September 2, 2025 • 32 mins
This episode details the crimes of Anthony Hardy.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, I'm Laura and Angel and this it is Craig Divers. Hello,
(00:21):
every gony, Welcome to you today's episode.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
So we're in the world, are we job? We're in
London and UK. Okay, and we have a title. Yeah,
it's called the Candon Ripper Canden Ripper, Yeah, because I
was the Candon's in London. Well, I'm saying obviously, like
everybody knows that. Obviously it's a place in London. Yeah,
place in London. So one of our lovely listeners, Neil Yeah, has.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Got in contact and asked us to cover this case.
Han Neil, Hi, Yil. So yeah, obviously it's a Patreon.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
So yes, we thank you very much for asking us
to cover our case.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
We're always open to covering cases, so.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Especially because you know it's especially when it's on it
we haven't heard.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Of so exactly, so hopefully Jill has done some good
research and made it.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Well let's see, right, shall we dive in? I was
just going to say that you're ready to dive in.
I'm ready to dive in.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
So this this case takes place in Camden, which is
in London in the UK. So on the thirtieth of
December two thousand and two, in the North London headquarters
of the Metropolitan Police, a disturbing call came in. Someone
reported that they had found some human body parts outside
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a pub. So a homeless man had been rubber gin
through the bins looking for food and he'd found a bag,
so he put, you know, pulled his bag out and
at first he actually thought it was like pilets or something.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
You'll like go like steak or okay, but you know,
obviously dry, it wasn't. He pulled them out and he
could clearly see that they were the calf muscles of
a lower leg. Oh god, yeah, yeah, well imagine finding that.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
So first responders rushed to the same corner of the area,
and the bins were at the back entrance to a
pub and as soon as the detectives got got there,
they could smell human decomposition.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
I couldn't say that there.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So I mean, like, you know, this, this part of
London's had its fair share of crime, but like finding
body parts, that was unusual. Yeah, So the police started
our investigation with the man who had found the body parts.
He was very cooperative and he waited for the police
to come after calling them and went in for question then,
you know, and the police were happy.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
That he had nothing to do with that. I just
found it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
So with no other witnesses, the team had to start
considering where the rest.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Of the body was. So obviously they had start to archer.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So they talked about the possibilities of like body snatchers, merchary.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Thieves, you know, all that case thing.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
But they came to the conclusion that these were freshly
cut legs, right, and the scene was just the just the.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Just the rubbish bin, you know what I mean, that's
not where it happened. And yeah, you know, that's just
what it was. I don't know what else to say there.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
So the police started doing house house in quiries and
they were they were searching more bins in the Amediate.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Area, but they didn't find anything. So the following day
they extended their search of bins.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
And it must be like quite a horrible choke to bins, well, yeah, because.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I mean there's there's watson people's bins.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well yeah, I mean, well I was just thinking, you know,
like people who have dogs, like they're just you know,
they're picking up the ship from the garden putting it
in their bins, aren't they so that I'm like nappies
and stuff. O.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
God, mean, it can't be a pleasant smell. It's funny
say that about bins.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Is that I was taking my daughter to school this
morning and the bins were getting emptied. So the men
were actually there, but they weren't even like and ma
bit and my street. They were like quite a bit
down and I could just smell the smell, like, and
I was like, oh, their truck must actually smell disgusting
because it was just in the air.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah. So you imagine like having to search bins then
that must have.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Been a horrible thing to do, but it had to
be done. It had to be done there. Yeah, So
they extend extended the shreds to the bins, and they
extended the house to house inquiries as well. So that
day another bag was found in a bin and it
contained a small torso two parts of a leg upper
and lower.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
So now but now they had three legs. Oh, so
there was obviously more than one person.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, so they had three legs and some long, dark
almost black hair.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
So now they knew that they had two.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Victims, but not even one complete body, and both both
the victims were female.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
So there were place police teams everywhere like search small.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
The bins, and there were you know what the what
do you call it the landfill sight and Abraham yeah, seption,
can you imagine. So, yes, there was sexual the bins
in the area. And in one of these bins police
found a blood stained brat. So the bin belonged to
a resident, to the resident of a flat, and that
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person was Anthony Hardy or Tony to.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
So Tony was already well known to the place.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
He had been arrested at the start of that year
for criminal damage to a neighbor's front door.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
It was January of that year and the neighbors they
turned a dispute over a leak or something.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
You know, I don't think it was anything to me,
that had a bit of a dispute and he had
gotten he'd got aggressive and he wrote on her front
door the neighbor front doors.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Like befeted on it. And I was like saying, she's
a slating not very nice words on the front door.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
So obviously she reported of in the place, and like
they turned up and like he said, it was a
big gat.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
He was like really quite aggressive. So obviously to a woman,
but you know, she was pretty scared of thee and
like it was like especially when he was like, as
I said, he was aggressive, but he was like in
her face and came outine a big guy. Yeah, that's
quite scary. That's quite scary.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
So police had gone to Tony's flat obviously when she
had reported them, and they let them in and they
noted straight away that one of the doors.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Inside was locked.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Remember this is at the start of the year, this
is in the current time, and they noticed that one
of the doors was inside was locked. So they asked
him he had a key for the door, and they said, no,
you couldn't find it. But the officers thought he was
adding suspiciously, so they searched him and.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
They had the key's pocket.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, so they obviously unlocked the door and it was
a bedroom. So they went into the room and there
was a woman's naked dead body on the bed and
she had cut some bruises on her head, was just
rind So of course, of course, the room was sailed
off straight away and Tony was arrested on suspicion of
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murder as well as the criminal damage. So the woman
that was found on the bed, you know, the dead
body that was Sally White, and she was a local
sex worker. So although her body was found in suspicious circumstances,
the police couldn't arrest Tony until they found the cause
of death.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
So when interviewed, Tony told.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Officers that he had an alcohol problem and that he
had been drunk when he woke up, and when he
woke up, Sally was dead and he was but he
had no idea why she was even in his flat.
And it was funny because I read a couple of
different reports and there was one that said she actually
lived with them, but then there was another one that
said that he.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Lived locally and he did use sex workers.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
So I'm just thinking they probably just maybe used their
services and that's why.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
She was there. Yeah, that's what it seems the most. Yeah,
So I don't think they live.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I don't think she lived there, as I said there was.
I did see a report where she did, but I
don't think. I don't think no flatmates, right, Okay, So
a post postpartum was done in her on Sally, but
the conclusion was that she died from natural causes from
a heart attack, okay, And it was discovered that she
she did have a I don't know if I can
say this word. Probably a congenital is the right word.
