The Bedsit Killer

This episode is about the monster David Fullers crimes.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello, Welcome to Crime divers I'm Laura and am Chill
and welcome today's picture on episode.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hello everybody, Sorry we are late with this episode, but.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
We're still Yeah, we did say I'd still getting the episode.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Of course we're never noted, but yeah, but we would
never not get out of.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
The patren anisode.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Just a bit of confusion with dates and school holidays, yeah,
stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
So we are here, So we're here, we'll get over
with it.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Where in the world are we We're in the UK
and the title the Beds Killer. Yeah, So before we start,
I just want to give a trigger warning.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
There's a talk of necrophilia.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
So if that's not something you feel you can listen to,
then this isn't the episode for you.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
So are we ready to go? Are we ready? Latta? Okay?

Speaker 2 (00:55):
So in nineteen eighty seven, Wendy Nell was twenty five
years old, should recently got divorced, and she lived in
a ground floor flat, sorry not flat, a bed sit
in Tunbridge Wells which then Kent and England.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
She didn't like the bedsit.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
In fact, she was kind of embarrassed that this is
where she lived now because you know, at this sage
she wanted to be married with kids, but obviously her
marriage had worked out, and here she was kind of
starting over again. She had a job at a photoshop
called Super Snaps, where she was the manager, and she
found a new boyfriend whose name was Ian.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
So she was going out with her friends more and
just kind of getting her life back on track.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
But she wasn't very happy that she had to keep
doing the late shift at work, as she didn't feel
comfortable being in the shop late at night by herself.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
On having a lock up and walk home alone.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
So her boyfriend started to come and meet her after
work and then would walk her home and then he'd
go back to his own house. And so Wendy was
a bit unsettled at the moment because there had been
reports in the area recently about a peeping tom. So
her bedsit had a poorly lit alley behind it, it
was on the ground floor, and she had a window
that didn't shut properly, so I'm not surprised that she

(02:12):
was uneasy. And also a nineteen year old girl had
been recently. She'd been alone in her room one night
when someone knocked on her front door, so she got
up to answer it, and it was, in her words,
a strange looking man telling her that she shouldn't leave
her bedroom window open. No, she shouldn't leave her window open,
especially in the bedroom. So she must have been watching

(02:34):
her flat to know that it was her bedroom window
that was open there. Yeah, I mean, why you would
knock on the door and tell her not to leave open,
I have no idea, but yeah, that was just making
everybody uneasy. So in the morning of the twenty second
of June nineteen eighty seven, she left her bedsit at
eight point thirty and she walked to work. There was

(02:56):
a new member of staff starting that day, so she
was showing them the ropes. She had a pretty normal day.
She finished work at six thirty, she went home, grabbed
some dirty washing and went to the laundrette to wash
her clothes. She left there at eight pm and she
went to her boyfriend Ian's house and she watched TV
there with him and his mum. And Ian then dropped

(03:18):
Wendy home at eleven fifteen pm. So the following morning,
Wendy didn't turn up for her shift at work, so
her co workers straightway were wondering what's happened because this
wasn't like her at all. She was hardly off work,
and when she was off she would always call and
let them know she wasn't coming in.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
So they called her, but the.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Phone just rang and rang, so they then decided to
call Ian, so when he answered the phone, he was
just as confused as they were. He had dropped her
home last night and assumed that she would be at
work that morning, so he went straight over to Wendy's house,
but there was no answer when he was knocking and
shouted through the letterbox, thinking that she might be still asleep,

(04:00):
still lasser, so he walked around to the back and
saw that her bedroom window was open, so he climbed
through it and unfortunately found Wendy's body on the bed,
and she had obviously been murdered as there was blood everywhere.
So he ran to the nearby fire station for help,
and when the police sent her body for autopsy, they

(04:21):
determined that Wendy had been hit over the head with
a blunt instrument and strangled to death. She had also
been sexually assaulted after death. This had been a brutal murder,
like blood was pulling all over her face or sorry, sorry,
blood was pulling all over the place, and her face

