028. ANN HASSARATI [VIDEO]

Ann Hassarati: Bridal Makeup, Boundaries & Building an Empire

Ann Hassarati is one of Sydney’s most in-demand bridal makeup artists. With a luxury storefront, a cult-favourite brush line, and years of industry experience, she’s built a name synonymous with excellence. In this episode, Ann joins George John to discuss the viral TikTok backlash against bridal makeup pricing—and offers a raw, unfiltered perspective on what luxury service really involves.

We explore the highs and pressures of staying relevant in a saturated industry, navigating burnout, protecting creative integrity, and the cost of showing up 100% for brides every single weekend. Ann also shares her thoughts on mentorship, motherhood, product development, and the legacy she’s building beyond the brush.

Whether you’re a bride, a beauty lover, or a fellow artist—this one’s essential.

Bridal makeup pricing, beauty industry in Australia, luxury service, makeup artist career, creative burnout, mentorship, Ann Hassarati brush line, wedding makeup, TikTok bridal debates, behind the scenes of bridal beauty

Hosted by George John (@georgejohnphotography, @crewtable)

Produced by Daniel John

Episode Transcript

(00:10):
Ian Hazarati, Hello, Welcome to the crew table.
Thank you for having. Top, top, top of my list to
have. I love you.
I love you so much more. Let me be real, I was super
nervous thinking Oh my God, why does George want me on?
What are you talking about? 25 years of experience in the
game? Yes, literally top tier.
Thank you, George. And just the most beautiful
human, no? Thank you.

(00:31):
I think it's impossible for someone to say something bad
about you, and if they say something bad about you, it's
probably an issue within themselves more than I.
Honestly not to put tickets on myself but yes I do agree.
You have the most pure soul, pure intentions.
Thank you, George, and just incredible energy.
Thank you. Sometimes too much, too much
energy in the morning. I get that all the time I.

(00:52):
You're in the mood for it. Yeah, you're in the mood for it
today. I was in the mood for it.
And like me too. Monday morning.
Let's go crazy. I know.
But you know, Oh my God. Well.
The mood, honestly, it is, it does come from within, but it's
also really dependent on my surroundings.
Like sometimes my kids say, mate, you're a bit too much in
the morning, but I just wake up and I think, Oh my God, it's a

(01:12):
new day. I'm so blessed.
And you know, and with my clients, I sort of do the same
thing. I get a vibe from them and if
they're, you know, energised. I know our brides love your zest
for life. Yeah, we love life.
Yeah, I remember our last one, and she was just, like, matched
your energy perfectly. Yeah.
Doing workouts in the morning. Oh my God, wasn't that the
funniest? That was the funniest thing

(01:33):
ever. I.
Love does. Anyone else in your household
have this level of zest of energy?
Honestly they they do, but not in the morning like they do, but
obviously not within the morningframe.
Yeah I'm definitely a morning person.
I'm an all rounder I reckon, butI think I'm probably too much
for some people, but I don't change.
And the funniest part is I get it in What's your coffee order?

(01:55):
She gets just a weak flat wine. I know.
I don't need the cafe. Doesn't need the caffeine.
This makes so much sense. So shit coffee.
I don't need the alcohol. I don't do caffeine.
Yeah, I'm just high on life. It's why your skin so good.
Yeah, it's getting. There alcohol and no caffeine.
So 25 years in the make up game,there's a lot to kind of go
down, go down this path. Make up wasn't the way what it

(02:18):
is today as it was back then. I definitely want to talk about
that. I just, I just feel like like
anyone with your level of skill and experience, 25 years of
experience is can just offload so much information and wisdom.
And that kind of experience is something that people shouldn't
take lightly. No, I know I'm definitely not

(02:39):
going to take it lightly during this recording and like going
through this, but I definitely like want you to or I'm hoping
you can actually be open enough to tell us the truth.
Yeah, not in a harsh way, but like, you know, like give U.S.
Business insights give us experience, help us kind of go
through what we can look out forand what we what you're still
learning, like your Instagram page being.

(03:01):
Oh, no. Oh my God, That's a bit
devastating to be honest. Now I was gonna say like, I
think you can learn from everyday we learn.
And if you think you can't learnsomething, then you know, you've
obviously got too many tickets on your shoulders.
But I think it's so important tostay humble, which is why I am
where I am and just work hard, get up everyday, be grateful and

(03:27):
just keep pushing forward. And that's honestly what I've
been doing. I mean, the fact that I love
what I do is like so important, but also you've got to just
appreciate where you are in in life.
That's awesome. Yeah.
So guys and Instagram is hacked.I know, I'm so devastated.
Every small business owner's worst nightmare.

(03:49):
It's so funny how we. Rely.
Problem. It is a first world problem, but
it's so funny how we rely so much on our Instagram.
Yeah, I mean, I still have like my TikTok and whatever, but my
Instagram is like my baby. It's like where my business is,
where I showcase things, where Iconnect with my clients, my, you
know. But this two authentication code

(04:10):
means nothing 'cause it literally gave me no warning.
Yeah, so you had to. I had it all set up.
Yeah, it all set up. No warning whatsoever.
One minute I was posting a storydoing a Vera Wang shoot last
week and then next thing you know it was like.
I don't think it's a hack situation.
I think it's a, it's like a, it's like a, a glitch in the
Matrix. Like it's like, yeah, I don't

(04:31):
think it's a hack thing because the hack things are like when
people are, you know, are tryingon your, Yeah, they're.
Trying to get into your emails. Or you would have had like a
threat in your emails or something.
That's just the candle, OK? Like doing its thing exploding.
We're already we're already explosive and we're like 2
seconds into this episode. But alright, I'm going to begin
with you. Longevity, your growth, OK, the

(04:53):
journey that you've had. What's the secret to staying
relevant all these years or staying on top of like, you
know, your clients and, and and your your game?
You know what, like just say true to yourself.
I always say challenge yourself like so I generally love
learning. So if I'm looking at my work,

(05:13):
I'll always analyse it and I don't know why, maybe it's a bad
thing for me, but I'll always say, you know what I can do
better. And to stay relevant, I think
you've just got to like just watch what the, you know, what's
happening around the world, likewhat's fashion, what's trending,
but also personalising it. Like with my work, it's always

(05:33):
more like a timeless glam, like timeless look.
So you look back in 10 years time, their photos, their look
is still gonna look incredible. Have you ever found like a
challenge of like Speaking of relevancy and staying on top of
stuff? Like, it's such a, we were to
say, but have you found a challenge?
Like when the market's getting too saturated at certain moments

(05:54):
and, you know, you're like, wait, how am I going to get
booked when there's like 9101112Family Credit Arts also doing
Timeless, Yeah, like whatever's kind of in your car.
Look, I think what's going to put what I speak for myself,
what puts me as like aside is myyears of experience.
And you know, what I bring is not just about make up.

(06:15):
It's like my energy, it's like the lead up of how I connect
with my clients. There's so much more into it
than just makeup. It's educating my clients.
And yeah, just staying true to yourself.
Yes, it's a, it's a very competitive market and there's a
lot of like very, very talented artists out there.

(06:37):
But I honestly say that you willwhat you manifest out there, you
will get in return. So there is plenty of work out
there. And I think just stay true to
yourself. I'm not here to be competing
against, you know, the New Girl that started or, you know,
somebody else who's been in the industry for a long time.
I actually compete against myself purely.

