September 3, 2025 • 67 mins
Aired 8/15/25
Creepy Confidential welcomes J.R. Millwood and his "Rebel's Dark Tales of Appalachia"
Rebel's Dark Tales of Appalachia shares collections of strange and unexplained accounts experienced in the foothills and mountains of Appalachia.
On this episode we will feature Mr. Jerry Millwood for a discussion on cryptids and other creature sightings in the foothills of western North Carolina.
Rebel's Dark Tales of Appalachia links:
Tiktok: @casarrebel
Youtube: @casarrebel01
Visit www.creepyconfidential.com for more creepy content.
Creepy Confidential welcomes J.R. Millwood and his "Rebel's Dark Tales of Appalachia"
Rebel's Dark Tales of Appalachia shares collections of strange and unexplained accounts experienced in the foothills and mountains of Appalachia.
On this episode we will feature Mr. Jerry Millwood for a discussion on cryptids and other creature sightings in the foothills of western North Carolina.
Rebel's Dark Tales of Appalachia links:
Tiktok: @casarrebel
Youtube: @casarrebel01
Visit www.creepyconfidential.com for more creepy content.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
The thing Shia.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Sub creeps, and welcome to Creepy Confidential after Dark. I'm Noel,
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shop with our fellow creators and fellow investigators about the
fringe in Fortean world. It gives us a chance to
let down the veil and talk about the world of
weird but in the real world. Tonight, Creepy Confidential welcomes
Jerry Millwood. He is a Western North Carolin, a native,
an Army veteran we love our veterans, and a long
(04:04):
time outdoorsman, tracker and survival enthusiast. Jerry is the host
of Rebel's Dark Tales of Appalachia, which I'm sure you
guys have seen all kinds of me putting out there.
That's the big one. He has been interested in the
paranormal since childhood and now researches cryptids and paranormal activity. Yeah.
(04:25):
He is a member of North Carolina Investigates and the
group Sasquatch Recon and he is making wide muddy footprints
among the Bigfoot community, which I'm very excited for. As always,
questions are going to be answered in the comment section.
We'll try and highlight those as they go. We want
you to feel free and speak up to the class.
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We want to make sure we talk about anything that
you might be interested in. So stay tuned creep Nation
because we have a special treat for you though, a
little piece of home grown Appalachian poetry, horror poetry, which
I'm very excited for. So Creeps. Now onto the show, Subcreeps,
(05:08):
and welcome to Creepy Confidential. Is Mothman really a supernatural
force predicting impending doom? Did Apollo eleven really land on
the moon in nineteen sixty nine? Did you find out
if that was a cult that was living just two
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you got your mail? If these are the things you
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ponder when you should be sleeping, then I would like
to welcome you to Creepy Confidential. I'm your host, Noel,
you're resident Weirdo Wisconsinight I open case files on my
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with time, others are perhaps still happening today in your
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get ready, creeps, it's Creepy Confidential. Good evening. As you
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can see, I have a guest, mister Jerry. Welcome to
the show.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Thank you, it's really good to be here.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Now, do you have a preferred way? Do you like
to be called Jr? Do you like to be called Wood?
Jerry's fine, Okay, very good. Thank you so much for
joining me this evening. I got some questions for you.
I'm very excited that you said yes about reading that
special piece. I know I've mentioned it a few times,
but I'm very excited. But before we get going, other
(06:48):
than my brief introduction, can you tell Creepy Confidential watchers,
what do you do? What do you enjoy a little
bit about yourself.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
A big part of my life out in the woods,
and it has been since since I was a little boy,
for about the past ten years now. Mostly now, when
I'm going in the woods, it's because I'm going to investigate, research,
check out in the area, check on cameras, all that.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
But it's centers are.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Encryptons, but the woods that they're a big part of
at these mountains.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
I am you.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Know, watching of course ajually watching movies and documentaries all
the whole, the whole spectrum of the paranormal. I'm interested
in the entire spectrum of one the other.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
That's mainly what I watched. It's mainly what I read
about me too.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Very cool. Now, what was what was kind of the
first thing that you got interested in. Was it something
that was more on the paranormal we'll say the word ghost,
or was it more on the kind of fringe cryptid side.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
It was a paranormal thing for me because when I
was five years old into when I just after I
turned six, my parents had built a new house at
the foot of a mountain and I had my own bedroom,
and I started waking up in the night numerous nights,
and there would be a dark figure standing.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
In my doorway, filled up the entire doorway.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
I would scream my head off and my mom and
dad or dad would get up and get me, and
she started turning the hallway light on for me. But
that made it worse because there was something standing in
that door and it terrifies me to this day.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
I still have more dreams about it but it also hooked.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Me even at that young age.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Yes, it you know, I asked a question becauseillion times
to my mom, what is this? And of course she
said it was probably just bad dreams, but I clearly
I was. And then in nineteen seventy five, I was
what was I eight, seven or eight? My grandfather took
me to see the Movie's Legend of Boggie Creek. And
(09:13):
I'm fifty eight now, so yes, I was a kid
in the seventies and that movie. Like so many other
people in my generation, that movie got my attention as
far as big footballs.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Okay, I got to write that down.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Creek is the grandfather of all big foot movies. That's
where it all started. That was the world's first docu
horror movie named Charles B. Pearce who lived in Arkansas
and the tales of the Bogga Pree intrigued him.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
He collected the stories and then made a movie.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Very cool, it's very bad, A little bit of both.
Now with your kind of the main thing that I
see that you're involved with, you know, talk and things,
that is this what you call rebels dark Tales of Appalachia? Now,
is this a project that's just you or is this
multiple people.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
I am in a couple of groups, but that project
is just me. I started collecting stories back in twenty twenty.
It was it was an accident that turned out to
be a good accident because.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Fox the network.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Fox contacted the store where I worked here, a little
country store, you know, that's the center of town. We
don't have a town hall. And they said, we're coming
to do a documentary on nobby. Now that's what we
call our big foots here in the South Mountains of
North Carolina.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
We call them nobby.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
And they said, asked the store owner, but said, we
want to set up at your store. Do you know
anybody that we could interview? And she knew we were close,
she knew that I had had encounters, she knew that
I had talked to some people, and she put me
in contact this guy and I said, yeah, I'll do it.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
But at the time I wasn't ready to be out
in the public eye.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
I said, I want you to silhouette me, and I
want you to disguise my voice, and.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
They said okay.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
We filmed it in June of twenty twenty and it
came out January of twenty twenty. One and they silhouetted me,
but they neglected to disguise my voice. Oh dear okay
in three counties knew it was the guy that works
at the store. But the most amazing thing happened. People
started coming there to tell me their stories.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Well because a lot of people don't like telling their
story because.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Afraid too, but people want to tell their stores. And
said maybe. I mean I knew everybody by the end.
By then I had worked there for a year and
had you know you have in a place like this
small town, super small town America, you know everybody, you
build a rapport. I guess I had one people's trust,
and one by one, people started coming and telling me
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their stories. In most cases they said, well, you know,
we want to be anonymous. Some said I don't care,
but most of them, most of them have never told
their story outside of maybe just a couple of people in.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
The inner circle. And it went from there.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I said, well, I'm gonna write a book, but somebody suggested,
you know, you can do TikTok now m hm. So
I started doing my stories on TikTok, and being that
it's ten minute segments on TikTok, I feel like it's
been successful and eleven one hundred followers. It's hard to
keep people's attention these days, and I refuse to budge
(12:40):
from my ten minute episodes.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Good for you.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
That's the thing I love most about this.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
It's just hearing other people's experiences and of course telling
about our experiences.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
That, yeah, I love that. I think that nowadays it's
all about fry How quick can I get their attention?
If you don't have them in a half a second,
they just keep dunes grolling and they're gone. They don't
The art of listening to a story is gone so
or not even a story, you know some an encounter
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perhaps is a better way to describe it. But that
was something I was I was curious about that now
that one I want to come back to this question now.
During a recent interview that that I watched of you,
you mentioned purchasing a book as a child called Bigfoot
by b and Slate, and oh you have it. That's
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one of my questions. That's one of it. I was curious,
so was this your first book about unusual things like
all of them?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Or it was my friend? My mother.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Indulge me and she let me start buying the ghost
story books at every time.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
The Scholastic book change is good.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Mm. But I saw that book and I bet I
read it five times that year that I bought it,
and it just intrigued to this day. It's one of
the best books of the morning. And they covered it.
They cover things. It's amazing because in the seventies when
it was written, they covered some things that we really
(14:17):
didn't start talking about in the mainstream research and investigation
until recently, like the mind speak or esp.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
And things like that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Very if you can find it. You can find it
on the internet. You can find it on Amazon if
you get lucky. Most of the time they're used copies.
I don't think it's in print anymore. No.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I looked for one because I heard you mention it.
And I'm a huge bibliophile. This side and this behind
me is just nothing but books, and they're all to
what I do. They're not like you know, for through
like romance books or anything. So I immediately looked it
up and I say, don't make it and it's it's
not like a five dollars book. It's a hot commodity.
So I was I am very glad you still have it.
(14:59):
That was one of my questions now of the since
you've read it so many times, do you have like
a favorite I'll say passion passage slash chapter that readers
should really hone in on.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
S Nattie.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
There's several things that grabbed my attention right away. The
story of Eight Canyon when the miners This was I
forget what years, like a hundred years ago, maybe a
little more than a hundred, and these guys were minding
deep in the hills of California. That night they were
attacked by sashquatch creatures throwing the rocks at the cabin
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and trying to break in. And then there's a story
of a fella who had an encounter where there was
this esp this psychic connection going on with the creature.
If you can find a book, you will you will
zip through it because it will grab me.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I have it in my cart I just haven't bought
it yet, so I was like, I have to. It's
on my list. So that's one of my next ones.
I like to I kind of constantly have a small
flow of books coming in throughout the week. So I'm
glad thank you for sharing that with us. Now, since
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I mentioned about the books. Do you have any other
books about Appalachian creatures perhaps or tales that you suggest
that I should also add, Oh yeah, do you have
do you have like like one night one or two
that comes to come to mind?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
The Monsters of the Tar Hill State is a fairly
new book. Okay, well, Tar Hill State.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
David Weatherley, Okay, the big book Case book.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
The updated version is okay, really good book.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
And it features my hometown in a number of areas
in this book. Oh gosh, uh, I'll tell you this.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Is beyond Boggie Creek.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Lyle Blackburn who has extensively researched the Boggy Creek phenomena,
the the you know, the creature that the whole movie
was based based on. He has exhaustively researched that, and
that's a really good book.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
And then finally.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
There's a series of books written by a fellow named
George Lunxford who was on the n c I team
with me, Monsters of the.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
World, Monsters.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Legends, Myths and Monsters and Ghosts North American Edition and Legends, Myths,
Monsters and Ghosts USA Edition. And they're really there. They're
reference book for people who were in rented.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yes, I love that. You could just turn Oh my gosh,
I could do the same. You just turn around. You're like,
you mean these I have all of these books ready
for you.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
I refer to them constantly when i'm you know, when
i'm right or doing research, so I keep them handy.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Plus I have more.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Oh, I love it. I was like I started to
write them down. I'm like, oh, yeah, I have this
on a recording, so I have to go back. I'm
going to have to write down a lot of those.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Now you mentioned, go ahead, I'll send you lis.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Oh, I love it. Thank you so much. Now, when
that when we first got started, you mentioned nobby and
that that is what you call bigfoot in where you
are now. In another interview, I heard you use the
word booger. Can you please explain to me what that is.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Well, that's one of the old school words for anything
unknown that's in the woods or or I mean, it
can refer to anything from a ghost to a big foot.
