43):
of fights so that's I don't likethe fights but I I I don't mind
a little getting each othersmelling each other's breath and
and kind of just kind of yeahI'm butting down fights a little
rough I mean keep hands and feetand all other objects to you I
mean Fitzgerald's ankle now seethat I don't like that see

(31:03):
people could look at that and belike it was intentional I don't
know it looks fucking it looksfucking I'm not gonna say that
for the guy I don't know thatfor sure but it looked a little
rough and I don't like that kindof stuff you know I don't that's
the kind of stuff I don't wantyou know when let's get after it
let's go back and forth let'shave some intense let's have
some battles let's like getafter it um but I don't like the
Chippy and the Bush league stuffand then another thing element

(31:26):
that's added I don't think isyou said something earlier that
we don't have as much today.

SPEAKER_01 (31:31):
A lot of the guys were from Mississippi.
That's what I was saying this isthe least actually Mississippi
egg bowl maybe ever from theplayers right yeah and then then
you know it's different becausewhen I was here it was unheard
of criminal for a player totransfer from Mississippi State

(31:53):
and go to O Miss or vice versa.
But now it's natural it's likeit's normal.
I mean and it's not just with usit's with anybody that has
rivalries you know people uhBrendan Thompson who's with us
he started out at Texas then hetransfers to Oklahoma which is a
great big time rival and thenhe's now with us like so I'm

(32:14):
saying that's I feel like thatalso takes some of the fuel out
of it because it's like we'regonna go out the street in the
past you were looking out theexact numbers I've seen some
numbers but half the team usedto be for Mississippi for both
teams just about now we're atlike a third.

SPEAKER_04 (32:27):
Yeah or less maybe I think it's in the 30s this year.
It's 33 and 34 I think for eachteam that's crazy.
Yeah.
In the past it was more closerin the 50s.
So yeah that changes things.
So you're talking about peoplethat grew up watching this they
get it.
Yeah.
All right being Mississippi kidsand so that adds fuel to it.
So I can I can even say thatfrom the baseball perspective.

(32:49):
This is a different one playingagainst USM okay USM is not
necessarily a rival but it's aMississippian state game that is
rough.
These guys most of them at thetime last year didn't know much
about from Mississippi.
They didn't realize going to USMand playing baseball was going
to be so intense.
They don't like us this iscrazy.

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And I'm like yeah they don'tlike because I don't say it's
from USM most of them wanted tocome up here and they didn't and
they were at USM nothing wrongwith USM I'm not speaking down
to USM I've got go go goldeneagles all right to the top
whatever um so in all that butthey didn't realize they'd be so
hateful.
Yeah and I'm like guys this isin state you don't get this like

(33:33):
they just don't gr they don'tgrab they they don't they don't
grasp it.
And so yeah I'll get to thepoint without as many
Mississippi people it's just notnot good for the rivalry.

SPEAKER_03 (33:43):
I've heard that with different sports that players
are having to explain to otherplayers that have transferred in
why this is such a big deal.
You know so even if the playerschange the fans kind of stay the
same.
So the fans are carrying thefans dictate the rivalry and
then you have a team that mightcome out that might not be
prepared or take it as seriouslyand then that's disappointing to

(34:04):
the fans.
So there's like a whole you knowthat's a lot going on but okay
so I looked up some research ofsorts about rivalry games.
And so here's a definition okaya competition between two teams
or schools that have alongstanding history of intense
emotional and often traditionfilled matchups.
It's more than just a regulargame.

(34:25):
That's why everybody gets sohyped up for it there's history
to it um there's high stakes umeven if you know nothing else
was on the line this weekendthere would still be bragging
rights and we do have a trophyyou know most of these rivalry
games have trophies MichiganOhio State being one of those
Ryan Day has not beat Michiganthey play they think he's lost
the last four they were thinkingabout five Ryan Day but he wins

(34:50):
a national championship lastyear.

SPEAKER_04 (34:51):
So I'm assuming his job is secure right but there is
the pressure again of you havenot beaten Michigan in four,
maybe five times right now.

SPEAKER_03 (34:58):
Like the fans care about that.

SPEAKER_04 (35:00):
The fans care about that up there in a massive way.

SPEAKER_03 (35:03):
So you have emotional energy involved you
have the tradition and then youhave the identity which is so
interesting to me because Iguess you know depending on
where you grew up and what'simportant to your family and the
values that you have likethere's an article that talks
about rivalries and how peoplewant to feel up with these
rivalries that they feel part ofsomething bigger like that

(35:24):
there's a self-esteem that theyhave that builds their
self-esteem to be part of thislarger group that can't stand
these other people in this otherprogram.
So anyway that's part of it umbut do y'all know you might have
already looked at the notes butdo you know the oldest college
rivalry?

SPEAKER_04 (35:44):
The oldest was one of the it's gotta be one of the
Ivy leagues so it's gotta be uhYale Harvard Yale Princeton
something I don't know is it oldis who been playing since
forever Justin was right it wasYale Princeton which is kind of

(36:10):
like the not necessarilydocumented one and then Harvard
Yale in 1875.

SPEAKER_03 (36:16):
Eight Okay back in the day one of the oldest and
most well known back in the day.
Apparently it had it's justcalled the game.
I also noticed that I looked upsome we'll get into this in a
little bit but like egg bowlhighlights over the years and
they have like I wanted to goback and forth and see if y'all

(36:37):
recognize what people startterming things off of these
games.
Like we talked about the AuburnAlabama game and how it was
called the what's Kick Six.
That's related titles and theguy ran it back.
Yeah yeah yeah yeah that'sAuburn I remember that one of
the questions I had was what isthe oldest form of a rivalry?

(37:00):
Like normally if you Google thiscollege football is going to
come up but when did peoplefigure out like this is a thing
to compete?
So can you think of a sportingevent that might have initiated
all this or a type of sportmaybe not sporting events.

SPEAKER_04 (37:14):
Well I think it's sport you go back to the
original you got you got theOlympics and where that came
from in the whole Rome piece.
I'm assuming it started backsometime back then.

