025. TABLES HAVE TURNED [VIDEO]

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(00:10):
Hey guys, I'm back. This is so weird.
I'm taking over the podcast today.
It's the Tanya Chaya crew table edition slash Ricki Lake vibe.
Oh, are we ready? I'm I'm, I'm like sure, we're
going to do this. I have to be ready.
I'm not ready but. How are you feeling?
Well, I asked you to be on this,and then you're like, if I'm

(00:30):
coming on, we're not having questions.
And I was like, that's fine. We can just have a conversation.
Yeah. I just wanted to have a combo,
my old friend, my old pal, but Ialso want people to get to know
you because you're a very like soft.
There are a lot of you're like an onion, a lot of layers, the.
Fuck are you? Are you quitting Shrek?
Yeah, I am, but I want people toget to know all the layers.

(00:53):
And I just thought that if you're going to have me on,
yeah, I'd love to be on, but I also wanted to shine light on
you and so. Weird.
Yeah so thanks for having me as your not your Co host because
this is my show today. But can I ask you some questions
because I prepared. You can OK, but can we not make
this an interview, OK. Yeah, I'll just look at them for

(01:16):
like, you know. Yeah, I have some questions for
you too, all right. And to be fair, we did ask our
following. We did ask them for some
questions and we got some prettyjuicy questions.
And some non juicy questions, some weird questions.
Some weird questions, but I'm excited to get into it, George.
All right, George, John, welcometo the crew table.

(01:39):
Thanks mate. You are a an amazing
photographer and also an amazingfriend of mine.
One of the most sought after photographers in the industry In
the wedding industry. The wedding space.
Relax, yeah? Why?
Relax. It's true, though.
OK, Yeah, you don't. You can take your credit.

(01:59):
It's true. As as a peer and as another
wedding supplier, I can safely say that most of my brides come
in and go. I really want George John for my
wedding. Or just just yesterday I had one
of my brides say I really wish Ibooked George John.
Why didn't? She just.
You weren't available. I'm just kidding.
She really wanted you, but you weren't.

(02:20):
For me, I'm just going to try tojoke around the whole.
Time. But you have been featured in
Harper's Bazaar, in Vogue. In Vogue, yeah, you've been
featured by the Wed, which is also very big and you have just
been absolutely smashing it since the beginning.
I've watched your journey myselfand you have really come such a

(02:42):
long way and you've you've changed the space of photography
as well. I think shut up, but you have.
OK, just take a. Compliment.
It's very hard. It's just, it's I.
I just realised how awkward thisis for my guests when I talk
about them. See, it's like, yeah, take the
compliment and it's look, I mean, there are so many.
Incredible photographers in our industry, especially in Sydney,

(03:05):
and you're amongst them. And so, and you've also killed
it with this podcast, which I amnow the host of.
So watch out, watch out. Crew table.
Yeah, Co host. I'm gonna add Co host to my bio.
Yeah, yeah. Sure, job description.
Don't invoice me after this. You're not getting paid for
this, do you? Get paid for crew table.
Am I really gonna say right now?I don't know.

(03:25):
I'm interested to know. Yeah.
Oh, you do? Yeah.
So does that mean that I get royalties off this episode?
No, OK. Yeah, OK.
Does Daniel get paid for crew table?
Absolutely. So he gets royalties but I
don't. OK.
He's the producer. Oh OK, fair.
Anyway guys, if you say that I create my own podcast after

(03:45):
this. And she's still Daniel.
And she's. Still Daniel and it might be
called the MUA table but. Oh, you just you just released a
really good name. The MUA table.
Yeah, you should sign up for an I think.
Doesn't actually exist, but. The first thing I did when I
started Crew Table, like before I even told anyone it was just
me and Alexia's ID and I forget what a holiday house up the

(04:07):
coast. Yeah, is I actually bought the
IP. What does that mean?
I own the name crew table. Like as in.
I trademarked it. Yeah.
Oh. OK, that's cool.
So so no one can use so so if someone wanted to start a
fashion label called crew table.Well, you have to choose your
subcategories. Like I put my categories
photography, wedding. Yeah, podcast entertainment.

(04:29):
Does that last a long time? Yeah, you just renew when you
need to. How long did you how long did
you tour for? For life if you're listening to.
It for life. OK, How long do you reckon
you'll do this for? I will do it until I just feel
like I just don't want to do it anymore.
What made you? This is what made you do crew
table in the podcast is is something that I I love a lot

(04:50):
and it's it's it's brought out alot in me.
It's changed a lot about me in the sense of like, I've learned
a lot of skills along the way that I never really anticipated
in my mind. But it's something that isn't
what I was born to do and what I'm sort to do.
I do feel like photography is mynumber one and my only kind of

(05:10):
drive in life and it's my passion.
It's what I'm going to. Do than CJ, Andrea and Alexia
of. Course I'm talking work.
OK. I just want to make sure that we
put that out there. But it's it's never something
that I'm going to be upset if itcomes or it goes.
The the podcast we're talking about.
Absolutely, yeah. If I feel like it's ever too
much or it's taking over weddings or it's, you know, I'm

(05:30):
not having enough time for my family or brides, it'll be like
that. I will have no hesitation.
OK. Do you ever feel like it has
affected your work? Like has it impacted have it
because I mean. Listen, let me start by saying
I'm going to be very honest thiswhole episode, and I I mean it
from my heart. I'm just going to say what I
want. If you're going to ask me
questions, I'm going to be very open and honest.

(05:51):
Yeah. When it comes to that particular
kind of topic, I'm very fortunate.
I have Daniel and I have Alexia.So the reality is like Daniel's
in this room probably never praising enough than what I
should. But you know, he pretty much
does 80% of it. He will set up the light, He
does the audio. He goes through everything.
He curates it, he populates it, He does all of that.

(06:12):
Then Alexia will go back, and then she'll watch the episode,
she'll pick the snippets, communicate that with Daniel,
and then that just gets sent to me.
So in reality, all I'm doing is taking one hour of my life to
have a conversation with someone.
Yeah. And obviously, like, there's
questions and stuff, but a lot of the physical and the bulk and
the hard work has fallen on Daniel and Alexia.

(06:34):
And I'm grateful for that and I'm very fortunate and blessed
to have them. So most of the success actually,
I think should be credited to them.
Go, Daniel. Go, Alexia.
Daniel's in the room. We're going to give him a
little. We love, you know, like I'm not
sitting. I'm not sitting and editing this
like I am for the wedding. Yeah, OK.
So like when? You leave when you leave.
Like I'm like, bye. Yeah.

(06:55):
And I just wait for Alexi and Daniel to do their thing.
Do you edit all of your weddingsyourself?
All of them myself. That's crazy.
I don't want to get into that just yet, but I do want to ask
you. You mentioned that there's so
much work involved in the crew table.
Why? If you are so booked and busy,
which you are, let's be real, you're booked and busy all year,
years in advance. Why?

(07:16):
Why start a podcast? It came about like really,
really naturally. So, but I actually have time
stamps about this, 'cause I hatewhen people say like, oh, I've
been working on something for somany months and it just feels
like they're just saying it for like a kind of like, you know
when. People can I just think this.
Is 2 years in the 80s? I hate when.
People go, something is coming and then nothing comes.

(07:36):
Yeah, I I really hate so yeah. First, obviously Alexia and I
spoke about it and we both religiously listen to podcasts
on all categories. If we're going for a road trip
podcast, when we drive to Biren,even with kids headphones in
podcasts like you get over music.
Sometimes I love music, but likeyou just can't.
Even when I'm editing podcasts, I just love knowing I've always

(08:00):
had this yearn and I love like true stories.
When I'm watching a movie, I love a true story movie.
If I'm watching about something someone's life, I get very
intrigued. I think I have a strong
connection to people and who they are and where life took
them and what's happening in their life.
And, you know, I'm, I'm very fascinated by that, clearly,
because, you know, I'm a photographer and it's all about

(08:20):
documenting someone's life. That's true.
It's a story. Right.
So it, it feels, it feels all the same to me.
And then I spoke about it to Alexia, Long story short, and
then I spoke about it to Daniel and Daniel was like Daniel and
Alexia were harassing me for like 7 months.
Would you say seven months? It was like every time someone's
like. So when you're starting it, bro.
So when you're starting it, bro I.
Remember you spoke about this, Can I like?
There's just some idea. It was like nothing, no work put

(08:42):
into work, but it was like festering in my mind.
And then at one moment I was just like just ready, man, why
not like I'm not going to look back and Alexa goes, baby, if
you're not going to do it now, you're never going to do it.
Just do it. Nothing hurts.
And I've just evolved to be thatperson that realises who cares?
Just try it. You never want to look back in
life and just not start that business or not start something.

(09:06):
So then obviously like, you know, the works we need to the
works. I'm not going to bore about
there in actual building up of it, but then it just happened
naturally. And I know you mentioned that
you're wanting to, you wanted todo this because you love knowing
the stories and where people came from and like hearing their
stories, but is it limited to just the wedding industry or
have you branched? Out necessarily so like for me,

(09:27):
and it was when I first thought of it, I was like, let's talk
about the wedding industry because for me, the wedding
industry is a very polished, perfect industry.
Yeah. Instagram, even Tiktok,
everyone's like, oh, Tiktok's soraw bullshit.
It's so edited yeah. Like we posting the most curated
cup cut edits of like the highlights of a bridal morning
or like the highlights of a reception.