(06:59):
Yeah, yeah. So you started out in your home?
Yeah, I started like honestly 25years ago.
I was working in the industry, so.
So I was working in retail. OK, Yeah.
So how I actually began, like I was always doing makeup in
school. And it wasn't like, it was like
literally just, you know, playing around.

(07:20):
And my dad, God rest his soul, he was an incredible designer.
So he was in the bridal industry.
Yeah, yeah. And he used to always like dress
mum up, like looking Immaculate.And I really like inspired to be
like him. And I wanted to follow his
footsteps. So I was going down that pathway
of fashion. And, you know, ironically, he

(07:42):
used to say to me, you know, do a couple of my clients and I'd
be like, Dad, I'm an amateur. Like, you know, I'm not going to
go anywhere near it. But because I loved makeup so
much, I thought, yeah, give it ago.
And honestly, that's that's where it sort of lead.
Like, I diverted from being, youknow, into fashion.
And then I said to my dad, I'm gonna just follow this footstep.
And I literally went into studying.

(08:02):
I worked a couple of like, besides the fact that I had a
few, you know, full time jobs like, yeah, you know, becoming a
flight attendant, working as an EA, yes, I know there was a few.
Flight Attendant. Yeah, I was working before I got
married, by the way. I was.
Off Kris Jenner. I know.
You know, The thing is, I, I feel like I went into a few

(08:22):
different jobs 'cause I really didn't know what I wanted until
I found my niche. Yeah.
And then when I found my love and passion towards makeup and
how I made people feel, it was just, I don't know, it was just
so refreshing. And honestly, it's, it's cliche
when I say you, the way you makesomebody feel is priceless.

(08:44):
It's you cannot pay for that. And that's honestly where I
went. And like, you know, God, God
rest my dad's soul. He was like, Yep, follow your
dreams and. Yeah, go ahead.
That is so awesome. Yeah.
So then from home to now your own space.
Yeah, so I worked in the industry.
So I worked for the likes of, you know, Napoleon Perdis, you

(09:05):
know, Christian Dior. That was like probably one of my
big. I made a moment when you're
working in. Yeah, yeah.
And honestly, I feel like, you know, when people say, how did
you start in the industry? I feel like you if you don't do
retail, because retail was the big thing then like, and, you
know, working on different walksof life, life and different
people taught me how to like communicate better with clients,

(09:30):
how to, you know, even have likebad clients, like how to adjust
to, you know, correcting something that wasn't really
good. And like people think it's all,
you know, happy and like whatever, but it's actually not.
It's a hard industry to to work with different types of people
and different personalities. So being in retail made me feel

(09:51):
like, you know, I could do that.And I like achieved a lot in my
retail business. Like, you know, I won like, you
know, makeup artist of the year,consultant of the year.
Like so I did like. Climb up those.
Yeah, I did, and I achieved a lot there.
And that was when I thought, youknow what, I've gone as far as I
can with them. I'm going to now go out and do

(10:13):
freelancing. And I honestly, I took the, you
know, I took the step and I said, you know what, I can do
this. And I did it like more so
because when I had when I was planning to have kids, I thought
this is a good opportunity to, to work as a freelancer.
But also, yeah, but also look after my family because that was

(10:34):
like something big for me. I wanted to make sure I was
still a working mum, but also looking after my kids.
And yeah. And then I freelanced.
Do you feel like after all theseyears, people like there's
something that you're very, verygood at when it comes to makeup?
Like is in like. Oh, Anne's really good at this.
I think people resonate more. Or is it more me or?

(10:58):
Just yeah, your your actual likeI.
Think I mean look, I can do all sorts of makeup, but I think
people like resonate more with my soft glam like that
effortless that sort of, you know, clean beauty.
Yeah, yeah, I think it's your eyebrows.
My eyebrows. Every bride I have of yours,
it's 10 on 10 eyebrows. I just.
Say you know what it's. So weird to say this hi.

(11:20):
Now, because my dad, honestly, Iremember my dad used to always
say to me, are those eyebrows real?
And I go to him, yeah, because you've got the most beautiful
eyebrows. And every time I do my brows,
honestly, it just reminds me of him.
No way. I swear to God.
That's crazy. Yeah.
So now that you just said that, I feel like Dad's.
Around Yeah, that's so beautiful.
That's awesome. Oh my God.

(11:41):
He's always around. He is.
He's gonna bless you with, you know he is.
Many more happy days, especiallycomes to work.
Yeah. I won't let you cry too early on
in No, I'm. Not gonna cry.
Yeah, it's too early in the morning for tears right now.
Because once I start, you know, Yeah, once I start in, I don't
stop. So we're just, we're gonna,
we're gonna roll with that. But what legacy do you feel like

(12:02):
you have built this far? Not what you're wanting to
build. That's a hard question, Legacy.
Next question. Yeah, that's fine.
Yeah, you will maybe come back I'll.
Come back to that one. You know what, we'll, we'll
shift it a little bit, Yeah. And I wake people up, OK?

(12:25):
They're listening to this early in the.
Morning. Let's do it.
There has been so much chatter, so much drama, right?
Now I think I know where you're going with this.
In the past one, yeah, anyone who hasn't had it on their 4U
page, I'll give them a little bit of like a a brief rundown.
But I know in the industry like once you post when you're in the
wedding industry or my 4U pages of a weddings to be honest.

(12:46):
But that will Jet 2 holiday, Yeah.
I know. That too or Coldplay.
But anyways, there's this massive conversation that I feel
like all the make up artists, I don't know if it's a Sydney make
up artist thing or an Australianmake up artist thing.
It's just our industry. Views are getting slammed.
Yeah, there's a massive bashing towards make up artists and

(13:07):
their pricing and it's not directed at 1 make up art.
It's just like they're just saying bridal make up and price
and some go uploaded something about touching grass because she
got a quote that was expensive. And people are just like,
honestly, everyone's got an opinion and it's, you know, they
have the rights to have their own opinion.
But I also think why are they targeting us as make up artists?

(13:28):
Because like, when you look at it, the industry and in bridal,
and I'll quote bridal is, is high demand.
Like it is high demand and like you're going to cater for your
luxury brides, you're going to cater for, you know, like your
everyday bride. I think personally, me, I'm
talking on my end that every bride that I do is, is luxury.

(13:52):
So whether you're going to have,you know, 600 people that you're
wedding or whether you have 200 people that you're wedding, I
treat them still as luxury. So I feel like pricing is really
based on like your experience, your demand and like.
A level of service like AT. It is, it is definitely a level

(14:12):
of service. I feel like sometimes people who
have been in the industry for like 5 years think they can
charge what you know, people like you know, myself or others
who have been in the industry for 20 plus are charging now.
You could still be 20 plus yearsin the industry but not be so
much in demand and it could be personally because you're not
pushing your business. Do you know what I mean?