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Genital problem, you know her like the blood conduce.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I don't know if that's what that means. But a
heart problem, I don't know either.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
It's a congenital heart problem. Okay, So I don't think
that's what I don't.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I think yours? Yeah, I think so. But anyway, and
that's what she died from.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
So no charges related to her death could be brought
against Tony because it was actually.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Just like locked well and he didn't. They tried to
spend that he didn't know where the key was. Yeah,
I didn't get that.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I thought she had at least have been charged for
obstructing something like because.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I mean, why would you why would you have the
door locked, and why would you try to pretend like
you didn't know where he was if you didn't have
something to hide?
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah, exactly. That to me, it's like he's had that.
He's obviously hid the body in there. That's what's been happening. Yeah,
but there was no and if she.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Died from natural causes, they couldn't remember like phone an ambulance.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
I didn't want an ambulance.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
But I'm saying that he could have right, Okay, Yeah,
I thought you said that you couldn't remember.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I thought you just said they couldn't remember phoning an ambulance. No,
that's not I don't think that's what I said. What
did you say.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I don't actually don't know. I've forgotten anyway, Yeah, you
would they would be seems a.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Bit suspicious, Like I just yes, if they're saying she's
died from national causes, that's one thing, but yeah, there's
other circumstances there. Why that would make me suspicious?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Like sure the police must be a big question, and why.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
I mean, or if they don't have an evidence, but
they can't charge them with anything.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
No, but they can't charge them with her death, but
surely they can say, like they can charge.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Them with not a report and a.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Death instructing her getting like medical health be could have
saved her life for I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
But then again, he could just say like he didn't
know that she was dead because she was in the room,
and if it was a key that was locked, maybe
she could a lot to put the inside. But then
really they would say to see if there was a
key from the inside.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
But rang it's got keen of pocket. Kane of pocket
though well not really because it's his house. Well no,
but not.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
But what I'm saying is, like it is, it is possible,
very unlikely, but she could have had a key and
locked it from the inside.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
You know, well it's possible.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
It's possible, but you would think that they if if
they police thought that, then they would have looked for
a key.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
This is true. So so it was two sided to
have the story what there is. But his deaf was suspicious,
Oh of course that is totally agree to be there
just saying like, you know, maybe that's why there Maybe
they couldn't bring the.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Charges against them because they didn't have concrete evidence for
in the charges.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Against them other stuff. So so he was.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Charged with the criminal damage on his neighbor's door and
he had to go to court and he was actually
sent to psychiatic hospital for treatment and he was.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
There until November two thousand and two. So I happened in.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
January, so he was in the psychiatic hospital until November,
and that was seven weeks before the dismember bodies were found.
So that's how Tony Hardy was known to the place
because obviously what's happened in January, and he became a
personal interest obviously after finding the bloody brat and he's
been so they got setche Warring for Tony's flat and
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when he got there, the door was open, but Tony
wasn't there, soviously we're back to the president then. Yeah,
So they went in and they noticed how dark like
the color of it was. Like I staw put police
footage of the flat, and there were like pictures painted
on the walls.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Were like crosses and there's like.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Pictures and people, but they kind of looked like but
not maybe a kid had drawn them, but you know,
it wasn't like professional paying inter like somebody's just been.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
On the walls.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Basically, there were no carpets on the floor, and the
floors had painting something like painting on the floor as well.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Doesn't sound very homely, No, it doesn't look very nice
at all. And there was also a buffetti on the
doors and the walls.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
And I read another report that there were the walls
were covered in Celtic crosses and cruciforms.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Now I didn't know what a cruciform was.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
I had a vague idea was something to do with crosses.
Oh yeah, so I looked up. So a crucif arm
is just a term for physical manifestations resembling a common
cross or a Christian cross.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Basically, that's what it is. It just cross, like somebody's
own design or something. I don't know. Well, just physical.
I don't know what that means.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Physical manifestations resemble on a common cross or a Christian cross.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Basically just drawing some across, that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
So there were slumbers of dried skin and flesh stuck
and smeared to the wallpaper.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
So there must be a wallpaper in.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Some bits, because as I just said, like the paint
that there was drawn to the wall, unless there was
maybe plain yeah, like line of.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Paper or something maybe I don't know about. Yeah, So
that's horrible.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
So there was a devil's mask on it on his bed,
which I'll come back to later because that does actually
play a part.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
And there was lots of pornography. There was like a
really grubby bathroom which looked like had never been cleaned,
and the other bedroom door was closed. There was a
towel or something along the bottom of the door. Because
I was looking at the the.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Police, and so the back of the bedroom door looks closed.
There was like a towel of something along the bottom
of the door, you know. I was kind of covered
the gap to.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Keep the heating. And there was like there was scribbles
like got on the door, like s at paint on
the door, and there weird.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
So the officers went in and they saw something wrapped
in bin liners on the floor. And I just have
to say, while I was watching this video, the house
was dead quiet, and I was just watching the video
camera go in and I saw this.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
You actually see the.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
The bin liners, and my phone rang literally and it
was nighttime as it was, and I was just like
totally staring at this screen.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
You know, it was like twelve o'clock at night and
my phone rang. I nearly shipped myself.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
So anyway, so on top of the bin liners was
a hack saw and see knives and what looks and
there's like what looks.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Like blood like it wasn't press wasn't pleasant. So they
opened the bin liners and inside was the torso of
a woman's body. He didn't see that, they do, No,
I didn't see that.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
So the Tarsi was sent to the marchary for a
post mortem, and they secured the scene.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
So one officer said that on the hat, so I
could actually see like a little bits of skin. It's
just terrrendously.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
So when they the rest of the flat, they found
camera equipment and along with the devil's mask that I
mentioned earlier.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
So it looked like Tony had been making.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Some sort of like sadistic pornography with his victims.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
So the living room.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Had three TV's in it, and they were all hooked
up to like video recorders, and they were like pornographic
video cassettes on the coffee.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Table, like three tvas in your lover room.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Something there, right, Absolutely so, doctor David Holmes, who is
a criminal profiler, said, quote, the perpetrators here clearly has
the perpetrator sorry here clearly has some form of sexual problem,
very driven to sex, but not very good at delivering it.
