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Unsolved. What is up everyone,Dylan speaking and thank you for joining us
on this episode of Creepy Unsolved.In today's episode, myself and Laura are
joined by future author Missy Sterling.Missy shares our encounter with the Chalk White,
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what the Fuck and much more.It was an absolute blast talking to
Missy, and I know you're goingto enjoy listening. Be sure to hang
around to the end to find outmore about Missy's book and where you can
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Send us an email at Creepy UnsolvedMedia at gmail dot com. Now,
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with all of that out of theway, let's begin. Yeah. I
have a dog. His name isMichael. He might get a little vocal,
but he's usually pretty good about mindand his manners. I had to
talk with him before I came on, so he said, you know,
I'll try to be cool, andI was like, well, then we're
good. My dog's pretty pretty quietabout right now. He's probably sleeping,
but if you catch them bed day'sbarking at the wall and shit like that.
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So it really makes it difficult,you know, likest in your house,
I must it must be something likethat, or just traffic. I'm
gonna say it's just traffic outside allthat road noise. Yeah, it was
definitely, I guess. Oh ohdude, freaking we came home, was
it yesterday or the day before?And like we're driving down the road towards
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her house and we can see theside door and it's fucking wide open,
and it scared the shit out ofme and my wife because they're like,
fuck the cats because they want togo outside, dude, and we're like,
oh my god. And so welike, I'm We're getting out of
the car and my wife, Aaron'srunning for the house. I'm like,
wait, that tossed with the keyslike all dramatically, and she had fumbling
like opening the door, and thenshe runs in the house. I'm getting
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aria getting her in the house too, and then she comes back. They're
like, they're in the house,but they're wet. The massles went outside.
They went outside. You know,it was snowing too, so they
went outside in the snow and they'relike fuck this ship, and they turned
around and came back again. Myfirst thought been, if the door's happen,
someone is in my home. There'san intruder. But like you guys
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are like hardcore, we're going infor the cats. Send his wife in
first and bring the kid along innext. I'm like, oh, okay,
because I'm sitting here thinking what ifsomebody was in the house. Well,
this door is always like blown open. You have to dead bolted or
it blows open. I don't knowif there's negative pressure in the house,
and it's like sucking it open whenthere's force on the outside. But another
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story about an intruder in my house. It was pretty close. Like I
woke up in the middle of thenight and I have this big, gass
door in my basement downstairs. It'sprobably like a double sized door. It
makes this distinct sound when it opens. You can hear it scraping across the
concrete in the basement. So Iknow that sound. So I wake up
and I hear something downstairs and likethis dead bolts from the inside. I'm
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like, I know, I didn'tforget to lock that, but it sounds
like someone's pushing it open. Skyjump out of bed, and I'm like
loading my revolver. I had myspeed roder trying to fucking load that.
My dogs bark in and we're like, oh, let's fucking get them,
so I can open the basement stairsand running down my loaded gun, you
know, probably in my underwear.But my dog's running down there and the
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door shut. I'm like, youknow, I'm looking around, like all
right, fuck. So I openedthe door. I swing it open all
dramatically. I had my gun drawn. There's a fucking bear, dude,
A mama bear and my dog takesoff after it. I'm like, I'm
like, you, dumb motherfucker.Like I'm thinking, I'm like, he's
gonna get swatted, dude, he'sgonna get fucked up. But luckily he
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came back in. He chased thatasshole like right out of there, like
it almost plowed through my fence andmy chicken coop and all that shit and
took off. But it was wild, man, because like, so you
know, that's a moment like youalways think about and were like, well,
fuck, it kind of be coolif this happened because I actually get
to like scare someone out of myhouse. But then again, it's like,
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holy fuck, what if they actuallydid happen. I kept bear,
but like a brown bear, Idon't know where you live. I don't
be Oh, no black bears,So you don't want to see no brown
bear. I don't know. Okay. So black bears are smaller, right,
yeah, and they're they're more docilecompared to a brown bear. Brown
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bears are closer to grizzly bears.They're like closer genetically, right. I
think so maybe I think, Idon't know, Maybe that's fucking bullshit.
But ask me about champs and monkey. I know, I know what we're
most closely related to where that's concerned. But bears, I don't have a
clay. Monkeys are scary. Yeah, I fucking hate them, man,
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I don't know why people like them. Things. Just hear the sh out
of me, just just hearing thescary stories and violent encounters with They hate
a woman's case off. I wasjust gonna say, they'll fucking bite your
face off. You know. Amonkey stole a baby out of an apart
window and dropped it and the babypass like it. Oh my god.
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Monkeys are intense there. I don'tlike them, and people are like,
why not, And I'm like,because they're fucked up. Man. People
have pet monkeys man like hell nomssling shit at people too. It's forty.
But humans, I know some humansthat do that as well. Yeah
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that's true. Yeah, yeahs areterrifying. Welcome back to Creepy Unsolved.
You know, me and Laura arehere with missy Sterling. She is a
YouTuber, she's a soon to bepublished author, and she has a scary
encounter story to share with us tonight. We had to get all the fun
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conversation out of the way and getdown to some creepier one. So Missy,
I'll let you officially introduce yourself andwe can dive into your scary encounter.
If that sounds good to you.That sounds great. First, thank
y'all for having I'm so excited tobe here. Let's see where do I
start. Okay, So, priorto this encounter, I my first memory
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from childhood. It was a paranormalexperience and I would see apparitions and that
happened a lot. And I thinkI was probably around fourteen when I wanted
to fit in, you know,or try to. I quit talking about
that because I learned real quick thatis not cool. So, you know,
I'd gone through life relatively normal,will work to marketing job, was
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kind of miserable, but telling myselfI wasn't and then just you know,
really a superficial kind of life.I didn't. I wasn't deep, Really
I didn't. All my friends andI talked about were gossipy, superficial things.
And then one night I'm on theway home from my mom's house right
on the Mississippi Alabama line where LamarCounty, Alabama meets Loundes County, Mississippi,
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and I'm round in this curve andI see something in the road ahead,
and at that point it was toofrom me to tell exactly what it
was, but I assumed a deerbecause we have a lot of those around
here. And as I'm getting closer, I'm noticing, like this deer is
sick or but by the time Igot on it, I was at a
complete stop and it was not adeer. I think the first thing I
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did was pee my pants. Ipissed myself because it was horrifying. There's
this creature in front of me.It's on all fours. It turns its
head and looks at me and opensits mouth and its mouth is gaping,
and it like gaping open like it'sscreaming, but no sound was coming out.
And I thought, Okay, wellwhat am I looking at? And
my brain is like running through things, you know, like it's kind of
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like it felt like I was glitchingout because I could not figure out what
I was looking at. And Idon't even know how long I sat there
staring at it, but it wasyep, that's it. That's exactly what
it looked like, but smaller andat the time, I don't know where
I got this from because I hadnothing to compare it to. But it
was small, and I thought itwas a child. Like I said,
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I at the time had nothing tocompare it to, but that was just
an impression that kept coming up.So it's got these huge black eyes,
really goat and emaciated, pale white. I called it the chalk white.
What the fuck? Because at thatpoint I knew what I know. I
knew what bigfoot was, because whodoesn't, But I didn't know the big
foot was encrypted. I didn't evenknow. You know, that was a
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word that wasn't even part of myum knowledge base, so um. At
some point, it got up onits two back legs and let out this
blood curdling scream, like a mixbetween a mountain lion and a woman being
attack. It was, oh,I can't I'm covered in ChIL bones now
just thinking about it. And itwas so loud, and it took off
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to the left of me. Andafter that, I like, I wish
I knew what happened after, butI don't. And people have tried to
say, oh, well, you'renot telling the truth if you don't remember
what happened. But like when Idecided I was going to talk about this,
I decided I was going to tellthe whole truth. I don't remember
the exact date of the encounter,and that might make it seem like,
oh, well, she's not tellingthe truth. But I don't remember exactly
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when it happened, and I thinkthat might have something to do with trauma.
And I can see where it wouldbe tempting for people to make up
a date, to think, oh, well, nobody's gonna believe me if
I don't have an exact date,I just know aroundabout time, because all
I can remember is seeing it andthen no memory after that. Like I
drove up the roadaways and just basedon how far I was from my house
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when I guess came to again,I had driven about ten miles up the
road and I pulled over and Iwas trying to use my phone. I
wanted my mama. Yeah, I'vetalked about this a little bit. I
couldn't remember how to use my phone. But it was weird because it wasn't
like I used to know how andcouldn't get it to work, or it
was like I had never known howto use the phone. It just looked
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foreign to me, and I don'tknow if that was trauma. I mean,
I tend to be more logical,so I would think so. But
I called the last person i'd spokento, which would have been the first
person in my callogue, and theydidn't answer, so I left a voicemail
and then I drove home that night, went home, changed my pants first,
and had about and sat there andjust stared stared at the wall for
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the rest of the night. Iactually think I was staring at a wall
for about three days, like becauseyou know, I had experienced a ghost.
But I was a kid, andso it's like, you don't worry
that you're being eurotic, you know, because you're a kid, and it's
just like, oh, there's anapparition walking through a wall, big deal.
But I was an adult and thisthing was flesh and blood and that's
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what I was sure it was.And that's what bothered me about it the
most, because it was like,you know, you go through life,
you grow up, you think youknow more and more about your world,
and here I was about to bethirty years old and I knew nothing,
apparently, because there's this crazy creatureand now I know this exists, and
what happened. So yeah, Itried to shove it down for a little
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while, and then I confided ina couple of friends who were like,
no, you will ruin your reputation. You cannot talk about this. So
I didn't listen. Obviously. Yeah, it was. It wrecked my world
be definitely everything I thought I knewabout the world. I realized, like,
you know, well, if thisthing's real, then what else do
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I not know anything about? Andit kind of opened up a Pandora's box
of me becoming obsessed with getting tothe bottom of what I saw. Definitely,
Now after this, you go onto research the rate in the trail
crem and with this research and you'rediving into this. Did this open up
your mind to go back to yourlocal community and ask questions there about other
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potential sightings now that you kind ofunfolded, Yeah, well, initially I
would not get online and look anythingup because I was scared I wasn't going
to find anything. And then ifI didn't find anything, then you know,
that confirmed I was crazy and Ididn't want to know I was crazy.
But when I did eventually look,I was taken to you know,
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read it our crawler sighting and Istarted reading stories, and you know,
I sit there and I cried myeyes out because I thought, you know,
I spent all that time worrying ifI was crazy, I might get
a little bit emotional. And there'sall these people and they have these stories
and they're so similar to mine.And it's something about experiencing this and then
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reading the words of somebody else describingit. And it's not really anything I
can put my finger on. It'sjust tiny little bits of information that you
wouldn't expect to really mean anything.They glick with you because you've experienced it
too. And one of the thingsI noticed that a lot of these encounters
had in common was they would saywhat I saw looked just like that trailcam
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picture, even though it's been debonked. So yes, I did eventually go
back to the area where I sawthe creature and I knocked on some doors
where in a T shirt that saidI'm not selling backing cleaners. I thought
that would be important, but um, nobody really wanted to talk to me
about it if they'd seen it.You know, they kind of just shewed
me all my way, looked atme like I had a dick growing out
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of my forehead. Cut that.I'm sorry, I said that. I'm
so sorry I do that editing.You're good, I'll cut it out.
