The Body in the Woods

This episode is about the murder of Sinead Wooding.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hi, I'm Laura and am til and this is divers.
Hello everybody, welcome to today's episode. Hello. They were here

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for a Patreon boy. So we're in the world, are we?
We are in England again again? Again? Yes, I know,
I said, you see what you.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Can do a lot of like America and I keep
doing UK ones.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
But that's sorry, relevant matter.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
The crime happens all over the world, unfortunately it does, sadly.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, and we have a title. It's called the Body
in the Woods. The Body in the Woods. Okay, so
should dive in. Let's dive in? Okay? So sorry, she
need I was trying to say. She ned we die.
Had a bit of an unsettled childhood.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
She was born in nineteen ninety and she lived in
Leeds in England. At the age of four, she moved
away from her mom to live with her dad and
her half sister Natalie. She was a sweet, fun loving
little girl and as she got older she was quite pisty.
She used to get Natalie in trouble a lot, and
Natalie would get the blame for everything. Sounds a bit
like us. You were the younger one and you got

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to be murdered. And I've got the blame for everything,
so exactly. Yeah, that sounds a bit like us.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
You're sisty as well, so that's but they were close
here as well.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, and Natalie adored her little sister and would always
look out for her to.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Say, oh do you dormda, of course you're my.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Sister, you would be here, didn't live in there Dooria,
Well I don't I love you? Right, So, by the
time she reached her mid teens, Natalie had already moved
out into her own house, and things of usn't have
been going too well at home for she need because
she went to up with Natalie. She had a strong
independent personality, and Natalie referred to her as a wild

(02:04):
child and that she didn't listen to the rules. She
didn't want to listen to Natalie's rules of you know,
normal things, howey, bearing by a certain time, keep her
room tidy, do chores, all the normal things that are
expected as teenagers. So she just wouldn't stick to the
rouls she was having her about.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
So like Natalie was like, off you go where you go?

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, so my responsibility, yeah exactly. So she aid ended
up moving back out. So when she was seventeen, she
made moved to.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
London and she met a man there.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
They had two children together, but unfortunately the relationship wrote
down as she moved back up north and started trying
to make a life for herself and her kids. So
she did a brickley and a plasterin course, and she
worked in a garage as a mechanic, and then later
she trained to be a hairdresser.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Totally totally different.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yeah, because it's like, all nice that she's going at
something that maybe is predominantly like a male job.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
But then because.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
She went from one another really but apparently she was
like she had a really good work working. Yeah, she
was hard working, and she she she wanted to make
a better life on herself and her children, and she
she made a big decision and that was to convert
to the Muslim faith, which.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
That is a big decision, that is a massive decision.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
And it said that the main reason that she converted
was because she wanted to get away from the alcohol.
She wanted to use that as a means to stop
drinking for the sake of her children, who she absolutely
doted on her.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Kids because Muslims don't drink too, but they mustn't know.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
But I just think that's quite a big change, you know,
but you know that's what she wanted to do, so
fair enough, you know, for her.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Her sister, sister.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Natalie, said that lots of conversations about it because she
was obviously like why, I just totally understand. Well, I
mean if you keeping me and said that you were
converting to a different faith, I'd be like, well, I
would be asking, yeah, because it's not in our culture.
You know, that's not something you know, I suppose you
don't have to be.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Any faith, but naturally you wouldn't expect me to be
a Muslim. Yeah, exactly, especially if.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
I'm not like maybe different, if you maybe you were
married to one, or you were converting for somebody, Yeah exactly,
but just tell the blue du Yeah, you would be
like why, I mean I think that's what just because
she don't understand.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, her sister did ask a lot of questions and
she said she just said that's what she wanted. She
never did a feel explanation, and she just said that
she preferred to live that way.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
So you know, our family accepted it because you know,
why wouldn't you.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Oh, yeah, that's what she wants to do. So she
started living and Islamic lifestyle. And it was while loving
her new life that she Neede met Aksha Ali who
was a year.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Older than her.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
So I think she must have been two and him
twenty three when they met. So the other world romance.
They met two thousand and fourteen, having this Islamic wedding
within six months, and they went on to have two
children together, so she had four children all together. So
they lived in a place in a place called Potter Newton,
which is a suburb of Lads. Akshar was a daughter

(05:16):
and husband and father and they seem to have a
great marriage. Her friends noticed how this new lifestyle and
the security it brought her and her children's sitting said
her sister Natalie said that.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
She seemed to be happy. She was good. He actually
was good with the kids, and he provided for.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Shanaid and he supported her and she didn't want for anything.
So on the living to me, twenty seventeen, the family
were invited out to a party at the home of
a friend called Yasmin Ahmed a few miles away. She
need Akshar and the kids all went into the house
and the atmosphere was a great no party at everybody's happy.