This would be a recipe for someone who becomes obsessed
with pornography, where the fantasy world.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Can take over a great deal from the real world.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
This possibility would indicate that his actual killings were for
the purpose of producing pornography.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Imagine not just killing him for a pornography.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
By posing his victims and masks that makes them anonymous,
but makes and make them so that they could be
anyone when he views them again later, and so it'll
fit into his fantasy.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Because I can't sy their way pretty sure. Yeah this
is a very dangerous man. Sounds like that.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
So the place you used chemicals and you relights to
look for evidence, they decided to use illuminol.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I don't know. I mean, I don't know if people
know what luminol is. Like I only knew it when
I watched another documentary a couple of years ago. I
didn't know where it was until.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Then, so I thought, I'll let you know just in
case anybody don't know. So illuminol is. It's used to
locate blood at a crime scene. So how it works
is that the iron and the hemoglobin in the blood,
even if it's been superficially cleared away, it will react
so see like blue, Yeah, it will be the UV
like yeah, like it kind of glows.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, it will react with the illuminol to create See
you spoiled. I was coming. I was gonna come out
with a big word there. I'm still gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Even if it's been superficially cleared away, will react with
the illuminol to create a chemic luminescence, which basically means
a glowing right.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Okay, you could have said that without a big word
why because.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
I was it was a science person who was saying it,
So I was just basically saying.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
What she said, and she said it was a kind
of chema luminescence. So yeah, So basically the blood of
glow you can see it, So then that can be
photographed to detect areas where blood may be present or
have been present in the past. So even if you
cleaned up and it's not visible all the name die,
you can still see with alumino. So there was blood spatter.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
In and around the bath, so that would definitely be
there definitely been a body dismembered in the bath.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
When tested, the blood in the bathroom matched two females
whose body parts had been found in a further unidentified female.
On the third day of the investigation, police identified one
of the victims as twenty nine year old Elizabeth Valid.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
With only a torsio on a leg.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
The pathologists had uced some unusual techniques to identify the body.
Elizabeth had actually had breast unbumming plants, so she was
actually identified.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
By the serial number one air bum.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
You know, sometimes getting implants can be useful, definitely, although
you don't really.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Well no, you don't want to be identified by them, No,
not really, but yeah. So the met Police considered Tony
Hardy a.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Danger to the others and at least these details in
the press in it, you know, and to attempt to
track them down.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Because they're like, right, we need to get hold of
this guy.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
So his face was all over the news, on the
TV and every newspaper, try and find him as soon
as possible. So once the place that identified that Tony
was most likely the killer, they looked.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
In his background. So he was fifty one.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
He was born in winds Hill, near Burton on Trent
and Stafordshire, England. He was the youngest child of four
and had a normal, uneventful childhood, nothing to report. So
he met his wife, Judith when he was studying engineering
in London and they married in nineteen seventy two and
they moved to Burris and Edmonds. He worked as a
senior manager in an engineering company and they emigrated to
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Australia and they had four children together, but the marriage
eventually fell apart. Tony returned to London because he got
deported from Australia. He had been arrested for domestic abuse
as he had hit his wife over the head while
she was in the bath, and his weapon was a
solid lump of ice in a plastic bottle. So he
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had obviously planned that because he obviously had to. He's
obviously feels up a bottle the water and froze it.
Oh yeah, so but thos a heart renduously.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
That's awful. That was like to get hit with a
lump of guys out you know, it's like with somebody
truck snowball itt. Yeah, it's and it nice, I know,
because but you can feel that I somethings when your
look sice. It was heavy, yeah, hard and sharp in
places as well. Yeah, that was his weapon of choice.
So lovely man. So obviously she got deported, so he
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was back in London.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
So he was traded in psychiatric hospitals across London where depression,
drug induced psychosis, and alcohol abuse and he was diagnosed
with bipolar disorder. He began a life on the streets
in London, moving between hostels and drinking heavily, and at
some point he ended up moving.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Into into his flat.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
He was arrested in nineteen ninety six when a sex
worker accused him of raping her, but the charges were
dropped due to lack of evidence. So that was just
just a little bit about him, because he started off well,
he had like a normal childhood.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
He was an he was senior manager.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
And an engineering company, married kids, moved to Australia exactly,
they have They actually sounded.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Like had a good life. Yeah that point, so I'm like,
what went wrong?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
What?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
What? What changed? What?
Speaker 3 (21:16):
What made them into potential this psycho that has killed people?
It's I don't know. Yeah, it just goes to show
that you could have what was like a perfect life
and still end up being a you know, like.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Because a lot of people do, a lot of criminals
blame their actions on their pastor their childhood, all that
kind of suing. You do find a lot of people
who you know, who do go into crime and they
have had bad childhoods. But this guy was just like anybody,
any other person. And yeah, so anyway, so as the
investigation went on the police believed that Tony had been
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targeting sex workers.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
So Camden is very.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Close to King's Cross and at that time, King's Cross
was an epy center for prostitution, so there was a
lot of crying there.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Like you know, like drug squabberies. It just didn't feel
like it wasn't really a very.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Safe place to be, you know, when people were traveling
through that area, and apparently back then it just.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Wasn't wasn't nice.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
So if anyone, but if anyone wanted to go and
look for a sex worker, then the sex was readily enough.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, I mean obviously if you wanted like.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Sex, drugs, all that kind of stuff, but if not,
not really a safe place to be.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
So it looked like Tony hard irregular.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
And came to this area looking for women, you know,
to satisfy his needs. So police were checking the CCTV
footage and on footage day, the nineteenth of December two two,
Tony was caught on camera putting body parts in a bin,
which was only about one hundred yards from his flat,
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so it didn't even bother.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Go very far. I mean, come on, but I think.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
It's because he thought that the rubbish would get picked
up quickly.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Because because obviously you know when your n's going. So
but because it was the Christmas period, the.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Schedule was different to normal, so it didn't the bins
didn't get picked up when they were supposed to get
picked up, and he didn't know that hour, so obviously,
if they'd been emptied when.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
They were supposed to be, the probably got away with it.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
So really, Christmas time, you should really checks when your
winds are going to Wow.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yeah, exactly, because you know the change.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
So the rations aret to found Tony because they needed insulin,
and officers were afraid that if he didn't have his
medication and he was drinking, then.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
He could be even more dangerous than ever.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
But they thought that because he has medical problems, they
probably wouldn't straight too far away from home. So it
