57: North American Dogman Project w/ Nick Valente

On this episode of MITM Laura is joined by Nick Valente, head of North American Dogman Project- Section 3&5. Nick is former police and military. His love of the paranormal has drove him to study cryptozoology, to prove or disprove the phenomenon. Nick and Laura discuss his boots on the ground investigation work of cryptids and share some terrifying encounters.

Episode Transcript

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Unsolved Media. Hey guys, it'sLaura here, and you're probably wondering why

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you heard a different intro in thebeginning of this episode. So I have
a few announcements to make. Firstof all, Dylan has decided to step
down from podcasting. We're still friends. There's no drama. We didn't have
any argument or anything like that.But he just doesn't have the time to
commit to it anymore, and hehas other things that he's working on now,
so I wish him all the best. Him and I are still really

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good friends, so we'll still bein touch, and you will come back
and do other episodes with me fromtime to time. Now that being said,
last year I had started my ownpodcast called Midnight in the Mountains.
I know some of you had listenedto it, and I really appreciate that.
From here on, Creepy Unsolved willbe ending, and I'm going to

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pick Midnight in the Mountains back up. I'm going to bring my very good
friend Aaron back on with me,who did a few episodes of Midnight in
the Mountains with me before, sowe're going to co host. I'm probably
going to record some episodes by myself, so I'm probably going to also have
some of my friends come in andalso co host with me, just kind
of mix things up a little bitand do some different things that I've been

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wanting to do. So that beingsaid, I hope you guys will follow
Midnight in the Mountains. I'm goingto post a couple episodes on this feed
for a while and my own Midnightin the Mountains podcast feed, and then
eventually I'm just going to stop postingon Creepy on Salve feed and just keep
everything onto the Midnight in the Mountainsand you'll be able to find that podcast

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on any podcatcher you can find CreepyUnsolved on. So with that being said,
I'm done rambling on. I justwant to thank you for listening this
far and this episode of Midnight inthe Mountains. Nick Valenti joins me,
and he was so much fun totalk to. I could have talked to
him for hours. Nick and Italked for almost two hours, and I

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split this episode up into two differentparts, so the next part will be
dropped the following week after this one. All right, guys, let's get
into it all right. Well,we were talking off the air about LBL.
Yes, I was saying that DaRoberts and I when we were there
last year. Yeah, we werethere one one thirty two o'clock in a

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warning because that's the best time youwant to find anything. You want to
find something at nighttime. Cryptid's animals, they all come out at night at
least the nocturnal once because they wantto, you know, move around and
go hunting. During the daytime they'resleeping, But at nighttime in LBL.
LBL is so oppressive. First ofall, the canopy, the leafy canopy

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above you is it just blocks outthe sun and you feel the suppressive feeling
and you have this idea in yourmind that you know it doesn't want me
here, you know. But it'sso silly because we did come upon a
bunch of people near the water.They're able like a beach front over there,
and we did walk around the area, but there were so many people

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there that we weren't going to findany sort of cryptics or anything. So
we would go to the more howcan I say, the areas people don't
want to go to. We werelike walking into the forest area during the
daytime and at nighttime the same deal. We would park the car and we
would walk into the forest area.But like I was telling you before,

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it is pitch black in land betweenthe Lakes Kentucky, and I imagine it's
the same thing in Tennessee in thereat LBL because it's they're connected by that
body of water. And not onlywould you find cryptids out there, sasquatch
or dog man, but you're gonnafind bear, You're gonna find coyote,
You're gonna find wolves. The wolvesnuts so much that they would they don't

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generally bother humans. But the snakesI was telling you about. I saw
over a dozen non poisonous snakes.I saw several poisonous snakes. I know
how to tell the difference between them. You can just look at them and
there the shape of their heads.Also you can look at the diamonds and
the shapes on their the rest oftheir body. They're long, slithery bodies

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over there. But besides the snakes, there's also spiders. I was observing
a couple of trees over there whilewe're walking through during the daytime, and
I can imagine at nighttime, youcome up against a tree and the thing
jumps on you, you know,and you're not going to die from a
spider bite. But you sure hisheck are going to get sick? Who
wants to get bit by an insectanyway? You know? And I'm an

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a spiders or we look this much. This is almost four and a half
inches. They were big, looklike a wolf spider, and a couple
of them were black spiders. Andall I know is that you surprise anything
a non poisonous snake, a spider, It could bite you. And those
are the things I try to getacross the people. When you're out there,

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where the proper clothing and have theproper equipment. Definitely have a jeeps
if you can afford it, havea GPS tracking system on you. They're
only about yeaight egg. Once again, I'm showing you because you can see
me and I can see they're onlyabout five inches. But there's a button,
a special button on there that youcan hit and they'll come right for

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you. Now in LBL, Idon't know. I would hope they can
because the canopy is so thick.But I'll tell you the cell phones were
not working, absolutely not working.But really, people when they go in
there, they really should take aproper first kid and understand that that might
save your life. I mean notthat you're going to get attacked by a

