March 7, 2023 • 39 mins
Becky Watts was sitting in her room one day listening to music, until evil entered.
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Hello, I'm welcome to Crime Diverse. I'm Laura and I'm Jill. Welcome
to today's episode. Hello everybody,Thanks, we're joining us once again,
or if you're near here, welcometo our podcast. So Jill, where
we are in the UK and thetitle of your case today related to evil
you just had? Just I don'tknow, like a really blank look on
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her face. They are related toevil? Yes, interesting title. Shall
we just dive in? Yeah,let's dive in. Rebecca Marie Watts,
known as Becky, was born inBristol on the third of June ninety eight.
Two parents, Tanya and Darren,and they already had a son,
Daniel, who was two years olderthan Becky. Her mom and dad split
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up when she was a baby,so and Becky and Dan stayed with her
mum at first, but then theywent to live with their dad, Darren
Goldsworthy, when Becky was two andDan was four. So Darren their dad.
He had met a woman called Angiewhen Becky was she was a baby,
like she's not about six months oldor something, and they fell in
love. Angie had a son froma previous relationship called Nathan Matthews, who
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was twelve years older than Becky.But Angie treated all three kids to say,
you know, she took on Darren'stwo kids, had to her kids
or good. So the kids andthe kids also like just treated each other
like brothers and sisters. You know. I think Nathan, though, the
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Angie's son, I thought he likebecause he was like twelve years older.
I think he was kind of theyweren't, you know, like just saw
the younger two is kind of theannoyance little kids. So it wasn't really
that interested. But they had justa normal relationship, you know. It
wasn't it wasn't particularly close, butit wasn't bad or anything like that,
you know. Yeah, So Beckywas really close to her dad and her
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stepmom and Jie and like they wereactually best friends. Like her and her
stepmom were like so close. AndAngie even took an unpaid teacher's assistant job
at Becky's primary school because Becky wasso shy and she didn't want to be
away from her like when she wasyoung. She just Becky just sort of
kind of need her constant reassurance andshe just I always wanted to be with
somebody and she just she just didn'thave any confidence and all that. So
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yeah, so I mean her stepmomto do that, it's pretty amazing.
Definitely. Becky didn't have a greattime at high school. She was bullied
regularly and one time, like thebullies even ripped her jacket off her back.
Oh I hate bullies so much.And Angie like she did she did
Obviously she complained to the school andwhatnot, but I actually just made things
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worse for Becky. And the billioncontinued. And Becky was like such a
lovable kid, and when she criedat home about her like having no friends,
her parents just couldn't understand how becauseas I said, she was just
like with them, she was justa lovable child. She just wanted people,
what friends, what people like herand um. And she was struggling,
she was shy, she was beingbullied, and she struggled with a
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body image. So she was diagnosedwith an eating disorder and social anxiety,
which led her to relying on Angieeven more and she ended up for a
while anyway, she ended up havingaffear of leaving the house. So Aaron,
Aaron, that was Angie and Darrenthat was yeah, that's to get
her name. Aaron, Angie andDarren. They were determined to help Becky
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through it. And Darren said quote, Becky was bullied about her weight and
we almost lost her to Anna Exa, but with a lot of care from
us in hospital education, we wereable to get her back. Becky back.
Unfortunately, when Becky was thirteen,Angie was diagnosed with having a multiple
school sclerosis and he was going tostruggle to say that. And she so
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she started having trouble like moving aroundthe house, like moving around and like
doing her like household tasks. SoBecky started helping her around the house and
like taking a gie out in herwheelchair and just really doing what she could
to help Angie and her dad.Dad could take the load off Darren a
bit. So you know, shewas a good kid. She was.
Yeah, So Darren asked Angie tomarry him when Becky was fifteen, and
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they I thought this was also socute that they trusted Becky to choose the
outfits for the wedding party. Soshe chose Angie's wedding dress. She chose
the bridesmaids dresses. She told eventold us, like her dad, the
groom and his best man and everybodychose what everybody was wearing because she was
she was getting like quite any fashion. So the color theme for the wedding
was blue because that was Becky's favoritecolor. So I thought it was so
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by the time Becky was sixteen,her older brothers Nathan and Dad and it
had moved out, so it wasjust Becky, her dad, and her
step on living in the two storyhouse in Saint George on the east side
of Bristol. So by this point, like Nathan, her children, it
his own and his partner Shana mshe actually became Angie's full time carer,
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so they weren't living there, butyou know, she would come in.
She would do things about who's whereI look after and stuff, So they
were there every day, and likeyou know, Dan, I'm a shimming
she visited regularly as well. Youknow, it's the normal family. Yeah.
So Becky she was at a differentschool by now, and she was
happy. She had friends, likeshe had a really close knit group of
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friends and she wasn't getting bullied anymore. So, but because of what had
happened to her, she didn't wantanyone else feeling like that. So she
would actually spend like her break timesand that like talking and giving advice to
other kids who were like struggling tofit in. So I thought, how
nice she just goes to show whata lovely, totally negative experience in her
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life to try and prevent it fromThat's nice. She said that she just
didn't want anybody to feel the waythat she felt, so she got her
sell a boyfriend called Luke ober Handsley. He was seventeen, because she was
sixteen at this point. He wasseventeen and he was a trainee car mechanic.
Darren and Angie liked him and hewas friendly and polite, so they
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approved of the relationships. Like theysaid, he treated Becky with respect,
you know, yeah, that's great. Oh good. So by February two
thousand and fifteen, they've been togethera few months, and they spent as
much time together as the kid.And when they weren't together, they're dolls.
Like the texting each other, youknow, they were all pretty much
always in contact. So in themorning of the nineteenth of February twenty and
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fifteen, Becky and Luke were textingeach other. He was in his house,
and she told him that she wasat her house and she was in
her room listening to music. SoLuke, sorry, I'm sorry, I
just had to clear my thought there. Luke, he did actually had thought
about a visiting her, but hehad appointments at the dentist and the barbers.
He's like, I'll just wait tilllater. I'll got my appointments first,
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um, and then I'll see herlater. So Becky last text Luk
at eleven h three that morning,and then Luke went to the dentist and
the text Becky at twelve or ninesaying that's that's been done about the dentist,
and she didn't text back straight away, which was unusual because usually you
know, teenager's phone at the side. Yeah. Yeah. He didn't think
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too much about it, like,oh, maybe she's at the toilet or
just having a shower or something likethat. But when she still hadn't replied
half an hour later, it mustn'tbeen getting kind of what's going on here,
So it texts her again to tryand get her attention, but nothing.
At twelve forty six, he messagedoil excuse me, but she she
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didn't respond, and he messaged heragain saying OI. Half an hour later
are but again silence. So Icare, you know, as normal,
He's like, right, try tothink about rational explanation. So he's like,
right, okay, maybe like maybeshe's taking a nap, So it's
like, right, I'll just wait, wait a little while. Um,
so she texts back, but it'snever texts back again, so he had
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texts her again saying hello again nothing, So you wanted to get his haircut,
and then after that, at threepm, he checked his phone and
Becky still hadn't got back to him, so he tried calling her, but
it went straight to voicemail. SoI thought, right, Nobe, her
phone batter has died, and that'swhy she hadn't answered the texts. Yeah,
of course, because you don't thinkthat they don't thinkable could happen exactly.
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So yeah, trying to rationalize that, I'm thinking, this is what,
Yeah, and you don't want tobe like, oh, I'm just
going tondit here. I'm totally overthinkingthings, and you know, because most
of the time you are, youthink, oh my god, something's happened,
and then it turns out to beabsolutely nothing, you know. Um,
So obviously that's the way that he'sthinking. But then by five o'clock
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he decided to go over to Becky'shouse because he was like, nap,
something's not right here, Gonna goand check in on her. So he
knocked on the door and Shana,her brother, Nathan's girlfriend answered. So
remember Nathan is this step step siblingm and Seana was the career for her
and so she was there. Sohe asked me, you know, is
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Becky in? And she was like, oh, I don't know. So
she kind of shouted to Handy,She's like, is um Becky here?
