September 25, 2025 • 56 mins
In this episode of Creative Crossroads, hosts Ellen and Catherine welcome weaver and fiber artist Kathie Roig. Kathie shares her extensive journey of over 30 years in the field of weaving, exploring different studios and the evolution of her creative spaces. She discusses her process, from early days working in a small guest bedroom to operating large looms in various studios across different locations, and now working from her home studio. Kathie delves into her experiments with textile techniques, particularly warp painting and double weave methods. This inspiring conversation highlights Kathy's persistent curiosity, willingness to experiment, and the intrinsic joy she finds in the creative process. The episode is filled with valuable insights for anyone looking to explore their own creativity.
00:00 Introduction to Creative Crossroads
00:18 Meet Kathie Roig: Weaver and Fiber Artist
00:53 Kathie‘s Early Weaving Days
03:06 Evolution of Kathie‘a Studio Spaces
05:10 The Impact of Studio Environments on Creativity
06:57 Exploring Different Weaving Techniques
08:15 Community and Collaboration in Art
13:46 Transition to North Carolina
15:56 Weaving in Asheville and Beyond
20:09 Innovations in Weaving Techniques
29:14 Exploring the Art Process
29:22 Retirement and Time Management
29:49 Techniques and Tools
32:28 Starting a New Project
33:05 Inspiration and Experimentation
36:33 Teaching and Sharing Knowledge
37:46 Handling Creative Challenges
42:11 Retirement and Future Plans
46:52 Showcasing Art Pieces
53:55 Final Thoughts and Advice
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Ellyn Zinsmeister (00:00):
Hey everybody.
Welcome back to CreativeCrossroads.
I'm Ellen.
And I'm Catherine.
And we're your creativityambassadors.
We're happy to be back with youin season two, and today I want
to introduce to you a goodfriend of mine, someone I've
known for, oh gosh, 30 plusyears.
Um, this is Kathy Roig.
Kathy Roig (00:20):
Hi.
Kathy is a weaver and fiberartist, sometimes quilter, and
she lives near Columbus, Ohio.
And Kathy has.
Been the one that has kind ofmentored me in weaving and
introduced me to it and nudgedme along and encouraged me.
And I thought it would be fun tohear from her about her creative
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process.
Um, have to tell you, one of thefirst times I remember hanging
out with Kathy, we went back toher house.
This is early days in herweaving career, and I was deep
in the weeds with toddlers andbabies, and she invited me to
her house and I walked in and Ifelt like I had walked into a
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true artist studio.
Like the whole house just feltit was so warm and there were
looms and yarn and color and,and it felt so good.
And I think that was the firsttime I thought to myself, oh
gosh, yeah, I'm a young mom, butI can still be a creative and I
can still.
Do artistic things.
So, um, we'll talk more aboutwhere, where Kathy works and her
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creative spaces over the years,but that was, had a huge impact
on me.
Uh, Kathy has exhibited her workand won awards
Ellyn Zinsmeister (01:33):
taught classes and all those things.
Um, recently was part of a groupexhibit and we can ask her more
about that and she'll tell usmore about that project.
But, um, welcome to CreativeCrossroads, Kathy.
Kathy Roig (01:46):
Well, thank you.
I, I don't remember you comingover to my house specifically,
but I do remember you askingquestions about stuff I used.
Ellyn Zinsmeister (01:56):
Yeah.
It definitely piqued mycuriosity from day one.
I, I have a, a distinct memorytoo, once when you had an
offsite studio bringing my sonwho was.
Five.
I mean, he was little and hewanted go see Miss Kathy's looms
and weaving, and you had abasket of woven like toys that
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you had made just to sell.
And he had a cat that he pickedoutta your basket that we
bought.
And he had that for years andyears and years.
Kathy Roig (02:26):
you, yeah.
Actually, I do remember himcoming to this, to the studio
with my big loom and knowing, Icall him Steven, um,
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (02:36):
because that's
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what he was at the time.
Uh, he, he was fascinated withall the mechanics of that loom,
which.
Not everybody is, but then
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those that are
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just like, how does this work?
And so I do remember that.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cros (02:50):
Yep.
He loved it.
Of, of all my kids.
He was the one that wanted to goand see it and ask questions, so
that was cool.
Well, maybe we should startthere.
Talk about the different placesthat you have called your studio
over the years.
Some have been at home, somehave been outside the home.
How are those different?
How do those impact yourcreativity being at home versus
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being away?
Well, you
Kathy Roig (03:13):
know, I look back and, I think about my artwork
has always kind of evolved intowhat my life was like at the
time.
So when I first began weaving, Ididn't have a child.
Um.
I just had a teeny little spotin a guest bedroom with a loom.
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Um, then, uh, moved to anotherhouse and we finished off an
attic for my studio because bythat point I was weaving more
and I was sell, I was doingclothing a lot more and selling
at art fairs and some boutiques.
And I had worked for a woman whowas a professional weaver and
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just wove yardage for her.
So I was hot and heavy intodoing that.
And we had this, attic that wasfinished off sky windows.
It was a beautiful spot.
And then I got pregnant andthings changed a little bit.
I, I stopped doing the yardageand I stopped doing kind of the
production clothing, but I stilldid some weaving.
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Um, but you know, a new youngbaby takes up a lot of your time
and energy.
Um, so then from that littlehouse.
We moved to a, a larger house.
You know, my son's now going tokindergarten in first grade, and
this particular house that kindof became our forever, you know,
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our longtime house raising ourson.
And, uh, that, uh, had, uh, asmall little sunroom off our
living room that we expanded,um, to make a studio, kind of
family room studio.
So at that time, you know, myweaving in my mom life was all
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very connected.
Um.
The other thing that kind ofhappened with all my weaving
spaces were the looms that Iwould acquire.
You know, like a sower, youstart with your basic and then
you go, oh, well I want, I wantsomething that has more bells
and whistles to it.
So around that same time webuilt this, I got a very large
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Swedish draw loom, which, um,not many people have or know
about.
But basically it allowed me
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to
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weave designs that I would draw on graph So it was
pretty, uh, expansive on thetype of weaving that I could do.
And where we lived, there was aweaving center and they sold
these looms.
Um, and a friend of mine, aweaving friend of mine had one
and
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she,
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uh.
Let me work on hers.
And so I knew kind of about themanyway, so I got this big, huge
loom and it was like in thisfamily studio space and for a
long time it just be kind ofcame a place for Ben, my son, to
kind of climb around and littleindoor jungle gym.
But I did learn to weave onthat.
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Um,
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and
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uh, oh gosh, I probably had that space
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and we lived in
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the house for 20 some years.
But I, I had that one singlestudio space for maybe five or
six years.
And then as my son got older andin school more
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often,
Kathy Roig (06:40):
um, I felt I wanted to kind of separate the two a
little bit
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (06:46):
Mm-hmm.
Um,
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so.
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I
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found a studio space.
Um, and it, it was actually inan old hotel.
It was in Avon Lake.
I know Ellen knows these places,but probably nobody else will.
And it was, um, they hadconverted this old hotel, just a
two or three story hotel intostudio spaces.
And so it wasn't big enough tohold everything, but it could
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hold my big loom.
So I took
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my big loom
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and I have a work table.
Um, so I could go there kind of
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part-time.
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Um, also so that, that lasted a couple years.
It was a little isolating.
I didn't really meet otherartists there.
I mean, it was not,
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was gonna ask time for me.
Kathy Roig (07:30):
it was kind of nice.
I, I wanted to kind of beisolated, you know?
I didn't want 25 thingshappening at once.
That was happening at home.
Right.
Place I I could just go and.
Crank up my music.
And, um, then, I don't know,probably about, I was probably
there as.
three or four years or so Inthe, in the same um, kind of
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shopping mall.
There was a space that opened upand a friend of mine who was in
this hotel, uh, decided, well,let's make our own studio with a
gallery.
So we did that.
It's called Studio Esprit.
Uh, it was a lot of work.
We had studio space in there,but we also sold other craft
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things and, you know, ceramicsall sorts of handcrafted things
between me and this other woman.
We had already made someconnections you know, with other
artists.
So that was a lot of work and Idon't know that lasted, um.
A couple years and we realized,you know, we were spending so
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much time doing the gallerystuff and getting people in
because we needed to pay therent and blah, blah, blah.
So,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossro (08:46):
I was gonna ask, that probably
impacted the amount of time youwere able to spend on your own
Kathy Roig (08:50):
yeah, I mean, even though our studio, you know, my
loom and things were all thereto work on, it still required a
lot.
And, and it was actually, therewere four women that started
this.
And of the four, it ended upbeing me and this other woman
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who really did most of the work.
And it was, you know, it was oneof those, it was a learning
experience and
Catherine (09:17):
Yeah.
Kathy Roig (09:17):
you know, a lot.
And it was, it was helping meunderstand kind of, you know.
Having a career, having abusiness out of the things that
I make and how are you going tomake money on, you know, um, Not
that I was supporting my family,but I was supporting what I
wanted to do and the materialsand the equipment and, and
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (09:38):
all that.
Kathy Roig (09:38):
so that, that became an important part of it.
Um, so a couple years late, acouple years later in that
endeavor, another friend openeda studio gallery in Oberlin,
which is about 45 minutes fromwhere I lived.
Um, but it was very good friendsof mine and I loved them dearly
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and we just were, they wereartists as well.
And in that setting, I was justgonna rent studio space and I
could sell my work in gallery.
So.
Uh, I ended up working a littlebit just as a, you know, the
checkout girl, but, um, youknow, I didn't have kind of the
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responsibility of running the sothat felt really good.
And I loved, I loved the peoplethere, and it was a great
community.
It, it was a 45 minute drive, sothat o
Catherine (10:35):
Ooh.
Kathy Roig (10:36):
yeah,
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (10:36):
that's, that's the one I remember going
to
Kathy Roig (10:38):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I was there for a good longtime.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (10:41):
You were.
And it felt like that's whereSteven came.
Yes.
Yes.
Kathy Roig (10:44):
that's where he came.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossro (10:45):
I was in
Kathy Roig (10:46):
in the back of the, yeah.
And it was such a, it was, Imean, yeah, the, the women, we
had our own little art group,um,
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you know, that cool.
We
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just met separately, you know, as a group.
But, so that was,
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um,
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and it was an.
They were very encouraging.
We, we were all very encouragingfor each other to, in
exhibitions to try,
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You
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know, experiment with things.
In fact, one of the women theredid a lot of surface design on
fabric.
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (11:19):
Mm-hmm.
So she worked with
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dyes and paints and stencils, and I just, it was all
this layering stuff, you know,and I just, I loved all that,
but, so I thought, well, how canI
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kind, of,
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how can I have that fun on my weaving with all the
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theary
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the
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paint?
So what it really,
Kathy Roig (11:43):
and Ellen will know this, but um, that started me
thinking, can I use paint on mywarp threads?
The warp is the thread that goeson the loom.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (11:52):
and thought
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got this paint and you just, it's not dye, it was
paint.
You paint it on
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we,
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know, and then you heat set it, um, and then you
can wash and dry the fabric andit behaved a lot like
watercolor.
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So
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I tried that.
I had, I used
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paint
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on my warp and used a hairdryer to dry it, and then
wove that fabric.
And, um, that I've been still,I'm still doing that similar
process, but have grown andexpanded upon it.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (12:27):
And you teach that, right?
Kathy Roig (12:28):
It was just this wonderful, you know, there were
two quilters in there, uh, thatthe surface design person, woman
did beading and photography,silk painting.
So we had all these wonderful,you know.
Feeding off each other, so,
Ellyn Zinsmeister (12:45):
Sounds
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (12:46):
it sounds like it was just such a
great place for community andinspiration for you.
Absolutely.
Kathy Roig (12:50):
And our studio, so the, the gallery was in the
front of this space, I think itwas like an old
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pharmacy.
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Uh, so the gallery is in the front of this space,
and then there were just withcurtains, partition studio
spaces.
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So they, they weren't
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huge spaces.
And I was, and there was thisback storage room,
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which was where
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I was.
Uh, but people could, you know,people who came to the gallery
could come and watch the artistwork, or if you didn't want, you
could, you know, close yourcurtains or whatever.
So it, it was a very, um, yeah,it, it, we were inspired by each
other and then we were hoping toinspire others.
So, yeah, it was a great space.
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Um.
So I stayed there until 2005,which was when, um, my husband
and I moved to North Carolina.
Um, so that now is a whole newstory.
So
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I,
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our son's off to college.
We moved to North Carolina formy husband's work.
And, uh, so we were in westernNorth Carolina, near in the
mountains, near
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Asheville.
Mm-hmm.
Kathy Roig (14:04):
Uh, the first place, the first little town we lived
in was called Dillsboro.