(05:57):
But a few hours later that amosphere and the party changed.
Guests at the party heard Actually and Saraide arguing, and
then they went at the kitchen. As I'll kind of
get to it later, but they went in the kitchen
to argue, and then Actually had told guests that she'd
gone home, so she'd stormed out and left. So when
Sharaid having stormed out of the party, actually I was

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left to round up the kids and take them home.
But when they got home, she made wasn't there. She
didn't come home at all over the weekend, leaving Actually
no choice but to report her missing. He told the
police he didn't know where she was and that she
made a habit of just disappearing, that they.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Turn of argument, and that he was worried about her.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
He had been trying to text and find out where
she was, but he couldn't get hold of her. I
don't know if he tricked just to text, but I'm
not sure that you know they would trying to get
hold of her. Yeah, So missing personal restigation was launched,
but just three days after she need had gone.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Missing, a body was found.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
So the fourteenth of May twenty seventeen, a group of
joggers discovered and there were the women's body and a
place called outwood like Crags, which is like a wooded area.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
The body was wrapped up.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
In a derby who was tied up with wire, diced
on petrol and set a light and the body was
actually still smokering when the doggers found it. Can you
imagine that must have been awful nice sight? And I
just think, I don't know, like, just to set a

(07:27):
body on fire, that's I mean, it's obviously bad enough
that you did, somebody's been murdered, but to me, that's
just just mays it ten times worse.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
To set a body on fire. That's just awful, especially
you know, for if.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
That family was going to identify the going to identify it,
they wouldn't. And I don't know, it's just something for
me that I just find really yeah read, it's just yeah.
So immediately a murder investigation was launched and the body
was taken for a post wartum, identify the micdam and
establish a cause of death. Fortunately for the police, although

(08:05):
most of the body was burned and damaged, the left
thumb print wasn't damaged by chatting or burning, so they took.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
A print from that and they were able to identify
the body as Shearade woulden.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
So investigators said that her body being bound by wire,
wrapped in her dowby and set a light is actually
quite unusual in the UK, and there could be all
sorts of reasons to hide the wounds, to burning and
crazy the evidence of the murderer. It might have been
a hide fact that who she was who she was
to completely hide her identity. So obviously the pathologists had

(08:39):
to determine the cause of death and whether she Made
had died as a result of the fire or was
the fire an attempt.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
To destroy the body or can seal evidence.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
So initial examination she Made's body gave police a crucial
piece of information.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
She hadn't been murdered where her body was found.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
It was quite clear from what the post mortem examination
found that she was that she had to have been.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Killed elsewhere and then taken to the woods where she
was found.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
So the post martin revealed that she need had six
stab wounds, one of which had gone through her windpipe,
and she had head injuries and.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Keeping with the use of a plot hammer, Well you're
looking very uncomfortable there.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Well, yeah, I don't know, it was just, you know,
very often looked like that. It just looked up at Yeah,
you were just like just looking really uncomfortable there.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
I don't like it.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Given the absence absence, given the absence of defensive type
injuries to her hands and arms made that she Need
must have been hit over the head first and then
stabbed when she was unable to defend herself. So police
needed now needed to find out where she Neede was killed,
who killed her, where was the murder weapon?

Speaker 1 (09:56):
So they needed to find out where she.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Had disappeared to after Lee went the party, so detectives
started looking at she Need's last known whereabouts.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
So they found that at the party, if it was
fine until actually she started drinking. I thought they didn't
drink Well apparently not, but.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
I'll start again. They were They were actually the only
ones who were drinking alcohol. Which that's odd, isn't it.
Well I was just about to say something, but what
do you think of odd?