(14:33):
I. Get what you're saying?
Like, so I think when you're in demand and you're pushing your
business and you're constantly like, on, you know, the tip of
people's mouths, like, I want tobook her and whatever, then you
can charge what you want. But I feel at the same token,
like, why are we not in par with, you know, your

(14:53):
hairdressers? You know, why are we not in par
with other vendors? Yeah, like, with all due
respect, like, you know, we're not going to be charging
anything like, you know, photographers and reception
lounges and all that. But we do make an impact to our
rights 1000% because and I can vouch like you can actually
answer this for me if we do not do a good job on their

(15:16):
appearance, their dress, their hair, their photos or go sue
the. Bin.
Exactly. So I think the talk is real and
I think it's important that people can appreciate what we're
worth because it's not just us showing up on the day, it's the
lead up of it. It's waking up at 3:00 in the

(15:36):
morning, It's taking our kit with us.
And like, just on the weekend, Ihad a, a house that was like,
honestly three storeys high and I'm like, Oh my God, how am I
going to get up there? There was no left.
I'm like, there are so many obstacles.
It's not just that. It's like also, you know,
blocking out your whole day or half a day for them.

(15:57):
I mean, I think it's a full day when you're up at 3:00 in the
morning starting at 5, you know,you stay there till God knows
what time. But we choose that.
And, you know, I think we shouldalso be compensated for that.
Yeah, Monica Gonzale Gonzale yeah, I'm gonna pronounce a long
time. I always struggle with it.
She put up a TikTok and and hit back at it and I thought it was
yeah, so perfectly set. I saw use all Yeah coming like

(16:21):
thank like it's like finally someone.
Said that like honestly in the industry, I feel like it's not.
I don't think in our in the circle that I sort of associate
with that we are competing against each other.
I think it's important that we support each other because if we
don't, then that's when you're going to see a massive
difference in prices in like people's delivery, you know, or,

(16:46):
and there are still people unfortunately that will
shortchange or cut you or. Yeah.
Well, that's part of the issues because it was like, it's like
something. You make I can do better and the
sad reality is that it's becausethey want to get ahead.
Do you know what I mean? Like I've had from my experience
and I don't know if I should be saying this but.

(17:08):
I you want to say it, it's not getting cut out.
Say what you want to say, but it's not getting cut out.
OK, like I've had you were on the job with me.
Oh. My God, I thought you were going
to say this story. Yeah, go on, do.
I say it or do I? No, no, I'll choose not to.
But basically all I'm saying is that if if I and I've had this,

(17:29):
actually, let's rephrase it, I've had brides come to me and
say, I really want you to do my makeup.
I have booked another makeup artist.
But I really want you just to come out and do bride only.
Now, without even knowing who the bride, who the makeup artist
is, I instantly say no because for me it's not.
It's about morality. It's about respect, being in the

(17:53):
industry. It's not about money for me.
So I could have made easy, you know, I could have said, yeah,
I'll come out and do your bride only and I'll charge, you know,
a premium rate to come out for you.
But I think it is a disrespect to the other client, to the
other makeup artist. And this is how I feel.
And I feel like This is why I am.
You're referring to like on the job, Yeah.

(18:14):
Yeah, and this is also I feel like why I stay true to who I am
and why people see honestly why I'm so humble.
I'm not like putting like by allno means do I feel like, you
know, I want like people to say,oh, you're so good.
Yeah, I'm not that person. Like I actually like bring
people down to reality because I'm not.
I feel very honoured that peopleget happy when I'm on the job

(18:37):
with them. But at the end of the day, we
are all doing what we love. We're all hustling.
We're, you know, providing a service And you know, for us,
that's what is rewarding becausewe're going to constantly get
that repeat. But going back to not taking
someone else's job is I actuallywould go back to that, make that

(18:59):
bride and I'll be saying to them, you know what, for you to
be coming to me, I would prefer that you actually go back and
like communicate with your makeup artist.
Because if that was me, I would want my bride to tell me what
her issue is and why she is not happy with myself.
So how did that problem resolve the one that you're just
referring to right now? There was a few It's so I've

(19:20):
either said if you don't say it,I will, Yeah.
Or I just gave them advice and honestly, it's free advice for
heavens sake, like, but I would hope that people would do the
same for me. Yeah.
Because it hasn't happened in the past.
And, you know, sometimes I'll get to a job and, you know, I'm
assuming I'm doing a job and I and it just doesn't happen.

(19:43):
So I'm not confrontational, but at the end of the day I just
give advice to say look if thereis an issue with your artists or
with any vendor. I think communication is the
best for 1000% and if you lack communication then it's on you.
But then I just pull myself out of that circle.
I also think as a, as a supplierand a vendor on someone who's

(20:03):
like, you know, taking on a job for a client, if you can't
handle, it's not really criticism, but if you can't
handle their communication, thenit's kind of like your own
problem to deal with him. I think a client has the right.
To. Openly like, talk and say I
don't like this. You know what I mean?
Like that. But this is the thing, I give
advice to that. And honest to God, when I tell

(20:24):
you, it's like I'm actually supporting the makeup artist.
I may not necessarily ring them,but I'm actually supporting them
because I'm telling the client, if you have concerns, please
speak to the your artist or speak to your vendor.
Do you know what I mean? I think it's they have it's they
have the rights to know what your concerns.
Are. Yeah, it's not nice.

(20:44):
Like how do you expect them to deliver if you're not going to
be honest with them? I would hate that situation.
Me too. I've never been in it.
Yeah, I would hate it. Well, all I say is I just hope
that everybody can do the same thing because at the end of the
day, you know, I would never take somebody's bread and butter
because that is their bread and butter.

(21:05):
Yeah, it's a beautiful way to put it.
Do you feel like speaking on this whole, like, industry
evolution talk and what's happening now on Tiktok?
I think it's just another stupidthing that'll blow over, like
really is that things have changed in the industry like
from like the last decade to now.
Was this issue always around when it comes to like pricing or
like you know? Now, I think pricing was very

(21:26):
competitive back in the early days.
I think, I don't think it was a conversation.
I think people were very privateabout what they would charge.
You know, you would hear talk like, Oh my God, so and so's
paying charging this much. But So what?
Like, who cares? Like, why does it need to be a
gossip about what people are charging, you know, and sadly,

(21:48):
it's industry people that are saying, you know, Oh yeah,
she's, you know, or he or she orwhatever it may be is charging
that. Why can't you support say, you
know what, good on them. They've worked hard.
You know, like if she's not yourcup of tea or they're not your
cup of tea, then go, go somewhere else.
Like I'll sometimes get people saying to me, you know, I really

(22:10):
want to use your services, but you're a bit above my budget.
What can you do for me? So for me, I just say to them,
look, you know, at the end of the day, I may not be within
your price range. You know, I don't like to
negotiate with my prices becauseI feel like it's not fair for my
other clients. So I like to keep it real for
everybody. But then at the end of the day,

(22:31):
I also say to them, like there is, there are reasons why I
charge what I charge. You know, I am elite in the
industry. I've, you know, and I'll give
them a background of what I'm you break it down, you know,
break it down for them. Not that we need to justify what
we are because I feel like when people come to enquire with my
services, they already know my level of experience.

