After Dark with Leslie and Stephen Shawn "Who They Are And What They Are Up To"

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welcome to Creepy Confidential. After dark, you may notice things
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a little bit cooler before we get our guest on
for tonight. I just want to start by saying thank
you for a great twenty twenty four season. It wrapped
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We're going to be doing more live streams, more cool stories.
We're going to be bringing you all kinds of new content.

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So let's get our next guest on the show. So
tonight's guests both share a lifelong interest in UFOs and
have had several bizarre experiences, a lot of bizarre experiences
in their lives, and they decided to write their book
Who they are and what They're up to. And you know,

(03:39):
I have a copy, and yes I have read it
and finished it. Bookmarks back in the top. So as
we get going, we're going to be discussing the show,
and I want you to welcome to our show, of course.
Leslie and Steven Shaw, Hello, guys, all right, absolutely welcome
to the show. So we'll be keeping an eye in

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the comments. Looks like we already have a few people
before we get roll in. We have Trevor, Hi, Trevor,
and we have Jess saying hello, so we'll be getting
some more guests as we roll in here. So it
was great chit chatting with you backstage. And I really
enjoyed this book. And something that you mentioned was that

(04:22):
I really enjoyed the theory you picked up on the
questions we have kind of I've penned. Is that I do.
I love that part of it. And there's so much
to cover and so much to talk about. So what
do you you know, before we start about the book,
what do you guys do when you're not penning really fun,
interesting alien content.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Well, I'm a semi retired journalist. I still work for
the newspaper doing page layout and a little bit of writing.
And Skeven is a retired acupuncturist.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
And medical doctor and Tuchi master and taught that for
many many years, multiple different arts.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
I did, actually and right now I enjoy playing horseshoes.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
And he's a brilliant musician. He's a brilliant musician.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
And that's I love that because you got to have
something that's kind of outside of your you know, your specialty,
what makes what makes you tick. So before again, we
dive into the theories. Can you tell us Let's talk
about those encounters I mentioned. If you had to remember,
what was the first encounter for each of you of

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an other worldly being? Can start first, You've had a
lot like try and remember your first one.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
My first one was three three years of age. Yeah, wow,
super yeah, it was. But that at that point in
my life, you know, I was I was sleeping, of course,
on a bed, and I had I was told about
this family spirit guy that would visit people, that was
called Oglegly, and I would be visited in the middle

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of the night by this two legged being that I
couldn't see, but it was. It was jumping on my
chest to my stomach playfully, just like kind of say, like,
you know, how's the baby kind of thing, you know,
but it was it was you know, it was invisible
and it was it wasn't my mom or it wasn't
the cat or the dog. So it was two legged

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and I remember, you know, it happened multiple times. So anyway,
so that was my That was my first experience. Unleslie's
was was, Yeah, she's much different.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Later, well, I've had psychic experiences and astral experiences prior
to seeing my first UFO. But my first UFO was
just life changing.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
You know.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Stephen had had so many different experiences over the years,
and I believed him like ninety eight percent, right, there
was still this tiny little kernel of speculation right one,
you know, and we were we were together. So it
was his fourth UFO, my first. I was driving home

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at night and he was in the passenger side, and
it was I looked up through the windshield and there
was a bright white light in the sky I'd say,
about double the brightness of Venus, and uh, it was
moving slowly and I thought, well, maybe it's a plane
coming into Palm Springs Airports.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
Going west Joshua Tree towards.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
And then but it didn't behave like a plane, and
it it it was moving too slowly, and then it
would stop and just hover and and then it didn't
have those little blinky lights on the side of the
white light like planes usually have, right, and it was
just a solid round white light. As we stared at it,

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it moved to above the highway in front of us
and just stopped, and it started getting brighter and brighter.
So I don't know if it was moving towards us,
and us towards it, or just us towards it. But
it got brighter and brighter until it was about half
the brightness of the moon, and then it shot away

(08:15):
to the north at supersonic speed, instantaneously, supersonic speed probably
when I guess, I guess twenty thousand miles an hour,
and it was gone like that in a quarter of.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
A second, you know, right, we both saw it, and
we both were you know, I had a probably maybe
even a better view because she was driving, and I
definitely confirmed that. I said, oh, yeah, it went over
towards actually too. This is two thousand and five, in January,
about two thousand and five. Yeah, and our most recent.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
One movie later, yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
Still the Desert, And we also both saw that, and
tell me that was it was like you're saying, hello, Steve,
we know where you are, and then if.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
You will like a little check in, like just a reminder.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
It was. It was actually pretty impressive, that last one
we saw, but the first one is life changing.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
That's when I believed him slammed into one hundred percent,
believed him right, no, completely gone, and that you know,
a white lightness, a white lightless guy can be any
number of things, right, but when it takes off for
twenty thousand miles an hour, it can't be anything. But
then you.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Can't question it. And that's and I can say that
I've I've had I've I've only had one. I say,
I haven't seen an alien, but I've seen a U
I think I'm confident that it was a UFO. And
I was little, I was probably kindergarten, first grade, you
know what, five six, however old that is. And it
was in Paris, Texas that we were talking about. And

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there's a water tower there in Paris, Texas, and you know,
you look up and mom was taking me somewhere and
you saw the little like the side view of the ship,
like bigger into smaller, and we both looked up, and
I remember her looking at me, and I looked at
her because I could see it, and all of a
sudden it went just like that, exactly how you described,
you know. And at the time, I was like, well,

(10:10):
you know, I'm his kid, but I remember seeing it absolutely,
and it's being in the middle. I was I'm a
veteran myself. I was like, we have some pretty cool
toys in the military, okay, but to my knowledge, we
don't have any cool toys that do that, that can
do that.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
No, sorry, it's an order. David Fraber one of the
pilots that was the first one to see the tic
TAC during the you know, the Nimitz incident in two
thousand and four, and he said that it's an order
of magnitude ahead of our technology. And I agree with him.
It's it's not Russia, China or somebody.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
This is a total Yeah, it's a different, different thing
all together.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
And even though we know for a fact they've been
clocked at seventy two thousand miles an hour, it's one
of the one of the that's the fastest I've ever
heard them being clocked.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Uh yeah, I didn't know we had anything that could
read something that fast, So that's pretty wild.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yeah, But they never make a sonic boom, right, because
they're moving through our airspace the same way we moved
through our airspace, where air pressure ahead of a vehicle,
you know. And and it's.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
That like a like an aircraft, like a fighter jet,
it has to reach the sound barrier and then break
it where they're already booking. Baby, They're like, they're not
breaking it.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
They're well past it.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
Turns and things like their trance medium don't bank turns.
So you know a lot of people are saying, you
know that that are just you know, getting into this
and just seeing sorry, a lot of stuff gets faked
on the internet.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Oh and you can't Yeah, they can't fake it. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
But it's so sad because now everyone has a video
camera in their pocket now, and so you I think
this would be the era of disclosure, but now CGI
has gotten so good to the point where we can't
trust anything we've see now, yes.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Or the people that do film it. It's like they
found the one camera from nineteen ninety five and it's
filmed on a potato. Yeah, some terrible Yeah, you pick
up this and it's it's ten eighty you know, crazy whatever.
I'm like, really, what did you did you dig around
in your vintage collection to record this flying thing?

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (12:28):
And anybody any favors doing that kind of stuff. I
mean yeah, it's like even faking Bigfoot.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
I mean it's like, I mean, come on, yeah, they
do the same thing.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
You're messing with people like us who are trying to
do legitimate research, and you know.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
It makes a difficult one of the stuff about like
you know that No, actually, ten percent of the American population,
at least of the data last year of ten percent
still believes that the moon landing was faked, and twelve
percent believed that that the Earth is flat. That's like
thirty five to forty million people.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
It makes my brain hurt so much when I hear that.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
I watched an interview where somebody was interviewing Buzz Aldrin
and he's, you know, he's he came out. He's been
coming out and telling people about how this this UFO
followed them all the way to the moon, right. Yeah,
he says, you know, we we saw it, but what
could we do? We couldn't start there or something. But uh,

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you know, when he hears this stuff about the fake
moon landing or something like that, he just gets so incensed.
He says, are you kidding? We almost killed ourselves. Yes.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
And I enjoy these like the people that have the
knowledge of space travel and all the math it takes
and all this. And I was listening to Neil de
Grosse Tyson de Grosse Tyson, I always say his name wrong,
And he was like, if we did all this work
to fake it and all these equations to fake it.
We could just do it and it makes It's like

(13:58):
it makes sense if all the math maths, then why
don't we just do it? So that was pretty wild.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
Yeah, there's a lot of people that you know, that
want to swallow the pill, and there are a few
that want to still swallow the red pill. It really
depends do you want do you want do you want
reality or do you want fiction?

