Small Town Murder

This episode covers the murder of Jessica Chambers.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hi, I'm Laura and am Tel and this is crick Divers.
Hello everybody, Welcome to you today's Patreon episode. Hello everyone,

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So we're in the world. Are we are in America?
In Mississippi? My s S I P P I Y S.
I'm I gonna actually don't know how M S S
I S is I P P I that's it. I
P P P I S s I S S I M.
Well done. I'm sure we got taught that in school. Yeah,
maybe I don't I if I say that. As my

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daughter was watching the She's Upsessed for the Worst Witch. Yeah,
she was watching the like some YouTube ones with like
the really characters, and I was like this kid's TV
program that they were on, and then they all had
like those the Ethyl character Ethel was standing in for
her to answer questions, and every time she got the
question wrong, she got slammed. So that was one of
the questions. And did she get it right? She got

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it wrong, so she got slimed. She goes to a
rubbish school. Then obviously the teacher that at school, Yeah,
I remember just that. Yeah. I don't know if it
was school, but I certainly remember for somewhere I think
it's a thing that like everybody in our generation at
least knows. So I don't know, or maybe you just
learn it from other friends in the playground or something,

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and I don't know. It's always stuck in my head. Yeah,
So that's where we are. That's where we are. And
what's it called. It's called small town murder? So should
we die in Okay? So this case took place in Courtland,
which is a small town in Panola County in Mississippi.
So because it said it was a small town, I
want to see how small it was, and I looked

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up in the population as five hundred and twenty one. Really, yeah,
that's very small. Yeah, I know like Americans kind of
name things different because like over here that I don't
think that wouldn't be a town. Would that would be
like a village five hundred and twenty one because where
we grew up as a village, and that's got more
than five that's got thousands of people in it. So yeah,

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so I haven't got that town, but maybe over there
it's different. But everybody must know everyone else know somebody.
Yeah exactly, I know your aunt and your aunt's uncle. Yeah,
your cousin's second something. I'm sure there's probably every Yeah,
and fireman is a huge thing there. So there's like

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a large farming community and obviously lots of farmland, and
Panola County has one of the highest per capita church
populations in the country. Country. I get countrying County mixed.
You got it right, I got right. I thought it
got it wrong, just because on my computer the line
above says Panola County and then right underneath it, I've

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got country. So that's why. That's why. Yes, so it
sounds like quite a nice wee place to live. And
I wouldn't thought there'd be too much crime obviously until
this happened. But yeah, I'm gonna say it must have
been a nice place to do. That must have been
because of the story. It's yeah's happened because you know farmers,
they all go to church. She knows these been place.
But yeah, this so, this horrendous case. This took place

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in twenty fourteen. And I'll warn you now, you know,
every more murder, every murder, it was obviously bad, yeah,
but this one is particularly bad. Yeah, it's awful. I mean,
like I can't imagine just yet. There go, I'm just
telling you it's bad. I'm warned. You're warned. Listeners, You're warned, listeners,

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You're warned. Yeah so. Jessica line It Chambers was born
in the second of February nineteen ninety five. Her parents
were Ben and Lesage had three brothers and three sisters.
Her mum described her as just a normal kid. Her
friend says she loved it everybody and that she was
funny and easy to get along with. As a preteen,
she loves softball, but when she later went on to

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be a cheerleader, the softball was put on a back burner.
She did sometimes get caught up in sort of the
wrong people, but she maintained good grades at the school.
She went on to get a full time job and
she would go to church regularly. So on Saturday, the
sixth of December two then fourteen, nineteen year old Jessica

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went to the shops and she got back home. She
went in the mornings on it, and then she got
back home about twelve part twelve o'clock in the afternoon.
She put her pajama bombs on and she got herself
company in a chair in the living room and she
fell asleep. Then sometime between four forty five and five
point fifteen. That afternoon, her mum said that Jessica got
either a text or a phone call, she wasn't sure

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of which, and then she left the house, saying that
she would be back to clean up her room. She
said that she was going to get something to eat
and she'll be home in a little while. So later
that day, about eight pm, two men were driving down
a dark, quiet road in Courtland and they saw a
car on the side of the road which was on fire.