(09:48):
No one's showing the realness ofa wedding.
They're showing the realness of maybe the beauty world or
influencer life or your day to day motherhood or whatever it
may be on on Tiktok. But when it comes to wedding
Tiktok, it's still very curated,yeah.
I think I disagree in a sense because I I think yes, but I
think that social media is changing.
It's changing to be a little bitmore personal and open and up,

(10:10):
yeah, but it's for our industry.I still find it quite polished.
And when people don't want to bepolished, I'll I'll talk about
Instagram. When they don't want to be
polished and they're just like verbal diarrhoea on Stories,
it's very hard to watch. It's hard to Yeah, it is.
It's. When you're following someone on
socials, you're almost forced tosee their content even though

(10:30):
you're following them. Yeah.
But when it comes to a podcast, you're actually psychologically
enabling into this conversation.So you're choosing to have this,
Right. So I was like, we're not getting
a voice in the sense of, like, explaining who we are as people
and that we are real people because I feel like that's been

(10:51):
disconnected from us. Yeah.
The more I became friends with people in the industry, the more
I learned about people's storiesand actual personal struggles.
And I've got to know that. I'm so sorry I'm listening, but
you have a fluff in your head. Can I just take it out?
Yeah. Can you, gummy?
Yeah, it's just distracting me. And if I'm gonna sit here for
the next? Hour that's on that side.
You're the worst host. It's not gonna.
No ones gonna. See it all the lights and then

(11:12):
there's a fluff in I just I justlooking out for you, man.
I'm just looking out. But yeah, sorry, continue.
I did not like to. Cut yourself.
Anyway, really interrupted you. You were talking about social
media and how? Yeah.
So we don't like, we don't really see the real side of like
Tanya, we don't see the real side of Dodie, We don't see the
real life of Steven Khalil. We don't see the real side of
Leah. And like Melissa Sasseen sharing
the story with everyone and Joe from Calligraphy and Vogue Mary,

(11:34):
like all these people that I've had that have been vulnerable to
share something that people havelearnt from in life, they can't
do that on their page and nor should they.
I'm not saying that we should. I actually think we shouldn't.
No, it's cringe. It's also but.
It's like, I don't think it's just that.
I think that we use our social media as a port marketing tool.
It's also our portfolio. Yeah, you know, like I think of
it as a makeup artist back in the day, I'm talking like 20

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years ago, there was no social media.
People had books that they put out on the table and if you
wanted to book a makeup artist or a hairstylist, you had to
look at their book. It's the same thing.
Social media is just our portfolio.
And so we, I guess we put what we want on there.
And I think that blinds get blurred where because it's such
a personal interaction with our client.
Yeah, people almost feel like they know you because of what we

(12:18):
share. But we choose to share what we
share. Yeah.
And I think that there does haveto be an element of
professionalism because we have,yeah, we have a, it's a
business. You know, I, I think it is nice
when people share personal things and when they are
comfortable to do that. And that's their way of engaging
with their audience. But everyone is different.
Like I know for me I'm. I think it still needs to be
relatable. I think so too.

(12:38):
To like time of like when thingsare shared and why it's shared
like you have to ask them who, how, when, why.
I know that once I shared something and then you actually
said to me, what did you say to me that week?
You said something like, have you lost the plot?
Like are you OK? Because I did like a doremi, do
you know that? Yeah, you know, yeah, I remember
that story. You did like a TikTok trend on

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your Instagram story. And I was like, I was so.
Nervous that I was able to do itin one here.
Congrats. Get a personal page and post it.
Yeah, but. I didn't listen to my person I
know, but then that was the onlytime that I actually think I
ever posted something just so I.Don't.
And I have a personal page, I'lljust spam it and I'll just like
choose who I can accept, yeah, and just go crazy.
But yeah, I do agree, I think your business page, if you have
a business page, you should keepit clean, keep it professional.

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But at the same time, I do thinkthat we have such personal jobs
and it's important to interact with your audience, you know, in
a personal way. Because I know for me, when a
bride is looking to book me, I'mspending, I'm getting to her
house at like 4:00 in the morning and I'm spending, you
know, 6 to 10 hours, whatever itis with them on the day.

(13:45):
And it's such a people are literally in their pyjamas when
I show up on the wedding day. Yeah.
With no bras on. It's very casual.
It's very chill Details. We didn't even know.
I wish I could just show up to work like that, but I can't,
right? But anyway, But I feel like
that. Just past that point.
What is that supposed to mean? That's not even.

(14:06):
I just wanna roast you. No, this is not a roast.
We're not doing this. Again, sorry.
OK, so I. Will never come back on the crew
table whether you. You think it'll be a little Part
3? Like that's really Milky?
Yeah, OK. I will never have you on the
Ricky Lake Show, OK, but you cannot roast me today.
I'll. Ask fuck Ricky like this is so
weird. I'm here.
I'm here to roast you, mate. Alright?
This is not about me today. It's about you.
But what I wanna say is that I think it's such a personal job

(14:30):
for you. You're spending How many hours
do you spend with a client? Like minimum 12 hours on a
wedding day. That's a long time you really
get to know the day, right? So when people are looking to
book you in advance, like they're booking you 2 years out
from their wedding or whatever it is a year out, they're
looking at you as a person as well.
To say, am I going to Joe with this guy all day?
Is he going to absolutely drive me mental?

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Is he going to do my head in? Is he going to be really vibey?
Is he going to be helpful? Is he going to be what's your
energy like? So I think your energy has as a
person has to resonate on your social media because that's also
how you in a way so yourself online to show who you are.
Does it though? Or.
Should it be? Should it be something that
should be a testament to your act?

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That's what I'm saying. I agree.
How would I show as a creative or a business owner?
Hey guys I'm such a nice viby person.
Like it's just weed. I feel like you should be
working the hardest you possiblycould.
Absolutely. I agree.
And then? Just almost trust in the
universe and that like it'll come back to you if you are if
you are an honest, authentic business owner and you're going

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to provide a service or a good right and then that client is
happy, it will come back to tenfold.
Which I agree and word of mouth,word of mouth is the most
powerful way of I guess, yeah, advertising it is.
It's the service is the most important thing at the end of
the day. But I want to ask you, how do
you find, do you find it? It affects you as a photographer

(15:55):
when you've got other photographers or other
photographer photography companies or videographers that
have like I guess now content creation is a massive part of
you're. Great at this.
Thank you. Am I good?
That was, that was. Daniel, am I thank you.
How do you find has that affected your business and when
you're competing with other photographers who are very, you

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know, I guess showing themselvesBTS online, like I I can think
of a few that are very on the camera, very macked up very.
And it's great sells. It helps them grow their
business, especially because it's a younger generation.
Yeah, there it's, it's so it's like I said, social media is
evolving, we're evolving as people.

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But how do you find has that affected your business and.
Do you find that photographers or content creators?
Talking about yourself on socialmedia, you're saying that you
don't feel the need to put yourself on social media, right?
Like I definitely do, but I definitely like yeah, it's it's
there's no dedicated posts towards no.
Stories and do you feel like it's affected you at all or?
No, I think so. No, I feel like the way you come

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across to your clients and theirextended family and, and the
person you are in that room is more powerful than social media.
Social media for me is it's about Minecraft, right?
So when I'm posting imagery or am I posting something I, I
don't want? I I, I want my brides to
understand and know and grooms to understand and know that

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they're booking me because, you know, like, they get along and
stuff like that. But to me, that's what a first
consultation or a conversation'sabout.
OK, fair. That's where they should
understand that, not from socialmedia.
Yeah. Because even someone who can
show that side can also fake that side.
That's true. To be very honest, I told you I
was going to be very honest. Here I like that's true I.
Like so if you ever like, and I say to all my couples who have
never booked, it's just a straight up line do.

(17:46):
You always do consultations. Well, it just depends on the
couple, right? Absolutely.
Like we don't charge for consultations.
It's an open book, Anyone and everyone's welcome.
We always have an open door policy.
But it's when I speak to a couple, I say it's your job to
also speak to other photographers and videographers
and make up and hair, like I always remind them, have that
conversation. Trust your instinct, trust

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you're smart, you have your own brain, your own heart, your own
personality. You know, some couples might be
for me, some couples might not be for me.
And that's very normal and natural.
How I perform on that day shouldbe what happens in the future
for my business. Does that make sense?
Yeah. It does.
And I, I resonate with that because someone actually asked
me this on AQ and a that I did acouple of days ago.

(18:30):
Funny enough that we're talking about it.
And somebody asked something along the lines of, you know,
you're not very, you are presentonline, but you're very
personal, something along the lines of that.
And I responded by saying that Ishare what I want to share, but
I also don't want people to bookme based on my personal life or
what I share online of mine. But also like, honestly, George,

(18:51):
my personal life, you know me, how boring am I?
Like I'm a homebody, you know, Ilike to just like my, I'm not
boring, but I have a very simplelife.
You do and. Yeah, you're very good.
Content and for me, I want people to book me because of my
craft and myself. You want that though, like I
would hope that my couples are booking me because they're going
to walk away with a beautiful gallery and images that they're

(19:13):
happy with from their wedding. You know what I mean?
Like footage that they're like, wow, this was like everything I
dreamed for and more. And I was just so happy with
everything and how bad I ran andwhere we went for photos or
whatnot. Agree.
I just hope that that would be the case.
And then everything else is a bonus, Yeah.
And that's what they're going toremember 10 years down the track
when all these social like this.You said something the other day

(19:34):
about 202 hundred years. What was that saying, 200?
Years to Tanya, I was reminding her.
I was like Tanya, you know that like in I don't know what we're
talking about. I always say random facts.
I don't like this. Literally but I get oh you sent
me random tik toks. Yeah, I was going to say I get
all my random quotes and facts from TikTok.
I'm not going to lie. But I was like, in 200 years
from now, we're actually all going to be gone.

(19:56):
Yeah. So like, not only are we going
to be gone, everyone we know will be gone.
We're not going to be here and no one's going to talk or know
anything about. Us.
That's so sad. It's sad, but it it should be
taken in the sense of like what you do today should matter for
your life and only for you. Don't care too much about
people's perceptions about your decision making or what you're

(20:16):
doing. Doesn't really rely on the
context of this because obviously like, you know, but
I'm just saying in 200 years, like it all doesn't matter.
Just live your life the way you want to live your life.
Do the business. Like start that business.
Don't worry. Start whatever you want to
start. Get on camera.
Don't get on camera. Yeah, in the famous place, be
who you are. It's not that deep.
I just think, yeah, I, I agree. And I think going back to what

(20:40):
you were saying about the clientand you know, I guess them on
the day and like that feeling that they get on the day, you
said that some of your clients you don't always align or maybe
some clients are for you, some clients are not for you.
You're. Just outing me right now.
How do you have a? Conversation.
No, you just said that. You said some clients are for
me, some clients are not. If they align with me.
If they don't. Know oh, OK, how do you, I guess

(21:02):
determine whether a client aligns with you or is for you or
isn't for you? It's not for me to decide, it's
for them to decide. Do you ever have a consultation
with a client and feel like maybe it's not aligned or maybe
you're like, oh, is this going to work on the day?
Because energy is big on the day.
And if they're if you're not gelling like it could be a bit.
I've learned that I can't alwaysjust trust my intuition in the

(21:27):
sense of sometimes I think that something will go wrong way,
Sometimes I think something willgo the right way and it'll prove
me wrong. I'm human, right?
So I've learned that I have to bite my tongue in some senses.
Can you give us an example? I think like, for instance,
like, you know, I'm like, oh, this is going to be really hard
because, like, this is like, I'mtalking Youngs ago.