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Yeah, they do, they want fiction. And I think it's sadly,
you know, because are blamed on the educational system. I
think sadly people are dumber nowadays and and or they
live in the land of of I you know, there's
it's just they want to live in land and make
believe because it's scarce, because it scares them.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
Yeah, that was a good truck Man only song from
the nineteen eighties.

Speaker 5 (14:40):
It's actually, you know, we realized that our series can come,
as you know, a shock to people.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
But they really are rather logical. We try not to
be We try not to go down a lot of
rabbit holes. No, these don't require because of our theories
are that they're they're local. You know, the aliens are
actually a breakaway branch of humanity. Our customers still living

(15:10):
here on inside the planet, which is a very interesting,
very system. Yeah, so because we believe that, you know,
in our theories, you don't need faster than like travel,
you don't need theoretical physics, you don't need time travel,
you don't need interventional travel.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
You know, it takes the understanding part easier for those
who you know, science right foggles their mind or Matt
boggles their mind.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
Like Okham's razor, what is what would be most likely? Okay,
it's most likely that they're coming here ten to one
hundred thousand times a year from multiple different races, from
a different parts of the galaxy, and just happened to
be wanting to interbreed with us successfully and take our

(15:58):
cow bler and be doing this for multiple thousands of years,
and being interacting with my family for at least four generations,
right right, I mean, come on.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
It's such a pervasive phenomenon. It's seen all around the
world pretty often, and yet it's also a very old phenomenon.
It seems to go back thousands of years.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Stone templets, I mean, it's crazy or you know, stone
carvings about aliens. You see the whole face. It's there's
no way you can't put the one face next to
the like the face you see on the cover of
the book Communion and go, well that there's no way
it existed. You know, it's right here, right.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
There on the right or whatever.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Yeah, it's you know, enter example here, it's it's quite crazy.
Now the history I now now that we're talking about
theories and in your books, your book here, I want
to if we could, I want to talk about the
kind of the history of the UFO activity chapter I
love it. So this is not necessarily on the subject,

(17:04):
but mentioning other things. Now the project and chapter you
talk about the Project blue Book operatives and kind of
the links that they went to to Basically, the squeaky
wheel needs to get greased. So and Project blue Book
started happening quite some time ago. And do you think though,

(17:25):
that in the case of those things, do you think
those behaviors are still happening to either dumb it down,
make people think that they're seeing things, make make people
think that they're stupid you know, or can you give
can you think of an example where you think that's
still happening.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Oh, well, most definitely. There there's a very powerful faction
in our government, we think in the Pentagon that is
still trying to keep this phenomenon under wraps, still lying
about it, still punishing whistleblowers, still fighting against disclosure. You know,
we still see it going on today for sure.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
Yeah, let's say that it's not that we think it's
like or believe, it's more like what we have come
to understand, especially from Luisi Alessandro's book Imminence. He says
specifically that he got stonewalled so many times in the
in the Pentagon trying to bring things forward, and he says,

(18:25):
who knows that they're embedded, that there are elements within
the Pentagon that that they still want to spread disinformation
for their own long term purposes. I mean, it is
it is there that elements still exists.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
And they currently control that. The arrow. This new the
new version of a tip right is arrow.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
They just they just rebrand the kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
But yeah, the same thing in you know, the Project
Blue Book, they had a manual that they had for
dealing with extraterrestrial crashes. They got leaked to a whistleblower,
a UFO researcher a long time ago. But it goes
over the exact procedure about how to get the public

(19:11):
to to not believe it really happened.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
You know.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
They first they come in and they they they send
in these people, these men in black, would come to
a you know, let's say small town America has a
mass sighting, and they would interview everybody and get all
of the pertinent data for themselves, and then they would
start this ridicule campaign twisted to embarrass everybody into silence.

(19:35):
And embarrassment didn't work, then they would use threats. They
would threaten to kill your family. And if the threats
didn't work, then consequences would follow. They would somehow get
you fired from your job or some other you know,
punishment for you. And then we think in the rare
cases when they just couldn't shut people up that were

(19:58):
too vocal, they'd kill them.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, And I have I I love. I have a
weird obsession with Project blue Book. I want to find
and read old documents and I don't know why, but
I do. And there was there was a television series
recently called Project blue Book, and I was watching because
I wanted to watch the the oh my gosh, the
Braxi episode. Basically, so in West Virginia, and that's exactly

(20:23):
what happened. They basically, you know, it's an owl. They
go through the whole city, they tell everybody your nuts,
it's there's no way it could be this. And it
cut to another scene where somebody's in a mental hospital,
a person who served in the military, and they make
him think he's crazy and they like push him out
the window because he's like, I saw, I know what
I saw. Because they were talking about other instances where.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
General Forrestall, I think it was well Forestall wasn't in general,
but it wasn't gnastic twelve.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
He was a Secretary of State, Secretary of State.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yeah, so yeah, he wanted to do wild he was
in the forties and he wanted to come forward and disclose.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
Everything today, have you pat.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Ended up having aid Man Yeah yeah, yeah, Snider Okay,
so you get get too close.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
And I you know, with the you know, the men
in black weren't really reported until about the nineteen forties,
right right after nineteen forty seven one episode. There there
were some instances that in Bramley's book The Gods of Eden,
where these black entities would show up and spray fields
with his green gas and then everybody would end up

(21:39):
with pneumonic plague. So that was happening a long time ago.
But I what I see is that these men in
black they show up like even on navy vessels, and
they'll take all the information from the show up and
they basically have more They have more power even over
the captain of the ship. What I'm seeing is that

(22:00):
they do have ability of telepathy and mental manipulation because
they are able to pretty much get your way and
they just show up. They show up out it, almost
out of nowhere, and they're able to.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Get showing no insignia, no identification.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
They bally go.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Right, which is the first sign that they're not who
they look like they are.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
You know, we do know that every time they're tall Caucasians.
Yeah right, that's part of our theory that we found too.
That's very important we'll get to.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
So the first chapter in the book, I had to
assume that people would pick up the book that knew
nothing about this phenomenon, right, So that's what chapter one is.
It's like this crash course, almost bullet point. I just
love that.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
Being the history person, I was like, this was it was,
it was, it was like hold on we're going to
give you a through z, but we're going to do
it in this many pages.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
This happened. It was a small chapter, but it covers
the UFO coming on in the US over eighty years,
you know, quickly. Yeah, I like to focus on mass sightings,
especially because mass sightings are you know, when when size something,
they could be mistaken or you know, lying crazy. But

(23:19):
if three hundred people call the cops and say there's
a there's a UFO in my backyard, then know.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
I think two people can keep the story straight. If
you really try three hundred people or fifty people, even
ten people, the chances of all of them keeping the
same story is almost zero. It's sure, it's possible, but
it's not plausible.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Really.

Speaker 4 (23:40):
Game like, you know, with twenty people on a line
saying here's like even like seven words to remember in
a row, by the time he gets to the twentieth person,
it's changed by at least three, if not the whole
story has changed. Yeah. You know, if you have somebody
actually witnessing something that is exciting or scary, the chances
are they're going to remember it the same way.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yeah, quick comment, because it's not to make myself feel
boastful or anything. But I'm not sure if everybody in
the audience sees I wore my little green men.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Today and the green men thing came from because I
know they're gray and they've been reported as blue and white,
but it was more like, you know, I think it
comes from like the little green men thing.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
From War of the World's too Yeah, maybe.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Right, Yeah, I have you know, and I think every
alien thing I have is green. None of them are grey.
I mean, I like, it's creepy, confidential colors. So I
got to.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
The fact on the nervous system and seem like a
little sickly, you know, And it's kind of funny, you
like green in a certain way. It can make people
feel this a little a little queasy sometimes, yeah, and steaming.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
They saw they were they were preyed upon by the
tall grays. His brother Philip saw a tall gray in
his room one time, and that was when we realized
what we were dealing with, you know, before that, we
you know, first it's like, is it a haunting? What
exactly is going is.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
It some sort of other entity like what?

Speaker 4 (25:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (25:24):
You know, listen did that too.