And it's just, I mean, therewere like 200 people in the
town, all very mountainy andthere were craft shops and it
just, another very creativespace.
And found a studio space, um, inDillsboro.
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Located in an old house andthere was a gallery.
There were, there were, um,three or four buildings in this
little area.
And there was a craft gallerythat had been there for 30
years.
There was a pottery studio,there was a jewelry studio and a
stained glass.
And then this other space wasempty by when I was there.
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And so I moved into that spaceand that was a huge space.
And again, I, I ended up havingall my stuff, all my studio was
there.
Um, sewing.
I had, by that time I had threelooms.
Um, big work table, all my yarn.
And I had a little corner whereI could sell things'cause
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tourists would come in to allthese spaces.
And it was, it was still kind ofa business, but it was just me.
And, and if stuff sold.
Great.
But I had other, other venues inthat area that took my work,
that bought my work wholesale.
And so, uh, it was kind of anice little that way.
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Um, I loved that space.
There was a lot of craft historyin the area.
Um, so we were there for, uh,four or years or so, and then we
moved to Asheville, which was anhour away.
Uh, at that point I pretty muchestablished a lot of galleries
that sold my work and, and, uh,oh I A lot of galleries sold my
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work.
Um.
So I didn't really need to havemy own space to sell work.
So I, my studio was at home, wewere, we bought a house, it was
a newer home, uh, in the, like,everything in Asheville, it was
built on a hill.
Ellyn Zinsmeister (16:15):
It was was so beautiful.
Kathy Roig (16:16):
yeah, that, yes, I love that house.
The lower level was my studio.
Um, and it had its own like apatio, a deck off of it and
windows.
So it really wasn't a basement.
It was, it was the lower level.
But, kind of a walkout.
Yeah.
I had to walk out and we put asink in
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (16:33):
so that's lovely.
I could do
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my painting.
I did a little bit of dying.
So that was, that was awonderful and space.
And, uh, again, a wonderfulcommunity, I mean, of not just
weavers and textile artists, butall sorts of.
Craft people.
So very inspiring.
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And I was in a coupleorganizations, that supported
craft Okay.
Then the next move, four yearslater, again, we moved due to my
husband's work.
Um, it was hard to leaveAsheville for both of us, but
unfortunately the job there out.
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So, but fortunately he gotanother job in Charlotte, so we
moved to Charlotte
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and um,
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it's a coup that's maybe hour and a half or so east
of Asheville.
So not quite the strongcommunity of craft and artists
as in Asheville and, and inDillsboro.
But, um,
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so
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I kind of wanted to see if I could find a place
where I could meet other peopleand be in a community.
And, uh, I lucked upon it.
Uh, I found a studio that was,well, so I had space in the
house for most of my studio.
Um, but I found another place,um, that had studio space and it
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was like a shared coworkingspace.
So there were offices for somepeople, but they also had some
And that was very nice.
I did great folks felt pretty,successful there.
I didn't quite have the, uh,many galleries to sell my work
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there.
So occasionally we'd have openstudios at this spot.
Um, so sell things there, but Istill wall pieces, and I was
doing a lot of teaching at thatthis warp painting that I
developed.
Um, so then five years afterthat, we moved to, we moved to
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Dublin, which is where I am now.
I'm sitting in my studio, uh,there's a loom behind me there,
my sewing machine.
You can see yarn, uh, fabricright there.
You can't see behind me.
There's all sorts of stuff.
Uh, and then we have a sunroomoff our living room downstairs
that I have, um, a floor loom.
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I got rid of the huge draw loomafter I.
I sold it When we left NorthCarolina.
It, it's a pretty physical loomto operate and I found I wasn't
using it as much, uh, I knewfirst of all it takes a room
it's own.
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And so
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we were tired of finding a house for the loom and
not something that we wanted.
So,
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but anyway,
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so we sold it.
Uh, and, and also knowing thatthere were a lot of weavers in
the Western North Carolina areaand a lot that I knew that it
would easier thing to do.
So, um, I had that loom forprobably 35 years it was a good
loom, but it was ready forsomebody else to love.
Um, so you're back.
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that.
so you're back weaving at home.
So I'm back weaving at home.
I know.
Yeah.
And, um, It feels verycomfortable and, uh, you know,
I'm not selling at galleries.
I did place mats and napkins andbaby blankets and baby bibs um,
I, and scarves and all sorts ofstuff.
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I love making.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (20:21):
Um,
Kathy Roig (20:22):
there's one gallery, um, in the area called the Ohio
Designer Craftsman.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (20:28):
Um, mm-hmm.
Kathy Roig (20:29):
and I still love to make towels, uh, and, uh, so I
sell towels there.
but mostly I'm doing those andwall pieces still.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (20:42):
and so.
your wall pieces is more, Iwould say one is more
utilitarian, the towels, thebibs, the blankets, and then the
wall pieces are more art andRight.
Each one is unique anddifferent.
Do you enjoy one process overthe other?
Kathy Roig (20:57):
Um, I've always enjoyed doing both of those I'm
working on some towels now on mylittle loom back there, and it's
basic, know, but there'ssomething just very comforting
about the familiarity and like,oh, I mean, I do kind of
experiment with different colorsand warp patterns and all that
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business, but, um, and I like touse things that I've made and I
other people too.
it can help me with thetechnical part, the process part
of how mm-hmm.
the threads behave, how theloom, how I can set it up most
efficiently, uh, how I can makesure, you know, it's just the
process that I can, hone in onthe art pieces.
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Um, I'm still painting
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cr (21:46):
warps.
Kathy Roig (21:48):
I've developed different ways to do it and, uh,
different, different processeson how to do it as well as
different ways to apply thepaint, you know.
Much do the colors bleedtogether?
How much don't they?
I've started using somestencils, on the warp.
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For another look, I guess.
kind of have an idea in mind onwhat I'm gonna do.
You know, maybe it's like, withthese stencils, wonder what a
stencil would look like on awarp.
And so I went to Amazon and youcan get these big, like stencils
for a wall painting and stuff.
So, you know, I got some ofthose that I liked and, and, um,
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tried that, uh, you know, let'stry this color and let's try
that color.
and so it was a little bit oftrying the, uh, material and
seeing what happens, uh, kind ofeach step along the way.
And I've come to trust.
My instinct on that, like, oh, Ilike blue today, so I'm going to
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use blue and I'm gonna see whatthat looks like.
You know, if I do it this way orwhat, you know, it's not, um, I
don't think about it too much,put it that
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (23:05):
Mm-hmm.
So your process, I mean, it'scontinued to evolve.
You never like reached a final,this is how I do things.
Kathy Roig (23:12):
well, yeah, I mean, it has evolved.
I first started that way longago at the gallery where all my,
my friend was doing the surfacedesign and she had it the, it's
called Dynaflow paint, which Imean, it's, you
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (23:26):
get it.
Okay.
Everybody
Kathy Roig (23:27):
knows Dynaflow paint.
It's easy to use.
And, and, and I had yarn on myLoom unwoven, mm-hmm.
that's what I painted.
Uh, and I did that, you know, Ipainted.
Dry it, weave that.
Then you move the woven threadand you have more unwoven and
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you paint dry it weave and youjust kind of keep that process
up.
And I, you know, I was doingthat for a while and like, well
that's kind of fun, but it'skind of like tedious.
I wish I could just paint thewhole thing that would, you
know, that would certainly makelife easier.
And I could also kind of see alittle better, you know, I was
kind of making just smallthings, you know,'cause this was
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what was in front of me at theLoom Unwoven.
Mm-hmm.
But if I had the whole warpspread out somehow Unwoven, in
the threads, you know, all linedup how I want them kind of under
tension so they don't gettangled.
You know, and there is a wholeprocess on weaving, you know,
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you gotta keep the threads inorder with across.
uh, so, um, when I got to myfirst studio in North Carolina
where I had that larger space, Ihad like two rooms there, and
there was this huge back roomwith a bunch of tables and I
thought, well, I could like putall these tables together and
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spread out my warp.
And so I did.
And like, oh, well here's allthe threads all.
And so, um, I kind of developeda process on how to keep the
threads in order and how to keepthem under tension.
So that was the class that Itaught, uh, it's called Wart
Paint at Weave It.
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Um, but it, it is a process onhow to get the threads.
Even in, in the right order.
And then you can paint it andthen take that to your loom.
Hmm.
So then that evolved for me.
Um, the threads still kind ofshifted a little bit.
Um, and I had read somewheresomebody did this and I don't
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know how they did it, but theyhad loosely woven fabric.
They dyed it and then they tookthe loosely woven threads out
and put that on their Oh, So Ithought, well, I might try that
'cause that would keep all mythreads in order more.
And uh, so now, so I kind ofdeveloped this process on how I
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could do that kind of, you know,it's process.
weaving, you're doing weavingtwice.
Weave this real loose fabric,which it, it's, very easy and it
takes, it's very quick thatcomes off the loom paint it,
take the loose threads at warpthreads going
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (26:21):
put it back
Kathy Roig (26:22):
the loom and do the final weaving.
um, so do you want me to tellyou another part of the process?
Ellyn Zinsmeister (26:31):
Sure, I'm really fascinated by that.
Yeah.
the other
Kathy Roig (26:34):
part The Draw Loom gave me this certain type of
weaving,
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (26:39):
certain type
Kathy Roig (26:40):
of fabric.
Uh, there's warped faced areasand weft faced it's a single
layered fabric, but there's warpareas and it, there's weft It's
called dames fabric.
If look closely, you'll seethere's threads going this way
and threads going that way, andthat kind of makes the design.
So I sold that, which, you know,that was fine.
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I was ready to do that, but Istill kind of like that
interplay of one area andanother area being different.
And, uh, I'll get a littletechie here, but it doesn't
matter.
Uh, so a, a weave structure thatcan do that.
There are several, but the one Iparticularly like is called
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double weave.
So that's what I've been doing.
Uh, gosh,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossro (27:29):
I started doing
Kathy Roig (27:30):
of that in Charlotte.
Um, so it's, it's two layers offabric
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (27:38):
Mm-hmm.
And
Kathy Roig (27:38):
I can determine what layer comes to the surface.
So instead of having.
A warped face and a weft face.
In my draw loom, I have twolayers of fabric, and it can be
this layer or it can be thislayer, and I, I can design that.
Cool.
Okay.
one layer's white and onelayer's red, I can have, you
know, two inches of white, uh,next to two inches of red, and
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then they can switch.
So cool.
So, um, so I thought, well, Iwonder what would happen if I
painted two layers of thisloosely woven fabric and put
those together.
Mm-hmm.
Wow.
Because Because I mean, like,traditional double weave, you
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would design it where you'd havethis, you know, red square,
white square, red square, whitesquare, right?
And it would all be planned out.
And you would know this would bethe red one, and this would be
the white one.
But when paint your warp, like.
Think watercolor where it's allkind of flowing mix together.
and some areas are lighter anddarker.
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Uh, you don't always, you know,I don't always know what's going
to, you know, what layer's gonnameet with what layer.
So, um, I've, I've, I've reallyenjoyed doing that a lot lately.
And that's, that's that's whereI am.
Ellyn Zinsmeister (29:03):
So when you do like an, a typical art piece,
which I know they're not typical'cause they're all different,
um, but they take you a longtime, right?
Kathy Roig (29:11):
Yeah.
I mean, and I, I do, you know,and maybe I, I like for the, up
until last year, I called myselfsemi-retired, but now I'm
officially retired.
But that, all that means is Idon't have the business part I'm
doing anymore and I'm notselling at the galleries and all
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that business.
So, uh, so time doesn't matteras much to me, Mm-hmm.
And especially with, I meanthey, all the wall pieces I've
done takes time on the Drawloom.
Those even before war painting,those took a long time to weave,
Ellyn Zinsmeister (29:50):
So
Catherine (29:50):
when we say long time, like how, what's long
time, are we looking at months,years,
Kathy Roig (29:56):
not years.
Catherine (29:57):
Okay.
I'm just curious like what theframe is.
Kathy Roig (30:00):
I doing a double weave painted warp.
So Mm-hmm both layers and I'veloosely woven threads.
It's a natural color.
doing the loosely.
I say the process, I'll figureout how long it takes me.
Weave the loosely woven warp,take that off, paint it, put it
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back, you know, take the threadsout, it would take a couple
months if I wasn't doing muchelse.
Okay.
Um, and it, you know, again,like when I did the stencils, I
did a, I painted the whole warpwith this real loosely or real
watered down, um, paint.
So it was not very, um, dark incolor'cause I didn't want the
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natch.
Mm-hmm.
And then I put, then I did thestencil.
And so I had to wait, you know,for paint to dry and the
stenciling, you kind of had towait.
Before I move the stencil to,so, you know, there's a lot of
variation, I guess point.