(21:48):
This is a lesson I've learned. Not recently.
It's a lesson I learned when I was starting out in weddings,
really. I used to freak out a lot about
rain, for instance. Yeah.
And every part of my being wouldbe like, this is going to fuck
up. Like this is not going to go
well and I'd go straight to likethe worst case scenario problem
and you know, I'd set myself up for roadblocks and end up being

(22:08):
really beautiful or end up not raining so hard at that time or
it end up, I've learnt recently to just like not put too much
stress on things that haven't happened.
OK, Save the stress for when it actually does happen.
Plan and like you know, obviously problem solving.
But what's your plan in that situation?
Like what? What shifted?
What changed? What shifted was I wouldn't like

(22:29):
I would do all the pre work for like AB and T whether with it's
with the client or have that backup within myself because
sometimes are we talking about weather, right?
Now, yeah, like weather, like what if, what do you do?
I want to know what has shifted in the sense that you said that
you used to stress about rain. Right now you just you're kind
of I see you on the job. You're very like, it's going to

(22:50):
be fine if this if it rains, we can go here.
We could we could do this or don't buy your dress.
It's fine. I've seen you.
So like literally like you've got thread.
Yeah. So like that's.
Exactly, that's a good example. So in the past if I saw a
bride's dress RIP I used to likeI'm talking like 6-7 years ago
you would freak out or be like shit and my mind would go to all
the worst case scenarios. She's going to hate her photos
now every RIP. Will I be able to edit it?

(23:12):
Can I edit it? How am I going to edit it?
And then in my mind, I'm going through like all the Photoshop
tools and techniques that I know.
And I'm like, yeah, I can do that.
No, no, but that's not going to work.
And oh shit, the lights putting this way, yadda yadda, yadda.
Yeah, going in a tangent. But now it's more just like,
deal with it as it comes. So then quickly move on and
resolve it and not stress too much in the moment because the
more you stress in the moment, the more roadblocks mentally

(23:34):
have and it stops the process ofcreativity and flow.
It does, I agree. Right.
So and the beauty in what we do and I'm sure a lot of
photographers and videographers resonate with this especially is
that flow in a day and natural like kind of runnings of the day
actually create the most beautiful weddings.
It's nothing to do with what's presented to us in terms of like

(23:55):
florals, dress, what the bride looks like, what the groom looks
like, what they don't look like,what nationality I agree it's
all about. Energy.
How relaxed and their energy is.I agree.
I've worked on some weddings that are like really big and
when I say big, like big social media weddings with like, you
know, big budgets and sometimes those weddings don't.

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The energy is not always the same.
It's like there's a bit of chaosand you know, no matter how much
we come in in the morning, we try and calm it down, calm the
energy for me, energy is massive.
So if I get into a job and I feel the energy's a bit funny,
I'll actually try and shift thatenergy so that one, I can work
and provide my best service. Yeah.
But also what I'm trying to say is like I've worked on jobs

(24:36):
where I've like I said, high, big, high profile jobs, whatever
that actually like the energy just isn't there.
And then sometimes the maybe thephoto is like, they're nice, but
you know, that they could have, I've seen other weddings where
they've come out 10 times nicer.Yeah, because the bride looks
stressed in every photo. Or, you know, there's like, I

(24:57):
don't know, there's like just twice in the background or
things. Like try to like let everything
go and what will be is what willbe.
But it's also I understand it ishard for couples to get there.
How do you it's? Not an easy ask.
How do you find, well, how do you manage that on the day if
you go into a job and a bride isreally stressed?
Yeah, right. That's reality.

(25:17):
Because sometimes you can. But everyone's human and they
have their own personalities. They have their own ways to kind
of absorb information, and they have their own kind of defence
mechanisms as well. Right.
You're dealing with real life humans who have had a whole
life's journey before you even met them.
So we feel like we know them because we've been working with
them for a year. Yeah.
But really, do we? Yeah.
Have we been getting them? And sometimes we have, Like, you

(25:39):
just don't know. I feel like you have to be a
really, really good read of people, right?
So like, I really understand like sometimes the way a bride
looks when you show off her and you're like, she likes it, she
doesn't like it. I'm like.
Yeah, you can. You can tell.
You can tell. Yeah, I'll, I'll do that to her.
Like do you like your make up? And if there's something I'm
like you can tell me what is it?I know, yeah.
Some brides you can. It works if you pull them aside

(26:01):
and like, hey, you look stiff, you're stressed, I can tell
you're anxious, you're emotional.
Shake it off. Trust me, you're going to regret
this. Some brides that will work.
Some brides. Sometimes that stresses them out
even. More some some brides won't.
Yeah, right. Yeah, some brides will be like,
I am stressed and we're like freaking out even more.
OK, so I guess it's just like reading the room, I would say.

(26:23):
Speaking about reading the room,I want to talk to you about
she's like what is this? Thanks.
I want to talk to you about whenyou're on a job and maybe you're
working with suppliers who aren't reading the room.
And I know because I've been on jobs with you before.
I mean, we worked on a wedding recently and there was a lot of

(26:44):
people in the room. A lot of cooks in the kitchen
situation. It was one of the IT was one of
those where I wanted to leave the room, but I didn't because I
didn't give too much away. I get.
What you're saying, but yeah. How do you manage, I guess when
someone isn't reading the room and maybe they're, it could even
be a bridesmaid, it could be, itcould be anyone in the family,
it could be a stressed out mum, it could be anyone.
How do you manage the energy in the room when you know that

(27:08):
you're doing everything you can as a photographer?
But the people, maybe the peoplethat are hired even on the job,
other people are not, I guess, doing their part.
So you know what I'm going to say if you're working with, and
I say this because I've worked with you a lot and we've been on
jobs together and you and I knoweach other so well.

(27:28):
Like, let's be real, I can you can give me a look and I know,
OK, that's my cue to get out of the room.
Or I know that's my cue to put my light down and not take
content in that moment. Yeah.
So we're very good at reading each other.
How do you manage, I guess, whenyou're working with other
suppliers? Because as a photographer who
doesn't have a videographer working alongside him as a part
of your package or your George John videography, there's no

(27:49):
such thing yet. Is that is that coming or?
Can we just continue the question?
How do you manage working with other personalities who I guess
are creatives as well and have avision, but maybe their vision
isn't aligned with you? And how do you manage like I
guess working with them and not wasting time on the day and not
maybe capturing the same shot twice.

(28:10):
For example, videographer, you might capture the photo, the
image and I find that usually I'm correct me if I'm wrong.
Does photographer usually guide I guess or lead on the day and
videographers? I don't know, Daniel, would you
what would you say? Because it's like a, it's like a
weird thing to say. Generally they say photo leads
and video follows because video is supposed to be natural and

(28:30):
natural candid BTS flow. So like we kind of like run it.
But you know, personality wise, I have some videographers that
prefer that to really as a photographer, talk about myself.
I won't speak across everyone. I will.
I will change the flow dependingon my videographer, which is
also a good point. Yeah, you've got.
And that's why you've got to marry up really well, OK.
Some videographers like to take the lead, OK.

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And it can either be a great thing or.
Do you mind that? I don't mind that if he also
aligns with. What if he doesn't align?
Like for instance, I will, I will say it if if a videographer
wants a bride to spend an hour and a half in a robe, that's a
struggle. For me, Oh my goodness, I.
Hate that. I hate it.
I'm not going to lie. Yeah.
And I'll even, I'll tell the bride we're wasting a lot of
time here because we've got to get you in your dress.

(29:14):
And. And that is the moment.
That's right. Yeah.
Your, your, your sleep isn't it's.
I get it. It's important and it's nicer to
get that journey. But you can't milk things right?
You can't spend an hour. Please don't spend an hour on.
Ropes you can't milk anymore brides.
It's not about that anymore. Well, my couples and I know, I
know I can say 90% of my brides appreciate this when I do say
and they, they, they kind of prefer it is we don't want to

(29:36):
spend 9 hours of a perfume shot or putting the ring on and
putting the ring off and puttingthe ring on and do your earring
and don't do your earring. Can you put your shoe could.
You find that that actually drains the bride as.
Well, naturally, yeah, but do you feel?
Like that drains the bride before she's even gotten in her
dress. It drains the bride.
It makes it too Posey. Yeah, it's stiff.
There's no there's no flow for like candid imagery also sucks

(29:57):
for video and like I'm I'm I'm very conscious about, you know,
a lot of these videographers aremy friends and you know what
they produce effects their business, which has a greater
big impact, right. Yeah.
So it's like going back to that it just.
Would you vocalise it? I vocalise it, but at some
stages there's some people in the room where it's like you

(30:20):
just, they just won't listen to you.
OK, what if the bride turns around and said doesn't like her
photos because of that? Maybe because or have you ever
had that happen where a bride, Tony.
I just don't know what you're talking about.
Don't experience it a lot. Oh, that's good.
I'm just joking. Now, have you ever had a bride
say she doesn't like her photos?Not necessarily.
Not that I can remember. That's good.

(30:40):
Yeah, that's pretty. But.
I'm pretty, I'm, I'm pretty openwith communication with bride
now. Take him on the journey.
Yeah, if you're one of my brides, you kind of understand
it, OK? I've, I've witnessed you, I
mean, obviously I work alongsideyou and.
It's a lot of talk that happens.It's a lot of like, do you want
this more Moody? Yeah.
Do you like this? I'm shooting.
Even in morning prep. I'll talk to my bride.
Yeah. I won't just, like, do my own

(31:01):
thing. And just, like, it's my way or
the highway. It's her wedding.
You kind of walk in. I find that you walk in almost
like you're a guest, like you'rejust very cash, very chill or.
You're walking into their home, right?
You gotta be a part of their family.
And I, I think that for me, I can see the bride is instantly
comfortable when you walk into the home because she, I guess,
yeah, you just, you speak to herlike she's just your friend and.

(31:24):
I love my brides. They are.
They become like your friends, hey?
I actually love them. I feel like I'm a part of.
I always say this when I'm on a job.
Someone asked me this the other day.
Does it get less personal? No, because I'm actually hanging
out with a bunch of girls every single week.
You mean it's fun? We're just talking shit.
All my couples, they literally will get like my personal
number. Yeah, they'll text me when they
want whatever they need. Forget your brats.

(31:46):
You're literally you're a part of the family.
Do. You remember your first ever
wedding. Yeah, on my own, like as.
On your own as George, of course, yeah.
But look, I mean, I did want to ask as well.
Just going back to that point. I know I'm dwelling a lot on the
last point. Like I said, there's a lot of
people in the room, content creators.