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So obviously they called nine one month straight away and
firefires arrived soon after, and everybody was like, this is weird,
Like there's a car on fire at the side of
the road, but yet there's no one around. Like a
car just doesn't it hasn't crashed into anything, like somebody
else set it on. Yeah, a car just doesn't sit
on the side of the road and burst into flames,

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So like, what the hell. So they started to get
the fire under control, they looked up and noticed what
they described as a monster walking out of the nearby woods.
They obviously quickly realized that this wasn't a monster, but
it was a girl who was naked except for a
pair of knickers. And her flesh had been burned so
much that it was Christmas falling off. Oh no. One

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of the first responders said that she was coming towards
him with her with her arms held doubts, saying, helped me.
She was obviously in shock and barely breathe in and
it could barely speak. Eventually she managed to whisper that
her name was Jessica, and that's when everyone realized that
this was Jessica Chambers, because obviously it's such a small place,

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you know, like a young girl called Jessica. Obviously, you know,
they realized who it was. So when asked what the
condition of Jessica was later, this first responder and said
that her whole body was severely burned and black, and
her hair was fried fried like she had put a
figure in an electrical socket. And she also managed to whisper,

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he set me on fire. They asked who, and everyone
that was there or the responders said they heard her
say either did it heard her say either Derek or Eric?
Her lips were burned off, her tongue was singed, and
she obviously couldn't talk properly, so she could have said

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something different, but that's what everyone thought that they heard
either Derek or Eric. So Jessica was airlifted to the
burns unit in a hospital in Memphis, which is about
seventy miles away, and the crime scenes taped off. When
searched in the area, multiple cigarette lighters were found, beer cans,
and a mobile phone which the back had been taken off,

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that was found near the car, so that was course
to the driver's side, and there was burnt clothing at
the back of the car. The car was taken away
from the crime scene, but her carcas haven't been found,
and as it was dark, they decided to come back
and search the following day when it was light. So obviously,
but they left the scene attended all night, which was
a bit stupid because anybody could go along and contaminate it. Oh, exactly.

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So Jessica arrived at the hospital just after ten pm
that night. The burns were on over ninety percent of
our body. It was only her pelvic area, her bum,
and the soles of our feet that weren't burnt. She'd
eat thermal burns, so I think there was pretty much
just no hope for her. Unfortunately, a flammable liquid had
been poured down her throat, put off her nose and

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poured all over our body. Oh that's horrific. So unlike
most people who die in fire, she didn't die from
smoke inhalation, because that's how usually you would die. She
her body shut down because of the burns, which absolutely
her red dus. She's being poured down the stuff. It
should be burned from the inside as well. She just

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totally burned, just everywhere like that. It's only you know,
usually if you're in a house that's on fire or
something like that, you would you would you would die
from the smoke inhalation before your body got burnt, so
it wouldn't be as bad obviously, Like that's still bad that, yeah,
But to actually get burnt alive like that is that's

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just I told you it was her red dus. So
she died at two thirty six am on the seventh
December fourteen, so just over six hours after being found.
So six hours is still a long type being that
she must have been an absolute agony, But at least
it wasn't more than that, you know what I mean,
I think, I think, I don't know, I thought sounds bad,

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but the fact that she sounded like she was that
badly but stuff, I mean, I mean, I couldn't imagine
if she'd survived that what it would have been like
for her. So I mean, no, I think it's better
that it's better that she died, and you know, sooner
rather than later, like the pain and the misery that
that you know, she would have been left with because
I can't imagine. I mean, I don't know if I
don't know any cases that have recovered. I think when

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I was research and I think I did see that
there was one case that I recovered recovered from that.
But but that's it so ohful, that's that's really I
just can't go with that. That should poured it down
her throat though, because you know, her mouth had caught
fire and she's like actually burning from the inside as
well as obviously the outside should be burning from the inside.