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crypto or something or an animal oranything, but you could possibly fall down,
you know, and get a sticklodge in your leg, and you
got to do the first aid onthat. You got to get out of
there somehow. And in order toget out of here, if you're bleeding
profusely, your first aid kit comesin handy. And I don't mean aspirins

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and little tiny wipes and some bandaids. I'm talking about a real first
aid kit that you can actually takecare of a wound or two or three,
because you never know how many you'regoing to get when you're out there.
The kit I have that I havefor my personal self, I could
take care of about seven different people'sgreat severe wounds and it doesn't take that

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much to know how to pack aproper kit and you know, stop the
bleeding and all that. Also,people should take bottles of water with them,
and I don't mean one, youknow, or two, I'm talking
at least three, because you neverknow you have a wound, you want
to wash it off. That's thefirst thing you want to do, is
you want to wash it off.Also, something to eat, because if

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you do get lost out there inthe woods, it might be several days.
Something I wish. I wish wehad video here I'll show you.
This is a hyper whistle. Youprobably heard me talk about it in the
past. I don't know that theyhave I might have. Well, I
won't blow it totally, but onehundred and forty six escibels it goes up
to. And they have a coupleof different whistles. You can you don't

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have to go to special place.You can go to Amazon and type in
super whistle, you know, andto rate that down. Actually, because
I just have like your old regularstandard whistle that I'll keep in my backpack
when I go hiking. But thereason I actually wear this one here and
I have the super whistle also,but I wear this one here is because
if I do come across a cryptid, I'm going to try to hit it

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with every non lethal thing I canfirst to try to dissuade it from coming
at me. Now, the NorthAmerican Dogman Project that I belong to and
am director of Region three and justrecently am director of Region five that's the
Northeast and the southeast section of theUnited States, The thing is when you

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go out there, you want todisrupt whatever is coming at you, and
they're hearing is probably forty to fortyfive times better than ours. One hundred
and forty six decibels is really reallygoing to shock whatever's out there. The
biggest thing I recommend people taking withthem is bear spray, however, and
learn how to use the bear spray. And I mentioned them with the North

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American Dogman Project and we're a nokill organization, but that doesn't mean we're
not a self defense organization either.When I go in, I expect to
come back home, just like anybodyelse that goes into a forest area,
you have a right to expect tocome back home. I generally am armed.
We will talk about, you know, firearms and stuff, but that's

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what I'm talking about. And oneI don't care. That's right. You're
from good I'm pro firearm. Soyou're people out there who would be so
offended. But you know what,if a giant brown bear came up,
it was going to rip your faceapart. I think anybody would try to
shoot it. But I generally havetwo canisters of bear spray with me shoot

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out in a conical shot and notnot just a stream, but a conicle
mist and the one I've purchased goesthirty six feet. So I'll shoot at
whatever's coming at me, and ifthat doesn't stop them, now I have
to go on to something else.I also carry electronic flash bangs. They

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put out one hundred and thirty decipelscreeching sound, one thousand, two hundred
lumens of flashing light. So I'mgoing to be trying to disrupt whatever's coming
at me with audio and with visualand it really works well at nighttime.
I'll be very honest with you.These I carried to them, the electronic
flash bangs. All you got todo is press the button, hold it

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for two seconds and toss them andthey go off and it's just piercing,
screaming sound and it's down to bothersomething out there. Well, let me
ask you this, How does that? How does that not affect you then?
And mess up? You're hearing andyou're seeing. Well, what I
wear? Once again, I wasgoing to show you, but I can't.
What I wear are electronic earmuffs andyou could use You can buy them

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and use them for when you goshooting firearms that arrange what they do is
they magnify your hearing. So nowI'm able to hear around me about eight
to ten times better than my normalhearing. So if something's coming at me
or trying to creep up on me, I could actually hear it if it's
within certain amount of feet. Andlike I said, well you even know,

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like like your dog. Your dogcan hear like forty five times and
your cat can too. So I'mlooking at a dog man or even a
sasquatch for that matter, and I'msaying to myself, well, they can
probably hear super well. Also,now my ear earmuffs, electronic earmuffs,
they're giving me a slight advantage overat a regular person out here that doesn't

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have them on, because they're notgoing to be able to hear what I'm
able to hear. And I'm goingto tell you when you're out there,
the crickets really sound loud in that. So I'm really happy with them.
I'm really happy. But if someone'sgoing to creep up on me, I
want to know if it's coming,you know, if it's coming at me,
and I'm going to let loose withthe things that I carry. I
also carry a portable laser that hasan attachment that splits the beam up into

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like four hundred different beams, andthat would disrupt the eyes on something out
there, whether it be a bearer, a coyote, or whatever is going
to come down at you or arecrypted, you know, anything like that.
Plus I've expanded, I went outsidethe box with my thinking these days,

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what happens if I come across aUFO an alien At this point,
I have firearms, I have theirspray. I have my whistle here to
disrupt the ears. I have thelaser to disrupt the eyes. I also
carry holy water. I carry blacksalt, white salt, and I also
carry sage. And I have likethree cigarette lighters. Thick lighters are the