I mean, you can keep it, but I like that just flew outside.
But that's how they were looking atme, like I was insane.
You know, I heard that allthe time when I was in basic training.
But did I just repeat a militaryfor about dix coming out of foreheads?
What I never heard of? Areyou staring at me? Look?
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I have a dick growing on myforehead all the time, dude, I
never heard that it might be aSouthern thing. Well, what part of
the military were you in? Marine? I was in the army, but
that was in that was in Missouri. But I think my the drool starting
news to say it was from likedown around Georgia and them parts. So
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okay, my brother's army, andI'm positive that's where I got it from.
Probably I believe it. Yeah,I did cut out for a little
bit, but I think you pickedup what I was getting at. So
you went back to your local communityand they stared at you like you had
coming out of your Yeah, theydid, they did. I felt had
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I mean it was embarrassing, youknow, like, but I kept on.
I knocked on a few doors,and then the area that I saw
it in it's between actually an animalsanctuary where they rescued tigers from like you
know, the circus or people whohave taken them on his pets and realized
they had their hands full. Theyrescue all kinds of exotic animals. It's
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not open to the public. Theydo keep all out of those kinds of
animals there. And I found thatinteresting because it was between that and a
cemetery, I mean, and thosetwo were less than like maybe a fourth
of a mile between one another.So I don't know the exact spot between
those two locations, but I knowit was somewhere between the two and not
too far off was an actual neighborhood, like a real nice neighborhood where m're
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you know, you're dealing with yourrich aunt and uncle, and I'm knocketting
these people's doors, asking if they'veseen a weird white alien? No,
No, what kind of what kindof things are they trying to come back
at you about when you say you'veseen something like this, are they trying
to describe it as something else?Like they throw like a bear with mange
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at you, trying to reason withyou that way. We don't have bears
around here. Okay, yeah,okay. I knocked on about five doors.
Three shut the door in my face, and one of them tried to
hear me out and said, sweetie, you know, I just I have
no idea what you're talking about.And then the others threatened to call the
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police, and I decided it wastime to go. I was gonna say
that the classic plus your hurt,yeah, you know that doesn't most of
the time, that's like a condescendingkind of oh yeah, crazy, yeah,
I feel for you. Yeah.But most of my research, you
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know, was online, but Ialso went to the library and I looked
through archives and things like that.When I saw all those people saying,
you know, even though that truckcamp photo has been debunked, that's exactly
what I saw. And I hadnot at that point seeing the truck cam
photo. So I thought, well, how is how can so many people
say that if this picture's fake?So where is it? And I found
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it? And when I thought,oh, man, no, when you're
talking about the trail camp photo,can you explain that for people who might
not know what it is, Like, I know, I know of the
photo. I know of the kindof the Beck story with the rake,
the creepy pasta. I think that'swhat you're referencing when you're talking about the
rake, right right, Well,I'm not necessarily referencing the Rake. See,
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this picture was not initially associated withthe rake at all. The rake
is a creepy pasta, and that'sa fictional story. It was kind of
it's like the Internet who decided thisis the rate and attached that name to
it. And it's unfortunate because anytimesomeone brings that up or describe saying something
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like that, people are real quickto just kind of dismiss it and put
it in this category of fiction that'snot real. You did you didn't see
that? So, yeah, that'sthe picture I'm talking about, though,
it's it's a trail camp photo.It says wild game innovations in the corner,
and it's this pale humanoid creature andits mouth is wide open and it's
on all fours. It's horrifying.And when I saw it, like,
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luckily I didn't pee my pants again, but I got sick. I did.
It affected me hardcore, like tohave and I think probably a year
had passed at that point. Andwhen I saw it, like I knew
immediately, like this thing is real. This is what I saw, This
is what all these other people saythey saw. So that's when I started.
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I said, Okay, well Ineed to find out who debunk this
or what it even means to debunksomething like who's qualified? How do you
do that? And that's what ledme down the rabbit hole. Now this,
this trailcam picture is identical to whatyou've seen, then well, the
one of the trailcam picture is alittle bit bigger, but yeah, that's
it. It's not the exact sameone. No, I don't think it's
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the exact same one. But theone I saw was smaller, and yes,
pretty much everything about it except thesize exactly exactly what I saw.
Now going on to yep, goahead, lor oh, No, I
was just gonna say, real quick, so are we saying this is not
a rake? Then well, youknow, it's hard to say in the
public consciousness it's it's a rate,but they also believe that the rake is
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fictional. So what I call itis a hell crawler. When the photo
was uploaded, it was uploaded toa hunting forum called Archery Talks, and
this is the source of the image. This is okay. One day this
image was not on the internet,and then it was, and the first
upload of it was a hunting forumcalled archery Talks, and that's the source,
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and the source of it had nothingto do with the right. I
believe the rank was actually even itpredates the conception of the right, the
fact I does. That's good toknow. Yeah, it's almost like not
saying that this is a creepy pasta, but you know it was slender Man
and how that crew. It's likethe Creepy Pasta formed off of this,
right, I was going to bringthe story off of that, No,
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just to get the rake thing outof the way and separate that from you
know what you're calling you call thisthe pale Crawler, right, right,
this is like this is a wholedifferent thing. Just to separate that,
because I think it's important for peopleto know that the rake itself is a
fictional story from Creepy Pasta and thePale Crawlers or something completely different. Right,
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But I mean, let me,let's jump back to slender Man and
like Hatman is it though completely differentbecause I mean, there is such thing
as a tulpa, So how dowe know that this isn't? Yes,
well, jumping into one of thosecategories, you know what I mean.
Oh, that's an excellent point.It is. And Hammerson Peters, he's
a YouTuber. He's the first personI went to with my story and said,
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Hey, has anybody ever messaged youand talked about seeing a weird belle
humanoid? And he said he thoughtthat people were imagining it or it was
a tulpa. He thought it wasjust like a purely modern phenomenon. But
he completely by accident, comes acrossthis document written by James Tight James Teat,
I don't know how to say aslast same And this guy was an
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anthropologist who lived with the Interior Salishin Canada. It's an indigenous Jobe and
they have a story about a creaturethat is like a human but naked and
very gaunt and skinny and like ghosts. And I'm paraphrasing, but it said
this is about what it said,like ghosts, it chases people, but
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it's more persistent. And that's whatwe know about crawler encounters. They do
chase people. And that to mesounds exactly like the discretion of a crawler.
So like I can see where peoplesay, Okay, yeah, this
is this is the rate. Youknow it is also the rake though,
but not the creepy pasta fictional thing. It's it's an actual creature that exists
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and people are experiencing it and theyhave been for two hundred years. Like
it's like, unless you believe thatthere is a cult of people who are
making up stories about a creature andthey have been able to maintain this life
for two hundred years without interruption,then that or actually, this thing is
real, it's happening. So Iwould say the rake is a nickname,
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but it's a fictional character. Andthese things are very much Now what did
you see the indigenous called them?They didn't have a name for all.
Okay, so you didn't. Okay, I'll send y'all the story. And
yeah, that's really interesting, isn'tit. Yes, when you when you
get into some of these older bookslike hang on, let me grab one
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real quick, there's this one fromthe night twenties and this woman called Katherine
Spencer went and lived with the Navajo, and it's an analysis of Navajo chantway
myths, and she talks about thisbelief they have. Are you too familiar
with Missing four one one? Oh? Yeah, okay, all right,
well tell me if tell me ifthis time familiar. They have a belief
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that and she caught it a myth. And I don't know if it was
because it was a language barrier orher own bias, but their belief was
that the supernaturals would transport you sofar up a mountain side that there was
no possible way you could get downin escape. Oh my god. Yes,
and what do we know about Missingfour one one when people found Yeah,
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so, I mean it's mind blowingthe things you can find. I
would highly recommend anybody who is intoresearch and go to your go to your
bookstores, the old bookstores that arelike you know, trade in or even
the library, get a library cardand go look through the archives. There's
a wealth of information in there.And doing that and I haven't quite come
across anything else like that into yourSalish legend. I will somehow get that
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to you. It's on my phoneactually, but yeah, it was a
treatise about the Thompson Northwest Indians.Yeah, I'll find it and get it
to you. But yeah, it'sreally interesting because I think we should give
a lot of credit to the storiesof the indigenous peoples. They've been here
forever. Yeah, I agree completelythe other good documentations of the land for
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hundreds upon hundreds of years. Yes, And I mean there are a lot
of a lot of stories about Bickfoot, you know. Yeah, just looking
at this, it kind of remindsme of the windigo a little bit,
just looking at the shape of it, the gautness, the almost skeletal appearance
of it. Did you find anycorrelations between this and the windego your research?
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I did. I think it's entirelypot Like when I see someone and
they're they're claiming, okay, butthis is a wind ago and this is
a crawler. And this is tosay that with such certainty is a little
bit presumptuous because we don't really know. We make up names, right.
I think that it's very possible thatwe're talking about the same thing that the
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wind ago. No, I thinka skinwalker is something a bit different,
just based on the descriptions, becauseit can basically take on the shape of
it's a shape shifter, right.But there have also been witness reports of
crawlers shape shifting. So I don'tknow if maybe these things are just like
a skinwalker in their base form beforethey shift. I don't know, but
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yeah I have the wind ago lord. That sounds a lot like a crawler.
It didn't originally have antlers. Itwas media modern Yeah, yeah,
who popular popularized? Did I saythat right? Yeah? I think so
very slowly, but yeah popular.I'm not even gonna try it again,
you know what I mean? Yeah, it was modern media who added the
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antler. So where did I justhave this conversation the other day about that?
Who are we talking about? Morgan? Yeah? Yeah, I talked
about it. I'm such a fan. Oh it's Canton and I know that's
how you pronounce it because I wentto school with um, these twins called
Allison and um Samantha Knates and sothat's how a lot. Oh, I'm
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such a fan of ours. She'sso nice, she's she's great. You
guys should talk with the antler thing. I talked about it even with Chad
Lewis a little bit. It's justadd ons, like you're saying, you
know, with media, with moviesto try to almost intensify the scare factor
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because like a almost a skull likehead with antlers, bigger, taller,
scar bigger, taller, massive.It really instills fear into you and it
causes confusion as if it's not scaryenough though really yeah, then it into
like not DearS. Have you readabout not DearS? They're I love not
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deer stories if you listen to expandedperspectives. Those guys have a handful of
those stories. They have a wholeepisode on it. So I actually get
to go on and talk to them. Shut up, I know, I'm
so excited. I got okay,okay, yeah, yeah, because I've
actually been, um, I've beenlike thinking about reaching out to them,
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to talk to them, to getthem on, but I'm like, I
don't know if they do podcasts ornot, but they seem they seem pretty
chill, So I love them.I love them. Yeah. Um,
I think they've got gone on withLawn Strickler. Hey write the main humanoids.
They're um, oh yeah, theyuse his website all the time.