(04:42):
was like just full of blood and bruises. The sexual
assault afterwards was so brutal as well. This murder was
an absolute monster. He raped her corpse vaginally, anally, and orally,
and a murder about in different position to do so.
So they could see that the door was locked from

(05:05):
the inside. There was no signs of forced entry anywhere,
and no signs of a struggle. The place hadn't been ransacked,
so this hadn't been a burglary. This person had climbed
in the window with the sole purpose.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
To do what he did. Yeah, so there were a
couple of items missing, her diary and her keys.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
So I'm assuming as they were of no value, they
were like taking as a trophy. She had no defense
when so most likely she was either asleep when she
was attacked or hit over the back of the head
and knocked out straight away.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
So we don't know if the attacker was already in
her flat or fe'd wait for it would be sleep.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
But I mean, if you think about it, I would
have thought it was more likely that he was already
there because if she was asleep and.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
He was somebody was trying to get in his windows.
She might have woken up.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Was really I think it was quite quite an awkward
window to kind of get in, so you would have
made like a bit of noise, would have been struggling
a bit to get in.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
So I mean, both scenarios is absolutely horrendous.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
But like I don't know, if imagine if we'd already
got in and was lying and wait for her to
come in and then just knocked her over the back
of the head.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
But if she was at work obviously and then come
and you could be lying in waiting for her in
there the window open. Yeah, And the thing is she
hadn't left.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Was the reason that the window was open was because
it didn't she hadn't left the.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
Window open, you know what I mean like that.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
But then if she was living in a bed set,
you would have thought, because obviously she didn't own that
bed set, so she would have thought the landlord that
should have been fixed a broken window. So once a
murder investigation was underway, a neighbor of sorry, I'm just
getting over the cold. So if my voice sounds a
bit croquet and a cough a bit, I really do apologize, I'm.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Trying so hard not to. So once the murder of
investigation was underway.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
A neighbor of Wendys came forward and said that they
had spotted a man looking in a window in the
house opposite them. He'd watched for a few minutes without
before being disturbed, and then he dran off. So it
would be a big coincidence if these were two different
men hanging around the alley that night. So it did
look like this man was just looking for an opportunity
to an opportunity, an opportunity.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
To get in.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
So, you know, it didn't look like it was a
personal thing, an opportunity, but then later on it does
look like a personal thing, so I'm not quite sure what.
So Unfortunately, none of our neighbors had heard.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Anything that night.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
There was no nobody heard any screaming, no loud noises, nothing.
The neighbors couldn't give much to a description of the
man that they'd seen looking in the window. Other neighbors
came forward talking about prowlers, but their descriptions were all
a bit kind of all over the place. Of course,
there was no CCTV in those days, so they were
a bit of a loss. So at the crime scene,

(08:06):
investigators did find two prints. One was a bloody footprint
on the cuff of one of Wendy's blouses, and the
other was a bloody fingerprint on a shopping bag. And
there was also semen found in Wendy's mouth and her vagina.
But because this was the nineteen eighties, none of this
was any good as there was nothing to compare to.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
You know, there was no other database. Technology wasn't as
advanced exactly back then.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
The only way it would have been any good was
if they had a suspect of mind and they could
run tested any against theirs. But they didn't have a suspect,
so they hung on hoping that with the advances and
technology it would come in useful one day, and unfortunately,
Wendy's case went cold. About five months later, Turnbridge Wells

(08:55):
Police got a call from a staff member of a
restaurant called Buster Brown's. One of their waitresses hadn't turned
up that day. So her name was Caroline Pierce and
she was twenty years old. They'd been trying to get
a hold of her all day and they were worried
because they knew there'd been a murder a few months
earlier and that the killer hadn't been caught and It's