(22:51):
They know how long I've been in the industry.
And my business I think is beinga word of mouth for a very, very
long time. Social media is a good part of
it. But when I asked my clients, how
did you like, what made you cometo me or had you hear about me,
it's always through referral. Hey, you did so and so or this

(23:13):
person or whatever, you know. Do you think the pricing is fair
right now 2025? Yes, across.
The board. I do.
I do because I feel. Yeah.
I think it's fair. OK.
But like I say, we are working in par with other vendors.
Yeah, like if you're paying, youknow, you gotta, I think you

(23:36):
know what you've also gotta recognise.
Basing off like what people are saying online, because I'm like
you, you don't know what like people are charging.
Like even now I'm sure you're not aware of what the current
pricing situation is for photo and video and whatnot.
No, I don't, but it's not my business.
But I just assume that if you'regonna be in the industry, and
you know what, you've got to remember as well, like we're

(23:58):
not, our economy is not the same.
Like everything's more, our food's more expensive, our
products more expensive, everything labour, everything's
more expensive. So why do, why does our rate
have to remain the same if we everything else is going up?
So I think people forget that. But like I say, it all comes

(24:18):
back down to if you're working within a budget, respect your
budget and go with what works for you, but it may not
necessarily always have the outcome you want.
Yeah, when you hear these type of comments online, what is your
like initial reaction like when you first saw this roll out on
Tiktok or social media on this? Conversation.

(24:38):
You know what? I stood back for a little while.
Yeah, I didn't comment straight out.
I only saw my industry peers in Sydney comment on Monica's.
Tiktok, yeah, look, I think it'ssupporting like people at the
end of the day supporting our industry.
But I I don't think it's a bad thing.
I think it's a good conversationto have.

(25:01):
But like I said, everyone will have an opinion.
Yeah. And it's it's, it's on them.
Man I think Tiktok is a very savage savage.
Place see Tiktok is they feel like.
So much they just. Yeah, but people don't be honest
on they're not giving you the full story.
Like, I mean, I don't really know the full story of the
original, the one that was, you know, touching the grass

(25:23):
situation. But I think I believe that she
wasn't a Sydney bride. She was getting married in
Europe. Yeah.
So the rate obviously when you're going overseas, what
people don't understand is that if you are getting employed to
go overseas or Interstate or Interstate, you have to think
like if it was me, I, what factors I consider is I have a

(25:46):
shop, I've got to factor the fact that I'm going to be losing
business, I'm closing my shop. You know, there are other
obstacles that people don't understand why the rate is the
way it is. So when people comment on, Oh my
God, she charged me $1500 for whatever it was, you got to
consider that there are other things that are, it's not just

(26:08):
on the day. So I think that's where people
are not educating themselves. And I feel like this
conversation is important for that reason to educate.
But again, people are still gonna be very narrow minded and
think still are. That's still too much.
Like my everyday kind of serviceis X amount of dollars, but it's
not comparing an apple with thatapple.
I'm full transparency. Yeah, when I get into state

(26:29):
quotings, my travel fee is is pretty heavy, right.
And I I'm very much aware of it.And if brides do some brides get
it and they're like pretty much set it together.
And some brides when I'm on likeconsultations with them, I have
to explain like after flying theday before because I'm I can't
risk all do. I can't risk the chance of.
Like, you know, not rocking up to your morning prayer.
In case our bags don't. Can't fly back in Sydney after

(26:52):
the wedding. Yeah, at 11:00 PM.
So then there's a day after. So if your wedding's on
Saturday, I'm in your state Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
So not only like is the travel time and the cost of the flights
and two nights of accommodation and miscellaneous and car hire,
it's also like I can't do another wedding.
No, that's right when I'm in. Sydney I can do Friday,
Saturday, Sunday, exactly, but once you start to break it down,

(27:14):
they're actually like. But what does that come down to?
Wait a minute. And sometimes when you break it
down, you're like, am I even making the full amount?
I potentially can if I'm workingFriday, Saturday, Sunday in
Sydney, you know what I mean? But it's like, you don't, Yeah,
you don't, because you can't charge someone, you know?
Yeah. 3 weddings. But it's more the fact of like
when we are Interstate or overseas, it's the experience,

(27:36):
Yeah. And, you know, sometimes, you
know, short changing ourselves. Is is worth?
It's kind of worth the exchange.Exactly.
Yeah. Yeah, 100%.
You know what I mean? That's a good.
I think we've addressed the topic.
I think so too. I think we've debunked it.
Yeah. Yeah.
Dan, do you think we debunked it?
Yeah, yeah, listen to TikTok. Don't come for me.

(27:58):
Stick to the make up artists. Keep bullying them.
You know, you know what? Honestly, education.
Education and communication. Two key factors to resolve
anything really. What took you the longest to
master in 25 years when it comesto business or you're like make
up itself? Oh, wow.

(28:19):
Yeah. I didn't get.
I was, you know, I was ready when I was.
Running what took me the longestto master Look, I think it's
still it's still taking time, but I think mastering, you know,
a product line. Oh.
My gosh, I want to talk about that.
Yeah, I got I. Thought about it earlier but I
got sidetracked. Yeah, like you know what I think

(28:43):
when I was in the industry and like I think mastering, if we're
talking application, I think we can always like work towards
achieving like mastering something like to perfection,
like even better. Like you know, the way you do
your eyeliner or the way you apply lip, I think you can
master that or master like a seamless look.

(29:05):
So I feel like, you know, it hasn't taken me the longest, but
I think you can improve on doingthat over years, right?
But mastering Like is my line ofmakeup brushes and products that
I've launched. Why makeup brushes?
Well, it comes hand in hand withme.
So for me makeup brushes I to behonest, this is a true story.

(29:28):
I was originally looking, my first product was foundation
that I wanted and I was formulating it for a very long
time. And then I thought I put it on
pause for a while because I thought, you know what?
I started to like, think will people buy it off me?
Like I started to doubt myself. And I thought, you know what,

(29:51):
it's such a challenging industry.
Why would they buy mine and my foundation and not like a Dior
or whatever? And then I thought to myself,
no, I'm going to put that on pause.
And, and I really wanted to bring out makeup brushes for a
very long time and. You see it everywhere now.
Yeah. And look, there are so many
beautiful brands out there. But for me, I found like it was

(30:14):
very much like something for me.I wanted a really luxury line of
makeup brushes and accessories and they came probably a good
two years in the making back andforth.
And I wanted something that was going to suit my brand, like
luxury slim line. And you know, for me, I think
that's still a challenge. Like to educate people that

(30:37):
that's what we still do and that's what we provide.
And it makes me proud when I seeother people and other makeup
artists using my my brushes. Because almost every makeup.
Artist like they are honestly I'm so proud of them they are
beautiful. There is 3 Series of them, but
my first series always like the OG but we tweaked it a little
bit and yeah, we're still working.

(31:00):
Be very proud of him. Yeah, I am proud of it.
But we're still working on, like, getting it more out there
and like, you know, telling people this is what we do.
Because for me, I wanted something to still be there in
the back line. So me physically doing the
makeup. But I want my clients, whether
they're makeup artists or whether they're everyday women

(31:20):
who just want to be beautiful, to feel luxury using my brushes.
And that's the feedback I get. Would you ever tap into anything
else product wise? Not at the moment, no, no, no.
I love the fact that I've got myhand palette.
My hand palette came out like during that COVID period, like,
you know, and we created this beautiful clear hand palette and

(31:42):
I love that and the accessories of my brush boxes and stuff like
that. But I'm content with my brushes.
If anything like because I've bought out Series 3 it's
changing the style of the brush,but maybe I might like bring out
some more new shapes but at thispoint so like.
You won't tap into the world of actual like foundations not.

