September 30, 2025 • 28 mins
This episode covers the disappearance of Maura Murray.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hi, I'm Laura and Angel and this is crick Divers.
Hello everybody, welcome to today's Patreon episode.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, So today it is a lot of old, it
is a lot of sold You're in for a treat.
So where in the world are we? We are in America.
And what's the name of your episode? It's called The
Disappearance of Maura Murray. Okay, shall we dive in. Let's
dive in.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Maura Murray was born on the fourth of May nineteen
eighty two in Hanson, Massachusetts. She was the fourth child
of Fred and Laura Laurie Murray. She had an older
brother called Fred, and two older sisters, Kathleen and Julie,
and also a younger brother called Kirt. Maura was raised
in an Irish Catholic household, but sadly, when she was six.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Her parents divorced, so Maura lived with her mother.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Maura graduated from Whitman Hanson Regional High School, where she
was a start athlete on the.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
School's track team.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
She was accepted into the United States Military Academy in
West Point, New York, where she studied chemical engineering for
three semesters, and after her freshman year, she transferred to
the University of Massachusetts and Hirst to study nursing.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
So in November two thousand and three, Maura admitted.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
To using a stolen credit card to order food from
several restaurants.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Be hungry well second that he must have just been
I can think of better things spent on book exactly.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
The charter was postponed until December, but was dismissed after
three months for good behavior. So on the evening of
the fifth of February two thousand and four, Maura spoke
to her older sister Kathleen on the phone while she
was on duty at her campus security job, so obviously
she lived on campus at.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
The university and she had a security job there.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
They discussed Kathleen's relationship problems with her fiance. So around
ten thirty that night, Maura, who was still on her shift,
reportedly broke down in tears. So when our supervisor arrived
at her desk, she said Maura was just.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Totally zoned out, like just totally not with it.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
So the supervisor took Maura back to her dorm room
around one twenty in the morning. She of course asked
Mara what was wrong, and Morris said only.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Two words, my sister.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Oh so obviously whatever had been in that phone call
had upset her. But we do find out what happened
in that Oh yeah, I'll tell you at this point.
At this point, that's all because what I'm thinking of
at the moment.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Is why she'll upset set about her sister having problems
were fiancee?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
But right, Okay, at this point, I was like, oh, why,
we don't know. But then as a research later on,
we actually an answer.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
To what the phone call was about. But at that point,
all we know is that she was upset over her sister.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Right, So let's say it's obviously at the type of
I just good time. Now. So at the time, you know,
no one knew the contents of the call.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
But thirteen years later, in October twenty seventeen, Kathleen.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Publicly explained the conversation.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Kathleen was a recovering alcoholic, so that evening she had
been discharged from a rehab clinic and on the way home,
her fiance had taken her to a liquor store, which
had caused an emotional breakdown.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
So I'm not.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Sure why would her fiance take her to a liquor
store when she just got out.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Of rehab for being an alcoholic.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yeah, I don't get that where I mean, obviously there's
no more elaborate elaboration on that stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
No, But I mean I.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Suppose I can understand maybe why Mona was upset because
you know, her sister's obviously just rehab and the first
thing her fiancee does is take her to a liquor store.
That's so I don't know. I don't know what his intention.
I don't know why she was taken there. I don't
know what happened, but clearly it was enough.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
To make little upset. Okay, I get that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
So on Saturday, the seventh of February, Morris's father, Fred
He arrived in Amhurst.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Maura and her dad.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
They went car shopping and later they went for dinner
with one.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Of Morris's friends. So this is I was a bit
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Really get this part, which you'll understand as to explain it.
But so after dinner, Maura dropped her dad off at
his hotel room, and then she borrowed his car and
went back to the campus to.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Attend a dorm party.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
She left the party at two thirty in the morning
and was driving back to her dad's hotel when she
struck a guardrail on Route nine and Hadley. She cost
nearly ten thousand dollars worth of damage to her dad's car,
and the officer who attended wrote an accident report, but
there's no actual documentation of any tests being conducted.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
So then more I was driven to her dad's hotel.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
The reason I don't understand it is that I couldn't
understand why she borrowed her dad's car to drive back
to where she stays on campus and then was going
to take the car.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Back to car.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Why didn't her dad just drop her off back home
at the campus. So the drinking, well, to be fair
supposed is that, I mean, it doesn't state whether there
was drinking.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, I mean you're right, but then maybe that could
have been the case for that. But I just I
was a bit confused.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Of why she dropped him off to go back to
where she stayed to then have to drop the car.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Back off, and then maybe she was going to drop
the car back off and stay there with him and then.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
He would drop her back in the morning. But I'm
sure there must have been on the campus. She wouldn't
think she would, Yeah, but maybe he had been drinking.