And she was like, oh,I don't know, and she said,
neither of him is seeing Becky orafter him. So Sean and upstairs to
see her. Becky was in herroom, she wasn't. And she usually
did tell her parents where you know, where she was going and who she
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was with. But sometimes she didleave the house without telling anyone. So
it wasn't unheard of that she didn'tknow somewhere. Yeah, so I was
her parents weren't too worried. Shenever went too far away, and she
wasn't with Luke then. She wasalways with her close group of friends who
they knew and they trusted. Theyknew all of them, trusted them all.
As I said, they were justa small group of close knit friends.
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So a lot of the fact thatBecky wasn't answering techs did strike them
as odd because it was out ofcharacter. And Luke said that Becky knew
he was coming over that day.She didn't know when he was coming over,
but she knew it was something.Yeah, So why would you go
out like she never castled their planswithout letting him no. But you know,
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they pushed the concerts in the backof their minds as of course she
would Yeah, something simple and nothing'swrong, and they shared themselves. You
know, she'll be home, soand you know what, it's all good.
You know, she's she's her phoneran out the battery. You know.
However, you know, she didn'tcome home, so I paint at
the thought she'd probably just spent thenight at a friend's house. And I'm
assuming they were probably pissed off thatshe hadn't let them know. But you
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know, when she they're probably gonnabe like, right, but she gets
home, like she's she's in trouble, I'm going through. But when she
hadn't arrived home by the following afternoon, they were like, there's something wrong
here, And like Darren and herdad, he'd actually went to work and
the next game day not really figuredtoo much of it. But then Angie
phoned phoned him at work, andI was like, look, all Becky's
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friends had actually all turned up ather house because they were worried by now,
because nobody to tear from her.And I thought that just goes to
show what good friends that she had. So they had all turned up at
the house and said to Angie,look, we think something's going on here.
So Andrew was like, right,phone Darren. So Darren came home
because nobody had heard from her forover or twenty four hours now, and
our pals had been texting her phoneand her checking Facebook like to see if
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she'd posted, but just silence.She'd never gone this long without speaking to
anyone. And it was like,yeah, she was a typical teenager in
kuby moody and fall out with herparents like a normal sixteen year old,
but overall she was a sense ofall trustworthy girl and not the time to
just disappear without a word. Sothey're like, right, I think we
need to call the police totally.So Darren's phoned the police to report Becky
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missing and search started, so hundredsof place across two counties search for her
with no luck. The police turnedto the media for helps. Her disappearance
was like on the front page,you know, the papers and the news.
Her dad and our grand held apress conference in her grand She she
was still sort of you know,in denial, like no, no,
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that's happening. You she's just stayingsomewhere. She's maybe took the huff and
she's just hasn't been so yeah,she's went off and just staying at somebody's
house. So all our friends arethere, so well, yeah, like
where would she be whose house?It must be somebody they don't know if
that's the case. Yeah, butshe said, I think, as I
said, you know, you dokind of put it up. You try
and come up with excuses exactly,Yeah, try to cocause a wo could
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have happened, right actually, likefeeling the worst. So she the grand
said at at the press conference,quote, you're so loved, and I
don't think you believe it. Youreally are so loved. Look at your
poor dad. Please come home orwhoever is shelter sheltering her, do the
right thing. Thank you, Andand I was like, but she did
say later though, that was probablyjust worshol thinking of our part that Becky
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was staying somewhere, you know,trying to think there must be our just
a fine reason why she's not home, so you don't want to think,
like of all the worst things thatcould happen. So police interviewed everyone calls
to Becky for any information that couldhelp them to find her, Like,
you know, what did she liketo do, what social media did she
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use when it's like to go,how did she usually communicate with each person,
like just to see if there wasanything out of the ordinary before she
disappeared. So as Shana and Nathan, our stepbrother and his partner with the
last people see Becky on that Thursdaymorning, the police interviewed them both separately
to get as much information from themas possible. Shana was asked to tell
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them about that day. So shehad said that, you know, she'd
Rank and Jae to say she wasgoing to be in that day, and
she had said that she was goingto a hospital appointment, So they went
over to be there like sort forwhen Angie came back from her hospital appointment.
So when Angie came home, sheI was kind of a bit confused
by this because when look It cameto the door looking for Becky, they
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didn't know if she was in ornot, you know, But according to
Shauna, she said, when Angiecame home, she asked if Becky was
in, and Shauna told her thatshe turned the door slam earlier, so
she must have gone out. Soyou think that she would have said that
when well, well, well,I suppose she could have thought, oh,
maybe she just came back since then, I suppose. But Nathan,
he said that he also heard thefront door slam, so he also assumed
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that Becky it's gone. That wasthat was Becky going out. So the
version of events that they gave herthe same. You know, they fit
together really conveniently and really neatly,but maybe a bit too conveniently. Yes,
the officers thought to themselves, they'vetalked to each other and they've got
their stories straight, so that,you know, that was definitely suspicious.
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So and the way that Shauna presentedherself was strange, like she was Glenn
like lighthearted and didn't seem to betaking situations seriously. And Nathan came across
as being fairly unconcerned. It wasjust sort of leaning back in his chair,
very relaxed, very comfortable, sometimeseven laughing and joking even though he's
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on a police station. I'm like, I'm sorry if I was in a
police station, no matter what thesituation was, exactly nervous, still be
nervous. I looked through security andan airport and feel nervous because I think
I look guilty because that's sometimes Ithink like people can like twist like your
words and stuff. So I askedme a question and the way I've answered
it makes me look like I'm guilty, but I'm actually not, and I
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just I would get that. Oreven just the way that you're carrying yourself
like these the way that they werecarrying themselves. That's what made I'm suspicious,
you know, him being relaxed,she was lighthearted, and just imagine
if you were like that, evenif you haven't done anything wrong, that's
sure nature that I see a policemanand I'll just freeze. I'm like,
I'm I don't like I always likeI Also, I think I just feel
like I'm excited, guilty, guiltyahead and I'm like, I'm I would
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dine everything. You just feel likeyou've done something. That's why when we
used to go on holiday and bringback the cheap cigarettes that when we take
would bring back more than we wereallowed to and John used to hate it.
It used to make me walk awayfrom him. Would be like,
right, you walk ahead of me, I'm not with you, because I
would just look guilty and just engagedthe security stopped me. He was like,
I don't know where. Yeah,I'm just authority scares me. I'm
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not I'm not like how so soyeah, I mean yeah, I couldn't
imagine like that. But after twohours, I went with you in a
couple of place. Didn't have anytangible evidence other than that they sensed that
they were hiding something. But Iwas like, that's not enough to know
you didn't have some Yeah, exactly. So the turn to the to the
town, to the forensics team andsent them to Becky's house is obviously that's
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the last place that she was seen. So they actually did find blood that
wasn't it was able the naked nakedeye on the doorframe to Becky's room.
So some of the blood was likereally downlow, some of it was sort
of waist height, and some ofit was about shoulder height. So it
looked like there'd been a struggle becausethe blood was sort of all about the
place, not just one particular place, and they found fingerprints within the blood
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staining, so obviously they have tosend that away. Yes, So,
nine days after Becky had gone missing, police asked Nathan and Sean had come
back to the police station for morequestions. They still they still didn't have
any evidence against the pair, asI said, just the sense that they'd
got the storage stray. They werebeing evasive and they've been the last boats
here. So they decided to telltarget Shawna to try and see if the
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couple were holding end them back.So they asked her how Nathan was and
not about the situation, and shesaid, quote, he's fighting it quite
hard, actually, or again knowinghow hard it would be for his mom,
because Becky was almost like a daughterto her. You know, it
has been very stressful for Angie andquote, so you know, it was
like she was saying, he's boughtmore body about his mom love than what
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actually happened to work to work whereBecky was. So Nathan was in another
room and he was asked how hewould describe his relationship with Becky, and
he said, quote, I don'tparticularly talk to her, but obviously I
don't particularly like her, and obviouslywhat annoys me is the way she speaks
to my mum. Sometimes she'd bekind of like rude or whatever. End
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quote. So that was a shotto the police because nobody had mentioned that
Nathan didn't like Becky like they justthey just thought that they got okay,
like weren't particularly close, but youknow, yeah, So forensics came back
with the first results shortly after that, and the fingerprint and the blood turned
out to be Nathan's. And I'msure you're liking surprise surprise by I'm not
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surprised, yea, considering the placenew now they now knew, sorry that
Nathan and Becky didn't get on.Surely wouldn't go into a room very often,
would they, So why would hisfingerprint me there? And but we
don't actually know whose blood it isyet, So we know it's his fingerprint,
but we don't know whose bood is. But twelve hours later, the
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DNA test results came back and showedthat the blood did belong to Becky.