(32:07):
I want to get your take on what you're what you think of content
creators. Content creation is such a big
movement now. I love content creators.
I'll put that out there. I've always rallied for them.
I feel like I've been the the one photographer you have that
has rallied for you have. There's obviously situations
where like, I don't agree with everything.
Like. Like when you know there's too

(32:28):
many of them in the room that's separate companies.
It's really awkward. We shot a wedding recently with
those 3. Three content creators.
Yeah, it's. Three separate.
Companies. And then they all post.
Not one. Not. 2, not 3.
Yeah, and you just don't know who to tag.
It's not. I didn't care about social
media. No, no.
It's just stupid. But you don't know who.
It doesn't make sense. Yeah.
It's it's like who was the one that the bride chose based off
like what they kind of produce and then he was just there for

(32:51):
like kind of just jumping on, I feel.
Like suppliers now all have their own content creators,
which I guess they had. They have to showcase their
work. I think the theory around
content creators is being misdiluted.
We should kind of, I think my understanding, and I might be
totally wrong, is that having a content creator there capturing
stuff on the iPhone is to kind of take guests and family and

(33:12):
supplies and everyone away from their phone so they can be more
present because then the person has a Dropbox provided on that
day. So you're literally, if you want
that Instagram hype, you're getting it.
You're getting that instant satisfaction.
Yeah, right. Whereas I get it photo video, we
can like, you know, it's, it's ahot minute till you get it.
Not really these days, like we're pretty quick, but like

(33:32):
it's a hot minute per SE. But then it's like now it's
overdone because everyone wants to kind of jump on the cloud of
a big wedding or jump off the cloud of a big bride.
You you know, you have a bride that has like a big stylist and
big floral budget and a good reception and tonner receiving
clear league out Doria gown. And it's like, Oh my God.

(33:53):
So then everyone flocks their content creators because they
want that viral real, they want that viral to talk.
But then it's like, what does that actually do?
I always find that when a wedding is of that scale, yeah,
there are always so many contentcreators.
And I mean, for me, like, obviously for me, I'm not.
I don't call myself a content creator.
I think I'm great at content God.
I just. You're literally the best at

(34:14):
content. Stop that.
I'm not the best, but I actuallyam proud of my content and the
reason I care about showcasing my content and my brides do my
content personally is because that's how I showcase my work.
I'm not a photographer so I can't put my photos online.
I'm not a video. I can't wait.
I I'd have to wait for the professional photos to come out
and then if I even have access to that gallery to show my work.

(34:35):
It's too much. And then because like they
didn't want to. What are your?
Then we were like, all right, guys, sorry, we have to like
limit the room. What are your thoughts as a
photographer on content creatorswho are offering photography?
Because I know I've seen that lately where photography is now
a part of the package. Or like film photography I don't
want. To get myself in trouble and say
too much about it. No.

(34:55):
So we want to know. The people want to know.
You know, I haven't, I haven't dealt with that personally in my
business, but God forbid I do deal with that.
I'm gonna have a problem with that.
I'm not gonna lie. Only because only because it's
an offering that Ioffer. Daniel's telling me to fix my
hair. That's it.
You know Memento, let's cut it for 2 seconds.
You're. Not cutting it, just fix your
hair. No, I know that I'm, you know,

(35:15):
memento. Hold that thought.
Daniel, how's the hair? Are we back on?
We're back on. No.
OK, Yeah. It just makes it natural because
why am I sitting there going like this in the camera?
Because you're fixing your hair.So I've been doing this for two
seconds. Just cut that anyway.
Go OK, sorry you were you're cutting.
It we're not cutting it, I wouldhave a problem with it because

(35:36):
it's something that Ioffer rightFilm photography.
So you've never had it interferewith your?
No, but like I would just. Say, yeah, OK, fair, OK.
Because it's it's not fair on our business, right When we
actually offer that and you're offering something that ioffer.
It's like as a makeup artist, I don't know if there's a thing,
but would you not find it weird if someone can do touch ups for

(35:57):
you? Yeah, it is a bit weird, right?
Yeah, yeah. It's just not.
It's but that happens. I know that sometimes the brides
will say Oh no, I don't need touch ups and they have a family
member who. OK, but like, yeah, but.
It's not ideal because I. Don't talking about like a like
a direct professional like that can be booked.
Yeah, I I think it's for me. I'm not a photographer, but I'll
give my opinion on it. I don't think it's right

(36:19):
personally when content creatorsoffer photography because you've
worked so hard to own your spot in just.
Become a photographer. And to, yeah, but you've also,
yeah, you've done all the hard yards.
Don't don't like bleed it into like I'm doing behind the scenes
and then offering a final finishpolished.
Yeah. Because then it's like a
juxtaposition and it's almost not true.
Yeah. So it's either do one or do the

(36:41):
other. Become the photographer and no
one's stopping you. It's.
Yeah, that's right. It's never enough of us, right?
That's right. We're in Sydney.
Yeah. It's too many weddings.
Yeah. So just become one.
Or just do BTS. Yeah, that's my opinion.
Be a content creator. Yeah.
Yeah. OK, lovely.
Moving on to the next segment of.
It's so. Funny, I know.

(37:01):
Does it feel weird? Now I'm used to it.
I'm. Fine.
Yeah, I feel like I'm, I feel like we're doing great.
I think you're flowing really well.
Thank you. Yeah, I want to.
I actually. Let's get into it.
Yeah, let's get into the punchy stuff.
I want to get more deep, more personal.
I want people to get to know George Murad, not George John
and. Who knows my last name?
Thanks, Phil. George Murad.

(37:22):
Yeah. I feel like I know you so
actually preparing. I didn't really prepare much for
the podcast. I'm not gonna lie.
I was at work this hard worker. Like, I just referred to all of
our friends to, like, help me out with questions.
But I feel like maybe because wespeak so often, I know you so
well. Do you speak?
Often. George.

(37:44):
She was over for dinner last. Night.
Like it's too much. It's too much.
I need a break. Yeah.
I'm seeing you on Sunday. Yeah, but I really think that
the people would love to get to know you.
Sure. You are a father of two.
Probably my. Babies.
Yeah, they're your. They're your Literally your life
and joy. Like I was like crying.
Don't cry. Don't talk about.
Them you cry on every podcast. Yeah, I know, but they're my

(38:06):
babies. Yeah, that's fair.
You cry to Andrea's christening and I would never forget.
Yeah, you baw your eyes out. You couldn't even get through
your speeches. The cutest thing ever.
But you are husband, not only a photographer or husband to
Alexia, who's MVP she's. Favourite role in life?
Literally like she is the company, She I am the company,

(38:26):
Alexia is the company, she is George John Photography.
Because actually, yeah, technically, on paper is.
Not only. Like, you know, she's like
everything. She's admin.
She's yeah. Like she does it all.
She's she's your admin. She edits.
Doesn't she edit as well? She.
Collates. Yeah, she collates.
She does both collating of the weddings and the podcast.
She's admin. She's accountant.

(38:47):
Mum, she's mum. Full time mum.
She's life coach. She's life coach when you're
having a mental breakdown, but how do you find balancing
weekend work and being out for so long all day with.
Having a family, working from home, but obviously I've found
very like Alexi and I have very,very good communication.

(39:11):
I'll I'll give it to us. I'm not going to.
I don't want to put too much like, fluff around fluff.
Around, yeah. But since like days off, we're
very open with each other. Like we don't, we vocalise
everything. That I know.
I feel, I know. Yeah.
So if I'm feeling stressed, I'm like, I'm stressed.
I won't hold her back. I won't let her guess what I'm
feeling and vice versa with her.And I think that's been the

(39:31):
biggest key of success, yes. Right.
And you're really great. Can I just say you're really
great at validating one another.So if you ever need validation,
she will stop validate, give youyour time and then.
And I can go straight. Yeah, and then she gives you
that tough look. Get the fuck out.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but we learned that like
to I need to work in close proximity so that I can
physically get these pockets of moments with my kids and my

(39:52):
wife. But then also have we talk
about, you know, I'm like, OK babe, tomorrow is like a post
production day and with the studio from 7:30 in the morning.
Or can you just for the people who don't know what is post
production day, what is that editing?
OK, I knew that, but just in case.
Yeah, yeah, anyways. So you spent.
So like, let's say I have a postproduction day, right?

(40:13):
I had one on Tuesday, 7:30 in the morning to 7:30 at night.
I'm in the studio, my friend's pretty much on silent or do not
disturb. And it's like, call me if
there's an emergency to Alexia. Yeah.
OK, we we don't even need to talk about it anymore.
She knows. It's like if I get a call from
her, it's like what's wrong? So we have like that's, that's
our balance, I guess you can sayin the small little ways.
But essentially like in terms ofthe whole working on the weekend

(40:36):
thing, it does. It's never really affected us or
affected me personally. I think about people who go to
the city Monday to Friday, catcha train, go to work, come back
home at six and they do that forfive days in a week and then
they get 2 days off with their family.
I work 3-3 days a week away frommy family, but then four to five
with them. Yeah.

(40:56):
So if anything, I'm actually. You're very, you're very lucky.
Yeah, you're very lucky. You're right.
There are. But I don't know if I'm just
diluting myself to feel like finding the positive to like
make it seem all better. But I feel content.
Obviously, if it was like an ideal world and I was like Jeff
Bezos and had his bank account, I'd love to spend every second
and every minute of my day with my wife and my kids and be on a,

(41:17):
you know, on a farm with a couple of horses and do nothing.
But that's not life and that's not reality.
I'm very much aware that I need to work very hard.
I have, like, people that depends on me.
High, right? Babies that depend on me.
That's right. Their whole life is on us.
Yeah, right. Their whole future depends on
us. And I mean, it's not like I'm
trying to. We're not trying to say here
that we have the heart. I just want to point this out so

(41:38):
we don't get cancelled. We're not neurosurgery.
We are not doctors, we are not nurses.
We do not have the hardest jobs.We are not complaining.
We are very blessed and very lucky.
We have. We work in, we work creative
jobs that allow us to just do what we love.
So we're very blessed. But there are days where it can
I guess. Get really tough.
Get tough and you know, you're taking on a lot of energy on

(41:59):
someone's wedding day. How do you process that when you
come home after all, you know, say it's Sunday night, I'm going
to paint a picture. It's Sunday night.
Alexia's been with the kids all weekend.
You've been working a three day weekend, a three day wedding, A3
free wedding weekend. How do you process your, I
guess, your thoughts, your feelings?

(42:21):
Alexia just wants to chat, she wants to catch up and you're
just like mentally trained. It's not that.
Serious struggle to switch. OK, because for me, I find that
I'm I my social battery is I'm very like I'm very on with my
clients and I'm very in the I'm very there with them.
But I find that because my job is so chatty, when I get home I
just need like an hour to like decompress.