(32:06):
Not foundations at this point, no.
But if anything, you know, no, no one knows.
We'll see. Front like drop a little.
No. No, but I.
Can't, but I'm definitely happy with where my brushes like my
brushes and products. Are I think something's
happening? I'm going to predict it.
You don't need to say anything. Yeah, we'll see.
Yeah, we'll see when your Instagram account.
Comes by now, please come back. I'm just going to keep jabbing

(32:30):
that remind you every time. I know.
Oh please God, don't test me. I won't handle it as well as
handling it. I'd be recluse in a corner.
It is like I don't care about it.
It's just more about like the business.
Let's. Go I know it's the business, but
let's go back to before we had social media.

(32:50):
How did our business run? Like honestly, when we think
about it, how did I say so relevant in the industry in the
first like I mean, when did Instagram even start?
Like I think back in 2. When did Instagram start?
2000, Yeah, 12 years ago, so post before 12 years ago, I
mean, we're talking 25 years in the industry.

(33:10):
What were we doing before that? We were.
Doing and sorry to interrupt youyeah The thing is is it's
different now because if you're not sharing and if you're not
like reminding people about not just you're here I know, but
also showing what you're doing. I know artist, you know, like as
a photographer sometimes like I'll shoot a wedding and like it
was an incredible location or such a beautiful like I'm so

(33:31):
proud of like a certain style ofshot that I got.
If I'm not showing that, how is a bride gonna know I can take
like? My.
Style of photos which? Is a stressful situation, like
for a week now I've been offline, so I'm thinking don't
forget me. No, you can't.
But I think. You're unforgettable and.
Thanks, George. Now I think what's important as
well is it going back to, yes, people wanna see visuals of your

(33:53):
work, but I also think your business is built up on
referral. Like if you're not showing your
face or your your stuff online, I think I still believe your
reputation will still get you your, your business because
they're going to say, Oh my God,George shot this.
He was amazing. You know, whatever, whatever.

(34:16):
Yeah, the same with me. A. 1000% yeah.
You're also a teacher and a leader.
You do education, which is awesome.
And I, I'm sure that I'm not sure I know.
In fact, you're a role model to a lot of like makeup artist that
are pros now and makeup artist that are up and coming and
emerging. How do you spot talent?

(34:36):
And then beyond that point, how do you nurture it?
Look. When and think Sorry to
interrupt before you start on a tangent.
Think not just makeup, like put yourself in the mindset of like,
how can I spot a good like someone who has good talent and
how do I nurture that person forevery business?
We all have subcontractors and stuff, Yeah.

(34:57):
What's been your experience withlike that kind of topic around
your business? First and foremost, for me, I
think you it's personality. I mean, I base my business on my
personality and my craftsmanship.
So I think if when I'm educating, if I see like a

(35:18):
student who I feel communicates well and is really passionate
about what she's doing and wantsto learn, like that's the
biggest tick for me. And that's how I feel.
Most of my girls who have workedwith me have come through my
classes and I see, you know, a shining star in them.
I see that they can resonate with me and what my values are

(35:40):
and what I want to deliver out there.
Because if somebody's going to represent my brand, I want them
to be a mini. I want them to be me.
I want to clone them, but they're also free to be them
themselves. But I also want them to.
Embody all of your life, my values and values, yeah.
Exactly. I want to feel comfortable that
I know that if they're on a job,they know.
Yeah. You know what needs to be done

(36:02):
and they know that they're representing somebody elite
that's got good values behind them.
So I think personality and family values is a big thing for
me. And then the artistry, because
I, I don't think you can, I don't think you can train that.
You can train artistry, but if somebody doesn't have that
personality and that that passion inside their gut, you,

(36:26):
you can't train that. So they're going to want they're
going to want to be hungry to learn.
So and I see that in the students who have been my past
workers or current workers that yeah, I agree.
Do you know what I mean? And then, you know, them wanting
to learn is a big factor for me,you know, asking questions or

(36:47):
how do I do this and like them showing me and then mentoring
him like. And I think in the past, I used
to, and I say this with like, love and, you know, with a lot
of love, like when I give peoplefeedback, I, I because I want
them to learn and be the best version of themselves.

(37:09):
But sometimes in the past, some students have looked at it as,
oh, I'm picking on them. Yeah, but I pull them up and I
say to them, it's not, it's constructive feedback.
It's not a negative thing. But if you're going to look at
it as negative, then your mindset is, is in the wrong
place. You're not here to want to
learn. And then I asked them the

(37:31):
question, why are you here? So at the end of the day, it
does come down to the individual.
But it's like the drive for me, yeah.
Yeah, mine is work ethic. Work.
Yeah. Feel.
Like I feel like you can if you have that right mindset, but
that comes. Down.
Yeah, of course. But doesn't that come down to
your values? Your, you know, your passion

(37:52):
like you want to like, get thereand be the best version of
yourself. That's that's what I look.
How do you nurture it? How do I nurture it?
Yeah, when you have like. You constantly are there by
their side pulling them up if they haven't, if it's not done
right, Like I'm a perfectionist in that sense.
Like I will make sure that, you know, if somebody's going to be

(38:13):
on my team and I'm working with them.
And even if they sent like to the point, like if they're
posting photos, like I talk to them about how their positioning
of their photo is like, I'm not shy to sort of say to them, you
know, that photo doesn't do yourwork justice.
So like maybe take it down, redosomething better lighting,
better angles, like, because forme, if you're not going to

(38:35):
nurture everything, every aspectof what they're doing that's
going to represent them and yourbusiness, then you're doing
something wrong. Do you believe that the new
generation is is missing anything fundamentally that's a?
It's a it's a sensitive topic that one.
Look, yes, I do in some in some ways because I think some of

(39:01):
the, and I'm not saying anyone around me, but I think sometimes
people think, oh, I'm getting into it.
I'm going to make money overnight.
I'm, you know, going to be in and out.
And this is where the the differences of your years of
experience with the industry than these, you know, newcomers,

(39:25):
they're in and out. So what?
Do you mean by in and out? Like I'm in doing a job and then
I'm out. So it's a transactional thing.
Yeah, that's gone down again. Every time they speak about
something fiery, she's there to remind us.
No, what's the question again? I think I got sidetracked.
Do you feel like the new generation is missing anything

(39:47):
fundamentally? Look, yes and no, yes and no,
yes and no. Like I just think some of the
newcomers, they think that they're just going to be, you
know, like they want to just think that they're going to be

(40:08):
making money overnight and they're going to be like insta
famous overnight. Yeah.
But I think they've got, they forget to to, I think they
forget to stay humble. And just really, you know what,
you're not going to be an overnight success.
You've got to work from the bottom and work your way up.
And you can't like you just, I don't think it's just my

(40:31):
industry. I think anything, you can't just
be like, you know, you've just started and then all of a sudden
you're going to be like an elite.
It comes with any industry, whether it's, you know,
photography, bridal makeup artist, hairdressers, you, you
start from the bottom. Side of the industry.
Building game like you're going to start from the bottom in the
hospital and then you work your way up you.
Don't become chef right away. You become kitchen hands and

(40:53):
then you become sous chef and then it's like, never, you know
what I mean? And The thing is, when people
start off and I'll go back to money, they think that, you
know, they've got a year of experience.
They feel that they can charge, you know, $200 for a, a special
event makeup, like who again, it's totally on them if they
want to charge that. And good luck to them if if

(41:15):
they're getting it. But at the end of the day, what
you got to think of is you got to look at your surroundings as
well. You can't just be charging, you
know, 150 or $200 if you've juststarted.
Yeah. And you've only had like a year
of experience. Like what's your clientele base,
you know, like all that sort of stuff.
Like, I just think people, yeah,I don't want to say anymore.