And it goes back to a Cherokee word that was
boudein and it you know, you know how languages evolve,
and over time here in the mountains, it just kind
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of spread out and got turned into the word booger.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Did Cherokee you do a special dance to ward off bad.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Spirits and and monsters and think they call it the
booger dance, and they wear booger masks. So that's where
that came from. But booger is the ketchup for anything scared.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
That is because I you were was it this describing
something that happened in a cornfield that was probably like
maybe your first encounter and you use the word booger,
was like, I'm just I'm a northern Wisconsin. I I'd
never heard that word before, and so was that your
(19:37):
first in that one you're talking about you saw this
creature in this cornfield? Can you talk a little bit
about that and how like was that the first time
that you kind of ran into one?
Speaker 4 (19:48):
It's that was that wasn't the first time I had
seen signs or heard vocalizations, but that was the first
time I laid my eyes on My wife and I
was coming home late on a Thursday night, August betweenty seventeen,
and we turned onto a road and to the left
was the cornfield. Being in August, the corner was fully
grown and as the lights swept the cornfield. As we
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were turning right onto that road. There it stood. And
it took a second to register with me. I'll tell
you this, the massiveness of what I was seeing. The
broad shoulders. It was taller than the corn stalks.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
And that's quite tall in August.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
I mean, oh yeah, it was set seven and a
half seven seven and a half until at least at
five hundred pounds more maybe more.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
And it took a second register and I hit the brakes.
My wife kept her eye on it, and I backed
up the car. My intent was to shine the light
onto the corn but by the time I got in position,
it had gone into the corn. But you could see
its head in the distance. It was moving away from us.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Especially if it's that tall. I mean, that's that's huge.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
You see the carn beside of it being, you know,
bending in. It was considerably taller than the corner.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Wow. Do you remember when that was? Like what year?
Speaker 3 (21:18):
That's the twenty seventeen, twenty oh.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
So I'm not that long ago, Okay. I thought it
maybe would have been farther farther in the past. Now
with that encounter, it have and because that was fairly recent,
even back to like I always asked my other fellow
military friends this, when you were in did you ever
have some sort of encounter or witness something unexplainable either.
(21:44):
I know it might not have been a bigfoot, but
something like aliens or flying anything, something that was outside
of the spectrum of normal.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Yes, a couple of things.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
When I was at Fort Bragg, we were out on
just the train and field training exercise way on the
south end of Fort Bragg, and there was some new guys.
We had some downtime, and and none of them. They
were all from you know, city areas. They'd got been
they've got to the woods, in the forest sun, you know,
throughout training, but it had never been on just a
(22:16):
leisurely high They asked me if I would take him
on a hike, and we went a couple of miles
and we found a place that was it was a
small cliff and there were so many dead animals at
the bottom of that.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
H time.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
I wished I would have scaled down that cliff and looked, looked,
looked at them closer. Sure, And then over time I
was I was sent Central America several times some some
strange things down there.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Some of the locals.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
We had a Honduran captain who was like an out
of shade signed our unit and he was telling us
stories about like therefore they have like a big foot
down in Honduras.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
And he had also been in a Nicaragua.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
And I didn't see anything or hear anything, but I
got to hear the things that he said. He witnessed
a lot of weird lights the times I was out
west at National Training Center Center at Fort Irwin, California
and Dougway Proven Grounds in Utah.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
A lot of UFOs, a.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Bunch, I mean that checks out. That seems to be
a very big hot spot kind of that quarter in
that corner. That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
We would way out in the desert there in Dougway
Proven Grounds in Utah.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Just see the strangers things above us in the sky.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
And there were also we saw some lights like in
the mountain, more like orbs or something moving really fast.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Were I wish that they would have like a like
a compendium of people that are all willing to come
together and talk about what they've seen in the military.
But maybe out of fear, maybe it's out of they
don't want people to think they're nuts. I don't know.
But it would be so interesting. I think military we're
(24:08):
lucky and veterans, we kind of have people tend to
believe you a little more because you have to have
a certain that you know something to you This not
like an average person integrity that some maybe not everybody
has integrity. But it would just be cool. I think.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
It's going to happen. Now is the time, because it's
the military that led to you know, the congressional testimonies
that we saw a couple of years ago. Now u
AP pile violence, American military pilots cruise. Yeah, I think
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I think that can be done with a black person.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I wish it would be so interesting, And especially now
they're starting to see, well not starting, but you're just
hearing about it more frequently, where these overhead views of
big bodies of water and you can it looks like
something it's not a ship, it's something else, or they
say things are coming in and out of it. Now
we have the technology to kind of watch these areas. Again.
(25:12):
I just wish everybody get their stuff together and be
able to put a big book about it. And you mentioned,
you know, being where you are, you mentioned that you
had spent a lot of time outdoors, and that's another part.
You know, you're taking care of your critters and whatnot.
I understand that. Have you ever had doing that? Have
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you ever been outside and seen more of this like
we'll say alien or ufo because you can see the
sky so much differently when you're in without all this
light pollution. Have you seen anything like that now just
being outside casually?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Yeah, a lot, we have. We have a history of
that d in this area.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
I've got it been fortunate enough a few times to
get things on video. The most remarkable thing that I've
captured on videos we were doing a night hike and
we were on a.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Ridge and they're in the trees.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
About seventy five yards away from us was a dancing
red light and a dancing green light, and they.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Were just moving and it was almost like butterflies dancing.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I got two separate.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Yes, two separate lights, but they were moving back and
forth and up and down and past each other, and
it reminded me of a way a butterfly might fly.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
That's a good analogy though, because then you can understand
that they always they don't collide. They kind of move
around each other freely, and they know where each other
where they are. I am yet to come across something
like that. Everybody always talks about stuff, and I am
yet to come across that, So I'm always interested.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
We see some strange lights here in this area that
are on the ground in the distance.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
We see lights in the trees, and we also see
lights in the sky. Usually there are orange lights in
the sky. Sometimes there are a bright white light. And
a few times I personally witnessed this bright light, bright
white light in the trees, except that was moving at
a phenomenal rate.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Wow, while while trying to go through the branches and whatnot.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
And it leads me to believe that it was supernatural
because it was able to negotiate through those trees without
hitting anything in the foliage here in the foothels of
Appalachia is very I was able to get that on video.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
That's why speaking of you know, they always there's all
these tales and things that you should and shouldn't do
in these in the forests of Appalachia. You know, do
you have have you have you heard of some of
these where it's like if you hear your name called,
you should not respond, or things of that nature. Do
(27:57):
you follow any sort of like folklore that has become
rules to you.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I do.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
My great grandparents help raise me and my brother when
we were young, and they were old school. They came
out of the country to go to work and textile
mills around here. So you close your curtains at night
to the extent that you pen the curtainship.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Oh and the rule of if you hear your name called.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
In a mysterious way, especially if you're you're in the
woods or next to the words, turn around and leave whistling.
Whistling is not something you want to do at night.
And if you hear whistling in the woods, you want
to turn around and evacuate the The one that I
(28:44):
follow is this though, it's if you get a strange feeling,
if you if you just get an odd feeling, that
that's it.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
It's time to leave. And I've always followed that.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah, that's just your gut telling you something's wrong. We're
equipped with certain you know, I don't know, I said,
our spidy senses that are our meat suits are telling
us that something's awry. So exactly, I've even if like
(29:18):
we didn't have anything like that up up like in Wisconsin,
I don't remember any anything that was kind of passed
down like that or you shouldn't, but it was always
I think it was just to protect most. Don't be
on in the woods at night. You have no idea
what's out there at nighttime. And I remember getting to
play in the woods of northern Wisconsin where there is nothing.
It's just a different type of woods than than where
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you are. And once again, my grandpa would always joke
about how I can't wander far or the yetti will
get me. He always chose the word YETI, which was
kind of strange to me now, but it was, you know,
could have just been to protect me. Did growing up
you know, did you have elders that would do things
like this or tell you so so and so was
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in the woods or creature was in the woods to
protect you.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Book that's what bookers will get you.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
The little people come from Cherokee ancestry and Cherokee culture.
The little people, and the little people can be are
usually good, but sometimes they'll snack bad children. So my
great grandfather used to tell us that Mary fact you said,
if you misbehave, I will take you out there.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
And leave you.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I will give you to them. That that's quite sinister,
but also something I think my paw would have done. Absolutely.
Now I wrote you brought some photos. You know, you
sent me some photos, so I don't necessarily have them
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in like an order per se. But can we take
a moment and talk about these pictures that you sent me.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
I don't even remember which ones I sent you, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Let's good. Then then it's a surprise. So give me
just second. Here, I'm gonna move this around a little bit,
turn that down just a smidgee. Here we go. Okay,
So how about it. I'll scan through them and you
tell me which one you want to talk about first.
So there's this one, this one, this one, okay, and
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this one.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Let's talk about the very first one with the knife
land on first.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah, So for the people that are going to listen
to this on audio later, if you can kind of
describe the setup of this photo and then what we're
looking at here.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Okay, that's not too ofteny far from my house. And
it was under a bridge, an old bridge that spans
one of the major creaks around here, and a friend
of mine and.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
I were going out there.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
There had been reports of well feral people and somebody
had reported seeing a really strange looking person in the
vicinity of this bridge, and it was you know, postulated
that maybe a feral person was living under the bridge,
so we went to check it out, and that was
the first time that I ever found bigfoot tracks.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
So, now is a feral person. When you say a
feral person, are you talking about like a homeless person
or is this like a specific type of thing that
is a feral person.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Well, the definition of feral person can be broad, but
here in the Appalachian Mountains we have a long ago.