(42:43):
I just must be a chatter, no? You're a chatterbox, I mean, and
hence why you have a podcast. No, I don't.
I don't need too much of A decompress, That's good.
The only thing that's tough withour work is that because we're
booked so far in advance, that'shard.
Holidays, yeah. Not even just just in general,
like, just like, just like you're, you know, you have to be
somewhere for July. Yeah, yeah.
Do you know what I mean? Like, I've got 2027 bookings.

(43:05):
So I'm like, yeah, I know that. Like that's what I'm going to be
doing. Wait.
I just realised what you said. You said you're taking bookings
for 2027. Yeah, really.
Bookings booked in. So it's like, I already know
what I'm doing on that Saturday in March, you know what I mean?
Like, does that scare you, Dalton?
Now Jones Bay War does. That not scare.
You yeah, it's tough, right? It's I don't think about it too
much because just like what's the point of thinking about it

(43:26):
and stressing like I said, I've learned to let go and just go
with it. But the the real tough thing
about the job is, and I know youknow this because we've gone
through it both personally, it'slike when something happens in
your personal life and you just have to keep moving forward.
That happened to you last weekend.
That happened to you as well? That happened to me last
weekend. Yeah, but it happened to you.
I remember you and you told me. That's what's tough, Like

(43:47):
actually going through real lifesituations.
Yeah. I didn't care about talking
about it. Do you want to talk about your
situation? Yeah, I'll talk about it.
So you go first. Last weekend on, it was Saturday
morning. I had a wedding on, obviously,
and then woke up getting ready. And I don't know if you feel
this way, but when you get readyfor the morning of a wedding, it

(44:08):
kind of feels like a ticking time bomb to leave the house.
Like you say that you need to hypothetically finally leave the
house at 9. Yeah.
Yeah, you're planning. I'm like, I need this one, my
coffee, I need this one. You can't.
Like, just like get ready and like, you know, it's kind of
like, no, no, I need to be out of the door by 9.
You know what I mean? For me, it's like 5.
Yeah. OK.
All right. Just want to flex on that.
Yeah, flex away. Yeah.

(44:29):
And realise that my car got broken into.
As you were headed to a job, yourealise that your car got
broken. So.
Overnight someone came and just they went through the whole
street. Obviously I know now by a
footage, yeah, but someone was going like literally house to
house and those two over. Did they take anything valuable
that you might have needed on the job?
Thankfully no, but. Do you?

(44:50):
I mean, I don't know if you would.
Share this stuff. Do you want to leave?
Yeah. Do you leave your stuff?
No. OK, that's good.
But it's, you know, they, they, they took like personal,
personal, valuable stuff. Yeah, which sucks.
But it's like, you know, now in hindsight, I realised it's not
the end of the world. And, you know, it doesn't
matter. No one was hurt.
No one's scared. Like, you know, my kids don't

(45:11):
know, like they didn't get upsetabout it.
It's. So common now, cars getting
broken. Yeah, but like, you know, it's
obviously a violation of personal space, like, and you
watch it on CCTV footage and you're like, this is so fucking
disgusting. Like people sat in my car.
What are you talking about? I just wanted to like, like I
was gagging driving my car like this is really weird.
I. Remember you calling me and

(45:32):
you're like, I think I want to go get a car wash, but I don't
have time. I don't have time really.
I'm like, I was just like, all Ican think about is like, what do
I do now? And then Alexia was with me and
she's like, babe, you have to forget it.
And you. Just you.
Have to go and not to not to downplay what happened to you,
but there are obviously people like people's homes get broken
into and like, so thank God thatnothing happened like that where

(45:53):
you were. Saying it is a dumpling, nothing
terribly. Happened, yeah.
But at the same time, it's that icky feeling, I guess it's that.
Did you have that, like, sunken feeling in your stomach?
That pitch I went through? Everything Tanya, I went through
everything I. Had to process all.
Of this I went through like why me I'm such an idiot.
Got went through the anger went through the like this is
disgusting. Went through the whole like, I'm
getting rid of this car. I went through the, I went

(46:14):
through everything, you know what I mean?
Like I'm gonna get that. And then I'm like, Nah, fuck it.
And then I was like, you go through everything.
You go through all the emotions,right?
I guess for you, though, you're thinking of, you've also got to
remember you've got a family. And to me, I don't have a family
like I have. My husband and I, we're a
family, but I don't have kids. And so when I think of a
situation like that happening, that freaks me out because I

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just think God. It's a violation of like your
security. Like right outside your
children's. I don't want to make this worse
for you. Outside your children's windows
when they're sleeping. It's.
Listen, my situation is definitely not as tough as what
you went through. So yeah, I mean we've.
I was going to naturally get into it, but you, you started a
conversation. I feel sick talking about it,

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but at the same time we've come out on the other end.
So two months ago I went to Melbourne and hosted 2
workshops. That was such a success.
I actually had the most amazing time.
It was honestly it was just two days of pure bliss.
Like such amazing artists spent the day with such amazing
people. And then basically when I got

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home, because we, Tony and I, myhusband and I had driven to
Melbourne because we had to takeso many things with us, all the
goody bags. And like, yeah, I hate Singapore
master class. And I guess I was so paranoid
about my kit getting lost, the irony.
So I drove with my kit in the car and my bridal kit got stolen
when I and I realised when I came home.

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I'll never forget that. Thing, yeah.
And I, I never, I guess I I still freak out when I talk
about it, but. I still freak out that you're
actually talking about it right now.
Yeah, to be honest, I can't believe you're actually.
Yeah, because I never shared it online.
I never felt the need to becausemy mindset was basically OK,
well just to go back. So we got to Sydney and then my

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husband was unloading the car and he was like, where's your
kit? And I was like, what do you mean
where's my kit? And I had work in 2 days, so all
of my kit, my makeup, my lights,my brushes, my tools, everything
had been taken. As if you don't know Tanya or
any makeup artists like you justliterally have never met one.
She's not talking about like a little kit.
No, she's talking about like think beyond a carry on suitcase

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times 3. It's actually quite literally
three carry on suitcases. Yeah, yeah.
And all of my lines. Because I know what it looks
like. Yeah.
Remember, I like when you come into jobs and stuff.
Even like brushes though it's just all of my tools anyway.
But. Years and years of building
years. And years of building.
But what I will, what I will sayis that in that moment you
remember I called you because wehad a shoot.

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That I've never in my life over the years heard you so upset.
I was devastated. I've never heard you cry like
that, ever. Yes, I cried for a good two days
and then I realised, OK, this has happened.
I don't know who took it. Police were helpful until they

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weren't. And I mean again, theft in
Melbourne right now, crime is Melbourne is crazy.
And so in hindsight, I look backand I'm like, yeah, they stole
my kid. But like, thank God they didn't
steal our car. We wouldn't have been able to
get home. But also, I don't know who did
it. And I didn't.
I I cried about it for a good two days, but I had a job to get

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to two days later. Like I was back into the thick
of work, so I didn't have time to.
You stole that job with you? Yeah, I didn't have time to mope
around about it. It is what it is.
It happened. To me, that's what I'm saying.
It's tough when you get to real life share.
Yeah, but we still have to then end up showing up.
And boy did you show up that day.
Holy. Shit.
And I didn't feel the need to goonline and talk about it because
I don't need, It's not somethingthat I feel I need people to

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feel sorry for me about. It's something that happened to
me. Things like this happen to
people all the time. If anything, I'm really blessed
and grateful that thank God it happened to me and not one of my
girls or thank God it happened to me because I was able to go
out the next day and source everything.
So I went I kind of went Mia fora month online because I was
really busy just rebuilding my kit like I was, I had orders at

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the door every and no one neededto know because it didn't affect
me. You saw me two days you 2 days,
two days later you would never. I was look emotionally I was
like mentally I wasn't right because I was just so I guess I
felt violated and I was like, isthis going to affect my work?
Is it going to affect me as an artist?
But then I think, yeah, I think I realised in that moment that

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no, my tools and my makeup and my products, they don't define
me and who I am as an artist. And I actually, I'm really happy
and proud that I was able to come out of it because I guess I
was able to realise how, yeah, you have to be you.
You can't. I've got brides that have booked
me a year. This might.

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That bride, he's so beautiful. I'm not gonna say her name, but
she was so beautiful. And she when I was on that job,
I didn't even honestly, no one could tell because I still did.
I'm still happy with the work I did.
She was happy. Everyone looks amazing and I
just didn't have time to dwell on it.
I cried about it for two days and then I thought, OK, cry
about it, move along, beat your shit together and move on.

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And that's what I did. So I rebuilt my kit.
Thank God my kids back to I'm going to put, I've got air tags
in my kit now. So if you try and steal, anyone
tries to steal my kit, it's protected, right?
But at the time, this is anotherthing.
The only, the only reason I actually thought maybe I'll jump
online and talk about it is because I wanted to raise
awareness to other makeup artists to make sure that your

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kids are insured. My kit was insured, but I didn't
have the right kind of insuranceand I didn't know.
That's actually the most perfectadvice.
You know, like really make sure your kids are insured and make
sure that they're insured. Read the PDS and make sure that
they're insured if they ever getstolen out of.
Public conversation with the insurance company.
If this happens, I'm insured. If this happened to my insured,
what? Because I ask the question of
what you're not insured for. And that's the thing, I don't

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know, I would never, I have never left my kid in the car and
I never will. But ironically, I went to
Melbourne and I think it might have been taken out of the car
when we went like in that periodwhen we finished the class and
then went to dinner. Could have been, I don't know,
but I just yeah, I just. It happened you.
Gotta share 1 funny joke you know?
What's the joke? It's not a joke.

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Yeah, actually, it's not a joke.It's like a comment.
One thing about Tanya is that you, you I'll say about you that
I've learned is like you after you like kind of get over the
hump, right. Like, yeah, like dealt with
that. You've like overcome the
solution. You make really funny, like
takes on things and you're like,you know, it's funny.
George took it on the phone the other day for like 3 hours.
It's so funny because last time I went to Melbourne I was like,

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yeah, I think I just need to downsize my kid.
And then I went back to Melbourne and God's like, yeah,
you're not, you know? What?
I actually went to the Australian Open in Jan and when
I was flying back home I wrote alist of goals and one of the
goals. That's it.
I'm sorry, so wrong. Yeah, one of the goals was to
downsize my kid. And funny enough, yeah, God has
a funny way of being. Like he's like, hey, bitch, I'm
going to. I'm going to downsize your kit,

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all right. Going to make you hit that goal.
Yeah, but you know what? It's funny.
I actually. I think it's a great also lesson
for your girls to know because obviously your team knew first.
They knew first I was able to. For them to see someone who they
work for and you know, the most touchpoint mentor they have in
their life say, hey man, look what happened to me and I'm back
and we're still good and we're all good and business is.