Catherine (31:05):
Mm-hmm.
makes sense.
Yeah.
I
Kathy Roig (31:06):
wanna do different layers and sometimes I do, I'll
paint, um, and I have it, my,the downstairs here, is
unfinished and we have it'sactually a great space.
I have, uh, utility sink downthere and I use, uh, for my, if
I want a long, you know,'causeI'm doing like probably four or
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five yard lengths and I havesawhorses, four sawhorses two of
'em hold, um, a hollow door
Catherine (31:40):
Okay.
For
Kathy Roig (31:41):
the surface, you know, for the, and so those are
two.
They but each other.
It's a great, I've had thosesince.
Since we first moved to, um, inthat back room in my first
studio in North So, uh, it makesa great space.
And I put plastic on the tableand I paint and use a lot of
water.
And, um, Where they drop, likeif I paint, if I paint in the
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day and I'm done with it, it'sprobably, it's dry in the so I
don't have to wait forever.
Or I can use a hair dryer if Iwant it real quick.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (32:18):
So where's your, like what's your
starting point when you have anew project?
Is it, do you have some kind ofprompt, do you have a color
palette?
Where do you usually start?
Different things
Kathy Roig (32:29):
like,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cros (32:31):
like
Kathy Roig (32:31):
these stencils,
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (32:33):
mm-hmm.
Kathy Roig (32:35):
Um.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (32:36):
Was kind
Kathy Roig (32:37):
of like, I picked the stencil that I thought, I
wanna see what this stencilwould do.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (32:40):
Yeah, well,
Kathy Roig (32:41):
that, I don't know how that idea got in my head,
but I saw stencil somewhere.
I don't know.
Anyway, um, so that's, that'ssometimes it's just the, the
product or the thing.
Sometimes, um, a lot of times Iwill use a color like photograph
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or postcard.
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (33:03):
Mm-hmm.
Kathy Roig (33:04):
Uh, sometimes the photograph might mean something.
Sometimes it's just colors.
Sometimes it's a postcard that Ilike the colors Um,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (33:14):
do you use your own watercolors
because you do some, somewatercolor painting?
Kathy Roig (33:18):
yeah.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (33:18):
Um,
Kathy Roig (33:21):
I did do one, yeah.
Um, I did use one of mywatercolors.
I, it was in a, one of theslides that I sent you, um, was
a five
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cr (33:31):
panels
Kathy Roig (33:32):
five panel piece called over Story, um, which is
the part of the trees thatprotect the rest.
It's like a canopy.
And I live near a metro parkhere, uh, called Glacier Ridge
Metro and it's wide open there'sfields, Ohio's Flat, but there's
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this one area where you walkthrough the woods and I had
taken a picture in the fall acouple years ago and the sun was
coming through.
It was just beautiful.
And so I did a watercolor, uh,of that later.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (34:11):
And then, um.
Kathy Roig (34:14):
Not thinking I would use it for one thing or in
particular.
But then I was asked to be in anexhibition a couple years ago,
and I'd always kind of had thisthought, I wanted to use one of
my watercolors and I'm veryinterested in nature as a lot of
us are.
Um, and so I thought, wouldn'tit be neat to have these panels
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kind of like trees and they hungand they can hang in different
heights and depths and stuff.
So I used that watercolor.
It's very loosely based, but
Ellyn Zinsmeister (34:45):
You were
Kathie Roig_ Creative (34:46):
inspired by it.
Kathy Roig (34:46):
You know, having a blank canvas, blank warp in
front of you can be like, oh myGod, where do I start?
So it's you, you need somethingthough.
Yeah.
Ellyn Zinsmeister (34:58):
I
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossro (34:58):
I agree.
As I hear you talking, I hearyou talk about like, just this
curiosity and experimentationand just this approach of, I
wonder what would happen if.
Yeah.
And it's really fun to hear thatbecause I think sometimes people
think like, oh, we have to gointo our creative process
knowing what that finaloutcome's gonna look like, or
knowing what something's gonna,how something's gonna end up.
And we often have in our mind,like, if I can't create it, just
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how it is here, then it's notgood enough.
But hearing you talk is justinspiring of like, just approach
it with curiosity.
Ellyn Zinsmeister (35:27):
Have
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (35:27):
fun with it and see what comes of
it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But were you like that as a kid,Kathy?
Um, were you curious andcreative?
Kathy Roig (35:36):
I think so.
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (35:37):
Mm-hmm.
Kathy Roig (35:38):
I think so.
I, uh, I was gonna send you myartist statement.
I never did, but the firstlittle line
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (35:44):
in my artist
Kathy Roig (35:45):
statement is, uh, I remember, uh.
Catching tadpoles in the creeknearby, climbing the tree to
read a book and looking at thepatterns of my grandmother's
quilt.
Catherine (35:58):
Hmm.
Kathy Roig (35:59):
I mean, that is kind of a, in a nutshell, I, you
know, I had a mom in particular,my dad too, that were, pretty, I
mean, they were creative intheir own way, but they were
also not limiting me
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (36:17):
to,
Kathy Roig (36:18):
you know, be curious.
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (36:20):
mm-hmm.
Kathy Roig (36:22):
it, when I, my most favorite thing about teaching
this Warp painting class, and Ihave retired from that.
it's a lot of work to do those.
I go to conferences and guildsit's
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (36:35):
just, you'll teach your friend Ellen
someday, right?
I'll tell everybody
Kathy Roig (36:38):
you wanna come, uh, and stay here, we can do it.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (36:42):
Watch a little baseball.
Kathy Roig (36:44):
Yeah.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cros (36:45):
And, um, but my favorite,
Kathy Roig (36:48):
and it's, you know, people, what do I wanna say?
This class that I was teaching,it's not traditional, like, oh,
you're going to weave overshotpatterns and make, uh, place
mats.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossro (37:03):
A lot of
Kathy Roig (37:03):
times I'll go, what are we gonna make?
And I'm go, well, you're goingto make a piece of fabric that's
eight inches wide and two yardslong and you'll have painted on
it.
And I don't know,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (37:13):
but it is a little bit like
Kathy Roig (37:15):
I have to, I mean, they're already there, so
there's, they are a little bitready for some, um,
experimenting and not knowingwhat it's gonna look like.
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (37:25):
Mm-hmm.
Kathy Roig (37:25):
But yeah, a little bit of it is, you know, like, I
don't know if this'll work.
just try it and we'll find out.
Kathie Roig_ Creative (37:33):
Exactly.
So
Ellyn Zinsmeister (37:33):
so.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (37:35):
Go ahead, Catherine.
Do you ever get to a point inthat experimentation where
you're like, this is notworking, and then what do you
do?
How do you approach thosemoments, um, for yourself?
Kathy Roig (37:46):
well, I'll tell you one ear, which I, I mean, I,
because I, I, it was, this iswhere it didn't work out early
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (37:53):
Mm-hmm.
When I was
Kathy Roig (37:54):
experimenting with this warp painting business and
I was in the studio, uh, Whichhad that back room, that had the
big space.
And there's different types offabric paints,
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (38:06):
Mm-hmm.
As you
Kathy Roig (38:08):
might And, uh.
I, I thought, well, I'm gonnatry this other kind of paint
because I like some of thesecolors and it's a little
thicker, and maybe it'll stay,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (38:20):
it won't move
Kathy Roig (38:21):
much because what, you know, the, the dynaflow
paint just kind of wicks ontothe thread
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (38:27):
for better or
Kathy Roig (38:29):
Um, I mean, you, it is about learning about your
materials.
So, so I tried this other paintand it went on fine and it's
great, and I left, came back thenext day, came back in the
morning, and it, the whole warpwas like all so stuck together.
The paint had you know, it waslike acrylic.
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It was too thick
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cr (38:51):
Uhhuh.
And.
Kathy Roig (38:53):
So there was no
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cr (38:54):
saving
Kathy Roig (38:54):
that,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (38:56):
But
Kathy Roig (38:57):
you know, at least I was kind of at the beginning of
the process,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (39:01):
Um,
Kathy Roig (39:03):
so.
So that was like, well that'sjust, and I've learned I'm not
gonna use that paint anymore.
So now you've got Dynaflow andhere's how it behaves.
And you have to learn how, howit moves and how much water you
can use, or how much water youwant it to use or not use.
Catherine (39:21):
mm-hmm.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (39:21):
wanna
Kathy Roig (39:22):
paint the, do I wanna get the yarn wet first and
then apply the paint, or I wannaput the paint down and spritz it
with water, you know, differentthings.
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (39:32):
Mm-hmm.
Um, so,
Kathy Roig (39:35):
so there are many times, and my husband will
attest to this because itprobably happens every time
where I
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cros (39:42):
say,
Kathy Roig (39:43):
oh my God, this is a,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cros (39:46):
This is
Kathy Roig (39:47):
terrible.
Almost just, yeah, this, I, I, Idon't know what I'm doing.
It's all
Ellyn Zinsmeister (39:51):
Oh,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (39:51):
Oh, we don't care for language here.
It's
Kathy Roig (39:53):
whole world.
And he just looks at me and, andhe says, okay, well.
outside for a little bit.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (40:01):
So, um,
Kathy Roig (40:04):
so there are times I feel that way, but you know,
then I do come back and I'mlike, well, maybe it's not so
bad, but, or I'll, I can, if Iget a clear mind
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (40:14):
after
Kathy Roig (40:14):
thinking I've created disaster,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (40:18):
um, painting
Kathy Roig (40:20):
particular, like, well, I could, if I add water,
sometimes you can splotch itwith a paper towel.
You can kind of remove color.
I could add another color.
I also know that once I startweeping, the wet threads can
change things too.
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (40:36):
Mm-hmm.
So, um.
Kathy Roig (40:40):
so I don't know if that answers
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (40:41):
exactly but I kind of, if I,
Kathy Roig (40:46):
if I think I've made a complete mess of it, um.
I'll just walk away for
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossro (40:53):
I love that, that makes sense.
But it usually
Kathy Roig (40:55):
works out
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossro (40:57):
I love that.
It does.
It sure does.
That's so cool.
And, you know,
Kathy Roig (41:00):
helps if you don't have that already idea in your
head, like,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (41:03):
oh, it has to
Kathy Roig (41:03):
to be, it has to be a blue sky in green leaves.
Well, maybe it doesn't, andmaybe it's not a blue sky and
green leaves.
Maybe it's, you know, I don'tknow, a pumpkin patch or
whatever.
Catherine (41:15):
Mm-hmm.
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (41:15):
Mm-hmm.
So,
Kathy Roig (41:17):
um, so actually what that, that leads me into,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossro (41:22):
I don't always know
Kathy Roig (41:24):
what these are gonna turn out to
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (41:27):
But after the fact.
Kathy Roig (41:29):
I'll come, Oh, well that reminds me of
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (41:34):
you know, oh, that is
Kathy Roig (41:35):
like, you know, makes me feel like I'm at the
beach So, because some peopleask me like, where do I get the,
my, the titles?
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (41:44):
And
Kathy Roig (41:46):
um, nine times out of, well, I will say all the
time they come after
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (41:52):
Maybe that five
Kathy Roig (41:52):
panel piece,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossro (41:53):
I might've had
Kathy Roig (41:54):
title over story But, mostly the title
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (42:00):
So, cool with retirement because we
know, like as an artist, youdon't really retire from being
an artist, right?
I mean, it's just part of whoyou're Yeah.
Yeah.
Kathy Roig (42:09):
what I mean.
It's
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (42:10):
very, yeah.
But so now what do you do withyour pieces?
What's coming up in the future?
What are you looking towards?
Kathy Roig (42:17):
um, well, and I'll, I'll preface by saying
retirement means that I don'thave to, I, no, I have my own
accountant.
You know, Ellen.
And, and
Ellyn Zinsmeister (42:30):
I know.
So
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (42:30):
do I.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But, um, what,
Kathy Roig (42:33):
what that means is I don't have to file sales tax and
I don't have to do my inventoryand all that business.
So that's what really whatretired me.
So, um, so, uh, what am I doing?
I'm still doing wall that Idon't always know well, where
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they will end up.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (42:58):
Um, but there are, they're not, huh?
They're not for a specificexhibit or a specific request?
Not, no.
Kathy Roig (43:06):
I mean there like this Ohio Craft museum, uh, and
I, I, it was one of the slides Isent you.
I had a piece in it this pastyear,
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (43:17):
mm-hmm.
Kathy Roig (43:19):
which uses the stencil.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (43:22):
Um,
Kathy Roig (43:23):
but they have a show every year and the best of like,
so best of 2026 will be comingup, and I like to enter that
exhibition.
Um, you know, I kind of keep myeye out for other exhibitions to
enter.