(09:15):
understandable that they're worried because the restaurant that Caroline worked
in is actually on the same street as the Super
Snaps where Wendy had.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Worked, and she only lived about a mile away from
Wendy and a ground floor beds it, so it probably
felt a bit close to home, you know, they were.
So the police went to Caroline's flat and they knocked
on the door. There was no answer, so they knocked
the door down.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Neighbors came out to see what was going on, and
they told the police that they'd heard shouting and screaming
the night before, but unfortunately nobody had reported it or tried.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
To see what happened.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
So Caroline wasn't in her flat, and as they looked around,
they didn't see like a handbag her keys, And after
asking questions, they determined that Caroline had been working the
day before at Buster Brown's. Then after a shift, she'd
gone out with some friends. She got a taxi home
at about midnight, and it looked like she had been
attacked on her doorstep whilst she was either trying to

(10:16):
find her keys in her bag or maybe even just
putting the key in the lock.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
And this is obviously what the.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Neighbors have heard her to scheming, So I sort started
for Caroline, but she was nowhere to be found.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Her family did public appeals on TV and radio begging for.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Any information on where she was. So it was three
weeks before, unfortunately, her body was found. Our murderer must
have grabbed her from the doorstep and putting a car
as she was found forty miles away. She was naked
except for a pair of tights and a drainage ditch
on farmland in a place called Romney Marsh. The reason

(10:53):
that it had taken so long for Caroline's body be
found is because the field.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
That she was in was like really overgrown.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
And the reason the only reason a neighbor's a neighboring
farmer saw her was because he was so high up
in the tractor, so he was in the neighboring farmer
and he could see over the long grass and that's
how you could see the body because obviously where she
was it wasn't looked after this this bit of land,
so it was lucky that the neighboring farmer saw. So

(11:21):
we don't know exactly what happened, like was she murdered here?
Or had she already been murdered and dumped there, like
had she been alive for the whole forty miles knowing
that something terrible was going to happen here, and we
thought of that of all. So her body was sent
for autopsy and our and her murder was very similar

(11:43):
to Wendy. She had been brutally beaten with a blunt
object and strangled, and she was also raped after death
like just like Wendy. Her clothes, keys, and her passport
were missing, so again the murderer had taken a trophy.
The police straight away connected the two murderers, and when
they checked for DNA, because she'd been in the water,

(12:05):
it had washed most of it away, but they did
find a tiny amount of semen and inside her tights.
But makes you wonder why put put her tights back
on though, because they stripped her totally naked.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Why just put the.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Tights back on? And I'm only putting put her tights
back on. But it's lucky that he was stupid. Great,
I'll probably passed the cold onto her. Yeah, it's luckily
he was stupid because when they tested that DNA against
the DNA and Wendy at match so they knew were

(12:43):
definite that this was the same killer. So the murders
were all over the news and in the papers, and
they were hoping that this would put the killer off
murdering again, as there was so much coverage about what
the media had named the bedsick killers beds murders. Sorry,
got that totally. I've got I was still recovering from

(13:04):
the cold. That's bet excuse and I'm sticking to it. Yeah,
So the media had called them the beds At murders
and it looked like it works although no one Although
no one had been caught, there were no more murders,
and these cases went cold for years. Of course, the
police kept checking in now and again, but they didn't
have much success. In nineteen ninety nine, twelve years after

(13:28):
the murders, there was now a database that investigators could
run the DNA through to say they could get a match,
but unfortunately the killers DNA didn't match anyone on it.
By two Thy nineteen, forensic experts had delivered.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
I'm not doing very well.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
By two Thy nineteen, forensic experts had developed new techniques
for collecting DNA from a damaged sperm sample like that
on Carline's tights and they managed to create a full
DNA profile from it. It was ran through the data
gase data agasea base pronunciation.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
It was rather the day. I'm just it was ran
to the database and there was no match.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
So this killer hadn't committed any of the violent crimes
in over thirty years.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Or none at least that were unsolved, or that he
might may have left danaa so which is pretty surprising.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
You think if he had committed two brutal murders and
got away with it, he would try again. Well I
have an idea why, but we'll get to that, yeah,
at the end of it. By twenty twenty, they applied
another relatively new technique, quote familial DNA, which allows scientists
to identify whether someone is related to a person whose

(14:44):
DNA is discovered at a crime scene. So they ran
tests after tests, after tests, and by the end of
twenty twenty they had narrowed the search down from my
billions down a thousand people who had similar DNA to
that found at the crime scenes. They then they managed
to get down at about ninety and they asked all