SPEAKER_03 (37:24):
Okay.
And specific do you have aspecific idea of what it might
have been what the competitionmight have been well I mean they
did Rome and chariots races.

SPEAKER_04 (37:39):
Just it's on point today.
But then you know you had the Idon't know was that is that it's
chariot racing clubs in theRoman Empire.

SPEAKER_01 (37:49):
Went to go what?
Okay did you read my notes?
Or were you born in 1875?

SPEAKER_03 (37:56):
Well Rome was way more way more okay I did want to
ask y'all some questions realquick about uh in just a second
date you have a date for that itjust says it just says that's
the earliest well I mean I'mjust thinking that's what we
know the Coliseum and all that.

SPEAKER_04 (38:09):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (38:10):
Like USA and Canada and cricket in 1853 was another
one.
Yeah so that was anothercricket.
Okay one of the things that Ididn't realize about rivalries
is that there can be a lot perteam.
Like normally I always think instate but when we were watching
Arkansas and Texas the otherday, Jesse Palmer and Joe

(38:31):
Tessator were the commentatorsand they had the camera on them.
And I thought it was funnybecause I mean I don't know I'm
not there but I felt like Joegave Jesse a very odd look when
Jesse said this is one of theoldest rivalries in college
football or something or moststoried or whatever.
And I even kind of had this whyin the world did he just say
that but one of the qualifiersfor rivalry that I learned is

(38:52):
how often they play each other.
Like that's kind of a qualifierof is this a rivalry or not?
So can can you I keep doingguessing questions because I'm
really I'm wanting to know howmany times do you think Arkansas
and Texas have met to play?
What's your ballpark guess?
Six seven six seven sixty sevenhundred and fifty times.

(39:15):
Okay eighty one times okay sosomewhere in between there but
yeah that's a little bit that'sa lot because but it's it's it's
a lot but it doesn't seem likethe Texas just came to the SEC
so they must have been inanother conference.

SPEAKER_01 (39:28):
They were in the Southwest something like that a
years ago that was the uh umcoach Hatfield Coach Hatfield
Arkansas teams Southwestconference was that before or
after leather helmets no itwasn't that that long ago okay
so here are some others um dothese sound weird to you like I

(39:51):
don't know why this AlabamaClemson is a robbery so I I'm
gonna say this I think robberiesare not just how many times they
have played there could be otheraspects like people who have
been champions because Iremember one time it was almost
like Clemson and Alabama weremeeting for either they were

(40:11):
playing in the championship orthey were you know meeting up so
I'm saying that could be threeto four years stretch.
It's kind of like whenever youbeat that person and you're like
I'm being it becomes a because Iknow Clemson for one for one
stretch they went to thechampionship like almost three
years in a row.
And so and then you have Bemmawho was winning all of those

(40:32):
championships so it's like theycould I think you can have a
rivalry in that aspect as wellit's like it's not about how
many times you have played butwhat's all at stake that's
connected to those different youknow those different teams
because besides what they havedone originally I don't see
where and why Clemson Bell willarrive.

SPEAKER_04 (40:53):
Peyton Manning there for a bit yeah that's
interesting like that playerscould kind of play so we had
Mahomes and Josh Allen a littlebit Colts Bills.

SPEAKER_03 (41:03):
Yep Bills beat him in the regular season Colts beat
him in the postseason and thenyou'd also gonna have Mahomes
and Brady because you know he hebeat him with the Buccaneers
Brady beat him with theBuccaneers and then Brady didn't
pay him with the pages did hedid he play maybe I think he did
I think he's like the first yearfreshman I think it was just

(41:23):
shocking to me to see if youGoogle this and get on Wikipedia
like there's a lot that I meanit's but you know Alabama
Arkansas and Auburn that I waskind of surprised by that I
would be like why do I care somuch?

SPEAKER_04 (41:36):
I think you go with the ones that have trophies
listed on there see I think it'slike Arkansas and LSU's a
rivalry.

SPEAKER_01 (41:42):
Yeah they'll be playing for a trophy you got
Auburn and Alabama Iron BowlMississippi State O Miss
Oklahoma Oklahoma State GeorgiaGeorgia Tech and State.

SPEAKER_03 (41:54):
That's what I They are there but then you have the
Texas and Oklahoma right I couldsee Arkansas and Texas I guess
because of state line yeah likehow did it was just so shock I
was like wait what did he justsay and didn't just mess up on
air like that's no way and thenyou Google it and you're like oh
no it's a thing.
Um so anyways that was justinteresting another interesting
thing that I found was thatTexas AM and Texas before they

(42:18):
started playing football againsteach other when they established
those schools they had verydistinct ways that they wanted
Texas to do life.
So it each school kind ofrepresented this different
vision of what Texas they wantedTexas state to be.
And so I was like wow I don'tknow that that necessarily
translates to football but justwhere maybe some of those things

(42:40):
started about pitting againsteach other was actually
potentially like a way of lifethat we do things in the state
and now it's almost like thegame is a representation of our
way is better than your way youknow or we want things.

SPEAKER_01 (42:52):
And that's kind of even when you look at the fans
they don't even look the same.
Like the way they carrythemselves Texas and them fans
and Texas fans look completelydifferent.
It's like different cultures.

SPEAKER_03 (43:06):
So it's just interesting to think like it
could go back even further tosomething where like the
university was established in astate especially obviously the
in-state robberies I don'treally get the ones that are
outside the state I'd have to dosome more on that but anyway
just some little facts aboutrivalries that I've learned as
I've researched this stuff.

SPEAKER_04 (43:25):
I wanted to ask if y'all knew some of these egg
bowl moments okay okay all rightso do you know the term feed
moncrief yeah I remember when uhwhat happened Dante moment is it
Dante Moncrief he had a greatyear he had a great he had a
couple great seasons um playedfor the Colts for a while um

(43:46):
didn't pan out super well in theNFL but it was what half very
very good um he had a great gameand they just kept throwing the
ball and so it was just kind ofthroughout the year it was feed
moncrief and then it just becamea saying yeah and then it was
bad for us because I rememberthat particular game he went off
we had Banks who was a ThorpeAward winner.