I don't know if they're I feellike I heard one time that they said
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that they were like website partners withhim, but like I could totally be
miss speaking, but yeah, theykind of have where they read off of
his website all the time and dohis reports fan them and monsters. Okay,
yeah, yeah, but I sawone of their episodes where they had
mentioned UM going on and speaking withwine. Um. I don't remember why
we were talking about. Oh not, dear Dear. I had never heard
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of those until I saw a postonline stricklers Well. He had posted Facebook
from his website and I thought,is this that UM condition? What's it
called UM? Where that where theit's a neurological condition that the dear yet
Oh? I was thinking of thecondition where you're seeing something looks almost real
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but it's slightly off. Yeah,the Uncanny Valley. Yes, yeah,
yes, Um, I'm I'm talkingabout UM. Let me look it up.
It's called something weird disorder. Dearyet Sorry, I'm like, I
have to talk out my Google forit to for it to do right.
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Seriates me. Okay, here itis chronic wasting disease. It's us yea
and stuff in their head. Butthey also yes, but their behavior also
becomes very off. But I mentionedsomebody coming in on my YouTube about this,
and I'm like, is it possible? Because I always like to go
more logical first, you know,um, and I'm like, is it
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possible this is chronic wasting disease?And that guy said no. The not
deer phenomenon is much more intense,and I haven't really looked into it enough
to really be able to speak onit, but idead seem Another story from
one's website where these two guys arelooking for a cemetery and they're in the
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road and they stop and there's acrawler and that they see this pale humanoid
and they're in shock, and acar comes from behind and rounds the corner
and as soon as the headlights hitthey watch this thing transform into a deer.
Holy shit. That gave me chills. Bro, Yeah them too if
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if I was driving through the cemeteriesalso fucking crawling, like what the fuck?
But yeah, getting out of thereand like I think I'm falling out
of the grave, that'd be myfirst thought, right. Um. You
know, for the book I wasgonna, I wasn't gonna mention this,
and just I was gonna publish it. But what I've done is I've gotten
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a data scientist. And there issomething called a web crawler, and so
you can crawl all kinds of stories, and you can get data points and
you can draw correlations. Made oneonce, did you? That's that's cool?
But yeah, cemeteries come up alot um and crawler sliding stories,
so do dear um. Yeah,tapping on windows is one of them.
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Oh god, yeah, that justsent chills down my leg. Back.
You're welcome, No, yeah,I mean what there are so many nights
where like, I don't know whyI don't have curtains on these windows,
and I should, but I'll justlike be laying in bed listening to something
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creepy, falling asleep, and I'mlike, man, what would I do
right now if I looked out thewindow and some ship was like looking back
in with me and looking back inat me. Yeah, it's like I
got sliding glass doors on my bedroom. They go to my back porch.
But just seeing someone fucking peeking inthat ship in the middle of the night,
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Oh, are we laugh? No? I don't know. I was
just looking up in the corner andit said laugh and I was like,
oh, man, I hope mymom was not watching. I've been dropping
a bomb. No, it's it'sit's okay. Cool dude. We went
like half an hour before without hittingrecord. Oh yeah, remember that shit,
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Like, yeah, we're awesome though. I So. The scariest not
dear story I heard was one inLinda Godfrey's book called I Know What I
Saw, and it was it wasabout this guy driving out on some dirt
roads or some shit like that,out like through all these corn fields and
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old farmer fields and stuff, andhe watched a herd of deer like out
in the field start galloping towards himand get up on their hind legs and
start running at him, like hewas they're gonna assault his car. Like,
dude, I'm driving down to Virginiathis past weekend on vacation and we're
like a half an hour from myin law's house, and my wife's sitting
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passenger seat obviously, and I've beendriving for like nine and a half ten
hours at this point, and she'slike, watch for deer. I'm like,
all right, cool whatever, I'mdriving and the deer down Virginia or
fucking tiny by the way, butwe're driving and out of nowhere, she's
like watch out, and I'm like, what what the fuck? What?
She's like, there's deer. I'mlike where She's like, well, they're
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back there. Now, I'm like, don't ever do that too it.
Yeah, that's the whole time I'mthinking, I'm like, what do these
motherfuckers jump off and they start runningbehind me? Like like that story that
Linda Godfrey head in her book.I'm like, that'd be absolutely terrifying.
So, like, I can onlyimagine what you were thinking about when you
saw that crawler on the side ofthe road when you were driving. Yeah,
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well, it's it's strange because listento this. I was looking at
this thing and I knew what Iwas seeing in front of me. There
was no doubt about that. Butyou know how someone will tell you a
story and you get a picture inyour mind's eye about what they're talking about,
you know, or when you reada book, you can visualize it
in your mind's eye. I washaving this experience of like this image coming
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into my mind's eye trying to convincewell, I say, trying to convince
me, But in my mind's eyewas like I was seeing myself on the
road looking at a deer and Iknew that I wasn't and it was kind
of like I felt like I hadto fight against that, Like it felt
intrusive, and instructive, and Ilike, I don't even know how long
that went on, but it drainedme because I wouldn't accept it. I
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was like, no, this isnot a dear, this is a crazy
looking chalk way. What the fuck? This is not a deer? And
I found you know, So that'sone of the things I said to my
friend when I called, I actuallyhad the voicemail that I left that night.
She found it, like I think, years later, in a phone
that had been dropped between couch cushionsand she was moving and she's like,
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I've got the voicemail, and that'swhat I say. I was like,
it's it wasn't a deer, itwasn't a deer. It wasn't normal.
And I was like repeating myself,like, you know, traumatized. And
I just find that very interesting,Like how many people have seen this thing,
but they were manipulated and or theirmind was trying to protect them and
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they believe that, you know,because seeing a deer in the read really
isn't something to played a video toYouTube about. And I also wonder if
these are the people who get sounjustifiably angry when someone tells a story like
this. And just attack them viciously, like if it's something and they're subconscious
that they're reacting to and they thinkthey're reacting to this person, but it's
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like this. I don't know.I'm still working on that that theory,
but I think it's you know,likely, it could be possible. That's
very scary. Yes, it was. I did. When I initially started
talking about this, I left thatpart out because I couldn't. I didn't
even know how to put language toit. And then the more I saw
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people talking about their stories and theirencounters and they and the deer would be
involved somehow, I thought there's somethingto this. This is so, how
are other people putting deer into theirstory? Was it similar to yours?
Or what I want to hear this? Well? No, not necessarily,
not that I've heard so far.I have heard people say, and this
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is where I was like, wasit my mind trying to protect me?
Or was this same manipulating me.I've heard people say that it put this
one girl grew some horrible thoughts inher head of her cap being murdered,
and this one guy said, youknow, horrible, just like the most
graphic terrible thoughts you could imagine likeI didn't even know that my brain was
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capable of seeing things that were sohorrible, like it was putting those in
my mind. And those are theonly two. Oh well, there's one
more where this guy talks about andit's kind of related but not. He
was doing his dissertation or some sortof big paper for his college professor on
window gaze and he woke up.You may have heard this one. He
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woke up one night and he hadbeen feeling increasingly uncomfortable the further and further
he got into his research, andhe had a horrible dream one night and
he woke up and he just instinctivelywalks to his window and he looks out
and there's a or standing in hisyard and it looks dead at him,
straight into the eyes, looks deadat him. And he said, I'm
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I'm getting the chill bumps again.Guys, And he says, I quit.
I emailed my professor the next morningand I said, I can't.
I'm gonna have to change my topic. I can't do this. So they
knew and they were like coming tolike threaten him. Yeah. Yeah,
either that or it was like,I mean, I don't even know what
to think about deer anymore guys,Like are they all crazy? Or they
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all these things like something demonic tome? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
like almost like a possession or somethinglike that, like a pretty like yeah,
but like are these not deer?Are they all skinwalkers or or they
not dear their own set of paranormalthings. I mean that baits me.
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That's a great question, Like,yeah, you know, I'll probably I'll
probably stay up till two A.I'm looking into that good. I can't
help myself. Um No, Ineed to get some sleep tonight, but
yeah, I haven't. I needto look more into the not dear phenomenon
because I kind of and you know, this is awful of me, because
I talk about keeping an open mind. I kind of thought, oh,
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it's wasting disease and these people areoverreacting, which is completely unfair of me,
Like shame on me for that.So I need to I really need
to look into it. I don'tknow, though, are they all demonic?
I mean they come up in mybackyard. I have a persymmetry back
there, so now I'm real freakedout. Nah, I don't think they
They're too pretty, some of themto be to be well, you know
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you think that because of Bambie.I mean, like, you know,
no, you were. We weretotally insensitized by media, right, So
they killed his mom. Yeah,I killed his mom too. I ate
them the other day too. Didit taste like a skin walker? Didn't
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have that wild game taste to it? Just a little wild yeah? Yeah,
yeah, goodness, I've shot adeer before to you, but oh
no, I could. I mean, I'll eat them, but I would
cry. I can't do it.You're awesome. My dad makes fun of
me. He's like, you're you'relike he calls me like miss mother Nature.
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He's like, you just want tolove everything to death. I should
be fucking vegan for the way Iam with animals. It's terrible. I'm
such a hypocrite. We were wewere out in the woods hunting the one
time, and like there's a there'sa fence around, like the they have
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like new tree growth out in thestate parks and ship so they have these
cages kind of things. It's likeelectric fans. But we were out there
and it's sloped, it's really steepsloped hill and there's a path that all
the way around the area. Wewere walking the path at one time when
we found deer hoofs like the fourthe four legs of it snapped clean off
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and like we're sitting out there talkingabout wind. They goes the whole time
and scaring the shit out of herfriend. And then we walked across the
ashet. I was like, whatthe fuck is this? I'm like,
what would it snapped? It's likeit's clean off. There's no deer around,
Dylan. That is actually another correlationwith a dude, don't even tell
Yeah, I can't. I can'tnot say it um either. The deer's
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head ripped clean off, like andnot cut. It was so clean.
It was clean, yeah you okay? Like it was it was cut clean
like a knife had cut through themor they snapped in half. Was there
jacket edges or it was no,it was it was clean like a clean
I guess it'd be like a knifecut in half. But like there was
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no saw marks, there's no blood. It was like the forearms, you
know, so like snap clean likefaf here. But they were still standing
or were they lay they were layingdown. It is just the front front,
four legs. Okay, but whatwere you going to say? What
does that have to do with thecrawlers. Well, okay, there's this
video. I'm not sure if you'llsaying it. It says evil creatured.
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C Are you sure it's not froma movie? I'm positive, I'm positive.
Okay, this guy called Rick grabinikUm and a lot of people say
that the video has been de bondbecause a lot of people have come up
pretending to be Red grabinik but theyare not Rick grabbinik Um. He had
something coming into his backyard and umWes from Sasquatch Chronicles actually got Rick and
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his creature to come on because okay, the video starts and this guys.