There were a number of times since Europeans settled the area,
but actually the Cherokee had this type of thing too,
where people were just attached from society and go deeper
into the wilderness and you know, have their own little,
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small micro communities. And I believe that, I believe they
do exist. And that's the kind of feral person that
I that people were thinking they were seeing, or somebody
who just lived in the woods full time, not attached
to society.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
And they're out here, definitely out here.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
I've never seen one, but I've collected the number of
stories where eyewitnesses have had run into it. But on
this particular day, when we looked down to see if
anything was under bridge, we noticed tracks. There was three
separate sets of tracks, different sizes, and I sent you
this photograph because this was the largest, about a thirteen
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inch track. But the big deal is how it was
depressed more than two inches into that dirt.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeah, I was noticing that too.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
And in the middle of the track, you'll see an
area it's called the mid tarsal break and prime a
big foot when they stepped, there's an area in the
middle of their foot that does not depress the because
it's hinged, okay, And these tracks.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Had that breck in them.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
And to give you an idea on the weight, it's
like I said, there were more than two inches pressed
into the dirt.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I weigh at the time.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
I weighed about one ninety and I went about three
fourths of an inch into the dirt wearing my boots,
and then I would stamp and I would go about
an inch and a half. So you know, you're you're
talking upwards of four or five hundred pounds. But there
were there were sets of tracks, three different sizes, So
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there were three individuals that they were just walking down
that creek, and they sure wandered along on the side
of the creek.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
And left us some tracks and I noticed though this
it can't be a shoe because the toes it's pointed
and slanted like a foot, right, But it's not like
a barefoot, you know. I'm just trying to be observing
of the print itself, and I'm not trying to debunk
it or not. It's just something that if again, if
you're listening, you know, hopefully you can come back and
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see this. It's it's a big it's a big print.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Wow. Okay, photographs of prints never do them justice.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
And at the time I didn't have plaster of Paris
and my kid. I never thought I would find a
good track like that. I had found partial tracks that
weren't castable, and that day I said, I'm going to
get me some plaster of Paris and always have it
on me.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
We got a comment from ghost Dog says they're in
the Pacific Northwest too, So that's actually that's mister creep,
that's my hobby. We lived out in Washington State. Well
he lived there way longer than I did. But there's
tracks like this all all over. People talk about them
all the time, so it's on both sides. That's crazy. Okay, Oh, oh,
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feral people. He's talking about feral people. I didn't know that,
So more to it. Okay, which one do you want
to What about this one?
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Yeah, we'll do that. That was at a different bridge.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
That was actually the bridge across the Broad River here
in western North Carolina. It was a little used dirt road.
The bridge was old, didn't even have side rails on it,
and so I started checking the bridges around me every chance.
I got this print. There's a couple of reason it
stands out. This one is depressed about three inches into
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the ground.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
But here's the biggest part.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
That one track was in the middle of the sandbar,
and the water's edge from the water's edge to the
track was more than was about fifty inches, and then
from the track to the other water's edge was about
forty nine inches. So this the maker of this track
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cleared that with one step and.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Was like going that's and you can almost tell it jumped.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Like it was it was running by the dirt splashed
down on one side, and it was such it had
such a stride that it cleared that sandbar with just
one step.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Wow, And the sand looks kind of. It doesn't look
super salty. It looks like it would hold a little bit.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
Yes, it's a hard packed it's a hard packed sand
especially if it if it had it had rained recently,
which wet the sand, which made it more like concrete.
Saw the depth of it and then the stride six
hundred pounds eight feet tall.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Wow, that's the best track that I've ever found.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
And there and and in terms of investigating it, that
one was easy because no one would have been able
to get out to the middle of that sandbar to
fake the track, never mind the logistics of how to
get that thing three inches into the ground, you know,
if they were using some kind of cut out, because
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again it's it's very hard packed dirt.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
So that.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
Track and shortly shortly after we photographed that track and
got back in my friend's brand new ge we continued
along that dirt road and got about, I don't know,
a couple hundred feet away, and a rock come out
of the woods and hit the top of his new
jeep and left a huge gouge in the top of
his jeep.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Oh my gosh, someone was mad that you were there.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
The gunshot went off, and I thought, that's what had happened?
He said no, and he's yelling. He said no.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Something a rock or something hit the top.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
Of the the jeep just above me, and I saw
it bounce into the woods on the other side of
my peripherals.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
I said, you want to stop and check on your jeep?
He said, no, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
So it's not just like some idiotic ape like creature,
like it's thinking it knows you're there, doesn't like it.
It's got the whole the whole thing. Yes, all right?
And then what about this one? So you got a
track of something?
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
That was from spring of this year when some of
my colleagues in NCI, which is North Carolina Investigates came.
I wanted them to come and see a couple of
deer kill sites. I found something very unusual, a bunch
of deer over time that had been killed in a
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very condensed area, and they had like broken necks, legs
that had been just completely ripped off, fractured horribly fractured
in crushed ribs. And then I found a second kill
site area and they came up and we were hiking
to the to the first deer kill site area and
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there was a small creek, or as we call them
around here, a branch, and had just a narrow swath
of mucky soil where the little branch crossed the path.
And there was one extremely good track. There was some others,
but they weren't castable, but this one was almost perfect.
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And this one went fourteen inches and about five hundred
and fifteen pounds of pressure is what it would have
took to sink them.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
That foot into the ground sufficiently.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Wow. Now do you have some sort of because I mean,
that's just trying to think math wise, trying to figure
out how big the creature had to be to depress
a certain size, Like you have charts and stuff that
can kind of help you figure it out, or you
just kind of you know, this creature caused this, so
this did this kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Now you you.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
Me, as an investigator, I will step the step near
the track and first see how much you know, how
much my track sinks mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Then then from there it's this path.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
You know, see if I sink my track deep and
it's two and a half inches deep, you.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Just go from there and mm hmm. And it's very reliable.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
And I'll also stomp on the ground to see how
deep I can go and stopping test the ground and
sees how easy it would have been for a hoax
or to stomp and make the track.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Right, Okay, that makes sense. Now this foot has that
same like if it had toes the small toe to
the big toe. It's that angle again, really steep angle
where a lot of the prints you find it's almost
like they have these I'll use the word hoki, but
I know that's not the right word, where it's almost
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like they have bubble toes across the top. You'll have
to excuse my I'm probably not describing it correctly, but
this is like right, it's like you're kind of picking
up what I'm putting down. Where this one it's more
it's like a very large foot that's from you know,
toe tip to heel. It doesn't look like a big
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like you said, wooden foot or whatever.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
There's a lot of things to look at when you're
looking at a track. One of them when you're talking
about the bubble toes, if they're so perfect that you
can see each toe perfectly, then it's probably a fake
track because you know us included. But when when bipedal
creatures walk, there's Hallmark, like they dig into the ground
with your bare toes and it's going to throw some
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dirt back. And this one, this one was a no
doubt in my mind, all the tracks that I'm selling,
the nine on here, one hundred percent, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
We're bonafide tracks, sasquatch.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Tracks, and I like I like these I've sent and
I've gone to a couple of different i'll say, conventions
or get togethers where they're showing off their casts. Although
between you and I and this table right here, a
lot of the bigfoot people aren't aren't really receptive to
someone like myself, who is, you know, maybe new or
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a little too bubbly, I don't know. So it's nice
to have comparison of you know, I can talk to
you about this and actually be able to discuss what
you found, how you found it. And these these prints,
like the ones you're showing, are so much better than
some of the others that I've seen that they look
they look like they have perfect toes and perfect heels,
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and they look fake, you know. For these these just
look like a really long, large human ish foot.
Speaker 4 (44:03):
Both groups that I'm in, which is n CI, North Carolina, investigates.
And I'm also in a group called sasquat Rican. We
have an absolutely ironclad rule if someone is called hoaxing
or faking, no questions asked, immediately dismissed from the group
and will never be allowed to return. And I have
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met the folks with the tracks that just look hokey.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
They look suss.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Yeah, oh yeah, what the kids say nowadays. So sus.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
I was fortunate enough to get, you know, some of
these guys who were veteran big foot hunters to teach
me some things about looking when you look at the tracks.
But the biggest thing really is where you find the tracks.
And the places that I these tracks were, you know,
remote areas. I found the track two years ago in
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an extremely remote area and they were little baby sasquatch prints.
And the thing is we were in so deep in
the wilderness that I knew immediately was no kid's track,
and and and the anatomy was different anyway. So it's
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the where you find the tracks. If I'm going to
take the time to be a numbskull and hoax something
these people, there's people that do it. I'm going to
do it in a place where I know people is
going to find my work, you know.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Right, so that your work was for something right.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
And where where I found the tracks are very highly
inaccessible areas. It'll take a lot of doing to get there,
to crawl down the creek banks go into the river.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
I have seen faked tracks, but those tend to.
Speaker 4 (46:07):
Be in areas where there's more, you know, more people,
more traffic near a trails and that type of thing.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
Well, I'm I'm excited to see prints that like this,
So thank you for sharing those ones with us. Now,
the last picture that I have of the ones you sent,
I am unable to kind of make out what I'm
looking at here, So can you talk me through this one?
Speaker 3 (46:35):
Yeah, back in early June, when.
Speaker 4 (46:40):
I went out to check on my livestock, I have
outpackas and goats and they were all gathered on the
eastern side of the pasture fence and the goats were
completely against the fence and the three well, at the time,
I had four out packers and they were all in
a set up in like a perimeter. They had their
ears up and there's an alarm call that the alpha
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will always do when when something is wrong, and so
my alpha was making this alarm noise, and I knew
immediately that something was going on. And I come back
in the house and get my phone and my bigger spotlight,
and so I just started spotlighting. I caught movement in
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my peripheral vision and I panned further to the west,
but I didn't see whatever I saw move I had
lost it. I couldn't couldn't find it. I took myself
one and I used them as kind of like monoculars
and zoomed all the way. In the last fifteen seconds
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of that, the whole video was, I don't remember, close
to two minutes long. From the from the right of
the photograph, this entity walked out. It was like it
was improved us to me and then kind of turned
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and walked off into the darkness. But if you'll see
the fence post.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
In the picture, mm hmm, over here, I sium there's
six and a half feet tall. Oh, and you see
the figure in the picture is quite over it. And also.
Speaker 4 (48:27):
Where it's standing below that fence is actually a little
about three feet lower in elevation. So if you do
the math, you know you're talking about an extremely large things.
And this is a straight cell phone camera. It's not
a night vision image.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
So the light is actually.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
That's its actual color, and it's for a sasquatch.
Speaker 4 (48:53):
It you know, appears to be a lot thinner than
a sasquatch.
Speaker 3 (48:58):
In the community.
Speaker 4 (48:59):
The people I've shown it to, most people agree that
that's what it is. It's a big it's a sasquatch,
and it's an and that it's you know, being an
older one, it's lost body weight.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
I immediately went to because Paranormal was kind of i'll say,
my wheelhouse with with different spirits and entities and you
see all kinds of interesting photographs and art and it
has like a teal light blue color to it. Is
that just is that like just gray essentially? Is that
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what we're seeing in.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
This particular photograph.
Speaker 4 (49:37):
I went in and and changed the coloration a little
bit to try to make the silhouette stand out more. Okay,
it may have changed the tent someone And then I
sent the video to somebody who knew what they were doing,
and they produced me some steel shots.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
I wish that'll send you some of those, and.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
Well that but that helps me a lot knowing that
because when you do adjust the contrast and color blue
is a color that comes through quite often, so that
makes sense. But it had to be really tall.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (50:12):
And that was at a distance from me about sixty
yards give or take.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
So it's long. I mean, it's tall and skinny, but
it's large.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
It is a large creature large. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Wow. See, that's why I think about living in the woods.
My husbands talked about living out in the country. I'm like,
this is what you gotta.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
Worry about now.
Speaker 4 (50:38):
There there have been people in our circle, you know
that that some people have descended and said, no, that's
not a sasquatch. That's that's some kind of supernatural entity.
That's a ghost or a ray, a rake or this.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
Because that's what it looks like. Is a rape? Is
it a rake?
Speaker 3 (50:58):
Reef right? A ray a wraith? And I think there's
one called a rake.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
Yeah, but they're these Like that's what my brain went to.
So great you have both living around you.