(41:39):
That's fine, I respect it. It's a lesson learned for all of
us. Sometimes we just need to
retract. Love that classy lady.
Classy gal. Wait Anne off off work topic.
Let's think about Anne. OH.
My God, me. Not the makeup artist.
What about? What has what has life taught

(41:59):
you? Whether it's been works
influence families, influence the world's influence what has
what has, what has changed you the most?
What has changed me the most? Yeah, in a positive or negative
way. Well, look, I'm generally a
positive person. Like all the time.
No shit, Sherlock. No, look, there are some

(42:23):
situations that are negative, but like I oh.
Yeah, I've been on the floor forthat situation.
But I'm generally a positive person.
Like there are things that people don't know about me that,
that I say. What has changed me is you have
a cross to Curry and sometimes people don't know what you're
battling, right. But I always look at it and I

(42:47):
think there are people worse off.
This is like an emotional topic for me.
So at the end of the day, I, I don't like, I, I don't feel
comfortable when I get compliments given to me.
And I feel very honoured to get compliments, but I feel like,
let me take a breath. Take your time.

(43:18):
OK, my achievements. Is that the question?
What's changed me? What's changed me?
Yeah, I'm just trying to think if I should be bringing this up.

(43:41):
Look, what's changed me is when you if.
You're not comfortable to talk about.
It no I am OK. OK.

(44:13):
I hate you. You don't make me cry.
Sorry. Listen, my dad changed me.
That's OK. Look, everybody loses somebody

(44:33):
they love in their life. But you know what you do, you
learn to you learn to accept it.And you also like, at the end of
the day, it's also a positive thing.
You know, you lose them, but youalso look at the fact that you
don't want them here if they're suffering, right?

(44:57):
So that I feel like has changed me as a person because I never
want to take life for granted. And that's something that I
always live strong for. I've also also, I've also also,
I've also had and I've been battling like a health issue for

(45:17):
probably 20-6 years that nobody knows about.
I'm so sorry to hear. No, there's nothing to be sorry
about because at the end of the day, like I said, you have a
cross to carry and you choose toeither learn to accept what you
have and move forward with it, or you can crumble and feel
sorry for yourself, right? So like, I don't think it's

(45:40):
known in the industry because I think what I don't like, I love
talking about it because I feel like I will inspire people and I
know a few people know about my condition.
But I think what's changed me asa person is making sure you you
show up every day. Overcome it.

(46:01):
Overcome it. Lead by example.
I have kids who I want them to see me as an inspiration.
I feel like I want people to look at me as an inspiration.
And you know, and I'll tell you like, I mean, I'm in a good
place, thank God. But it's a silent disease that
nobody knows because like you know when you see, I don't know

(46:24):
if you know much about Ms, but it's.
Dude, you have. Ms Yeah, I have Ms Sorry to
hear. There's nothing to be sorry
about. I need a tissue 'cause my nose
is gonna. Daniel, sorry were.
You sorry. Didn't know this about you.
Yeah, and that's the thing. That's that's why it's a silent
disease. No one knows what is happening

(46:45):
on the inside. Like, I mean, I don't know if
people know much about Ms, but it can be a physical thing, but
it can also be an internal thing.
So it's like, you know, demyelination of your central
nervous system. But you know, I've had it for 27
years now and it was in the partin the beginning of when, you

(47:06):
know, I was getting, you know, my business up and running.
But I never let it define me. I honestly, I never let it
define me. I've never allowed it to rule
me. And at the end of the day, if I,
I've had bad days, but nobody knows because it's behind close
all. But I think what's, you know,

(47:29):
besides the fact of my incredible family supporting me,
I think my attitude, my positiveoutlook is what's got me to
where I am. Like, I'm not one to feel sorry
for myself. Do you know what I mean?
I like to say, Yep, I was in denial for a very long time when
I first got diagnosed. And that was after having my

(47:49):
kids. And I obviously relapsed after
each child, which is probably why we chose to have only two.
And thank God I had. I have two incredible kids.
Incredible. I love them to death.
Incredible kids. They are.
Who are so incredibly talented? Both.
Of them, they are honestly, they're my everything.

(48:12):
So for me, I wanted to be healthy for them.
And we, you know, we made well, we made a lot of sacrifices.
I made a lot of change in my life to thank you so much.
Sorry to trouble you, Daniel. I'm so sorry, Daniel.
Well, Daniel was probably searching where I stole my
tissue boxes. I'm so sorry.
Sorry. Don't be sorry.

(48:33):
Thank you. I love you, Ann.
I love you more. OK.
All right. You OK?
Yeah, I'm. I'm good.
Honestly, I'm good. I think that.
I don't know why. It just.
I feel like I was a bit hesitanttalking about it because my
biggest thing is I don't want pity.

(48:53):
I've never wanted pity. And I don't.
If anything, I want people to look at this as inspirational
because nothing defines you. No illness defines you, OK, no
matter what it is. So you learn to live with it and
you battle when you do, but you just keep moving forward.

(49:15):
So I think I I've just lost my thought.
No, I think you've perfectly kind of put that all together.
I'm so honoured you shared that.Yeah, I'm sure there's gonna
look some people that like get inspired by that or like find
change in that as well. And we'll stay.
It's easy to talk about. No, it's not.
But I think, I think what's my, my biggest when you say

(49:36):
achievement is inspiring people and honestly for and helping
people like besides my makeup industry, I, I do get people who
have reached out to me who have battled Ms and, and I know my
biggest thing is helping them get through it.

(49:59):
Like whether it's just talking to them, supporting them, giving
them the you, you've got this. You can do it.
Like, you know, educating them on, you know, my journey and
what I did to get to where I am today, staying healthy, staying
fit, you know, again, education is everything.
Freaking hell. Every everything's.

(50:19):
And you have always been so inspirational.
I don't know if you know this. I don't.
I don't think you know how much everyone I know, everyone's
going to be nodding their head when I say this, feel this about
you. I was just like, in my mind,
this little kid shooting a wedding when I first got a job.
And you didn't even know who I am.

(50:39):
And you were like, welcoming, gave me time.
You'd always give people time. And it's like, you see, like
anyone in the room, you have time and space for them.
It's not, but it's not. One, that's not common.
It's very, very rare for people to be like that.
Two, it's not something that youneed to be.
You just are that person internally.

(51:01):
Give a lot of yourself, which takes out a lot in you that
people don't see because you have so much fucking energy.
I know it is good and bad Sometimes you know it's you're
incredible. Too much and then you.
Get hurt 100%. But again, it's a journey, you
know, you go through that you, you learn from the hurt because
of your kindness. But I will never change who I
am. Like if I give too much, I

(51:23):
always say, you know what, it's a learning lesson.
If you get hurt by giving too much, it's a learning lesson.
If you you share too much and you get hurt by it, it's a
learning lesson. So at the end of the day, we
will never stop learning. Whether it's health wise,
business, personality, I will never stop learning, but I will

(51:45):
never change who I am because somebody else feels
uncomfortable. Period.
If you don't like my loudness, too bad.
What's something like this? Well, the next segment of the
podcast is called Amy's segment.Oh.
My God, my daughter. Yes.
Now my son will get upset. Well, I did.
Message her and I was like. You didn't.