Um, but it still comes down to,I have an idea about trying,
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what if I try two stencilstogether on one work or, you
know, what if I try this color?
You know, so it's still moreabout,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (43:55):
you know,
Kathy Roig (43:56):
exploring
Ellyn Zinsmeister (43:57):
of creating,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (43:57):
or
Kathy Roig (43:58):
if I pick one of my watercolor paintings watercolor
sketches and try and do that?
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (44:04):
mm-hmm.
Kathy Roig (44:05):
so the, um, and the, the, the group exhibition that I
had given you.
Images and told you about, we'restill looking for other venues
for that to go to.
Um, and so, you know,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cros (44:22):
even
Kathy Roig (44:23):
I have pieces already, I might wanna do
something else instead of someof the pieces.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (44:29):
and I'm, you know,
Kathy Roig (44:30):
like I said, I'm still doing towels, I'm doing
towels for family now too.
And, um, but what I like aboutit, it's just
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (44:38):
like.
Kathy Roig (44:39):
it's a much slower pace and I, I'm okay with not a
deadline.
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (44:47):
gotcha.
And it sounds to me like theactual joy is in the process and
the work, not necessarily theend result as much.
Yeah.
Kathy Roig (44:55):
Yeah.
I mean.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (44:57):
you know,
Kathy Roig (44:59):
I have this closet back there that's filled with
rolled up weaving so that, youknow, it would be nice to have
'em out somewhere.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossro (45:06):
I was gonna ask, yeah.
Do you have hundreds of themstashed away?
Well,
Kathy Roig (45:10):
not hundreds, but I have boxes.
I have, you know, those bigTupperware box or a Rubbermaid
of, you know, bits and pieces offabric from clothing and old,
you know, samples and stuff.
But, you know, I guess as longas I'm
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cr (45:28):
still.
Kathy Roig (45:29):
fascinated with the process of it and, and which I
am, and I still love to makestuff,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (45:39):
just, I can't imagine you're not.
Kathy Roig (45:40):
I know.
Well, and you know, and I didthese quilts.
I did two quilts that, um, wereso much fun.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (45:49):
So you're a weaver turned quilter.
And I'm a quilter turned weaver.
I know, I know.
It's just,
Kathy Roig (45:54):
um, but, uh, it was really a lot of fun and I
reconnected with a childhoodfriend when I moved back here
and, uh, she, she just retiredas a lawyer, but she's been a
quilter years and years andyears.
And she's a, she just, um, sheknows all those little tricks
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and everything and it was great.
And she has all the tools so Icould borrow her tools.
Um, so that was fun.
And I'm doing a lot ofembroidery lately.
So, um, you
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (46:26):
know, awesome.
There's,
Kathy Roig (46:27):
you kind of,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (46:28):
as
Kathy Roig (46:28):
with everything
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cros (46:30):
kind of,
Kathy Roig (46:33):
it's all integrated with my life at the time,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cros (46:36):
that makes sense.
that makes a lot of sense.
Catherine, did you have anywhereelse you wanted to go?
I wondered, Kathy, if we couldjust for a moment go through
some of the pictures that youshowed, that you sent us Sure.
And you could just very briefly,um, talk, talk through'em.
Sure.
Um, I think that'd be really funfor people who are joining us on
the video platform.
They can see it.
Yeah.
Um, let me get back to thebeginning of that list.
(46:59):
There we go.
This one?
Kathy Roig (47:01):
Okay.
Yeah.
So this was a, uh, piece thatwas in the exhibition called
What Do, what Do We Protect?
And um, it was a groupexhibition, seven other artists,
um, it was curated by AndreaDowns.
Um, and we all knew each otherwhen we all lived in Charlotte.
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (47:22):
Mm-hmm.
Uh,
Kathy Roig (47:22):
so I moved away.
Andrea moved away.
Uh, but she wanted to put thisgroup of artists together.
Um, mostly it, and it was rightat COVID.
So we were zooming and we werejust being a support group for
each other.
And
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (47:41):
yeah,
Kathy Roig (47:41):
the way we decided let's have a group exhibition.
Uh, and so that's how this kindof evolved.
So in the front, uh, you can seethree, uh, there's a total of
five panels, and that's the,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (47:56):
um, uh,
Kathy Roig (47:58):
overstory Trees That Shelter.
And so this was one that wasbased on, my watercolor, sketch
from the area Metro Parks.
And, it, it's a warp painteddouble weave.
So each layer was painted.
(48:19):
Um, brought together on theloom, can see squares and
rectangles, and that's where thelayers change.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (48:31):
So cool.
Ellyn Zinsmeister (48:32):
So like,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cros (48:33):
like the parts in here where we kind
of see the color blending,that's where it has been painted
and it's kind of makes thatwatercolory
Kathy Roig (48:40):
right.
So, you know,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (48:41):
if I put,
Kathy Roig (48:42):
if I put blue and I put yellow and they,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossro (48:46):
I can mm-hmm.
Kathy Roig (48:47):
add water and they'll blend together, or, you
know, they just kind of, it'skind of, you're familiar with
what ECOT
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (48:55):
Mm-hmm.
kind of
Kathy Roig (48:56):
that effect.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (48:59):
cool.
It's so pretty.
It's just beautiful.
All right.
Kathy Roig (49:03):
And the
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (49:04):
go back.
Kathy Roig (49:04):
in the, the, oh,
Ellyn Zinsmeister (49:05):
back.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (49:05):
The quilt was mine.
Kathy Roig (49:06):
that I did a temperature
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cr (49:08):
Quilt.
Oh, the quilt.
Okay.
Yes.
Kathy Roig (49:10):
Uh, so I did a temperature quilt,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (49:13):
Which I was
Kathy Roig (49:14):
fascinated with.
Temperature quilts.
I love a
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossro (49:16):
a system,
Kathy Roig (49:17):
so
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossro (49:17):
I love a system.
Kathy Roig (49:18):
I did two temperature quilts.
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (49:20):
Mm-hmm.
That quilt
Kathy Roig (49:22):
that you're looking at was, uh, so you choose, um, a
location and a time, and thatwas Columbus, Ohio, 2021.
And you can
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (49:32):
go to the archives
Kathy Roig (49:33):
get all the temperature high and low per
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cros (49:35):
each day for
Kathy Roig (49:36):
that year.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (49:37):
And
Kathy Roig (49:38):
was when I moved back to the Columbus area, which
is where I
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossro (49:42):
I was born.
Kathy Roig (49:43):
And then what you can't see is behind you.
There's another wall like that.
And there's the quilt from 1956.
Which was the year I was born.
So
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cros (49:55):
it's a Oh, cool.
Kathy Roig (49:57):
so you can, the idea is, know, how has the
temperature changed?
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (50:01):
And yeah.
Kathy Roig (50:02):
so it was very, it was very fun.
It was, you know, I chose thecolor palette, but you know,
there's temperature quilts allover the place.
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (50:09):
mm-hmm.
Kathy Roig (50:11):
so,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cr (50:11):
impact of that, the impact has changed.
That's really the contrast ofthe two.
Kathy Roig (50:16):
yeah,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (50:17):
yeah.
Yeah.
Ellyn Zinsmeister (50:19):
That's
Catherine (50:19):
so
Kathy Roig (50:20):
So I can tell you a little more about the double
weave if you want.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (50:26):
Of course.
How I came up with the
Kathy Roig (50:28):
um, it's kind of techie.
Do you want.
I'll, I'll tell, I mean, if it,if you think it's too techy,
then leave it out.
But I, so, um, um,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (50:44):
on double,
Kathy Roig (50:45):
so you have two
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (50:46):
layers.
Kathy Roig (50:47):
layer, layer one and layer two.
And I can make each square aswide as I want for layer one or
layer Um,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (50:57):
so
Kathy Roig (50:59):
in each
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (51:01):
like, layer one
Kathy Roig (51:04):
would, there's, oh, I don't think I can explain it
right
Catherine (51:09):
That's okay.
Kathy Roig (51:10):
And I, you know what?
My battery is getting low on mycomputer.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cr (51:14):
That's okay.
I just wanted to really quicklylook at, um, this one, is this
one of the ones with thestencils?
Kathy Roig (51:20):
Right.
So this is a detail.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (51:22):
Okay.
And it's a detail of, is it, uh,this one?
No, no.
This one?
No.
You don't need, I, I I don'tthink I have the Oh, yep.
Kathy Roig (51:33):
those the only ones you have.
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (51:34):
Mm-hmm.
Kathy Roig (51:35):
Hmm.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossro (51:35):
I have one of you in your studio
as well, but I didn't Right.
Pull that in.
Kathy Roig (51:40):
Well that's a D.
Yeah, I thought maybe
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (51:42):
I,
Ellyn Zinsmeister (51:42):
Let me,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (51:43):
let me, let me look and see real
quick.
Maybe I,
Ellyn Zinsmeister (51:47):
That's
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (51:48):
to see.
Oh wait, I do have it.
Hold on.
I do have that one.
Hold on.
Save image.
So
Kathy Roig (51:53):
this was the piece that was at the Ohio Craft Best
of
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (52:00):
We do have that picture.
It's just not in this download.
Yeah, so that's stencil.
Kathy Roig (52:03):
Um, and, um, you can clearly see it.
So one layer is the yellowbackground with, um, a stencil.
And, um, again, this is doubleweave.
So, uh, I wanted the stencillayer to be a little more
predominant.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (52:22):
so.
Kathy Roig (52:22):
Uh, the back of a double weave piece is the
opposite.
So the second layer is kind ofthat gray, green,
Kathie Roig_ Creative (52:30):
stripes.
Kathy Roig (52:31):
So
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (52:31):
yeah.
That's so beautiful.
And then I was so curious aboutthe dots.
Kathy Roig (52:35):
Dots.
So those are my temperaturerising towels, and I'm making
those like crazy.
They're still a lot of fun.
Um, but they're done on my loomthat I have in my, um,
Kathie Roig_ Creative (52:46):
sunroom.
Um, and
Kathy Roig (52:50):
yeah, so they're just done on a regular floor
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (52:54):
loom.
It's a, those are so cool.
Kathy Roig (52:56):
weave structure called Turn Tate.
And, uh, they're so much fun.
Yeah.
So I've been, I made those andthey, the colors coordinate with
that, with my quilt, but I alsomake them in, um, like a
turquoise.
In fact, I've got a warp woundfor some, like a turquoise and a
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turquoise green.
Kind of like your
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (53:19):
quilt behind you,
Kathy Roig (53:20):
Ellen.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (53:21):
Yeah, I was gonna say, I think I
probably need some of those inmy house.
Kathy Roig (53:24):
You
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (53:24):
You might.
It's
Kathy Roig (53:25):
called sea, so I like to name my towels.
Uh, and the blue and green onein turquoise is called sea
glass.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (53:33):
Oh, perfect.
I love that.
Those sound yummy.
Well, we wanna make sure that wewrap up before your computer
dies.
I know.
I'm sorry.
Kathy Roig (53:40):
because I
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossro (53:40):
I moved.
Yeah.
Oh, it's all good.
We're hitting our hour markanyways, so, yeah.
So do you have any advice forpeople who are learning to be
more experimental and justcurious in their creativity, in
their creative processes.
Kathy Roig (53:56):
You only have to please yourself.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (53:58):
Mm.
Kathy Roig (54:02):
You
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cros (54:02):
have to show
Kathy Roig (54:02):
it to anybody.
Catherine (54:04):
Mm-hmm.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (54:04):
Um,
Kathy Roig (54:05):
and, you know, be brave.
but yeah, you only have toplease yourself.
And, to be brave to learn about,especially in weaving and
quilting and the textile, or to,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (54:22):
to,
Kathy Roig (54:23):
to, experiment with your material that you enjoy
handling, whatever that
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (54:29):
might be.
Mm-hmm.
Ellyn Zinsmeister (54:31):
I love
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (54:32):
it.
I love that.
Thanks, Kathy.
Ellyn Zinsmeister (54:34):
You're
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (54:34):
the best.
You're welcome.
This has been, I have so enjoyedlistening to you and
Kathy Roig (54:39):
Oh,
Ellyn Zinsmeister (54:40):
like
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cr (54:40):
seeing like your curiosity and your
willingness to experiment hasjust been, it's been a
validating for me and justreally enjoyable.
So thank you so much for takingthe time to talk to us today.
Ellyn Zinsmeister (54:49):
Thanks,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cr (54:50):
Kathy.
Okay,
Kathy Roig (54:52):
Thank you.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (54:54):
We really appreciate you.
Thank you so much.
Kathy Roig (54:56):
I'll if you need anything else.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cros (54:57):
will do.
Kathy Roig (54:58):
Okay, bye-Bye.
Hey everybody.
Welcome back to CreativeCrossroads.