(15:08):
those people for a sample of their DNA and they
were brought in for questioning about their families because.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Obviously this is just familiar. It was none of them.
It was familion, familion, familial, whatever.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
So they eventually found one guy whose DNA was so
close to the killers that they must have been very
closely related, in fact, so close that there was a
billion to one chance that the killer wasn't his brother.
So when questioned, he told investigators that, yeah, he had
a brother who had lived in Tunbridge Wells at the
time of the murderer.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
So bingo, they had him. So who was his brother? Well,
you might know because I said this was in the
in the news the past few years. But knowing Laura,
I'm not very good. But surprise.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
So his name was David Fuller and in twenty twenty
he was sixty six, so that made him about twenty
two to twenty three when the murders were committed, and
that was went along with what the police thought, you know,
they thought it was somebody in the early twenties. So
since the murderers, he had been married three times. He
was still married to his third wife, and he had

(16:20):
three or four children. I've seen different accounts I mentored,
and he had but his youngest was a teenage boy
who was still living at home with his mum and dad.
David worked as an electrician and an engineer throughout his life.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
He liked birdwatching, cycling and photography.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
He was well liked and respected in his community, and
he just seemed to be a normal guy living a
normal life.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
So this doesn't sound like somebody who's murdered, does it.
He actually had it been such a normal guy when
he was younger though.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
When he was a kid, he liked to set fire
to things, even houses, and then in his late teens
he liked to break into people's houses.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
When they were asleep.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
He would steal whatever valuables he could find, and if
he found their carcas, he would steal their car from
the driveway. He was caught three times, but he never
served any prison time and his DNA was never taken.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
Wow, which I'm sure that doesn't happen. Now he's got
the fingerprints and stuff. Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
So back to December twenty twenty, the police went today
his house in West Sussex, which is the town next
to Tunbridge Wells, and arrested him.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
I mean, his wife and his son were there. I think.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Imagine that you've obviously got that's not even the worst.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
Well, that's.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yeah, that's bad. That is bad, right, That's all I'm
saying now. So when he was questioning, he said he
didn't know Tunbridge Wells very very well. He didn't know
Buster Browns or the Super Snap Shop. He'd never been either,
and he denied murdering Wendy and Caroline. His house was
searched and diaries were found, and he'd been very good

(18:04):
about keeping diaries and writing down everything.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
So there it was in black and white that yes,
he did know Buster Brown's.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
He went there regularly when Caroline worked there, and he
had been stalking her before murdering her. Also in black
and white were receipts of jobs that he had done
over the years in Tunbridge Wells and also in Buster
Brown's at the same time that Caroline worked there. So
if he had receipts, several receipts of jobs that he
had done in Tunbridge Wells, he did know the area,

(18:31):
but pretty well, yeah, and that's probably where he first
saw Caroline, Like if he was went and done a
job there, and.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
So are you ready for some pretty good police work here? Yes,
I was impressed because you.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Know, and you know, a lot of the time sometimes
we question it, but a lot this is like twenty
twenty now, so obviously, but they went through thirty four
thousand photos that were in David's house, like physical potes,
and yeah, and there was one photo in the nineteen
eighties where he was lying on his stomach and his

(19:05):
feet were up in the air and the soles of
his shoes could clearly be seen. They matched those shoes
with the bloody print that had been found in blood
on Wendy's blouse to thirty four thousand photos.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Yeah, so although these shoes.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Had been made by the popular shoemaker clerks, there had
only been a limited amount of these ones made, so
they're actually pretty rare. But to get that from thirty
four thousand photos and to match that print and to
see them on his feet, so obviously he owned fo shoes.
And also they found a photo of him on a