Speaker 4 (25:26):
Yeah in our documentary on YouTube, you know, who they are.
We only get to part of my story, and I
felt kind of little chipped in a way. Yeah, because
I have something that happened to me that when my
dad my sister were living together in one house, and
my mom and my brother are living in the house

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that we were building up in the woods of Sonora, California,
which is three hundred and fifty miles away, that these
things were happening at the same time in January of
nineteen seventy nine, and it really quickly. The first night,
my dad, who was a cabin maker and I was
the apprentice, we're working together. He came to breakfast and said,

(26:09):
you know, Steve, and my doors opened, my closet doors
open and closed on me last night. And I just
kind of just took it, you know, and.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
They blew it off and went to work.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah, you know whatever.

Speaker 4 (26:21):
The next night, I'd been studying tai Chi and I
was reading Para Mahons and you went out his work,
and I gave my dad this little booklet to read,
and I thought he might enjoy this, right, So nine
o'clock and night he gave him this booklet, and then
nine thirty he came into my room with this puzzled
look on his face. He said, Steve, when I'm hearing bells,

(26:42):
I said, okay, I've been a musician in my life,
says I'm hearing silver bells. Well, I noticed silver bell
sounds like ding ding ding. Okay, and sure enough, here's
this bell being rung inside the wall by the chimney.
I got my sister. My sister was thirteen at the time,
and she came into the me. She said, where's that
bell coming from? So we're all hearing this bell going off.

(27:04):
It went on for a good ten minutes. So we
looked up the flu banged on the wall, whatnot. And
then it stopped and we went to bed, confused, as
anybody would be at that point. Right. So, because my.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
For you for being able to sleep by the way sidebar, well, well, I.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
Grew up in a family with this stuff was not uncommon.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yes, so many weird things. They kind of just started shrugging.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
I grew up doing only that we had a family.
We had a family spirit guy Colo Gleglely. Right. So anyway,
so we called my mom and my brother the next morning,
as we would do every day because they were, you know,
living in the house that we were actually physically building,
and my mom said to my desk, you know, Jeffrey,
the strangest thing happened last night. It was about nine

(27:53):
o'clock at night, and I heard this bell ringing, and
I thought it was the phone, and so she picked
up the phone and she started having this conversation with
this male voice. She said, it was a baritone voice saying,
I am the invisible on beachy or something like that.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
There is hindured cold of then like, we.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Don't know what.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
I have no idea what that was about. So I
got my brother on the phone. I said, Philip. Philip.
Philip was twelve at the time. I was eighteen. I said, Philip,
did the phone ring last night? He said, no, I
didn't hear the phone ring, but we're in the same room.
And Mom did pick up the phone and she was
trying to have a conversation with somebody. And this was

(28:36):
the exact time that the bell was going off in
our house. Okay, So the very next night, I was
sleeping in my bedroom on the of the lower bed
and I was awakened by a whizzing sound and I thought, well,
maybe a fan or bug kind of turned over and

(28:57):
looked down the hallway. There's a little bit of light there,
so I couldn't see anything. So I decided to go
back to sleep, and then laying on my left hand side,
and then the bank gets pushed twice gently.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Push push from the base, from the.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
Base from and I'm thinking, well, growing up in the
Los Angeles area, it's an earthquake. You know, been through
them before. That makes sense.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
I would buy that.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
I'm trying to be logical, right, And then push push
a getting stronger, and at this point I'm starting to
get worried, and then okay, it's like wake up this.
At this point I'm starting to think is somebody playing
a joke on me, a trick. And then I get
tap tap tap on my right del tap tap three times.

(29:50):
Wake up. And at this point I'm literally I'm scared
and irritated at the same time, which is.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Leave me alone, roll over.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
And I said, but and I'm looking at this shape
in front of me, and it's shimmery, and I look
at it and I look at it and then I
just black out. I told my dad and my sister
about it and went back to work. Okay, So so

(30:19):
the next night I decide I'm not going to sleep
in that room. I wore my work clothes from the
day before because I'm a guy, and I decided to sleep.
Decided to sleep on the couch in the living room,
and my piano is to my right hand side. So anyways,

(30:39):
I wake up about I woke about five thirty the morning.
It's dark, okay, but you know, it's a little light
on so I can see where I am. I look
at my piano, listen to a little fountain the other room.
So I'm awake, and I'm laying face up all right.
From behind me, twenty five feet behind me is the
front door. Now this to god, okay, this blue white, tall,

(31:03):
skinny six foot five roughly six teams through the front door,
carrying this whole field of blue white light with it
in about a second and a half to two seconds.
It was walking, but it was floating walking, and it
stopped on my right hand side. When it did that,

(31:26):
the whole side of my body went numb, okay, where
I couldn't move it. My right eye was already open,
but I couldn't close if I wanted. And I'm thinking,
I'm going to see you legly, I'm going to see
the family spirit guy I've heard about since I was three.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
You knew its like excited and scared, you know, like
a mix.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
I couldn't even effectively. I couldn't even move my left side.
But I was I wasn't in sleep paralysis. I could
tell you that for a fact.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
I was just gonna ask you read my mind. Being
in the paranormal world, you read my.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
Mind, I'm but then and then I thought, but don't
do you can't move. So the theological side of me
is saying, you know, hey, buddy, you're you have no
power about what you're going to do anyway. So this
entity bent down to my right side and whispered in
my ear. And this is important. This is not telepathy.

(32:19):
This is like it was audible, audible, said high Stea,
in kind of a whisper. But it was somewhere between
a male and a female voice. I wasn't sure, uh,
And I was trying to see its face. You know,
I got the idea, and I got I could pretty

(32:39):
much tell what it looked like, but I couldn't see
it full on. I couldn't have a conversation. And then
after about five seconds, it it basically unbent and basically
went back out the front door. And I can tell
people that there was no UFO parked in our driveway.
We had two big ducks.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
No no parking spot event, and they didn't.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
The front door. The front door didn't open and close
we think like a portal thing over there and flooded
the room flight from the other side.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
But the important thing is that wasn't in the documentary
is six hours later, it was eleven thirty in the
morning and my dad and I wanted to get some lunch.
So I pulled the coins out of my pocket, my
right hand side pocket, and put them on the table.
And these are all standard American coins, and every one
of them was magnetized. Okay, it's impossible. You can't magnetize

(33:33):
non magnetic material.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Again, I was just that the metal isn't Otherwise you
would never aible to get get on an airplane.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
They purposely designed coins so they can't be magnetized. So
because they have to go into vending machines.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
You know, and stay stick to everything on the way down.

Speaker 4 (33:56):
My dad can pick them up by the face. I
can pick them up by the edge. There are a
couple of nails on their sixpenny nails. Of course those
were magnetic, so we could pick up the coins by
the nails, nails by the coins, and so that was
left out of the documentary. And then the final night
was something I have absolutely no memory of. This is
what my dad experienced. We had, you know, separate bedrooms,

(34:18):
of course, separated by a hallway, and both our doors
were open, and he was awakened in the middle of
the night by this wall of blue white light that
was encompassing my doorway. And my dad, being an ex
cop from Great Britain, you know, like the Monty Python,
what's all this then type of stuff.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
So he.

Speaker 4 (34:42):
Said, you know, basically he wanted to find out what
was going on himself, right, So he was he was
getting out of bed, how the story goes, and this voice,
this time inside of his head, said, Jeffrey, just go
back to sleep. Nothing to see here, Everything's okay, And
that's what he did, did what the voice told him

(35:05):
to do, went back to sleep. And I have no
memory of that. Yeah, I have no idea what they
were doing to me, what was being done to me,
I have zero memory of that.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah, And we've tried to break through this this blackout
blocks with Steven with hypnosis, but we have to succeed.
It's it's such a traumatic experience, like you know, you
know remember Betty and Barney Hill, right.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, I didn't. I did an episode on him. In fact,
I think I have a duplicate of Betty's dress somehow
accidentally in my venture shopping and looks exactly the same.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Vintage yeah from there has a little needle hole in
it where they stuck through the the.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
It has a brooch in the front. I've never taken
a look behind it.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
I got to go find it when she finally was regressed,
you know, she she kind of she started screaming.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Yes though, my gosh, well alarming and listen to her. Oh,
we just.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Haven't been able to break through the block in Steve's
case yet, you know.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
With knowing that, you know you've seen these these creatures
through in your history. Have you ever tried to like
draw like have them like drawn, or have a sketch
made or like of your specifics or does that exist somewhere?