I'm Ellen.
And I'm Catherine.
And we're your creativityambassadors.
We're happy to be back with youin season two, and today I want
to introduce to you a goodfriend of mine, someone I've
known for, oh gosh, 30 plusyears.
Um, this is Kathy Roig.
Kathy Roig (00:20):
Hi.
Kathy is a weaver and fiberartist, sometimes quilter, and
she lives near Columbus, Ohio.
And Kathy has.
Been the one that has kind ofmentored me in weaving and
introduced me to it and nudgedme along and encouraged me.
And I thought it would be fun tohear from her about her creative
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process.
Um, have to tell you, one of thefirst times I remember hanging
out with Kathy, we went back toher house.
This is early days in herweaving career, and I was deep
in the weeds with toddlers andbabies, and she invited me to
her house and I walked in and Ifelt like I had walked into a
(01:02):
true artist studio.
Like the whole house just feltit was so warm and there were
looms and yarn and color and,and it felt so good.
And I think that was the firsttime I thought to myself, oh
gosh, yeah, I'm a young mom, butI can still be a creative and I
can still.
Do artistic things.
So, um, we'll talk more aboutwhere, where Kathy works and her
(01:24):
creative spaces over the years,but that was, had a huge impact
on me.
Uh, Kathy has exhibited her workand won awards
Ellyn Zinsmeister (01:33):
taught classes and all those things.
Um, recently was part of a groupexhibit and we can ask her more
about that and she'll tell usmore about that project.
But, um, welcome to CreativeCrossroads, Kathy.
Kathy Roig (01:46):
Well, thank you.
I, I don't remember you comingover to my house specifically,
but I do remember you askingquestions about stuff I used.
Ellyn Zinsmeister (01:56):
Yeah.
It definitely piqued mycuriosity from day one.
I, I have a, a distinct memorytoo, once when you had an
offsite studio bringing my sonwho was.
Five.
I mean, he was little and hewanted go see Miss Kathy's looms
and weaving, and you had abasket of woven like toys that
(02:17):
you had made just to sell.
And he had a cat that he pickedoutta your basket that we
bought.
And he had that for years andyears and years.
Kathy Roig (02:26):
you, yeah.
Actually, I do remember himcoming to this, to the studio
with my big loom and knowing, Icall him Steven, um,
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (02:36):
because that's
Kathy Roig (02:36):
what he was at the time.
Uh, he, he was fascinated withall the mechanics of that loom,
which.
Not everybody is, but then
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (02:46):
those that are
Kathy Roig (02:46):
just like, how does this work?
And so I do remember that.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cros (02:50):
Yep.
He loved it.
Of, of all my kids.
He was the one that wanted to goand see it and ask questions, so
that was cool.
Well, maybe we should startthere.
Talk about the different placesthat you have called your studio
over the years.
Some have been at home, somehave been outside the home.
How are those different?
How do those impact yourcreativity being at home versus
(03:11):
being away?
Well, you
Kathy Roig (03:13):
know, I look back and, I think about my artwork
has always kind of evolved intowhat my life was like at the
time.
So when I first began weaving, Ididn't have a child.
Um.
I just had a teeny little spotin a guest bedroom with a loom.
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Um, then, uh, moved to anotherhouse and we finished off an
attic for my studio because bythat point I was weaving more
and I was sell, I was doingclothing a lot more and selling
at art fairs and some boutiques.
And I had worked for a woman whowas a professional weaver and
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just wove yardage for her.
So I was hot and heavy intodoing that.
And we had this, attic that wasfinished off sky windows.
It was a beautiful spot.
And then I got pregnant andthings changed a little bit.
I, I stopped doing the yardageand I stopped doing kind of the
production clothing, but I stilldid some weaving.
(04:21):
Um, but you know, a new youngbaby takes up a lot of your time
and energy.
Um, so then from that littlehouse.
We moved to a, a larger house.
You know, my son's now going tokindergarten in first grade, and
this particular house that kindof became our forever, you know,
(04:42):
our longtime house raising ourson.
And, uh, that, uh, had, uh, asmall little sunroom off our
living room that we expanded,um, to make a studio, kind of
family room studio.
So at that time, you know, myweaving in my mom life was all
(05:04):
very connected.
Um.
The other thing that kind ofhappened with all my weaving
spaces were the looms that Iwould acquire.
You know, like a sower, youstart with your basic and then
you go, oh, well I want, I wantsomething that has more bells
and whistles to it.
So around that same time webuilt this, I got a very large
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Swedish draw loom, which, um,not many people have or know
about.
But basically it allowed me
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (05:36):
to
Kathy Roig (05:37):
weave designs that I would draw on graph So it was
pretty, uh, expansive on thetype of weaving that I could do.
And where we lived, there was aweaving center and they sold
these looms.
Um, and a friend of mine, aweaving friend of mine had one
and
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cros (05:56):
she,
Kathy Roig (05:57):
uh.
Let me work on hers.
And so I knew kind of about themanyway, so I got this big, huge
loom and it was like in thisfamily studio space and for a
long time it just be kind ofcame a place for Ben, my son, to
kind of climb around and littleindoor jungle gym.
But I did learn to weave onthat.
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Um,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (06:20):
and
Kathy Roig (06:21):
uh, oh gosh, I probably had that space
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (06:27):
and we lived in
Kathy Roig (06:27):
the house for 20 some years.
But I, I had that one singlestudio space for maybe five or
six years.
And then as my son got older andin school more
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cr (06:39):
often,
Kathy Roig (06:40):
um, I felt I wanted to kind of separate the two a
little bit
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (06:46):
Mm-hmm.
Um,
Kathy Roig (06:47):
so.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossro (06:49):
I
Kathy Roig (06:49):
found a studio space.
Um, and it, it was actually inan old hotel.
It was in Avon Lake.
I know Ellen knows these places,but probably nobody else will.
And it was, um, they hadconverted this old hotel, just a
two or three story hotel intostudio spaces.
And so it wasn't big enough tohold everything, but it could
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hold my big loom.
So I took
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (07:12):
my big loom
Kathy Roig (07:13):
and I have a work table.
Um, so I could go there kind of
Kathie Roig_ Creativ (07:18):
part-time.
Kathy Roig (07:20):
Um, also so that, that lasted a couple years.
It was a little isolating.
I didn't really meet otherartists there.
I mean, it was not,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (07:29):
was gonna ask time for me.
Kathy Roig (07:30):
it was kind of nice.
I, I wanted to kind of beisolated, you know?
I didn't want 25 thingshappening at once.
That was happening at home.
Right.
Place I I could just go and.
Crank up my music.
And, um, then, I don't know,probably about, I was probably
there as.
three or four years or so Inthe, in the same um, kind of
(07:55):
shopping mall.
There was a space that opened upand a friend of mine who was in
this hotel, uh, decided, well,let's make our own studio with a
gallery.
So we did that.
It's called Studio Esprit.
Uh, it was a lot of work.
We had studio space in there,but we also sold other craft
(08:16):
things and, you know, ceramicsall sorts of handcrafted things
between me and this other woman.
We had already made someconnections you know, with other
artists.
So that was a lot of work and Idon't know that lasted, um.
A couple years and we realized,you know, we were spending so
(08:38):
much time doing the gallerystuff and getting people in
because we needed to pay therent and blah, blah, blah.
So,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossro (08:46):
I was gonna ask, that probably
impacted the amount of time youwere able to spend on your own
Kathy Roig (08:50):
yeah, I mean, even though our studio, you know, my
loom and things were all thereto work on, it still required a
lot.
And, and it was actually, therewere four women that started
this.
And of the four, it ended upbeing me and this other woman
(09:11):
who really did most of the work.
And it was, you know, it was oneof those, it was a learning
experience and
Catherine (09:17):
Yeah.
Kathy Roig (09:17):
you know, a lot.
And it was, it was helping meunderstand kind of, you know.
Having a career, having abusiness out of the things that
I make and how are you going tomake money on, you know, um, Not
that I was supporting my family,but I was supporting what I
wanted to do and the materialsand the equipment and, and
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (09:38):
all that.
Kathy Roig (09:38):
so that, that became an important part of it.
Um, so a couple years late, acouple years later in that
endeavor, another friend openeda studio gallery in Oberlin,
which is about 45 minutes fromwhere I lived.
Um, but it was very good friendsof mine and I loved them dearly
(10:02):
and we just were, they wereartists as well.
And in that setting, I was justgonna rent studio space and I
could sell my work in gallery.
So.
Uh, I ended up working a littlebit just as a, you know, the
checkout girl, but, um, youknow, I didn't have kind of the
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responsibility of running the sothat felt really good.
And I loved, I loved the peoplethere, and it was a great
community.
It, it was a 45 minute drive, sothat o
Catherine (10:35):
Ooh.
Kathy Roig (10:36):
yeah,
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (10:36):
that's, that's the one I remember going
to
Kathy Roig (10:38):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I was there for a good longtime.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (10:41):
You were.
And it felt like that's whereSteven came.
Yes.
Yes.
Kathy Roig (10:44):
that's where he came.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossro (10:45):
I was in
Kathy Roig (10:46):
in the back of the, yeah.
And it was such a, it was, Imean, yeah, the, the women, we
had our own little art group,um,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (10:55):
you know, that cool.
We
Kathy Roig (10:56):
just met separately, you know, as a group.
But, so that was,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (11:00):
um,
Kathy Roig (11:01):
and it was an.
They were very encouraging.
We, we were all very encouragingfor each other to, in
exhibitions to try,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (11:11):
You
Kathy Roig (11:11):
know, experiment with things.
In fact, one of the women theredid a lot of surface design on
fabric.
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (11:19):
Mm-hmm.
So she worked with
Kathy Roig (11:21):
dyes and paints and stencils, and I just, it was all
this layering stuff, you know,and I just, I loved all that,
but, so I thought, well, how canI
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (11:35):
kind, of,
Kathy Roig (11:37):
how can I have that fun on my weaving with all the
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cr (11:40):
theary
Kathy Roig (11:40):
the
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cr (11:40):
paint?
So what it really,
Kathy Roig (11:43):
and Ellen will know this, but um, that started me
thinking, can I use paint on mywarp threads?
The warp is the thread that goeson the loom.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (11:52):
and thought
Kathy Roig (11:53):
got this paint and you just, it's not dye, it was
paint.
You paint it on
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (11:58):
we,
Kathy Roig (11:58):
know, and then you heat set it, um, and then you
can wash and dry the fabric andit behaved a lot like
watercolor.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (12:06):
So
Kathy Roig (12:07):
I tried that.
I had, I used
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (12:10):
paint
Kathy Roig (12:10):
on my warp and used a hairdryer to dry it, and then
wove that fabric.
And, um, that I've been still,I'm still doing that similar
process, but have grown andexpanded upon it.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (12:27):
And you teach that, right?
Kathy Roig (12:28):
It was just this wonderful, you know, there were
two quilters in there, uh, thatthe surface design person, woman
did beading and photography,silk painting.
So we had all these wonderful,you know.
Feeding off each other, so,
Ellyn Zinsmeister (12:45):
Sounds
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (12:46):
it sounds like it was just such a
great place for community andinspiration for you.
Absolutely.
Kathy Roig (12:50):
And our studio, so the, the gallery was in the
front of this space, I think itwas like an old
Kathie Roig_ Creative (12:56):
pharmacy.
Kathy Roig (12:58):
Uh, so the gallery is in the front of this space,
and then there were just withcurtains, partition studio
spaces.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (13:05):
So they, they weren't
Kathy Roig (13:06):
huge spaces.
And I was, and there was thisback storage room,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (13:12):
which was where
Kathy Roig (13:12):
I was.
Uh, but people could, you know,people who came to the gallery
could come and watch the artistwork, or if you didn't want, you
could, you know, close yourcurtains or whatever.
So it, it was a very, um, yeah,it, it, we were inspired by each
other and then we were hoping toinspire others.
So, yeah, it was a great space.
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Um.
So I stayed there until 2005,which was when, um, my husband
and I moved to North Carolina.
Um, so that now is a whole newstory.
So
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (13:51):
I,
Kathy Roig (13:52):
our son's off to college.
We moved to North Carolina formy husband's work.
And, uh, so we were in westernNorth Carolina, near in the
mountains, near
Kathie Roig_ Creativ (14:03):
Asheville.
Mm-hmm.
Kathy Roig (14:04):
Uh, the first place, the first little town we lived
in was called Dillsboro.
And it's just, I mean, therewere like 200 people in the
town, all very mountainy andthere were craft shops and it
just, another very creativespace.
And found a studio space, um, inDillsboro.
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Located in an old house andthere was a gallery.
There were, there were, um,three or four buildings in this
little area.
And there was a craft gallerythat had been there for 30
years.