was called a CCTV going into the University of College
then coming back out on the first January two venty three,
which I kind of thought was strange because I thought,
why is it open on the first January? Like I
thought everyone was shutting the first of January.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Yeah, that's weird.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah, he was actually, so the footage on I don't
know what he was doing. He was in and then
you seen him come back out, so it shaved his
beard off so they had a better description of him
now and they started watching hospitals because surely would need
to get more insulin at some point.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
So also on New.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Year's Day two thousand and three, he went This is
the same day he went to the Great Army Street
Hospital to try and get his medicine.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Great Armistry is another kid's hospital. Yeah, but you'd still
be so must have been close. Or maybe he went
there because they thought, well, it's the kid's hospital. People
won't expect me to go there. Who knows so, but
an off JD.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Police officer recognized him, so he called nine nine nine
straight away, So the police arrived.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Tony realized that.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
He'd been spotted and he ran into the garden area
around the back.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
So two officers ran after him and caught up with them.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
He put up a good fight, and he had like
a little knife, so he actually stabbed one officer in
the hand, and he also managed to dislocate the officer's
eye from its soccer o and he knocked other officer out.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Remember he was a big bog, so the one that
he had injured, he did a good job. Like he
managed to keep.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Hold of him until other officers arrived, so the Candon
Ripper would be caught and arrested, so he was taking
a Colindale police station. But once in Cussiday, it was.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Realized that Tony wasn't in the best of health.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Had to laugh at this, but a doctor saw him
and sent him to hospital because he thought he had
gangrene on one of his legs, and naturally the hospital
washed his leg and so it was just dirt.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
So that's yeah, that was.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
But it was like, but why didn't if a doctor
saw him, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
He would think that he would have done well. He
obviously just kind.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Of remember, just gave a quick once over, not very active.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
That was quite funny that it's just dirt.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
So he was interviewed and a psychologist, Jillian Boone, it
was brought in. His involvement in the investigation was because
of his background as a specialist and massive massages. I
can't say that word necrophilia and then cannib paribalism.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
So I saw some.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Police footage of an interview and Tony was asked if
he knew that bin at all? Have you ever used
that bin, have you ever gone to that bin? Have
you ever put any rubbish on that bin? Have you
ever taken any rubbish out of it? And he just
basically answered no comment. All those questions.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Luke is going to say, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Know why the points boller asking a questions sometimes because
they're just gonna say no comment. So the investigation continued
and they were still trying to identify the second victim,
and by the third January they identified her as Bridget McLaren,
who was thirty four.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
The other victim, Elizabeth.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Valid Vallad and Bridget were both sex workers, and what's
the word named more links to Tony came to light.
So police were contacted by a member of the press
and they said they were aware of some photographs being
circulated which police had recovered.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
These photos showed the two.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Victims, Elizabeth and Bridge, are dead before they had been dismembered,
and they were posed with some artifacts and the devil's
mask and a baseball cap that he was.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Actually wearing when he was arrend.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
This cap actually linked him with the victims because and
the murder scene and evidence that they'd already gathered, like
when he was caught on CCTV putting the body parts
in the bin, he was wearing that cap as well then,
so the cap was obviously tested his DNA and the victims.
DNA was found on the cap, so other evidence at
his flat helped to build a very strong case against him.
(27:40):
His DNA was found on knives and the hat saw
that was found on top of Elizabeth.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Torso and the best. Basically, he's in big trouble now.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
And the police also reopened the case of Sally White,
the first body we found tony S flat and January
two thousand and two.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
As a result, the opinion of the pathologist.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Who revisited the post martem was that it was more
than likely that Tony murdered Sally as well. Yeah, so
forensic pathologist Freddy Freddy, sorry, forensic pathologist Freddie Petel, the
person who concluded that Sally had died of a heart attack,
came under scrutiny for this and other findings in his career,
(28:23):
and he was actually suspended from the government's Register of
Pathologists pending an inquiry, and in twenty twelve his name
was erased from the medical Register by the General Medical Council,
meaning that.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
He can no longer practice medicine in the UK.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
So clearly he was very job well obviously not because
he said the Straggi attack. So that the Tony got
a bit lucky with him then, haven't that Ben thought
that at the time he was lucky but always caught
up well, But yeah, I mean, and apparently there was
other findings and other findings in his career as.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Well as god knows what else is mucked up. Yeah,
other people got we were murdered because I am so Tony.
Hardy was charged with the three.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Murderers of Elizabeth Ballad, Bridget McLennan and Sally White, but
it was never mentioned what happened to them, because we
remember there was three victims.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
There was another unidentified female, but no, I don't know
what happened, like they.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Mustn't have identified or so he was charged with those
three murders. So originally Tony played not guilty, but on
the first day of the trial in November two thousand
and three, he changed his plate to Gilly for all
three murders. So he was sentenced to three life sentences
and it made twenty ten. A High Court judge decided
(29:41):
that Hardy should never be released from prison and he
was placed on the list of whole life Tariff Tara
Tariff's Tariff prisoners, which you know there's not that many
of them, but he deserves to be on there.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
So he said that this means no.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
The High Court judge said that this is one of them.
For God's sake. The High Court judge said that this
is one of those exceptionally rare cases in which life
should mean life.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
How was that so hard to get out?
Speaker 2 (30:17):
So it's been reported that police believe that Tony Hardy
is possibly connected to the unsolved cases of two sex
workers who were found dismembered and dumped in the River Thames,
and up to five or six other murders that bore
marked similarities to the ones for which he was convicted.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
But there wasn't there wasn't enough evidence, tim KM.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
So Tony Hardy died aged sixty nine, in prison on
the twenty sixth of November twenty twenty after contracting sexes.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
So indeed, well, I'm suppose he did spend his life.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Well yeah, yeah, he spent his life but died at
age six and nine, So he did. He did spend
the rest of his life in prison and he's dead,
died last year. So sympathy, but it's unfortunate that.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Because he's dead, I suppose well, I.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Don't know if they had any chance of convicting them
of anything else, but probably not.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Like, well, now he's dead and because he got me
in there, it's.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Like five or six other murders plus Tuesday, so that's
at least eight.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
That's eight other people that had been killed and.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
No justice, justice now asses for their families. So that
was the case of the Camden Ripper.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
So thanks for that, Neil. Yeah, so thanks.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
So he recommending that he actually got in contact and
said that he'd watched the documentary about what was He
said he'd watched the documentary and it was about police
finding body parts around about London. So that was like, oh,
that sounds quite interesting and it was interesting. Not a
(32:01):
nice person, not a nice case, but there you go.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
I hope that was okay for you. Well that's that's
that's that's the way it's told. So there you go.