SPEAKER_01 (44:05):
Yeah yeah and it's like he couldn't even stop him
right yeah yeah it's like he'slike he made Banks look normal.

SPEAKER_03 (44:12):
Do y'all think current players and if anybody's
out there listening maybe couldcomment on this part do you
think current players check thehistory of a school that they go
to like that they care to beconnected to like how great
someone did and become someonein the record books at the
school?

SPEAKER_01 (44:27):
I feel like it's very dependent on who it is like
like when you look at FloridaI'll use Florida Tim Tebow by
himself made a lot of people sayI want to play for that and be
you get what I'm saying?
So I think it's more playerdriven um but I feel like now

(44:48):
with the things like NIL and allthose different things some
people don't even care.

SPEAKER_04 (44:52):
It's like no you know I I think too if you could
get a chance to go to somewherelike Ohio State you go okay look
at the receivers in the NFL andwhat they're doing.
Right.
That is wide receiver you yesyou go to quarterback you could
probably say oh you because theyhad so many quarterbacks out of
that except Link Riley and alittle bit forward um tight end.
Do you want to be a tight end inthe NFL go to Iowa Iowa will

(45:14):
develop you there's five or sixstarting tight ends in Iowa.
So like there's there's placesthat just pump out people
certain places Georgia half thedefense all the time from
Georgia's team a few years agowas in the NFL playing for the
Eagles and uh one of the otherteams I can't think of.
So like I mean if you think ofbeing a linebacker you think
about going to Georgia orwhatever.

SPEAKER_03 (45:35):
Yeah I I just think as people come in you know as a
everybody just moves around somuch I think that baseball here
is an an example of a programthat has a storied history but
is doing a good job toreintroduce that history to fans
and players to like cultivatethat a little bit more to make
it more of something that you'reattached to and even if you're

(45:58):
moving around to to know whereyou're at.
Right and want to be part of it.
And so I don't know I mean evenbringing back all the alumni and
stuff it's just like you hearthese names and we could be
saying all these names andpeople have no idea because
they've never I mean I didn'treally look any of that up
there's a great balance there ofliving so much in the past and
then connecting though.

SPEAKER_04 (46:17):
Yeah.
Because I think every year we'retalking about some team in the
90s for football.
Right.
You know and I think we're alllike wait to be good again like
and obviously we'll talk aboutthe DAX season forever.
But you know I I mean where it'slike all right we've we've
celebrated this team every yearfor the last 20 years.

SPEAKER_03 (46:33):
But it's also good to know where a team what the
potential is being in this placeif we haven't won consistently
but like that certain thingshappened here so that you can
know it's possible.

SPEAKER_04 (46:43):
Random story but I mean I remember Picky and we won
state championship for the firsttime in 2003 or sorry 2002 at my
high school and I feel like fromthat year on all the teams that
came after us when we got out ofthere in 2003 just were berated
of being like be like the O twoteam be like the O two team and
they haven't done anything sincethey've had a couple good teams

(47:03):
but it's just the pressure ofthe whole thing has been you
know and I think they juststopped eventually finally be
like okay stop bringing up 2002.

SPEAKER_03 (47:13):
Yeah which might be a good good topic for another
episode like how do you you knowyou know where you're at but
also how moving forward.

SPEAKER_01 (47:21):
I I mean I feel like like Justin made a great point
like wide receivers going toOhio State uh because you look
at what they've been justpumping into the league the last
five years like they they arenot just good in college they're
producing in the league.
So I do believe players actuallyfake take a you know take a look
into those things um you look atour school like a Josh Oprah

(47:44):
with basketball one thing Istarted noticing with a lot of
the recruits we were that wewere going after they kept
saying referencing him like hewas able to come in as a
freshman and Jazz trusted him toplay.
So that kind of weighs on themind I do believe that goes on a
little bit um but I do believethe money aspect has just
changed a lot of that because itgets to the point where it's

(48:07):
like most people are trying toget to the next level.

unknown (48:10):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (48:10):
Well if I can quote unquote make some form of next
level dollars I'll look past youhaven't put anybody in the you
know because I was looking atlike BYU and basketball like
they getting some of the topplayers and you think about
basketball like they always havebeen sure good but it's like you
getting top three players in theworld like in the nation so it's

(48:34):
it's one of those things I dothink people I think they're
doing a little bit of both.
I think the the the signing upthe the finding players who want
to be a part of something justpurely a part of something I
don't think you have too much ofthat.
You know I don't I don't thinkbecause you have people like a
Josh who possibly could goanywhere.

SPEAKER_03 (48:55):
Isaac Smith who possibly can go anywhere but
they're choosing to be here Ifelt like that speaks a lot
about I want to be a part ofthis I want to be a a a changer
so right yeah so okay anotherone that's on here pick and the
kick I remember the pick and thekick.

SPEAKER_01 (49:14):
What was the situation?
And I'm gonna tell you why Iremember the pick and the kick
because the quarterback I had acousin that was playing for O
Miss at the time and thequarterback went to my high
school that's when Romero threwthe interception they threw a
they threw a pass when theyshould have ran it I think and
the ball bounces off the guy'sfoot and we picked it off and
then we end up kicking the fieldgoal to win the game.

SPEAKER_04 (49:36):
It was instarful I remember that do you remember
that Romero Miller was thequarterback from Shannon he was
the quarterback right before Eliokay this was before y'all's
time but it says immaculatedeflection oh I remember it
though I I know it was before mytime but I remember watching it
Immaculate deflection okay thisis when we're going to kick the

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wind the game okay and it's ait's a routine kick it's not
that far away I don't think itwas 40 yard um it doesn't say
okay 40 mile an hour wind blowsas the ball's kicked it's in the
air it's going through theuprights the wind blows the
thing goes backwards and landsshort it's crazy it was like
almost into the uprights andthen it just goes blows it

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straight backwards so the windthe wind blew it straight back
and it did not go through theuprights should that not give us
a no a free kick no it just Idon't know I don't know what
happened there man.