There was a pottery studio,there was a jewelry studio and a
stained glass.
And then this other space wasempty by when I was there.
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And so I moved into that spaceand that was a huge space.
And again, I, I ended up havingall my stuff, all my studio was
there.
Um, sewing.
I had, by that time I had threelooms.
Um, big work table, all my yarn.
And I had a little corner whereI could sell things'cause
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tourists would come in to allthese spaces.
And it was, it was still kind ofa business, but it was just me.
And, and if stuff sold.
Great.
But I had other, other venues inthat area that took my work,
that bought my work wholesale.
And so, uh, it was kind of anice little that way.
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Um, I loved that space.
There was a lot of craft historyin the area.
Um, so we were there for, uh,four or years or so, and then we
moved to Asheville, which was anhour away.
Uh, at that point I pretty muchestablished a lot of galleries
that sold my work and, and, uh,oh I A lot of galleries sold my
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work.
Um.
So I didn't really need to havemy own space to sell work.
So I, my studio was at home, wewere, we bought a house, it was
a newer home, uh, in the, like,everything in Asheville, it was
built on a hill.
Ellyn Zinsmeister (16:15):
It was was so beautiful.
Kathy Roig (16:16):
yeah, that, yes, I love that house.
The lower level was my studio.
Um, and it had its own like apatio, a deck off of it and
windows.
So it really wasn't a basement.
It was, it was the lower level.
But, kind of a walkout.
Yeah.
I had to walk out and we put asink in
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (16:33):
so that's lovely.
I could do
Kathy Roig (16:34):
my painting.
I did a little bit of dying.
So that was, that was awonderful and space.
And, uh, again, a wonderfulcommunity, I mean, of not just
weavers and textile artists, butall sorts of.
Craft people.
So very inspiring.
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And I was in a coupleorganizations, that supported
craft Okay.
Then the next move, four yearslater, again, we moved due to my
husband's work.
Um, it was hard to leaveAsheville for both of us, but
unfortunately the job there out.
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So, but fortunately he gotanother job in Charlotte, so we
moved to Charlotte
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (17:21):
and um,
Kathy Roig (17:23):
it's a coup that's maybe hour and a half or so east
of Asheville.
So not quite the strongcommunity of craft and artists
as in Asheville and, and inDillsboro.
But, um,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (17:39):
so
Kathy Roig (17:39):
I kind of wanted to see if I could find a place
where I could meet other peopleand be in a community.
And, uh, I lucked upon it.
Uh, I found a studio that was,well, so I had space in the
house for most of my studio.
Um, but I found another place,um, that had studio space and it
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was like a shared coworkingspace.
So there were offices for somepeople, but they also had some
And that was very nice.
I did great folks felt pretty,successful there.
I didn't quite have the, uh,many galleries to sell my work
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there.
So occasionally we'd have openstudios at this spot.
Um, so sell things there, but Istill wall pieces, and I was
doing a lot of teaching at thatthis warp painting that I
developed.
Um, so then five years afterthat, we moved to, we moved to
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Dublin, which is where I am now.
I'm sitting in my studio, uh,there's a loom behind me there,
my sewing machine.
You can see yarn, uh, fabricright there.
You can't see behind me.
There's all sorts of stuff.
Uh, and then we have a sunroomoff our living room downstairs
that I have, um, a floor loom.
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I got rid of the huge draw loomafter I.
I sold it When we left NorthCarolina.
It, it's a pretty physical loomto operate and I found I wasn't
using it as much, uh, I knewfirst of all it takes a room
it's own.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (19:27):
And so
Kathy Roig (19:30):
we were tired of finding a house for the loom and
not something that we wanted.
So,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (19:35):
but anyway,
Kathy Roig (19:35):
so we sold it.
Uh, and, and also knowing thatthere were a lot of weavers in
the Western North Carolina areaand a lot that I knew that it
would easier thing to do.
So, um, I had that loom forprobably 35 years it was a good
loom, but it was ready forsomebody else to love.
Um, so you're back.
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that.
so you're back weaving at home.
So I'm back weaving at home.
I know.
Yeah.
And, um, It feels verycomfortable and, uh, you know,
I'm not selling at galleries.
I did place mats and napkins andbaby blankets and baby bibs um,
I, and scarves and all sorts ofstuff.
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I love making.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (20:21):
Um,
Kathy Roig (20:22):
there's one gallery, um, in the area called the Ohio
Designer Craftsman.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (20:28):
Um, mm-hmm.
Kathy Roig (20:29):
and I still love to make towels, uh, and, uh, so I
sell towels there.
but mostly I'm doing those andwall pieces still.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (20:42):
and so.
your wall pieces is more, Iwould say one is more
utilitarian, the towels, thebibs, the blankets, and then the
wall pieces are more art andRight.
Each one is unique anddifferent.
Do you enjoy one process overthe other?
Kathy Roig (20:57):
Um, I've always enjoyed doing both of those I'm
working on some towels now on mylittle loom back there, and it's
basic, know, but there'ssomething just very comforting
about the familiarity and like,oh, I mean, I do kind of
experiment with different colorsand warp patterns and all that
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business, but, um, and I like touse things that I've made and I
other people too.
it can help me with thetechnical part, the process part
of how mm-hmm.
the threads behave, how theloom, how I can set it up most
efficiently, uh, how I can makesure, you know, it's just the
process that I can, hone in onthe art pieces.
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Um, I'm still painting
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cr (21:46):
warps.
Kathy Roig (21:48):
I've developed different ways to do it and, uh,
different, different processeson how to do it as well as
different ways to apply thepaint, you know.
Much do the colors bleedtogether?
How much don't they?
I've started using somestencils, on the warp.
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For another look, I guess.
kind of have an idea in mind onwhat I'm gonna do.
You know, maybe it's like, withthese stencils, wonder what a
stencil would look like on awarp.
And so I went to Amazon and youcan get these big, like stencils
for a wall painting and stuff.
So, you know, I got some ofthose that I liked and, and, um,
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tried that, uh, you know, let'stry this color and let's try
that color.
and so it was a little bit oftrying the, uh, material and
seeing what happens, uh, kind ofeach step along the way.
And I've come to trust.
My instinct on that, like, oh, Ilike blue today, so I'm going to
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use blue and I'm gonna see whatthat looks like.
You know, if I do it this way orwhat, you know, it's not, um, I
don't think about it too much,put it that
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (23:05):
Mm-hmm.
So your process, I mean, it'scontinued to evolve.
You never like reached a final,this is how I do things.
Kathy Roig (23:12):
well, yeah, I mean, it has evolved.
I first started that way longago at the gallery where all my,
my friend was doing the surfacedesign and she had it the, it's
called Dynaflow paint, which Imean, it's, you
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (23:26):
get it.
Okay.
Everybody
Kathy Roig (23:27):
knows Dynaflow paint.
It's easy to use.
And, and, and I had yarn on myLoom unwoven, mm-hmm.
that's what I painted.
Uh, and I did that, you know, Ipainted.
Dry it, weave that.
Then you move the woven threadand you have more unwoven and
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you paint dry it weave and youjust kind of keep that process
up.
And I, you know, I was doingthat for a while and like, well
that's kind of fun, but it'skind of like tedious.
I wish I could just paint thewhole thing that would, you
know, that would certainly makelife easier.
And I could also kind of see alittle better, you know, I was
kind of making just smallthings, you know,'cause this was
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what was in front of me at theLoom Unwoven.
Mm-hmm.
But if I had the whole warpspread out somehow Unwoven, in
the threads, you know, all linedup how I want them kind of under
tension so they don't gettangled.
You know, and there is a wholeprocess on weaving, you know,
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you gotta keep the threads inorder with across.
uh, so, um, when I got to myfirst studio in North Carolina
where I had that larger space, Ihad like two rooms there, and
there was this huge back roomwith a bunch of tables and I
thought, well, I could like putall these tables together and
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spread out my warp.
And so I did.
And like, oh, well here's allthe threads all.
And so, um, I kind of developeda process on how to keep the
threads in order and how to keepthem under tension.
So that was the class that Itaught, uh, it's called Wart
Paint at Weave It.
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Um, but it, it is a process onhow to get the threads.
Even in, in the right order.
And then you can paint it andthen take that to your loom.
Hmm.
So then that evolved for me.
Um, the threads still kind ofshifted a little bit.
Um, and I had read somewheresomebody did this and I don't
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know how they did it, but theyhad loosely woven fabric.
They dyed it and then they tookthe loosely woven threads out
and put that on their Oh, So Ithought, well, I might try that
'cause that would keep all mythreads in order more.
And uh, so now, so I kind ofdeveloped this process on how I
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could do that kind of, you know,it's process.
weaving, you're doing weavingtwice.
Weave this real loose fabric,which it, it's, very easy and it
takes, it's very quick thatcomes off the loom paint it,
take the loose threads at warpthreads going
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (26:21):
put it back
Kathy Roig (26:22):
the loom and do the final weaving.
um, so do you want me to tellyou another part of the process?
Ellyn Zinsmeister (26:31):
Sure, I'm really fascinated by that.
Yeah.
the other
Kathy Roig (26:34):
part The Draw Loom gave me this certain type of
weaving,
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (26:39):
certain type
Kathy Roig (26:40):
of fabric.
Uh, there's warped faced areasand weft faced it's a single
layered fabric, but there's warpareas and it, there's weft It's
called dames fabric.
If look closely, you'll seethere's threads going this way
and threads going that way, andthat kind of makes the design.
So I sold that, which, you know,that was fine.
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I was ready to do that, but Istill kind of like that
interplay of one area andanother area being different.
And, uh, I'll get a littletechie here, but it doesn't
matter.
Uh, so a, a weave structure thatcan do that.
There are several, but the one Iparticularly like is called
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double weave.
So that's what I've been doing.
Uh, gosh,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossro (27:29):
I started doing
Kathy Roig (27:30):
of that in Charlotte.
Um, so it's, it's two layers offabric
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (27:38):
Mm-hmm.
And
Kathy Roig (27:38):
I can determine what layer comes to the surface.
So instead of having.
A warped face and a weft face.
In my draw loom, I have twolayers of fabric, and it can be
this layer or it can be thislayer, and I, I can design that.
Cool.
Okay.
one layer's white and onelayer's red, I can have, you
know, two inches of white, uh,next to two inches of red, and
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then they can switch.
So cool.
So, um, so I thought, well, Iwonder what would happen if I
painted two layers of thisloosely woven fabric and put
those together.
Mm-hmm.
Wow.
Because Because I mean, like,traditional double weave, you
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would design it where you'd havethis, you know, red square,
white square, red square, whitesquare, right?
And it would all be planned out.
And you would know this would bethe red one, and this would be
the white one.
But when paint your warp, like.
Think watercolor where it's allkind of flowing mix together.
and some areas are lighter anddarker.
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Uh, you don't always, you know,I don't always know what's going
to, you know, what layer's gonnameet with what layer.
So, um, I've, I've, I've reallyenjoyed doing that a lot lately.
And that's, that's that's whereI am.
Ellyn Zinsmeister (29:03):
So when you do like an, a typical art piece,
which I know they're not typical'cause they're all different,
um, but they take you a longtime, right?
Kathy Roig (29:11):
Yeah.
I mean, and I, I do, you know,and maybe I, I like for the, up
until last year, I called myselfsemi-retired, but now I'm
officially retired.
But that, all that means is Idon't have the business part I'm
doing anymore and I'm notselling at the galleries and all
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that business.
So, uh, so time doesn't matteras much to me, Mm-hmm.
And especially with, I meanthey, all the wall pieces I've
done takes time on the Drawloom.
Those even before war painting,those took a long time to weave,
Ellyn Zinsmeister (29:50):
So
Catherine (29:50):
when we say long time, like how, what's long
time, are we looking at months,years,
Kathy Roig (29:56):
not years.
Catherine (29:57):
Okay.
I'm just curious like what theframe is.
Kathy Roig (30:00):
I doing a double weave painted warp.
So Mm-hmm both layers and I'veloosely woven threads.
It's a natural color.
doing the loosely.
I say the process, I'll figureout how long it takes me.
Weave the loosely woven warp,take that off, paint it, put it
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back, you know, take the threadsout, it would take a couple
months if I wasn't doing muchelse.
Okay.
Um, and it, you know, again,like when I did the stencils, I
did a, I painted the whole warpwith this real loosely or real
watered down, um, paint.
So it was not very, um, dark incolor'cause I didn't want the
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natch.
Mm-hmm.
And then I put, then I did thestencil.
And so I had to wait, you know,for paint to dry and the
stenciling, you kind of had towait.
Before I move the stencil to,so, you know, there's a lot of
variation, I guess point.
Catherine (31:05):
Mm-hmm.
makes sense.
Yeah.