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Running. Honestly, I'm gonna say it's
Masalib. God forbid.
Don't know what a Sam saliv means.
It's just Sam saliv. I don't know how to explain what
Sam saliv is like a blessing. A blessing, but it.
Means. Cross what I want to say is Sam
saliv. I actually think that having AI
guess my kit is slightly smaller.
I I still have an issue where I'm like constantly buying and I
do get things sent to me, which is really lovely and it has been

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very helpful in rebuilding my kit.
But like I said, it's some salib.
Thank God that nothing worse happened.
They didn't, yeah, you know, andthat it was me that.
You're not there at the the timeit happened.
Tony wasn't there. And I'm really happy with the
work that I've been producing ever since it happened.
Tony's great. He's fine.
None of his, none of his tools or anything are taken.

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It was just makeup brushes and makeup, but.
Tony's like robbed and my cow's Tony.
I know it's not about him for now, but yeah, no, it was
definitely a shit go, but we come out on the other end and
yeah, I just didn't like I said,I didn't feel the need.
It's the first time I speak about it publicly.
I didn't feel the need to I'm. Very shocked you.
And yeah, but I don't feel the need to.

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Talk about that. Yeah.
Yeah. But it's it's good that it's
been a matter because Tanya, like, God forbid people go
through this, but that's life. You know, they can see real life
examples of, you know, a reminder that it sucks at the
time, but it'll end up being OK.You'll be.
OK. And it puts things you.
Have your health. For you, Yeah, that's right.
You have your people, yeah. There are so many, you're OK.
There's so many people who are. I actually spoke to another

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makeup artist about it when it happened.
And the thing that she said to me was she actually said, Oh my
God, I think I'd retire. That's what she said.
And in that moment I realised I'm actually, I'm OK.
We're doing OK. There's worse things in life.
And yeah, it happened. It's done, came out on the other
end and. Yeah, it would have been an.

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And I'm downsized by kids, so it's lovely, yeah.
Yeah, it would have been an expensive plan if so.
It was expensive, but business is this is business get hit with
things all the time. Yeah, You know, it's part of I
guess. Yeah, it's part of business.
Should I ask you some questions people sent me?
Sure. Yeah, pull it up on my phone.
I have questions for you too though.

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Yeah, I actually wrote them down.
Are you write them? No, I put them on my phone.
Oh, I want to ask you something.Sure, Who's your favourite
photographer right now? Oh, so many.
I love them all. It's hard to say, I guess.
Are we talking about like, just say find a product?

(55:54):
Yeah, I think I can. I don't have a favourite.
Can I like list a couple at least?
Sure. Spread the Yeah, I think like
Alice Moran is always like, you know, she kills her, she's
international and she kills her Henrik.
Best vibe. It's nobody's seen so, so many
people. Tariq and Jade.
Yeah, I'm gonna miss people and I'm gonna forget.

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It's really weird. We'll pop you in the We'll pop
you in the comments. Julian Rinaldi, he's in.
Oh yeah. Julian's lovely.
He's so good. Yeah.
Yeah. Not gonna all of those people.
Yeah, we're not gonna. Pop Why that's give him a little
tag popping. In.
The I'll I'll pop you in the comments.
Don't worry about George, I'll pop you in the comments.
It's your. It's your episode.
It's. My it's the Ricky Lake show
Hello it's not the crew table today I'm.
Gonna randomly spit out names because I feel bad.

(56:39):
Go no, no, no. I'm saying throughout the
episode. Oh, OK, fair.
And I also wanted to ask you, we've touched on this just
quickly before we go into that. We touched on this before, but
you said you'll come back to it.One thing about George John is
that when you book George John, you get George John.
Yes, other there are other companies where if you book they

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have like different tiers and different packages.
Yeah, you get the shooters. Get or you have to pay like a
premium price for certain for the creative director.
Why have you not branched out? And I mean because you're, you
know, you could have gift. I'm really in the hot seat right
now. It's like, really so many.
Couples would love to have you and not specifically you, but at
least have George John and have the involved because you'd be

(57:22):
involved even if one of your shooters was.
Working well, The thing is, I think it comes down to like me,
right? Like it's like my decision
because it was like I haven't nothing to do with anyone else.
It's just like it's, it's what you do things when you're ready
and that you feel safe to do it.Does that make sense?
It's I will never say never. You know what I mean?

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It's never like going to be. So is it on the?
Cards, yeah, it's definitely on the cards.
But it's like it's, it's just when I feel emotionally ready to
let go. I will never do something,
particularly when it comes to a wedding day, until I'm 150%.
It's a massive responsibility. What has?
Yeah. What has stopped you?
So no, it's just me, OK? Like my own fees, my own
anxieties, my own stresses. Right.

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My shooters are like, beyond capable.
Yeah, beyond. I have one shooter that has more
experience under his belt than Ido.
Wow. Funny enough, actually, double.
Yeah, wow. It's crazy.
It it's it's they're they're ready.
My clients are ready. The inquiries are there.
It's just when like. When you're ready.
When I'm ready. But then I've grown to realise

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that in reality, that when that time does come, they actually do
get me, even even though I'm physically not there.
Yeah. Because you're very.
Because I'm physically doing allthe prep work.
I'm doing the meetings, I'm helping them pick their
location, I'm doing their time schedules, I'm doing the run
sheets, having the conversations.
I'm like I would with any other couple.
I'm then training my staff whereI'm physically there for to make
them shoot the way I want them to shoot.

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Yeah, then I get all the images and I'm still editing it.
Yeah, so. It's like I am there.
It's not like a like, it's not like I'm just sending him.
Do you feel like that's ever what's?
Been your experience with it because you send your girls
under Tanya Chia? Well, now we do so your brain.
Yeah. So I, if I'm ever unavailable on
a job, we recommend our senior artists.
And yeah, I mean, that's totallyup to the client if they want to

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book the senior artist, but I'm very involved in the process.
So before I go, the girls go to a job, I'll call the client
myself, speak to the client myself.
I'll be involved in the trial. I'll be involved in the just
just the overall, the overall day, the way that I would treat
my brides and in the lead up is what I'm I'm very much involved
in the team. What I'm going to realise, which
is kind of making me a little bit.

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More spend my business as well and it's helped me.
I guess it's also helped the girls.
Like you've got to remember you've got a team and I want to
see my team flourish and it's given them the confidence
because I have the confidence inthem and I do I have the
confidence in them on a job. They also have a lot of
experience with me on a job so they've assisted along the
years. So I think man, my shooters have
been with me for like they. Deserve that they've.

(59:50):
Seen everything they know, yeah,my shooters know everything
about me. They know down to the settings,
down to how I shoot. They've watched me direct for
weekends, on weekends, on weekends.
So they are ready technically. Like really It's it's it's.
Stay tuned guys. George John might be you're.
Going to. Push me up.
Yeah, I am going. To it's, yeah, it's, I think a
lot of the job when it comes to photography is the hard work to

(01:00:13):
put in about curating how the day flows and where they go and
how they want things done. And the day just happens because
we've done all the hard work. So in reality it's definitely
much like not a disservice rather than allowing for more
service. Yeah, and would you ever add
videography to your? I would never say never to
anything. Yeah, right.
It's just silly. Not.
Because I've had clients, I'll tell you, I've had clients say I

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really, really wanted George. Yeah, but he doesn't have a
video. And we wanted to just.
But then I also say that we shouldn't get into.
I shouldn't get into video just for the sake of booking a client
and winning a client. Yeah, it's very easy to do,
Tanya. That's very genuine.
I can offer a video next week. Yeah, it's not hard.
I've got to offer video when I'mtrust that the video is gonna be

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at the standards I put my photosin.
Have you ever tried videography yourself?
No, but like, I don't know anything about video.
That's reality. OK, So you know, I don't know
how to, I don't know how to edita video.
I don't like, obviously not likeI've like a proper wedding
video. I don't know anything about
that. Yeah.
So until I either have the knowledge to like at least
understand it. Yeah.
So, so that you're across it because.
How business? Let's say, for instance, you

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know I get a team of videographers that join us,
right? We offer that package and it's
not coming out the way I want itto come out.
How do I then communicate it to them right?
Whereas when it comes to photography, I can actually talk
right down to the. Process.
Yeah, details I can go. Right into like this wasn't shot
displayed because of this in post.
It needs to be done this. You need to do this in post.
That makes sense. VFR are very different.

(01:01:40):
They're actually not the same. You being so, I guess exclusive,
so when you're booked on a job and it's just you and you only
offer a photography service and you're really good at what you
do, it's kind of like hair and makeup artists.
I always say be good at one. Like be great at one, then be
good being average at both, Right.
That's what I'm for me. I yeah, I Oh, well, you did.
You mean it from a makeup and hair perspective?

(01:02:02):
I meant it from all perspectives.
Yeah, I would. Rather.
Be better to like. Amazing.
Excel at one I'd rather. Excel at what I can promise,
yeah. And actually like, kill it up.
But do you feel like that's affected your business at all
and like bookings? Not necessarily and if it has,
that's fair. I totally get it.
If brides needed like a all in But in reality almost I I'd say

(01:02:22):
all my vibes because it's the case because I don't have video
it you are still booking 2 separate people.
Like, it's not that hard, it's not that deep, and it's not that
serious. And you have videographers that
you recommend, so I. Could say the same to you.
Like, you know, how do they booka hairdresser?
It's the same thing, yeah. That's that's fair.
It's like it's all it is, is just finding a hairdresser that
aligns with you, doesn't. It's the only reason why people

(01:02:42):
feel that way is because you know, it's, it's an old school
ideology of where you go to likethat one stop shop back in the
days when reception, you'd walk in, you'd get the cake, you'd
get the flowers, you get the MC,you get the drummers, you get
the pirate tech. And now we go in, we get it or
like individually. So it's it's I'm here to service
couples who actually want really, really good imagery.

(01:03:04):
I'm not here to service couples that just want their day
captured. Well, when I, I can speak as
somebody who's also in the wedding industry, in the wedding
space, when I speak to brides that come in for trials, because
we, we do a lot of weddings together, a lot of the feedback
is that they feel they have thatpersonal connection with you
because it's so specific and you're, you're doing such an
amazing job at one thing and you're focusing on the one thing

(01:03:25):
for them. And I don't know, I think from
what I know, I mean, videographers are gonna hate me
for this. I'm sorry, please don't come for
me. But I think a lot of brides will
say, oh, I'll spend the money ona, on a, a photographer.
But videos like they, they care more for their photos because
it's hanging up in their house. It's everywhere.
It's on their iPhone wallpaper. I think don't do that.
No, no, I'm not. No.
No, I'm just saying for brides this morning, but I think.