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best thing to get. Those arethe best things to take with you when
you're growing out there in case youneed to make a fire, you know
something, or make a fire tosignal or whatever. I mean we're talking
about at nighttime, of course,but you know, during the daytime,
if you need a fire, insteadof using those ferrow rods, why not
just whip out the little bit lighter. Of course, your dollar nineteen and

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bam you have a flame. Hey, I carry like one or two of
those with me when I go out, and I usually like to even if
I'm like traveling somewhere for the weekend, I like to keep them on me
just in case you never know.So, like I said, I'm I'm
actually when I think outside the I'msaying I don't know what I'm going to
meet out there, because I haddone a study, and I don't know
if you've heard about what I didlast year. For six months straight,

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I took every dogman and sasquatch reportand I tried to contact all the people
that I could. With those reports, I had stopped at just under three
hundred and seventy six, but afterthe six months I continued, it also
up to well over six hundred people. And my percentage of people that saw

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a UFO type object in the skybefore or after an encounter or a siting
with a sasquatch or a dogman,and some people saw the UFO like object
in the sky before and after.Now, I had a encounter with a
dogman back in twenty thirteen, that'sback in September thirteenth, twenty thirteen,

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and after it left the area whereI was, I saw a UFO like
object in the sky. So whenwhat I did was I after six months,
I actually stopped the official count,but I continued on and I went
well over six hundred people, andI either interviewed the people on the phone,
I went to them in person,and it didn't matter if it was

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out of state, if I couldreach them. I went to him out
of state, and a lot ofpeople wanted to converse with me on messenger,
so I was able to talk tohim on Facebook Messenger, and some
people just wanted to write to mebecause it's still the stigma and people think
that they're going to be made funof, and I'm far from doing that

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because of my encounter. And Itry to specify encounter oversighting, because a
sighting as you're driving down the roadwaya dog man runs across the road.
An encounter as you're on foot,you're standing there and you see it and
it's about thirty forty feet away.That's that's to me, that's a big
difference. But it came down toninety two percent of the people that had

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a sighting or an encounter with adogman or a sasquatch either saw an object
in the sky before after or beforeand after both times, I am shocked
right now. Yeah, and thisis from all over the country and up
in the Canada, and I wantto preface it with its mostly Western Canada,
because I didn't get too many reportsfrom the eastern section. But it's

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still still hung around the ninety twopercentile area. It was up in the
ninety three and then I had morepeople I was talking to, But most
of the time people saw a UFOtype lighter object in the sky along with
their sighting or encounter of a dogman or a sasquatch. And I'm trying

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to say to myself, now,were they put down here by an alien
race or are they the alien racethat came down here? Or is it
possible that another I'm getting ahead ofmyself here, but I'm also thinking that
dog man and sasquatch might be interdimensional. They might be going through portals.

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That's my belief. I think theyare. Well, that's what I'm trying
to get together with all my research, because not only am I a field
investigator on boots on the ground outthere, that's my first love. I
love being out there. I tryto get out there as much as possible.
But I'm also a fourteen researcher,and that meaning that I will go
not only on the internet, butbooks. I'll order books, I'll go

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to libraries. When I'm in otherstates, I'll go to their small libraries
because they're small little libraries and asmall little bookstores all have old, old
books that either nobody's ever taken outfor fifty sixty one hundred years, or
the little bookstores that sell the stuffthey've got like books in there that have
dust on them an inch thick.And you never know what you're going to

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come across. Yeah. Yeah,Sometimes they come across stuff in research and
you're like, holy crap, thisis you were an expecting it. But
when you find it, it's likegold. Oh it's absolutely it's It's worth
it. Yeah, And if Icould find one thing out of a magazine
or a book, it's totally worththe price because it just goes down into
my research log books and I've I'vegot tons and tons of them. I

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handwrite everything. I don't really putit on computer. I handwrite all the
field researches i've been on and I'vebeen north, south, east and western
United States. I've been up intoCanada. I've been down into Mexico,
and like I said on other shows, my mantra is to prove or to
disprove the existence of these cryptids.And so far, to me, dog

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Man exists mainly because I had anencounter and I saw my own eyes Chubcabra.
I went across the border from Texasinto Mexico, and I saw what
was told to me by the Iwant to call him a farmer, but
he's a rancher farmer. And hehad shot it because it had torn apart

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a couple of his sheep and oneof his goats. And this thing was,
I want to say, anywhere fromforty to forty two inches long from
the butt all to all the wayto the nose. It had bluish skin,
It had no hair. It didhave a ridge line across the top
of its head all the way downthe back ridge line of I guess for

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some kind of hair. But itwas only like a half an inch in
height. And he had shot thisthing. And what we found out sending
back some of the DNA from it, because he allowed me to take some
of it, you know, samplesfrom the so called chubicabra. And it
turned out to have. It waslike forty eight percent wolf, forty five

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percent coyote, and then unknown forthe rest. So I'm thinking that this
thing is part wolf, part coyotebecause it looked really funny. And the
reason it didn't have hair on itsbody like a wolf or a coyote is
because it had a skin disease andI could see the skin disease right on
it. And the skin disease aveterinarian describe what this does to the animal.