So the police arrested Nathan and Seanof her kidnap. As they were,
you know, they're like, shestill live, they're hoping that she was
still live, and they still didn'thave the evidence for murder. Both of
them denied knowing anything about what hadhappened to Becky or where she was.
Sean I was like, you know, nobody in that family would hurt Becky,
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you know, they're just they're justnot like that. So you know,
it was you know, it wasnone of them. So while they
were under arrest, police searched theirhouse, which was about a mile from
where Becky lived, so they hadhope. The police actually did have hope
that they were going to find Beckythere and get her back to her family.
Maybe the kidnapped or they're holding herthere for whatever reason. So the
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first officer in, he even hadtrouble getting in the front door because of
all the stuff behind the door.So there was actually two fridge freezers behind
the door and then a cluttered allaway I know. Oh god. So
each room in the house was jampacked with stuff. It was that bad
that the officers didn't even realize thatthere was a downstairs toilet at first because
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all the stuff was just piled up. So yeah, well, I just
just imagine a house that you've seenin horders. That's what it looks like.
Yeah, seen those programs that theyhave, Like, yeah, everywhere
is just piled up, piled up. My worst nightmare. Um So when
the when the officers went upstairs,there was one bit of the house that
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rang alarm bells. They went inin the bathroom. There was a cooker
in a microwave in there right amongstother stuff. I'm not I'm like a
cooker in a microwave in the bathroomreally um and other stuff as well.
And you could barely see the sink, but you could see the toilet obviously,
because you need to use the toiletand the bath. And it was
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the bath that ram rang alarm bells. It was spotless, it was big
clean. Yeah, it was shinybecause it had been clean so well.
I could have put money on thatone. Yeah, And you know that
might not seem at a place insome houses, but in a house like
that, why would that be thatcleaning them? The rest of the houses
bombs out exactly. I mean youcan't clean anywhere else in the house because
everyone was piled up, so you'reto get into the surfaces to clean them.
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So yeah, it was just likereally out of place compared to the
rest of the house. So aftertwo days of search and Nathan and Sewant's
house, police found some receipts andan old changing unit at the top of
the stairs. In these receipts showedreceipts showed that on the twentieth of February,
the day that Becky was reported missing, someone who had been at Being
Coup, which is a DIY shopfor anybody who's not in the UK.
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I don't know if it's a worldwideshop. I don't know. I don't
think. I don't know it's aDIY shop anyway. Yeah, so the
receipt showed that they had bought acircular saw, some gloves, a pair
of goggles and face masks. Ohmy god, Well that just tells you
exactly what's happened there then. Sothe police went up being Q to look
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at their CCTV and there was Nathanbuy nose items. So from that the
police realized that they were most likelylooking at a murdering investigation. Now,
so still in police custody, twentyeight year old Nathan and twenty one year
old Shawna were now arrested on suspicionof murder. So the police didn't tell
them that they'd found the receipts frombeing Q, but they did put the
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pressure on by telling Nathan that hishouse had been for forensically searched. They
could see that he wasn't so relaxednow and he was you know, he
was probably weighing up his options inhis head. You know, you could
either maybe stopped talking altogether our caroenwas before just denied, or he could
confess. So on the eleventh dayof the investigation, at ten twenty six
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pm, Nathan gave police a statementthrough his lawyer. As it was written
down, the officers want to readout loud so it could be recorded,
and Nathan was like, he waslike, crap, I don't want to
listen to this. Crap up myfingers in my ears, and they like
said I would do, being like, no, you will listen to it.
But now you actually see him onthe footage and you know he's like
put his elbows on the table,his fingers in his ears, not listening
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it, and I thought, no, you should be listening to it.
It's just totally disrespectful and cowardly,like if you've done something and you should
be listening to it. So thestatement read as follows, Oh sorry,
I Nathan Charles Matthews, except thatI'm responsible for the death of Rebecca Watts.
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On the nineteenth of February twenty fifteen, I attended Crown Hill, Saint
George, Bristol with my girlfriend shawA whore in my car. I had
a large bag, a stunned device, handcuffs, tape, and mask.
I had developed an idea to scareRebecca by kidnapping her. I wanted to
scare her and teach her a lesson. I believe that she was self edge,
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selfish, and her behavior towards mymother was a risk to her health.
A few minutes after arriving and SeanI said she wanted a cigarette and
went into the garden. I wentto the boot of my car, took
out a bag that contained the items, then went upstairs to the land down
before knocking on Rebecca's door. Shereplied, what or hello? And I
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said, can I see you aminute? I cannot be sure and which
which order things happened, but Iused the items I had to subdue Rebecca.
During the short struggle, my maskslipped and Rebecca was able to see
my face. This caused me topanic, and I strangled her while she
was partially in the bag. Sohe must have been like trying to stuff
her in the bag and he washigh to who he was, Yeah,
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he was wanting to scare her,and would you not have known from his
voice? No idea, No idea. Okay, So he confessed the murder,
but he said it was an accident. You take all that stuff from
your car and you say that's anaccident. I don't believe that. Pressing,
he said that he didn't mean tokill Becky. When his mum was
asked if she believed, she believedthat, she was like, no,
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like he did it on purpose.Like he did it, and he did
it on purpose. That's his mum. Because you know how some people with
their childrinking and be like, ohuse baffle was made that he's got an
issue with how Becky treats his mom. Because obviously I'm not saying any teenagers
that are perfect or young adults areperfect, but from the way that you
described there, she doesn't sound likeshe would necessarily Well, I don't think
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she was a thanky made that up? Yeah, I think because the real
reason will come out. So Ithink he was just that was him just
making that up yet um. Soyeah, so his mum, you know,
his mom was not sticking it upfor him, and it's lightest like,
no, he did it. Hedid it on barbous and like you
know, I was just like,I just can't help but feel sorry for
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that woman, like her son,who she will have loved just the same
as any mother loves their son.Killed her stepdaughter does she loved as if
she was her own. So basicallyshe's going to lose two children, you
know, one to death and anotherone to prison. And I just I
just felt so sorry for her.I thought how strong she must be and
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like, and I even thought aswell, like because her Angie and Darrea
and are still together. And Ithought that just goes to show what amazing
people they must be. Because becauseher son his daughter, yes, or
he would think that he would maybesort of resent her, and then she
maybe she would feel so guilty,you know. So I just thought it
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just goes to show what amazing peoplethey must be. Totally, So,
Nathan went on to confess that hehad used the circular saw to dismember Becky's
body in his bath. Surprise,surprise, So he had put her bodies
obviously she'd been killed in her ownhouse. He had put her body into
the boot of his car and stillstayed there for a few hours. So
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like will Angie came home and Darrencame home later on, He's sitting there
chatting await them as normal. Well, Becky's body is the boot of his
car, and oh it was awful. So after dismembering Becky's body, he
then wrapped up the body parts andput them in boxes and bags and hid
them in the garden shed of oneof their neighbors with the neighbor's permission.
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But we'll get to that, sou. So the police went to the shed
and obviously found Becky's body parts,so a private ambulance took her away,
and later her dad went to seeher in the morgue. So they've done
their best to cover up that she'dbeen dismembered. But Darren said that he
could still see where Nathan had decapitatedher, and I just can't imagine saying
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that, Like, no parents shouldhave to see that. Nobody should have
to say that. So one ofthe investigating officers said that a prepared statement
is really the whole truth, andthere may be a number of reasons why
Nathan chose to give the account inlike the way that he did, so
that could have been, well,that could well have been and was probably
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likely to be because they want todownplay the violence that he used, or
how long it took for Becca todie. But another really obvious factor would
be that he clearly excluded Shanna Yesfrom being involved in any of it or
even having any knowledge of it.And I just wonder whether she did actually
have something to do with her orOh yeah, I mean that's that's they
were convinced that Shanna has something todo with it, but he was completely
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excluded her from it. So theofficer told Nathan that they couldn't take the
statement on face value. So youknows said that that, doesn't you know?