Speaker 4 (51:12):
I'm definitely not one hundred percent convinced that it's a sasquatch.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
I don't know, I don't know, I might I might
call it.
Speaker 4 (51:21):
I'm sixty percent sure it's an older sasquatch, but about
forty percent of me says, yeah, you know, that could
be a paranormal one. One person in particular who's who's
like a paranormal medium told me that that was something
that was really evil down there in those wounds.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
On they have and he said, he goes rake, I'm out.
He's like, nope, And that's I think there. There is
a lot of mojo, call it whatever you want to
use in that whole mountain range because it goes, it extends,
you know, beyond it was before you obviously know that,
but before the everything broke apart, and it just seems
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like there is so much craziness that happens that there
has to be something. There's still part parts of the
woods that people haven't seen in eons. Yep, And all
sudden one night they start wandering out looking for critters humans,
they're just curious. Who knows, Like, ugh, it's crazy now
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that I have an idea, it's a creepy picture.
Speaker 4 (52:26):
You never know, when we refer to them as juvenile
or roads will break away from the pack deeper into this,
deeper into the wilderness and get this itch, this drive
to go out in civilization, and you'll you'll have areas
that'll have you know, suddenly they'll have an epidemic of sightings.
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We had that happen here in the South Mountains area
in nineteen seventy eight, nineteen seventy nine. And sometimes it's
just one breaks off from the klan they call the
popular term is a family of a more group of
big foods called the clean, and you'll have a roade
break off and just decide that they're bold enough to
go into, you know, closer to civilization, and they just
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don't really care much about people seeing them. You certainly
had a time period like that, and I researched that
and exhaustedly, and you got to talk to some of
the witnesses, and that's what that was back back in
the day.
Speaker 3 (53:27):
It's just like being human. You know who's going to be.
Speaker 4 (53:29):
The ones that usually make the dumbest decisions the teenagers.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
Right, yeah, I want to do it by myself. Okay,
go ahead, run away.
Speaker 6 (53:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (53:42):
The jubil sasquatch uh. And I'm convinced around here in
this area we have a number of juveniles who just
do mischievous things. Come into the backyard and scatter lawn furniture,
or break into the feed barrels in the barn and
things like that drag stuff out of the barn down
into here, just just for mischief.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
Because there's I mean, are you are you not close
to other families where you are like, you.
Speaker 4 (54:10):
Mean, we have a little I live in a tiny,
little community. That's most of everything that happens around here
is at late at night.
Speaker 6 (54:19):
Right.
Speaker 4 (54:20):
Some areas that are deeper into you know, deeper into
the wilderness, you can you can have these kind of
encounters day or night, but here, it's from their standpoint,
it's better to remain nocturnal because your chances of having
to run in with a human, you know.
Speaker 3 (54:37):
As much less.
Speaker 4 (54:39):
Ninety eight percent of all the vocalizations we've heard around
here has been at ninth I've never I've seen one
of these creatures two different times in August twenty seventeen
and in December of twenty nineteen, and that was that
was at night. So it's a night time thing around here.
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But there's other places. We went into a research area
deep in the mountains this past weekend and it was
so far out in the middle of everything, I mean,
it was it was in the middle of the middle.
We had a you know, we had bona fide experience
that day. That's where that's where you have to go
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is the middle of the middle of the new world.
If you want to if you want to force your
having any count.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
Then you you're in danger.
Speaker 3 (55:32):
Like you you know, you don't want to go by
yourself into these areas.
Speaker 4 (55:37):
A history of violence by these creatures toward people here
in the Appalachian Mountains that the worst that it usually
involves rock throw.
Speaker 3 (55:49):
But by the same token, we don't know what else
is out.
Speaker 4 (55:52):
There, and we know that there's been a lot of
people who have gone out by themselves who just.
Speaker 3 (55:57):
Disappeared gone.
Speaker 2 (56:00):
Yeah, like no sign of anything of them, right.
Speaker 3 (56:06):
No backpack, no nothing, just gone.
Speaker 2 (56:12):
I can't imagine like I would just from a survival standpoint,
I would not load up my backpack and say I'm
going to walk by myself in the middle of the
Appalachian Mountains anywhere, like any mountain range for that matter,
is just not safe. But you have no idea what's
out there, which is wild, absolutely wild. Now as a segue,
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I guess talking about you have no idea what's out there?
Is that? Is that something that inspired you to write
this piece of scary poetry.
Speaker 4 (56:48):
The thing that inspired me was an actual encounter. And
I have dogs of blunch or dogs. Some of them
I have to put on a leash and I have
to take them out late at night, the.
Speaker 3 (56:58):
Wall of them.
Speaker 4 (57:00):
And I was walking one of them one night and
down in the in the holler below my house now
in the creek bottom, there was suddenly this long, deep
frequency basy howl and it rose in volume.
Speaker 3 (57:20):
It's it was deep, and it rose a little bit
in pitch, but it rose in volume and it got
louder and louder and louder.
Speaker 4 (57:30):
And you talk about an instance where I had that
bad feeling, and right now as I'm talking about it,
I'm having that.
Speaker 2 (57:37):
So it still it still gets you.
Speaker 4 (57:39):
It does.
Speaker 3 (57:40):
It was the scariest sound I've ever heard in my life,
and it was.
Speaker 4 (57:45):
Maybe at the most one hundred yards downhill, and that
it put fear in me.
Speaker 3 (57:52):
It put genuine fear in me.
Speaker 4 (57:54):
And I turned around and took the dog back inside,
and the the other dogs that I needed to walk
came a few feet off the porch. I kept my spotlight.
I was like a nervous spider monkey caffeine and in
marijuana or something. I was I was watching with the
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perimeter with my spotlight and hoping the dog would hurry up.
But it made a very very big impact on me
that night because it's evil, it sounded scary.
Speaker 2 (58:28):
And just and I'm even just listening to the words.
I was like, this had to come from something you
know that happened to you. Wasn't just you got oh
an idea like it sounds that sounds like that. I
can't imagine who. No, thank you. And dogs are usually
pretty good about there's something out there. We have a dot,
we have our we just have one. But she she
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senses things way before we do. So when I go hiking,
if she doesn't want to go somewhere, we don't go
that way. Plain and simple.
Speaker 4 (58:59):
So absolutely tried and true, true rule to follow. Watch
your animals. They will tell you. That's why I observed
the behavior of learning pasture animals. Every night I go
check them, because they will tell you. Your dog will
tell you they either gonna get very aggressive or they're
gonna tucktail, and only that another way.
Speaker 2 (59:18):
Yes, and that's that's the big one. If they're shaking
in their boots for no reason and you can't see it,
that's your sign. You need to turn tail and you
need to walk away. Well I have I think the
big thing I would love so creep Nation. If you're listening,
what I'm going to do is I recently came upon
(59:41):
this piece of poetry that mister Jerry did, and I
asked him, and he graciously agreed that he would read
it live on air with us this evening. The piece
is called the Haunted Whale of Appalachia. And we're gonna
switch tones here. We're gonna play different music, which I'm
(01:00:02):
very excited for, and I am going to dim my lights.
And then if whenever you are ready, mister Jerry, I'm
gonna mute my mic and you you goes take it
when you're.
Speaker 6 (01:00:18):
Ready, gather around, Come close, come closer.
Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
I will both whisper this or not tell it at all.
These hills and hollers can hear. They don't like their
secrets being tell you.
Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
It was a night such as this, after the daylight
had long died, and that smoky mountain is crept in
and covered earth and was soon crackled by Creek mountain,
and the mist climbed up the hill to where I stood,
and at that moment darkness appeared. The I stood by
(01:01:05):
the woods, my eyes straining no use the ridges, silhouette
was no there was nothing left but impossible black darkness.
Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
Yet all the while my thoughts grew dark.
Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
Those tales as many tales of the things, And in
that blind blackness I could.
Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Only listen before I couldn't see.
Speaker 4 (01:01:34):
All things were blended by all things stood silent.
Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
I felt that it was here, my heart.
Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
And to stand in that place without retreating was a
tortuous test, test what immortal fight or I knew it
was drawing me in the sound of silence. My thoughts
were little waded, then off guard had caught me sudden
tear of shattered bleeding, A long rising howl, caringing off
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every tree, and that now reached my place and grabbed
a hold of me, my mind vague for safety, on
my soul, long curly, and in the midst of the
horror in my thoughts, I asked what stalks and cries
within the woods smoking bell, and I could not say,
(01:02:32):
But I instantly knew its song, and I still did.
It was that lyriorless piece. I was still restrained, not
a dread.
Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Covered in black.
Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
The howl rose up yet back, come close, come close,
while it yet came closer than me.
Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
I silently asked, was I meant to be? Now?
Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
I know this to be unimaginable to all, and I
truly hope this will never reaches As of now, you
cannot sleep. It's much too late for me. Dread notes
of the haunted. Will they can come to spar You
will build any you will see if you venture into
(01:03:24):
the Appalachian night coorm woods, you will sing the knee
as late.
Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Thank you so so much. I love I have. I'm
like instantly, I'm like, I want to buy all kinds
and talk to other artists that do poetry like that.
That's kind of poetry I can get into. So thank
(01:03:58):
you very much for sharing that with us.
Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
I feel like that was the poem that Edgar Allan
Poe would have wrote if he was a hillbilly.
Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
You know, though you're onto something. If he was just
from a different parts. That's probably why it had like
rings perfectly. I absolutely love it, and you shared the
event I have. One of my questions was where and
how that was inspired. So thank you very very much. Now,
I kind of wanted to have that be kind of
(01:04:31):
the bookend of our evening here, but before we go.
I wanted you to be able to share maybe things
that you have coming up or that you would like
us to know about. I've shared all of your information
in the notes for the episode, but do you have
anything specific that you'd like to share.
Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
Well, let's see.
Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
Next Saturday in the town of Mary in North Carolina.
Here in the that's in the mountains, you're going to
have the Marry and sas Watch Festival. It's one of
the largest Sasquatch festivals. I think last year they said
forty thousand people came through, just a great blend of
Sasquatch researchers, people who you know, are like me, who
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were into it the day that I saw one of
these with my own eyes, I was here and I'm
still here. But you also have the vendors selling the
Sasquatch t shirts in the Sasquatch art there are storytellers,
just the carnival atmosphere, but everything's centered around Sasquatch, cryptids
(01:05:35):
and general dog men. That's really the next good thing
on the horizon. I'm working on my book, and the
guys in my other group, Sasquatch Ricon is work working
on some things there. For YouTube, you can find and
then Channel twelve TV network. We've got a few special things.
Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
Coming up that will be undisclosed, but.
Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
We feel like they're gonna, they're gonna it's gonna be
some good stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Very cool. Thank thanks for letting everybody know, because I
want to make sure that they can they can catch
you either out in the wild somewhere or something that
you might be working on. And again for those who
are listening later here as this gets published to audio,
in our show notes, you will find where you can
find uh, mister Millwood here on TikTok YouTube. You can
tune in on Instagram. I've made sure I tagged everything
(01:06:28):
in the show notes. So thank you again so much
for coming and I hope that I look forward to
reading your book when it comes out.
Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4 (01:06:39):
I was really flattered when when you sent me the message,
and I appreciate it very much.
Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Well, you're very welcome, and thank you again. And until
next time, creeps, stay creepy, my friends, and we'll catch
you next time right here on Creepy Confidential. M
The thing Shia.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Sub creeps, and welcome to Creepy Confidential after Dark. I'm Noel,
the weirdo wisconsinight and the host of Creepy Confidential. I
want to first start by saying thank you to the
creep Nation for joining us this evening. We've got a
really good special guest for you tonight, and before I
get going, I also want to thank mister Creep because
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he is responsible for the audio escape for tonight's live stream.
There's one just for the weile we're chit chatting and
a special one for when we get to the extra
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The free library, lectures and virtual classes are returning in
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I'm very excited about those, so creep on over to
(03:18):
the events page creepyconfidential dot com slash events to see
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of the page will also say Creepy Classes, and that'll
take you right to the events right page so that
you can see what's currently in the docket. But tonight,
I want to welcome you back to the after Dark
Livestream or it's time to meet new creeps and talk
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shop with our fellow creators and fellow investigators about the
fringe in Fortean world. It gives us a chance to
let down the veil and talk about the world of
weird but in the real world. Tonight, Creepy Confidential welcomes
Jerry Millwood. He is a Western North Carolin, a native,
an Army veteran we love our veterans, and a long
(04:04):
time outdoorsman, tracker and survival enthusiast. Jerry is the host
of Rebel's Dark Tales of Appalachia, which I'm sure you
guys have seen all kinds of me putting out there.
That's the big one. He has been interested in the
paranormal since childhood and now researches cryptids and paranormal activity. Yeah.
(04:25):
He is a member of North Carolina Investigates and the
group Sasquatch Recon and he is making wide muddy footprints
among the Bigfoot community, which I'm very excited for. As always,
questions are going to be answered in the comment section.
We'll try and highlight those as they go. We want
you to feel free and speak up to the class.
(04:46):
We want to make sure we talk about anything that
you might be interested in. So stay tuned creep Nation
because we have a special treat for you though, a
little piece of home grown Appalachian poetry, horror poetry, which
I'm very excited for. So Creeps. Now onto the show, Subcreeps,
(05:08):
and welcome to Creepy Confidential. Is Mothman really a supernatural
force predicting impending doom? Did Apollo eleven really land on
the moon in nineteen sixty nine? Did you find out
if that was a cult that was living just two
doors down that you wave to every single day when
you got your mail? If these are the things you
(05:32):
ponder when you should be sleeping, then I would like
to welcome you to Creepy Confidential. I'm your host, Noel,
you're resident Weirdo Wisconsinight I open case files on my
favorite cryptids, cults, conspiracies, and other worldly creepy with new cases,
live broadcasts, and local lore. Some stories have been lost
(05:53):
with time, others are perhaps still happening today in your
local communities, right up under your very creepy noses. So
get ready, creeps, it's Creepy Confidential. Good evening. As you
(06:20):
can see, I have a guest, mister Jerry. Welcome to
the show.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Thank you, it's really good to be here.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Now, do you have a preferred way? Do you like
to be called Jr? Do you like to be called Wood?
Jerry's fine, Okay, very good. Thank you so much for
joining me this evening. I got some questions for you.
I'm very excited that you said yes about reading that
special piece. I know I've mentioned it a few times,
but I'm very excited. But before we get going, other
(06:48):
than my brief introduction, can you tell Creepy Confidential watchers,
what do you do? What do you enjoy a little
bit about yourself.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
A big part of my life out in the woods,
and it has been since since I was a little boy,
for about the past ten years now. Mostly now, when
I'm going in the woods, it's because I'm going to investigate, research,
check out in the area, check on cameras, all that.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
But it's centers are.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Encryptons, but the woods that they're a big part of
at these mountains.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
I am you.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Know, watching of course ajually watching movies and documentaries all
the whole, the whole spectrum of the paranormal. I'm interested
in the entire spectrum of one the other.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
That's mainly what I watched. It's mainly what I read
about me too.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Very cool. Now, what was what was kind of the
first thing that you got interested in. Was it something
that was more on the paranormal we'll say the word ghost,
or was it more on the kind of fringe cryptid side.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
It was a paranormal thing for me because when I
was five years old into when I just after I
turned six, my parents had built a new house at
the foot of a mountain and I had my own bedroom,
and I started waking up in the night numerous nights,
and there would be a dark figure standing.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
In my doorway, filled up the entire doorway.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
I would scream my head off and my mom and
dad or dad would get up and get me, and
she started turning the hallway light on for me. But
that made it worse because there was something standing in
that door and it terrifies me to this day.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
I still have more dreams about it but it also hooked.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Me even at that young age.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Yes, it you know, I asked a question becauseillion times
to my mom, what is this? And of course she
said it was probably just bad dreams, but I clearly
I was. And then in nineteen seventy five, I was
what was I eight, seven or eight? My grandfather took
me to see the Movie's Legend of Boggie Creek. And
(09:13):
I'm fifty eight now, so yes, I was a kid
in the seventies and that movie. Like so many other
people in my generation, that movie got my attention as
far as big footballs.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Okay, I got to write that down.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Creek is the grandfather of all big foot movies. That's
where it all started. That was the world's first docu
horror movie named Charles B. Pearce who lived in Arkansas
and the tales of the Bogga Pree intrigued him.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
He collected the stories and then made a movie.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Very cool, it's very bad, A little bit of both.
Now with your kind of the main thing that I
see that you're involved with, you know, talk and things,
that is this what you call rebels dark Tales of Appalachia? Now,
is this a project that's just you or is this
multiple people.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
I am in a couple of groups, but that project
is just me. I started collecting stories back in twenty twenty.
It was it was an accident that turned out to
be a good accident because.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Fox the network.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Fox contacted the store where I worked here, a little
country store, you know, that's the center of town. We
don't have a town hall. And they said, we're coming
to do a documentary on nobby. Now that's what we
call our big foots here in the South Mountains of
North Carolina.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
We call them nobby.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
And they said, asked the store owner, but said, we
want to set up at your store. Do you know
anybody that we could interview? And she knew we were close,
she knew that I had had encounters, she knew that
I had talked to some people, and she put me
in contact this guy and I said, yeah, I'll do it.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
But at the time I wasn't ready to be out
in the public eye.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
I said, I want you to silhouette me, and I
want you to disguise my voice, and.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
They said okay.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
We filmed it in June of twenty twenty and it
came out January of twenty twenty. One and they silhouetted me,
but they neglected to disguise my voice. Oh dear okay
in three counties knew it was the guy that works
at the store. But the most amazing thing happened. People
started coming there to tell me their stories.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Well because a lot of people don't like telling their
story because.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Afraid too, but people want to tell their stores. And
said maybe. I mean I knew everybody by the end.
By then I had worked there for a year and
had you know you have in a place like this
small town, super small town America, you know everybody, you
build a rapport. I guess I had one people's trust,
and one by one, people started coming and telling me
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their stories. In most cases they said, well, you know,
we want to be anonymous. Some said I don't care,
but most of them, most of them have never told
their story outside of maybe just a couple of people in.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
The inner circle. And it went from there.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I said, well, I'm gonna write a book, but somebody suggested,
you know, you can do TikTok now m hm. So
I started doing my stories on TikTok, and being that
it's ten minute segments on TikTok, I feel like it's
been successful and eleven one hundred followers. It's hard to
keep people's attention these days, and I refuse to budge
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from my ten minute episodes.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Good for you.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
That's the thing I love most about this.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
It's just hearing other people's experiences and of course telling
about our experiences.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
That, yeah, I love that. I think that nowadays it's
all about fry How quick can I get their attention?
If you don't have them in a half a second,
they just keep dunes grolling and they're gone. They don't
The art of listening to a story is gone so
or not even a story, you know some an encounter
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perhaps is a better way to describe it. But that
was something I was I was curious about that now
that one I want to come back to this question now.
During a recent interview that that I watched of you,
you mentioned purchasing a book as a child called Bigfoot
by b and Slate, and oh you have it. That's
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one of my questions. That's one of it. I was curious,
so was this your first book about unusual things like
all of them?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Or it was my friend? My mother.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Indulge me and she let me start buying the ghost
story books at every time.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
The Scholastic book change is good.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Mm. But I saw that book and I bet I
read it five times that year that I bought it,
and it just intrigued to this day. It's one of
the best books of the morning. And they covered it.
They cover things. It's amazing because in the seventies when
it was written, they covered some things that we really
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didn't start talking about in the mainstream research and investigation
until recently, like the mind speak or esp.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
And things like that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Very if you can find it. You can find it
on the internet. You can find it on Amazon if
you get lucky. Most of the time they're used copies.
I don't think it's in print anymore. No.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I looked for one because I heard you mention it.
And I'm a huge bibliophile. This side and this behind
me is just nothing but books, and they're all to
what I do. They're not like you know, for through
like romance books or anything. So I immediately looked it
up and I say, don't make it and it's it's
not like a five dollars book. It's a hot commodity.
So I was I am very glad you still have it.
(14:59):
That was one of my questions now of the since
you've read it so many times, do you have like
a favorite I'll say passion passage slash chapter that readers
should really hone in on.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
S Nattie.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
There's several things that grabbed my attention right away. The
story of Eight Canyon when the miners This was I
forget what years, like a hundred years ago, maybe a
little more than a hundred, and these guys were minding
deep in the hills of California. That night they were
attacked by sashquatch creatures throwing the rocks at the cabin
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and trying to break in. And then there's a story
of a fella who had an encounter where there was
this esp this psychic connection going on with the creature.
If you can find a book, you will you will
zip through it because it will grab me.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I have it in my cart I just haven't bought
it yet, so I was like, I have to. It's
on my list. So that's one of my next ones.
I like to I kind of constantly have a small
flow of books coming in throughout the week. So I'm
glad thank you for sharing that with us. Now, since
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I mentioned about the books. Do you have any other
books about Appalachian creatures perhaps or tales that you suggest
that I should also add, Oh yeah, do you have
do you have like like one night one or two
that comes to come to mind?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
The Monsters of the Tar Hill State is a fairly
new book. Okay, well, Tar Hill State.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
David Weatherley, Okay, the big book Case book.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
The updated version is okay, really good book.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
And it features my hometown in a number of areas
in this book. Oh gosh, uh, I'll tell you this.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Is beyond Boggie Creek.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Lyle Blackburn who has extensively researched the Boggy Creek phenomena,
the the you know, the creature that the whole movie
was based based on. He has exhaustively researched that, and
that's a really good book.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
And then finally.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
There's a series of books written by a fellow named
George Lunxford who was on the n c I team
with me, Monsters of the.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
World, Monsters.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Legends, Myths and Monsters and Ghosts North American Edition and Legends, Myths,
Monsters and Ghosts USA Edition. And they're really there. They're
reference book for people who were in rented.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yes, I love that. You could just turn Oh my gosh,
I could do the same. You just turn around. You're like,
you mean these I have all of these books ready
for you.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
I refer to them constantly when i'm you know, when
i'm right or doing research, so I keep them handy.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Plus I have more.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Oh, I love it. I was like I started to
write them down. I'm like, oh, yeah, I have this
on a recording, so I have to go back. I'm
going to have to write down a lot of those.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Now you mentioned, go ahead, I'll send you lis.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Oh, I love it. Thank you so much. Now, when
that when we first got started, you mentioned nobby and
that that is what you call bigfoot in where you
are now. In another interview, I heard you use the
word booger. Can you please explain to me what that is.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Well, that's one of the old school words for anything
unknown that's in the woods or or I mean, it
can refer to anything from a ghost to a big foot.