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I don't know, they don't catch with all the flannel,
but they're not putting the lighter inside her mouth anyway.
It's still I don't really want to think about too
much to her. So Jessica's mum was with her at
the hospital, but her dad couldn't go into the room
and see his daughter like that, so her mom told

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told her, told Jessica that her and her dad were there,
but she was in too much pain, that it was okay,
just you know, just to let her go and that
and that she would get her justice. And that's when
Jessica took her last breath and died. So it was
like she was sort of holding on until her mom
said no, so right, you can go, Yeah, I don't fight, yeah,

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and that was it. So so later on that day,
so that was the seventh of December, a man was
walking down a road that was less than a mile
away from with Jessica's Caribbean burning and if he found
Jessica's car key on the ground, So that was really weird,
So like why with the keys so far away from
the car. So the cares were set up to get

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tested for DNA and it was her phone that they
had found next to the driver's side of the car.
They've got a search warrant to search the phone, but
it was only for twenty four hours before her death,
which absolutely ridiculous, Like why can't weah, Like, certainly, if
you can access the phone, then why shouldn't you be
all to if it's going to help you solve a
crime of course, Like I just don't that makes no

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sense to me whatsoever. And just because like, who's to
say that whatever was on her phone is she turned
an argument with somebody or somebody threatened her. Who's to
say it was only in that last twenty four hours.
It kind of baffles me that you still be a
search warrant for her, because I mean, it's obviously the
victim's personal stuff. But if they've died or been killed

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or whatever and you need to find out what's happened
to them, then surely you should police should have I
don't think that you need permission. Yeah, So, I mean
like they should have the authority just to go into
her phone, you know, search shit supers any evidence of anything,
and you know it can help them obviously find out
what's happened. You know, it just doesn't make sense to
me whatsoever. So looking at our phone records, she had

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texted her friend Keisha first thing that morning, Keisha out
to pick. Arrived to pick Jessica up at ten thirty am,
and she had a guy called Quentin tell Us in
the car with her. They drove around for a bit
an hour and then they dropped quintin home which was
across the road from the convenience store which is called Eminem.

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And this is like this this shop, it's like a
local hangout, like everybody hangs about, because remember this is
a small town. Yeah, so this is kind of the
local local hangout. Everybody goes and just hangs about. They're
going in and get there. There's munchies and yeah, just
hang around. Yeah, people just hang around there. If you remember,
we used to have that an hour village. Remember everybody

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used to hang around spar shop. I was scared when
I was a little scared to walk pasted it because
of all the teenagers were around there. So in case
so I would like, I wouldn't walk past, I've got
different way we walk past. So investigators got this guy Quintin.
They got his phone records, and they also went to

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the Eminem store where they had cameras. And knows that
the cameras were actually pointed towards Quintin's house because you know,
I said he lived right across the road. So the
cameras confirmed that that was right there. You know what
time they dropped him off and whatnot. So the cameras
at the store also caught Jessica going there a few
times that day, and apparently this is quite normal. Like once, yeah,

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like the kids of the town, probably because there wasn't
much to do, they would drive about and then they'd
go to the shop get some snacks and they were
juice or like get some petrol or whatever fill up
their cars. So yeah, that's it was quite normal. Right.
So Jessica, as we already know, she went home about
twelve thirty and then she went back out between four
forty five and five point fifteen. She was caught on
the eminem camera at about five twenty five. Then from

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phone tower records, then destigators knew that she had traveled
to a nearby town called Batesville and got there at
about six pm. She was only there for about half
an hour and then she went back to Courtland. So
she owned her mum at six forty eight and said
that she'd be home soon. And her mom did say
later that she thought Jessica seemed a bit off, but

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she didn't know why. Like she said that when she
phoned her, like usually she phoned from the car, like
the music would be blairing and a number, but it
was just like total silence and she just sounded a
bit weird. So seventh thirty eight pm, Jessica drove to
the place where she was found, a place called Heron