Thanks for listener and well season. Thank you Byeye
Hi, I'm Laura and Angel and this it is Craig Divers. Hello,
(00:21):
every gony, Welcome to you today's episode.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
So we're in the world, are we job? We're in
London and UK. Okay, and we have a title. Yeah,
it's called the Candon Ripper Canden Ripper, Yeah, because I
was the Candon's in London. Well, I'm saying obviously, like
everybody knows that. Obviously it's a place in London. Yeah,
place in London. So one of our lovely listeners, Neil Yeah, has.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Got in contact and asked us to cover this case.
Han Neil, Hi, Yil. So yeah, obviously it's a Patreon.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
So yes, we thank you very much for asking us
to cover our case.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
We're always open to covering cases, so.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Especially because you know it's especially when it's on it
we haven't heard.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Of so exactly, so hopefully Jill has done some good
research and made it.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Well let's see, right, shall we dive in? I was
just going to say that you're ready to dive in.
I'm ready to dive in.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
So this this case takes place in Camden, which is
in London in the UK. So on the thirtieth of
December two thousand and two, in the North London headquarters
of the Metropolitan Police, a disturbing call came in. Someone
reported that they had found some human body parts outside
(01:32):
a pub. So a homeless man had been rubber gin
through the bins looking for food and he'd found a bag,
so he put, you know, pulled his bag out and
at first he actually thought it was like pilets or something.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
You'll like go like steak or okay, but you know,
obviously dry, it wasn't. He pulled them out and he
could clearly see that they were the calf muscles of
a lower leg. Oh god, yeah, yeah, well imagine finding that.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
So first responders rushed to the same corner of the area,
and the bins were at the back entrance to a
pub and as soon as the detectives got got there,
they could smell human decomposition.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
I couldn't say that there.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So I mean, like, you know, this, this part of
London's had its fair share of crime, but like finding
body parts, that was unusual. Yeah, So the police started
our investigation with the man who had found the body parts.
He was very cooperative and he waited for the police
to come after calling them and went in for question then,
you know, and the police were happy.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
That he had nothing to do with that. I just
found it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
So with no other witnesses, the team had to start
considering where the rest.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Of the body was. So obviously they had start to archer.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So they talked about the possibilities of like body snatchers, merchary.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Thieves, you know, all that case thing.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
But they came to the conclusion that these were freshly
cut legs, right, and the scene was just the just the.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Just the rubbish bin, you know what I mean, that's
not where it happened. And yeah, you know, that's just
what it was. I don't know what else to say there.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
So the police started doing house house in quiries and
they were they were searching more bins in the Amediate.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Area, but they didn't find anything. So the following day
they extended their search of bins.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
And it must be like quite a horrible choke to bins, well, yeah, because.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I mean there's there's watson people's bins.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well yeah, I mean, well I was just thinking, you know,
like people who have dogs, like they're just you know,
they're picking up the ship from the garden putting it
in their bins, aren't they so that I'm like nappies
and stuff. O.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
God, mean, it can't be a pleasant smell. It's funny
say that about bins.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Is that I was taking my daughter to school this
morning and the bins were getting emptied. So the men
were actually there, but they weren't even like and ma
bit and my street. They were like quite a bit
down and I could just smell the smell, like, and
I was like, oh, their truck must actually smell disgusting
because it was just in the air.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah. So you imagine like having to search bins then
that must have.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Been a horrible thing to do, but it had to
be done. It had to be done there. Yeah, So
they extend extended the shreds to the bins, and they
extended the house to house inquiries as well. So that
day another bag was found in a bin and it
contained a small torso two parts of a leg upper
and lower.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
So now but now they had three legs. Oh, so
there was obviously more than one person.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, so they had three legs and some long, dark
almost black hair.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
So now they knew that they had two.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Victims, but not even one complete body, and both both
the victims were female.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
So there were place police teams everywhere like search small.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
The bins, and there were you know what the what
do you call it the landfill sight and Abraham yeah, seption,
can you imagine. So, yes, there was sexual the bins
in the area. And in one of these bins police
found a blood stained brat. So the bin belonged to
a resident, to the resident of a flat, and that
(05:19):
person was Anthony Hardy or Tony to.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
So Tony was already well known to the place.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
He had been arrested at the start of that year
for criminal damage to a neighbor's front door.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
It was January of that year and the neighbors they
turned a dispute over a leak or something.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
You know, I don't think it was anything to me,
that had a bit of a dispute and he had
gotten he'd got aggressive and he wrote on her front
door the neighbor front doors.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Like befeted on it. And I was like saying, she's
a slating not very nice words on the front door.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
So obviously she reported of in the place, and like
they turned up and like he said, it was a
big gat.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
He was like really quite aggressive. So obviously to a woman,
but you know, she was pretty scared of thee and
like it was like especially when he was like, as
I said, he was aggressive, but he was like in
her face and came outine a big guy. Yeah, that's
quite scary. That's quite scary.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
So police had gone to Tony's flat obviously when she
had reported them, and they let them in and they
noted straight away that one of the doors.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Inside was locked.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Remember this is at the start of the year, this
is in the current time, and they noticed that one
of the doors was inside was locked. So they asked
him he had a key for the door, and they said, no,
you couldn't find it. But the officers thought he was
adding suspiciously, so they searched him and.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
They had the key's pocket.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, so they obviously unlocked the door and it was
a bedroom. So they went into the room and there
was a woman's naked dead body on the bed and
she had cut some bruises on her head, was just
rind So of course, of course, the room was sailed
off straight away and Tony was arrested on suspicion of
(07:10):
murder as well as the criminal damage. So the woman
that was found on the bed, you know, the dead
body that was Sally White, and she was a local
sex worker. So although her body was found in suspicious circumstances,
the police couldn't arrest Tony until they found the cause
of death.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
So when interviewed, Tony told.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Officers that he had an alcohol problem and that he
had been drunk when he woke up, and when he
woke up, Sally was dead and he was but he
had no idea why she was even in his flat.
And it was funny because I read a couple of
different reports and there was one that said she actually
lived with them, but then there was another one that
said that he.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Lived locally and he did use sex workers.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
So I'm just thinking they probably just maybe used their
services and that's why.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
She was there. Yeah, that's what it seems the most. Yeah,
So I don't think they live.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I don't think she lived there, as I said there was.
I did see a report where she did, but I
don't think. I don't think no flatmates, right, Okay, So
a post postpartum was done in her on Sally, but
the conclusion was that she died from natural causes from
a heart attack, okay, And it was discovered that she
she did have a I don't know if I can
say this word. Probably a congenital is the right word.