You hear the phone ring in andhe's calling us, let me grab a
lake. Oh stop? It isthis? Okay, this is fucked up,
because I'm pretty sure I know this. And then I was listening to
Oh my god, I listened toso many podcasts during the day, I
forget. But I was listening tosomething I think it was Monsters among Us
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and he played the clip of thisguy. There's a YouTube video that goes
along with it. Is it thatone that he put his camera up against
the window and he's like creature?Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Oh that
was my dog in the background.That wasn't like me anyway to crap out
of me. I thought, itdoesn't. He just likes to make himself
(42:22):
comfortable and he like makes noises.But anyways, yeah, then how fucked
up is that that? I justlike, listen to that. Yeah,
that's the one. And so youknow when something like this comes up,
like hill Billy Willie is the forumuser who posted the original trail camp photo
of what they call the right umRit Grabnik posted this video to his YouTube
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channel, UM, but people wereso hard on him. Wes had a
hard time getting him to come on. So he did go onto Sasquatch Chronicles
And I have that episode saved becauseI joined the site so I could get
it. I just in the chatsent the Rick Grabinik video UM, and
I've got it on Google drops.So um, I'll link y'all to that
episode so you can hear him talkabout it because he's on with his preacher
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and he's on with his neighbor,and his neighbor was having some weird activity
and found a deer head that hadbeen ripped off and it was just sitting
in his yard. Um. Yeah, and then a story sees this naked
humanoid I said, naked, I'mso southern, and um the distance of
his yard. And then the nextday he's walking and he sees a deer
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head just like somebody had just placedit there, right in the center of
the trail. So that's another youknow, that's only three that I'm aware
of, um, and I'm notthree with all of the data science part
of it. That's actually what I'mwaiting on to um turn in my manuscript.
That and a Freedom of Information Actrequests that I UM filed with the
National Park Service. But give mea straight answer about where I need to
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send it to. So okay,yeah, yeah, finding parts of deer
is ah and I wonder if that'swhat they do to it to get in
it, like to take it off, like like to wear it's hide,
like they know where. Okay,I didn't see that movie. That's scary,
but but you know, yeah Ican, I can already. Yeah
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that sucked up to try. Ican't even talk now. But UM,
what I was going to say was, that's like how they would do like
with the wolf pelts and stuff.Remember for like back in like the God
what are those stories from like thefifteen hundreds or something, the werewolf stories
that they put the pelts on andthen they turn into a werewolf. What
if it's just like that that theyfucking take the deer hide and turn into
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Oh my god, that's so fuckingcreepy. And what if the werewolves they're
like what people are saying and callingdogman. See I didn't mean to start
I accidentally started playing that thing.I think dogmen and werewolves are two separate
things. A lot of people likeargue over that, but yeah, um
yeah, okay. I gets soirritated with people arguing. It's like,
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you know, let's just if wecould get along, we might be able
to figure some stuff out. ButI don't know enough about I actually know
enough about dogmen to know that thereare four different stories that have been told,
and in each story, the witnesshas some sort of information about dogmen
hunting um crawlers or rakes um andand and killing them like that's it's included
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in the book that that I'm writing. But um yeah, the first video
I ever uploaded, I talk aboutthis experience in Colorado where, um,
my friend and I we were skiingand we come up on this like roundish
jelly looking structure and it appears tobe At the time, I had no
(45:53):
idea what it was, but itlooked like um water but jelly kind of
like plasma. Well, she shegets to stick her finger through it,
and I'm like terrified, Like Idon't know why, but I thought it
was going to burn her finger.Well, she sticks her finger through it,
and we can no longer say thepart of her finger that she is
(46:14):
stuck through it, like up toher knuckle is gone. But like,
was it like was it like um, kind of like frosted looking, because
that's what I'm picturing my head,or was it like clear? Um,
it was like as if you werelooking through like okay, if like some
water came up in front of youor some like jelly like plasma. It
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was blurry behind it, kind oflike the predator type thing, you know,
like you could stay through it.But there was something there well,
and there was this. Yeah,it was crazy. Well I don't know
though, if it's that or ifit's a hot if it's like like this
very hot tech captured device. I'mnot sure it could be either, but
um, yeah, like a hottech captured device like some kind of technology
(47:00):
that comes in and scoops people up, and that's how you know that's a
working hYP officist. But I said, okay, so Dave Hey. After
that, I had this clip ofhim doing, we hold on a second,
let's go back to your finger yourfriends stucker finger in it then did
like you just did. You guysleft it. Um, yeah, wed
around, We noped the fuck outof there. Yeah. Um wait,
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how big was it? Uh?Let's see, Um, I'm trying to
think of something okay, um,like a spare tire, but not that
shit, not like the the edgesof it were not near as like you
know, rounded, They were veryirregular, but about the shape about the
size of a spare tire. Andit was at about um, I was
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sixteen, so yeah, I'm stillthe same height. I wasn't in um
it was it was from like,okay, I'm I'm five one, so
I'm basically a fairy. But itwas about from my belly button to my
um the top of my head.And see the crazy thing is we were
going down this trail and they werejust because we weren't very experienced skiers,
and it was like this. Ithad some heels and it would kind of
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propel you, you know, sowe thought we were the ship because we
could go fast and there were thesepeople just stopped in the middle of it,
so we had to like each huga tree. She went one way,
I went the other. And afterthat, like, I don't remember
seeing those people again. I don'tremember them walking off. They didn't pass
us when we turned the opposite directionto run, they weren't anywhere in sight.
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Oh thank you. And so yeah, it was insane. But after
that she thought, um like shethought that I had caused it, like
I called it in somehow. Likeit's because from when I was a kid,
I would, you know, Iwas a little bit weird and I
would say things sometimes and then theywould happen. But it's not like I
knew, you know, I didn'tknow if they were gonna happen. It
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was I don't know if I waspicking up on some sort of I was
just a weird ass little kid.And so she thought from that that I
had caught it in and caused itto happen, which I asolutely did not.
I was just as terrified. Butum so Dave tells a story about
getting this letter from a hunter andthe hunter tells basically the same story.
He's walking and then he gets onthis trail and he hears this um vibration
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sound and then he looks and therehe descrapped, like exactly what we saw.
And so yeah, it's like thefirst video I ever uploaded. It's
a and that's a clip from Coachto Coast. Stay yea, all right,
(49:36):
before we go tonight, I wantto give you time to talk about
your book and what the reader canexpect to learn from this. So if
you want to take some time andtell us kind of like a brief overview
of it, and then we'll talkabout where we can find all of your
awesome content. Okay, Oh that'svery sweet. All right. Yeah.
So, um, it just basicallyI go into depth about the encounter,
(50:00):
um, and you know, alittle bit about what my life was like
prior to and then how it completelywrecked my worldview. UM. Then I
go brilliant depth into the investigation ofthat trail camp photo. There's some really
surprising information there. Um. Itwas not debunked by bya long shot.
It was poor investigative work. UM. From what I've learned and I continue
(50:23):
to learn, that photo is authentic. UM, So I talk about that,
and then M I go into likesome um things about the Army Corps
of Engineers and how they may beinvolved. Um, that gets real interesting
as well. And then I I'veincluded some encounter stories from other people,
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and these are stories you have notheard before, because I'm not using any
stories off I've read it. UM, these are and a lot of the
people have never told their story before. UM. And then UM, I
just kind of talk about higher purposebehind encounters like these, because you know,
before this happened to me, Iwas very superficial, you know,
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probably a bit selfish and sorry,I'm lease my voice. UM. It's
just made me so much more curiousand compassionate and open, you know,
open minded. And I think ifif there is a higher purpose to encounters
like that, it's gonna be howit just changes you. And at first
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it's hard, you know, becauseyou lease friends, people call you crazy,
but I always say, yep,I'm crazy, and yes you can
have some because UM, I wouldn'tI wouldn't take any of it back.
The people that I've met in thiscommunity, or some of the nicest,
most authentic, genuine people I've evermet, in my life and UM,
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so yeah, UM the book,I'm not exactly sure. My date got
pushed back a little bit for acouple of reasons, but UM, I
think definitely by the end of May, early Jean, probably before that.
UM, it will be out andthen I have there's a lot of information
already on my YouTube channel and soUM my website, UM, I think
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I just sent you the link tothat. Let's see if it works.
It does, okay, Yeah,And so my website is missy Lee Sterling
dot com. UM M I SS Y l E I G H S
T E R l I n G. It's kind of long, but um
dot com. And then you know, you can share an encounter story with
me if you'd like to. UM, I need more um because i'd gotten
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some initially and I didn't go aboutit quite the right way as far as
the consent and release stuff. Souh, I had I'm having to start
over. But that's okay because Ithink you know, if I hadn't had
to start over, then I wouldn'thave had the idea about, um,
the data science thing, because ifwe don't the thing about cryptozoology, you're
not gonna ever prove anything definitively withouta body, and that's kind of hard
(53:00):
to do. But what we cando is we can take stories from the
Internet and all these anecdotal counts andway hand you know, set parameters and
draw correlations. And that's valid becauseanecdotes lead to hypothesis. So I'm you
know, I don't think that's beendone before. So I'm pretty excited about
that part of it being in thebook. And um, yeah, I
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think that's did I answer everything Ithink I did? I believe so I
caught out for a little bit.My internet so shitty tonight. Yeah,
and we'll oh just throw yeah,we'll gay. Oh my god, I'm
stuttering and I interrupted you. I'msorry. Go ahead, you're good.
You're the one. I like.We started a word like three times in
(53:46):
the middle of the word. Itwas great. But yeah, websites are
awesome. I'm glad you have one. We have one copynsolved dot com.
But web there's such al nowadays becauseyou can put all your stuff in one
(54:07):
spot. Yeah. You know Iheard that the same girls who invented post
it invented websites. I would believethat too. Yeah, yeah, but
yeah, well be sure to dropall of your links into their show notes
so they'll be easy for everyone tofind. Now your book will be available
for purchase right through your website wellAmazon, through Amazon Kindle and paperback yep.
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And then I'm um if people willsubscribe to my email um list,
like I'm gonna give out a goodmany free ones, just like you know,
draw names un amazing, Yeah,because I need people to be on
email list so I can tell themmy book's out. Man. You know,
if you win it, great,but if not, go buy it
um. And also like if somebodygives me an encounter story, they get
(54:57):
a free book too. Now,don't make some stuff up up just because
you want to bring Yeah, youbetter be careful with that. Look.
I can I can tell. Ican tell. I just can because I've
read so many and I've experienced it, um. And I have found that
people, when they talk about it, it's not easy for them. A
lot of them. Um. Iwill transcribe it for them because they don't
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it's hard for them to write itor for I hear I'm talking and I
can hear it in their voice.And like I've I cried with a guy
the other night, you know,because it was just so. He was
like, you know, I'd neverfound anything and I've been searching forever and
I saw your video and it andthen he kind of lost it and I
did too. We like sat thereand sobbed together, and I'm like,
(55:43):
well, we're in a club now. We may not necessarily know him.
We wanted to be in this club, but here we are. Buddy.
Um, but yeah, like Ido need encounter stories, but if you
have posted it to read it,I can't use it. So um and
I need I'm going to put alink to your website on mine, Dylan,
I need to do. That wouldbe great. Yeah, we would
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appreciate that. I will absolutely.I have had so much fun I could
talk to y'all all night. Wellit's it's been a pleasure talking to you
tonight, Missy. We appreciate youcoming on. Thank you very much.
Thank you for having me. Umall right, bye, guys. Hey,
guys, that is it for thisone. Thank you so much for
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Unsolved. What is up everyone,Dylan speaking and thank you for joining us
on this episode of Creepy Unsolved.In today's episode, myself and Laura are
joined by future author Missy Sterling.Missy shares our encounter with the Chalk White,
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what the Fuck and much more.It was an absolute blast talking to
Missy, and I know you're goingto enjoy listening. Be sure to hang
around to the end to find outmore about Missy's book and where you can
buy it. But before we begin, and while I have your attention,
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with all of that out of theway, let's begin. Yeah. I
have a dog. His name isMichael. He might get a little vocal,
but he's usually pretty good about mindand his manners. I had to
talk with him before I came on, so he said, you know,
I'll try to be cool, andI was like, well, then we're
good. My dog's pretty pretty quietabout right now. He's probably sleeping,
but if you catch them bed day'sbarking at the wall and shit like that.