(19:42):
cyclon path. He was he was a member of a
cyclon club and they confound with the members of the
cyclon club that this path went straight past the field
where Caroline's body was found and they used it regularly.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
So he was also familiar with that area, And I mean,
I wasn't confirmed, but I do think that him having.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Thirty four thousand photos printed, then there's a good chance
he got them developed or some of them developed super snaps,
and that's where he met I think that's probably where
he met Wendy.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
So whether he actually knew Wendy, I mean he.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Was a regular customer, or whether he just saw had
a thing for her fodder home, you know, or if
he was friendly, we don't know, but I think that's
a good chance.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
So that makes me wonder about you.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Remember, I said, the prowler in the alleyway that night,
it looked like they were just looking for an opportunity.
But then if he did know Wendy, or maybe he
was looking for Wendy's house where he didn't know exactly
where she lived, he was.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
Just looking at somebody else's window because he was a
peeping down because it wasn't her.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Window that he was looking at, it was somebody else's window.
So that's why he could have been looking for an opportunity.
But then it seems a bit coincidental.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Those development back in those days, you had to go
somewhere to obviously do that. You had a photoshop, Yeah,
like that, So they must have came across there. So yeah,
so if it was him looking in another windows, then
he was maybe just killing time waiting for her to
come home or something.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Like. Well, I don't know, I don't know what kind
of area that place was. It could have been quite
bad for prowlers. Anyway.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
His fingerprint matched the one found on the shopping bag
at Wendy's flat, and his DNA also matched the seamen
found on Wendy and also on Caroline's tights, so there
was no doubt about it. Yeah, after thirty three years,
the best At murders had eventually been solved.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
But unfortunately this is not the end of the episode. Okay.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
When the police were investigating the murders, they found videos,
so this is how they found out that David was
even more of a monster than the originally thought. David
Fuller currently worked as a maintenance man and caretaker in
the Tunbridge Wells Hospital. He had worked there since two
thousand and eight, so he'd been there for twelve years.
He was well liked by his co workers. No one

(22:13):
had a bad word to say about him. They said
that he would chat about his wife and kids, and
he would get on well with everyone, but they had
no idea just exactly what David had been up to
for all these years. So it's all the areas of
the hospital would need maintenance work done at times. David
had a key card that got him into any room,

(22:33):
any department on any floor that he needed to be
on for the work to be carried out. And David's
favorite place in the hospital was the morgue when he
was on a late shift, once everyone had left for
the day, he would let himself in and he would rape.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
Corpses. Do you have to Oh?

Speaker 2 (22:55):
No, And I did read quite a bit of detail
about things that he did, but I felt quite sick
reading it. So I'm not going to go I'm not
going to scar you or our listeners with that information
because I knew you'd read exactly the way you just did. Yeah,
I don't even think it's I don't even think it's disgusting.
I just think it's to me, that's not the right

(23:17):
word for it, for it. Well, yeah, I think that's
what it is like. But to me, he's just when
I think he discussed on things, I think it's something
that tastes disgusting or you know, like I don't know,
somebody's spitting in the street that's disgusting, like things like that.
Of course it is, so I think that the probably
just isn't a word that is horrible enough. So he

(23:39):
knew that no one would need to get into the
morgue after a certain time, so he knew he'd be
safe and he wouldn't get caught. You always had his
tool box with them no matter where he went anyway,
so even if someone did come in, he would be
ready with that towel box to make up some lie
about something needn't fix that never happened though that you
never ever got never ever got caught, and nobody ever
came in, so got away with it every time. So

(24:03):
he would video himself raping the corpses and would upload
them on a hard drives and SD cards. He had
three mobile phones, and the storage on the memory cards
and then.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
We're all full.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
And there was also a lot of child sexual abuse
on the hard drives and SD cards as well. It
wasn't anything that he had done, but it was stuff
they had downloaded. And the stuff that he was done
was raping the corpse. Female corpses but as far as
I know, no children. I don't know if that's right,
I don't know. So all in all, they found around