I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I'm sure there was some exploration for it, but so
say say. Mona was driven to her dad's hotel.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
So later on the Sunday morning, Fred readied a car
and he dropped Moa off at the campus. So she
went back to the campus and then he headed back home.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
So eleven thirty that.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Night, he called Maura to remind her to go and
get an accident form from the Registry.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Of Motor Vehicles, which I think is probably our equivalent
to be like the TB.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Yeah, they agreed to talk again on Monday night to
discuss the forms and fill like the insurance claim because
obviously she'd have to claim for.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
The fact that she crashed her dad's car. Yeah. So
after midnight on the ninth of February, Mara used.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Her personal computer to search map quest for directions to
the Berkshires and Burlington in Vermont. That was laughing because
Vermont always making thick of friends. Do you remember Rachel
went to Vermont. She's not a skier in Vermont.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Oh, I thought that was where Russ and Emily.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Where Emily went, Yeah, No, it was Neil then, But
I just had stop for something in the name Vermont
always remains their.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Friends because because the slader and.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
That's true in an apple in the de what you
call it in the archard or something.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, that's it. Yeah, So maybe she wasn't going to
be is it really? I mean, if it just makes
you think of it, I just like to get that in.
So yeah. So map quest is a.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Missuming, you know, just like Google.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
So around one pm, Mora emailed her boyfriend saying I
love you more stud I got your messages, but honestly
I didn't feel like talking too too much of anyone.
I promised to call today. They'll love you, Mara. And
she also made a phone call inquiring about renting a
(07:51):
con condeminum, which is condominium which is basically like a
flat but yeah, but basically a flat.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
The shared comment area is like a garden pool pool etcter.
You can just say cont getting the right name there
and work set.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
The owner, however, later confirmed that she did not rent
the condo tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I did actually write window. She didn't rent the condo tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
So one twenty four pm, Maura emailed a work supervisor
of the nursing's school faculty that she would be out
of town for a week due to a death in
her family, but her family actually later stated that.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
There had been no death in her family. That was
an excuse, an.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Excuse to get it out of of the nurses school
that she was attending.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
So to five past two in.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
The afternoon, Mara called a number which provides recorded information
about booking hotels.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
And in stores down in Vermont.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
The call lasted around five minutes, and at two eighteen
she called her boyfriend. He must have been busy, though,
as she left a voicemail promising that they would talk
later sot Around three thirty, she drove off the campus
in her black nineteen ninety six Saturn Sedan. So so she
even had her own car, so going back to the
whole car thing with her dad, she even buy it
(09:18):
though when they went cash oopping, well I.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Didn't say, just say they went car shopping, so I
don't actually know if she might have bought it then
but Andy picked it up until.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Later, or maybe she was getting a new car. This
was her row car anyway. Anyway, So she drove off
the campus in her car.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
So classes actually the university had been canceled that day
due to a snowstorm, so she wasn't doing any classes.
So at three forty Mora withdrew two hundred and eighty
dollars from a cash machine, and the foods.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Showed that she was alone.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
She then went to a nearby liquor store and she
bought about forty dollars worth of alcohol, and security cameras
again showed that she was alone, and at some point
in the day she did actually pick up the accident
report form from the Massachusetts Registery of Motiv so she
did glare.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
So Morea then left Amhurst between four and five pm.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
She called to check her voicemail at four thirty seven
and that was the last recorded use of her mobile.