SPEAKER_03 (50:31):
I just think these terms are so funny what about
Tubbs goes for two no I don'tknow though no I looked it up
but I didn't 1997 Olmus trailedby seven with just over two
minutes left but capped acomeback with a 10 yard
touchdown reception to win thegame I'm sure I was upset about
it when it was 13.

SPEAKER_04 (50:48):
Okay you mentioned this one Justin dog leg lifts oh
yeah it became a thing it and itreally bit him in the butt this
was the uh year we had the goldhelmets I think that's just what
I remember and um anyway Iforget the receiver who did it
Elijah Moore Elijah Moore theywere winning this this put him
up a touchdown oh they tied itthey was gonna they was gonna

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that was the extra point wasgonna tie it yeah the extra
point was gonna tie it they cameback they were pumped he goes
and acts like he's peeing on thefield like a dog in the end zone
they get a a penalty that movesthe field goal the extra point
back the kicker misses the extrapoint and we win that game ouch
I do remember Bo Wallacefumbling a ball too in the end
zone.

SPEAKER_01 (51:30):
Yes that saved us a game as well that's when that
was a great that was that gamehas so many storylines because
you remember Dak wasn't supposedto play Dak comes in I think the
fourth quarter scores the gamewhen it touched down the crowd
rallies behind them we go toovertime and Bo Wallace fumbles.

SPEAKER_03 (51:48):
Oh so in 2018 there was another game where we won
convincingly 35 to three Iremember you remember then oh
well no 35 to three what whatyear was it?

SPEAKER_01 (51:59):
This says 2018 sometimes the dates are wrong on
these things No no that mighthave been right I remember one
year we went to Oxford and wejust blowed the doors off but
this was about a fight thathappened afterwards.
No so that wasn't that game.
So that's why I said so Iremember two games.
So the game you're referring tois when uh we was uh fighting
them toward the end and helmetswere getting pulled do you know

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how many ejections there were?
No I don't remember.

SPEAKER_03 (52:24):
It says four four ejections ejections from the
game.

SPEAKER_01 (52:28):
Going back to that but but one of the things I do
remember about that game is oneof the players pulled Omen's
quarterback's helmet off but aMississippi State guy grabbed
the old man's quarterback andpulled him away from the crowd
where he would get hurt becauseeverybody got smeared yeah I was
like that was that was nicebecause I'm like he could have
it was gonna get bad likeeverybody got on helmets but you

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you know yeah um we talked aboutthe I think was the pass to Ross
from Nick Fitzgerald Fitzgeralddid we talk about that one?

SPEAKER_03 (52:59):
Or was that a different year?

SPEAKER_04 (53:00):
I don't know that was 15.
Because this says 2016 but myinformation was 14 so it was uh
whoever who was after Dak was itFids?

SPEAKER_03 (53:10):
Fids was after Dak.

SPEAKER_04 (53:11):
Yeah like right after Dak.

unknown (53:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (53:13):
So that's memorable and then it says upsets and fan
fantastic finishes.
The 1981 game was one of thebiggest upsets in the series
history with Mississippi rankednumber seven in Ole Miss at 36
and one um I don't know how I weshould have Googled like how
many of these games have eitherteam been ranked you know like

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how who has been more ranked inthe history of it y'all know.

SPEAKER_01 (53:38):
I think Ole Miss I often say yeah probably Ole Miss
because when they had uh Vaughnhim what's his name Vault uh
Vault Vault Hemiway yeah I thinkwhen he was the yeah they they
was just rolling yeah they wererolling yeah like in the sixties
or something yeah that's ArchManning.

SPEAKER_03 (53:53):
Okay so what do you think that why do you think that
it's enjoyable like people liketo sit around and talk about
this stuff.
Maybe guys more than girls butlike why it's memories.

SPEAKER_04 (54:02):
It's memories it got takes you back to different
moments you remember the peopleinvolved it's just a it's a
state thing it's a pride thingit's an identity thing it's all
that like you mentioned.
Yeah it just and you know it'syour side against theirs and
it's just you know it's kind oflike talking about the weather
you know you can you can justremember that yeah maybe it's
kind of a frame of referencelike you were there I was there

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you don't have to explain somuch you can just be like boom
just start sharing a story andyou already kind of upload like
well we all have moments if yougrow up in a state and you've
been a part of it you'll havemoments where you're like not
happy with the other side youknow that just kind of burns you
a little bit or moments and sothose things just kind of poke

(54:44):
at you um unless you get savedagain and then you're okay um
and you can be more at peaceabout it.

SPEAKER_01 (54:50):
But and then too I think we when you have families
that have had children to be apart of these games you know I
think about like Isaac his dadliterally played for Ole Miss
now he plays for state like whatthat home dynamic is like or
Will Rogers whose dad and familywas all pro OMS and then he

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signs for Mississippi State.
So you know I feel like a lot ofthose things and then you gotta
think what helps us is the eggbow was played on Thanksgiving.
So like you were saying familiesare around each other we're
spending time and then that waslike the nightcap you know and
um so I you know when I lookback at it you know I it's so

(55:32):
many different memorable momentsum because now I'm you know I'm
grown but I remember as a kidman that game would almost make
me cry like if you lost thatgame like run Thanksgiving mate
would it you know it's like it'slike the same people you just
got through laughing and huggingand and kumbayan with now you
don't want to talk to them nomore.

SPEAKER_04 (55:52):
Yeah you're ready you're ready to go like win or
lose it will lead you to anotherpiece of pie.