Speaker 3 (10:26):
But the fact that they weren't drinking alcohol, like you know,
because you say, become a Muslim, wasn't drinking alcohol? And
then I'm assuming that you know, they go to a
party where obviously I don't know if their friends are
obviously in the same boat. They're maybe Muslims and don't
drink alcohol, so you wouldn't think there would be alcohol there,
So why would they I couldn't because I think I

(10:48):
could understand them more drinking alcohol if there was alcohol
the party and everybody else was drinking alcohol. But if
they already supposedly don't drink it and then a party,
would nobody else to drinking it?

Speaker 1 (10:57):
What makes they drink to drink it though?

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Because they're not just going to go at party and
all of a sudden started drinking, So they were obviously
drinking before that.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
But what I was but I was like to was dreaming.
What I was about to say, I just want to
see if you were going to say the same thing
is like the depression of whose house it was that
was yas when amed Muslim.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
So I'm assumed that the other people people at the
party were probably Muslims.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, so yeah, it's unusual for them we'd.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Be drinking because it sounds like it's a non alcoholic party. Yeah,
and because there was kids saying as well, because like
they were kids. So it does seem a bit strange
that nobody else was drinking. Kids are there and probably
other people's kids as well or there, So.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Why would you be drinking. It doesn't sound like that between.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
The party, yeah, exactly. Yeah, so, I mean, especially when
they weren't meant to be drinking either. At one point,
you know, decided not to do that fait. Yeah, she
didn't drink, and I'm assuming that.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
I don't know. She must have went back to drinking.
I don't know when she went back to drinking.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, but she was also the back drinking. Yeah, so
they were only on sword her capital. So they then
I wed in the kitchen and actually then went in
the living would get the kids to take them home.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
And told everyone that she made had stormed out the
back door. So that's when the party had ended.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Well, police were trying to figure out where she Neid
had gone after the party. A discovery was made at
the Woods coast to where she at Shanade's body was found.
The police actually found a petrol receipt, so from that
they could obviously see which petrol station it came up.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
To have like the day entire and check their CCTV.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, so the wents the petrol change petrol station and
checked CCTV.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
I should have just she just said that I interested. Yeah,
what she did.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Yes, So they identified the car that had been filled
up with petrol and then checking the town CCTV.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
From there they could see the car.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Being driven to the streets of Porter Newton late on Saturday,
the thirteenth of met So police sees the car for
for or friends.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
I can't speak.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Police sees the car for forensic examination as they believed
this could have been the vehicle of.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Transport of Shad's body to the woods.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
So there were bloodstains found in the car and they
sent them for DNA analysis and the DNA profile matched.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
That of Shied. So obviously the owners of.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
The car were questions, but they had an alibi for
the night of she Need's disappearance.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
However, they admitted to the police that on the night
of the thirteenth of May, they had loaned the car
to a friend. Right.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
That friend was Assim Ali, the brother of Action. Right,
all these's names were gonna.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Be A's because you've got Asim Ali and Actual alley
mouthfuls so, but both as Assim I don't know if
A were Assim Mo goog aside an Actual. So they
were both arrested.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
OK, So detectives start to look into she Need's marriage
to Action, and they actually found out it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
A good relationship all the time. It was very much
of the time.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
So she had always tried to present this perfect relationship
and perfect family. But there were some suggestion that they
had agreed at some point that they would spend some
time apart, and she made it also started wearing Western
clothes again.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
So obviously, you know something that to Action.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Would have signified a loss of control over her something
and it's something that he could tolerate. So, as we know,
she made a converted to Islam to could take control
of her life and game. Sorry, as we know, she
needed converted to Islam to take control of her life