Nessar, I mean, that's thewhole triop. So they'd still investigate
the whole offense thoroughly. So Seannawas being interviewed as well, and he
said, I know she's been interviewed, but I don't want to talk about
Seanna. So, you know,it was like he's try to protect her,
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and it seemed to police that theyhad both. It seemed to the
police that initially they had both agreedto deny it, but maybe if it
came to a point where they couldn'tdeny any longer, he was going to
accept responsibility and just keep her totallyout of it. Yeah, that does
sound quite like how it's played Sowhen Sean I was asked when did she
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find out that Nathan had killed Becky? She said yesterday morning, and prior
to that she had no idea thathe'd had any involvement in anything at all.
But Becky's grant said, quote theyboth stuck to their stories. His
was ridiculous, hers was cold andcalculating. She's the brains and quote.
So Nathan. He was questioned moreabout how he killed Becky, asking if
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Becky was like standing up when hestrangled her, and he was like,
no comment. So and then thatwas asked to what degree was she incapacitated
then? And he was like,no comment, and then he just burst
into tears. And then he wasasked was she conscious at the time that
he strangled her? And through hissobbing, he said no comment. I
mean he actually liked had he saidin his hand like absolutely sober. And
(30:56):
I was just like because I watchedthat, and I was like, I
have no sympathy for you whatsoever.I do hate it when they bring on
the tears because I'm like, evenif you are feeling emotion or regret about
what you've done, like you've stillbrutally murdered somebody cut up her body and
had her body parts. So Idon't care how upset you're getting about that.
That's that you deserve. No sympathysomebody. And the thing is he
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probably isn't name crying about. That'sprobably crying because he's been caught exactly.
That's what. That's what, That'sexactly what it is. Feeling sorry for
himself. No, no for Beckyor what he's done. It well,
his family, you know, youknow, it's his family as well as
he. So he has still insistedthat he had acted alone, but detectives
were certain that Sean I had playeda part and focus their investigation and preying
(31:41):
that she was involved. So shewas asked, how do we know that
you weren't involved in the killing ofBecky? And she said, quote,
because there would be no proof Ihaven't touched anything or been anywhere near anywhere
near her alive or dead, andquote. So, after question in Nathan
and Shana for the maximum ninety sixhours allowed by law, Nathan was charged
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with Becky's murder and romanded in custodyawait trial. Detectives still couldn't link Shauna
to the murder, but they wantedto keep her detained while they searched for
the evidence that they were convinced existed. So they charged her with converting the
course of justice initially because she'd she'dbe lying obviously because they were an eye
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and so she'd lied and bought himsometime. Yeah, so that she was
also put on remand so they thencontinued to look for DNA evidence and searched
all of Nathan and they also sorry, they also searched all of Nathan and
Shauna's devices. So two months later, detected until we're getting to the end
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of this and I'm tired, deleatedtexts were found on one of Shauna's phones,
and searches of the Internet history foundpornographic material of teenagers around Becky's age,
so you know it's that she wassixteen. So because school girls,
the text between Sean and Nathan,we're talking about potentially abducting a young female
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and taking her back to their houseand keeping her in their attic. So
surely this is what they were planningon doing it Becky, right, So
Natti day, we oh the waythat she spoke to her ads, mom
and ever, and they basically orhe basically had a fantasy of kidnapping a
schoolgirl and keeping her in the attic, and she was going along with that's
basically what it was. So youknow that poor kid, like she's sixteen
(33:30):
years old. She was, asshe said to her boyfriend, look,
she was just sitting in her bedroomlistening to music, and those two monsters
must have burst in there wearing masksand attacked her. She must have been
absolutely terrified. I wonder if sheactually oh, you said that the mask
came off, so I was gonnasay, I wonder she did actually know
who it was, But I wondershe knew initially though. Imagine that you're
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just sitting in somebody just burst.You're supposed to your safest. That's it
your bedroom, that's in your house, will you that's yeah. So the
police brought Shana from Romand for furtherquestioning about this new evidence of a sexual
motivation to the murder. When shewas asked about a text message from Nathan
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telling her to bring two pretty schoolgirlshome, she would replied no comment.
So you always think when they're applyno comment, that means they're guilty,
because to me, that's like,if you were truly innocent, you would
obviously want to say the truth andtalk about it. But if you're saying
no comment, you don't want totalk about your guilty truth. Yeah,
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some people are scared in case theylike their words get twists. As you
said, truth before you know yourwords can get twisted. So maybe but
we know that she yeah. So, and there was a message from Shana
to Nathan which said that she hadjust been at the shop and she saw
a very pretty particue girl and almostknocked her out to bring her home.
And she wrote l L at theend, you know, and she laughs
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about that again no comment. Sofor six then made a discovery Sean's Sean.
Sean. Seana's DNA was on ourface mask and on a bag containing
Becky's remains, So that suggested thatshe had been involved in at least the
dismemberment and putting the body parts intothe boxes and bags. So Seana was
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also targual murder and perverting the courseof justice. So at the trial in
October twenty fifteen, Nathan was foundguilty of murder and was sentenced to life
imprisonment with a minimum term of thirtythree years. Shana was found guilty of
manslaughter and sentence to seventeen years.So two men, James Ireland and Donovan
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Demetrius, were cleared of assisting anoffender which related to the moving and storing
of packaging containing Becky's remain So theywere all sick. Whose about Yeah,
But Donovan's brother Carl and his girlfriendj Jadine Parsons, they are the ones
who actually owned the shed where Becky'sremains were hidden. And even though they
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they they said that they didn't knowwhat the packages contained. They gave permits
it, but they didn't know whatthey said they didn't know what the packages
contained. But Carl got sentence twoyears in prison and Jadine would send us
to sixteen months well in prison?Well well yeah, I mean I mean,
how can they prove that they knewwhat was in those packages? Because
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if somebody came along and said,if a friend, yeah, like I
can you store a couple of hondsin your shd? I mean I wouldn't
think anything of that. I mean, so i't I would go or what
is it? Baby? Yeah?If they just said, oh, it's
just what it was, yeah,and then but yeah, alright, cool,
I mean does that does that makeyou gilly or something? Unless they
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had more infort. They maybe hadmore, but yeah, I was actually
surprised at that, just on thelack of information, because I thought,
wait a minute, you know,as you just said, if they have
their friends have come along, saidcan I keep a couple of boxes or
whatever in your shed? What isit? You know? They said,
what is it? Just a fewbut's pre ornaments, You're not just we've
been seeing I'm clearing out the houseor something, you know, and then
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they've got put in jail for it. So I don't know, there maybe
was more to that, but um, but yeah, so he got thirty
three a minimum of thirty three,and she got seventeen. So that's his
step sister. But because obviously I'ves if the fantasy was to actually keep
someone in the attic or whatever,then did she fight back and it went
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wrong? And that's why they killedher because well she said the face Max
face. So maybe if they weregonna well, they maybe would have showed
her who's there were when they twowhen they took her back to the attic,
I don't know, or maybe theystill would have just done it masked.
They could add her blindfolded light inthe attic or but then they would
she wouldn't recognize her voices and stuff. I mean, why would you do
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to anybody, But it seems evenmore daf to do it to your own
family exactly. I mean, likeyou're doing that here, mum. You
know how kose her mom is toher, like she's a daughter to her.
Yeah, and you know, Idon't know. I mean, I
don't understand what I'm understand why anybodycomes to the conclusion of doing something like
that to anybody. But it's justit's baffling. But yeah, I mean,
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they obviously got as good as justiceas they can get, so yeah,
and they got what they deserved.They got found out, they got
put in prisons. But that purefamily, that's absolutely awful because, as
they said, you know, they'velost Becky, but they've also lost him
and and and her, and theyhad kids. I don't know how many
kids they had, but they hadchildren when they were living in that I
(38:35):
know. But they're they're we're grownup without because I said, she's in
there for seventeen years, she's inthere for thirty years. So these those
kids are going to grow up withoutwithout their parents. So you know,
nobody's wonted out of that situation.But yeah, so there we go.
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Hello, I'm welcome to Crime Diverse. I'm Laura and I'm Jill. Welcome
to today's episode. Hello everybody,Thanks, we're joining us once again,
or if you're near here, welcometo our podcast. So Jill, where
we are in the UK and thetitle of your case today related to evil
you just had? Just I don'tknow, like a really blank look on
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her face. They are related toevil? Yes, interesting title. Shall
we just dive in? Yeah,let's dive in. Rebecca Marie Watts,
known as Becky, was born inBristol on the third of June ninety eight.