SPEAKER_01 (55:58):
Nah that's true celebration is true and mourning
cleared yes but the pie is moreenjoyable when you win that's
yeah like when you lose it'salmost like yeah is this you
know that that is it's toughespecially with where I'm from
when you're around a lot ofantagonistic people that's the
same like like like like likeyou just can't lose it's it's

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it's rub it in and they got tokeep rubbing in man now you
gotta go a whole 364 days one ofour pastors at our church is a
massive Oldness fan.
Great dude he has good he's fineintentions but when he gets up
and talks about the weekend offootball and I'm just like move
on go to the next announcementlike don't even you know go live

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over there those are the worstwe think that it would be better
if we didn't have these rivalrygames like just for some of the
bad things that it produces doesthe the I think the good
outweighs the bad yeah exactly II think the good outweighs the
bad is is because like you saidthe one of the biggest upsets
when we was no rank seventh theywas three six and one however I

(57:05):
feel like those moments you knowyou you if you remove the
rivalry you gotta think so manygreat moments that you are
moving.
Yeah so much history you know II mean with anything you're
gonna have some cuns but I don'tthink you know you should remove
a rivalry altogether becauseyou're talking about a lot of
things that man that was a partof my upbringing like I'm just

(57:27):
saying that I felt like that's apart of my life like you remove
that you know is I think we needto ask Texas and Texas AM fans.

SPEAKER_04 (57:34):
Yeah no joke that one because that was such a
staple and then they movedconferences and then they didn't
play for a while.
They didn't play for a while butnow they back playing now they
are but now there's so manyteams in the league I don't
think they're playing everyyear.

SPEAKER_01 (57:46):
Yeah maybe they get them right right right right
yeah I still don't think theylike each other but no they
don't but that's amazing becauseI you from Texas Bethany so I
was here and and I think that'slocation kind of speaks to what
we expect sometimes because I wewas like here it's like I was

(58:06):
thinking that Texas and Oklahomawas the biggest rivalry.
Like I wouldn't think TexasTexas AM was as big of a because
was promoted is the Red Rivershootout.

SPEAKER_04 (58:16):
Yeah you know and so uh I didn't know that like you
you you're teaching me somethingtoday like well I don't know if
it's a ballot conferenceconference alignments that's
changing all of that I mean withthe Pac 12 disappearance and now
you got people on the coast ofCalifornia going all the way to
the ACC.
Right what are we doing?

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And then Big 10s so now you goteast and west and the big ten
too along with the middle andthere's so many teams so they
you can't play them every year.
That's the challenging thing isso now we're we're losing a lot
of rivalries because of thisalignment stuff.
So I'm indifferent I think itbrings the worst out of people
um and I don't like that at all.

(58:59):
I do like the moments and somemoments that it produces.

SPEAKER_03 (59:02):
But then yeah you have this like you have if you
have players that seem kind ofaloof and like it's just another
game that's a littledisappointing to fans that have
been part of the history for solong that are expecting
something different and thenthey show up and it's like eh
you know so like I get theenergy and excitement.

SPEAKER_00 (59:19):
Yeah it's it's it's it's something man um I don't
have a for sure answer on thatone.

SPEAKER_01 (59:24):
I mean I do.
I do I don't want them no don'tdo don't do expect because you
gotta think I don't want to sayrivalry.

SPEAKER_04 (59:34):
I don't want to remove it at all.

SPEAKER_01 (59:36):
But it's just that does the good outweigh the bad
does the good outweigh the badwell for me I'm gonna say at a
at a Mississippi State with thechallenges that we've had over
the last few years with sportswe have needed something to kind
of You know that's a good point.
You know what I'm saying?
We we because what I'm saying isbecause we haven't been a

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consistently top tier Sportsprogram.
And it's not me being down on myhome, but I'm saying you look
forward to something tocelebrate the season with.
Yeah.
You get what I'm saying?
You got to think.
If they win Friday, Friday isgonna erase all of the games we

(01:00:17):
should have won.
We felt like we could have won.
You don't you don't even care.
Because most people would tradeall of those losses for this one
win.
Right.
As opposed to having all ofthose wins and we lose this.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:29):
So I'm saying it gives you, you know, it's I
would love to poll.
I'd probably say 99.9% ofMississippi State fans would
take all those losses and getold the playoffs.
Oh man.
What?
And then get to a bowl in thesame time.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:42):
In a heartbeat.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:43):
Oh it wouldn't even that that ain't even.
I don't even think you got topoll that one.
No, I made a mistake one yearsaying something.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:49):
And vice versa, if old Mystic's on the other time
would do the same thing.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:52):
Yeah, it might have been to Justin that I said this,
but something about how we were,I want to say we weren't ranked
as high.
And so I was kind of like, Imean, there's no shock.
Justin was like, but it's theegg bowl.

SPEAKER_05 (01:01:02):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:03):
And so the also the factor of people maybe playing
out of their minds.
If, you know, like you can'tnecessarily say, this is our
record, this is your record,like this is the obvious story
that's gonna happen.
It's like, no, no, it's the eggbowl.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:16):
You better And that's what okay, so they was
asking me.
So I'm gonna make two points.
Why why I'm gonna say forkeeping.
You said your freshman year,y'all only won 6K, but the one
you remember in Oxford, right?
And then I'm gonna say this lastyear, it's just the truth.
We wasn't that great at all.

(01:01:36):
But I've never seen a team playso hard in the egg bolt in
Oxford, and I had a chance towin.
Right.
Because the it's like that gamepulls something out of you.
And I I believe this.
So this is my theory.
If we if they were better lastyear and we were worse, and they

(01:01:58):
didn't beat us that bad, andwe're better this year.
We're better this year, andthey're not as good, and we're
at home.
I'm expecting, I'm just gonnatell you, I'm expecting to wrap
this one up in maroon and white.
And to save Kiffin out.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:14):
I am not saying remove the rivalry.
I'm not gonna The rivalry doesproduce really great moments,
and I think gets more out ofathletes.
Like any rivalry, as you'regrowing up as a kid, it produces
something in you that would nothave been there before.
You have to have somebody tocompete against.
And and that multiple times ofcompeting against somebody,

(01:02:37):
whoever that rival is, doesproduce um a better athlete.
It gets you somewhere that youwould not have been there.
So like I I I get it.
I just I don't like thenastiness that it produces.
Yeah, because there's beenstories, not here, but at other
schools where people have likeWell, we got stuff throwing on

(01:02:59):
the field, you got fights, yougot things, just not pretty
things that are not good.
I do like what it produces.
The athletes, the moments, theoutlandish performances that are
just like you might seesomething crazy in a game like
that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:11):
You might not see all that.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:12):
Yeah, and people go down as legends at a school just
for their moments against arival.
You know?