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Road and the nine more mon call about the fire
was made at ten past eight. So investigators obviously they
were looking for Erica A. Derek. So you know, they
looked through Jessica's phone contacts and the kid there wasn't
an Erica A Derek in her phone contacts. And they
actually contacted every Eric and Derek in the area and

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then interviewed dim. So they actually spoke to over one
hundred eRx and Dereks and checked other phones, but no
one was near Jessica that day. Then they got another search,
another search for them for her phone records so they
could read her texts. So before they couldn't read her texts,
they could only see when you know who she had
text It's ridiculous. This doesn't seem right. I know, it

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doesn't like you can see who you text, but you
haven't been out to see that. They should be to me,
the police should have the access and avorded just to
look at what they need to look at, basically help
them in their investigation. It's just it's very strange. So
the last text that she had received, which was not
long before the fire, was from Quentin tell Us, the
guy who'd been in the car with her and Keisha

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that morning. So this text said that he was sorry
he couldn't hang out that night, but he had a
friend coming over from out of town. So weirdly, though,
when he was interviewed about the morning he had hung
out with Jessica and Keisha, he never mentioned that he
had plans to meet up with Jessica that night and
that he had canceled. It was like an afterthought. Yeah,

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So he was asked what his relationship to Jessica was,
and he said that they had slept together once in
her car. Since he was only giving up this information
when pressed about it, police were suspicious and decided to
look into what else he did that day after Keisha
and Jessica dropped him off, So he said that he
hung out with friends that afternoon, then later on he

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borrowed his sister's truck and drove to Batesville. He said
that he had went into a shopping Baitsville to get
a green Dot card, which obviously didn't know what that was,
so I had to look it up. So it's like
a prepaid debit card. So this was for his girlfriend
who lived in Monroe, Louisiana, which is two hundred and
sixty four miles away, to get her to come and visit,
as she had no money, so he put money on

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this debit card. So she must have been help book
a ticket online, I would assure, because surely there like
a number on it and he would have just give
her the number two. Yeah, I was shure that's what
it was for. So that was the pay for a
train ticket for it so that she could come and visit.
Then I would. I just find that a wee bit
strange because I was if he was willing to pay
for that then, but he not just booked to himself,

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Like well, yeah, I don't understand. That's that's strange. That
to me that that drinks alarm bell. That's a bit
random that you're just maybe trying to get yoursel an alibi. Yeah,
I just don't know why you do that, because if
that was me and say I had a boyfriend or
whatever and what to come, then I would I wouldn't
necessarily give him my details. But that's okay, I'll put
the ticket for you. I'll do it, you know, using

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my card, using ticket I would go somewhere to get
a prepaid credit card to then send you the details
that you can do. I mean you would think he
was maybe as I said, he was, maybe just try
to give him sell an alibi or something. So after that,
he went back to his sister's house to return the truck. Sorry,
he popped into the eminem shop and then he went

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home and waited for his girlfriend. So CCTV placed him
in the shop at Basbell at eight fifteen and then Sorry,
and then at the EMM store. So he was telling
the truth about all that. So investigators asked quint And
if Jessica knew anyone called Eric or Derek, and he
said yes, Jessica had told him that a guy called

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Derek Holmes was stalking her and this guy was a
convicted sex offender. So I'm not sure why he wasn't
spoken to before unless he was maybe loud out of
the area a bit. Maybe that's why he wasn't question.
I don't know. But he was interviewed if he lose
ing my voice hold on get the cold. So yeah,
he was interviewed and he said he was at home

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all night with his mum and his alibi checked out.
His mum was a diabetic and at the time of
the crime, he was actually rubbing her feet. You know
how diabetics have problems, so he was actually rubbing her feet.
And this was backed up by other people who were
at the house as well. I don't if you had
other family or friends or there was other people there
that so he was Yeah, they had an alabi. So

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Jessica did have a boyfriend at the time. His name
was Travis sand but he was in prison at the
time of her death for burglary, and it was thought
that he might have ordered her murder from prison. One
theory was that it was gang related and because she
was white and she was she was dating a black guy,
Travis was Travis Sandford was black. She was white, and