Two parents, Tanya and Darren,and they already had a son,
Daniel, who was two years olderthan Becky. Her mom and dad split
(02:07):
up when she was a baby,so and Becky and Dan stayed with her
mum at first, but then theywent to live with their dad, Darren
Goldsworthy, when Becky was two andDan was four. So Darren their dad.
He had met a woman called Angiewhen Becky was she was a baby,
like she's not about six months oldor something, and they fell in
love. Angie had a son froma previous relationship called Nathan Matthews, who
(02:30):
was twelve years older than Becky.But Angie treated all three kids to say,
you know, she took on Darren'stwo kids, had to her kids
or good. So the kids andthe kids also like just treated each other
like brothers and sisters. You know. I think Nathan, though, the
(02:51):
Angie's son, I thought he likebecause he was like twelve years older.
I think he was kind of theyweren't, you know, like just saw
the younger two is kind of theannoyance little kids. So it wasn't really
that interested. But they had justa normal relationship, you know. It
wasn't it wasn't particularly close, butit wasn't bad or anything like that,
you know. Yeah, So Beckywas really close to her dad and her
(03:13):
stepmom and Jie and like they wereactually best friends. Like her and her
stepmom were like so close. AndAngie even took an unpaid teacher's assistant job
at Becky's primary school because Becky wasso shy and she didn't want to be
away from her like when she wasyoung. She just Becky just sort of
kind of need her constant reassurance andshe just I always wanted to be with
somebody and she just she just didn'thave any confidence and all that. So
(03:37):
yeah, so I mean her stepmomto do that, it's pretty amazing.
Definitely. Becky didn't have a greattime at high school. She was bullied
regularly and one time, like thebullies even ripped her jacket off her back.
Oh I hate bullies so much.And Angie like she did she did
Obviously she complained to the school andwhatnot, but I actually just made things
(03:57):
worse for Becky. And the billioncontinued. And Becky was like such a
lovable kid, and when she criedat home about her like having no friends,
her parents just couldn't understand how becauseas I said, she was just
like with them, she was justa lovable child. She just wanted people,
what friends, what people like herand um. And she was struggling,
she was shy, she was beingbullied, and she struggled with a
(04:20):
body image. So she was diagnosedwith an eating disorder and social anxiety,
which led her to relying on Angieeven more and she ended up for a
while anyway, she ended up havingaffear of leaving the house. So Aaron,
Aaron, that was Angie and Darrenthat was yeah, that's to get
her name. Aaron, Angie andDarren. They were determined to help Becky
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through it. And Darren said quote, Becky was bullied about her weight and
we almost lost her to Anna Exa, but with a lot of care from
us in hospital education, we wereable to get her back. Becky back.
Unfortunately, when Becky was thirteen,Angie was diagnosed with having a multiple
school sclerosis and he was going tostruggle to say that. And she so
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she started having trouble like moving aroundthe house, like moving around and like
doing her like household tasks. SoBecky started helping her around the house and
like taking a gie out in herwheelchair and just really doing what she could
to help Angie and her dad.Dad could take the load off Darren a
bit. So you know, shewas a good kid. She was.
Yeah, So Darren asked Angie tomarry him when Becky was fifteen, and
(05:30):
they I thought this was also socute that they trusted Becky to choose the
outfits for the wedding party. Soshe chose Angie's wedding dress. She chose
the bridesmaids dresses. She told eventold us, like her dad, the
groom and his best man and everybodychose what everybody was wearing because she was
she was getting like quite any fashion. So the color theme for the wedding
was blue because that was Becky's favoritecolor. So I thought it was so
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by the time Becky was sixteen,her older brothers Nathan and Dad and it
had moved out, so it wasjust Becky, her dad, and her
step on living in the two storyhouse in Saint George on the east side
of Bristol. So by this point, like Nathan, her children, it
his own and his partner Shana mshe actually became Angie's full time carer,
(06:18):
so they weren't living there, butyou know, she would come in.
She would do things about who's whereI look after and stuff, So they
were there every day, and likeyou know, Dan, I'm a shimming
she visited regularly as well. Youknow, it's the normal family. Yeah.
So Becky she was at a differentschool by now, and she was
happy. She had friends, likeshe had a really close knit group of
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friends and she wasn't getting bullied anymore. So, but because of what had
happened to her, she didn't wantanyone else feeling like that. So she
would actually spend like her break timesand that like talking and giving advice to
other kids who were like struggling tofit in. So I thought, how
nice she just goes to show whata lovely, totally negative experience in her
(06:59):
life to try and prevent it fromThat's nice. She said that she just
didn't want anybody to feel the waythat she felt, so she got her
sell a boyfriend called Luke ober Handsley. He was seventeen, because she was
sixteen at this point. He wasseventeen and he was a trainee car mechanic.
Darren and Angie liked him and hewas friendly and polite, so they
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approved of the relationships. Like theysaid, he treated Becky with respect,
you know, yeah, that's great. Oh good. So by February two
thousand and fifteen, they've been togethera few months, and they spent as
much time together as the kid.And when they weren't together, they're dolls.
Like the texting each other, youknow, they were all pretty much
always in contact. So in themorning of the nineteenth of February twenty and
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fifteen, Becky and Luke were textingeach other. He was in his house,
and she told him that she wasat her house and she was in
her room listening to music. SoLuke, sorry, I'm sorry, I
just had to clear my thought there. Luke, he did actually had thought
about a visiting her, but hehad appointments at the dentist and the barbers.
He's like, I'll just wait tilllater. I'll got my appointments first,
(08:05):
um, and then I'll see herlater. So Becky last text Luk
at eleven h three that morning,and then Luke went to the dentist and
the text Becky at twelve or ninesaying that's that's been done about the dentist,
and she didn't text back straight away, which was unusual because usually you
know, teenager's phone at the side. Yeah. Yeah. He didn't think
(08:30):
too much about it, like,oh, maybe she's at the toilet or
just having a shower or something likethat. But when she still hadn't replied
half an hour later, it mustn'tbeen getting kind of what's going on here,
So it texts her again to tryand get her attention, but nothing.
At twelve forty six, he messagedoil excuse me, but she she
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didn't respond, and he messaged heragain saying OI. Half an hour later
are but again silence. So Icare, you know, as normal,
He's like, right, try tothink about rational explanation. So he's like,
right, okay, maybe like maybeshe's taking a nap, So it's
like, right, I'll just wait, wait a little while. Um,
so she texts back, but it'snever texts back again, so he had
(09:18):
texts her again saying hello again nothing, So you wanted to get his haircut,
and then after that, at threepm, he checked his phone and
Becky still hadn't got back to him, so he tried calling her, but
it went straight to voicemail. SoI thought, right, Nobe, her
phone batter has died, and that'swhy she hadn't answered the texts. Yeah,
of course, because you don't thinkthat they don't thinkable could happen exactly.
(09:41):
So yeah, trying to rationalize that, I'm thinking, this is what,
Yeah, and you don't want tobe like, oh, I'm just
going tondit here. I'm totally overthinkingthings, and you know, because most
of the time you are, youthink, oh my god, something's happened,
and then it turns out to beabsolutely nothing, you know. Um,
So obviously that's the way that he'sthinking. But then by five o'clock
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he decided to go over to Becky'shouse because he was like, nap,
something's not right here, Gonna goand check in on her. So he
knocked on the door and Shana,her brother, Nathan's girlfriend answered. So
remember Nathan is this step step siblingm and Seana was the career for her
and so she was there. Sohe asked me, you know, is
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Becky in? And she was like, oh, I don't know. So
she kind of shouted to Handy,She's like, is um Becky here?
And she was like, oh,I don't know, and she said,
neither of him is seeing Becky orafter him. So Sean and upstairs to
see her. Becky was in herroom, she wasn't. And she usually
did tell her parents where you know, where she was going and who she
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was with. But sometimes she didleave the house without telling anyone. So
it wasn't unheard of that she didn'tknow somewhere. Yeah, so I was
her parents weren't too worried. Shenever went too far away, and she
wasn't with Luke then. She wasalways with her close group of friends who
they knew and they trusted. Theyknew all of them, trusted them all.
As I said, they were justa small group of close knit friends.