(52:06):
Yeah, of course, Amy's segment you.
Didn't. Yeah, Little.
Shit didn't tell me. Yeah, well, I told him not to
tell you. Oh my God, I'm going to.
Use my phone because me and Amy were pretty much going through
today. Today.
Yeah, and I was, I told her. I told her I'm like, you can ask
your brother, but I don't think there was like time for me
because I just, he sprung upon me.
I literally, honestly I'm nervous.

(52:27):
Now. I was like, I need to ask Amy to
ask a question like, you know if.
My daughter. Yeah, I want, I want her to ask
her mum a question. Right.
Oh. So she's asking the question.
Yeah. I asked Amy.
Oh. My God, now I'm going to get
waterworks. I asked Amy to ask questions
that she would want mum to answer.
OK, like anything I said, it could be anything.
Say that again. I said, I said ask me anything

(52:49):
that you would want to hear fromyour mum.
Like you, you'd want something to know about from your mum,
right? Why doesn't she just ask me?
Because why not have her recorded and documented for the
rest of her life? Nice.
A little bit of her time capsule.
She goes. I've got 4.
You can pick your favourites. Oh.
Dear OK, I'm. Just probably going to ask all
four. OK.
What moment in your life made you feel most proud of yourself,

(53:12):
not as a mum, but just as you? Oh well it be not as a mum.
OK, well I'm glad she didn't saythat because then I'll be like
in tears. I think what makes me proud is
overcoming like my health issuesis my biggest thing.

(53:32):
Obviously opening up my shop like that was a massive
achievement for me. And you know what, like I was so
content not having a shop. But my husband, God love him.
He honestly, he is my cheerleader.
My whole family is my cheerleaders.
But like, he was the one that sort of pushed me, you know,
like, and I, I never like to say, Oh my God, I am who I am.

(53:56):
But he's like, you've got a nameout there.
You need a shop like get out there.
I was quite happy with my beautiful home studio, you know,
So I think achieving that together.
And I'll say together because without him I couldn't have done
it so. That's what you're proud of?
Yeah, you should be so proud. There are so many other things

(54:18):
that I'm proud of. OK, so not as a mother because I
could be forever. So what other achievements?
Having my makeup, my brush line is another big achievement for
me. And I think it's so I think
people feel like, you know, whenyou develop a brand, you think
it's so easy. It's not.
There are so many things that come in.

(54:40):
And you know, what I'm also proud of is that like I've done
this and I don't say alone because when I say alone, my
family is part of this, but I'vedone this genuinely on my own
with the support of my family, but without having, you know,
external people helping me with it.
Like, you know, your marketing, your all that sort of stuff.

(55:03):
I've literally done this on my own.
Yeah, like no PR. No PR No.
Massive team behind. You I started this on my own and
I I worked my ass off to get where I am and and I'm still
going to work my ass off becausethat's just who I am I like to
challenge myself constantly yeahso I hope that makes Amy proud

(55:23):
and my. Kids.
Amy, we hope that makes that that answers your question.
I like this question. If I was going to pick one, this
is going to be it. OK.
If you could relive one day fromyour past just to feel it again,
what day would it be and why? Oh.
My God, Amy, why is she so deep?Such a good question.
Can you rate that again? If you could relive one day from

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your past just to feel it again,which day would it be and why?
Well, it's not just one day. I'd love to relive getting
married again to my husband. We're coming up to 30 years this
year. You get less for murder these
days. Yeah.

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Honestly, finding my husband waslike amazing.
He's just the most amazing man. What an.
Exile. So I'd love to relive that day.
So Sam, if you're listening to this podcast, there's 30 years
coming, so maybe we can renew our vows.
Have a. Little bit of diamonds.
There, you know what? Diamonds for me is nothing.
I think for me it's not. I'm not materialistic.

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I just think it's just. A nice.
Building memories. Building memories for me is
everything. You know, I used to love taking
photos and everything and everyone would be like, Oh my
God, stop taking photos. But you know what?
When you look back at those photos, you think like me being
so annoying. How good is that a photo?
Shoot, yeah, me, you, Sam, the beach.

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Yeah. Sunset.
OK. Champagne.
Yeah, let's do it. Approval of, Yeah.
He's like, this guy came up withthe worst idea ever.
I'm just, I'm taking the piss. And going off that as well, I
mean, that was a beautiful part of my life.
But you know what? Is there a day though?
Like can you, can you just like try to just for Amy to, to

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understand and like, you know, just your family?
There's like 1 moment that just flushes into your mind first
thing that just like you can just really picture.
Like I don't want to put it on adowner but I would save more
time with my dad. Like we life is so busy and we
honestly don't realise until youlose somebody the value of your

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family. I.
Mean it's scared I'm going to goto the next question because I
don't want to. I don't want to like, torture
you, man. It's been a fucking week.
This is Monday, and you know what I always tell my bride?
You look ugly when you cry, so I'm not going to be nervous.

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But yeah, if we could time, honestly just appreciate time
because it goes so fast. Amen.
What's something you see in yourkids that reminds you of
yourself? Oh, OK, that's a happy one.
What? Is it what's something you see
in your kids that reminds you ofyourself?
Like when you look at Amy or youlook at your son, you're like,

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that's so me. OK, they're honestly their
personalities, their life, but it's not just me.
Like they are a reflection of both my husband and I like when
people say Amy's a mini version of me.
I see that. But she's also got a lot of
characteristics about of her with her dad and the same with

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my my husband, my son. I'm going to say the dog as
well. Oh my God, Cooper's got to be
involved in this one. Yeah, my kids, They're, I love
this. Their personalities, they're the
way they light up a room honestly is like, that's a
reflection of both my husband and I just they're, they're just

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them. What's something about yourself
that you think might drive otherpeople a little crazy, even if
you secretly think it's justified?
Oh my God, OK well that questions coming from Amy but
that I think is justifiable but the secretly annoys people.

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Yeah. Well, it's my personality
probably. It's you know what?
It's actually The thing is, it comes from a place of love,
right? I can be really annoying when I
keep like if I see like my kids or my husband like upset or
they've had like a a shit day. Like I'm the type of person.

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Oh, am I allowed to say that word shit?
Yeah. You can say fucking shit.
Shit, yeah. When I see them down, I like to
find out why I want to help them.
But sometimes they internalise things and they keep it inside
and I'm like pestering them like, hey, what's wrong?
Like, you know, and I don't like.
Respect their boundaries in the sense of.

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Me right now. In in the sense of like.
Is that you as well? I know it but.
It's, it's a place of love. Like I just want to know that I
can help them. I want to help them if they're,
if there's something bothering them.
But also sometimes I need to understand that they want to
probably sort it out themselves.But I just like to like be
persistent. Just say like, what's wrong?