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then of course it had to be gang stuff or
just because Travis was black. It was basically just people
being racist, as the rumors like, yes, just because one's
white one's black, and they don't jump to conclusions that
it has to be gang related racism, you know. Another
theory was that he suspected Jessica was cheating on him,
so he ordered the hit and I just something. You know,

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this guy is in prison for burglary. He's not in
for like violent crimes. He's not murdered somebody or you know,
Like I mean, I mean, it's bad enough, and I'm
surely it doesn't carry a massive sentence. I would have
thought no, but like, yeah, I mean, like if he
did want something to happen to Jessica, suppose that to
be an now by him being in prison. But I

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just think, just because you're in prison for burglary doesn't
necessarily mean that you're violent or you're going to order
the hit on your girlfriend, do you know what I mean?
Like that's jump at the conclusions and it's totally that's ridiculous.
So you know what things are like the rumor bill goes, yeah,
when especially in small times, Yeah, exactly. So there was
absolutely no evidence liking him at Jessica's murder, and he
was distraught that this had happened. Turn he was he

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was cleared as a potential suspect, yes, he was said like, yeah,
he was in jail, but he wasn't in for ending
violent But yeah, you know basically what I've just said,
like burglary and ordering your girlfriend to be burned to death. Like,
that's two completely different things. But unfortunately, in March twenty nineteen,

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Travis was actually shot and killed in his house. So
Travis and this guy called Myron Powell Jr. Were playing
a dice game the night before and Travis ended up
owing Myron seven hundred dollars. In the following day, Myron
shot and killed him because it like seven hundred quids seriously,
but even so, like, would you not give the guy

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a chance to pay you? Then? Well, seven hundred has
a lot of money to get in one day, isn't it. Well,
exactly like came up by the time we get the
money together, exactly. I mean, and I look funny, but
you'll be getting your money now exactly. That's the worst
is pably not the worst of it because he dies.
But Travis's girlfriend and children were in the house when
it happened. Can you imagine that, Like you're in the house,

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that your children are there, and this guy just walks
in and shoots and shoots your dad dead off of
absolutely so anyway, that's just a sort of SiGe note.
So months later, Quentin tell Us was arrested for the
murder of a woman called ming Chen shoot show. Yeah,
Ming Chen Shout. Ming was found dead in her apartment

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in Monroe, where Quentin's girlfriend was from Lena, on the
eighth of August twenty fifteen. It's a really big I posed.
She had thirty wounds from a bladed weapon. It was
the term that she had died sometime on the twenty
ninth of July, so that was a couple of weeks
before she was found. And Ming was actually found on
Quentin's wedding day. So he was getting married in the

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woman that he's accused of murdering was discovered like so,
and he got married to the woman that he'd been
putting the money on the Green dotor card. So he
was caught as he had used Ming's credit card. Why
would you do that? That's stupid. So a neighbor described

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him saying that he had been at Ming's apartment and
she later identified him in a lineup. He was caught
on CCTEAM with Ming at Walmart. And also a guy
called Eric Hill said that Quentin told him he had
tortured and stabbed a Chinese girl until she gave up
her pin number. So basically they allegedly killed this woman

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for money. He led to get her pin number. He
did plead guilty to credit card credit card fraud and
he got ten years for that. Right, what about Eric, Well, no,
that Eric's got nothing. That's what I thought of. But no,
that nothing. Maybe it's a popular name. So whilst he

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was in jail, the police investigating Jessica's murder and got
this tech guy in and he was going on all
over the phone, going all over I can't speake, going
over all the phone records more in depth, and they
discovered that Quentin and Jessica were actually in Batesville at
the same time. M hm. So yes, he was there

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later on because he was there with getting the green
Dot card at quarter past eight, which was after Jessica's murder,
but he was also there earlier because obviously the checked
to see this is why the better to just check
everything on the phone, and his and Jessica's phones were
right next to each other, so they were obviously together.
So Quentin was interviewed again and this time, oh yeah,