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It drives them crazy. It alsoinhibits their normal hunting prowess. Normally,
they can hunt when they're out there. They'll go after deer, they'll
go after rabbits and such. They'llgo after any kind of water borne fowl
or anything like that. But they'rejust incapacitated in their hunting prowess. So

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what they do is they go afterdomestic animals like dogs and sheep and goats
and chickens and stuff like that.And that's the reason why a lot of
people in farms have reported seeing thesetubicabras because they're going after easy break,
I mean a chicken. They're kindof cooped up in an area. Even
though they're fast, they can grabthem really quick. A lamb's not going

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to fight back, you know,sheep, you know, So that's what
they go after out there. ButI got the seat thing with my own
two eyes, and I'm saying tomyself, well, I guess this is
what they call it jubicabra. Yeah, that's sad for the animals that I
have no idea where, where,or how they caught the disease, the
skin disease, but it's prevalent becauseI have a couple of friends that live

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in Texas and they've seen these animalson the roadways because they drive at nighttime,
and you know, Texas is abig state. You can go down
a roadway for what fifty sixty milesbefore you see anybody or a town or
anything at all, and they'll seeall kinds of animals out there. And
these gentlemen have told me that,yeah, they've seen these things, and

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I don't know, I guess theyjust caught the disease out there, like
like if your dog or cat wentout in the local forest area and picked
up a tick or two, theycaught this disease and it won't drive them
absolutely crazy. Well, that's likeI mean, we've had problems with our
dogs getting mange because a fox willcome around the chicken coop, so it's
I mean, it's kind of thesame thing. Yeah, they're going to

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pick up with disease. It's likeyou and I could pick up something from
somebody in a you know that wecome in close contact within an apartment store
or supermarket. But yeah, thethe LBL one was something I've been at
on a lot more A couple ofmonths back. I took a full team
of seven. We took two ATVgators with us. Those are six wheeled
ATV vehicles. And what we foundwas we found footprints in the snow.

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And I'm going to have to domore research on how to get snow footprints
into a cast because what I thoughtwas work. I mean, these were
not bare footprints because in Pennsylvania upin a pokon and have black bear and
I'm gonna tell you it was thesize of not my hand so much,
but your hand. That's a blackbear footprint. The footprints we found where

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approximately once again I'm putting my handsup like eight inches across, twelve to
thirteen inches from the back to thefront. And this was not a bear
print at all and the area thatI was searching was the team was north
of the Poconos Resort area. Andas I was speaking with you before the

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show, four different sources there,there we go. That's that would be
the better word. Four different sourcesreported this to me within four to five
day period, going back a fewmonths back, and it was two couples
and two individual people, and theyall had the same story, except it

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was in the same area, andone of them actually had what I want
to call an encounter because it scratchedtheir car. The other people they were
coming to a t intersection and thisdogman upright canine, as they described it
to me, it looked like awolf on two feet ran across the roadway.

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Now, one of the sources saidthat it went from right to left.
The other three the other two sourcessaid it went from left to right.
And then the one couple, theywere coming home at nighttime, just
when the sun was coming down,and the wife looked to her right and
she saw a bipedal cryptod. Imight as well say cryptod, because that's

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that's the only way you could describeit running alongside their car. And she
goes, honey, honey, gofaster, go faster, and he's like,
what why, and she goes,look, he looked over to the
right, and he didn't hesitate.He just jammed his foot on the battle
and they got up to sixty seventymiles an hour in no time. And
for a while, this bipedal creaturewas actually pacing them. He didn't look

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to see when it when he lostit, you know, fifty or sixty
miles an hour, but evidently theywere doing at least forty because it reached
out and she heard a scrape onthe side of the car. Now,
these people own a body shop,and I don't want to give out too
much, but they did say Icould I could say that they do own
a body shop. And he tookpictures of it. He showed me,

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and they repaired, you know,after they took the pictures. They repaired
the damage that was done to thecar. But it scratched the passenger side
of the car, and it wasa pretty big scratch. It looked like
it hit it with not the thumbso much, but the other four fingers
and the nails. That it scratchedthe side of their car and it went
right through the clear coat and rightthrough the paint. And the reason they

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fixed it so quick before we wereable to get up there is it took
It was a two week lag timebefore I got a team up there.
But they fixed it quick because theydidn't want anybody to know what it was
and they didn't want to lose businessbecause, oh, these two crazy people
are talking about, you know,a dog man of all things? You
know, what next? The sasquatch, what next? The you know,

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a gugway or something like that.They were afraid of ridicule, let's put
it that way, and they didn'twant to lose business. And this is
what I find Laura. Also alot of times people call me up and
say, I'm going to tell you, but you're not going to put my
name out, you're not going togive my state, and I'm not going
to tell you you know where.But this happened to me. And then
they ask me my opinion, youknow, should we tell anybody else?