(01:03:47):
Yeah, for me personally, I thinkvideography, photography is just
as equal. I think it's, I think we're
very, very much equal. But I do hear that from brides,
yeah, that it's kind of like when a bride.
Will make a possibility so you do go through it sometimes a
little bit more that's the reality, right?
Like you're not gonna cut through a three hour clip all
the time, but there are moments that are a little bit more

(01:04:07):
special on both ends, photo and video.
There was a part in my wedding video that was really special
where I was on the phone with mygrandfather because he couldn't
be at the wedding. He was sick and my videographer
captured that entire and were. Like sobbing and you hear the
voice. Yeah, and it was actually really
special, like the photos there, but like the hearing it and
watching it was really like, I get goosebumps thinking.
I told Alexi all the time, I think people forget about the

(01:04:28):
sense of voice that's important from a wedding day and the
sound. We always look at that eyes feel
like like how we feel on the dayand how what we look on the day,
but we don't think about like, you know, what our parents
voices sound like and our grandparents but.
I always was like. Drums and whatnot, like it's
important. I've going back to that.
I've lost a lot of people in my life and I was always someone

(01:04:49):
who always had my phone out filming them.
And I have so many videos. It's the best.
But I'm really worried I'm gonnalose Daniel.
I'm gonna have to get you to go through my iCloud and like, help
me fix that up, please. Because Daniel was like, oh,
here we go another job. But yeah, it's it's actually,
it's true. Video is just as important and.
Guys, if you need any help with your iCloud blackout, if you
need any Daniel, because apparently you know, can Daniel

(01:05:11):
help me? Out don't you week because I ran
out don't. Go to Apple, go to Daniel.
Like PM him. Yeah, if you're.
Going to wait in line at Apple, Yeah.
And then they're just going to tell you, like, what's your
Apple ID? Yeah.
I forgot. Daniel yeah, let's get into
questions. OK people, Let's see what the
people want to. Know well my questions.
Well, for me or for you? For me, it's somewhere.
For you, some of these, a lot ofthese are.

(01:05:35):
I've got some of your questions here Rhythm, but I'm do you want
to swap phones? Yeah, let's swap phones.
I'll give you, I'll post it on 2accounts.
I'll give you one account that'sa little bit more.
Can I skip some questions though, if you like?
What happens if I don't like thequestion?
Just can you skip? And then can I just say now I'm
answering it, yeah, just skip. I heck, can I do the same thing?

(01:05:58):
Do you know this question, the first one?
Yeah, this question over here, Iactually got the same question
when we posted that you were coming on.
I don't know if you're gonna be,you can skip it if you're not
comfortable, but I find it such an odd question to ask.
Would you like to have kids? Oh that's I get that.
I get asked that every day. Odd question to ask.

(01:06:19):
It is an odd question to ask, but I'm used to the question.
Yeah. Would I like to have kids?
I'd love to have kids. Do I have kids?
No. Do.
You feel like it's weird that people are asking the question.
I think it comes from a good place usually.
I think some people just want toknow for the sake of knowing.
I don't have an issue with people asking, but I'll tell you

(01:06:42):
what I think about this question.
I just want to preface by sayingit's not.
People forget that it's not justabout me.
I have a husband and like I don't want to.
I'm not going to ever go into the wise or because it's just
I'm not that type of person. I'm very personal when with my
personal life and I don't feel like I owe anyone that
explanation. It's all in God's hands and I'm

(01:07:02):
trusting in God and I would loveto have a kids.
I would love to have a family. I yeah, your girls getting old.
I need AI need a hurry up. But at the same time, what I
what I do think about this question is that it's bizarre to
me that we are still asking thisquestion in 2025.

(01:07:22):
There are women and I don't speak for myself and I'm not I'm
not speaking for anyone else. But what I will say is that we,
we are in, we're living in a, we're living in a society where
people are so afraid to speak about anything because you can
get cancelled so quickly. Woke awoke world.
The work, the work world, right,it's true yeah.
Everyone is very woke and you'llget cancelled for anything.

(01:07:46):
So we have to be so sensitive about anything that we say.
But yet we're still asking womenon the Internet that we've never
met or in person that we've never, we've met for the first
time, or even your relative thatyou just, you're asking such a
personal question. The thing is, it's just, it's
2025. Let's why we're not being
sensitive about this. I've had, you know, clients and

(01:08:09):
family members and people that Iknow, you know, they've told me
they've been asked, oh, when's the next one coming along?
They've just had a miscarriage or they've just had a stillborn
or, you know, you just don't know what someone is going
through. So I think it's really important
that maybe we start becoming a bit more sensitive about this
topic. Some women and I, again, I'm not

(01:08:29):
speaking for myself, but some women don't want kids or some
women are, you know, it's. Whatever the circumstances,
yeah, it's not no one's business.
It's not something. I truly think that like it's
always like from my heart of heart, I believe it's in God's
hands. I think your destiny is your
destiny. Like what's meant for you is
meant. It's written for you.
In that sense, I believe in that.
Yeah. But it's a very, very terrible

(01:08:50):
topic. Yeah.
And like Alexis had like I thinkI spoke about on the podcast
Possible, but she's had miscarriages.
And you know, even as a, as a guy, I told you this.
I think I, I spoke about this toyou recently while having this
conversation because I told you like Someone Like You know.
I love you, Alexia. It's weed because it's like, you
don't know what someone's going through that week.
And like someone's like, oh, youwant to expand the family?

(01:09:10):
And you're like, yeah. And it's like salt to the wind.
It's like you just don't know what what what happens.
Look, I'm getting nervous so I'mplaying with my hair, but you
just don't. You just don't know what someone
is going through and you just don't know what someone wants.
And like, maybe, I don't know, like I just think.
Why are we asking who would you put as godfather?

(01:09:33):
Are you trying to drop pins? It would be.
It would likely be Tony's brother.
Sorry, George. You can get the next one.
My brother's name's Tony's a Tony's brother.
Good one. But yeah, look, I just think
that we I'd love kids and God willing, you know, it happens

(01:09:53):
for me one day. But.
If you have 4 would I be like potential for one I?
Don't know if I think 3 is nice.Yeah, but I'm saying like if you
run out of godparents to blast the edge or to be such a good
God. Can I be godmother for the next?
We haven't Chris and CJ, So you know, like as in the I like the
next. Yeah, but isn't Teresa?
Is Teresa gonna be? CJ, we haven't decided.

(01:10:14):
Oh yeah. Teresa, I got you, girl.
Don't worry. I'll fight for it.
For you. You.
Don't understand it's actually. Selena No.
No, she will. I, Teresa will send you a
bouquet of flowers. So just dropping that on the
podcast to your city of like you're saying, I love you so
much. Yeah, I haven't.
I haven't thought that far ahead.
But me too, I again, I just dealwith it when I need to deal with
it and. And you know what?
For everyone asking, because I do get asked all the time, you

(01:10:38):
will know if it happens like I, you know, I when it happens, it
happens. And yeah, yeah, thanks for the
question. I like this question.
Oh no, there's just some dumb ones going to ask the dumb ones.
What are they? I want to know your crush.
My crush, Michael B Jordan. That's my crush.

(01:11:01):
I love your style. Thank you.
What's your passcode? Can I just I'm not say it on the
podcast? It's going to keep blocking me
up, OK? You should get a tattoo, someone
wrote to you. One friend you're thankful for.
I have. So many friends that I'm

(01:11:23):
thankful. For not Dodie J, it is George
John. No, I'm actually, I'm really
thankful for my friends, my friends, my family.
My questions were, yeah, maybe because I just people get to
know me. It's very.
I don't know, yeah, let's ask you some questions.
Sure. I think I asked you half of
these questions already because.You're a great host.
Thank you. Would you have me back on?

(01:11:45):
No, OK. Yeah, I'll have you on.
OK, Drew Barry. No, it wasn't Drew Barrymore.
Who was that? Ricki Lake, Ricki Lake.
Is it Ricki Lake or Ricki Lee? Rick, Rick, Rick, Ricky, Daniel,
can you look it up? Because I think this whole time
we might have been saying, Ricky, have you ever had a shoot
that completely didn't go to plan and how did you handle?

(01:12:07):
It all the time. Yeah, not all the time.
Sorry, guys. I'm I'm being dramatic.
Yeah like, yeah, like often. What does ever go straight to
plan like you've ever imagined as your Pinterest?
The other day did the shoot. Yesterday, it's all the time,
Tanya, it's weather, it's hair, it's it's, you know, people in
the background. It's, you know, we've talked
about going to this location fora wedding day and then it's like

(01:12:29):
Rd closure or, you know, talk about last year there was
unexpected protests every singletime.
And it would be like, not only can we not go to the place we've
spoken about, it's like, where can we go?
And don't forget one bride. It was like the whole city was
locked down. What do you do?
What? Do you?
Do you? Could have the next spot you
literally like so in for that wedding day.

(01:12:51):
You literally I pulled up to thewedding car get on the phone to
the bride. I'm like tell the driver to stop
on this road. Go to stop on this road.
Well, actually in front of I think like some random building
and I got out of the car and we I just started showing her past
galleries and I'm like, we went here, do you like this?
And I think Pierre was on the job with me and we're both like,
what do you think? And like people, do you think
it's like, why don't we go to this spot?

(01:13:12):
We'd show the bride and groom they're in the car this spot and
they're like not 100% I'm like, what about this?
But they're like that, get in the car and go.
What's your I'm actually interested to know what's the
wildest thing that's ever happened on a wedding day?
No, I won't share it on the podcast.
What you won't? No, a lot of stuff, obviously.
OK, yeah, boring. OK, next, what's your end goal?

(01:13:35):
Will it be weddings forever? You know, I'll just, I'd want to
be doing weddings for a very long time.
The right now I feel like I'm the the end goal is too far away
from. Me.
OK, fair to. To think about that or answer.
That oh, you got that question actually twice.
Well, this one was. What's your end goal with this
podcast? The end goal with this podcast

(01:13:58):
is when the end goal podcast happens, I'll let you know.
Well, I'll be taking over at that point.
Yeah, yeah, guys. There you go.
It's in, right? We'll see.
I'll pass over the IP and it'll be, you know, the Edna show.
Guys, I really hope you've enjoyed having me as a as a Co
host, not Co host. No.
How? How important is oh, I think
this question might have been for me.