(14:45):
and give up alcohol. But police discovered that as her
relationship deteriorate, she started drinking heavily and confide to their
friends that she wanted to leave Action.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
I'm surprised.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
I can't understand why she's drinking a bit of He's
a Muslim, why is he drinking? Well, I'm sure I
probably a lot of use I don't know, I mean,
there may be I mean, well, much.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
About religion, faith all that kind of stuff. But like,
for instance, she had people who are a certain like,
we're Protestants, but we don't actually go to church, no,
so we're not like sort of practicing. So maybe there's
Muslims that aren't actually practicing Muslims.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
I mean, is that allowed. I don't know I should
think about stuff like that because I really don't know
anything about I mean.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
That faith, That's what I mean, because I can understand
she did't doing it because she converted to that, she's
born into that that faith.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
But if he is, maybe he just had a snaky
drink and just didn't didn't want I don't know. I mean,
we're we're just speculating. But I did watch the TV
show Benidorm and there was a Muslim on air and
he was hard drink. So maybe they don't all follow
it really, So yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
I mean, we can't.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
I'm kind feel a bit uncomfortable talking about.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Things like that that I don't really know anything about,
so we'll just kind of yeah, we.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Don't know, Yeah, we don't know. So and it realized
that actually was a very controlling individual.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
She need wasn't even allowed to see her friends all
those shocks. Well, we know that she's spoken to friends,
but I don't know if that's her vocals and stuff,
because she did say that she wasn't allowed to see
her friends, So unless she sneaped off to see.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Them or something, I'm not quite sure. Obviously we can't
always get the details. Nothing you can't get a hundred.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
So she was discouraged from seeing her own family as well,
so she was it was isolating her. Yeah, she'd been
thinking about leaving Actual, but she'd actually been hesitant to
do something to do so, mainly because of the children.
She was known to have about a problem with alcohol,
being a bit unpredictable and maybe even.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
A bit violent sometimes.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
So if she was to leave her husband and he
was trying to get custody, she could use that against her,
editate the kids, and you know, that's just the one
thing that she was absolutely terrified of.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
So actually would he would have used the children as
a mean spy which could just keep control of her.
So I'm assuming that's why she she was hester.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, so police believed that Actual was she made the killer,
because that's.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Because I was thinking that at the start.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
But then I was thinking, but how would how how
has that happened if the people at the party said
they went into the kitchen to argue and then he
came back through and she was gone.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
So I mean the opposite, the found her letter. This
is true. We'll find out, We'll find out no good.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah, So the police believed the actually was she aids killer,
but then still had no idea where she was killed.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
So they looked back at our last known moments.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
On the tenth of May twenty seventeen, she aid had
actually made a call in the West Georgian polite. She
said that her husband was making malicious calls and sending malicious.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Texts to her.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
I found texts a hard word to say, text texts,
So yeah, just kid she had. The next day, she
aided went house hunting with a friend because she has
said she was thinking it was I don't think she'd
kind of quite.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Got there, but she was. She was making about our plans.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah, so she went to a house hunting with a
friend and when she got home at chard said they
were going to a party at Yasma's house and that
was the last time anyone saw her alive.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
So obviously the guests at the party were questioned.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
So we know that at Chart and Shade were arguing
at the party, and one of the guests has said
to that, I'm like, look, you're going to argue, Like
go get the geture take.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
But the guests could could still hear them arguing, and
then there was a loud bang and Yasma went into
the kitchen to see what was going on. So she
came back a few minutes later. Oh, it's just Sharied.
She's drunk and she's bumped into something. Not to worry about,
you know.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
And the party carried on, but police were actually they
were now starting to wonder shared had even left the party,
because when the police spoke to Yasmin, it became clear
that the two people that had last seen Shaned before
she died was actually Jasmin.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
And because the last place she was seen was at.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yazmin's house, the police believed that this was the most
likely location at which.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
She need had been murdered. Okay, So the fact.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
That some people who had been at the party were
saying that they did hear a loud bang and they
didn't see Shaned after that convinced the police to do
a third search of the house.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
So two days after she Neede's body had been discovered.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Crime scene investigators arrived at Yasmin's house the search, but
the initial police and forensic examination found no trace of
Shaned being attacked in the kitchen, like.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
There was no blood or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
But after a while police noticed something the entrance to
a cellar. Oh okay, it was like a certain years
the front door, I like, I and you couldn't.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
It wasn't obvious. I don't know if it had like
a rug over it or something like. Okay, so it
it just said.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
It wasn't actually obvious, so they wouldn't have rosed it
straight away, so it must have been covered.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Right.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
So when they looked in the cellar, they saw an immediate.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Drop onto a concrete or stone floor of about eight foot.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
So police docks were brought in and I identified what
they believed to be blood staining, in particular a large
area of blood staining on the.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Middle of the cellar floor.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Okay, So forensic investigators carried out in ten sections of
the cellar and.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
They could see the large blood stain in the middle
of the cellar floor and it looked like it'd be
like wiped or cleaned in some way. Yeah, So the
investigators believed that someone had been laid there for a
period of time whilst injured and blaeding, And it.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Was obvious that some attempts had been made to clean
the walls as well, cause there was like sort of
bluff slater around the walls, and they were particularly there's
particularly a lot of blood around the foot of the ladder.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
So they tested the blood and it matched the blood
of Shade surprise, surprise. So it looked like she was attacked,
and she was. It looked like she was attacking the kitchen,
but obviously not enough to cause bled in or something. Yeah,
so that do think that's what the bank was. Yeah,
I don't know how he's done it, but it's obviously
actually I've done it because else was there.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
It was just the Joe name of the kitchen, so
he's obviously done something. M And then he's bundled her
in the cellar.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
And then how does he know the seller's there? And
there was that where yehs mean as their friends, well
a lot, I know, well maybe I suppose. I don't
know how good friends were though, because well I haven't
got to that. So he bundled her at the cellar
where she felt at the floor eight foot below on
at the hard floor, So it looks like she was alive,