(08:23):
Genital problem, you know her like the blood conduce.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I don't know if that's what that means. But a
heart problem, I don't know either.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
It's a congenital heart problem. Okay, So I don't think
that's what I don't.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I think yours? Yeah, I think so. But anyway, and
that's what she died from.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
So no charges related to her death could be brought
against Tony because it was actually.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Just like locked well and he didn't. They tried to
spend that he didn't know where the key was. Yeah,
I didn't get that.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I thought she had at least have been charged for
obstructing something like because.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I mean, why would you why would you have the
door locked, and why would you try to pretend like
you didn't know where he was if you didn't have
something to hide?
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah, exactly. That to me, it's like he's had that.
He's obviously hid the body in there. That's what's been happening. Yeah,
but there was no and if she.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Died from natural causes, they couldn't remember like phone an ambulance.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
I didn't want an ambulance.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
But I'm saying that he could have right, Okay, Yeah,
I thought you said that you couldn't remember.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I thought you just said they couldn't remember phoning an ambulance. No,
that's not I don't think that's what I said. What
did you say.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I don't actually don't know. I've forgotten anyway, Yeah, you
would they would be seems a.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Bit suspicious, Like I just yes, if they're saying she's
died from national causes, that's one thing, but yeah, there's
other circumstances there. Why that would make me suspicious?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Like sure the police must be a big question, and why.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
I mean, or if they don't have an evidence, but
they can't charge them with anything.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
No, but they can't charge them with her death, but
surely they can say, like they can charge.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Them with not a report and a.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Death instructing her getting like medical health be could have
saved her life for I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
But then again, he could just say like he didn't
know that she was dead because she was in the room,
and if it was a key that was locked, maybe
she could a lot to put the inside. But then
really they would say to see if there was a
key from the inside.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
But rang it's got keen of pocket. Kane of pocket
though well not really because it's his house. Well no,
but not.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
But what I'm saying is, like it is, it is possible,
very unlikely, but she could have had a key and
locked it from the inside.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
You know, well it's possible.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
It's possible, but you would think that they if if
they police thought that, then they would have looked for
a key.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
This is true. So so it was two sided to
have the story what there is. But his deaf was suspicious,
Oh of course that is totally agree to be there
just saying like, you know, maybe that's why there Maybe
they couldn't bring the.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Charges against them because they didn't have concrete evidence for
in the charges.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Against them other stuff. So so he was.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Charged with the criminal damage on his neighbor's door and
he had to go to court and he was actually
sent to psychiatic hospital for treatment and he was.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
There until November two thousand and two. So I happened in.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
January, so he was in the psychiatic hospital until November,
and that was seven weeks before the dismember bodies were found.
So that's how Tony Hardy was known to the place
because obviously what's happened in January, and he became a
personal interest obviously after finding the bloody brat and he's
been so they got setche Warring for Tony's flat and
(11:38):
when he got there, the door was open, but Tony
wasn't there, soviously we're back to the president then. Yeah,
So they went in and they noticed how dark like
the color of it was. Like I staw put police
footage of the flat, and there were like pictures painted
on the walls.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Were like crosses and there's like.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Pictures and people, but they kind of looked like but
not maybe a kid had drawn them, but you know,
it wasn't like professional paying inter like somebody's just been.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
On the walls.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Basically, there were no carpets on the floor, and the
floors had painting something like painting on the floor as well.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Doesn't sound very homely, No, it doesn't look very nice
at all. And there was also a buffetti on the
doors and the walls.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
And I read another report that there were the walls
were covered in Celtic crosses and cruciforms.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Now I didn't know what a cruciform was.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
I had a vague idea was something to do with crosses.
Oh yeah, so I looked up. So a crucif arm
is just a term for physical manifestations resembling a common
cross or a Christian cross.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Basically, that's what it is. It just cross, like somebody's
own design or something. I don't know. Well, just physical.
I don't know what that means.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Physical manifestations resemble on a common cross or a Christian cross.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Basically just drawing some across, that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
So there were slumbers of dried skin and flesh stuck
and smeared to the wallpaper.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
So there must be a wallpaper in.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Some bits, because as I just said, like the paint
that there was drawn to the wall, unless there was
maybe plain yeah, like line of.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Paper or something maybe I don't know about. Yeah, So
that's horrible.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
So there was a devil's mask on it on his bed,
which I'll come back to later because that does actually
play a part.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
And there was lots of pornography. There was like a
really grubby bathroom which looked like had never been cleaned,
and the other bedroom door was closed. There was a
towel or something along the bottom of the door. Because
I was looking at the the.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Police, and so the back of the bedroom door looks closed.
There was like a towel of something along the bottom
of the door, you know. I was kind of covered
the gap to.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Keep the heating. And there was like there was scribbles
like got on the door, like s at paint on
the door, and there weird.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
So the officers went in and they saw something wrapped
in bin liners on the floor. And I just have
to say, while I was watching this video, the house
was dead quiet, and I was just watching the video
camera go in and I saw this.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
You actually see the.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
The bin liners, and my phone rang literally and it
was nighttime as it was, and I was just like
totally staring at this screen.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
You know, it was like twelve o'clock at night and
my phone rang. I nearly shipped myself.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
So anyway, so on top of the bin liners was
a hack saw and see knives and what looks and
there's like what looks.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Like blood like it wasn't press wasn't pleasant. So they
opened the bin liners and inside was the torso of
a woman's body. He didn't see that, they do, No,
I didn't see that.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
So the Tarsi was sent to the marchary for a
post mortem, and they secured the scene.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
So one officer said that on the hat, so I
could actually see like a little bits of skin. It's
just terrrendously.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
So when they the rest of the flat, they found
camera equipment and along with the devil's mask that I
mentioned earlier.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
So it looked like Tony had been making.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Some sort of like sadistic pornography with his victims.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
So the living room.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Had three TV's in it, and they were all hooked
up to like video recorders, and they were like pornographic
video cassettes on the coffee.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Table, like three tvas in your lover room.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Something there, right, Absolutely so, doctor David Holmes, who is
a criminal profiler, said, quote, the perpetrators here clearly has
the perpetrator sorry here clearly has some form of sexual problem,
very driven to sex, but not very good at delivering it.