Speaker 2 (36:29):
I don't think he ever made a sketch. But Philip
saw the old Glegly you know, family spirit guide. He
saw it as a typical tall gray.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
Like you see, and they all the when he was
sixteen at the house that we were building in nineteen
eighty two.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
And even to unpack some of the things he was
just telling you when he saw the shimmery kind of figure.
In our experience, when people are abducted, they'll remember sometimes
little bits and pieces of their abduction. Uh, but when
it comes to the face of their abductors, they frequently
don't remember it or can't remember it. It's like, uh,

(37:08):
this is and uh, there sometimes is a shimmery quality
to memory, and or they'll remember it as owls or
u or other. You know, Stephen, when they were boys,
they saw them as gnomes, garden gnomes. Uh. His his

(37:28):
mother saw them as Chinese people in Chinese regalia.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Yeah. So my point is, though, is that this shimmery
quality to memory, I believe is signs of memory tampering.
Believe they do scram face their abductors. That's the main
memory they try and squelch. And so when Stephen saw

(37:54):
the shimmery object, I think he was looking straight at
an alien at the time, But later they tampered with
his memory and he couldn't modify shimmery vagueness.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
You know, it bent down to like you're right, ear
would be it bent down to meet from six now
Feld bent down and whispered, so I was.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
I was talking about the previous night, okay, right, yeah, yeah,
So you know where we started researching.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
After experiences to kind of organize.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
So at about thirty years old, he starts his research, right,
But I was forty five when I saw my first UFO,
and at that point we started researching a little bit
more vigorously, you know, especially like journalists that were that
were good at his research. Right, So we began doing
research in earnest, but it still took us about twenty

(38:47):
years to write the book. To get around to colliating
everything together.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
It's a lot, I mean, even just the examples of
everything it was, it's a lot. Even if you were
just taking a small peace to to to put it
all together. I could see why it took quite some time.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
You know, a lot of the stuff came from me too,
from the standpoint of I was doing my research at
the early early nineties when there were there was not
the Internet to really use, and there you know, there
I actually had to do with the actual reading, yeah,
you know, book microfilm.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Oh, I missed microfilm. I love it. I don't know why.
That was my favorite thing of going to all the
libraries to look through newspapers and things like that. I'm
an old spirit. I might be forty one in body,
but nope, I'm an I'm an old lady somewhere in there,
old old spirit.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
We recently did a podcast maybe six months ago with
two guys that live up in Sonora, California, where we
were building our house. Okay, yeah, and these guys, the
older guy had been doing the type of like microfish
and microfilms type stuff, but he'd been going through all
the newspapers for decades, and it turns out that Sonora,

(40:05):
California is like the third of the fourth fourth most
visited by UFOs in the whole country.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
It's it's a hot spot hot spots.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
It's a real hot spot.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
And ironically where we lived pretty close to, Joshua Tree
is another pretty.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Good I did because one of the episodes I kind
of did towards the end of end of last year
was the USA. I think it was top ten my
just UFO hotspots, but the one I chose from California
was from a different kind of level in the list
because I wanted to do one where they're underwater. I
can never remember what it is.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Please, yeah, yeah, like it's.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
From the earth and it was wild, and that was
where I was like, man, there's a lot in California.

Speaker 4 (40:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Now speaking of the location, because that was another because
that mentions one of the places in the chapter three
where are they hiding? Because you started talking about a
bunch of locations as soon as you mentioned the underground bases,
I thought of that episode that I just talked about,
and especially the one that's in Pine Bush, New York.

(41:20):
And in the eighties and nineties, crafts were seen coming
out of the ground and the people that lived there
could hear machinery under like earth, which is very crazy
to me, and they could see them exiting and entering
the ground. And in there they talk about a joint
military alien human type of base that exists, and you

(41:43):
mentioned that too a couple times. Do you think that
this alien race that is in these hot spots for
they talk about, do you think they're benevolent or malevolent?

Speaker 2 (41:55):
They're self serving and so sometimes our best interests align
with each other, and it seems like they're doing good things,
and sometimes they don't align with each other, and it
seems like bad things, but they're serving themselves. You know.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
We call them opportunists, but again we have from the
standpoint we do not actually call them.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Yeah, we call them cousins because their.

Speaker 4 (42:25):
Actions is that they are about twelve and fifty years
ahead of us, but they are a branch of humanity.
They are Homo sapien sapient maybe more they're more developed,
almost safe sapiens.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
They're actually slightly mutated from us, but we have that
they we have that evidence from this the hair of
the alien. Yess, Yeah, that was one of your questions too.
I was like aad sorry by in Australia. He he
awoke to two women in his bed and uh, he

(43:00):
was paralyzed, he couldn't move, and uh, one of the
women he described as very much like a hybrid alien persons.
Her eyes were way too large and her features were pointy,
and she had this long white hair and then which.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
I think would be terrifying.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Yeah, he was frightened, but then they they had sex
with him, and uh, he woke the next morning to
find this hairs in his bed and he got them
analyzed and these hairs are clear perfectly clear like fishing line,
and that there is no known human type of hair

(43:38):
that is perfectly clear and so, but when they tested
it genetically, it tests out as human except weird, weird
mix of DNA like Gaelic and Basque and Chinese, this
bizarre mixture of DNA. What the cruise though, is that

(44:00):
they are human, but they are mutants. They have mutated
from us a little bit, and we think it's from
living underground for thousands of years.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
This was real quick. This is exactly what popped into
my head when you mentioned that they're clear. Ghost Talk says,
it's like a polar bear hair like for where they're
you know, that's how they maintain their temperature where they
are in the globe. And that was exactly what I
thought of, was that like a polar bear, they look white,
but they're.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
Not exactly even the things even like with with with
Bigfoot and with the polar bears, the further north you go,
you'll find too, even with the Bigfoot, that the further
norse you go, the larger they get. That's because there's
actually a scientific equation that the larger body mass we have,
the more heat retention you have. So it's beneficial for

(44:49):
you to be ten feet tall versus six feet tall.
The further norse you get, whether you're a polar bear
or a big foot. The polar bears white, as you say, and.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
I it's because they don't have enough sun to require melanin,
you know, Like.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
But the fur itself is clear, which is crazy.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Yeah, it's wild.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
So but yeah, like that's what they So.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
There's there's the hair of the alien proof, you know, evidence,
and then there's also the fact that they're breeding with us.
You know, a lot of people think the breeding program,
Oh they might, maybe they're genetically modified ing you know,
eggs and and somehow doing this magic genetically where they're

(45:34):
they're making this hybrid race. But in point of fact,
they're just having sex. You think it's just getting pregnant pleasure.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Right, pleasure purposes and.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
To have their.

Speaker 4 (45:47):
Dissatisfying.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
I mean, you would think not a crafts. But if
he was truly terrified, I would think the anatomy would
not work properly.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
If you're paying out, I was right, Well that somehow happened,
but maybe they have well the ability to affect him
that well.

Speaker 4 (46:09):
For myself, they've probably taken plenty of my you know,
reproductive DNA. Yeah, but I don't remember ever having an
experience like that. But you know, if the woman's on
top of him that we know of, I'm sure that
they have ways of extracting you know.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Well sure, I mean that can happen. I mean, unfortunately,
it happens in the human race. Women can do it
to men just like men can do it to women.
So somehow it happens.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Yeah, it's still right, it is absolutely.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
But it still manages to happen, which is you would
think that the body would just not work properly.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
But what they call it, guys, where you have nocturnal emissions,
you know that can happen. You know, you have a
dream or whatever you thinker.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Just or stress whatever. It's amazing what stress can do
to us. So knows what can take place.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
But speaking of the most of the most of the
sperm that they take from men, we think they take
directly from the pro the prostate. That's what the whole
anal probe thing is right. And when they but with women,
they stick a needle straight into their ovaries.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
And that's when you hear Betty like the needles like
she was oh, I could still hear her voice, and
I probably only listened to it a couple of times.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
And then and then you have the uh, the pregnancies
that mysteriously disappear.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
At about I was just gonna say that you said
I'm driving, you knew exactly where I was going, because
that's what I was going to ask about. You know,
I've seen I've seen random shows or or read random
books or articles where these women are pregnant and and
they're not even necessarily impregnated by a human. They are
regular pregnant people. And then the baby they go in

(47:57):
for their ultrasound, and the baby's gone, not like a miscarriage,
like it's as if the woman never even had anything.
But they have all the prior ultrasounds to prove that
this woman four months ago was very pregnant and now
or there's cases of the women they know that something happened,
they're pregnant, and then the baby disappears.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
There's a professor. His name is Professor David M. Jacobs.
He's written several books on the abduction phenomenon. He did
ten thousand hypnotic regressions in his time period during his
long career. He's an older man now and he we
like looking at his data pool because it's a nice

(48:40):
big data pool from his research. It shows that about
a little over ten percent, almost eleven percent of abductees
in his test group were women that claimed they were
taken and they had sex with aliens and then five
months later, four or five months later, they're taken again,

(49:02):
and that's when the baby is stolen.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Yeah, and the stories of these women seeing visions or
seeing their potential child, but next time they see them
in a very short period of time, they're adults like
the babies, you.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Know, they'll be a grown up that they introduced them
to their their offspring and when they coddle their offspring.
Women are coming back and under black light, there's actually
like a like a phosphorescent residue that's left almost like
our cousins have mutated to have to be slightly glowing, right,

(49:38):
and their their the glow it comes from their their
skin oils and their sweat.