So sometime after seven pm, a resident in Woodsville, New
Hampshire heard a loud thump outside her house, so through
her window she could see a car up against the embankment.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Along Route one one two.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
She phoned the Sheriff's department at seven twenty seven to
report the incident, and according to the nine one one
call log, the woman claimed to have seen a man
smoking a cigarette inside the car.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
However, she later.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Stayed she had actually seen what appeared to be a
red glow potentially from a mobile.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
So another neighbor, who was a bus driver, was coming.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Home and he pulled up alongside the car, is said
as he was returning from work.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
He said there was a young woman in the car.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
She was not bleeding and didn't look injured, but she
was cold and shivering. He offered to phone for help,
but she asked him not to call the police and assured.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Him she had called AAA, which is.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yes, sorry, but they have no record of a call,
so so she clearly didn't phone him, but she was
just telling this guy that she did.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
So, knowing that there was no phone reception in the area.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
The man actually went home and he did actually call
the police, so his call was received at seven forty three,
and another resident passed the scene around seven thirty seven,
and they claimed to have seen a place SUV, but
that statement contradicted the official police log, which was Hayer
Hill Place arriving nine minutes later, so a bit of
(11:46):
this obviously, the man phoned at seven thirty seven, not
only seven forty three, but then somebody else passed at
seven thirty seventeen they seen.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
The plaice there, but the police long only states that
there was nine minutes later. So, I don't know, it's
about confusion around there. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
So, according to the official police log, at seven forty six,
a Haverhill police officer arrived at the scene. The car
had hit a tree on the driver's side, severely damaging
the left head light and pushing the car's radiator into
the fan. The car's windscreen was cracked on the driver's
side and both air bags had deployed and the car
was locked. So inside and outside the car he discovered
(12:26):
red stains that looked like red wine, and inside the car,
the officer found an empty beer bottle and a damaged
box of wine on the rear seat. Other items were
found in the car, such as the accident report form,
make up, jewelry, driving instructions to Burlington Vermont, Morris's favorite Teddy, and.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
A book about mounting Clemming.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
So at this point, now you know it is Mona's car.
You know, I don't know whether they knew this exactly
at this point, but we know.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
This is Morris. Well, sounded like she wouldn't drink driver.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Well, it does sound like it, yeah, because I'd say
she did, you know, stopped off at the liquor store
to buy some alcohol and the fact, I mean the
obviously said there was an empty beer bottle. I suppose
the red wine could have been from the impact of
the crash. Maybit had Yeah, I thought that, but I
thought there's an empty beer bottle.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Then it sunds like she's been drinking. That sound like it.
But then I don't know where their back in America
with a lot.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Of different where you can have a couple of drinks
install drive, So I don't know how to be.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
It could be as much luck crashing cars. That's two
cars in two days'ft.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
So between eight and eight thirty, a contractor returning home
saw a young person moving quickly on foot eastbound on
Route one one two, and that was about forty five
miles east of where Mara's vehicle was discovered. He said
the person was wearing jeans, a dark coat, and a
light colored hood. He did not report it to this
place immediately due to his own confusion of dates, because
(13:52):
he only realized three months later when reviewing his work
records that he had spotted the young person the same
night that more had disappeared, so he hadn't actually remembered
that night. It was three months after she was last
seen that he realized. He didn't realize, So the responding
officer and the bus driver they actually drove around the
area searching for Maura.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
But they hadn't you know, They had no luck, and a.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Rag from Maura's emergency roadside kit was discovered stuffed into
the car's muffled muffler pipe. So I don't know whether
that was a bit because why would if that's the
exhaust pipe.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah, So the only reason.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
That I would know that you would ever like do
that is if you were trying to suffocate yourself in
your car, because you wouldbviously stop the fumes from coming
out the back end of the car and.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
They would streight the cars. So yeah, that was a
bit weird.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
So police referred to Maura as simply missing at twelve
the next day, twenty four hours after the last confirmed
site number.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
And on the February the tenth beyond the lookout report.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Was issued, so you know, in America they issued things,
so that was that was issued tenth.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
So on the eleventh of Febue, Morris's father arrived at Haver.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Hill and teamed up with the New Hampshire Fish and
Game Department to start a search for Maura, a police
dog track descent from one of MOA's gloves one hundred
yards east from where her car had been discovered, but
lost the scent, so this suggested that maybe she had
left the area in another car. MOA's boyfriend and his
parents arrived in hay Hill around five pm and he
(15:27):
was interrogated in private by the place because I guess they.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Must have hurt him with a be suspective.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
First and then he was joined by his parents for
questioning and at seven pm that the police said that
they believe Maura came to the area to run away
or attempt suicide, but her family they didn't believe either
to be the case. So that's that was their assumptions
of why she had decided to jump in her car and.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Been the attempt suicide. But with the wagon the pipe
could have been as well.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
But yeah, she could have been running away. So when
significantly this is quasic. When Mara's boyfriend had been flying
to Habr Hill, obviously you know on a plane you