(01:14:19):
How important is makeup in your final image?
Or yeah, like for you. No, I think it's for you.
I think they kind of made it forboth, knowing that you're going
to be on. From what I understood by that
question, it was like, how important does makeup affect
photography? Like on a wedding day image,
Right. That's how I read.
I think photography impacts makeup so I will tweak the
makeup on a bride knowing. So do you wanna know my answer

(01:14:41):
first? OK, Yeah, you go.
Because I actually agree over. Your answer OK.
Yeah, I think it's tans that affect photography more than it
is makeup, OK. Why?
Because multiple things. Like spray.
Tans itself when they're botchy.So you get the patches.
Yep, Yep, like the. Yeah, like you get the.
Middle of summer and. All these parts are called
someone. Wants to like dry parts.
Yeah, like you get the inside ofthe elbow, the actual elbow,

(01:15:04):
knuckles under the underarms, like those key areas that are
going to be seen on a wedding dress sometimes or some they
come out so it looks interestingdo.
You have to edit all of that Or will you edit that?
It depends how bad it is, but like you know, it's.
Yeah, encourage your brides not to get a spray.
Is this, are we just just to confirm, are we talking about
spray tans or like suntan like in summer?

(01:15:25):
Well, if it's a suntan and it's peeling and blotchy, same thing.
Like, you know, like I really, I'm talking about all of it in
general, right? It's really, you've got to be
very careful with it. You get bridesmaids that we
literally have this one like, yeah, editor in a yeah, that's
right. Not for the full gallerino, you
know what I mean? It's your photos.
You'll be forever. Yeah, I personally, I love
colour. I love, I love seeing.
But for you, I think when it comes to editing, you've got

(01:15:46):
those demands. For me, I like.
That I think a really nice subtle 1 is beautiful, but it's
like everything's subjective to taste, right?
Yeah. I just think it's always nice to
look like yourself at your wedding day.
For me, just to answer this question, my perspective is I
will change the makeup. Sometimes I'll make little
tweaks depending on who the photography is.

(01:16:08):
So interesting. I think I've, I've learned to
understand how people shoot. So if someone is a really like
flashy photographer and they usea lot of flash, sometimes I find
that my makeup can look a bit. It has looked washed out.
So I've learned from that and I'll go a bit more coloured, a
bit more like flushy on the cheeks and bronzy because those

(01:16:28):
colours, they look good on the flesh.
But then I find that if some photographers and I might not be
using them like terminology, yeah.
But if their exposure is like, or maybe the shadows are like
stronger, moodier, moodier, I find that I can't go too strong
with like the contouring and thesharp because all the darkness
on the eyes because that. You talk about this to your

(01:16:49):
bride when they tell you who their photographer is.
I do. Oh, I won't, unless they ask me
to make changes. And I don't think it's gonna
align with their photo. It's going to work.
Kind of saying yeah, like. Yeah, because every also like,
who am I to dictate? Like I mean, who knows, maybe a
photographer chooses to be different that day and not
capture flashy images. But I think.
Which happens, we change all thetime.
That's something it's very like.So I'll never give my opinion,

(01:17:11):
but what I'll do is on the job, I'll do the make up that I think
works for that photo or works for them.
And then I might ask the photographer, Hey, can I see?
I usually do. Can I see it on your camera?
And then I'll tweak it like we've done that before.
We do that a lot. Like I'll say, can I tweak it?
Let me, George, let me see how it's photographing.
Is it too glossy? Is it too matte, like the shade
more colour? I'll look at it and I'll see.

(01:17:33):
Can't always be corrected in post though.
I'm just saying, if you ever seehim waiting photographers, I
just like. To make your job easy, you know,
less editing. I just like to take over the
podcast. It's like I'm just making life
easy for you at the moment. Don't roll your eyes at me.
Daniel's gonna invite me for thenext podcast and then I'll get
royalties. What was your royalty royalties?

(01:17:56):
Royalty. Actually, I don't have
royalties. I want the full payment.
Fucking hell. Kidding, I'm good.
What's your I made it moment? Or is there something you're
still yet to achieve? Still yet to achieve.
I haven't made it. No one's made it in my eyes.
But what are we? I know.
Business. I know, quite literally.
Sorry, is that we? We're not celebrities.

(01:18:16):
Speaking of, can we talk about? Winning Grammys.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, your perception of what
making it is. But why is your perception?
Of making it a Grammy. Why isn't it take care of your
family? Oh, Daniel, I like that.
You know what? I mean, I don't know if the
viewers can hear what you're saying that I was really well
thanked. Come on to the podcast.

(01:18:36):
Can I invite Daniel on? Daniel said.
Just honestly, Tanya, like take,take my kids, take my wife, take
my house. What do you want us?
But say this point. Come on, do.
You want to say that? OK.
Let me repeat. Let me repeat what and I've
never seen Daniel go so red. I'm going to repeat what he said
because that was actually a goodpoint.
It all comes down to perception and what you view as making it.

(01:18:58):
And Daniel said, wouldn't you view as making it like providing
for your kids? But you, you know, you said I'm.
A great perspective. Yeah.
So what's your idea of making it?
I guess I've made it, yeah. I'm healthy, I'm happy.
I have a beautiful relationship with my family.
You have a beautiful wife. You found your your content.

(01:19:19):
I feel very content. You're blessed.
I'm very. God protects you.
Yeah. And loves you.
There you go. And that's beautiful.
Yeah. I'm gonna cry now.
Yeah. No, I'm not gonna cry.
It's gonna be the first crew table where no one cries.
No. Are you gonna cry?
I feel like you're about to sheda tea.
Next question. OK, George, I think you've made
it. I think you've love you, love
you. Proud of you, someone wrote.

(01:19:41):
Tell me a story or a time where you hated doing your job.
Juicy please. No, no, it's it's about.
OK, Next. Thank you.
Next. And and by the way, I've never
hated my job. That's nice.
You shouldn't hate your job. Feel like if you've hated your
job, you probably shouldn't be in this job?
Exactly. Just exit.
Oh, someone write. Cannot wait to have you at my
wedding. Your work is breathtaking.

(01:20:03):
That's really lovely. I've got.
A reply of these. I wanted to play that card game.
Oh, a lager. So wait, how do we play this
again? You pick out a card.
Oh, it's. Yeah, you pick one each.
Yeah, come. On So George, I have this card
game that I'd like you say. Guys, some mockery.

(01:20:24):
I have this card. Game calling one second.
You're live on the podcast, you're on speaker.
Oh. She hung up.
Oh, what's your passcode? I was wondering why hers yours
was Homer Simpson as well. OK, he I'm not Homer Simpson.
No, because I've got her as Homer Simpson in my phone even.
It's a personal joke. Probably shooting at.

(01:20:48):
No, she got she got bitten by a wasp.
Once you're live on the podcast.Oh.
Hi, guys, I'm done. Hi, right you all.
Sorry I. Said hi guys Dirty J nice to
meet you all. Nice to meet you.
Welcome Dirty J to the Ricky Lake Show.
OK. It's Ricky Lake Show.
Do you have a question for Tanyathat you want to ask?

(01:21:10):
Ask her if she knows who Ricky Lake can.
I know Ricky Lake is. Ricky Lake No.
Yeah. OK.
Thank you. Maybe it's Ricky Lee do.
You have a question for Tanya. You can ask her.
It's Ricky Lake, I would say. How punctual are you at work?
How punctual are you at work? I'm actually pretty good.
I think. I'm actually, I'm actually

(01:21:31):
pretty good. I'm always on time.
And if I'm not, it's because I know Dodie's gonna be working
with me and she's gonna be laterthan me, so it's all good.
Oh, my God. All right, Daddy.
We'll let you go. We love you.
Good luck. Bye before you after.
Bye. LA Lager.
OK, so let's both pick up cards.There's a card, yeah, we'll pick

(01:21:51):
up. Let's just pick the top.
Do you wanna go first or I'll gofirst?
We can't both pick up the top card.
Oh, OK, yeah, pick up another one if you don't like.
It I'll answer it. When was the last time you felt
alive? When was the last time you felt
alive? I.
Always felt alive. You know what?
You asked someone this question and they said the same thing.

(01:22:13):
Who did you ask this question to?
I watched the podcast and they said I always feel alive.
I think you're dreaming. It's a favourite dream love.
They'll they'll know and yeah, OK, next card because that you
didn't really give much there. That was a bit vague.
I'll cry with this question whatdid your family teach you about

(01:22:34):
love? Can't talk about family.
I start crying. That's.
OK. Famous told me everything about
love. Alexis told me everything about
love. My parents marriage told me
about love. My siblings remind me about love

(01:22:54):
every day. Very blessed.
Just like everything that we do for each other.
I'm I'm very lucky. I have a very good family
dynamic. That's beautiful.
Your kids, your your kids teach you about love.
Yeah, your kids are. They teach me about love.
And they're even my kids. We're very, very physical family
like, like, I don't know how to describe like we like to hug.
Yeah, you're very physically, we're very.

(01:23:15):
Affectionate. Yeah.
And we very like affectionate with our words and our actions.
Yeah, You know what I mean? So it's like I feel loved every
day of my life, yeah. Yeah, everyone loves you,
George. My question was, what do you
take for granted It's a? Great one.
I think maybe time, like time with people, time with my loved

(01:23:40):
ones. We get so caught up in work and
the hustle and bustle that we forget that we're not all going
to be on this earth forever and one day. 200 years.
Just just hopefully not anytime soon.
But life is short and everythingthat we stress about, we worry

(01:24:00):
about now honestly means nothingbecause we leave this earth with
nothing. Absolutely.
We take nothing with us, just our souls for God to judge.
But I think time because for me,I've lost people along the way
and I haven't had enough time with them.
But I also haven't, I had time to say goodbye or you know.

(01:24:22):
So for me, time, I wish, I wish I didn't take that for granted
because maybe I'll be a bit morepresent in time with the people
that I love. Absolutely.
I've gone through that way too many times.
That was Dave's anymore. I'm just going to say thank you,
George John for being on my podcast for Fuck.
'S sake. This is my podcast.
Thank you. Did you say this is my podcast?

(01:24:46):
Bro I don't know what you your level of delusion it's.
Not it's not. Thank you for being a guest on
my podcast. It's been wonderful having.
You, I would love to say it was a pleasure, I hope, but I'm an
honest person in the hot seat. I hope you enjoy being in the
hot seat as much as I loved having you in the hot seat.

(01:25:06):
Fantastic. You've done a fantastic job.
Thank you, love, and I love you and I'm proud of you.
Thanks and I've had the best time here.
Stay tuned for the next episode.See you this weekend mate.
See you this weekend. Cheers.
I'll see you guys on the next episode.

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