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So it really makes it difficult,you know, likest in your house,
I must it must be something likethat, or just traffic. I'm
gonna say it's just traffic outside allthat road noise. Yeah, it was
definitely, I guess. Oh ohdude, freaking we came home, was
it yesterday or the day before?And like we're driving down the road towards
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her house and we can see theside door and it's fucking wide open,
and it scared the shit out ofme and my wife because they're like,
fuck the cats because they want togo outside, dude, and we're like,
oh my god. And so welike, I'm We're getting out of
the car and my wife, Aaron'srunning for the house. I'm like,
wait, that tossed with the keyslike all dramatically, and she had fumbling
like opening the door, and thenshe runs in the house. I'm getting
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aria getting her in the house too, and then she comes back. They're
like, they're in the house,but they're wet. The massles went outside.
They went outside. You know,it was snowing too, so they
went outside in the snow and they'relike fuck this ship, and they turned
around and came back again. Myfirst thought been, if the door's happen,
someone is in my home. There'san intruder. But like you guys
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are like hardcore, we're going infor the cats. Send his wife in
first and bring the kid along innext. I'm like, oh, okay,
because I'm sitting here thinking what ifsomebody was in the house. Well,
this door is always like blown open. You have to dead bolted or
it blows open. I don't knowif there's negative pressure in the house,
and it's like sucking it open whenthere's force on the outside. But another
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story about an intruder in my house. It was pretty close. Like I
woke up in the middle of thenight and I have this big, gass
door in my basement downstairs. It'sprobably like a double sized door. It
makes this distinct sound when it opens. You can hear it scraping across the
concrete in the basement. So Iknow that sound. So I wake up
and I hear something downstairs and likethis dead bolts from the inside. I'm
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like, I know, I didn'tforget to lock that, but it sounds
like someone's pushing it open. Skyjump out of bed, and I'm like
loading my revolver. I had myspeed roder trying to fucking load that.
My dogs bark in and we're like, oh, let's fucking get them,
so I can open the basement stairsand running down my loaded gun, you
know, probably in my underwear.But my dog's running down there and the
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door shut. I'm like, youknow, I'm looking around, like all
right, fuck. So I openedthe door. I swing it open all
dramatically. I had my gun drawn. There's a fucking bear, dude,
A mama bear and my dog takesoff after it. I'm like, I'm
like, you, dumb motherfucker.Like I'm thinking, I'm like, he's
gonna get swatted, dude, he'sgonna get fucked up. But luckily he
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came back in. He chased thatasshole like right out of there, like
it almost plowed through my fence andmy chicken coop and all that shit and
took off. But it was wild, man, because like, so you
know, that's a moment like youalways think about and were like, well,
fuck, it kind of be coolif this happened because I actually get
to like scare someone out of myhouse. But then again, it's like,
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holy fuck, what if they actuallydid happen. I kept bear,
but like a brown bear, Idon't know where you live. I don't
be Oh, no black bears,So you don't want to see no brown
bear. I don't know. Okay. So black bears are smaller, right,
yeah, and they're they're more docilecompared to a brown bear. Brown
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bears are closer to grizzly bears.They're like closer genetically, right. I
think so maybe I think, Idon't know, Maybe that's fucking bullshit.
But ask me about champs and monkey. I know, I know what we're
most closely related to where that's concerned. But bears, I don't have a
clay. Monkeys are scary. Yeah, I fucking hate them, man,
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I don't know why people like them. Things. Just hear the sh out
of me, just just hearing thescary stories and violent encounters with They hate
a woman's case off. I wasjust gonna say, they'll fucking bite your
face off. You know. Amonkey stole a baby out of an apart
window and dropped it and the babypass like it. Oh my god.
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Monkeys are intense there. I don'tlike them, and people are like,
why not, And I'm like,because they're fucked up. Man. People
have pet monkeys man like hell nomssling shit at people too. It's forty.
But humans, I know some humansthat do that as well. Yeah
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that's true. Yeah, yeahs areterrifying. Welcome back to Creepy Unsolved.
You know, me and Laura arehere with missy Sterling. She is a
YouTuber, she's a soon to bepublished author, and she has a scary
encounter story to share with us tonight. We had to get all the fun
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conversation out of the way and getdown to some creepier one. So Missy,
I'll let you officially introduce yourself andwe can dive into your scary encounter.
If that sounds good to you.That sounds great. First, thank
y'all for having I'm so excited tobe here. Let's see where do I
start. Okay, So, priorto this encounter, I my first memory
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from childhood. It was a paranormalexperience and I would see apparitions and that
happened a lot. And I thinkI was probably around fourteen when I wanted
to fit in, you know,or try to. I quit talking about
that because I learned real quick thatis not cool. So, you know,
I'd gone through life relatively normal,will work to marketing job, was
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kind of miserable, but telling myselfI wasn't and then just you know,
really a superficial kind of life.I didn't. I wasn't deep, Really
I didn't. All my friends andI talked about were gossipy, superficial things.
And then one night I'm on theway home from my mom's house right
on the Mississippi Alabama line where LamarCounty, Alabama meets Loundes County, Mississippi,
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and I'm round in this curve andI see something in the road ahead,
and at that point it was toofrom me to tell exactly what it
was, but I assumed a deerbecause we have a lot of those around
here. And as I'm getting closer, I'm noticing, like this deer is
sick or but by the time Igot on it, I was at a
complete stop and it was not adeer. I think the first thing I
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did was pee my pants. Ipissed myself because it was horrifying. There's
this creature in front of me.It's on all fours. It turns its
head and looks at me and opensits mouth and its mouth is gaping,
and it like gaping open like it'sscreaming, but no sound was coming out.
And I thought, Okay, wellwhat am I looking at? And
my brain is like running through things, you know, like it's kind of
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like it felt like I was glitchingout because I could not figure out what
I was looking at. And Idon't even know how long I sat there
staring at it, but it wasyep, that's it. That's exactly what
it looked like, but smaller andat the time, I don't know where
I got this from because I hadnothing to compare it to. But it
was small, and I thought itwas a child. Like I said,
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I at the time had nothing tocompare it to, but that was just
an impression that kept coming up.So it's got these huge black eyes,
really goat and emaciated, pale white. I called it the chalk white.
What the fuck? Because at thatpoint I knew what I know. I
knew what bigfoot was, because whodoesn't, But I didn't know the big
foot was encrypted. I didn't evenknow. You know, that was a
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word that wasn't even part of myum knowledge base, so um. At
some point, it got up onits two back legs and let out this
blood curdling scream, like a mixbetween a mountain lion and a woman being
attack. It was, oh,I can't I'm covered in ChIL bones now
just thinking about it. And itwas so loud, and it took off
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to the left of me. Andafter that, I like, I wish
I knew what happened after, butI don't. And people have tried to
say, oh, well, you'renot telling the truth if you don't remember
what happened. But like when Idecided I was going to talk about this,
I decided I was going to tellthe whole truth. I don't remember
the exact date of the encounter,and that might make it seem like,
oh, well, she's not tellingthe truth. But I don't remember exactly
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when it happened, and I thinkthat might have something to do with trauma.
And I can see where it wouldbe tempting for people to make up
a date, to think, oh, well, nobody's gonna believe me if
I don't have an exact date,I just know aroundabout time, because all
I can remember is seeing it andthen no memory after that. Like I
drove up the roadaways and just basedon how far I was from my house
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when I guess came to again,I had driven about ten miles up the
road and I pulled over and Iwas trying to use my phone. I
wanted my mama. Yeah, I'vetalked about this a little bit. I
couldn't remember how to use my phone. But it was weird because it wasn't
like I used to know how andcouldn't get it to work, or it
was like I had never known howto use the phone. It just looked
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foreign to me, and I don'tknow if that was trauma. I mean,
I tend to be more logical,so I would think so. But
I called the last person i'd spokento, which would have been the first
person in my callogue, and theydidn't answer, so I left a voicemail
and then I drove home that night, went home, changed my pants first,
and had about and sat there andjust stared stared at the wall for
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the rest of the night. Iactually think I was staring at a wall
for about three days, like becauseyou know, I had experienced a ghost.
But I was a kid, andso it's like, you don't worry
that you're being eurotic, you know, because you're a kid, and it's
just like, oh, there's anapparition walking through a wall, big deal.
But I was an adult and thisthing was flesh and blood and that's
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what I was sure it was.And that's what bothered me about it the
most, because it was like,you know, you go through life,
you grow up, you think youknow more and more about your world,
and here I was about to bethirty years old and I knew nothing,
apparently, because there's this crazy creatureand now I know this exists, and
what happened. So yeah, Itried to shove it down for a little
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while, and then I confided ina couple of friends who were like,
no, you will ruin your reputation. You cannot talk about this. So
I didn't listen. Obviously. Yeah, it was. It wrecked my world
be definitely everything I thought I knewabout the world. I realized, like,
you know, well, if thisthing's real, then what else do
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I not know anything about? Andit kind of opened up a Pandora's box
of me becoming obsessed with getting tothe bottom of what I saw. Definitely,
Now after this, you go onto research the rate in the trail
crem and with this research and you'rediving into this. Did this open up
your mind to go back to yourlocal community and ask questions there about other
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potential sightings now that you kind ofunfolded, Yeah, well, initially I
would not get online and look anythingup because I was scared I wasn't going
to find anything. And then ifI didn't find anything, then you know,
that confirmed I was crazy and Ididn't want to know I was crazy.
But when I did eventually look,I was taken to you know,
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read it our crawler sighting and Istarted reading stories, and you know,
I sit there and I cried myeyes out because I thought, you know,
I spent all that time worrying ifI was crazy, I might get
a little bit emotional. And there'sall these people and they have these stories
and they're so similar to mine.And it's something about experiencing this and then
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reading the words of somebody else describingit. And it's not really anything I
can put my finger on. It'sjust tiny little bits of information that you
wouldn't expect to really mean anything.They glick with you because you've experienced it
too. And one of the thingsI noticed that a lot of these encounters
had in common was they would saywhat I saw looked just like that trailcam
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picture, even though it's been debonked. So yes, I did eventually go
back to the area where I sawthe creature and I knocked on some doors
where in a T shirt that saidI'm not selling backing cleaners. I thought
that would be important, but um, nobody really wanted to talk to me
about it if they'd seen it.You know, they kind of just shewed
me all my way, looked atme like I had a dick growing out
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of my forehead. Cut that.I'm sorry, I said that. I'm
so sorry I do that editing.You're good, I'll cut it out.
I mean, you can keep it, but I like that just flew outside.
But that's how they were looking atme, like I was insane.
You know, I heard that allthe time when I was in basic training.
But did I just repeat a militaryfor about dix coming out of foreheads?
What I never heard of? Areyou staring at me? Look?