This would be a recipe for someone who becomes obsessed
with pornography, where the fantasy world.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Can take over a great deal from the real world.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
This possibility would indicate that his actual killings were for
the purpose of producing pornography.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Imagine not just killing him for a pornography.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
By posing his victims and masks that makes them anonymous,
but makes and make them so that they could be
anyone when he views them again later, and so it'll
fit into his fantasy.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Because I can't sy their way pretty sure. Yeah this
is a very dangerous man. Sounds like that.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
So the place you used chemicals and you relights to
look for evidence, they decided to use illuminol.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I don't know. I mean, I don't know if people
know what luminol is. Like I only knew it when
I watched another documentary a couple of years ago. I
didn't know where it was until.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Then, so I thought, I'll let you know just in
case anybody don't know. So illuminol is. It's used to
locate blood at a crime scene. So how it works
is that the iron and the hemoglobin in the blood,
even if it's been superficially cleared away, it will react
so see like blue, Yeah, it will be the UV
like yeah, like it kind of glows.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, it will react with the illuminol to create See
you spoiled. I was coming. I was gonna come out
with a big word there. I'm still gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Even if it's been superficially cleared away, will react with
the illuminol to create a chemic luminescence, which basically means
a glowing right.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Okay, you could have said that without a big word
why because.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
I was it was a science person who was saying it,
So I was just basically saying.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
What she said, and she said it was a kind
of chema luminescence. So yeah, So basically the blood of
glow you can see it, So then that can be
photographed to detect areas where blood may be present or
have been present in the past. So even if you
cleaned up and it's not visible all the name die,
you can still see with alumino. So there was blood spatter.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
In and around the bath, so that would definitely be
there definitely been a body dismembered in the bath.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
When tested, the blood in the bathroom matched two females
whose body parts had been found in a further unidentified female.
On the third day of the investigation, police identified one
of the victims as twenty nine year old Elizabeth Valid.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
With only a torsio on a leg.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
The pathologists had uced some unusual techniques to identify the body.
Elizabeth had actually had breast unbumming plants, so she was
actually identified.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
By the serial number one air bum.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
You know, sometimes getting implants can be useful, definitely, although
you don't really.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Well no, you don't want to be identified by them, No,
not really, but yeah. So the met Police considered Tony
Hardy a.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Danger to the others and at least these details in
the press in it, you know, and to attempt to
track them down.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Because they're like, right, we need to get hold of
this guy.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
So his face was all over the news, on the
TV and every newspaper, try and find him as soon
as possible. So once the place that identified that Tony
was most likely the killer, they looked.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
In his background. So he was fifty one.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
He was born in winds Hill, near Burton on Trent
and Stafordshire, England. He was the youngest child of four
and had a normal, uneventful childhood, nothing to report. So
he met his wife, Judith when he was studying engineering
in London and they married in nineteen seventy two and
they moved to Burris and Edmonds. He worked as a
senior manager in an engineering company and they emigrated to
(19:39):
Australia and they had four children together, but the marriage
eventually fell apart. Tony returned to London because he got
deported from Australia. He had been arrested for domestic abuse
as he had hit his wife over the head while
she was in the bath, and his weapon was a
solid lump of ice in a plastic bottle. So he
(20:00):
had obviously planned that because he obviously had to. He's
obviously feels up a bottle the water and froze it.
Oh yeah, so but thos a heart renduously.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
That's awful. That was like to get hit with a
lump of guys out you know, it's like with somebody
truck snowball itt. Yeah, it's and it nice, I know,
because but you can feel that I somethings when your
look sice. It was heavy, yeah, hard and sharp in
places as well. Yeah, that was his weapon of choice.
So lovely man. So obviously she got deported, so he
(20:31):
was back in London.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
So he was traded in psychiatric hospitals across London where depression,
drug induced psychosis, and alcohol abuse and he was diagnosed
with bipolar disorder. He began a life on the streets
in London, moving between hostels and drinking heavily, and at
some point he ended up moving.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Into into his flat.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
He was arrested in nineteen ninety six when a sex
worker accused him of raping her, but the charges were
dropped due to lack of evidence. So that was just
just a little bit about him, because he started off well,
he had like a normal childhood.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
He was an he was senior manager.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
And an engineering company, married kids, moved to Australia exactly,
they have They actually sounded.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Like had a good life. Yeah that point, so I'm like,
what went wrong?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
What?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
What? What changed? What?
Speaker 3 (21:16):
What made them into potential this psycho that has killed people?
It's I don't know. Yeah, it just goes to show
that you could have what was like a perfect life
and still end up being a you know, like.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Because a lot of people do, a lot of criminals
blame their actions on their pastor their childhood, all that
kind of suing. You do find a lot of people
who you know, who do go into crime and they
have had bad childhoods. But this guy was just like anybody,
any other person. And yeah, so anyway, so as the
investigation went on the police believed that Tony had been
(21:55):
targeting sex workers.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
So Camden is very.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Close to King's Cross and at that time, King's Cross
was an epy center for prostitution, so there was a
lot of crying there.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Like you know, like drug squabberies. It just didn't feel
like it wasn't really a very.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Safe place to be, you know, when people were traveling
through that area, and apparently back then it just.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Wasn't wasn't nice.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
So if anyone, but if anyone wanted to go and
look for a sex worker, then the sex was readily enough.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, I mean obviously if you wanted like.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Sex, drugs, all that kind of stuff, but if not,
not really a safe place to be.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
So it looked like Tony hard irregular.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
And came to this area looking for women, you know,
to satisfy his needs. So police were checking the CCTV
footage and on footage day, the nineteenth of December two two,
Tony was caught on camera putting body parts in a bin,
which was only about one hundred yards from his flat,
(22:54):
so it didn't even bother.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Go very far. I mean, come on, but I think.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
It's because he thought that the rubbish would get picked
up quickly.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Because because obviously you know when your n's going. So
but because it was the Christmas period, the.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Schedule was different to normal, so it didn't the bins
didn't get picked up when they were supposed to get
picked up, and he didn't know that hour, so obviously,
if they'd been emptied when.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
They were supposed to be, the probably got away with it.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
So really, Christmas time, you should really checks when your
winds are going to Wow.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yeah, exactly, because you know the change.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
So the rations aret to found Tony because they needed insulin,
and officers were afraid that if he didn't have his
medication and he was drinking, then.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
He could be even more dangerous than ever.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
But they thought that because he has medical problems, they
probably wouldn't straight too far away from home. So it
was called a CCTV going into the University of College
then coming back out on the first January two venty three,
which I kind of thought was strange because I thought,