(24:42):
five million files altogether of film filming himself, plus childerbish
photos videos that he had downloaded.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
So that's five million, that is ilm a lot.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
And after the police found all these videos in the morgue,
the David's key card and found it had been used
to access the morgue thousands of times.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
So police believed that he was responsible.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
For committing necrophilia against at least one hundred patients in
the margue at that hospital, but they reckon.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
It was way more than that, Like I mean, like
hundreds more than that.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
But the hundred that were it was only because these
hundred were confirmed and they were confirmed from the video
footage as the bodies, so that you know how, like
obviously the bodies they have name tags on them, so
and like a hundred of basically a hundred of these videos,
the name tag was visible so they could can confirm.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Yeah, that's why they could confirm a hundred. And they
also found.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Diaries in his house and there were details of the
bodies that he had raped and sometimes even went back
to the same one like more than once, and he
had also worked at other hospitals over the years, so
he could well have been doing the same thing in
other morgus but either not video ed it or hid
the evidence really well, or maybe he got rid of them.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
So my thinking is, as we said, it was pretty
surprising that he hadn't went on a murder again. But
I don't think that was what I don't think that's
what he had in mind for Wendy and Caroline. I
think the fact that he murdered them was because he
wanted to rape the corpses so they murder.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
The murderer wasn't what he wanted to do, but he
had to murder to fulfill his access to the whenever
they wanted. Basically, he didn't need to murder anybody else.
I think that's exactly what it is, so that.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
That wasn't what he wanted. He didn't want to murder,
He just wanted the dead body. The dead bodies as horrendous.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
So David Fuller was charged with the murderers of Wendy
Nell and Caroline Pearce and a further fifty one sexual
offense top of that. So in twenty twenty one, he
pleaded guilty to the sexual offenses but not guilty to
the murders. Then just a few days in at the trial,
he changed his plea to gilly. So he was given

(27:12):
a whole life sentence for the two murders and twelve
years for mortuary offenses, which would run concurrently because he
was going to be in prison for the rest of
his life anyway.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Sorry. Then in twenty twenty two he was charged with an.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Additional sixteen offenses committed at mortaries. But the sounds of
things he'd just done so much more than that, but
we'll probably never know exactly what.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
Yeah, there's you know.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
I mean, it's bad enough that you've got what we
have got confirmed, but he'll never get a present to
do it again.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
So at least ys for a whole life order.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
But yeah, I'm surprised you hadn't heard about it was
it was all over the news obviously, twenty twenty one,
twenty two, twenty and there's there was a documentary that
I haven't seen, but it was on Sky something or other.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
I think it's two Parts of Monster in the Morgue.
It was called well, I remember what channel it's on,
but I haven't watched it, so I don't know.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
There might be a lot more detail on that, or
there might be I don't know, but you know, as
I said, like when I was researching, I did read
a few more disturbing details, but it wasn't anything that
anybody needs to know. You don't need to know, like
every single detail. I think what I've just told you
is bad enough.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
And he is actually known, he is.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
He's known as the worst necrophiliac in Britain, not that
any other ones, but I.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
But imagine imagine being his family.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, and not knowing like he's lived a relatively normal
life from the from.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Them for the last thirty odd years and then they
find that must be quite traumatic as well, because like, yeah,
a man that you.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
You don't you didn't want, No, you don't know, an
absolute monster that he was, and it's wrecked their.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Lives as well, Yeah, you know, as well as the
victims obviously, you know.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
Yeah, I mean I did. I've read briefly, you know,
about somebody that i'd be. I think they were actually
it was a family that were in a car cash
and the two daughters died.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
I think they were like maybe late teens, early twenties,
and the two daughters died, and the mom found out
that that he'd abused and there was another one, you know,
there was somebody that had actually lain next to her
daughter and been stroking her face and things like that,
not knowing that this monster what he had already done her.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
You know, it's absolutely I mean, and then there's.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Going to be a lot of people who are not
going to know, you know, They're gonna be like, well,
my family member was in the morgue in those twelve years.
You know, twelve years is a long time, and there
will be a hell of a lot of bodies in
that morgue, so I mean to not know as well.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Yeah, So there you go. There's that's the again, the
monster and the morgue. That's why. That's why. So thank
you to everybody for listening, and sorry we're late, but.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
We will get this one out and then the mysterious
one will be out Roundabo at the same time or
maybe maybe day later. I'm not quite sure yet, but
there will be very close together. So thanks everybody for listening,
and we'll be back to normal next month.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
See you later. By