(01:00:29):
Yeah. Until the point that they'll be
like, just back off. Yeah, so I think that's probably
the annoying part of it. But if it is, it's it's just
just some other thing. I just want to protect my
children. Yeah, I wanna make sure that
they're happy and. It's totally justified.
Yeah, yeah, Amy, like I'm obsessed with my kids.
I really AM. Do you do you have a singing

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voice like Amy or where did she get that from?
Oh, she's definitely not me. Like I will crack windows with
my voice. I don't even know lyrics
sometimes, Amy says to me. I wish you could just like know
the lyrics if this of the song. Where did she get that from?
From my husband, like he has OK,he has got that's how he
serenaded me. He sings like I swear to God,
his voice is incredible. I wish he would actually sing

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more, but he loves it when he has a sketch, you know, a Scotch
or something gets a bit loose. He'll sing some really beautiful
tunes, but he's. She's yeah, it's.
The Hazarati gene, the Hazarati gene have got that beautiful
vocal. My niece Natalie as well has
like incredible voice. Like it's, it's their genes.
I wish my daughter would sing more.

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Yeah, yeah, she's. Whenever I see a video I'm like
holy. Shit, she's incredible.
Can I just say off topic? Yeah, The funniest thing I ever
saw online in the last week was I don't know if it was Amy that
uploaded it or Natalie that uploaded it, but, you know, out
for dinner. And they're like my mum when she
wants perfect lighting and he's in a restaurant.
And you're right, it's. Me, my daughter.

(01:01:54):
So that was. The funniest video, I said, you
know what I'm gonna do? That's gonna be this.
That's gonna be the story that drops the day episode drops.
Like I'm just gonna be pressing that tick tock carry out.
Little light with us everywhere.I know my daughter was getting
anxiety. She's like.
Reaction was actually like usually was gonna like explode.
No, I can be embarrassing sometimes, but you know, it's.

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A funniest. Thing about I don't change.
It's like, no, it's. Like shit and.
It's really nice and we're catching up with the with our
girl cousins and we're at a beautiful restaurant in some in
town, but it was really dark. Yeah, and they always need.
Our July baby birthdays and theywere taking photos and it was so
dark. I go hold on, hold on, hold on.
And then I just come out with this light and.

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Bride will make a bite to see you.
Flooded the the whole restaurant.
Yeah, it's. That's hilarious.
Yeah, she's funny. It was this has been amazing
ohh. Thank you like you've been.
Chatting to her for like 2 minutes.
This is what life with Annie is always like.
Thank you. I'm gonna end off for.
Having me, honestly. My honour, are you drinking me?
I'm gonna end off with this, okay?

(01:02:57):
Play a game of. Cards.
Yeah, it's play play a couple ofrounds of cards, but I'm going
to also end off with a note to the loyal listeners that have
made it one this far into the episode.
No, thank you for staying and listening.
See how kind she is? I've never thanked them once.
You make me look like an asshole.
Thanks guys. I love you all, but just I'm
going to use your airtime a little bit. 2 seconds.
But essentially, this is the last episode where we're going

(01:03:18):
to record in this studio. Oh.
Well. Yeah.
So we're moving, I think. Yeah, thank you.
But I just thought I'd plug thatin and just.
Good. I'll make a I'll make a formal
announcement, but I'm so excitedfor the new space and good.
Luck. I'm so happy for you and I'm
proud of you and your achievements as well, Mr George.

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But it's going to be sad not recording in this space.
I've had this. This is my my day.
This is my day one. Bigger amount of things.
But I'm honoured that it's, it'swith you.
Thank you. It's someone who was a part of
my day one. Thank you.
So it's like a, it's like a fullcircle moment for me really.
All right. Oh, what am I doing picking
picking a card? Yeah.
Let me just slot that in somewhere so it's fair.

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Read it out loud. Oh, OK, I don't have my glasses
on. OK, what are you?
Would you like me to read it foryou, Ian?
Oh, OK, what are you proud of but never had the excuse to talk
about? Well, I think I've already
spoken about it in Now I. Was about to say I feel like

(01:04:26):
we've addressed. This question, we've already
addressed this. Let's go for another.
Question. Let's go for another question.
We'll keep everyone entertained.Yeah, let's do another one.
Oh my God, I don't like this question.
What do I love about myself? Oh no, that's oh God, no, I'm
not me. I'm going to pick one for.

(01:04:47):
You oh, what are these questions?
I know so not an end question. No, definitely not.
OK, I'm not going to ask this question.
You're not going to ask. I'm going to say it because,
like, the listener's going to belike, what are they doing?
OK, But it's going to be emotional, so don't answer it.
All right, but what's the most pain that you've ever been in
that wasn't physical? Most pain is losing Dad.

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Yeah, yeah. We went, I'm going to do one
more because it's just. OK, let's go for the round four
also. Very let.
Me ask you a question, I how about I ask you a question?
OK, sure. We'll do that.
OK, so I don't know if the listeners know, but I actually
did your beautiful wife's wedding and you make I know it

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was the best. Listen, I think you know a
monkey like can do her makeup because she's so beautiful.
She is gorgeous. Oh, she is gorgeous.
I think for me, like coming fromyour perspective, or maybe
Alexia needs to answer. This is what makes you choose my
services. This.
Let's see if she answers. Yeah, let's answer because like,

(01:05:57):
I get it when brides tell me, but I think from a vendor, like,
it's nice to know what comes. She's probably putting a child
to sleep right now or like, you know, Andre is probably pulling
her hair. But.
She's not going to answer no. Alex, Alexia, can you answer a
question? We're live on the podcast.

(01:06:19):
OK, so Anne's asked, What did you ask?
Hi Alexia. Hi darling.
Now I was just asking George, it'd be nice.
Like 4 years ago I did your wedding makeup.
I want to know from your view what made you pick my services
for your day. I think I like firstly, I loved

(01:06:44):
your personality. I connected with you as a human
and I wanted you. I wanted you to be part of my
day. And secondly, your talent and
your makeup just lasted. Like I think I used you for my
engagement and my three wedding shoot.
Yeah. My Lily, Yeah.

(01:07:05):
I love you, I think. I had like 2 weddings in between
that. Yeah.
And you were the first professional makeup artist that
actually did my makeup. Oh.
Right, never. I'm going to interrupt this.
She helped George. Interrupt for the engagement,
George, I just realised because it's a surprise.
She had no idea that's right, but she and Ellie, surprise, I
did. Have no idea it was my choice

(01:07:27):
afterwards. OK, Thank you.
I love you. Thank you.
I love you. Bye babe.
OK, but see, personality came always.
There you go. I just feel like when I think I
booked you for the proposal, I could just trust you.
Yeah, thank. You and.
It was such, it was such A and look where we are today.

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She's. Not like a girly girl.
Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, she's not like a girl
that, like, does her makeup. Yeah, on a daily basis.
And then you just like should want someone who she feels
natural and like herself and notlike a face up, You know what I
mean? Yeah, exactly.
Anyways. Thank you.
Thank you for having me, George,and thank you for everyone
listening. We love you guys, appreciate it
and have a beautiful weekend. And congratulations on your next

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podcast in your new place I. I guess, but also let's just
manifest that you get your insane.
Back, let's do. This episode drops we.
I know, please. But if it doesn't.
We'll repost it. I love you, Wayne.
Love you too, thank you for having me.
Bye everyone, thank. You love you.
Seeing us.