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And I tell them it's if you'recomfortable with it. Because even though it's
twenty twenty two, Laura, thisday and age, people are still afraid
of being ridiculed and made fun at. Yeah, they might be up for
a higher position at their job,and who wants to give put them in
charge? If you know this guy'sa lunatic or this lady is a crazy

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person, and they're seeing these sevenseven and a half foot beat you know,
cryptids running around on two two legs. You know, wolves are supposed
to run around on four legs,and there's thing's running on two legs.
You know, I just don't getit. I mean, this is twenty
twenty two, but people are stillbeing ridiculed about it. As far as
I'm concerned, I'm out there,person wants to tell me, Oh,

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you're full of it. You didn'tsee what you saw. Seriously, you're
going to tell me I didn't seewhat I saw. I don't make anything
off of this, as you know, I don't have a program or anything
like that. I don't try tomake money from cryptozoology. It's a love
of mine. It's a passion.I actually took two certification courses a year

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and a half ago. They wereboth six months long in order to up
my knowledge on cryptozoology. And I'mconstantly reading different books on it, besides
running several Facebook pages and constantly researchingand trying to put out information for people
out there. I don't make anymoney out of this. I make my
own money. I have plenty thatI make. I don't really need to

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go there and you know, sellanything. The shirts and hats that I
had made up were members. Theywanted me to have them made up because
they wanted them, and they purchasedthem for exactly what I got them for
plus shipping, and that was it. So I don't make any money off
of these things. That's not whereI'm at, or really got to love
the parent normal to be in it, because there's unless you're Zach Baggins,

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you're not really making money. No, not at all. I mean I
had patches made up, you know, so that my people can have something
to identify with. I had mugsmade up here. I guess I could
show you, but you know,they wanted stuff. So yeah, but
I don't make a profit on it. I mean, you're not going to
make a profit on cryptozoology. Idon't care who you are. And unless

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you're one of these Charlatans who hasa YouTube show and you know they're collecting
money, you know, so thatyou can be a member of their podcast
or broadcast or whatever, And thoseare the people that are actually making money.
What I find is, and Isay that they're more like Charlatan's is
because they're they're faking people out,and they're putting fake shows up there,

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and they're putting out fake information.Anything sensational You know that that's how they're
making their money. Sensationalism. Yeah, I don't. I don't like that.
I mean, and everybody that isinto this, you know, it
makes the rest of us look crazywhen you got someone out there claiming all
these extraordinary things. Well, that'swhat I said. That's that's the reason
why I don't try to make anymoney off it, because I don't want

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to. I just find it superinteresting at ten fifteen, sometimes twenty calls
or people sending messages to me everyweek about an encounter or a citing that
they've had different states and different countiesall over New Jersey going out, Oh
jeez. Australia, I have JohnJohn Kershaw. He's my man on the

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ground, he's our boots on theground in Australia. He runs his own
podcasts up Creepy Cryptods I think hecalls it, and he reports into me
on a monthly or bi monthly basis. And tells me about the stuff he
has there in Australia. I mean, Australia is just waiting to kill you.
You know that. That's pretty crazyout there, you brother. In

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the Junda areas over there, Imean, uh, alligators poisoned as snakes,
spiders, you, you name it. They have everything there. I
mean even if kangaroo will come upthere and try to punch you or kick
you. You know out there hewas telling me about, but he had
a few encounters. He was outfishing in a boat and we're talking about

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in Australia, and this dog manwas in the water coming towards him and
he got out of there. He'slike they could swim. I said,
of course they could swim. Adog and dog paddle a wolf can dog
can doggy paddle? Income And he'sseen this wolf like head coming after him,
and he's seen arms with claws onit. And once again I'm making
hand gestures, and he got,excuse me of Italian, So what can

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I say? But he telling meabout you know, it's it's cloying the
water and it's coming at him fasterand faster. And he had this little
ten horsepower engine and he hit theengine and he's going away, and he
kept going and for a while therehe wasn't making any headway against it,
and finally he was. He startedgoing because the stream that he bumped into

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started to pick up and help him, and he got the heck out of
there. But it wasn't the firsttime that in that area or in that
body of water that he was inthat they had a reporting of a wolf
like creature in the water going afterpeople. Uh. Two guys were in
there fishing and they saw it comingafter him. They got on their oars

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and they got out of there,totally out of there. That was another
story was telling me about. AndJohn went high tech. He now has
a drone with a really nice cameraand putting out some really good you know
footage out here. Unfortunately, nosasquatch yet, no no dog man you
know yet. But he's out thereall the time. He's out there all

(30:49):
the time doing it. And Imean, you know, so I'm in
constant contract with people throughout the worldwho who in the United States, you
know, who were telling me aboutsightings and encounters that they've had, and
it's just such such an interesting topic. And I believe within the next yeah,
two two and a half years,that the government will actually come out

(31:11):
and not give all these redacted articlesto us and tell us that, hey,
look Sasquatch is real. Bigfoot's realout there. You know, UFOs
are real. We just didn't wantto tell you because we don't want to
panic anybody. But I kind ofbelieve in the next two and a half
years, Lord, they're going tocome out with it. People are going
to start to say, see,I told you, I don't I was