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:17):
You're the standard right now.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:19):
So I I think there's just it's cool opportunities.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:23):
You're the standard right now.
I want you to know this.
Everybody, you just heard aspeech from our FCA leader.
That is our FCA leader, makingsure no matter what, we stay
Christian, we stay true to whowe are called to be, in spite of
our feelings, in spite ofoutcomes.
We have to stay consistent.

(01:03:44):
I like that about you, Justin.
You just he's so great.
I really consider.
Should we, you know what?
But I think this is what weshould do.
This is what we should add.
Keep doing the rivalry, butbefore the game, we should have
Justin give a speech to bothsides.
Listen, hey, you all.
We don't have to tear eachother.
Listen, I know, like, you know,before the game comes on, you

(01:04:06):
know how they have those peoplehave him come on and tell them,
look, have him, matter of fact,this will be perfect.
Him with an LCA person from AllMiss and him standing there,
they shaking hands, they'retalking, we want to win this
game.
But at the end, we're all on thesame team.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:22):
Oh, God.
Let's love each other.
Now I get people with nice stuffon the field right there.
Who are these people?
Who's this dude?
No.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:32):
Oh, my face hurt.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:34):
Hey.

unknown (01:04:35):
From last year.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:36):
No, but but I I get it, man, because it it has I I
will say this that rivalry,because one of my mentees, I'm
his mentor, but he's a diehardOle Miss fan.
So we've had to learn temples.
We've had to, and I've told himat times, we will not talk about

(01:04:57):
these other schools because itgets sometimes in the in the uh
spirit of competitivenessgetting riled up, and before you
know it, you don't want to bearound them.
You don't want, and I'm like,man, sports is not that serious.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:11):
No, and so relational maturity, I guess.
I mean, don't be offended.
Your team stumped today, or youlost.
Like, you can be offended allyou want, and somebody can poke
the bear in you all they want,but you've got to choose to
Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:25):
Okay, a couple of examples of that that I was I
said on the podcast last time,but when we when Morgan William
hit the shot over the Yukon girlto bring their streak and go to
the um I say Yukon's what washer name?
Gabby.
Yeah.
Gabby Williams.
Yeah.
She, you know, the Yukon, whenwe left, the Yukon fans that
were passing us in the parkinglot were very wasn't like they

(01:05:46):
were tip their cap to, you know,they were like, y'all were the
better team tonight.
Like it could have gone eitherway, you know?
And so, and that's not arobbery, but I mean, we had lost
pretty bad the year before toYukon.
Yeah, but like you gotta waitthat whole year, and then you
get this next matchup, and thenyou beat them like that.
And then the other day, um, mydad again, Texas AM, he said we

(01:06:09):
were on the phone and he saidsomething like, Are you not
gonna say anything about uhTexas AM?
And I was like, Dad, they'rejust good, like, good job.
Like, I don't know.
I think that there's some ofthat is being able to just say,
Hey, like, yeah, you're great,you know, and not hold this
irritation or bitterness orwhatever, you know?
It's like, no, objectively,y'all are pretty great this

(01:06:30):
year.
So good for you, you know.
Um, but I will say y'all kind ofsaid some of this.
There was this quote that I readon one of the articles.
It says, make sure you have aproper perspective on rivals and
competition.
They are often our bestteachers, forcing us to reflect
on our practices and strengthenour original convictions.

(01:06:50):
So, as an argument to keeprivals, it's a good like if you
can have a proper perspective onit, if you didn't have that
other guy that, or in theinstance of, you know, Josh and
Reed, like you have these peoplethat you can that can bring the
best out of it it could bringthe worst out of you if you make
it about jealousy andcompetition and having to prove

(01:07:11):
yourself.
But if you're a secure person,you can look at that and say,
How did they beat me?
I'm gonna go back and I'm gonnasee watch film or I'm gonna do
whatever so that I can bebetter.
And if you don't have thatcompetition, who do you have to
push you to the next level, youknow?

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:26):
Yeah.
But if you're an athlete that'sworth your salt, you want to be
something in the big moments inthe big games.
Rivalry games are those gamestoo.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:35):
You gotta say that again.
If you're an athlete that'sworth what?

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:40):
Your salt.
Like it it it's just a phrase oflike, you know, if if you really
wanna do this and you wanna bean athlete in big moments, like
if you're if you want to bethat, and that's why I think
that's why we play, right?
You grow up watching thesemoments and you see those iconic
moments as a player, and you'relike, God, I want to be in those
moments, I want to prepare forthat, and I want to win, then

(01:08:03):
yeah, you wanna play theserivalry games.
You want to be the guy.
Like you dream of that stuff.
So, like, why would you want togo or play anywhere else in any
other situation and not want tobe in these moments?

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:17):
Not as I mean, that's a great way to look at
it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:20):
Like, to me, I mean, I don't know, I look at it from
perspective I always wanted toplay in the SEC because it was
the best baseball conference ofmy time, and it still is.
And so I could have gone to USM,not a knock on USM.
I love people there, croacheswere great, but I wanted to play
here.
And so if I take the challengeto see if you could play.
Can I play at this level andsucceed?