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I have a dick growing on myforehead all the time, dude, I
never heard that it might be aSouthern thing. Well, what part of
the military were you in? Marine? I was in the army, but
that was in that was in Missouri. But I think my the drool starting
news to say it was from likedown around Georgia and them parts. So
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okay, my brother's army, andI'm positive that's where I got it from.
Probably I believe it. Yeah,I did cut out for a little
bit, but I think you pickedup what I was getting at. So
you went back to your local communityand they stared at you like you had
coming out of your Yeah, theydid, they did. I felt had
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I mean it was embarrassing, youknow, like, but I kept on.
I knocked on a few doors,and then the area that I saw
it in it's between actually an animalsanctuary where they rescued tigers from like you
know, the circus or people whohave taken them on his pets and realized
they had their hands full. Theyrescue all kinds of exotic animals. It's
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not open to the public. Theydo keep all out of those kinds of
animals there. And I found thatinteresting because it was between that and a
cemetery, I mean, and thosetwo were less than like maybe a fourth
of a mile between one another.So I don't know the exact spot between
those two locations, but I knowit was somewhere between the two and not
too far off was an actual neighborhood, like a real nice neighborhood where m're
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you know, you're dealing with yourrich aunt and uncle, and I'm knocketting
these people's doors, asking if they'veseen a weird white alien? No,
No, what kind of what kindof things are they trying to come back
at you about when you say you'veseen something like this, are they trying
to describe it as something else?Like they throw like a bear with mange
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at you, trying to reason withyou that way. We don't have bears
around here. Okay, yeah,okay. I knocked on about five doors.
Three shut the door in my face, and one of them tried to
hear me out and said, sweetie, you know, I just I have
no idea what you're talking about.And then the others threatened to call the
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police, and I decided it wastime to go. I was gonna say
that the classic plus your hurt,yeah, you know that doesn't most of
the time, that's like a condescendingkind of oh yeah, crazy, yeah,
I feel for you. Yeah.But most of my research, you
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know, was online, but Ialso went to the library and I looked
through archives and things like that.When I saw all those people saying,
you know, even though that truckcamp photo has been debunked, that's exactly
what I saw. And I hadnot at that point seeing the truck cam
photo. So I thought, well, how is how can so many people
say that if this picture's fake?So where is it? And I found
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it? And when I thought,oh, man, no, when you're
talking about the trail camp photo,can you explain that for people who might
not know what it is, Like, I know, I know of the
photo. I know of the kindof the Beck story with the rake,
the creepy pasta. I think that'swhat you're referencing when you're talking about the
rake, right right, Well,I'm not necessarily referencing the Rake. See,
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this picture was not initially associated withthe rake at all. The rake
is a creepy pasta, and that'sa fictional story. It was kind of
it's like the Internet who decided thisis the rate and attached that name to
it. And it's unfortunate because anytimesomeone brings that up or describe saying something
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like that, people are real quickto just kind of dismiss it and put
it in this category of fiction that'snot real. You did you didn't see
that? So, yeah, that'sthe picture I'm talking about, though,
it's it's a trail camp photo.It says wild game innovations in the corner,
and it's this pale humanoid creature andits mouth is wide open and it's
on all fours. It's horrifying.And when I saw it, like,
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luckily I didn't pee my pants again, but I got sick. I did.
It affected me hardcore, like tohave and I think probably a year
had passed at that point. Andwhen I saw it, like I knew
immediately, like this thing is real. This is what I saw, This
is what all these other people saythey saw. So that's when I started.
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I said, Okay, well Ineed to find out who debunk this
or what it even means to debunksomething like who's qualified? How do you
do that? And that's what ledme down the rabbit hole. Now this,
this trailcam picture is identical to whatyou've seen, then well, the
one of the trailcam picture is alittle bit bigger, but yeah, that's
it. It's not the exact sameone. No, I don't think it's
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the exact same one. But theone I saw was smaller, and yes,
pretty much everything about it except thesize exactly exactly what I saw.
Now going on to yep, goahead, lor oh, No, I
was just gonna say, real quick, so are we saying this is not
a rake? Then well, youknow, it's hard to say in the
public consciousness it's it's a rate,but they also believe that the rake is
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fictional. So what I call itis a hell crawler. When the photo
was uploaded, it was uploaded toa hunting forum called Archery Talks, and
this is the source of the image. This is okay. One day this
image was not on the internet,and then it was, and the first
upload of it was a hunting forumcalled archery Talks, and that's the source,
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and the source of it had nothingto do with the right. I
believe the rank was actually even itpredates the conception of the right, the
fact I does. That's good toknow. Yeah, it's almost like not
saying that this is a creepy pasta, but you know it was slender Man
and how that crew. It's likethe Creepy Pasta formed off of this,
right, I was going to bringthe story off of that, No,
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just to get the rake thing outof the way and separate that from you
know what you're calling you call thisthe pale Crawler, right, right,
this is like this is a wholedifferent thing. Just to separate that,
because I think it's important for peopleto know that the rake itself is a
fictional story from Creepy Pasta and thePale Crawlers or something completely different. Right,
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But I mean, let me,let's jump back to slender Man and
like Hatman is it though completely differentbecause I mean, there is such thing
as a tulpa, So how dowe know that this isn't? Yes,
well, jumping into one of thosecategories, you know what I mean.
Oh, that's an excellent point.It is. And Hammerson Peters, he's
a YouTuber. He's the first personI went to with my story and said,
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Hey, has anybody ever messaged youand talked about seeing a weird belle
humanoid? And he said he thoughtthat people were imagining it or it was
a tulpa. He thought it wasjust like a purely modern phenomenon. But
he completely by accident, comes acrossthis document written by James Tight James Teat,
I don't know how to say aslast same And this guy was an
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anthropologist who lived with the Interior Salishin Canada. It's an indigenous Jobe and
they have a story about a creaturethat is like a human but naked and
very gaunt and skinny and like ghosts. And I'm paraphrasing, but it said
this is about what it said,like ghosts, it chases people, but
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it's more persistent. And that's whatwe know about crawler encounters. They do
chase people. And that to mesounds exactly like the discretion of a crawler.
So like I can see where peoplesay, Okay, yeah, this
is this is the rate. Youknow it is also the rake though,
but not the creepy pasta fictional thing. It's it's an actual creature that exists
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and people are experiencing it and theyhave been for two hundred years. Like
it's like, unless you believe thatthere is a cult of people who are
making up stories about a creature andthey have been able to maintain this life
for two hundred years without interruption,then that or actually, this thing is
real, it's happening. So Iwould say the rake is a nickname,
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but it's a fictional character. Andthese things are very much Now what did
you see the indigenous called them?They didn't have a name for all.
Okay, so you didn't. Okay, I'll send y'all the story. And
yeah, that's really interesting, isn'tit. Yes, when you when you
get into some of these older bookslike hang on, let me grab one
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real quick, there's this one fromthe night twenties and this woman called Katherine
Spencer went and lived with the Navajo, and it's an analysis of Navajo chantway
myths, and she talks about thisbelief they have. Are you too familiar
with Missing four one one? Oh? Yeah, okay, all right,
well tell me if tell me ifthis time familiar. They have a belief
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that and she caught it a myth. And I don't know if it was
because it was a language barrier orher own bias, but their belief was
that the supernaturals would transport you sofar up a mountain side that there was
no possible way you could get downin escape. Oh my god. Yes,
and what do we know about Missingfour one one when people found Yeah,
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so, I mean it's mind blowingthe things you can find. I
would highly recommend anybody who is intoresearch and go to your go to your
bookstores, the old bookstores that arelike you know, trade in or even
the library, get a library cardand go look through the archives. There's
a wealth of information in there.And doing that and I haven't quite come
across anything else like that into yourSalish legend. I will somehow get that
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to you. It's on my phoneactually, but yeah, it was a
treatise about the Thompson Northwest Indians.Yeah, I'll find it and get it
to you. But yeah, it'sreally interesting because I think we should give
a lot of credit to the storiesof the indigenous peoples. They've been here
forever. Yeah, I agree completelythe other good documentations of the land for
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hundreds upon hundreds of years. Yes, And I mean there are a lot
of a lot of stories about Bickfoot, you know. Yeah, just looking
at this, it kind of remindsme of the windigo a little bit,
just looking at the shape of it, the gautness, the almost skeletal appearance
of it. Did you find anycorrelations between this and the windego your research?
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I did. I think it's entirelypot Like when I see someone and
they're they're claiming, okay, butthis is a wind ago and this is
a crawler. And this is tosay that with such certainty is a little
bit presumptuous because we don't really know. We make up names, right.
I think that it's very possible thatwe're talking about the same thing that the
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wind ago. No, I thinka skinwalker is something a bit different,
just based on the descriptions, becauseit can basically take on the shape of
it's a shape shifter, right.But there have also been witness reports of
crawlers shape shifting. So I don'tknow if maybe these things are just like
a skinwalker in their base form beforethey shift. I don't know, but
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yeah I have the wind ago lord. That sounds a lot like a crawler.
It didn't originally have antlers. Itwas media modern Yeah, yeah,
who popular popularized? Did I saythat right? Yeah? I think so
very slowly, but yeah popular.I'm not even gonna try it again,
you know what I mean? Yeah, it was modern media who added the
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antler. So where did I justhave this conversation the other day about that?
Who are we talking about? Morgan? Yeah? Yeah, I talked
about it. I'm such a fan. Oh it's Canton and I know that's
how you pronounce it because I wentto school with um, these twins called
Allison and um Samantha Knates and sothat's how a lot. Oh, I'm
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such a fan of ours. She'sso nice, she's she's great. You
guys should talk with the antler thing. I talked about it even with Chad
Lewis a little bit. It's justadd ons, like you're saying, you
know, with media, with moviesto try to almost intensify the scare factor
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because like a almost a skull likehead with antlers, bigger, taller,
scar bigger, taller, massive.It really instills fear into you and it
causes confusion as if it's not scaryenough though really yeah, then it into
like not DearS. Have you readabout not DearS? They're I love not
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deer stories if you listen to expandedperspectives. Those guys have a handful of
those stories. They have a wholeepisode on it. So I actually get
to go on and talk to them. Shut up, I know, I'm
so excited. I got okay,okay, yeah, yeah, because I've
actually been, um, I've beenlike thinking about reaching out to them,
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to talk to them, to getthem on, but I'm like, I
don't know if they do podcasts ornot, but they seem they seem pretty
chill, So I love them.I love them. Yeah. Um,
I think they've got gone on withLawn Strickler. Hey write the main humanoids.
They're um, oh yeah, theyuse his website all the time.
I don't know if they're I feellike I heard one time that they said
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that they were like website partners withhim, but like I could totally be
miss speaking, but yeah, theykind of have where they read off of
his website all the time and dohis reports fan them and monsters. Okay,
yeah, yeah, but I sawone of their episodes where they had
mentioned UM going on and speaking withwine. Um. I don't remember why
we were talking about. Oh not, dear Dear. I had never heard
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of those until I saw a postonline stricklers Well. He had posted Facebook
from his website and I thought,is this that UM condition? What's it
called UM? Where that where theit's a neurological condition that the dear yet
Oh? I was thinking of thecondition where you're seeing something looks almost real
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but it's slightly off. Yeah,the Uncanny Valley. Yes, yeah,
yes, Um, I'm I'm talkingabout UM. Let me look it up.