Speaker 4 (49:42):
You know, I think I could maybe shine shine. Yeah.
We have a good friend that did body harmony harmony
for years and they would get together in groups and
when they did these deep meditations and the different stuff
they would do working on people. They would end up

(50:02):
with this shimmery like white powder on their bodies. Okay,
when they got them tested. They're called monoatomic earth elements.
And actually these monoatomic earth elements show up outside of
the sarcophagus in the King's Chamber and the Great Pyramid.
In the Great Pyramid, there's this white powder, which are

(50:24):
they're rare. They're monoatomics, and it seems to be something
that is generated by a humanoid organisms somehow.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
It's like, well, humans generated when we're they have profound,
profound religious experiences or or yeah, well religious experience and
they'll actually stuff will rain down out of people's hands
sometimes like yogis and guru. But we uh, we definitely

(50:55):
we see it all around the sarcophaca in the main
chamber of the Great Pyramid right under the where you know,
the sarcophagus where the head goes. That sarcophaus is directly
under the point at the top of the pyramid. So
we feel like possibly this sarcophagus was utilized to I

(51:16):
don't know, pump a huge amount of energy and.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Yeah, like a battery reverseaty thing.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Yeah, they didn't tell us about, but we think that
it's some maybe it might have been a consciousness raising
tool that was one of one of its usages.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Yes, yeah, And speaking of that, you know, you mentioned
in in your you mentioned Egyptians taty Wa Khan Incon's
Maya are Mayan and all the crazy feet speaking of
the pyramids that they were able to do. And then
in modern day we're left scratching our noggins trying to

(51:57):
reverse engineer how this may have happened. You know, I
always wondered kind of how these civilizations that are done
these crazy things all of a sudden disappear, like like
the you know, the Mayans or the they just it's
like they fall off the face of the planet and
then something pops up later, you know, maybe some sort
of apocalyptic flood like you also, you know it's very

(52:21):
true water fire. Whatever can you kind of give us,
you know, what's your insight on how how you started
putting together these these civilizations cataclysmic events. Is this some
sort of existence with with what you call cousins you know,
after all this time, or are they another species? You know, like,
what's your thoughts on on that.

Speaker 4 (52:43):
I'll take this real quick.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Right, of course, there's there's a chapter in.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
There in our book where we basically examine just how
frequently these near extension level events or you know, exten
events have occurred. Okay, they're not that uncommon. And you know,
my formerly being a cave explorer, wildcare explorer in my
early twenties doing a lot of crazy stuff, I can

(53:07):
tell you that being underground, if you're an earthquake is
a very safe place to be. You don't feel the earthquake, right, so.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
It's definitely safer down there.

Speaker 4 (53:16):
So yeah, so we also know we also we found
that there were well less you can talk about the
nanodiamonds that we found other other things that you couldn't dispute.
We found that there was a genetic bottleneck that happened
in the human race around twelve, eight hundred and fifty
years ago, where we were reduced about a population of
ten thousand people.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
We are just like, you know nothing with.

Speaker 4 (53:39):
The stories of the Bible and the Mahabarita and these
different other texts, ancient texts that that there was fore
knowledge of a cataclysm.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Okay, these flood myths. That's something I studied in college,
was the ancient flood myths. Uh, there's a guy in
named Fraser from the eighteen hundreds. He wrote a book,
was it sev eighteen hundred, eighteen hundreds, I believe, And
he wrote a book about five hundred separate cultures around

(54:12):
the world that had a flood myth in their ancient lore.
And since then there's been a lot more of them discovered.
There's twelve hundred separate cultures all around our world that
have a flood myth in their ancient stories. And we
surmised then that the flood probably really did happen. And
sure enough, about four decades ago, nano diamonds were discovered

(54:37):
in thirteen thousand year old soil in large concentration and
thirteenth so we think thirteen thousand years ago there was
this miniature extinction event where the Clovis people disappeared. The mammoth,
the mastodon, the dire wolf, the saber tooth cat, the
American horse, American camel, most of the big animals of

(54:57):
the plains were all wiped out about the same ti
and the discovery of the nanodiamonds in the soil of
that time period proves that it was a celestial event,
impact event of some kind. And because Nanodiamonds only formed
during celestial impact events where a meteor or a comet

(55:18):
or whatever comes into our atmosphere, bringing dust particles with it,
and those dust particles superheat and turn into these tiny,
little round diamonds called nanodiamonds. And so there was a
high concentration of them in North America and right at
that time period and since then. At first we thought
it was the Hiawatha asteroid crater was discovered in Greenland

(55:40):
in twenty sixteen, and we thought, oh, this is it.
But since then that one's dated to forty eight million
years ago, so it's not that one. But since then,
the younger Dryas comet impact area has been discovered in
Lake Superior, and it has been dated to the correct
time period to twelve and fifty years ago.

Speaker 4 (56:02):
Somehow they know the size, and they said it was
sixty two miles in diameter or one hundred kilometers.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
And all of these flood myths talk about a warning.
They almost all begin with a warning that God came
and warned everybody that there was a horrible flood was coming,
and you better build an arc, or you better go
underground or go to high ground or whatever, and so
we surmised that this the event really did happen, and

(56:30):
somebody thirteen thousand years ago on this planet had high
enough technology, good enough astronomy skills to actually spot this
thing coming, and they warned the planet. We think that
mankind was more advanced than we give them credit for.
But that impact was so devastating that it kind of
scraped a lot of evidence of our of our our

(56:54):
technology off the surface of the world, you know, with
a one thousand foot eye tsunami, you know, rushing to
everything the same time. But after that, most of the
flood miss end the same too, And the ending is
mankind was fading away and dying out. We had devolved

(57:17):
into barbarism and cannibalism, and it looked like we weren't
going to make it, like we were going to be
wiped out. When a god came to us, or an
emissary of God or a family of gods and came
to us and re civilized us, brought us back up
out of the muck, you know, and brought us again

(57:38):
how to you know, grow crops and build, you know,
do architecture and math and you know everything, right. Yeah,
So I think that after the cataclysm well before the
cataclysm thirteen thousand years ago. Everyone sees this thing coming,
and we think that they a lot of them retreated
underground into these under ground cities, underground bunkers in order

(58:03):
to escape the extinction event, kind of like that movie
Deep Impact where Morgan Freeman's they're creating fifty. You know,
they're creating an underground bunker where fifty. We think that's
exactly what happened, you know, is that they saw this
thing coming, then they so some of them went underground,

(58:23):
and those didn't lose their technology or their culture or
their knowledge, where the rest of us, poor Schmos on
the surface, we were almost they were almost wiped out
to a man, and a few survivors were chuck back
into the Stone Age and had to start over essentially.
And so we think that what happened was they took

(58:43):
pity on us at some point, possibly realizing that they
still needed us too, you know what I mean, because
we think they may becoming less viable living underground, and
maybe that is one of the reasons for them stealing
DNA from surface dwellers, you know.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
What I mean.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
I mean vitamins and sun and oxygen, and yeah, it's
gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Could have possibly be negatively affecting their ability to reproduce
their own race.

Speaker 4 (59:12):
Explains their need for cattle blood and cattle sex organs.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Yeah, we think they took herds under with them, you know,
and those are also becoming non viable, and that explains cassation.
So we think that they came some of them, came
back up to the surface, installed themselves as gods and
basically re civilized us. And uh, this is where some

(59:37):
of these inexplicable buildings and megalithic structures are coming from,
is that they, with their superior knowledge, came back to
the surface, built all this stuff and then disappeared again, right,
you know.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
And so.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Like in in yeah, like Axuman and Puma Punku, and
you know, the Peruvian and Bolivian sites there definitely couldn't
have been built by the Inca. The Inca were bronze
tool users and and just and just the road going
through the Andes these they actually made a road going

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through the entire Andes mountain range, and uh, we don't
think they were ever capable of building these sites. And
there's a lot of that kind of thing with the
people who the pyramids are attributed to could not have
built the pyramids. They they had copper tools. They didn't
even have bronze tools. So uh and you know, uh,
there's rows granite lines the main chamber of the Great

(01:00:41):
Pyramid and granite. You can't you can't make a dent
in granite with copper tools, let alone you know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
A few strikes then it would be destroyed.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Like so the INCA they keeping you know, modern archaeology,
they keep attributing these sites to the INCA in South America,
right and until finally one of the big megalithic cities
called Carl Supe, a big chunk of rock broke away
during an earthquake and exposed this grass netting that was

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underneath the stones and that was d NA, I mean
a carbon dated and it showed that these structures were
built five thousand years ago. And this is thousands of
years before the INCA.