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I remember now, I met Jessica and Bateswell and we
had dinner together. How do you forget that? Exactly? So
he met he met her in Bateswell and had dinner
at Tackle Bell apparently, but you know he'd forgotten heyeah,
I mean yeah, right after the after she murdered, he
was asked, it was questions forget that quick. No, he

(24:27):
said that he hadn't seen her. He had seen her
that morning, Jessica that morning, and hadn't seen her again.
So and then all of a sudden he was like, oh, yeah, yeah,
we had dinner that day. Yeah m hm. So anyway,
they said that dinner and he got a lift home
with his friend Big Mike. But when Big Mike was questioned,
because Big Mike is a guy, yeah he was questioned,

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he said, no, I was in Nashville that day at
a football game. So they got Quentin lying again. So
it was all very suspicious. So when he was told
that Mike had denied being with him, Quentin was like, oh, actually,
Jessica picked me up and we drove to Baitswell together,
had dinner and then drove back, and then they drove

(25:08):
back to his house and sat in the car in
his driveway, listening to music and talking. He said that
she left at seven pm, but she didn't because she
could remember the cameras from the eminem Oh yeah, so
it was true, Like they did go back, and they
did sit in the in the driveway, and eventually that
they did actually drive back. Yeah, and they drive back
there in the sand, the car and the driveway, music,

(25:30):
listening to music and talking. And he said that she
left at seven pm, but she didn't. She was on
camera from the eminem store leaving at seven thirty. So
I don't know why. Anyway, he was the last person
to see her, right, So I thought it swelt that
it was extremely unlikely that Jessica encountered someone else in
the thirty minutes between leaving Quintin's home and being discovered

(25:52):
on fire, Like, yeah, she could and kunter somebody else,
but somebody else, who's going to do that to her?
You know what I mean? Like he was the last
person to see her, and then thirty minutes later, some
else has killed Darn. It's a bit because I also,
I'm not sure because you don't say, But I'm just
wondering if on the CCTV, obviously can't see who's in
the car. You can't see you don't even see if
he got out of the car, but you can see
the car, Surely you would have seen the person get

(26:13):
out of the car. Well we'll get well, we'll kind
of get onto that anyway, like we'll we'll just get
on helk. So so remember Jessica's car keys had been
said for DNA tests and testing in I don't know
why I said it like that. Well, the results came
back the DNA on the keys matched Quentin's DNA, surprised Criss.

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So it also turned out that the keys were found
along a path, because remember it was like, why are
the keys where they were? So they were between the
crime scene and his sister's house, so it was like
on the way, that's that's the way that you would go.
So CCTV showed a car believed to be his sisters

(26:57):
stopping briefly at his home at seven fifty before driving
towards the crime scene. And CCTV also showed that he
had changed his clothes three times that day, which is
a bit weird. But I don't really know why it
all come to light, like, well it doesn't actually come
a light. Well just carry on, Yeah, so please again,

(27:18):
got another warrant to search Quintin's phone. We'll see, I
can understand because he's still alive. Yeah, I know, but
they were ready to look to his phone records. Remember,
so this is like another one to sit like this
must be like before we're Jessica's like, it's like we
can see who you phoned and but we can't or
who you text but we can't actually see the messages.
But now they can see the messages. So and nearly

(27:40):
every text that he had said Jessica in the past
week was sexual. He had asked her for sex on
three separate occasions and she had turned them down. On
the day of her murder, he had asked quite a
few times for sex and she again had turned them down.
It's like, get she doesn't want you then to have
maybe would've gone for dinner if somebody was pestive with me, Yeah,

(28:04):
I know, but like maybe she didn't see it as
true as aggressive. Yeah, she could take it as jokingly
or you know. I was like, well I'll read shark,
come on, like I leave it. So and oh but
all these messages actually been deleted from his phone, but
obviously the tech guy retrieved them. So Quentina deleted all

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messages to and from Jessica an hour after her murder suspicious, Well,
I say all of them. He deleted all of the
sexual messages, but yeah, he left the one that he
had sent minutes before her death, which was a really
nice one, you know, when he said sorry, we can't,
I can't hang out, and because he'd ended up saying
them sweet dreams be So you know, why did you