It's called something weird disorder. Dearyet Sorry, I'm like, I
have to talk out my Google forit to for it to do right.
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Seriates me. Okay, here itis chronic wasting disease. It's us yea
and stuff in their head. Butthey also yes, but their behavior also
becomes very off. But I mentionedsomebody coming in on my YouTube about this,
and I'm like, is it possible? Because I always like to go
more logical first, you know,um, and I'm like, is it
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possible this is chronic wasting disease?And that guy said no. The not
deer phenomenon is much more intense,and I haven't really looked into it enough
to really be able to speak onit, but idead seem Another story from
one's website where these two guys arelooking for a cemetery and they're in the
(29:40):
road and they stop and there's acrawler and that they see this pale humanoid
and they're in shock, and acar comes from behind and rounds the corner
and as soon as the headlights hitthey watch this thing transform into a deer.
Holy shit. That gave me chills. Bro, Yeah them too if
(30:03):
if I was driving through the cemeteriesalso fucking crawling, like what the fuck?
But yeah, getting out of thereand like I think I'm falling out
of the grave, that'd be myfirst thought, right. Um. You
know, for the book I wasgonna, I wasn't gonna mention this,
and just I was gonna publish it. But what I've done is I've gotten
(30:25):
a data scientist. And there issomething called a web crawler, and so
you can crawl all kinds of stories, and you can get data points and
you can draw correlations. Made oneonce, did you? That's that's cool?
But yeah, cemeteries come up alot um and crawler sliding stories,
so do dear um. Yeah,tapping on windows is one of them.
(30:48):
Oh god, yeah, that justsent chills down my leg. Back.
You're welcome, No, yeah,I mean what there are so many nights
where like, I don't know whyI don't have curtains on these windows,
and I should, but I'll justlike be laying in bed listening to something
(31:08):
creepy, falling asleep, and I'mlike, man, what would I do
right now if I looked out thewindow and some ship was like looking back
in with me and looking back inat me. Yeah, it's like I
got sliding glass doors on my bedroom. They go to my back porch.
But just seeing someone fucking peeking inthat ship in the middle of the night,
(31:32):
Oh, are we laugh? No? I don't know. I was
just looking up in the corner andit said laugh and I was like,
oh, man, I hope mymom was not watching. I've been dropping
a bomb. No, it's it'sit's okay. Cool dude. We went
like half an hour before without hittingrecord. Oh yeah, remember that shit,
(31:56):
Like, yeah, we're awesome though. I So. The scariest not
dear story I heard was one inLinda Godfrey's book called I Know What I
Saw, and it was it wasabout this guy driving out on some dirt
roads or some shit like that,out like through all these corn fields and
(32:19):
old farmer fields and stuff, andhe watched a herd of deer like out
in the field start galloping towards himand get up on their hind legs and
start running at him, like hewas they're gonna assault his car. Like,
dude, I'm driving down to Virginiathis past weekend on vacation and we're
like a half an hour from myin law's house, and my wife's sitting
(32:42):
passenger seat obviously, and I've beendriving for like nine and a half ten
hours at this point, and she'slike, watch for deer. I'm like,
all right, cool whatever, I'mdriving and the deer down Virginia or
fucking tiny by the way, butwe're driving and out of nowhere, she's
like watch out, and I'm like, what what the fuck? What?
She's like, there's deer. I'mlike where She's like, well, they're
(33:05):
back there. Now, I'm like, don't ever do that too it.
Yeah, that's the whole time I'mthinking, I'm like, what do these
motherfuckers jump off and they start runningbehind me? Like like that story that
Linda Godfrey head in her book.I'm like, that'd be absolutely terrifying.
So, like, I can onlyimagine what you were thinking about when you
saw that crawler on the side ofthe road when you were driving. Yeah,
(33:27):
well, it's it's strange because listento this. I was looking at
this thing and I knew what Iwas seeing in front of me. There
was no doubt about that. Butyou know how someone will tell you a
story and you get a picture inyour mind's eye about what they're talking about,
you know, or when you reada book, you can visualize it
in your mind's eye. I washaving this experience of like this image coming
(33:49):
into my mind's eye trying to convincewell, I say, trying to convince
me, But in my mind's eyewas like I was seeing myself on the
road looking at a deer and Iknew that I wasn't and it was kind
of like I felt like I hadto fight against that, Like it felt
intrusive, and instructive, and Ilike, I don't even know how long
that went on, but it drainedme because I wouldn't accept it. I
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was like, no, this isnot a dear, this is a crazy
looking chalk way. What the fuck? This is not a deer? And
I found you know, So that'sone of the things I said to my
friend when I called, I actuallyhad the voicemail that I left that night.
She found it, like I think, years later, in a phone
that had been dropped between couch cushionsand she was moving and she's like,
(34:34):
I've got the voicemail, and that'swhat I say. I was like,
it's it wasn't a deer, itwasn't a deer. It wasn't normal.
And I was like repeating myself,like, you know, traumatized. And
I just find that very interesting,Like how many people have seen this thing,
but they were manipulated and or theirmind was trying to protect them and
(34:55):
they believe that, you know,because seeing a deer in the read really
isn't something to played a video toYouTube about. And I also wonder if
these are the people who get sounjustifiably angry when someone tells a story like
this. And just attack them viciously, like if it's something and they're subconscious
that they're reacting to and they thinkthey're reacting to this person, but it's
(35:16):
like this. I don't know.I'm still working on that that theory,
but I think it's you know,likely, it could be possible. That's
very scary. Yes, it was. I did. When I initially started
talking about this, I left thatpart out because I couldn't. I didn't
even know how to put language toit. And then the more I saw
(35:37):
people talking about their stories and theirencounters and they and the deer would be
involved somehow, I thought there's somethingto this. This is so, how
are other people putting deer into theirstory? Was it similar to yours?
Or what I want to hear this? Well? No, not necessarily,
not that I've heard so far.I have heard people say, and this
(35:59):
is where I was like, wasit my mind trying to protect me?
Or was this same manipulating me.I've heard people say that it put this
one girl grew some horrible thoughts inher head of her cap being murdered,
and this one guy said, youknow, horrible, just like the most
graphic terrible thoughts you could imagine likeI didn't even know that my brain was
(36:22):
capable of seeing things that were sohorrible, like it was putting those in
my mind. And those are theonly two. Oh well, there's one
more where this guy talks about andit's kind of related but not. He
was doing his dissertation or some sortof big paper for his college professor on
window gaze and he woke up.You may have heard this one. He
(36:44):
woke up one night and he hadbeen feeling increasingly uncomfortable the further and further
he got into his research, andhe had a horrible dream one night and
he woke up and he just instinctivelywalks to his window and he looks out
and there's a or standing in hisyard and it looks dead at him,
straight into the eyes, looks deadat him. And he said, I'm
(37:07):
I'm getting the chill bumps again.Guys, And he says, I quit.
I emailed my professor the next morningand I said, I can't.
I'm gonna have to change my topic. I can't do this. So they
knew and they were like coming tolike threaten him. Yeah. Yeah,
either that or it was like,I mean, I don't even know what
to think about deer anymore guys,Like are they all crazy? Or they
(37:29):
all these things like something demonic tome? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
like almost like a possession or somethinglike that, like a pretty like yeah,
but like are these not deer?Are they all skinwalkers or or they
not dear their own set of paranormalthings. I mean that baits me.
(37:54):
That's a great question, Like,yeah, you know, I'll probably I'll
probably stay up till two A.I'm looking into that good. I can't
help myself. Um No, Ineed to get some sleep tonight, but
yeah, I haven't. I needto look more into the not dear phenomenon
because I kind of and you know, this is awful of me, because
I talk about keeping an open mind. I kind of thought, oh,
(38:15):
it's wasting disease and these people areoverreacting, which is completely unfair of me,
Like shame on me for that.So I need to I really need
to look into it. I don'tknow, though, are they all demonic?
I mean they come up in mybackyard. I have a persymmetry back
there, so now I'm real freakedout. Nah, I don't think they
They're too pretty, some of themto be to be well, you know
(38:37):
you think that because of Bambie.I mean, like, you know,
no, you were. We weretotally insensitized by media, right, So
they killed his mom. Yeah,I killed his mom too. I ate
them the other day too. Didit taste like a skin walker? Didn't
(39:00):
have that wild game taste to it? Just a little wild yeah? Yeah,
yeah, goodness, I've shot adeer before to you, but oh
no, I could. I mean, I'll eat them, but I would
cry. I can't do it.You're awesome. My dad makes fun of
me. He's like, you're you'relike he calls me like miss mother Nature.
(39:22):
He's like, you just want tolove everything to death. I should
be fucking vegan for the way Iam with animals. It's terrible. I'm
such a hypocrite. We were wewere out in the woods hunting the one
time, and like there's a there'sa fence around, like the they have
(39:44):
like new tree growth out in thestate parks and ship so they have these
cages kind of things. It's likeelectric fans. But we were out there
and it's sloped, it's really steepsloped hill and there's a path that all
the way around the area. Wewere walking the path at one time when
we found deer hoofs like the fourthe four legs of it snapped clean off
(40:08):
and like we're sitting out there talkingabout wind. They goes the whole time
and scaring the shit out of herfriend. And then we walked across the
ashet. I was like, whatthe fuck is this? I'm like,
what would it snapped? It's likeit's clean off. There's no deer around,
Dylan. That is actually another correlationwith a dude, don't even tell
Yeah, I can't. I can'tnot say it um either. The deer's
(40:31):
head ripped clean off, like andnot cut. It was so clean.
It was clean, yeah you okay? Like it was it was cut clean
like a knife had cut through themor they snapped in half. Was there
jacket edges or it was no,it was it was clean like a clean
I guess it'd be like a knifecut in half. But like there was
(40:54):
no saw marks, there's no blood. It was like the forearms, you
know, so like snap clean likefaf here. But they were still standing
or were they lay they were layingdown. It is just the front front,
four legs. Okay, but whatwere you going to say? What
does that have to do with thecrawlers. Well, okay, there's this
video. I'm not sure if you'llsaying it. It says evil creatured.
(41:16):
C Are you sure it's not froma movie? I'm positive, I'm positive.
Okay, this guy called Rick grabinikUm and a lot of people say
that the video has been de bondbecause a lot of people have come up
pretending to be Red grabinik but theyare not Rick grabbinik Um. He had
something coming into his backyard and umWes from Sasquatch Chronicles actually got Rick and
(41:40):
his creature to come on because okay, the video starts and this guys.