Speaker 4 (01:01:31):
Years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
It was actually about five hundred AD.

Speaker 4 (01:01:34):
So it's years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Yeah, so but this is many thousands of years before
prior to that. Yeah. Uh we uh so now we
know for a fact that five thousand years ago there
was a pyramid megalithic site building culture in South America
that we know nothing about.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Right, We're still trying to Yeah, and speaking speaking of
of ancient it was kind of civilizations or people. Another
interesting thing that you brought up was giants, and that
was really like, as soon as I thought and you
mentioned there was a quote, I have to look at
my quote because it was very It was very interesting.

(01:02:17):
Your quote said d line quote A race which flourished,
lived and died many centuries ago, and those days told
of in scripture. And I immediately was like, I don't
remember learning about giants in the Bible, but I am
not that well read, I'll admit right away. I learned
the basic Bible school stuff. And my husband was like, yeah,

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they mentioned in and that's a very that's what the
number one book in the world regarding of what you believe.
It's just sold everywhere. It's a hotels, so it's a
mass produced and they talks about giants. So there's another civilization,
another civilization. You know. Do you feel that these giants
were just another version of us, like you're mentioning kind

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of like cousins, or do you think they were otherworldly?

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
Just just real quick, I want to mention too that
if you want to do further reading of that. Get
the Ethiopian Bible. Okay, that's the.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
Book you mentioned that. Yeah, there's I mean in different
religions there's usually kind of taught. You know, maybe you
don't read certain versions, but for research absolutely, you know,
it's like you have. The only version I know is
the one that they show in the Lutheran Church. So
I was like, well, now I want to know about
these other versions.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Well, you know, we can only theorize, of course, but
this is what I think it is, is that remember
we talked about our cousins coming back to the surface.
M Enoch talks about them the watchers that return to
Man from the skies, right. He said, there there was
like what two hundred and fifty of them or something,

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or for two hundred of them, and they came to
Earth and they took wives and started having kids. You know, So,
if our cousins have slightly mutated from us and they
came back to the surface and started having sex with
us and producing progeny, because they are mutants, they're slightly

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mutated from us, we think they're their progeny may have
been these obnoxious giants. They're they're they're said to be.
They're stupid, they're they're mean, they're cannibalistic. Uh, they're you know,
in other words, they're not like.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
I remember mister Creep was telling me that it's like
they're not it's not. They're not always in great light.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Yeah, they're usually.

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
The part of book about the Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
Yeah, the giants on Anachi are supposed to be giant too,
But I I really hesitate to be sure on that
because they're always depicted as giants, but so many times
just a person. If they're an important person, they'll be
made bigger like these do that right, they'd have a

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giant statue of the Pharaoh, and his wife would be
half size, and his his architect would be one foot tall,
you know, because it's so I can't be sure that
they really were giants. But that's another possibility too, is
that the possibly these giants are part on Anaki and

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part human and that's why they're gigantic.

Speaker 4 (01:05:50):
Yeah. Hugh Neuman has got a couple of really good
books that you know, we've met a couple of times.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
We can only theorize though we can only kind of guess.

Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
Giants from you know, eight foot tall to twenty tall
depending on what you believe.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
You know well.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
I will say though that when I was reading, the
main source of data on the giants is newspaper articles
from around the eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds. You know,
there somebody may be plowing their field and dig up

(01:06:26):
a giant, and they dug into some of these mounds,
and they found giant skeletons in them, and those were
all the evidence was just scooped up by the Smithsonian
and disappeared somewhere. You know. We think it's usually.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
What happens when it's something they don't want us to
know about.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
But only were all of the articles I read, they're
only the tallest skeleton was twelve foot.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
That's like a recent I had. I've only recently started
diving into that. And I'm sure you learn about giants
in folklore and things like that, but I've only recently
kind of realized that they're showed up in real texts
and books and magazines and newspapers in fair recent history.

Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
So there's there's a rare there's a rare book out
there from like an island that's near the Solomon Islands.
This guy we were talking to you not long ago, well,
they just about a couple hundred years ago, they literally
had giants that were still living on this island and
they they actually had to end up killing I think

(01:07:32):
one of them or something. They had a battle, they
had like you know, like a wrestling match whatever, and
this giant was like you know, nine foot tall or whatever,
hit this guy in the chest and killed him with
one shot, and they it was very well documented. In fact,
it's a rare book. We wrote it down here somewhere.
It's a rare book, just like five hundred dollars now
to get hold of this.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Of course, I was like, what's the book name.

Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
Account of this? This tribe of giants that were still
around owned just as of like one or two hundred
years ago that it was like, in a while, I
think it's in the Solomon's, you know, with the Solomon Islands.
We'll try and get that, get that information for you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
But yeah, because usually even though those books they're somehow
been scanned in over time, and even if you can't
get the book, some sort of came you know, was
it Cambridge or you date, Yale or whatever, they tend
to have it somewhere in their library. So that's interesting that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
Would be cool, Like, you know, we think that as
far as like the the the being spirited away, these
skeletons of the giants in Europe was probably more to
do with the Vatican because Smithsonian wouldn't be have that
far of a reach. But there's have been a disinformation
and a squelching of old knowledge, and I think it's

(01:08:53):
because we really are in in this type of a
relationship with our cousins where they don't really want us
to know him the surface that you know, who's really
in charge of the planet or underneath our eat and
have been here for a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
Well, and even look at everything we don't understand as
a human race, we destroy, we kill, you know all
we found the only ginormous guppy fish in the middle
of the ocean, what do they do? We kill it?

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
First thing?

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
First thing? They show it on a hook and there's
a picture next to it, the biggest ever found in
the world. What do we do? We kill it? So
I kind of don't blame them for like, oh, we
don't exist, we're not we do.

Speaker 4 (01:09:33):
We found a big foot, we would kill it and
dissect it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Yeah, yeah, Like I don't blame him for running absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
If we if we believe Admiral Birds, and we do,
if we believe Admiral Bird's diary where he met with
the the Ariani, which are our cousins, that the branch
that lives under the ice sheet in Antarctica, if we
believe that he met with them, one of the things

(01:10:03):
they said to us was that we try not to
you know, you welcome to the underworld. The the Ariani.
We try not to have anything to do with you
surface people and your barbaric wars. So they think of
its as barbarians, you know, I mean, we are, but

(01:10:24):
because you've learned to crack the atom, now we have
to make an exception. We don't think you should have
this power. This power is beyond your ability to control it.
I would have thought at the time I read this,
I would have thought it was a nice little myth, maybe,
except for the fact that the UFOs are incredibly worried
about our nukes. From ay one they start, they started

(01:10:47):
parking UFOs outside our nuclear research facilities, outside our nuclear bases,
outside our nuclear silo launch silo bases, you know, and
any military installations that had nuclear weapons.

Speaker 4 (01:11:02):
They aircraft carriers or nuclear subs.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
And they're following our military. And I didn't know how
often they were following our military until I saw the
in twenty twenty three, you know, the congressional hearing with
the two pilots and the David Grush, the whistleblower guy.
One of the pilot's Graves said that Ryan Graves said,

(01:11:26):
we are seeing these UFOs every single time we go
out on maneuvers. They're following us every single time we
go out on maneuvers. And so that's when I realized
that they're monitoring our nuclear weapons all around the world
all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:11:42):
And a lot of these sightings go back to two
thousand and four, way before there was any advanced drone technology. Yeah, okay,
so that the Chinese are reporting the same thing, the
Russians are, the Japanese, the British or are reporting the
same things, the same type of interactions. Any of the
superpowers are being followed, not just the Australians.

Speaker 5 (01:12:02):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:12:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
It's interesting because you say air aircraft, you know, naval
aircraft characters they're nuclear powered, but we we don't. Well,
I say that was my job. I was a nuke
in the Navy, and I was like, we but there's
no nuclear weapons on a carrier, so I wonder why
they would be following a carrier. There's there's weaponry, of course,

(01:12:24):
absolutely sometimes, but the subs absolutely, you know, the subs absolutely,
we got all kinds of fun toys on those. That's
what they're there for. But but for nuclear power, it's
just propulsion, you know, that's all they're using it for.
But it's got a heck of us you know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Not just nuclear weapons.