And it goes back to a Cherokee word that was
boudein and it you know, you know how languages evolve,
and over time here in the mountains, it just kind
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of spread out and got turned into the word booger.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Did Cherokee you do a special dance to ward off bad.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Spirits and and monsters and think they call it the
booger dance, and they wear booger masks. So that's where
that came from. But booger is the ketchup for anything scared.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
That is because I you were was it this describing
something that happened in a cornfield that was probably like
maybe your first encounter and you use the word booger,
was like, I'm just I'm a northern Wisconsin. I I'd
never heard that word before, and so was that your
(19:37):
first in that one you're talking about you saw this
creature in this cornfield? Can you talk a little bit
about that and how like was that the first time
that you kind of ran into one?
Speaker 4 (19:48):
It's that was that wasn't the first time I had
seen signs or heard vocalizations, but that was the first
time I laid my eyes on My wife and I
was coming home late on a Thursday night, August betweenty seventeen,
and we turned onto a road and to the left
was the cornfield. Being in August, the corner was fully
grown and as the lights swept the cornfield. As we
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were turning right onto that road. There it stood. And
it took a second to register with me. I'll tell
you this, the massiveness of what I was seeing. The
broad shoulders. It was taller than the corn stalks.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
And that's quite tall in August.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
I mean, oh yeah, it was set seven and a
half seven seven and a half until at least at
five hundred pounds more maybe more.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
And it took a second register and I hit the brakes.
My wife kept her eye on it, and I backed
up the car. My intent was to shine the light
onto the corn but by the time I got in position,
it had gone into the corn. But you could see
its head in the distance. It was moving away from us.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Especially if it's that tall. I mean, that's that's huge.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
You see the carn beside of it being, you know,
bending in. It was considerably taller than the corner.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Wow. Do you remember when that was? Like what year?
Speaker 3 (21:18):
That's the twenty seventeen, twenty oh.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
So I'm not that long ago, Okay. I thought it
maybe would have been farther farther in the past. Now
with that encounter, it have and because that was fairly recent,
even back to like I always asked my other fellow
military friends this, when you were in did you ever
have some sort of encounter or witness something unexplainable either.
(21:44):
I know it might not have been a bigfoot, but
something like aliens or flying anything, something that was outside
of the spectrum of normal.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Yes, a couple of things.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
When I was at Fort Bragg, we were out on
just the train and field training exercise way on the
south end of Fort Bragg, and there was some new guys.
We had some downtime, and and none of them. They
were all from you know, city areas. They'd got been
they've got to the woods, in the forest sun, you know,
throughout training, but it had never been on just a
(22:16):
leisurely high They asked me if I would take him
on a hike, and we went a couple of miles
and we found a place that was it was a
small cliff and there were so many dead animals at
the bottom of that.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
H time.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
I wished I would have scaled down that cliff and looked, looked,
looked at them closer. Sure, And then over time I
was I was sent Central America several times some some
strange things down there.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Some of the locals.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
We had a Honduran captain who was like an out
of shade signed our unit and he was telling us
stories about like therefore they have like a big foot
down in Honduras.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
And he had also been in a Nicaragua.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
And I didn't see anything or hear anything, but I
got to hear the things that he said. He witnessed
a lot of weird lights the times I was out
west at National Training Center Center at Fort Irwin, California
and Dougway Proven Grounds in Utah.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
A lot of UFOs, a.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Bunch, I mean that checks out. That seems to be
a very big hot spot kind of that quarter in
that corner. That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
We would way out in the desert there in Dougway
Proven Grounds in Utah.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Just see the strangers things above us in the sky.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
And there were also we saw some lights like in
the mountain, more like orbs or something moving really fast.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Were I wish that they would have like a like
a compendium of people that are all willing to come
together and talk about what they've seen in the military.
But maybe out of fear, maybe it's out of they
don't want people to think they're nuts. I don't know.
But it would be so interesting. I think military we're
(24:08):
lucky and veterans, we kind of have people tend to
believe you a little more because you have to have
a certain that you know something to you This not
like an average person integrity that some maybe not everybody
has integrity. But it would just be cool. I think.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
It's going to happen. Now is the time, because it's
the military that led to you know, the congressional testimonies
that we saw a couple of years ago. Now u
AP pile violence, American military pilots cruise. Yeah, I think
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I think that can be done with a black person.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I wish it would be so interesting, And especially now
they're starting to see, well not starting, but you're just
hearing about it more frequently, where these overhead views of
big bodies of water and you can it looks like
something it's not a ship, it's something else, or they
say things are coming in and out of it. Now
we have the technology to kind of watch these areas. Again.
(25:12):
I just wish everybody get their stuff together and be
able to put a big book about it. And you mentioned,
you know, being where you are, you mentioned that you
had spent a lot of time outdoors, and that's another part.
You know, you're taking care of your critters and whatnot.
I understand that. Have you ever had doing that? Have
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you ever been outside and seen more of this like
we'll say alien or ufo because you can see the
sky so much differently when you're in without all this
light pollution. Have you seen anything like that now just
being outside casually?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Yeah, a lot, we have. We have a history of
that d in this area.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
I've got it been fortunate enough a few times to
get things on video. The most remarkable thing that I've
captured on videos we were doing a night hike and
we were on a.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Ridge and they're in the trees.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
About seventy five yards away from us was a dancing
red light and a dancing green light, and they.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Were just moving and it was almost like butterflies dancing.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I got two separate.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Yes, two separate lights, but they were moving back and
forth and up and down and past each other, and
it reminded me of a way a butterfly might fly.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
That's a good analogy though, because then you can understand
that they always they don't collide. They kind of move
around each other freely, and they know where each other
where they are. I am yet to come across something
like that. Everybody always talks about stuff, and I am
yet to come across that, So I'm always interested.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
We see some strange lights here in this area that
are on the ground in the distance.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
We see lights in the trees, and we also see
lights in the sky. Usually there are orange lights in
the sky. Sometimes there are a bright white light. And
a few times I personally witnessed this bright light, bright
white light in the trees, except that was moving at
a phenomenal rate.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Wow, while while trying to go through the branches and whatnot.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
And it leads me to believe that it was supernatural
because it was able to negotiate through those trees without
hitting anything in the foliage here in the foothels of
Appalachia is very I was able to get that on video.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
That's why speaking of you know, they always there's all
these tales and things that you should and shouldn't do
in these in the forests of Appalachia. You know, do
you have have you have you heard of some of
these where it's like if you hear your name called,
you should not respond, or things of that nature. Do
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you follow any sort of like folklore that has become
rules to you.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I do.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
My great grandparents help raise me and my brother when
we were young, and they were old school. They came
out of the country to go to work and textile
mills around here. So you close your curtains at night
to the extent that you pen the curtainship.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Oh and the rule of if you hear your name called.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
In a mysterious way, especially if you're you're in the
woods or next to the words, turn around and leave whistling.
Whistling is not something you want to do at night.
And if you hear whistling in the woods, you want
to turn around and evacuate the The one that I
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follow is this though, it's if you get a strange feeling,
if you if you just get an odd feeling, that
that's it.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
It's time to leave. And I've always followed that.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah, that's just your gut telling you something's wrong. We're
equipped with certain you know, I don't know, I said,
our spidy senses that are our meat suits are telling
us that something's awry. So exactly, I've even if like
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we didn't have anything like that up up like in Wisconsin,
I don't remember any anything that was kind of passed
down like that or you shouldn't, but it was always
I think it was just to protect most. Don't be
on in the woods at night. You have no idea
what's out there at nighttime. And I remember getting to
play in the woods of northern Wisconsin where there is nothing.
It's just a different type of woods than than where
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you are. And once again, my grandpa would always joke
about how I can't wander far or the yetti will
get me. He always chose the word YETI, which was
kind of strange to me now, but it was, you know,
could have just been to protect me. Did growing up
you know, did you have elders that would do things
like this or tell you so so and so was
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in the woods or creature was in the woods to
protect you.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Book that's what bookers will get you.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
The little people come from Cherokee ancestry and Cherokee culture.
The little people, and the little people can be are
usually good, but sometimes they'll snack bad children. So my
great grandfather used to tell us that Mary fact you said,
if you misbehave, I will take you out there.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
And leave you.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I will give you to them. That that's quite sinister,
but also something I think my paw would have done. Absolutely.
Now I wrote you brought some photos. You know, you
sent me some photos, so I don't necessarily have them
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in like an order per se. But can we take
a moment and talk about these pictures that you sent me.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
I don't even remember which ones I sent you, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Let's good. Then then it's a surprise. So give me
just second. Here, I'm gonna move this around a little bit,
turn that down just a smidgee. Here we go. Okay,
So how about it. I'll scan through them and you
tell me which one you want to talk about first.
So there's this one, this one, this one, okay, and
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this one.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Let's talk about the very first one with the knife
land on first.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah, So for the people that are going to listen
to this on audio later, if you can kind of
describe the setup of this photo and then what we're
looking at here.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Okay, that's not too ofteny far from my house. And
it was under a bridge, an old bridge that spans
one of the major creaks around here, and a friend
of mine and.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
I were going out there.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
There had been reports of well feral people and somebody
had reported seeing a really strange looking person in the
vicinity of this bridge, and it was you know, postulated
that maybe a feral person was living under the bridge,
so we went to check it out, and that was
the first time that I ever found bigfoot tracks.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
So, now is a feral person. When you say a
feral person, are you talking about like a homeless person
or is this like a specific type of thing that
is a feral person.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Well, the definition of feral person can be broad, but
here in the Appalachian Mountains we have a long ago.
There were a number of times since Europeans settled the area,
but actually the Cherokee had this type of thing too,
where people were just attached from society and go deeper
into the wilderness and you know, have their own little,
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small micro communities. And I believe that, I believe they
do exist. And that's the kind of feral person that
I that people were thinking they were seeing, or somebody
who just lived in the woods full time, not attached
to society.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
And they're out here, definitely out here.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
I've never seen one, but I've collected the number of
stories where eyewitnesses have had run into it. But on
this particular day, when we looked down to see if
anything was under bridge, we noticed tracks. There was three
separate sets of tracks, different sizes, and I sent you
this photograph because this was the largest, about a thirteen
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inch track. But the big deal is how it was
depressed more than two inches into that dirt.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeah, I was noticing that too.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
And in the middle of the track, you'll see an
area it's called the mid tarsal break and prime a
big foot when they stepped, there's an area in the
middle of their foot that does not depress the because
it's hinged, okay, And these tracks.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Had that breck in them.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
And to give you an idea on the weight, it's
like I said, there were more than two inches pressed
into the dirt.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I weigh at the time.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
I weighed about one ninety and I went about three
fourths of an inch into the dirt wearing my boots,
and then I would stamp and I would go about
an inch and a half. So you know, you're you're
talking upwards of four or five hundred pounds. But there
were there were sets of tracks, three different sizes, So
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there were three individuals that they were just walking down
that creek, and they sure wandered along on the side
of the creek.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
And left us some tracks and I noticed though this
it can't be a shoe because the toes it's pointed
and slanted like a foot, right, But it's not like
a barefoot, you know. I'm just trying to be observing
of the print itself, and I'm not trying to debunk
it or not. It's just something that if again, if
you're listening, you know, hopefully you can come back and
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see this. It's it's a big it's a big print.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Wow. Okay, photographs of prints never do them justice.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
And at the time I didn't have plaster of Paris
and my kid. I never thought I would find a
good track like that. I had found partial tracks that
weren't castable, and that day I said, I'm going to
get me some plaster of Paris and always have it
on me.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
We got a comment from ghost Dog says they're in
the Pacific Northwest too, So that's actually that's mister creep,
that's my hobby. We lived out in Washington State. Well
he lived there way longer than I did. But there's
tracks like this all all over. People talk about them
all the time, so it's on both sides. That's crazy. Okay, Oh, oh,
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feral people. He's talking about feral people. I didn't know that,
So more to it. Okay, which one do you want
to What about this one?