You hear the phone ring in andhe's calling us, let me grab a
lake. Oh stop? It isthis? Okay, this is fucked up,
because I'm pretty sure I know this. And then I was listening to
Oh my god, I listened toso many podcasts during the day, I
forget. But I was listening tosomething I think it was Monsters among Us
(42:00):
and he played the clip of thisguy. There's a YouTube video that goes
along with it. Is it thatone that he put his camera up against
the window and he's like creature?Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Oh that
was my dog in the background.That wasn't like me anyway to crap out
of me. I thought, itdoesn't. He just likes to make himself
(42:22):
comfortable and he like makes noises.But anyways, yeah, then how fucked
up is that that? I justlike, listen to that. Yeah,
that's the one. And so youknow when something like this comes up,
like hill Billy Willie is the forumuser who posted the original trail camp photo
of what they call the right umRit Grabnik posted this video to his YouTube
(42:42):
channel, UM, but people wereso hard on him. Wes had a
hard time getting him to come on. So he did go onto Sasquatch Chronicles
And I have that episode saved becauseI joined the site so I could get
it. I just in the chatsent the Rick Grabinik video UM, and
I've got it on Google drops.So um, I'll link y'all to that
episode so you can hear him talkabout it because he's on with his preacher
(43:06):
and he's on with his neighbor,and his neighbor was having some weird activity
and found a deer head that hadbeen ripped off and it was just sitting
in his yard. Um. Yeah, and then a story sees this naked
humanoid I said, naked, I'mso southern, and um the distance of
his yard. And then the nextday he's walking and he sees a deer
(43:29):
head just like somebody had just placedit there, right in the center of
the trail. So that's another youknow, that's only three that I'm aware
of, um, and I'm notthree with all of the data science part
of it. That's actually what I'mwaiting on to um turn in my manuscript.
That and a Freedom of Information Actrequests that I UM filed with the
National Park Service. But give mea straight answer about where I need to
(43:53):
send it to. So okay,yeah, yeah, finding parts of deer
is ah and I wonder if that'swhat they do to it to get in
it, like to take it off, like like to wear it's hide,
like they know where. Okay,I didn't see that movie. That's scary,
but but you know, yeah Ican, I can already. Yeah
(44:19):
that sucked up to try. Ican't even talk now. But UM,
what I was going to say was, that's like how they would do like
with the wolf pelts and stuff.Remember for like back in like the God
what are those stories from like thefifteen hundreds or something, the werewolf stories
that they put the pelts on andthen they turn into a werewolf. What
if it's just like that that theyfucking take the deer hide and turn into
(44:43):
Oh my god, that's so fuckingcreepy. And what if the werewolves they're
like what people are saying and callingdogman. See I didn't mean to start
I accidentally started playing that thing.I think dogmen and werewolves are two separate
things. A lot of people likeargue over that, but yeah, um
yeah, okay. I gets soirritated with people arguing. It's like,
(45:05):
you know, let's just if wecould get along, we might be able
to figure some stuff out. ButI don't know enough about I actually know
enough about dogmen to know that thereare four different stories that have been told,
and in each story, the witnesshas some sort of information about dogmen
hunting um crawlers or rakes um andand and killing them like that's it's included
(45:32):
in the book that that I'm writing. But um yeah, the first video
I ever uploaded, I talk aboutthis experience in Colorado where, um,
my friend and I we were skiingand we come up on this like roundish
jelly looking structure and it appears tobe At the time, I had no
(45:53):
idea what it was, but itlooked like um water but jelly kind of
like plasma. Well, she shegets to stick her finger through it,
and I'm like terrified, Like Idon't know why, but I thought it
was going to burn her finger.Well, she sticks her finger through it,
and we can no longer say thepart of her finger that she is
(46:14):
stuck through it, like up toher knuckle is gone. But like,
was it like was it like um, kind of like frosted looking, because
that's what I'm picturing my head,or was it like clear? Um,
it was like as if you werelooking through like okay, if like some
water came up in front of youor some like jelly like plasma. It
(46:34):
was blurry behind it, kind oflike the predator type thing, you know,
like you could stay through it.But there was something there well,
and there was this. Yeah,it was crazy. Well I don't know
though, if it's that or ifit's a hot if it's like like this
very hot tech captured device. I'mnot sure it could be either, but
um, yeah, like a hottech captured device like some kind of technology
(47:00):
that comes in and scoops people up, and that's how you know that's a
working hYP officist. But I said, okay, so Dave Hey. After
that, I had this clip ofhim doing, we hold on a second,
let's go back to your finger yourfriends stucker finger in it then did
like you just did. You guysleft it. Um, yeah, wed
around, We noped the fuck outof there. Yeah. Um wait,
(47:22):
how big was it? Uh?Let's see, Um, I'm trying to
think of something okay, um,like a spare tire, but not that
shit, not like the the edgesof it were not near as like you
know, rounded, They were veryirregular, but about the shape about the
size of a spare tire. Andit was at about um, I was
(47:43):
sixteen, so yeah, I'm stillthe same height. I wasn't in um
it was it was from like,okay, I'm I'm five one, so
I'm basically a fairy. But itwas about from my belly button to my
um the top of my head.And see the crazy thing is we were
going down this trail and they werejust because we weren't very experienced skiers,
and it was like this. Ithad some heels and it would kind of
(48:06):
propel you, you know, sowe thought we were the ship because we
could go fast and there were thesepeople just stopped in the middle of it,
so we had to like each huga tree. She went one way,
I went the other. And afterthat, like, I don't remember
seeing those people again. I don'tremember them walking off. They didn't pass
us when we turned the opposite directionto run, they weren't anywhere in sight.
(48:30):
Oh thank you. And so yeah, it was insane. But after
that she thought, um like shethought that I had caused it, like
I called it in somehow. Likeit's because from when I was a kid,
I would, you know, Iwas a little bit weird and I
would say things sometimes and then theywould happen. But it's not like I
knew, you know, I didn'tknow if they were gonna happen. It
(48:51):
was I don't know if I waspicking up on some sort of I was
just a weird ass little kid.And so she thought from that that I
had caught it in and caused itto happen, which I asolutely did not.
I was just as terrified. Butum so Dave tells a story about
getting this letter from a hunter andthe hunter tells basically the same story.
He's walking and then he gets onthis trail and he hears this um vibration
(49:15):
sound and then he looks and therehe descrapped, like exactly what we saw.
And so yeah, it's like thefirst video I ever uploaded. It's
a and that's a clip from Coachto Coast. Stay yea, all right,
(49:36):
before we go tonight, I wantto give you time to talk about
your book and what the reader canexpect to learn from this. So if
you want to take some time andtell us kind of like a brief overview
of it, and then we'll talkabout where we can find all of your
awesome content. Okay, Oh that'svery sweet. All right. Yeah.
So, um, it just basicallyI go into depth about the encounter,
(50:00):
um, and you know, alittle bit about what my life was like
prior to and then how it completelywrecked my worldview. UM. Then I
go brilliant depth into the investigation ofthat trail camp photo. There's some really
surprising information there. Um. Itwas not debunked by bya long shot.
It was poor investigative work. UM. From what I've learned and I continue
(50:23):
to learn, that photo is authentic. UM, So I talk about that,
and then M I go into likesome um things about the Army Corps
of Engineers and how they may beinvolved. Um, that gets real interesting
as well. And then I I'veincluded some encounter stories from other people,
(50:45):
and these are stories you have notheard before, because I'm not using any
stories off I've read it. UM, these are and a lot of the
people have never told their story before. UM. And then UM, I
just kind of talk about higher purposebehind encounters like these, because you know,
before this happened to me, Iwas very superficial, you know,
(51:07):
probably a bit selfish and sorry,I'm lease my voice. UM. It's
just made me so much more curiousand compassionate and open, you know,
open minded. And I think ifif there is a higher purpose to encounters
like that, it's gonna be howit just changes you. And at first
(51:29):
it's hard, you know, becauseyou lease friends, people call you crazy,
but I always say, yep,I'm crazy, and yes you can
have some because UM, I wouldn'tI wouldn't take any of it back.
The people that I've met in thiscommunity, or some of the nicest,
most authentic, genuine people I've evermet, in my life and UM,
(51:49):
so yeah, UM the book,I'm not exactly sure. My date got
pushed back a little bit for acouple of reasons, but UM, I
think definitely by the end of May, early Jean, probably before that.
UM, it will be out andthen I have there's a lot of information
already on my YouTube channel and soUM my website, UM, I think
(52:12):
I just sent you the link tothat. Let's see if it works.
It does, okay, Yeah,And so my website is missy Lee Sterling
dot com. UM M I SS Y l E I G H S
T E R l I n G. It's kind of long, but um
dot com. And then you know, you can share an encounter story with
me if you'd like to. UM, I need more um because i'd gotten
(52:37):
some initially and I didn't go aboutit quite the right way as far as
the consent and release stuff. Souh, I had I'm having to start
over. But that's okay because Ithink you know, if I hadn't had
to start over, then I wouldn'thave had the idea about, um,
the data science thing, because ifwe don't the thing about cryptozoology, you're
not gonna ever prove anything definitively withouta body, and that's kind of hard
(53:00):
to do. But what we cando is we can take stories from the
Internet and all these anecdotal counts andway hand you know, set parameters and
draw correlations. And that's valid becauseanecdotes lead to hypothesis. So I'm you
know, I don't think that's beendone before. So I'm pretty excited about
that part of it being in thebook. And um, yeah, I
(53:22):
think that's did I answer everything Ithink I did? I believe so I
caught out for a little bit.My internet so shitty tonight. Yeah,
and we'll oh just throw yeah,we'll gay. Oh my god, I'm
stuttering and I interrupted you. I'msorry. Go ahead, you're good.
You're the one. I like.We started a word like three times in
(53:46):
the middle of the word. Itwas great. But yeah, websites are
awesome. I'm glad you have one. We have one copynsolved dot com.
But web there's such al nowadays becauseyou can put all your stuff in one
(54:07):
spot. Yeah. You know Iheard that the same girls who invented post
it invented websites. I would believethat too. Yeah, yeah, but
yeah, well be sure to dropall of your links into their show notes
so they'll be easy for everyone tofind. Now your book will be available
for purchase right through your website wellAmazon, through Amazon Kindle and paperback yep.
(54:32):
And then I'm um if people willsubscribe to my email um list,
like I'm gonna give out a goodmany free ones, just like you know,
draw names un amazing, Yeah,because I need people to be on
email list so I can tell themmy book's out. Man. You know,
if you win it, great,but if not, go buy it
um. And also like if somebodygives me an encounter story, they get
(54:57):
a free book too. Now,don't make some stuff up up just because
you want to bring Yeah, youbetter be careful with that. Look.
I can I can tell. Ican tell. I just can because I've
read so many and I've experienced it, um. And I have found that
people, when they talk about it, it's not easy for them. A
lot of them. Um. Iwill transcribe it for them because they don't
(55:22):
it's hard for them to write itor for I hear I'm talking and I
can hear it in their voice.And like I've I cried with a guy
the other night, you know,because it was just so. He was
like, you know, I'd neverfound anything and I've been searching forever and
I saw your video and it andthen he kind of lost it and I
did too. We like sat thereand sobbed together, and I'm like,
(55:43):
well, we're in a club now. We may not necessarily know him.
We wanted to be in this club, but here we are. Buddy.
Um, but yeah, like Ido need encounter stories, but if you
have posted it to read it,I can't use it. So um and
I need I'm going to put alink to your website on mine, Dylan,
I need to do. That wouldbe great. Yeah, we would
(56:06):
appreciate that. I will absolutely.I have had so much fun I could
talk to y'all all night. Wellit's it's been a pleasure talking to you
tonight, Missy. We appreciate youcoming on. Thank you very much.
Thank you for having me. Umall right, bye, guys. Hey,
guys, that is it for thisone. Thank you so much for
(56:27):
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to reach out to us directly,you can do so by sending us an
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