(28:50):
leave that one then exactly make you seem nice, yeah,
and that you weren't with her. Yeah, So he basically
deleted all the messages where he basically looks like a
douchebag asking for sex, but he keeps the one that
makes him look like a nice guy. Yeah. So Quentin
was charged with Jessica's murder and it went to trial,
so prosecutor. Prosecutors believed that while they were sitting at

(29:11):
Quentin's driveway, he tried to have sex with Jessica and
she knocked him back. Then, because he was so angry
with her, he suffocated her until she was unconscious. Then
he drove the car so that you didn't see him
anybody getting out of the car. So then he drove
the car to where it was later found. They believed
that he thought that he had killed her, but then

(29:32):
so he ran to his sister's house nearby and he
either dropped or threw Jessica's car keys, he boorrowed his
sister's car, drove to his house because remember he was
caught CTC CCTV. So I'm just letting you drink. Yeah,

(29:53):
because remember he was seeing on CTV at seven and
fifty at his house with his sister's cars. She wrote
his house where he picked up gasoline because he had
a dirt bike. So he kept gasoline in the shed,
you know, obviously for the dirt bike, and then went
back to Jessica and set her in the car a
light thinking that she was dead. I don't know why

(30:15):
I would still poort it down her throat and that's
still a bit excessive, like and then obviously he said
a nice sweet text and then drove to Batesville, where
he knew he would be on camera at that shop
to try and provide himself with an alibi. So to me,
that sounds, well, that sounds probably about right when it

(30:37):
just sounds that's probably what happened. Seems to fit the timeline, Yeah,
exactly what they've seen on the cameras and stuff. Yeah,
that's to me, that seems that that's very it's very
likely that's what happened. But Quentin's defense claimed that this
person called Eric or Derek was the real killer. They
wouldn't let this go because she said Jessica said either

(30:58):
Eric or Derek. Then I never said Quentin the said,
which is quite a different yea, exactly, it's not a
common names. Yeah, so that's what they were they were
going on, and they also claimed that the sex offend,
the sex offender Derek Holmes, had been stocking Jessica, but
as we know, he was ruled down like his Albi
was cast out. But it was a big deal in
the case because witnesses claimed that they had said they

(31:21):
heard Jessica saying Eric or Derrek did this, so of
course it did have to be taken into consideration. So
that's what his defense was relying on that she hadn't
said it Quinn and had done it. So although this
couldn't be used as fact because obviously she couldn't speak properly,
it was still in everybody's minds, so it couldn't be used.
But you can't help what's in your head, like hero what.

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So the defense kept going on that she said Eric
or Derek in that sense, nothing like quint and so
he couldn't have done it. But one of the first
responders testified and he had said that he had asked
he had said to Jessica Eric who and she and
she clearly said no. So he he said Derek who,
and again she said no, So he thinks that she

(32:04):
didn't She didn't actually say Eric or Derek, but she
just couldn't say what she wanted to. So when he
was repeating back on Eric and she's going no. But
obviously they just couldn't because she could barely talk. You
couldn't really take it as everything. So it took the
jury ten hours of deliberation and they're verdict not guilty.

(32:26):
What of capital murder? Seriously, and the judge asked if
they all agreed, and one man said one of the
juries said no, we didn't all agree. It turned out
that the jury miss misunderstood their instructions, like they were
supposed to come to an unanimous decision before they came
back out, and quite a few of them had voted guilty,

(32:47):
so they had to go back and come to I
don't understand how you how you how did you not
understand that? Like? Do you not know what the jury is?
You've got to agreed, of course, and if you don't agree,
then that's that you say we didn't all agree. You
don't come back and say, yeah, we all agree it anyway,

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So they had to go back and come to a decision.
But after an hour they couldn't reach a verdict. So
not because some people are saying guilty, are not going
I mean, you wouldn't be able to change their mind,
really would do. So a mistrial was declared. So that
had been in October twenty seventeen, and on the twenty
fourth of September twenty eighteen, a new trial began in
a different county. But in that trial the jury there,