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Yeah, we'll do that. That was at a different bridge.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
That was actually the bridge across the Broad River here
in western North Carolina. It was a little used dirt road.
The bridge was old, didn't even have side rails on it,
and so I started checking the bridges around me every chance.
I got this print. There's a couple of reason it
stands out. This one is depressed about three inches into
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the ground.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
But here's the biggest part.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
That one track was in the middle of the sandbar,
and the water's edge from the water's edge to the
track was more than was about fifty inches, and then
from the track to the other water's edge was about
forty nine inches. So this the maker of this track
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cleared that with one step and.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Was like going that's and you can almost tell it jumped.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Like it was it was running by the dirt splashed
down on one side, and it was such it had
such a stride that it cleared that sandbar with just
one step.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Wow, And the sand looks kind of. It doesn't look
super salty. It looks like it would hold a little bit.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
Yes, it's a hard packed it's a hard packed sand
especially if it if it had it had rained recently,
which wet the sand, which made it more like concrete.
Saw the depth of it and then the stride six
hundred pounds eight feet tall.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Wow, that's the best track that I've ever found.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
And there and and in terms of investigating it, that
one was easy because no one would have been able
to get out to the middle of that sandbar to
fake the track, never mind the logistics of how to
get that thing three inches into the ground, you know,
if they were using some kind of cut out, because
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again it's it's very hard packed dirt.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
So that.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
Track and shortly shortly after we photographed that track and
got back in my friend's brand new ge we continued
along that dirt road and got about, I don't know,
a couple hundred feet away, and a rock come out
of the woods and hit the top of his new
jeep and left a huge gouge in the top of
his jeep.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Oh my gosh, someone was mad that you were there.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
The gunshot went off, and I thought, that's what had happened?
He said no, and he's yelling. He said no.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Something a rock or something hit the top.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
Of the the jeep just above me, and I saw
it bounce into the woods on the other side of
my peripherals.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
I said, you want to stop and check on your jeep?
He said, no, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
So it's not just like some idiotic ape like creature,
like it's thinking it knows you're there, doesn't like it.
It's got the whole the whole thing. Yes, all right?
And then what about this one? So you got a
track of something?
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
That was from spring of this year when some of
my colleagues in NCI, which is North Carolina Investigates came.
I wanted them to come and see a couple of
deer kill sites. I found something very unusual, a bunch
of deer over time that had been killed in a
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very condensed area, and they had like broken necks, legs
that had been just completely ripped off, fractured horribly fractured
in crushed ribs. And then I found a second kill
site area and they came up and we were hiking
to the to the first deer kill site area and
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there was a small creek, or as we call them
around here, a branch, and had just a narrow swath
of mucky soil where the little branch crossed the path.
And there was one extremely good track. There was some others,
but they weren't castable, but this one was almost perfect.
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And this one went fourteen inches and about five hundred
and fifteen pounds of pressure is what it would have
took to sink them.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
That foot into the ground sufficiently.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Wow. Now do you have some sort of because I mean,
that's just trying to think math wise, trying to figure
out how big the creature had to be to depress
a certain size, Like you have charts and stuff that
can kind of help you figure it out, or you
just kind of you know, this creature caused this, so
this did this kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Now you you.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
Me, as an investigator, I will step the step near
the track and first see how much you know, how
much my track sinks mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Then then from there it's this path.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
You know, see if I sink my track deep and
it's two and a half inches deep, you.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Just go from there and mm hmm. And it's very reliable.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
And I'll also stomp on the ground to see how
deep I can go and stopping test the ground and
sees how easy it would have been for a hoax
or to stomp and make the track.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Right, Okay, that makes sense. Now this foot has that
same like if it had toes the small toe to
the big toe. It's that angle again, really steep angle
where a lot of the prints you find it's almost
like they have these I'll use the word hoki, but
I know that's not the right word, where it's almost
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like they have bubble toes across the top. You'll have
to excuse my I'm probably not describing it correctly, but
this is like right, it's like you're kind of picking
up what I'm putting down. Where this one it's more
it's like a very large foot that's from you know,
toe tip to heel. It doesn't look like a big
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like you said, wooden foot or whatever.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
There's a lot of things to look at when you're
looking at a track. One of them when you're talking
about the bubble toes, if they're so perfect that you
can see each toe perfectly, then it's probably a fake
track because you know us included. But when when bipedal
creatures walk, there's Hallmark, like they dig into the ground
with your bare toes and it's going to throw some
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dirt back. And this one, this one was a no
doubt in my mind, all the tracks that I'm selling,
the nine on here, one hundred percent, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
We're bonafide tracks, sasquatch.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Tracks, and I like I like these I've sent and
I've gone to a couple of different i'll say, conventions
or get togethers where they're showing off their casts. Although
between you and I and this table right here, a
lot of the bigfoot people aren't aren't really receptive to
someone like myself, who is, you know, maybe new or
(43:32):
a little too bubbly, I don't know. So it's nice
to have comparison of you know, I can talk to
you about this and actually be able to discuss what
you found, how you found it. And these these prints,
like the ones you're showing, are so much better than
some of the others that I've seen that they look
they look like they have perfect toes and perfect heels,
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and they look fake, you know. For these these just
look like a really long, large human ish foot.
Speaker 4 (44:03):
Both groups that I'm in, which is n CI, North Carolina, investigates.
And I'm also in a group called sasquat Rican. We
have an absolutely ironclad rule if someone is called hoaxing
or faking, no questions asked, immediately dismissed from the group
and will never be allowed to return. And I have
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met the folks with the tracks that just look hokey.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
They look suss.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Yeah, oh yeah, what the kids say nowadays. So sus.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
I was fortunate enough to get, you know, some of
these guys who were veteran big foot hunters to teach
me some things about looking when you look at the tracks.
But the biggest thing really is where you find the tracks.
And the places that I these tracks were, you know,
remote areas. I found the track two years ago in
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an extremely remote area and they were little baby sasquatch prints.
And the thing is we were in so deep in
the wilderness that I knew immediately was no kid's track,
and and and the anatomy was different anyway. So it's
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the where you find the tracks. If I'm going to
take the time to be a numbskull and hoax something
these people, there's people that do it. I'm going to
do it in a place where I know people is
going to find my work, you know.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Right, so that your work was for something right.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
And where where I found the tracks are very highly
inaccessible areas. It'll take a lot of doing to get there,
to crawl down the creek banks go into the river.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
I have seen faked tracks, but those tend to.
Speaker 4 (46:07):
Be in areas where there's more, you know, more people,
more traffic near a trails and that type of thing.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
Well, I'm I'm excited to see prints that like this,
So thank you for sharing those ones with us. Now,
the last picture that I have of the ones you sent,
I am unable to kind of make out what I'm
looking at here, So can you talk me through this one?
Speaker 3 (46:35):
Yeah, back in early June, when.
Speaker 4 (46:40):
I went out to check on my livestock, I have
outpackas and goats and they were all gathered on the
eastern side of the pasture fence and the goats were
completely against the fence and the three well, at the time,
I had four out packers and they were all in
a set up in like a perimeter. They had their
ears up and there's an alarm call that the alpha
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will always do when when something is wrong, and so
my alpha was making this alarm noise, and I knew
immediately that something was going on. And I come back
in the house and get my phone and my bigger spotlight,
and so I just started spotlighting. I caught movement in
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my peripheral vision and I panned further to the west,
but I didn't see whatever I saw move I had
lost it. I couldn't couldn't find it. I took myself
one and I used them as kind of like monoculars
and zoomed all the way. In the last fifteen seconds
(47:43):
of that, the whole video was, I don't remember, close
to two minutes long. From the from the right of
the photograph, this entity walked out. It was like it
was improved us to me and then kind of turned
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and walked off into the darkness. But if you'll see
the fence post.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
In the picture, mm hmm, over here, I sium there's
six and a half feet tall. Oh, and you see
the figure in the picture is quite over it. And also.
Speaker 4 (48:27):
Where it's standing below that fence is actually a little
about three feet lower in elevation. So if you do
the math, you know you're talking about an extremely large things.
And this is a straight cell phone camera. It's not
a night vision image.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
So the light is actually.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
That's its actual color, and it's for a sasquatch.
Speaker 4 (48:53):
It you know, appears to be a lot thinner than
a sasquatch.
Speaker 3 (48:58):
In the community.
Speaker 4 (48:59):
The people I've shown it to, most people agree that
that's what it is. It's a big it's a sasquatch,
and it's an and that it's you know, being an
older one, it's lost body weight.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
I immediately went to because Paranormal was kind of i'll say,
my wheelhouse with with different spirits and entities and you
see all kinds of interesting photographs and art and it
has like a teal light blue color to it. Is
that just is that like just gray essentially? Is that
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what we're seeing in.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
This particular photograph.
Speaker 4 (49:37):
I went in and and changed the coloration a little
bit to try to make the silhouette stand out more. Okay,
it may have changed the tent someone And then I
sent the video to somebody who knew what they were doing,
and they produced me some steel shots.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
I wish that'll send you some of those, and.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
Well that but that helps me a lot knowing that
because when you do adjust the contrast and color blue
is a color that comes through quite often, so that
makes sense. But it had to be really tall.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (50:12):
And that was at a distance from me about sixty
yards give or take.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
So it's long. I mean, it's tall and skinny, but
it's large.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
It is a large creature large. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Wow. See, that's why I think about living in the woods.
My husbands talked about living out in the country. I'm like,
this is what you gotta.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
Worry about now.
Speaker 4 (50:38):
There there have been people in our circle, you know
that that some people have descended and said, no, that's
not a sasquatch. That's that's some kind of supernatural entity.
That's a ghost or a ray, a rake or this.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
Because that's what it looks like. Is a rape? Is
it a rake?
Speaker 3 (50:58):
Reef right? A ray a wraith? And I think there's
one called a rake.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
Yeah, but they're these Like that's what my brain went to.
So great you have both living around you.
Speaker 4 (51:12):
I'm definitely not one hundred percent convinced that it's a sasquatch.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
I don't know, I don't know, I might I might
call it.