(01:08:40):
And so this is what you'rebuilding for.
You're so funny.
And it was proven income throughin those moments.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:47):
Everybody's a little bit different, but I mean, I I
don't know.
Why play?
Why play if you don't want tobe?
I will say this.
I was at a doctor's appointmentand I mentioned and found out,
you know, I was married toJustin, and he said, Oh, I
remember him, and I'm an oldmiss fan.
Wow.
That's a compliment.
So um this old miss guy knewabout that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:06):
Um it was great to be on a message board and his
name pops up.
I'm like, I know him, I workwith him.
Yes, I didn't, and and Justin'sso humble.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:16):
Like he's like subject here.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:18):
He's all that's the thing.
He's so humble.
If you didn't know it, you wouldnot know he has done what he has
done.
But ladies and gentlemen, he hasa resume.
I just think everybody can know.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:35):
Like being able to tip their cap to the other.
Like, man, yeah, I know thatplan.
I remember him.
I remember him.
I remember.
Yeah.
Y'all have any life takeawaysfrom our conversation today?

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:46):
Hmm.
Well, I I guess, you know, whenwhen and re keep the main thing
the main thing.
As he's talking about rivalries,you know, sometimes we can get
so caught up in the uniforms,you know, and if you're not
careful, uh you can start, youknow, not liking certain people

(01:10:08):
just because of a jersey thatthey wear, you know, or and and
not really respecting them, noteven considering, you know, some
of the things that they have toaccomplish.
It's like, no, they're not onour team, or they may not, but
you have to, you know, be aperson of appreciating hard
work, perseverance, you know,and uh that's something that

(01:10:29):
I've had to kind of learn and bemindful of.
Uh, and I'm just saying, space,especially in the space of
rivalry.
Because sometimes you can be sointo your your team and you
don't like nothing at all.
You're not gonna say anythinggood, but you know, and I was
thinking about how, for me,seriously, temperance.
That's why I said keeping themain thing, the main thing, this

(01:10:49):
I'm a mentor to this guy.
He's like my little brother.
So it's like you're allowingsomething that you can't
control, something that's notthat important to keep us at
times distance.
And it's like he was saying,maturing in relationships.
I feel like those are all greatthings to kind of to stay
mindful of and then to realizeuh these are moments, and just

(01:11:11):
like they come, they're gonnago.
You know, we can't justcompletely be defined, you know,
to these moments.
That's why I say keeping themain thing, the main thing.
I think about the people who arein these moments.
Like uh he you talked about theuh when the guy acts like he was
peeing like a dog, and then youhave the kicker get a flag, need
the kicker, goes out there, missthe field goal.

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The extra point, you gotta thinkhe's having to keep reliving
that moment, and some peoplewill hold him to one kick out of
all the kicks he've ever made,you know, and so it's like you
said, keeping the main thing,the main thing, always being
able to uh realize moments aremoments, and though they can be

(01:11:53):
uh moments of elevation, youknow, for some that are on the
flip side of those moments, youknow, that's not their proudest
moments, but um I think it helpsus to keep things in
perspective.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:04):
Especially with social media.
Now things can travel a lotfaster and be out there for
everybody to see forever.

SPEAKER_04 (01:12:11):
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know.
I think there's a way to giveyour best, do your best, honor
the game and honor the peoplethat you're playing.
And um and that's all you cando.
That's really all you can do.
Anytime you let the game or anoutcome of a game dictate and
change who you are.
I think that's something thatyou've got to really be honest

(01:12:33):
with and going, okay, how mucham I letting miss affect me?
Like I I remember watching abasketball championship.
We had to have an FCA leadershipmeeting right after that.
Like 15 minutes later.
Really?
And I had a really hard timerated that shouldn't be.
I had that was probably one ofthe hardest meetings.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:51):
This was because we blew the wale.
Hit the game.

SPEAKER_04 (01:12:54):
Notre Dame beat us.
We ran out.
I I don't know why we could actlike we were spent.
That's that's no, we were spentthe year before against South
Carolina.
After we beat Us South Carolina.
Yes, that's so that's the NotreDame.
They were in foul trouble.
We had all these opportunitiesto go ahead and they just stuck

(01:13:15):
around, could not do it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:16):
And she hit a bank shot, a bank three from like the
side.
They did an inbounds play fromthe side.
I remember that.
But yeah, so it was just sodeflating.
Very it was so bad.
We we had to, we were like, wegot to get ourselves together.
We got college students comingover in 15 minutes and like and
they're from and it was theUniversity of Texas students, so

(01:13:37):
they're used to like winningstuff all the time, you know.
We're like, y'all, we're inmourning because this could have
been our first nationalchampionship as a school.
Um, but yeah, that was but yeah,uh you were saying that if it
changes you, it removes youremotion.

SPEAKER_04 (01:13:51):
Yeah, and it's it's gonna move your emotion.
Sure.
It should.
If you got any life, you know,it's gonna move, it's gonna move
you a little bit.
Um but yeah, I just I just thinkit can lead to you doing some
really stupid stuff and notbeing yourself to a point where
it's too far.
Right.
You care way too much.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:09):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (01:14:09):
Yeah, you know, a little bit of an evaluation.
Um and then realizing all thestories that play into this.
All the stories from that team,all the stories from our team,
whatever it may be, and the guysthat have worked so hard to get
to this place, the coaches thathave coached so hard to get to
this place, and yes, the outcometurns out the way that we don't
want miss necessarily that we'rethe way we do want, you can't

(01:14:32):
discredit all the work that's Idon't know.
Sometimes I think we can losethat.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:37):
I feel like you can get lost in that, and I'm
learning that.
Learning to embrace everymoment, but also kind of be able
to separate moments.
Like, don't let one one momentdefine because like even you was
talking about with the thenational championship that we
lost with the women'sbasketball.
It's like you lost it off a lastsecond shot, but they can't

(01:14:59):
diminish the journey.
You literally made it back toback.
You know how hard that is to goto two championships in two
times, like you know, so it'sit's kind of one of those days
where, like you said, keepingthe main thing, the main thing,
and uh that's one thing I'velearned to do is to to respect,

(01:15:20):
to honor, uh, and even takelessons out of everything.
You know, you mentioned earlierRon Day losing to Michigan.
And I was thinking, man, but themental fortitude to lose a game
that you are already pressuredgoing into.
You lose it every day.
You're getting up, they'retalking about you potentially

(01:15:43):
losing your job, and then you goout and win the national
championship.
Like that, to be able to letthat loss be this is by itself.
We still got too much to playfor, too much ahead of us, and
to actually go out there and doit, change the narrative, change
the conversation, like save hisjob, you know, like it's like

(01:16:04):
I'm saying, like Okay, highestwinning percentage in college
football is right right now aswell.