(21:56):
but she was murdered sometimes afterwards in cold blood.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
So she's obviously went smack on the floor and obviously
she's been bled in and then she's been killed afterwards.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
Oh god, So she has been suffering like already and yeah,
has broken gones and the stuff I don't know, like
obviously wanted something to help her.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
And then then she's been murdered because remember she had
staggered since she's one very so police believe she was
murdered in the cellar and her body left there for
two days before being wrapped in her day we dumped
in Woodland and selling.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
The seller was then cleaned in an attempt to remove
all the evidence of her murder.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Police believed that actually couldn't have carried out the crime alone,
and they arrested Yaslin Ahmed might have.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
To because it's her house, her seller.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
So they were both interviewed over the following turty days
and they both denied how anything to do with she
needs murdered.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
They said they had no idea what had happened, and
as the police knew that an attempt had been made
to clean the cell are.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
They arrested a woman called Vicky Briggs who lived it
was jam I was gonna say Jamanda. I think she
was Jasmine. Hey, Yasmin, Sorry, Yasmin's housemate, right, So five
people were now in custody. So we've got actual Ali
and Yasmin al ed on suspicion of murdering charade. You've

(23:21):
got Vicki Briggs, the housemate helped clean up to the
the scene as a as a Ali actually brother, and
one other person on suspicion of assistant and offender.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
I've never I never found out who the other person was.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
So so yeah, so five people were under arrest. So
Yasmin and said we're friends.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Though, so you know, where are they predominantly like his
friends that she's met through him.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
I don't know. Don't ask your questions. I don't know.
They ask.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Police soon discovered that well, actually relationship with his wife
was breaking down.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
He was growing closer.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Ya don't tell me they're fair well when I don't know,
they were, like they were really close friends and it's
suspected that they had started a relationship.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
So I don't think it was ever confirmed, but like she.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Need wasn't happy because on his way home from work,
Actually would pop it and see Yasmin first, and he
would spend a lot of time at her house.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
And obviously, not surprisingly that that led to arguments.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Between the Actually and she Need, because well, yeah, but
your husband's leaving work going to somebody else's house and
spend time with them before coming home and spend time with.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
You, then yeah, I would be quite happened quite readily
on an argument about that, because that's not that's just
like you can understand like occasionally like it was, yeah,
I mean there's nothing job doing it now and again
I mean you know, yeah, but if that was happening
all the time, I'd be like, well, why are you
going to her house?