Speaker 4 (51:21):
I'm sixty percent sure it's an older sasquatch, but about
forty percent of me says, yeah, you know, that could
be a paranormal one. One person in particular who's who's
like a paranormal medium told me that that was something
that was really evil down there in those wounds.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
On they have and he said, he goes rake, I'm out.
He's like, nope, And that's I think there. There is
a lot of mojo, call it whatever you want to
use in that whole mountain range because it goes, it extends,
you know, beyond it was before you obviously know that,
but before the everything broke apart, and it just seems
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like there is so much craziness that happens that there
has to be something. There's still part parts of the
woods that people haven't seen in eons. Yep, And all
sudden one night they start wandering out looking for critters humans,
they're just curious. Who knows, Like, ugh, it's crazy now
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that I have an idea, it's a creepy picture.
Speaker 4 (52:26):
You never know, when we refer to them as juvenile
or roads will break away from the pack deeper into this,
deeper into the wilderness and get this itch, this drive
to go out in civilization, and you'll you'll have areas
that'll have you know, suddenly they'll have an epidemic of sightings.
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We had that happen here in the South Mountains area
in nineteen seventy eight, nineteen seventy nine. And sometimes it's
just one breaks off from the klan they call the
popular term is a family of a more group of
big foods called the clean, and you'll have a roade
break off and just decide that they're bold enough to
go into, you know, closer to civilization, and they just
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don't really care much about people seeing them. You certainly
had a time period like that, and I researched that
and exhaustedly, and you got to talk to some of
the witnesses, and that's what that was back back in
the day.
Speaker 3 (53:27):
It's just like being human. You know who's going to be.
Speaker 4 (53:29):
The ones that usually make the dumbest decisions the teenagers.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
Right, yeah, I want to do it by myself. Okay,
go ahead, run away.
Speaker 6 (53:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (53:42):
The jubil sasquatch uh. And I'm convinced around here in
this area we have a number of juveniles who just
do mischievous things. Come into the backyard and scatter lawn furniture,
or break into the feed barrels in the barn and
things like that drag stuff out of the barn down
into here, just just for mischief.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
Because there's I mean, are you are you not close
to other families where you are like, you.
Speaker 4 (54:10):
Mean, we have a little I live in a tiny,
little community. That's most of everything that happens around here
is at late at night.
Speaker 6 (54:19):
Right.
Speaker 4 (54:20):
Some areas that are deeper into you know, deeper into
the wilderness, you can you can have these kind of
encounters day or night, but here, it's from their standpoint,
it's better to remain nocturnal because your chances of having
to run in with a human, you know.
Speaker 3 (54:37):
As much less.
Speaker 4 (54:39):
Ninety eight percent of all the vocalizations we've heard around
here has been at ninth I've never I've seen one
of these creatures two different times in August twenty seventeen
and in December of twenty nineteen, and that was that
was at night. So it's a night time thing around here.
(55:00):
But there's other places. We went into a research area
deep in the mountains this past weekend and it was
so far out in the middle of everything, I mean,
it was it was in the middle of the middle.
We had a you know, we had bona fide experience
that day. That's where that's where you have to go
(55:21):
is the middle of the middle of the new world.
If you want to if you want to force your
having any count.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
Then you you're in danger.
Speaker 3 (55:32):
Like you you know, you don't want to go by
yourself into these areas.
Speaker 4 (55:37):
A history of violence by these creatures toward people here
in the Appalachian Mountains that the worst that it usually
involves rock throw.
Speaker 3 (55:49):
But by the same token, we don't know what else
is out.
Speaker 4 (55:52):
There, and we know that there's been a lot of
people who have gone out by themselves who just.
Speaker 3 (55:57):
Disappeared gone.
Speaker 2 (56:00):
Yeah, like no sign of anything of them, right.
Speaker 3 (56:06):
No backpack, no nothing, just gone.
Speaker 2 (56:12):
I can't imagine like I would just from a survival standpoint,
I would not load up my backpack and say I'm
going to walk by myself in the middle of the
Appalachian Mountains anywhere, like any mountain range for that matter,
is just not safe. But you have no idea what's
out there, which is wild, absolutely wild. Now as a segue,
(56:35):
I guess talking about you have no idea what's out there?
Is that? Is that something that inspired you to write
this piece of scary poetry.
Speaker 4 (56:48):
The thing that inspired me was an actual encounter. And
I have dogs of blunch or dogs. Some of them
I have to put on a leash and I have
to take them out late at night, the.
Speaker 3 (56:58):
Wall of them.
Speaker 4 (57:00):
And I was walking one of them one night and
down in the in the holler below my house now
in the creek bottom, there was suddenly this long, deep
frequency basy howl and it rose in volume.
Speaker 3 (57:20):
It's it was deep, and it rose a little bit
in pitch, but it rose in volume and it got
louder and louder and louder.
Speaker 4 (57:30):
And you talk about an instance where I had that
bad feeling, and right now as I'm talking about it,
I'm having that.
Speaker 2 (57:37):
So it still it still gets you.
Speaker 4 (57:39):
It does.
Speaker 3 (57:40):
It was the scariest sound I've ever heard in my life,
and it was.
Speaker 4 (57:45):
Maybe at the most one hundred yards downhill, and that
it put fear in me.
Speaker 3 (57:52):
It put genuine fear in me.
Speaker 4 (57:54):
And I turned around and took the dog back inside,
and the the other dogs that I needed to walk
came a few feet off the porch. I kept my spotlight.
I was like a nervous spider monkey caffeine and in
marijuana or something. I was I was watching with the
(58:15):
perimeter with my spotlight and hoping the dog would hurry up.
But it made a very very big impact on me
that night because it's evil, it sounded scary.
Speaker 2 (58:28):
And just and I'm even just listening to the words.
I was like, this had to come from something you
know that happened to you. Wasn't just you got oh
an idea like it sounds that sounds like that. I
can't imagine who. No, thank you. And dogs are usually
pretty good about there's something out there. We have a dot,
we have our we just have one. But she she
(58:50):
senses things way before we do. So when I go hiking,
if she doesn't want to go somewhere, we don't go
that way. Plain and simple.
Speaker 4 (58:59):
So absolutely tried and true, true rule to follow. Watch
your animals. They will tell you. That's why I observed
the behavior of learning pasture animals. Every night I go
check them, because they will tell you. Your dog will
tell you they either gonna get very aggressive or they're
gonna tucktail, and only that another way.
Speaker 2 (59:18):
Yes, and that's that's the big one. If they're shaking
in their boots for no reason and you can't see it,
that's your sign. You need to turn tail and you
need to walk away. Well I have I think the
big thing I would love so creep Nation. If you're listening,
what I'm going to do is I recently came upon
(59:41):
this piece of poetry that mister Jerry did, and I
asked him, and he graciously agreed that he would read
it live on air with us this evening. The piece
is called the Haunted Whale of Appalachia. And we're gonna
switch tones here. We're gonna play different music, which I'm
(01:00:02):
very excited for, and I am going to dim my lights.
And then if whenever you are ready, mister Jerry, I'm
gonna mute my mic and you you goes take it
when you're.
Speaker 6 (01:00:18):
Ready, gather around, Come close, come closer.
Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
I will both whisper this or not tell it at all.
These hills and hollers can hear. They don't like their
secrets being tell you.
Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
It was a night such as this, after the daylight
had long died, and that smoky mountain is crept in
and covered earth and was soon crackled by Creek mountain,
and the mist climbed up the hill to where I stood,
and at that moment darkness appeared. The I stood by
(01:01:05):
the woods, my eyes straining no use the ridges, silhouette
was no there was nothing left but impossible black darkness.
Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
Yet all the while my thoughts grew dark.
Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
Those tales as many tales of the things, And in
that blind blackness I could.
Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Only listen before I couldn't see.
Speaker 4 (01:01:34):
All things were blended by all things stood silent.
Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
I felt that it was here, my heart.
Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
And to stand in that place without retreating was a
tortuous test, test what immortal fight or I knew it
was drawing me in the sound of silence. My thoughts
were little waded, then off guard had caught me sudden
tear of shattered bleeding, A long rising howl, caringing off
(01:02:07):
every tree, and that now reached my place and grabbed
a hold of me, my mind vague for safety, on
my soul, long curly, and in the midst of the
horror in my thoughts, I asked what stalks and cries
within the woods smoking bell, and I could not say,
(01:02:32):
But I instantly knew its song, and I still did.
It was that lyriorless piece. I was still restrained, not
a dread.
Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Covered in black.
Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
The howl rose up yet back, come close, come close,
while it yet came closer than me.
Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
I silently asked, was I meant to be? Now?
Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
I know this to be unimaginable to all, and I
truly hope this will never reaches As of now, you
cannot sleep. It's much too late for me. Dread notes
of the haunted. Will they can come to spar You
will build any you will see if you venture into
(01:03:24):
the Appalachian night coorm woods, you will sing the knee
as late.
Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Thank you so so much. I love I have. I'm
like instantly, I'm like, I want to buy all kinds
and talk to other artists that do poetry like that.
That's kind of poetry I can get into. So thank
(01:03:58):
you very much for sharing that with us.
Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
I feel like that was the poem that Edgar Allan
Poe would have wrote if he was a hillbilly.
Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
You know, though you're onto something. If he was just
from a different parts. That's probably why it had like
rings perfectly. I absolutely love it, and you shared the
event I have. One of my questions was where and
how that was inspired. So thank you very very much. Now,
I kind of wanted to have that be kind of
(01:04:31):
the bookend of our evening here, but before we go.
I wanted you to be able to share maybe things
that you have coming up or that you would like
us to know about. I've shared all of your information
in the notes for the episode, but do you have
anything specific that you'd like to share.
Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
Well, let's see.
Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
Next Saturday in the town of Mary in North Carolina.
Here in the that's in the mountains, you're going to
have the Marry and sas Watch Festival. It's one of
the largest Sasquatch festivals. I think last year they said
forty thousand people came through, just a great blend of
Sasquatch researchers, people who you know, are like me, who
(01:05:14):
were into it the day that I saw one of
these with my own eyes, I was here and I'm
still here. But you also have the vendors selling the
Sasquatch t shirts in the Sasquatch art there are storytellers,
just the carnival atmosphere, but everything's centered around Sasquatch, cryptids
(01:05:35):
and general dog men. That's really the next good thing
on the horizon. I'm working on my book, and the
guys in my other group, Sasquatch Ricon is work working
on some things there. For YouTube, you can find and
then Channel twelve TV network. We've got a few special things.
Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
Coming up that will be undisclosed, but.
Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
We feel like they're gonna, they're gonna it's gonna be
some good stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Very cool. Thank thanks for letting everybody know, because I
want to make sure that they can they can catch
you either out in the wild somewhere or something that
you might be working on. And again for those who
are listening later here as this gets published to audio,
in our show notes, you will find where you can
find uh, mister Millwood here on TikTok YouTube. You can
tune in on Instagram. I've made sure I tagged everything
(01:06:28):
in the show notes. So thank you again so much
for coming and I hope that I look forward to
reading your book when it comes out.
Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4 (01:06:39):
I was really flattered when when you sent me the message,
and I appreciate it very much.
Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Well, you're very welcome, and thank you again. And until
next time, creeps, stay creepy, my friends, and we'll catch
you next time right here on Creepy Confidential. M
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