(33:31):
so obviously a different jury also couldn't reach a verdict,
so a mistrial was declared. Again. Wow, so you tell
me that he's not been charged but he's got off
of this He sai, yeah, he's not guilty. So a
good golled, like, where does Quentin tell us today? And

(33:51):
read an article from this year, so from twenty twenty one,
and it says there's no news on whether he will
face a third trial for Jessica's murder. He is still
in prison for using Ming Chin Chow's not Ming Chin
shows credit card, but he hasn't been charged charge for
her murder either. I don't know why that's what. That's
obviously a different story. But yeah, he hasn't been charged

(34:13):
for her murder either. So this guy, Yeah, he's sitting
in jail for credit card fraud. But but there's two girls.
There's two girls that are dead and it's very likely, Yeah,
he's been involved with Yes, it looks quite likely that
he's done it or not. That's just my opinion. Yeah,
I mean, obviously he's been he's not been proven guilty.
So but from yeah, to me, it looks like he's

(34:35):
got away with murder. Oh yeah, does sound like it.
But well, I mean, as I said, I don't know
about Ming's case, so I don't know if that's still
and still going on with that. But with Jessica, I
did read things saying that hopefully will face a third trial,
so hopefully well, But unfortunately Jessica's mum she died a

(34:58):
few weeks ago, so according to her habitually, she died
on Friday, the twenty ninth of October twenty twenty one,
at age fifty two at hospital in Oxford, Mississippi. So
she died without saying justice for her daughter, because the
last thing she said to her was I'll get justice
for you, and she didn't. But hopefully there is our

(35:20):
family will still get justice for her. But but I mean,
I don't know what the ceverbody's got a right to
a fair trial and and you know, innos until proven
guilty and all that, but it does it does sound
very likely that it sounds likely that he did it.
And obviously, like we don't know every single detail, so
there must be details that is putting doubt into the

(35:43):
jury's mind. Surely they kind of gone to Eric Derek alone. No,
surely not if you know that that's not enough to
me to disprove the fact that he did it, because
I said, I mean, she was probably delirious in pain,
not with it. I mean, you know, you can you
speak properly, properly, So whatever people have thought that she said,
I mean, it might mightbe completely different. She's trying to say.
And as the one guy's asked her, clearly Eric could

(36:05):
Eric who she said, No, then I mean she might
not have been saying I mean, I don't know, but
she could have been saying something completely different. She might
not have been saying, who did it? I don't know, yeah, exactly,
but you don't know. But I think it's just absolutely off.
I mean, it was a grow some case, a horrendous
way to die, and the fact that this guy is

(36:27):
I mean, we don't we can't say that he did
do it because he had a new poor Gilly, but
like it looks very likely that he did, and for
nobody to be charged, and then especially you know this
other girl, I mean, you know, that's quite a big
coincidence that he's been involved in that, you know, I know,
it's just weird. It's just so weird that there's two girls,

(36:48):
but yet he hasn't been charged either with either. Yeah,
sitting in prison for ten years is quite impressive, though
I could it was me saying about it going you'll
be I was the boyfriend. I was thinking it was burglary. Yeah,
but that's quite a long time, isn't it. Well yeah,
I mean to me, that's still burglary that step, doesn't it.
So ten years, I know that's a long time. I'm

(37:11):
quite impressed with that. But so Lucy's in jail, Yeah,
I mean, yes, he's in jail, But you know, if
it was him, he's not able to hurt anybody else,
but I hope he does get the definitely deserve justice,
whether it's him or not, him, still deserve the justice
to find out, you know, what happened to them. I'm
sure it must still be ongoing for both of them

(37:32):
because like as I said, I didn't read any Mings case,
but surely they must still be These cases must still
be on going because if they haven't found him guilty,
then they must still be looking in other avenues see
who is guilty. You might find somebody else or to
try and get more proof that evidence that was him.
So yeah, so if if if we find any more out,

(37:55):
then obviously give updates. But yeah, there you go. So
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