(31:33):
gonna say, I don't. Idon't think that they will. I don't
know. I don't have much trustin them, but uh, I'm not
much into UFOs, But I mean, I hear a little bits and pieces,
and everybody's all mad because basically,we've been getting this big thing coming
in and then the drop comes andthere's nothing there. And I've also heard
tons of people talk about how badit would be if they actually came out

(31:56):
and said big Foot's real, becausethen they would have to to do this
whole thing with logging industries where they'regonna have to shut down like logging forests,
and then all these people are outof jobs and the industry would go
down and everything, and there's justso much money to be lost on it.
So I don't think that they wouldever do that. I mean,
maybe they would, I don't know. But you see down in like South

(32:20):
America, where I've heard that UFOsightings are just broadcasted right on their daily
news. So I don't know,Yeah, they'll show it. I'll tell
you. Last year, I waswatching the History Channel and they were showing
a logging camp up in Canada,quite close to the US border, and
they were filming something there. Ithad nothing to do with a crypto or

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anything like that, and out ofthe forest came a log I want to
say it was, according to theguy on the History Channel, was about
twelve inches around and it was aboutten feet long. It wasn't cut up.
It was like, you know,something tree that was down, and

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it came flying out of the forestarea at them, at the machines the
logging company had out there, andthis thing traveled about a good forty fifty
feet. Now, in order toprove that it was probably acrypted, I
don't know any bear that would beable to do that, you know,

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but in order to prove that itwas probably acrypted, and most likely a
Sasquatch. They had a Hollywood stuntcoordinator, a guy that does the FX
stuff, and they had him puttogether a machine that could toss a log.
The best he could do was tossa log of the same size about
twenty feet, but this thing wentalmost fifty feet. So something was out

(33:42):
there and something was awfully angry withthem. Yeah, throw something after them
like that. I mean, comeon, give me an explanation. Now.
What I wanted to say was theyhad people out there filming and they
filmed this thing. This thing wasflying from the forest area through the air
and the ground. So I meanthey weren't out there duing a movie or

(34:04):
anything. They were just out therefilming for the logging company. For whatever
reason, they had him out thereand it was absolutely crazy. So what
I wanted to tell you also isthat I had a few months back put
in through the Freedom of Information Actwhen I heard that the government was letting
stuff out on UFOs. Because notonly do I do cryptozoology now that's my

(34:24):
first passion, but I branched outto UFOology also the paranormal from when I
was younger. I'm picking up moreon that also because I'm trying to combine
it all to see maybe there isthere's a connection. Yeah, I think
there is definitely some kind of connection. And as far as portals, there
must be a portal because oh yeah, like my favorite phrases, where the

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footprint ends, you'll see Sasquat's footprints, and then they it ends right there
and there's no place for it tohave gone. So where did it go?
Maybe went through a portal. Now, yes, they can go translucent,
you know if they're further away fromyou, and you may just look.
They may blend in with the sceneryand you may just look right through

(35:13):
them. But I think there's somesort of a portal that they go through.
The same thing with the dog man, because I followed tracks, like
fifteen sixteen tracks on the ground leftfoot, right foot, left foot,
right foot, and suddenly it disappears. And a lot of times we were
not near any trees. A dogman has been known to climb trees.
And oh, I should backtrack,because I wanted to complete that thought.

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When we were in the northern areaabove the Poconos a few months back,
there was snow on the ground.What I thought to bring with me was
this aerosol cans of how could Iput it insulation? And we sprayed it
inside the dogman tracks that was inthe snow. These were pristy tracks.

(36:00):
I'm telling you, it didn't work. It did not work. I wound
up with globs of cook and thatwas it. We did find several slash
marks on some of the trees wherethe nails dug in. We did not
find any of the dogman there.However, it was funny to note this.
And I know a podcaster pretty well. Her name is Bettina Moss.

(36:25):
She had a sighting near her parents'house, and in the backyard of her
parents' house is a big cornfield.And it just so happens that where the
sightings happened in the upper northern upperarea of the Poconos that we went to,
it just happens that both sides ofthe roadway where these people saw the

(36:45):
dog man run across the road,they were both corn fields. So I'm
trying to put together what this isall about. I mean, are they
feeding it off all of the oldcornet has dropped over there? Is it
just a good hiding area? Whatyou know? I've together, I've heard
um, I've heard her tell herstory I listened to Josh a lot on

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Paranormal Roundtable. Yeah, yeah,she told her story on there. That's
where I heard it, and I'vealso heard I'm sure you know of Shannon
Lagroux. Um she does into theFray. I should send it to you
when we're done here, if youhaven't listened to it already. It's one
of my favorite episodes. It's alsoone of those scariest episodes I think she
has. Yeah, it's um,it's called like dog Man on Temple Road

(37:32):
or something like that in Ohio,and it's this guy tells the story of
when he was running track in highschool, so he would run at night
because it was cooler out and hegot paced out by a dog man.
So and it's it's it's a terrifyingstory. So I won't spoil it,
and I'll send it to you soyou could listen to it. But it's