I
Kathy Roig (31:06):
wanna do different layers and sometimes I do, I'll
paint, um, and I have it, my,the downstairs here, is
unfinished and we have it'sactually a great space.
I have, uh, utility sink downthere and I use, uh, for my, if
I want a long, you know,'causeI'm doing like probably four or
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five yard lengths and I havesawhorses, four sawhorses two of
'em hold, um, a hollow door
Catherine (31:40):
Okay.
For
Kathy Roig (31:41):
the surface, you know, for the, and so those are
two.
They but each other.
It's a great, I've had thosesince.
Since we first moved to, um, inthat back room in my first
studio in North So, uh, it makesa great space.
And I put plastic on the tableand I paint and use a lot of
water.
And, um, Where they drop, likeif I paint, if I paint in the
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day and I'm done with it, it'sprobably, it's dry in the so I
don't have to wait forever.
Or I can use a hair dryer if Iwant it real quick.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (32:18):
So where's your, like what's your
starting point when you have anew project?
Is it, do you have some kind ofprompt, do you have a color
palette?
Where do you usually start?
Different things
Kathy Roig (32:29):
like,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cros (32:31):
like
Kathy Roig (32:31):
these stencils,
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (32:33):
mm-hmm.
Kathy Roig (32:35):
Um.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (32:36):
Was kind
Kathy Roig (32:37):
of like, I picked the stencil that I thought, I
wanna see what this stencilwould do.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (32:40):
Yeah, well,
Kathy Roig (32:41):
that, I don't know how that idea got in my head,
but I saw stencil somewhere.
I don't know.
Anyway, um, so that's, that'ssometimes it's just the, the
product or the thing.
Sometimes, um, a lot of times Iwill use a color like photograph
(33:02):
or postcard.
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (33:03):
Mm-hmm.
Kathy Roig (33:04):
Uh, sometimes the photograph might mean something.
Sometimes it's just colors.
Sometimes it's a postcard that Ilike the colors Um,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (33:14):
do you use your own watercolors
because you do some, somewatercolor painting?
Kathy Roig (33:18):
yeah.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (33:18):
Um,
Kathy Roig (33:21):
I did do one, yeah.
Um, I did use one of mywatercolors.
I, it was in a, one of theslides that I sent you, um, was
a five
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cr (33:31):
panels
Kathy Roig (33:32):
five panel piece called over Story, um, which is
the part of the trees thatprotect the rest.
It's like a canopy.
And I live near a metro parkhere, uh, called Glacier Ridge
Metro and it's wide open there'sfields, Ohio's Flat, but there's
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this one area where you walkthrough the woods and I had
taken a picture in the fall acouple years ago and the sun was
coming through.
It was just beautiful.
And so I did a watercolor, uh,of that later.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (34:11):
And then, um.
Kathy Roig (34:14):
Not thinking I would use it for one thing or in
particular.
But then I was asked to be in anexhibition a couple years ago,
and I'd always kind of had thisthought, I wanted to use one of
my watercolors and I'm veryinterested in nature as a lot of
us are.
Um, and so I thought, wouldn'tit be neat to have these panels
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kind of like trees and they hungand they can hang in different
heights and depths and stuff.
So I used that watercolor.
It's very loosely based, but
Ellyn Zinsmeister (34:45):
You were
Kathie Roig_ Creative (34:46):
inspired by it.
Kathy Roig (34:46):
You know, having a blank canvas, blank warp in
front of you can be like, oh myGod, where do I start?
So it's you, you need somethingthough.
Yeah.
Ellyn Zinsmeister (34:58):
I
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossro (34:58):
I agree.
As I hear you talking, I hearyou talk about like, just this
curiosity and experimentationand just this approach of, I
wonder what would happen if.
Yeah.
And it's really fun to hear thatbecause I think sometimes people
think like, oh, we have to gointo our creative process
knowing what that finaloutcome's gonna look like, or
knowing what something's gonna,how something's gonna end up.
And we often have in our mind,like, if I can't create it, just
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how it is here, then it's notgood enough.
But hearing you talk is justinspiring of like, just approach
it with curiosity.
Ellyn Zinsmeister (35:27):
Have
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (35:27):
fun with it and see what comes of
it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But were you like that as a kid,Kathy?
Um, were you curious andcreative?
Kathy Roig (35:36):
I think so.
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (35:37):
Mm-hmm.
Kathy Roig (35:38):
I think so.
I, uh, I was gonna send you myartist statement.
I never did, but the firstlittle line
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (35:44):
in my artist
Kathy Roig (35:45):
statement is, uh, I remember, uh.
Catching tadpoles in the creeknearby, climbing the tree to
read a book and looking at thepatterns of my grandmother's
quilt.
Catherine (35:58):
Hmm.
Kathy Roig (35:59):
I mean, that is kind of a, in a nutshell, I, you
know, I had a mom in particular,my dad too, that were, pretty, I
mean, they were creative intheir own way, but they were
also not limiting me
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (36:17):
to,
Kathy Roig (36:18):
you know, be curious.
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (36:20):
mm-hmm.
Kathy Roig (36:22):
it, when I, my most favorite thing about teaching
this Warp painting class, and Ihave retired from that.
it's a lot of work to do those.
I go to conferences and guildsit's
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (36:35):
just, you'll teach your friend Ellen
someday, right?
I'll tell everybody
Kathy Roig (36:38):
you wanna come, uh, and stay here, we can do it.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (36:42):
Watch a little baseball.
Kathy Roig (36:44):
Yeah.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cros (36:45):
And, um, but my favorite,
Kathy Roig (36:48):
and it's, you know, people, what do I wanna say?
This class that I was teaching,it's not traditional, like, oh,
you're going to weave overshotpatterns and make, uh, place
mats.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossro (37:03):
A lot of
Kathy Roig (37:03):
times I'll go, what are we gonna make?
And I'm go, well, you're goingto make a piece of fabric that's
eight inches wide and two yardslong and you'll have painted on
it.
And I don't know,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (37:13):
but it is a little bit like
Kathy Roig (37:15):
I have to, I mean, they're already there, so
there's, they are a little bitready for some, um,
experimenting and not knowingwhat it's gonna look like.
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (37:25):
Mm-hmm.
Kathy Roig (37:25):
But yeah, a little bit of it is, you know, like, I
don't know if this'll work.
just try it and we'll find out.
Kathie Roig_ Creative (37:33):
Exactly.
So
Ellyn Zinsmeister (37:33):
so.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (37:35):
Go ahead, Catherine.
Do you ever get to a point inthat experimentation where
you're like, this is notworking, and then what do you
do?
How do you approach thosemoments, um, for yourself?
Kathy Roig (37:46):
well, I'll tell you one ear, which I, I mean, I,
because I, I, it was, this iswhere it didn't work out early
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (37:53):
Mm-hmm.
When I was
Kathy Roig (37:54):
experimenting with this warp painting business and
I was in the studio, uh, Whichhad that back room, that had the
big space.
And there's different types offabric paints,
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (38:06):
Mm-hmm.
As you
Kathy Roig (38:08):
might And, uh.
I, I thought, well, I'm gonnatry this other kind of paint
because I like some of thesecolors and it's a little
thicker, and maybe it'll stay,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (38:20):
it won't move
Kathy Roig (38:21):
much because what, you know, the, the dynaflow
paint just kind of wicks ontothe thread
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (38:27):
for better or
Kathy Roig (38:29):
Um, I mean, you, it is about learning about your
materials.
So, so I tried this other paintand it went on fine and it's
great, and I left, came back thenext day, came back in the
morning, and it, the whole warpwas like all so stuck together.
The paint had you know, it waslike acrylic.
(38:50):
It was too thick
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cr (38:51):
Uhhuh.
And.
Kathy Roig (38:53):
So there was no
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cr (38:54):
saving
Kathy Roig (38:54):
that,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (38:56):
But
Kathy Roig (38:57):
you know, at least I was kind of at the beginning of
the process,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (39:01):
Um,
Kathy Roig (39:03):
so.
So that was like, well that'sjust, and I've learned I'm not
gonna use that paint anymore.
So now you've got Dynaflow andhere's how it behaves.
And you have to learn how, howit moves and how much water you
can use, or how much water youwant it to use or not use.
Catherine (39:21):
mm-hmm.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (39:21):
wanna
Kathy Roig (39:22):
paint the, do I wanna get the yarn wet first and
then apply the paint, or I wannaput the paint down and spritz it
with water, you know, differentthings.
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (39:32):
Mm-hmm.
Um, so,
Kathy Roig (39:35):
so there are many times, and my husband will
attest to this because itprobably happens every time
where I
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cros (39:42):
say,
Kathy Roig (39:43):
oh my God, this is a,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cros (39:46):
This is
Kathy Roig (39:47):
terrible.
Almost just, yeah, this, I, I, Idon't know what I'm doing.
It's all
Ellyn Zinsmeister (39:51):
Oh,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (39:51):
Oh, we don't care for language here.
It's
Kathy Roig (39:53):
whole world.
And he just looks at me and, andhe says, okay, well.
outside for a little bit.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (40:01):
So, um,
Kathy Roig (40:04):
so there are times I feel that way, but you know,
then I do come back and I'mlike, well, maybe it's not so
bad, but, or I'll, I can, if Iget a clear mind
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (40:14):
after
Kathy Roig (40:14):
thinking I've created disaster,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (40:18):
um, painting
Kathy Roig (40:20):
particular, like, well, I could, if I add water,
sometimes you can splotch itwith a paper towel.
You can kind of remove color.
I could add another color.
I also know that once I startweeping, the wet threads can
change things too.
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (40:36):
Mm-hmm.
So, um.
Kathy Roig (40:40):
so I don't know if that answers
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (40:41):
exactly but I kind of, if I,
Kathy Roig (40:46):
if I think I've made a complete mess of it, um.
I'll just walk away for
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossro (40:53):
I love that, that makes sense.
But it usually
Kathy Roig (40:55):
works out
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossro (40:57):
I love that.
It does.
It sure does.
That's so cool.
And, you know,
Kathy Roig (41:00):
helps if you don't have that already idea in your
head, like,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (41:03):
oh, it has to
Kathy Roig (41:03):
to be, it has to be a blue sky in green leaves.
Well, maybe it doesn't, andmaybe it's not a blue sky and
green leaves.
Maybe it's, you know, I don'tknow, a pumpkin patch or
whatever.
Catherine (41:15):
Mm-hmm.
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (41:15):
Mm-hmm.
So,
Kathy Roig (41:17):
um, so actually what that, that leads me into,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossro (41:22):
I don't always know
Kathy Roig (41:24):
what these are gonna turn out to
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (41:27):
But after the fact.
Kathy Roig (41:29):
I'll come, Oh, well that reminds me of
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (41:34):
you know, oh, that is
Kathy Roig (41:35):
like, you know, makes me feel like I'm at the
beach So, because some peopleask me like, where do I get the,
my, the titles?
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (41:44):
And
Kathy Roig (41:46):
um, nine times out of, well, I will say all the
time they come after
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (41:52):
Maybe that five
Kathy Roig (41:52):
panel piece,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossro (41:53):
I might've had
Kathy Roig (41:54):
title over story But, mostly the title
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (42:00):
So, cool with retirement because we
know, like as an artist, youdon't really retire from being
an artist, right?
I mean, it's just part of whoyou're Yeah.
Yeah.
Kathy Roig (42:09):
what I mean.
It's
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (42:10):
very, yeah.
But so now what do you do withyour pieces?
What's coming up in the future?
What are you looking towards?
Kathy Roig (42:17):
um, well, and I'll, I'll preface by saying
retirement means that I don'thave to, I, no, I have my own
accountant.
You know, Ellen.
And, and
Ellyn Zinsmeister (42:30):
I know.
So
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (42:30):
do I.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But, um, what,
Kathy Roig (42:33):
what that means is I don't have to file sales tax and
I don't have to do my inventoryand all that business.
So that's what really whatretired me.
So, um, so, uh, what am I doing?
I'm still doing wall that Idon't always know well, where
(42:56):
they will end up.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (42:58):
Um, but there are, they're not, huh?
They're not for a specificexhibit or a specific request?
Not, no.
Kathy Roig (43:06):
I mean there like this Ohio Craft museum, uh, and
I, I, it was one of the slides Isent you.
I had a piece in it this pastyear,
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (43:17):
mm-hmm.
Kathy Roig (43:19):
which uses the stencil.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (43:22):
Um,
Kathy Roig (43:23):
but they have a show every year and the best of like,
so best of 2026 will be comingup, and I like to enter that
exhibition.
Um, you know, I kind of keep myeye out for other exhibitions to
enter.
Um, but it still comes down to,I have an idea about trying,
(43:47):
what if I try two stencilstogether on one work or, you
know, what if I try this color?