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
So I'm curious.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
It's like, are they tracking that that there's a there's
reactors or if there are they tracking because they want
the weaponry, because they're.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
Because they also have you The Nimitz incident also included
a lot of USO activity underwater activity as well.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
That's the acronym I couldn't remember earlier, thank you. The
one off aunt for scrambled.

Speaker 4 (01:13:11):
I was the CB in the Navy from eighty to
eighty six, so I was air debt mostly when we
went places, you know. Well, actually did a turon a midway.
I was lucky that way in nineteen eighty one, So
that was fun.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
I saw that, and I was like, okay, I like him.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
Yep. My grandpa was in my uncle was in.

Speaker 4 (01:13:32):
Yeah, everybody everybody in my in my bloodline on both
sides apart my younger brother did military duty, whether it
was the RAF, whether it was the My my uncle
on my dad's side did American Army and he's funny,
he he. He had a PhD in engineering by the
time he was twenty one because I had the program. Boy,

(01:13:59):
they basically a seven year program in England post World
War Two where you start out like as an apprentice
and you go through this where you have to learn
how to build everything from scratch. And by the time
we finished with seven years, you have the you have
a PhD. And so when over to the United States
when he was twenty one with a PhD, he.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Had no pea, take any job you want.

Speaker 4 (01:14:24):
Fantastic craftsman and an engineer. But you know, it was like,
we don't have lack of intelligence in our bloodline.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
That's yeah, we do think that.

Speaker 4 (01:14:37):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Stephen and I both did a lot of Kundalini raising
work and chanting work and you know, chakra vibrating work
in our lives. And as we were doing those practices,
we discovered more and more that we were becoming more
telepathic and it made me realize that telepathy is actually
a human birthright that has ad trophied in us, but

(01:15:02):
not atrophied in our cousins. We think that you see,
it actually takes work to open keep the consciousness open
enough to have telepathy. And and so we think in
their culture and the way they raise their children that
this is a regular practice. That's why they're capable of
communicating with everybody telepathically. And we think, even though they

(01:15:25):
are physically human, the just the fact that they can
read minds, they can read each other's minds, I think
would make them quite different than us in so many ways.
Their society, their culture would be just night and day
from us.

Speaker 4 (01:15:41):
Because we're doing with DNA right now, now we're getting
closer and closer to like almost like a minority report
where we can almost like a scary movie, who's going
to do murder? Or let's say somebody's just done three rapes?
And now we and now we have the ability to
build a process the semen samples so quickly that we
know who the person is. There. You're doing it on

(01:16:01):
cases that are fifteen sixty years old.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
You're finding out it's just like you know they're clearing
their cold case shells.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
Now, well, now everybody's given their DNA to find out
who their great great great great grandpa was, and they're
just sending it in.

Speaker 4 (01:16:14):
If everybody can reed minds, you're gonna you're you're going
to start weeding out the people that are really just
evil because it's no benefit to your society.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
Yeah, they would be sort of anybody who wasn't an
anti social personality would kind of be shunned in that
kind of a society, I would think, and it would
slowly weed that element out of their population. And so
we think they're enormously different than us, but physically not that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:40):
Different from us. I think it was you know, we
know we've done like what is about two thousand nuclear
detonations between all the countries since since nineteen.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
Forty three, many underground a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:16:51):
So it's like, you know that it's definitely attracting the
attention of somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
Yeah, I think that's there at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
It's like a like a bug lamp to to anybody
who's sensitive to it. You know, all these these means.

Speaker 4 (01:17:05):
We look at it like it was coon like a
like a scramble to like you know, to to get
your your your jet fighters, like out of moth balls,
and figure out what to do when they realize that,
oh my god, these people, oh my.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
God, they have nukes. Now.

Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
Yeah, so you know, we don't we're not violent people,
but we're going to have to deal with these violent
people that are. There's a lot more of them than us,
and there the planet.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
They start studying them.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Now, I think of the problem they have. They have,
Like I said it the other day on a podcast,
I said, they have eight billion obnoxious boobs up on
their ceiling, you know, yesous, yeah, serving, greedy, you know, all.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
The bad qualities. That's that's the humans.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
There's eight billion of them up there.

Speaker 4 (01:17:57):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
We haven't question in the audience, and it actually came
up a little while ago, but we were talking about
other things at the time. So Jess Asks says, I'd
love to know their opinions on star Seeds, saying that
she did research after watching the interview with what Goes
Bump and that she's just curious. Is that something you'd
like to shed the light on. I don't want to

(01:18:20):
miss that question.

Speaker 4 (01:18:23):
Star seeds. You know the star Children, Oh, star Children?

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
Oh okay, I think that's what you mean, right, the
star children.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
I'm not sure she didn't elaborate further. Maybe she'll leave
a comment here in a second.

Speaker 4 (01:18:35):
Definitely, we've seen definitely evidence of a increased evolution of
the human genome, especially like as an example, I use
an example of an eighteen month old boy, a white
boy that was sitting at a piano and I'm a

(01:18:56):
pianist myself, so I really appreciated this and he's just
like playing without the music. He's playing a simplified version
of clear delim by Debusse on the piano. And there
are multiple examples of these, you know, star children or
star seeds having telepathic or even telekinetic abilities. Definitely musically,

(01:19:22):
definitely enhanced ability with languaged early ability with language. So yes,
we also increased eye size too.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
Yeah. We think about the DNA was tested of the
human race from three thousand years ago, and in just
three thousand years our genetic genome has changed seven percent.
This is a huge change in such a small time period.

(01:19:52):
We think they're changing us. We think that they're trying
to sibolize us and slowly trying to you know, get
us to be more better, take better care of the
planet and you know, be less greedy and be less Uh. Yeah,
they're trying, you know. I think that's evidence of their

(01:20:15):
of their tampering with us. They're trying to civilize us,
and I think it may be working a little bit.
When I read like, uh, the Hunchback of Notre Dame, right,
this is just a hundred years ago, right, and it
uh the uh, the people of that time period used

(01:20:37):
to go down to the town square on the you know,
to see the people being tortured. Yeah, oh we've got
a hanging today, you know. So this bloodthirstiness, it's not
it's not entertainment so much anymore, you know what I mean.
It's like, I think we're getting a little less bloodthirsty, hopefully.

Speaker 4 (01:20:58):
Now we do it in the movies, though we see
horrific stuff in movies. It's like we're getting you know,
we're kind of desensitizing certain ways, but oh very much so. Yeah,
really being desensitized, that's the way I'm seeing. But you know, yeah,
even in America just a few couple hundred years ago
at the most, maybe one and fifty, it was okay,
it would be the Sunday hanging, you know. Okay, we're

(01:21:19):
gonna get hand.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
They'd pack a picnic lunch, you know, and go down
and watch them torture people.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
Well, and then it swung the like and you know
in the fifties you say even there's way more decades.
But I'll just use that one as an example. I mean,
you couldn't say damn or like it was the anything
with scandalous in movies, you know, Corford Hitchcock, Oh my god,
it was just horrific. And now we've swung the other way.

(01:21:45):
And actually, someone that's in our audience right now, he
just got here. He's over. He was on our podcast
before Halvington hell Master. He runs on horror movies and
does reviews and things like that. And not to call
him out, but some of the things that he shares,
I don't know how those movies even make it into
so people can see them. They're horrific, Like, I just.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
Don't has gotten a lot more graphic. It used to
be more of a psychological.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
We're completely desensitized. But it's like back in the day,
let's watch someone get their head chopped off. Yay, I'll
bring up ye.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
You know, I'm like, like, gotten so much worse than that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:24):
Even that, you know, you know, oh yeahs out and
eating them. You know what kind of stuff horrible stuff alone.
You know that the show alone, which we both like.
You know, you see these people just take out animals
and then they have to like chop them up, and
you see that in movies. To like even that even that,

(01:22:47):
what was it that that series we watched Gold Dexter.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
But I love that, love his job, and I love
the meticulous nature.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
But yes, yeah, I mean they really that really helped
us to desensitize a lot right there, that care.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
And what's crazy is that show is like they really
don't like yet it's compared to what the movies are.
It's not I'm like, oh, I can't watch that kind
of stuff, although alien movies scare me so to be honest, well,
I don't see any more additional questions from our comments.
We've had a lot of comments tonight, so thank you

(01:23:27):
so guys, Thank you so much guys for everyone. I'm
kind of just going back through to make sure I
didn't miss anything. So I told them they could ask questions.
So far, we've just we've only we've had lots of
really good comments, so I think that was one of
our last questions, do you have any other little tidbits
that you wanted to make sure that you brought up

(01:23:47):
before we kind of wrap things up.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
Well, we talked a lot about what we thought happened
about thirteen thousand years ago, and that's like the first
half of our book. The second half of our book
is looking more at the Onanaki question and looking at
events from three hundred thousand years ago when we believe

(01:24:10):
that the human race was uplifted. There's actually some signs
of this, and you know, the Onanaki have their stories
about how they the ancient Sumerian tablets talk about how
they needed their aliens that came here from another planet everybodies,

(01:24:33):
and they they so they wanted a worker race, and
supposedly they took Homo erectus and uplifted us into Homo
sapien and then slowly, over the next fifty thousand years
continue to improve the model into Homo sapien sapien. And
I would have thought, oh, what a lovely little myth,
this is what a great little story, except that there

(01:24:54):
happens to be some genetic proof of it, you know,
in our genetic genome, in.