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So a lot of the fact thatBecky wasn't answering techs did strike them
as odd because it was out ofcharacter. And Luke said that Becky knew
he was coming over that day.She didn't know when he was coming over,
but she knew it was something.Yeah, So why would you go
out like she never castled their planswithout letting him no. But you know,
(11:28):
they pushed the concerts in the backof their minds as of course she
would Yeah, something simple and nothing'swrong, and they shared themselves. You
know, she'll be home, soand you know what, it's all good.
You know, she's she's her phoneran out the battery. You know.
However, you know, she didn'tcome home, so I paint at
the thought she'd probably just spent thenight at a friend's house. And I'm
assuming they were probably pissed off thatshe hadn't let them know. But you
(11:50):
know, when she they're probably gonnabe like, right, but she gets
home, like she's she's in trouble, I'm going through. But when she
hadn't arrived home by the following afternoon, they were like, there's something wrong
here, And like Darren and herdad, he'd actually went to work and
the next game day not really figuredtoo much of it. But then Angie
phoned phoned him at work, andI was like, look, all Becky's
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friends had actually all turned up ather house because they were worried by now,
because nobody to tear from her.And I thought that just goes to
show what good friends that she had. So they had all turned up at
the house and said to Angie,look, we think something's going on here.
So Andrew was like, right,phone Darren. So Darren came home
because nobody had heard from her forover or twenty four hours now, and
our pals had been texting her phoneand her checking Facebook like to see if
(12:37):
she'd posted, but just silence.She'd never gone this long without speaking to
anyone. And it was like,yeah, she was a typical teenager in
kuby moody and fall out with herparents like a normal sixteen year old,
but overall she was a sense ofall trustworthy girl and not the time to
just disappear without a word. Sothey're like, right, I think we
need to call the police totally.So Darren's phoned the police to report Becky
(12:58):
missing and search started, so hundredsof place across two counties search for her
with no luck. The police turnedto the media for helps. Her disappearance
was like on the front page,you know, the papers and the news.
Her dad and our grand held apress conference in her grand She she
was still sort of you know,in denial, like no, no,
(13:20):
that's happening. You she's just stayingsomewhere. She's maybe took the huff and
she's just hasn't been so yeah,she's went off and just staying at somebody's
house. So all our friends arethere, so well, yeah, like
where would she be whose house?It must be somebody they don't know if
that's the case. Yeah, butshe said, I think, as I
said, you know, you dokind of put it up. You try
and come up with excuses exactly,Yeah, try to cocause a wo could
(13:43):
have happened, right actually, likefeeling the worst. So she the grand
said at at the press conference,quote, you're so loved, and I
don't think you believe it. Youreally are so loved. Look at your
poor dad. Please come home orwhoever is shelter sheltering her, do the
right thing. Thank you, Andand I was like, but she did
say later though, that was probablyjust worshol thinking of our part that Becky
(14:05):
was staying somewhere, you know,trying to think there must be our just
a fine reason why she's not home, so you don't want to think,
like of all the worst things thatcould happen. So police interviewed everyone calls
to Becky for any information that couldhelp them to find her, Like,
you know, what did she liketo do, what social media did she
(14:26):
use when it's like to go,how did she usually communicate with each person,
like just to see if there wasanything out of the ordinary before she
disappeared. So as Shana and Nathan, our stepbrother and his partner with the
last people see Becky on that Thursdaymorning, the police interviewed them both separately
to get as much information from themas possible. Shana was asked to tell
(14:48):
them about that day. So shehad said that, you know, she'd
Rank and Jae to say she wasgoing to be in that day, and
she had said that she was goingto a hospital appointment, So they went
over to be there like sort forwhen Angie came back from her hospital appointment.
So when Angie came home, sheI was kind of a bit confused
by this because when look It cameto the door looking for Becky, they
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didn't know if she was in ornot, you know, But according to
Shauna, she said, when Angiecame home, she asked if Becky was
in, and Shauna told her thatshe turned the door slam earlier, so
she must have gone out. Soyou think that she would have said that
when well, well, well,I suppose she could have thought, oh,
maybe she just came back since then, I suppose. But Nathan,
he said that he also heard thefront door slam, so he also assumed
(15:33):
that Becky it's gone. That wasthat was Becky going out. So the
version of events that they gave herthe same. You know, they fit
together really conveniently and really neatly,but maybe a bit too conveniently. Yes,
the officers thought to themselves, they'vetalked to each other and they've got
their stories straight, so that,you know, that was definitely suspicious.
(15:54):
So and the way that Shauna presentedherself was strange, like she was Glenn
like lighthearted and didn't seem to betaking situations seriously. And Nathan came across
as being fairly unconcerned. It wasjust sort of leaning back in his chair,
very relaxed, very comfortable, sometimeseven laughing and joking even though he's
(16:14):
on a police station. I'm like, I'm sorry if I was in a
police station, no matter what thesituation was, exactly nervous, still be
nervous. I looked through security andan airport and feel nervous because I think
I look guilty because that's sometimes Ithink like people can like twist like your
words and stuff. So I askedme a question and the way I've answered
it makes me look like I'm guilty, but I'm actually not, and I
(16:36):
just I would get that. Oreven just the way that you're carrying yourself
like these the way that they werecarrying themselves. That's what made I'm suspicious,
you know, him being relaxed,she was lighthearted, and just imagine
if you were like that, evenif you haven't done anything wrong, that's
sure nature that I see a policemanand I'll just freeze. I'm like,
I'm I don't like I always likeI Also, I think I just feel
like I'm excited, guilty, guiltyahead and I'm like, I'm I would
(17:00):
dine everything. You just feel likeyou've done something. That's why when we
used to go on holiday and bringback the cheap cigarettes that when we take
would bring back more than we wereallowed to and John used to hate it.
It used to make me walk awayfrom him. Would be like,
right, you walk ahead of me, I'm not with you, because I
would just look guilty and just engagedthe security stopped me. He was like,
I don't know where. Yeah,I'm just authority scares me. I'm
(17:25):
not I'm not like how so soyeah, I mean yeah, I couldn't
imagine like that. But after twohours, I went with you in a
couple of place. Didn't have anytangible evidence other than that they sensed that
they were hiding something. But Iwas like, that's not enough to know
you didn't have some Yeah, exactly. So the turn to the to the
town, to the forensics team andsent them to Becky's house is obviously that's
(17:48):
the last place that she was seen. So they actually did find blood that
wasn't it was able the naked nakedeye on the doorframe to Becky's room.
So some of the blood was likereally downlow, some of it was sort
of waist height, and some ofit was about shoulder height. So it
looked like there'd been a struggle becausethe blood was sort of all about the
place, not just one particular place, and they found fingerprints within the blood
(18:11):
staining, so obviously they have tosend that away. Yes, So,
nine days after Becky had gone missing, police asked Nathan and Sean had come
back to the police station for morequestions. They still they still didn't have
any evidence against the pair, asI said, just the sense that they'd
got the storage stray. They werebeing evasive and they've been the last boats
here. So they decided to telltarget Shawna to try and see if the
(18:36):
couple were holding end them back.So they asked her how Nathan was and
not about the situation, and shesaid, quote, he's fighting it quite
hard, actually, or again knowinghow hard it would be for his mom,
because Becky was almost like a daughterto her. You know, it
has been very stressful for Angie andquote, so you know, it was
like she was saying, he's boughtmore body about his mom love than what
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actually happened to work to work whereBecky was. So Nathan was in another
room and he was asked how hewould describe his relationship with Becky, and
he said, quote, I don'tparticularly talk to her, but obviously I
don't particularly like her, and obviouslywhat annoys me is the way she speaks
to my mum. Sometimes she'd bekind of like rude or whatever. End
(19:18):
quote. So that was a shotto the police because nobody had mentioned that
Nathan didn't like Becky like they justthey just thought that they got okay,
like weren't particularly close, but youknow, yeah, So forensics came back
with the first results shortly after that, and the fingerprint and the blood turned
out to be Nathan's. And I'msure you're liking surprise surprise by I'm not
(19:41):
surprised, yea, considering the placenew now they now knew, sorry that
Nathan and Becky didn't get on.Surely wouldn't go into a room very often,
would they, So why would hisfingerprint me there? And but we
don't actually know whose blood it isyet, So we know it's his fingerprint,
but we don't know whose bood is. But twelve hours later, the
(20:02):
DNA test results came back and showedthat the blood did belong to Becky.