SPEAKER_04 (01:16:09):
And they he could have lost his job.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:11):
It's crazy.
That is But it is what I thinkthat what I've noticed in sports
is it's what story, whatnarrative is being told.
Yes.
It's what you remember, youknow.
Like that's I think what's sopowerful about story is that you
can see you might be watching itand you might try to say, This
is what I saw, and this is whatI remember, but the media will

(01:16:31):
get involved or whatever, andthey'll tell you what happened.
And then, you know, you missthese other details that oh well
he's like got the highestwinning percentage, and we
almost fired him because of thisone game.
That's what this is what we'rebeing told isn't supporting.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:44):
And that's what happened to PS Day's coach,
Franklin.
He literally was a game awayfrom the national championship
last year.
One game away.
He didn't build them up one gameaway, and because this year they
were struggling a little bit, hegets fired.
And I'm sitting there like, thisis one of the better coaches in

(01:17:06):
all of college football.
But but like you were saying,the media spins it, they blows
it up.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:13):
And we get lost in those stories, and then we're
like, what is the actual, what'sactually happening here?
You know, one of the things thatI remembered about that Notre
Dame game, and then we'll umwe'll wrap it up, but it's just
how some of these rivalries, atleast for me, because I was I
watched that game and that hurtso bad.
To me, Notre Dame is like arival in women's basketball for

(01:17:36):
us.
We have we played them in uh Ithink maybe after the first four
in the maybe in the first roundof the tournament a few years
ago with women's basketball.
And I was like, oh, I want tobeat them so bad.
I think they beat us again.
But even in soccer, it it itkind of becomes a thing for me
personally.
But other people might notnotice.

SPEAKER_05 (01:17:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:57):
Like, but it was because I saw that moment and it
hurt so bad that now it's reallywith women's sport.
Oh, maybe it would be any sport,but when they played us in
soccer, I was like, dude, it's awomen's sport thing.
Yeah, and they've enrolled us.
So it does, it does bother me.
But depending on what the Iknow.
I'm like, uh so to Darius'spoint earlier, to maybe lay in

(01:18:18):
the plane of this conversation,how it can apply to life is I
think that you were sayingearlier, I guess how you could
let these things get to thepoint where you really don't
like a person, don't wantanything to do with a person,
even get to a point where youhate person, place, whatever,
because of these rivalries andhow I think that translates to a
lot of other areas of life.

(01:18:39):
Like if you can learn this, thatwe just we make these lanes that
it's like we're so comfortablehere, we like this.
Oh, we've also found people thatlike the same thing, think the
same way, believe the same way,and we don't want anything to do
with those people over therebecause they think different.
That if you do that and livelike it's just gonna make it
hard as you navigate throughlife and you have different
situations, whether it's a workenvironment, whether it's a

(01:19:02):
church, whatever, it kind ofputs you in this corner where
you can't really relate if youhave that kind of mindset.
So I do think that that's kindof a crossover takeaway from how
these things can impact you,just a way of your thinking, you
know.

SPEAKER_04 (01:19:17):
Yeah.
Sports did not create rivalries.
It was already in there.

SPEAKER_05 (01:19:21):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:19:22):
And so the gift of sports is it helps us for life
if you approach that way.
You want to defeat rivalry andliving from a place of rivalry
in your life to where it affectsyou, then sports can be a great
way to teach you those things.
Um and so if you could see itthat way, because it originally
sports was there for formation.
Coaches, sports, games, allthose things were there because

(01:19:46):
it brought joy, entertainment,it was fun.
But um learned from it.
You can learn from it.
Formation is the heart behindit.
Why most coaches, if all ofthem, got into this is because
of formation.
And so it's great teachingmoments and all of it.
And so that goes for the fan aswell.
Time to learn.

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:05):
Time to learn.

SPEAKER_04 (01:20:05):
Time for us to grow.

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:06):
Any parting shots, Doc?

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:09):
No, uh just like you said earlier, keep the main
thing the main thing.
And um, no matter what happens,win or lose, make sure that you
stay with, you know, realrespect, uh, love, you don't
dishonor people.
Um and this is a great time ofyear, you know, and so I don't

(01:20:30):
know what you all are gonna bedoing, but I'm pretty sure I'm
gonna be with some of my family.
And uh is it's important to hearthat message because a lot of
them are on the other side.
But hey, I believe that we'regonna be ready.
I'm I'm gonna be ready.
Got you ready with thisconversation.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, you have you have taken,you kind of have teetered.

(01:20:52):
Uh you have teetered some of myexcitement.
Not your passionate.
No, no, I'm gonna say not aboutthe not teeter the excitement
about the game, but more so notallowing the rivalry to control
my emotions, crow to control mymindset.
Um, again, like I said, Godalready been dealing me on
temperance.
So you he just used you to kindof reel look to reel me in and

(01:21:15):
say, remember, remember,remember.

SPEAKER_04 (01:21:17):
I'm I'm I'm a very boring person.
So I love them, but I'm notgonna be the exciting one to
stir the pot.

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:25):
Not too high, not too low.

SPEAKER_04 (01:21:26):
Yeah, I'm not gonna be a pot stir.

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:29):
Okay, well, we've had enjoyed this conversation.
We look forward to seeing withthe results of this weekend, um,
which we'll find out obviouslyin a few days.
But we hope that everybody has agood time if you uh are able to
make it out to the game and orwatch it, and that we can keep
our heads on straight, staycool, calm, and collected.
Um, but we'll look forward totalking with everybody next

(01:21:51):
week.
And um, thanks for listening.

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