Speaker 4 (01:24:59):
The neo cortex. Yeah, the new cortex around broke his brain.
Jason Martell talks about this. I actually went to a
lecture on this and they actually can show us. It's
like a cut and paste Crisper job that was done
around the neocortex area of broke his brain, broke his brain.
Famous book that Carl Sagan wrote.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Which happens to be about the same time period are.

Speaker 5 (01:25:26):
Where we were evolving from, you know, three hundred thousand
years ago. So we're talking which is about the same
time period that this part of the brain was, you know, evolving.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
Ghost Dog says that series was my idea. He'll have
all kinds of ideas and then sure enough it'll pop
up on TV. So I had to share that.

Speaker 4 (01:25:51):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
So we think that the this uplifting really did take place,
and because of the Chris chris Per thing and so,
and about the same time period is when the two
possible progenitors for Bigfoot were alive on the planet Homo
erectus robustics right, robust Oh, thank you, I'm sorry, Astrolopithecus

(01:26:18):
robustus and what was the other one, Gigantopithecus. Right, these
two we think that these are possibly you know they
took those and created Bigfoots. I think they were trying
to create a worker race. You know, Bigfoots would be
an incredibly good worker, right, I mean strength the wrong. Yeah,

(01:26:43):
they they created both of us at that time period.
And we think that they utilized Bigfoots as sentries guarding
the entrances to their underground cities.

Speaker 4 (01:26:57):
We want to wrap this up that we want to
talk about, like also about let people know about like
our TV show.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Well, okay, well we'll get to that then. So again,
the book is who they are and what They're up
to anyone who reads it Hiawatha change younger, dry ass
for hiawa Right. And then we have a documentary out
called Who they Are. It's on YouTube. And we have
our own show now called Abductions one oh one UFOs

(01:27:29):
and the Paranormal Connection because we see, because of our theories,
we think we see a lot of uh uh crossover
crossover between the cryptid phenomenon, you know, the Bigfoots and
the dog Boys and the moth Boys. We think our
cousins have no qualms about using genetic manipulation to create
hybrids whenever they we think, you know, like when we

(01:27:51):
want to do a bunch of underwater work. We put
scuba gear on our people, right, and when they want
to do a bunch of underwater work, they breed a
bunch of underwater breathing creatures, these workers, these genetically engineered works.

Speaker 4 (01:28:05):
There is a huge that there's a huge underground ocean
of subsurface. I forget how many miles down it is,
but it's about about as big as our our oceans
on the on the surface. So obviously either either we
we uh came across the Grays that may even be
more of an ancient civilization than we are, or we

(01:28:26):
genetically tampered and made them you know, a part you know,
part human but also part synthetic.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
That's our theory because we think they the grays, the
small grays, they tend to behave like robots. They don't
really save like living creatures, like normal living creatures. They
tend to they never question anything. They always know what
they're doing next. They never stand around going on, what
do we do next or anything like that. And they're

(01:28:54):
they're completely emotionless. Everyone said, even when they're terrifying, they're victims,
they're not. They show no emotion to it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
Yeah, sociopathic in nature, like.

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
Yeah, we think you're vulcan, and we think the Nordics
are kind of the ones in charge. The Nordics. Aliens
look just like we do because we think they are right.
They are us right, you know, And that's why they're
taking so many Caucasians, like ninety of abductees or Caucasian

(01:29:27):
And that made no sense if they're coming here from
distant star systems, right, why would they care about one
race versus another race. But if they happen to be
a branch of the Caucasian race, like we think they are,
then of course they would have all kinds of uses
or you know, Caucasians.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
Makes sense though, it totally does. And you see a
lot of cryptids, you know, like Mothman, Flatwood's Monster, Bigfoot.
They often cross talk about, you know, are these aliens,
especially the Flatwood's monster because they think that that was
and an alien ship that crashed just because of what

(01:30:03):
she They say she because of the dress. So it's
it happens in so many conversations they talk about and
it makes sense what you just said, like the cross
between the two.

Speaker 4 (01:30:14):
Yeah, they're always by pedal too, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
Every single all the aliens. Are you know, bipedal.

Speaker 1 (01:30:20):
Hominids right with the almost.

Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
Even some of the weirdest ones, even like one of
the people were in contact with was having sex with
He called her what did he call her? A insectoid queen? Uh?
And he has he has children by.

Speaker 4 (01:30:41):
Her videos I would like to see.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
Anyway, But you know, he for science take right with
her and had babies.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
You know, but in the modern day.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
I asked him, does she have the same skeletal structure
as we do? And the answer is yes, So there's
we're still talking about perfectly upright walking bipedal hominids.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
But the head is different. That's how he knows.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
Yeah, they have. He showed me. I sent him a
ton of pictures saying which one is it?

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
You know what I mean? You know, it's like a
lineup of of you know, candidates.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
Yeah, they has like a crest the back of its
head and the mouth is a little bit almost like mandible.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
Like and very Babylon five ish if you guys watch
that show. But that's yeah, that's crazy. I mean, I
guess if it's still happening in today's world, I'm sure
it is. Lots of people just probably don't want to
admit to it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
And so if people want to reach out to us
and talk to us or ask any questions, uh, feel
free to reach out on our Instagram page. It's at
Leslie dot Shaw dot author and us if you have
any questions happy and I.

Speaker 1 (01:32:02):
Have tagged all of your website and of course your Instagram.
It's all. It's all in the description below. So and
whoever's watching this will come off of our live page,
but this video is going to be going into our
our kind of catalog of videos that you can watch
at anytime that's not just a live video. Now. Who

(01:32:23):
they Are and what They're up to is available on
ebook and paperback book. You can go to who they
Are book dot com correct did I say that?

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
Right? Okay? Until Amazon to buy it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
Or Amazon and to buy it. You learn about the
book on their website and check out their blog, their projects,
and pick up a copy of their book if you
are a like minded creep because it's in the Creepy
Confidential Library now and it will be going right over there.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
They started having a merch page too. I was an
artist before I was a journalist, so I did a
lot of the designing myself and Steve did it a
little bit, you know, very cool shirts, you know, yeah,
this is one of this is our one of our shirts.

Speaker 1 (01:33:10):
I love it. I love that we wore our own
merch real quick as I have mine on.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
It's like a uniform, right, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
Yeah, I was like, you gotta you gotta wrap your
own you know, your own designs and your own brand.
And of course, yeah, we just had we had our
Spice spoke about the the hell Master, the gentleman that
runs a channel here on YouTube, and he says, just followed,
So he has just followed you guys, Hell's O one TV.

(01:33:38):
He was part of the finale for last year, so
you would if you want to see who that is
really cool people over there says I'll definitely be watching
the replay. So those are some of our last comments.
So thank you again so much for joining our kickoff
for twenty twenty five. We've been talking about this for
a while and then January fine rolled around, so it

(01:34:01):
was a lot of fun to have you on. And
if you can just hang out for a couple minutes,
I'm gonna just sign out on here and talk to
everybody for just a second. But don't eat real quick,
all right, say goodbye everybody? By all right, everybody, So
I hope you enjoyed the show. This video, of course,

(01:34:23):
will be going into our catalog. You can go to
creepyconfidential dot com if you want a shirt. We have
all kinds of designs, including a what would have been
episode art that is now on all kinds of cool things.
Our Heaven's Gate art is also on their classic logo.
We got the three D logo, all the merch designs.

(01:34:45):
You can go back and watch all the live streams
there as well. We have lots of episodes coming which
I cannot wait. Went from kind of busy, too busy,
and I cannot wait to bring you all kinds of
creepy content. So until next time, I can not wait
until next time. We'll see you next time here on
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