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I don't know, it's I don'tknow what to think. And I also
do have a friend. I hadtold you when I was talking to you
about scheduling to talk to you thatI had a friend when we were much
younger, So like a little overfifteen years ago, he saw a dog
man across the road and it justkind of jumped down like one two strides

(38:17):
across the street and just gone.And he was driving on a back road
with his other buddy, so therewas two of them, and these guys
were like farmers, no bullshit,you know, they're not They're not going
to make this up. And lateron down the road he found out that
his dad had seen the exact samething. And like probably a couple years

(38:40):
later, he was watching TV,some paranormal show or something, and there
was a description of a hellhound onTV and he said, that's exactly what
I saw. Now. I mean, if you look up hellhound, I've
seen different descriptions of them, butwhat my friend said he saw it was

(39:00):
like I think brown hair. Itwas very skinny, um is on two
legs and kind of like a greyhoundlooking thing. But scared the absolute shit
out of him. And he toldme that he slept with the gun next
to his bed ever since he sawthat, and that's been years ago.

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And he also he does farm workout in the fields, so and he
they work well into the night sometimes, so he tells me that he lights
that tractor up with every possible lightthat is on that front, back sideways
everything, and he said he's he'sreally scared. Sometimes at night he's afraid
something's going to come out again.So I mean that really, and he

(39:44):
doesn't get scared of much. He'sjust he could care less about some stuff.
But that really impacted him. Butyou know, also a a hellhound.
Generally, from what I know inmy research and from speaking to people
that have seen them, and generallythey've they've seen them down in the Southern
States now Texas and New Mexico andwhatnot. They're generally on four feet.

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Dogman is generally on two feet.I don't know why they prefer bipedal,
but generally that's that's what they doprefer. It's you know, he's been
out there. Dog Man's has beenout there since the well white men in
the United States has reported it sincethe late seventeen hundreds. Loggers have reported

(40:29):
it. They had the siege ofLockett Ranch in um Taylor, Mississippi in
nineteen forty eight. It was ayear long siege and the Chicksaw Indians had
a burial ground in this area wherethis man had bought a lot of land
and he had built a one ofthose real type of log cabins, you

(40:54):
know, with the big thick logsand everything, and he moved his family
there and they were being attacked bydogmen over a period of one year.
So it's like it hasn't the phenomenonof dogman hasn't just occurred in the last
five or six years. It's beenout there. The Native American Indians know

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all about them, yet they willnot speak with us about them for many
reasons, because number one, it'sbad luck and you're going to bring down
these dogmen upon them, you know, bring down evil spirits. Number Two,
where white we're not Native Americans,they really don't want to speak to
us about it. They feel like, you know, we're encroaching on their

(41:37):
religion, on their life. Also, it's been known that dogmen have been
protectors of Native American burial grounds.And I'll have to bear that one out
because back in September thirteenth, twentythirteen, where I had my encounter,
I was in the Watchung Reservation areain New Jersey, trying to cut across

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the Watchung Reservation and get home quickerthat on that wonderful night, and I
find out six months later that there'sactually a Lenape Indian burial ground up there
in that area. Now Watchung Reservationis used by thousands and thousands of people

(42:21):
with their families all the time.There's a big oval right at the top
of the mountain over there, andpeople have barbecues there, They have swing
sets over there. They you know, they played baseball over there. There's
a large museum, wildlife museum inthe area. There are trails. As
a matter of fact, I've walkedthose trails, oh god, I have

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to say at least two hundred timesever since I was younger, and you
know, throughout that whole area.And the best I've ever come across was
hearing a bear grunt and I gotout of there and seeing several large snakes
and uh actually first time ever seenmy first white snake, Lauren. This
thing was three inches around and aboutsix inches long. This thing was huge.

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I was walking along a trail.I just stopped. That was it,
ad you go your way, I'mwaiting, you know, and it
just went its way. But that'sthe area I had it in, and
there just happened to be a LemipeIndian burial ground up there. So it's
it's very odd and you know tome that they're in certain areas, and
I'm just wondering who, who orwhat may have been up there years before.

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It was like I said, thoselaggers back in the late seventeen hundreds,
they came across a dog man andone of the laggers actually shot it
with a rifle and it didn't doanything, didn't do a darn thing to
it. So, I mean itstarted way back then with with with US
reporting with you know, white Europeans, and has continued throughout to this very

(43:52):
day. What's the oldest case you'veever come across, you mean research wise
or yeah, yeah, well thatone I was just talking about in the
late seventeen hundreds fers up in u. I guess they're up in the Michigan
area. So that was that wasthe latest case, you know, way

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back when. Um there's been othercases in the eighteen hundreds and throughout almost
every state. Uh. Down inLouisiana you have the rugaru, you know,
the French call it the lah ugaruor the la garu. And it's
not just a werewolf, it's it'sa very large bipedal wolf. I mean,
anytime you're tipping seven feet tall,I think you're going out of the

(44:37):
realm of a werewolf, because awerewolf is generally a human turning into a
wolf. Now, you might pickup, you know, a couple inches
here or there if you're a sixfoot man, but you sure is not
going to go seven seven and ahalf feet. These things are in a
wolf like form all the time.A werewolf is supposed to change from a

(45:00):
human into a werewolf and then backagain. I kinda, like I said,
I try to prove or disprove,and I kind of find that hard
to believe, because, like athe only thing that really goes from one
thing into another thing is like thosethe larva that change into a butterfly.