Speaker 1 (24:56):
Like yeah, but I think it made all the different
sets of women. I mean like, yeah, it's it's like, you.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Know, John might come go for work in company's dads, Yeah,
for a coffee or something like that, So it's like, right, fine,
you know, but the fact.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
That it's another woman, Yeah then and it's one of
her I said, whether or not it's predominantly.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Actually friend or stuff his friend as well. Yeah, So
I would be pretty pissed off with my husband was
popping into my friend's house on the way back from work. Yeah,
I'll be like, why mm hmm, what you up Tom?
But suspicious exactly. I mean me and John have a
female friend who lives in the corner.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
She's predominantly well I've met her through his family, but
you know she is mad friend.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yeah, but there is times where John, because she's sort
of friends with her.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
She's a different situation because she's got a man as well.
But yeah, you know, sometimes he would pop in for
a coffee, even if if her man wasn't and you
having for a coffee.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
And say hello, but like not all the time and
on there, like yeah, on the way from understand the
odd occasion.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Yeah, but no, that's just that's not.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
So at char and Yasmin were tired with murder, but
the question still remained as to who dealt the failed blows.
The child began in November twenty seventeen and Yasmin both
clearly not guilty.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
To murder and basically dis woined each other throughout.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
So the court heard that despite keeping up appearances, the
relationship between she made and that ACTA was filled up
with alcohol fueled arguments and violence. Janaid's family were shocked
by some of the details about the relationship that came
out in court and the fact that she didn't confide
in them and they didn't know stuff that they would
have wanted to help with.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
It just showed that he had successfully isolated her because
she had said that she had a good relationship with
her since she actually had two sisters.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Sorry, she had two sisters, and she was close to Natalie,
the one I was talking about earlier.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
So I think probably before that Natalie have expected her
confidence see up a better.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
So her family were shocked because they thought that she
was in a good relationship and yeah, clearly she.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Wasn't that that was good awful, So they had.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Said her family thought she was on a happy marriage
and if they knew that she needed help, they would have.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Done anything to help her, and said.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
He then kept her away for her family and made
their thing there for him.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Was all right, yep.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
So they had no idea that actually actually had CCTV
cameras trained on the house. So one of their neighbors
game evidence and said that whenever she made left the house,
actually I would turn up and stop her.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Phone going out what because he was alsously he must
have access to CCTV and obviously must be nearby, like.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
He worked at the local market. He had like a
market stop.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
So I don't know how close they lived to that,
but yeah, that's apparently what would happen.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
I don't know it was like all the time. But
what's gonna say, because truly he could be watching it constantly. No, yeah,
that's what I like.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
As we've said, we can't, we don't know every single detail.
But yeah, it's obviously happened. The neighbors are always happen. Yeah,
it has happened.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
So the court heard that the couple often argued when
she needed to be drinking, and actually I said that
she would often disappear, as they claimed as he claimed
that she had done the night of her debt, but
that was dispute disputed.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Because there was no one else to back that up,
like nobody.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Else said that she did that, and he was it
was almost like he was saying that just to make
it sound like she hugged ye, just make it seem
like it was normal.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yes, she disappeared as usual because like you know, everybody
that you have said, she never left the children, so
anytime she did go out, it would be to either
visit her sister or a friend. So she did get
because remember, were he one of shares, she'd have seen
her friends, so she wasn't get them again, but she
always took.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
The kids with her whenever she went out she could kid.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
And then I said, of course she was scared that
he would take the kids because he'd even threatened to
take the youngest one to Pakistan.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
They don't know why. I don't know the two youngest
or hits. Yeah, but I don't know why only friend
to take the youngest one to Pakistan. I don't know.
There must be a reason.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
So doctor Jane Monkton Smith, who is a friends and criminologist.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Said, had the hashtag yeah, not doing very well to
do controlling people think.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
That they own their families, their partners and their children,
and they sent her their own.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Needs completely, So you can imagine actually thinking.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
How dare this woman who I actually don't want to
be with, and like, it's not like he wanted to
keep her in the relationship. She was getting in between
him and his sons, so he'd probably be planning it
for quite a long time.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
He just maybe was looking for an opportunity.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
To put that planet in the operation into Sorry, so
she needed confiding the people.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
That she was being a solid. She did tell people
that she.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Was unhappy, and she did articulate to some extent that
this was the domestic abuse, which we've already realized that.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
But I think what that means is like she would
really realize herself. Yeah, because you know, some people.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Who are in domestic abuse him abuse of reliciously maybe don't.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah, they don't recognize that that's what it is initially. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
So Paul Johnston, who is a retired homicide detective, said, quote,
Shanied was definitely a victim of domestic abuse at the
hands of actual Alley. He was a controlling bully. There's
no doubt in my mind that he coerced and controlled
Shade for most of the time.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
That they were together. He would abuse the children as
a means by which he could just keep control of her.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
And I think the motive for the murder was that
ultimately she had had enough and decided that she was
going to leave him.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Quote. So I think he's known that and that's why.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
So he's basically, well, if you relieve me, you know
you're not you know anyway, Yeah, he's.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Because he's probably thinking, he's probably think about the kids
as well, Well, you're not taking my kids.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
So, as I said before, at Char was playing in
his innocence and had his own He had his own
theory as to get killed his wife. So his story,
as we know, was that he and she needed argued
and then she had stormed off and that was the
last he saw of her. He said.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
The only logical explanation for Shanade's body having been at
some point in the cellar of Yazmin's house was at
some point Shanad must have come to Yasmin's and it
must have been Yasmin's Yasmin murderer.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Okay, her nice to treat your friend well apparent rather
the wonder relationship your life, nice to treat your You're gone.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
So at Char believed that there was no scientific evidence
linking him at the killing, and the killing.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Happened in Yasmin's house, So how did they believe on him?
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
So, realizing that she was in the frame, Yasmin changed
her story because she's like, hey, no, I'm not taking
the full for this exactly.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
So instead of saying that she knew nothing about the murder.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
She said that she had no involvement in the actual killing,
but she cleaned up the cellar because if she didn't
and the body was fired there, she would have been
the prime suspect. But the prosecution's case from Mede that
both Yasmin and Akt Shara were involved in the actual murder. Okay,
the JUNI saw CCTV footage from the night of thirteenth