why is it open on the first January? Like I
thought everyone was shutting the first of January.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Yeah, that's weird.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah, he was actually, so the footage on I don't
know what he was doing. He was in and then
you seen him come back out, so it shaved his
beard off so they had a better description of him
now and they started watching hospitals because surely would need
to get more insulin at some point.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
So also on New.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Year's Day two thousand and three, he went This is
the same day he went to the Great Army Street
Hospital to try and get his medicine.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Great Armistry is another kid's hospital. Yeah, but you'd still
be so must have been close. Or maybe he went
there because they thought, well, it's the kid's hospital. People
won't expect me to go there. Who knows so, but
an off JD.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Police officer recognized him, so he called nine nine nine
straight away, So the police arrived.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Tony realized that.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
He'd been spotted and he ran into the garden area
around the back.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
So two officers ran after him and caught up with them.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
He put up a good fight, and he had like
a little knife, so he actually stabbed one officer in
the hand, and he also managed to dislocate the officer's
eye from its soccer o and he knocked other officer out.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Remember he was a big bog, so the one that
he had injured, he did a good job. Like he
managed to keep.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Hold of him until other officers arrived, so the Candon
Ripper would be caught and arrested, so he was taking
a Colindale police station. But once in Cussiday, it was.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Realized that Tony wasn't in the best of health.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Had to laugh at this, but a doctor saw him
and sent him to hospital because he thought he had
gangrene on one of his legs, and naturally the hospital
washed his leg and so it was just dirt.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
So that's yeah, that was.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
But it was like, but why didn't if a doctor
saw him, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
He would think that he would have done well. He
obviously just kind.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Of remember, just gave a quick once over, not very active.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
That was quite funny that it's just dirt.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
So he was interviewed and a psychologist, Jillian Boone, it
was brought in. His involvement in the investigation was because
of his background as a specialist and massive massages. I
can't say that word necrophilia and then cannib paribalism.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
So I saw some.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Police footage of an interview and Tony was asked if
he knew that bin at all? Have you ever used
that bin, have you ever gone to that bin? Have
you ever put any rubbish on that bin? Have you
ever taken any rubbish out of it? And he just
basically answered no comment. All those questions.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Luke is going to say, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Know why the points boller asking a questions sometimes because
they're just gonna say no comment. So the investigation continued
and they were still trying to identify the second victim,
and by the third January they identified her as Bridget McLaren,
who was thirty four.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
The other victim, Elizabeth.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Valid Vallad and Bridget were both sex workers, and what's
the word named more links to Tony came to light.
So police were contacted by a member of the press
and they said they were aware of some photographs being
circulated which police had recovered.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
These photos showed the two.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Victims, Elizabeth and Bridge, are dead before they had been dismembered,
and they were posed with some artifacts and the devil's
mask and a baseball cap that he was.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Actually wearing when he was arrend.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
This cap actually linked him with the victims because and
the murder scene and evidence that they'd already gathered, like
when he was caught on CCTV putting the body parts
in the bin, he was wearing that cap as well then,
so the cap was obviously tested his DNA and the victims.
DNA was found on the cap, so other evidence at
his flat helped to build a very strong case against him.
(27:40):
His DNA was found on knives and the hat saw
that was found on top of Elizabeth.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Torso and the best. Basically, he's in big trouble now.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
And the police also reopened the case of Sally White,
the first body we found tony S flat and January
two thousand and two.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
As a result, the opinion of the pathologist.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Who revisited the post martem was that it was more
than likely that Tony murdered Sally as well. Yeah, so
forensic pathologist Freddy Freddy, sorry, forensic pathologist Freddie Petel, the
person who concluded that Sally had died of a heart attack,
came under scrutiny for this and other findings in his career,
(28:23):
and he was actually suspended from the government's Register of
Pathologists pending an inquiry, and in twenty twelve his name
was erased from the medical Register by the General Medical Council,
meaning that.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
He can no longer practice medicine in the UK.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
So clearly he was very job well obviously not because
he said the Straggi attack. So that the Tony got
a bit lucky with him then, haven't that Ben thought
that at the time he was lucky but always caught
up well, But yeah, I mean, and apparently there was
other findings and other findings in his career as.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Well as god knows what else is mucked up. Yeah,
other people got we were murdered because I am so Tony.
Hardy was charged with the three.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Murderers of Elizabeth Ballad, Bridget McLennan and Sally White, but
it was never mentioned what happened to them, because we
remember there was three victims.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
There was another unidentified female, but no, I don't know
what happened, like they.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Mustn't have identified or so he was charged with those
three murders. So originally Tony played not guilty, but on
the first day of the trial in November two thousand
and three, he changed his plate to Gilly for all
three murders. So he was sentenced to three life sentences
and it made twenty ten. A High Court judge decided
(29:41):
that Hardy should never be released from prison and he
was placed on the list of whole life Tariff Tara
Tariff's Tariff prisoners, which you know there's not that many
of them, but he deserves to be on there.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
So he said that this means no.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
The High Court judge said that this is one of them.
For God's sake. The High Court judge said that this
is one of those exceptionally rare cases in which life
should mean life.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
How was that so hard to get out?
Speaker 2 (30:17):
So it's been reported that police believe that Tony Hardy
is possibly connected to the unsolved cases of two sex
workers who were found dismembered and dumped in the River Thames,
and up to five or six other murders that bore
marked similarities to the ones for which he was convicted.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
But there wasn't there wasn't enough evidence, tim KM.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
So Tony Hardy died aged sixty nine, in prison on
the twenty sixth of November twenty twenty after contracting sexes.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
So indeed, well, I'm suppose he did spend his life.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Well yeah, yeah, he spent his life but died at
age six and nine, So he did. He did spend
the rest of his life in prison and he's dead,
died last year. So sympathy, but it's unfortunate that.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Because he's dead, I suppose well, I.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Don't know if they had any chance of convicting them
of anything else, but probably not.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Like, well, now he's dead and because he got me
in there, it's.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Like five or six other murders plus Tuesday, so that's
at least eight.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
That's eight other people that had been killed and.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
No justice, justice now asses for their families. So that
was the case of the Camden Ripper.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
So thanks for that, Neil. Yeah, so thanks.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
So he recommending that he actually got in contact and
said that he'd watched the documentary about what was He
said he'd watched the documentary and it was about police
finding body parts around about London. So that was like, oh,
that sounds quite interesting and it was interesting. Not a
(32:01):
nice person, not a nice case, but there you go.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
I hope that was okay for you. Well that's that's
that's that's the way it's told. So there you go.
Thanks for listener and well season. Thank you Byeye
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