You know, so it's still moreabout,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (43:55):
you know,
Kathy Roig (43:56):
exploring
Ellyn Zinsmeister (43:57):
of creating,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (43:57):
or
Kathy Roig (43:58):
if I pick one of my watercolor paintings watercolor
sketches and try and do that?
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (44:04):
mm-hmm.
Kathy Roig (44:05):
so the, um, and the, the, the group exhibition that I
had given you.
Images and told you about, we'restill looking for other venues
for that to go to.
Um, and so, you know,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cros (44:22):
even
Kathy Roig (44:23):
I have pieces already, I might wanna do
something else instead of someof the pieces.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (44:29):
and I'm, you know,
Kathy Roig (44:30):
like I said, I'm still doing towels, I'm doing
towels for family now too.
And, um, but what I like aboutit, it's just
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (44:38):
like.
Kathy Roig (44:39):
it's a much slower pace and I, I'm okay with not a
deadline.
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (44:47):
gotcha.
And it sounds to me like theactual joy is in the process and
the work, not necessarily theend result as much.
Yeah.
Kathy Roig (44:55):
Yeah.
I mean.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (44:57):
you know,
Kathy Roig (44:59):
I have this closet back there that's filled with
rolled up weaving so that, youknow, it would be nice to have
'em out somewhere.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossro (45:06):
I was gonna ask, yeah.
Do you have hundreds of themstashed away?
Well,
Kathy Roig (45:10):
not hundreds, but I have boxes.
I have, you know, those bigTupperware box or a Rubbermaid
of, you know, bits and pieces offabric from clothing and old,
you know, samples and stuff.
But, you know, I guess as longas I'm
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cr (45:28):
still.
Kathy Roig (45:29):
fascinated with the process of it and, and which I
am, and I still love to makestuff,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (45:39):
just, I can't imagine you're not.
Kathy Roig (45:40):
I know.
Well, and you know, and I didthese quilts.
I did two quilts that, um, wereso much fun.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (45:49):
So you're a weaver turned quilter.
And I'm a quilter turned weaver.
I know, I know.
It's just,
Kathy Roig (45:54):
um, but, uh, it was really a lot of fun and I
reconnected with a childhoodfriend when I moved back here
and, uh, she, she just retiredas a lawyer, but she's been a
quilter years and years andyears.
And she's a, she just, um, sheknows all those little tricks
(46:15):
and everything and it was great.
And she has all the tools so Icould borrow her tools.
Um, so that was fun.
And I'm doing a lot ofembroidery lately.
So, um, you
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (46:26):
know, awesome.
There's,
Kathy Roig (46:27):
you kind of,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (46:28):
as
Kathy Roig (46:28):
with everything
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cros (46:30):
kind of,
Kathy Roig (46:33):
it's all integrated with my life at the time,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cros (46:36):
that makes sense.
that makes a lot of sense.
Catherine, did you have anywhereelse you wanted to go?
I wondered, Kathy, if we couldjust for a moment go through
some of the pictures that youshowed, that you sent us Sure.
And you could just very briefly,um, talk, talk through'em.
Sure.
Um, I think that'd be really funfor people who are joining us on
the video platform.
They can see it.
Yeah.
Um, let me get back to thebeginning of that list.
(46:59):
There we go.
This one?
Kathy Roig (47:01):
Okay.
Yeah.
So this was a, uh, piece thatwas in the exhibition called
What Do, what Do We Protect?
And um, it was a groupexhibition, seven other artists,
um, it was curated by AndreaDowns.
Um, and we all knew each otherwhen we all lived in Charlotte.
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (47:22):
Mm-hmm.
Uh,
Kathy Roig (47:22):
so I moved away.
Andrea moved away.
Uh, but she wanted to put thisgroup of artists together.
Um, mostly it, and it was rightat COVID.
So we were zooming and we werejust being a support group for
each other.
And
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (47:41):
yeah,
Kathy Roig (47:41):
the way we decided let's have a group exhibition.
Uh, and so that's how this kindof evolved.
So in the front, uh, you can seethree, uh, there's a total of
five panels, and that's the,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (47:56):
um, uh,
Kathy Roig (47:58):
overstory Trees That Shelter.
And so this was one that wasbased on, my watercolor, sketch
from the area Metro Parks.
And, it, it's a warp painteddouble weave.
So each layer was painted.
(48:19):
Um, brought together on theloom, can see squares and
rectangles, and that's where thelayers change.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (48:31):
So cool.
Ellyn Zinsmeister (48:32):
So like,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cros (48:33):
like the parts in here where we kind
of see the color blending,that's where it has been painted
and it's kind of makes thatwatercolory
Kathy Roig (48:40):
right.
So, you know,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (48:41):
if I put,
Kathy Roig (48:42):
if I put blue and I put yellow and they,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossro (48:46):
I can mm-hmm.
Kathy Roig (48:47):
add water and they'll blend together, or, you
know, they just kind of, it'skind of, you're familiar with
what ECOT
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (48:55):
Mm-hmm.
kind of
Kathy Roig (48:56):
that effect.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (48:59):
cool.
It's so pretty.
It's just beautiful.
All right.
Kathy Roig (49:03):
And the
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (49:04):
go back.
Kathy Roig (49:04):
in the, the, oh,
Ellyn Zinsmeister (49:05):
back.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (49:05):
The quilt was mine.
Kathy Roig (49:06):
that I did a temperature
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cr (49:08):
Quilt.
Oh, the quilt.
Okay.
Yes.
Kathy Roig (49:10):
Uh, so I did a temperature quilt,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (49:13):
Which I was
Kathy Roig (49:14):
fascinated with.
Temperature quilts.
I love a
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossro (49:16):
a system,
Kathy Roig (49:17):
so
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossro (49:17):
I love a system.
Kathy Roig (49:18):
I did two temperature quilts.
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (49:20):
Mm-hmm.
That quilt
Kathy Roig (49:22):
that you're looking at was, uh, so you choose, um, a
location and a time, and thatwas Columbus, Ohio, 2021.
And you can
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (49:32):
go to the archives
Kathy Roig (49:33):
get all the temperature high and low per
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cros (49:35):
each day for
Kathy Roig (49:36):
that year.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (49:37):
And
Kathy Roig (49:38):
was when I moved back to the Columbus area, which
is where I
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossro (49:42):
I was born.
Kathy Roig (49:43):
And then what you can't see is behind you.
There's another wall like that.
And there's the quilt from 1956.
Which was the year I was born.
So
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cros (49:55):
it's a Oh, cool.
Kathy Roig (49:57):
so you can, the idea is, know, how has the
temperature changed?
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (50:01):
And yeah.
Kathy Roig (50:02):
so it was very, it was very fun.
It was, you know, I chose thecolor palette, but you know,
there's temperature quilts allover the place.
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (50:09):
mm-hmm.
Kathy Roig (50:11):
so,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cr (50:11):
impact of that, the impact has changed.
That's really the contrast ofthe two.
Kathy Roig (50:16):
yeah,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (50:17):
yeah.
Yeah.
Ellyn Zinsmeister (50:19):
That's
Catherine (50:19):
so
Kathy Roig (50:20):
So I can tell you a little more about the double
weave if you want.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (50:26):
Of course.
How I came up with the
Kathy Roig (50:28):
um, it's kind of techie.
Do you want.
I'll, I'll tell, I mean, if it,if you think it's too techy,
then leave it out.
But I, so, um, um,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (50:44):
on double,
Kathy Roig (50:45):
so you have two
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (50:46):
layers.
Kathy Roig (50:47):
layer, layer one and layer two.
And I can make each square aswide as I want for layer one or
layer Um,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (50:57):
so
Kathy Roig (50:59):
in each
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (51:01):
like, layer one
Kathy Roig (51:04):
would, there's, oh, I don't think I can explain it
right
Catherine (51:09):
That's okay.
Kathy Roig (51:10):
And I, you know what?
My battery is getting low on mycomputer.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cr (51:14):
That's okay.
I just wanted to really quicklylook at, um, this one, is this
one of the ones with thestencils?
Kathy Roig (51:20):
Right.
So this is a detail.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (51:22):
Okay.
And it's a detail of, is it, uh,this one?
No, no.
This one?
No.
You don't need, I, I I don'tthink I have the Oh, yep.
Kathy Roig (51:33):
those the only ones you have.
Kathie Roig_ Creative C (51:34):
Mm-hmm.
Kathy Roig (51:35):
Hmm.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossro (51:35):
I have one of you in your studio
as well, but I didn't Right.
Pull that in.
Kathy Roig (51:40):
Well that's a D.
Yeah, I thought maybe
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (51:42):
I,
Ellyn Zinsmeister (51:42):
Let me,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (51:43):
let me, let me look and see real
quick.
Maybe I,
Ellyn Zinsmeister (51:47):
That's
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (51:48):
to see.
Oh wait, I do have it.
Hold on.
I do have that one.
Hold on.
Save image.
So
Kathy Roig (51:53):
this was the piece that was at the Ohio Craft Best
of
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (52:00):
We do have that picture.
It's just not in this download.
Yeah, so that's stencil.
Kathy Roig (52:03):
Um, and, um, you can clearly see it.
So one layer is the yellowbackground with, um, a stencil.
And, um, again, this is doubleweave.
So, uh, I wanted the stencillayer to be a little more
predominant.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (52:22):
so.
Kathy Roig (52:22):
Uh, the back of a double weave piece is the
opposite.
So the second layer is kind ofthat gray, green,
Kathie Roig_ Creative (52:30):
stripes.
Kathy Roig (52:31):
So
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (52:31):
yeah.
That's so beautiful.
And then I was so curious aboutthe dots.
Kathy Roig (52:35):
Dots.
So those are my temperaturerising towels, and I'm making
those like crazy.
They're still a lot of fun.
Um, but they're done on my loomthat I have in my, um,
Kathie Roig_ Creative (52:46):
sunroom.
Um, and
Kathy Roig (52:50):
yeah, so they're just done on a regular floor
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (52:54):
loom.
It's a, those are so cool.
Kathy Roig (52:56):
weave structure called Turn Tate.
And, uh, they're so much fun.
Yeah.
So I've been, I made those andthey, the colors coordinate with
that, with my quilt, but I alsomake them in, um, like a
turquoise.
In fact, I've got a warp woundfor some, like a turquoise and a
(53:17):
turquoise green.
Kind of like your
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (53:19):
quilt behind you,
Kathy Roig (53:20):
Ellen.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (53:21):
Yeah, I was gonna say, I think I
probably need some of those inmy house.
Kathy Roig (53:24):
You
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (53:24):
You might.
It's
Kathy Roig (53:25):
called sea, so I like to name my towels.
Uh, and the blue and green onein turquoise is called sea
glass.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (53:33):
Oh, perfect.
I love that.
Those sound yummy.
Well, we wanna make sure that wewrap up before your computer
dies.
I know.
I'm sorry.
Kathy Roig (53:40):
because I
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossro (53:40):
I moved.
Yeah.
Oh, it's all good.
We're hitting our hour markanyways, so, yeah.
So do you have any advice forpeople who are learning to be
more experimental and justcurious in their creativity, in
their creative processes.
Kathy Roig (53:56):
You only have to please yourself.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (53:58):
Mm.
Kathy Roig (54:02):
You
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cros (54:02):
have to show
Kathy Roig (54:02):
it to anybody.
Catherine (54:04):
Mm-hmm.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (54:04):
Um,
Kathy Roig (54:05):
and, you know, be brave.
but yeah, you only have toplease yourself.
And, to be brave to learn about,especially in weaving and
quilting and the textile, or to,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (54:22):
to,
Kathy Roig (54:23):
to, experiment with your material that you enjoy
handling, whatever that
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cro (54:29):
might be.
Mm-hmm.
Ellyn Zinsmeister (54:31):
I love
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (54:32):
it.
I love that.
Thanks, Kathy.
Ellyn Zinsmeister (54:34):
You're
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cross (54:34):
the best.
You're welcome.
This has been, I have so enjoyedlistening to you and
Kathy Roig (54:39):
Oh,
Ellyn Zinsmeister (54:40):
like
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cr (54:40):
seeing like your curiosity and your
willingness to experiment hasjust been, it's been a
validating for me and justreally enjoyable.
So thank you so much for takingthe time to talk to us today.
Ellyn Zinsmeister (54:49):
Thanks,
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cr (54:50):
Kathy.
Okay,
Kathy Roig (54:52):
Thank you.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Crossr (54:54):
We really appreciate you.
Thank you so much.
Kathy Roig (54:56):
I'll if you need anything else.
Kathie Roig_ Creative Cros (54:57):
will do.
Kathy Roig (54:58):
Okay, bye-Bye.
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