(32:28):
of May which caught Yasmin in act shar walking along
our road near her house. They then borrowed a car
from an acquaintance, and as we know, that car was
used to move she Need's body. So I'm kind of
confused as to why why they said it was actual
brother unless he initially borrowed the car and then they
took a bit confusing there.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
But yeah, so the car was used to move to
move she Need's body from Yasmin's house to a woodling crags.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Well, then to me, she's just as gooty as isn't it,
even if she didn't actually do the physical act of murder,
if you choose to help somebody and move their body, then.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
So that footage a lot of the evidence at Yasmin's
house was damning. So Akshar's brother plus the defender.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Whose name we don't know. They were cleared of.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Helping to assist an offender, but Atuar, Yasmin, and her
housemate Mickey were all found guilty. So Akshar and Yasmin
were both sentenced to life in prison, with a recommendation
that they said at least twenty two years before they
become eligible for parole.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Vicky Briggs, she was send us to four years for
helping to cover up the murder. So still actually, so
do you have a theory?

Speaker 2 (33:52):
I think it's just him and she's just kind of
went along with it because it was in her house.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
And maybe but they're a game by Do you think
maybe they had a plan to murder her, get a
picture and.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Then they would run off on the sun set with
the kids. Maybe, I mean maybe it was planned, maybe
because the party was like the cover up. Yeah, that
was the set. That was the set and oh you've
all heard you you know that.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
You know I came back in and said she's stormed out. Yeah,
so that it wasn't so was it planned?

Speaker 1 (34:31):
I think I might have my feelings on it are that.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
I think they must they yasmine and him must have
been having an affair and they decided they.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Want to be together. Why kill somebody though, And.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
She was obviously she was a problem because they knew
that they wouldn't get the kids, so the only way
was to get her out of the picture. Conveniently, she's
got a seller. You know, it just sounds like, you know,
conveniently she disappeared, you know. It just to me sounds
like that was planned, and that was their plan, was
that they were hoping they were going to get away

(35:04):
with it.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
And they were going to get the kids no matter what. Though,
Like I just like whatever happened, however, whether it was planned,
but it wasn't who did it? Who were both involved? Yeah, So,
but if it was just him.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
That did the actual murder, she could have any point
upon the place and said, look what this has happened
in my house, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (35:25):
And if she hadn't done anything, then they.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Would get appeased to be she was a willing participant,
yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Because like you say, she would have been like one
of the places and stuff and getting them the saying
this has happened or whatever. So yeah, yeah, so just
as an afternoe she made other sister.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Katie had these words, always playing with the butterflies, always
tried to hide.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
My beautiful little sister was always by my side.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
I will always have our memories. I could never say goodbye,
not now, not then, not ever, forever asking the question
why I will always have our memories. No one will
ever see the moon. They'll lie the sky at night.
No one can take them away from me. I will
always love you, Shady, and when I feel it praise,

(36:14):
I will look up.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
To the sky at night. I will always have our memories.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
That's sad, Yeah, there's may need no maybe, And then
those she's got four kids who will be left without parents, said.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
Oh yeah, because that's it. It's not even just your
mom's gone, but your dad's the prison.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
So now, no, it never is. So thank you for listening,
and you shall be backstair. But I don't know and

(37:01):
don't want to, and the