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You know, That's what I wasthinking as soon as he started saying that,
Yeah, you see it changed backfrom a butterfly into that larva again,
or you know, so it's like, how is this all happening here?
How does it? You know?Just know, it blows my mind.
I mean, it's the same thingwith skin walkers, the same way.
I just don't I mean, Iguess I believe it, but it's

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just I just blows your mind.You know. I have a friend of
mine who's part of an adp now, but back then when we were talking,
he was a videotaping and mind you, he lives in southwest Texas area.
He was in a mountainous area overthere and he was videotaping the area

(46:06):
for just for himself because he sawsome really nasty looking vultures out there and
stuff and birds. And he wastaping the area and he saw a creature
on four feet go near a boulderand stop and actually turn and look at
him. Now, he was abouttwo hundred feet away, and he was

(46:29):
in his vehicle and he's videotaping thisthing, and he's zooming in as best
as he can. And this creaturethat best he could describe as it looks
like it looked like a coyote.It went behind a boulder and then another
rock, and then when it finallyappeared, it appeared on two feet like

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it was a human, and thenwent up a little valley, a little
canyon that was up where he wasfilming, and disappeared. And he says,
you know, that's the strangest thingI ever seen in my life.
Now I'm thinking that maybe he didsee a skin walker. Now, remember,
just different types of skin walkers outthere. There's the kind that will
change into an animal and you know, change back into a human and then

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maybe a different type of an animal, and generally it's a Native American medicine
man. And then there's the NativeAmerican medicine man that will wear like the
pelt, yeah, the skin orthe pelt of a of a wolf or
a coyote, plus the head dressingand everything, and he doesn't change.
He's just he just has his mysticaltype of powers. But he still stays

(47:37):
in a human form with that pelton him, and he looks awfully menacing.
Let's put it that way. Itlooks awfully menacing. So when they
okay, let me ask you this, because I've never heard of that type
where they just put that stuff on. And then what kind of I mean
just putting that on. I'm surethey do some kind of like ritual or
something. What does that? Whatkind of powers as that give them?

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Suppose it gives them whatever dark powersthat it wants to use, whatever dark
magic it wants to use to cursesomebody. And it brings to mind a
story of these people that were inArizona and they were cursed by a medicine
man dressed exactly the way I wasjust telling you, and they did something

(48:22):
to offend him, and he cursedthem. And two days later, the
husband's calling the doctor, the localdoctor, to get over here quick because
his wife just took sick. Here'sa woman that never was sick a day
in her life, and damn shewas sick. The doctor got there and
by the time the doctor walked intothe door, she was dead. And

(48:43):
oh my gosh, just moved histwo children. He had two young children
and himself and they moved out ofthere right away. Because the doctor was
explaining to him after he told thedoctor what happened, and he says,
listen, we came across this guyin town. We didn't mean to offend
him, you know, but Ihit my horn and my and my and
my wife was going watch out,you're gonna get run over. And he

(49:05):
took offense, evidently, and itwas a Native American, and I guess
it was this medicine man. Boy, I'm sure gonna make sure that my
road rage day is under control fromnow on, or don't don't hit the
horn. But what happens, Imean, I guess she spoke, she
said something, and they startled theguy. And I mean he he was

(49:27):
walking against the light, let's putit that way. And you know,
but the wife said something out thewinner shed guy, we could have hit
you, and he looked right ather, dead in the eyes, you
know, and I guess he musthave done something because she was dead.
The doctor walked in the door andhe goes, doc, you're too late.
And he tried to help her.Nothing nothing did the defibrillator on her,

(49:50):
on her chest and everything. Ihit her up with adrenaline. Nothing.
She was not brought back to light. Lare. I'm talking about a
thirty five year old woman here,Oh my gosh, in her life and
she died. I'm thirty four.That's one year older than me. That's
that's like, just don't go outto the Southwest in the next couple of
years, you know. It justit depends. It depends on if you

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believe about in it. You know. It's just like it's just like when
you're down in Louisiana, they havetheir rituals down there and they could make
a life size type of effigy ofyou and starts sticking pins in it.
And you know, if you believeit in enough it'll affect you. It
does affect things. I mean,I I believe in that kind of stuff,

(50:37):
Like say, you know, ifsomebody does that to you and you
don't believe in it, I thinkit's still gonna affect you no matter what.
I mean. That stuffs that stuffspowerful. I've witnessed firsthand, like
not any like dark magic. Butjust recently I went away. I was
supposed to be on a trip andstay overnight at the Shanley Hotel, but

(50:59):
I couldn't even stay there because thatplace was so so heavy and so dark.
I went and got it Airbnb.I left because I couldn't do it.
All right, So that's all thetime we have for this episode,
and the other half will be postednext week. So if you made it
this far, thanks for listening,take care, and see you later.