So the police arrested Nathan and Seanof her kidnap. As they were,
you know, they're like, shestill live, they're hoping that she was
still live, and they still didn'thave the evidence for murder. Both of
them denied knowing anything about what hadhappened to Becky or where she was.
Sean I was like, you know, nobody in that family would hurt Becky,
(20:26):
you know, they're just they're justnot like that. So you know,
it was you know, it wasnone of them. So while they
were under arrest, police searched theirhouse, which was about a mile from
where Becky lived, so they hadhope. The police actually did have hope
that they were going to find Beckythere and get her back to her family.
Maybe the kidnapped or they're holding herthere for whatever reason. So the
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first officer in, he even hadtrouble getting in the front door because of
all the stuff behind the door.So there was actually two fridge freezers behind
the door and then a cluttered allaway I know. Oh god. So
each room in the house was jampacked with stuff. It was that bad
that the officers didn't even realize thatthere was a downstairs toilet at first because
(21:08):
all the stuff was just piled up. So yeah, well, I just
just imagine a house that you've seenin horders. That's what it looks like.
Yeah, seen those programs that theyhave, Like, yeah, everywhere
is just piled up, piled up. My worst nightmare. Um So when
the when the officers went upstairs,there was one bit of the house that
(21:30):
rang alarm bells. They went inin the bathroom. There was a cooker
in a microwave in there right amongstother stuff. I'm not I'm like a
cooker in a microwave in the bathroomreally um and other stuff as well.
And you could barely see the sink, but you could see the toilet obviously,
because you need to use the toiletand the bath. And it was
(21:51):
the bath that ram rang alarm bells. It was spotless, it was big
clean. Yeah, it was shinybecause it had been clean so well.
I could have put money on thatone. Yeah, And you know that
might not seem at a place insome houses, but in a house like
that, why would that be thatcleaning them? The rest of the houses
bombs out exactly. I mean youcan't clean anywhere else in the house because
everyone was piled up, so you'reto get into the surfaces to clean them.
(22:14):
So yeah, it was just likereally out of place compared to the
rest of the house. So aftertwo days of search and Nathan and Sewant's
house, police found some receipts andan old changing unit at the top of
the stairs. In these receipts showedreceipts showed that on the twentieth of February,
the day that Becky was reported missing, someone who had been at Being
Coup, which is a DIY shopfor anybody who's not in the UK.
(22:40):
I don't know if it's a worldwideshop. I don't know. I don't
think. I don't know it's aDIY shop anyway. Yeah, so the
receipt showed that they had bought acircular saw, some gloves, a pair
of goggles and face masks. Ohmy god, Well that just tells you
exactly what's happened there then. Sothe police went up being Q to look
(23:00):
at their CCTV and there was Nathanbuy nose items. So from that the
police realized that they were most likelylooking at a murdering investigation. Now,
so still in police custody, twentyeight year old Nathan and twenty one year
old Shawna were now arrested on suspicionof murder. So the police didn't tell
them that they'd found the receipts frombeing Q, but they did put the
(23:23):
pressure on by telling Nathan that hishouse had been for forensically searched. They
could see that he wasn't so relaxednow and he was you know, he
was probably weighing up his options inhis head. You know, you could
either maybe stopped talking altogether our caroenwas before just denied, or he could
confess. So on the eleventh dayof the investigation, at ten twenty six
(23:47):
pm, Nathan gave police a statementthrough his lawyer. As it was written
down, the officers want to readout loud so it could be recorded,
and Nathan was like, he waslike, crap, I don't want to
listen to this. Crap up myfingers in my ears, and they like
said I would do, being like, no, you will listen to it.
But now you actually see him onthe footage and you know he's like
put his elbows on the table,his fingers in his ears, not listening
(24:08):
it, and I thought, no, you should be listening to it.
It's just totally disrespectful and cowardly,like if you've done something and you should
be listening to it. So thestatement read as follows, Oh sorry,
I Nathan Charles Matthews, except thatI'm responsible for the death of Rebecca Watts.
(24:30):
On the nineteenth of February twenty fifteen, I attended Crown Hill, Saint
George, Bristol with my girlfriend shawA whore in my car. I had
a large bag, a stunned device, handcuffs, tape, and mask.
I had developed an idea to scareRebecca by kidnapping her. I wanted to
scare her and teach her a lesson. I believe that she was self edge,
(24:52):
selfish, and her behavior towards mymother was a risk to her health.
A few minutes after arriving and SeanI said she wanted a cigarette and
went into the garden. I wentto the boot of my car, took
out a bag that contained the items, then went upstairs to the land down
before knocking on Rebecca's door. Shereplied, what or hello? And I
(25:14):
said, can I see you aminute? I cannot be sure and which
which order things happened, but Iused the items I had to subdue Rebecca.
During the short struggle, my maskslipped and Rebecca was able to see
my face. This caused me topanic, and I strangled her while she
was partially in the bag. Sohe must have been like trying to stuff
her in the bag and he washigh to who he was, Yeah,
(25:40):
he was wanting to scare her,and would you not have known from his
voice? No idea, No idea. Okay, So he confessed the murder,
but he said it was an accident. You take all that stuff from
your car and you say that's anaccident. I don't believe that. Pressing,
he said that he didn't mean tokill Becky. When his mum was
asked if she believed, she believedthat, she was like, no,
(26:02):
like he did it on purpose.Like he did it, and he did
it on purpose. That's his mum. Because you know how some people with
their childrinking and be like, ohuse baffle was made that he's got an
issue with how Becky treats his mom. Because obviously I'm not saying any teenagers
that are perfect or young adults areperfect, but from the way that you
described there, she doesn't sound likeshe would necessarily Well, I don't think
(26:26):
she was a thanky made that up? Yeah, I think because the real
reason will come out. So Ithink he was just that was him just
making that up yet um. Soyeah, so his mum, you know,
his mom was not sticking it upfor him, and it's lightest like,
no, he did it. Hedid it on barbous and like you
know, I was just like,I just can't help but feel sorry for
(26:48):
that woman, like her son,who she will have loved just the same
as any mother loves their son.Killed her stepdaughter does she loved as if
she was her own. So basicallyshe's going to lose two children, you
know, one to death and anotherone to prison. And I just I
just felt so sorry for her.I thought how strong she must be and
(27:10):
like, and I even thought aswell, like because her Angie and Darrea
and are still together. And Ithought that just goes to show what amazing
people they must be. Because becauseher son his daughter, yes, or
he would think that he would maybesort of resent her, and then she
maybe she would feel so guilty,you know. So I just thought it
(27:33):
just goes to show what amazing peoplethey must be. Totally, So,
Nathan went on to confess that hehad used the circular saw to dismember Becky's
body in his bath. Surprise,surprise, So he had put her bodies
obviously she'd been killed in her ownhouse. He had put her body into
the boot of his car and stillstayed there for a few hours. So
(27:55):
like will Angie came home and Darrencame home later on, He's sitting there
chatting await them as normal. Well, Becky's body is the boot of his
car, and oh it was awful. So after dismembering Becky's body, he
then wrapped up the body parts andput them in boxes and bags and hid
them in the garden shed of oneof their neighbors with the neighbor's permission.
(28:18):
But we'll get to that, sou. So the police went to the shed
and obviously found Becky's body parts,so a private ambulance took her away,
and later her dad went to seeher in the morgue. So they've done
their best to cover up that she'dbeen dismembered. But Darren said that he
could still see where Nathan had decapitatedher, and I just can't imagine saying
(28:41):
that, Like, no parents shouldhave to see that. Nobody should have
to say that. So one ofthe investigating officers said that a prepared statement
is really the whole truth, andthere may be a number of reasons why
Nathan chose to give the account inlike the way that he did, so
that could have been, well,that could well have been and was probably
(29:03):
likely to be because they want todownplay the violence that he used, or
how long it took for Becca todie. But another really obvious factor would
be that he clearly excluded Shanna Yesfrom being involved in any of it or
even having any knowledge of it.And I just wonder whether she did actually
have something to do with her orOh yeah, I mean that's that's they
were convinced that Shanna has something todo with it, but he was completely
(29:27):
excluded her from it. So theofficer told Nathan that they couldn't take the
statement on face value. So youknows said that that, doesn't you know?
Nessar, I mean, that's thewhole triop. So they'd still investigate
the whole offense thoroughly. So Seannawas being interviewed as well, and he
said, I know she's been interviewed, but I don't want to talk about
Seanna. So, you know,it was like he's try to protect her,
(29:49):
and it seemed to police that theyhad both. It seemed to the
police that initially they had both agreedto deny it, but maybe if it
came to a point where they couldn'tdeny any longer, he was going to
accept responsibility and just keep her totallyout of it. Yeah, that does
sound quite like how it's played Sowhen Sean I was asked when did she
(30:10):
find out that Nathan had killed Becky? She said yesterday morning, and prior
to that she had no idea thathe'd had any involvement in anything at all.
But Becky's grant said, quote theyboth stuck to their stories. His
was ridiculous, hers was cold andcalculating. She's the brains and quote.
So Nathan. He was questioned moreabout how he killed Becky, asking if
(30:33):
Becky was like standing up when hestrangled her, and he was like,
no comment. So and then thatwas asked to what degree was she incapacitated
then? And he was like,no comment, and then he just burst
into tears. And then he wasasked was she conscious at the time that
he strangled her? And through hissobbing, he said no comment. I
mean he actually liked had he saidin his hand like absolutely sober. And
(30:56):
I was just like because I watchedthat, and I was like, I
have no sympathy for you whatsoever.I do hate it when they bring on
the tears because I'm like, evenif you are feeling emotion or regret about
what you've done, like you've stillbrutally murdered somebody cut up her body and
had her body parts. So Idon't care how upset you're getting about that.
That's that you deserve. No sympathysomebody. And the thing is he
(31:18):
probably isn't name crying about. That'sprobably crying because he's been caught exactly.
That's what. That's what, That'sexactly what it is. Feeling sorry for
himself. No, no for Beckyor what he's done. It well,
his family, you know, youknow, it's his family as well as
he. So he has still insistedthat he had acted alone, but detectives
were certain that Sean I had playeda part and focus their investigation and preying
(31:41):
that she was involved. So shewas asked, how do we know that
you weren't involved in the killing ofBecky? And she said, quote,
because there would be no proof Ihaven't touched anything or been anywhere near anywhere
near her alive or dead, andquote. So, after question in Nathan
and Shana for the maximum ninety sixhours allowed by law, Nathan was charged
(32:02):
with Becky's murder and romanded in custodyawait trial. Detectives still couldn't link Shauna
to the murder, but they wantedto keep her detained while they searched for
the evidence that they were convinced existed. So they charged her with converting the
course of justice initially because she'd she'dbe lying obviously because they were an eye
(32:22):
and so she'd lied and bought himsometime. Yeah, so that she was
also put on remand so they thencontinued to look for DNA evidence and searched
all of Nathan and they also sorry, they also searched all of Nathan and
Shauna's devices. So two months later, detected until we're getting to the end
(32:45):
of this and I'm tired, deleatedtexts were found on one of Shauna's phones,
and searches of the Internet history foundpornographic material of teenagers around Becky's age,
so you know it's that she wassixteen. So because school girls,
the text between Sean and Nathan,we're talking about potentially abducting a young female
(33:06):
and taking her back to their houseand keeping her in their attic. So
surely this is what they were planningon doing it Becky, right, So
Natti day, we oh the waythat she spoke to her ads, mom
and ever, and they basically orhe basically had a fantasy of kidnapping a
schoolgirl and keeping her in the attic, and she was going along with that's
basically what it was. So youknow that poor kid, like she's sixteen
(33:30):
years old. She was, asshe said to her boyfriend, look,
she was just sitting in her bedroomlistening to music, and those two monsters
must have burst in there wearing masksand attacked her. She must have been
absolutely terrified. I wonder if sheactually oh, you said that the mask
came off, so I was gonnasay, I wonder she did actually know
who it was, But I wondershe knew initially though. Imagine that you're
(33:51):
just sitting in somebody just burst.You're supposed to your safest. That's it
your bedroom, that's in your house, will you that's yeah. So the
police brought Shana from Romand for furtherquestioning about this new evidence of a sexual
motivation to the murder. When shewas asked about a text message from Nathan
(34:13):
telling her to bring two pretty schoolgirlshome, she would replied no comment.
So you always think when they're applyno comment, that means they're guilty,
because to me, that's like,if you were truly innocent, you would
obviously want to say the truth andtalk about it. But if you're saying
no comment, you don't want totalk about your guilty truth. Yeah,
(34:34):
some people are scared in case theylike their words get twists. As you
said, truth before you know yourwords can get twisted. So maybe but
we know that she yeah. So, and there was a message from Shana
to Nathan which said that she hadjust been at the shop and she saw
a very pretty particue girl and almostknocked her out to bring her home.
And she wrote l L at theend, you know, and she laughs
(34:57):
about that again no comment. Sofor six then made a discovery Sean's Sean.
Sean. Seana's DNA was on ourface mask and on a bag containing
Becky's remains, So that suggested thatshe had been involved in at least the
dismemberment and putting the body parts intothe boxes and bags. So Seana was
(35:20):
also targual murder and perverting the courseof justice. So at the trial in
October twenty fifteen, Nathan was foundguilty of murder and was sentenced to life
imprisonment with a minimum term of thirtythree years. Shana was found guilty of
manslaughter and sentence to seventeen years.So two men, James Ireland and Donovan
(35:42):
Demetrius, were cleared of assisting anoffender which related to the moving and storing
of packaging containing Becky's remain So theywere all sick. Whose about Yeah,
But Donovan's brother Carl and his girlfriendj Jadine Parsons, they are the ones
who actually owned the shed where Becky'sremains were hidden. And even though they
(36:04):
they they said that they didn't knowwhat the packages contained. They gave permits
it, but they didn't know whatthey said they didn't know what the packages
contained. But Carl got sentence twoyears in prison and Jadine would send us
to sixteen months well in prison?Well well yeah, I mean I mean,
how can they prove that they knewwhat was in those packages? Because
(36:25):
if somebody came along and said,if a friend, yeah, like I
can you store a couple of hondsin your shd? I mean I wouldn't
think anything of that. I mean, so i't I would go or what
is it? Baby? Yeah?If they just said, oh, it's
just what it was, yeah,and then but yeah, alright, cool,
I mean does that does that makeyou gilly or something? Unless they
(36:45):
had more infort. They maybe hadmore, but yeah, I was actually
surprised at that, just on thelack of information, because I thought,
wait a minute, you know,as you just said, if they have
their friends have come along, saidcan I keep a couple of boxes or
whatever in your shed? What isit? You know? They said,
what is it? Just a fewbut's pre ornaments, You're not just we've
been seeing I'm clearing out the houseor something, you know, and then
(37:06):
they've got put in jail for it. So I don't know, there maybe
was more to that, but um, but yeah, so he got thirty
three a minimum of thirty three,and she got seventeen. So that's his
step sister. But because obviously I'ves if the fantasy was to actually keep
someone in the attic or whatever,then did she fight back and it went
(37:30):
wrong? And that's why they killedher because well she said the face Max
face. So maybe if they weregonna well, they maybe would have showed
her who's there were when they twowhen they took her back to the attic,
I don't know, or maybe theystill would have just done it masked.
They could add her blindfolded light inthe attic or but then they would
she wouldn't recognize her voices and stuff. I mean, why would you do
(37:51):
to anybody, But it seems evenmore daf to do it to your own
family exactly. I mean, likeyou're doing that here, mum. You
know how kose her mom is toher, like she's a daughter to her.
Yeah, and you know, Idon't know. I mean, I
don't understand what I'm understand why anybodycomes to the conclusion of doing something like
that to anybody. But it's justit's baffling. But yeah, I mean,
(38:12):
they obviously got as good as justiceas they can get, so yeah,
and they got what they deserved.They got found out, they got
put in prisons. But that purefamily, that's absolutely awful because, as
they said, you know, they'velost Becky, but they've also lost him
and and and her, and theyhad kids. I don't know how many
kids they had, but they hadchildren when they were living in that I
(38:35):
know. But they're they're we're grownup without because I said, she's in
there for seventeen years, she's inthere for thirty years. So these those
kids are going to grow up withoutwithout their parents. So you know,
nobody's wonted out of that situation.But yeah, so there we go.
There's your case for this week.So thanks for listening to everybody. Yeah,
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