have your mobile phone off, so at some point on
that flight he had received a voicemail.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Which obviously he would have got when he had.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Learned, and he believed that it was a sound of
more a sobbin. The call was traced to a coling
card issued to the American Red Cross, So somebody had
tried to call him using a calling card, and and
did she have one, Not that we know of, But
(16:37):
I guess if she had got somewhere, maybe she had
been I don't know how you get one of those.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I mean maybe.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
That's Red Cross is like a charity that helps people
that are in need. I guess so should have been
issued that she also ran away found something.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
It sho had been issued that, then surely somebody would
have said, oh.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yeah, this is true.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Actually, unless you already had it, I don't know. I mean,
there's no there was nothing to say she had it already.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I don't know that.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
So her boyfriend and dad, they held a press conference
and were also interviewed by CNN's American Morning. And obviously, normally,
like in these cases, it's like the local police.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
And the state place the deal with it.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
But the FBI actually joined in the search because it
got like nation wide coverage at this point, it was
it became quite big. So ten days after her disappearance,
there was a second ground and air search using a
helicopter with a thermal image and camera, tracking dogs and
cadavar dogs. Maura's older sister discovered a ripped white pair
(17:42):
of women's underwear lying in the snow on a seclud
trail in the twenty sixth of February, but DNA tests found.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
It it wasn't Morris.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
And back at the campus, Morra's room had been searched
by the campus police and they discovered most of our
belongings were actually packed in the boxes and the art
had been room off the wall, so it kind of
looked like she was going somewhere, which she shouldn't have
been because she was also in the middle of a
you know, semester.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
She was living there shows you didn't she wouldn't be
You didn't think she would be going anywhere. Maybe she
was running away and she would just make packing our
stuff to make it easier for well maybe well.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
And there was also a printed email to More's boyfriend
indicating trouble in the relationships relationship as well, so no
know what it says, No there was that it didn't
tell us what there was in an indication of trouble, right,
So sadly the trail went cold for the rest of
two thousand and four, with only a.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Couple of leads that you know, they didn't really anywhere.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
The police were interested in locating a black backpack, which
more I had, and there was like a that was
like a website set up where people could sort of,
you know, go on there and saved seeing any sightings
and stuff. And I think somebody there had been a
sighting of her a backpack left beside public toilets.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
You're like a sort of measuring that. And the police
said that they.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Were aware of it, but have no idea whether they
actually went and picked it up or not, so I
don't know. And in November two thousand and four, More's
dad appeared on the Montel Williams Show as well to
publicize the case.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Have you ever watched Montel Williams. Yeah, he appeared on
her to publicize that as well.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
But to be honest, apart from that, there's there's been
no further searches. So between two thousand and six four
in twenty ten, there was no nothing of significance.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Found at all.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
But in twenty fourteen, on the tenth anniversary of Marri's disappearance,
it was stated by police that they hadn't had any
credible sightings of Moura since the night she disappeared. It
was also reported that her dad believed she's dead.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
And it was abducted on the night of her disappearance.
So you obviously think is that she is dead and
then she was abducted.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
But I know that her dad, you know, he wasn't
really happy with how the police, you know, again to
a similar case. We're just done the place, you know,
they were shot. He wasn't happy with how they conducted
the investigation.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
And you know, they didn't.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Really they thought but I think they basically thought she
was just missing and she'd run away. Like they didn't
think there was any criminality involved. They didn't think that
it was any any.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
More sinister than I were just throwing away At first.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
They didn't really you know, they were just treating her
basically the missing person and yeah, not thinking that criminal act.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Had potentially happened.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
So the most recent report is that on the fourteenth
of September twenty twenty one, so forty to September this year,
a bone fragment was found on Loon Mountain in Lincoln,
New Hampshire, and It's about sixteen miles from the site
of where Mara's crashed car was found.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Mara had been to the.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Mountain before and had knowledge of the area, according to
her sister, and according to a statement, the bone fragments
are pretty small and may take anywhere from two to
seven months to identify if it as remains of more
or not. And so you know, that's obviously where they're
at at the moment, because that.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Was quite If she is dead, then I hope that
is hers. I mean, obviously we don't want her to
be dead, but she is there.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
I hope that is hers, and then identified and the family.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Exactly, I get the closure again, came back.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
You're not gonna realize that she's not going to get
closure or really enough because well no, just because they're
not going.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
To know what happened.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Yeah, exactly, because I mean, yeah, they're going to know
that she died, but they're how what or where was
she going? Why was she going there?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Because that's that's my questions, is is that what was
she doing? What was she doing because you know, our
dad was up the night before.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
If she was at a party, she felt good, obviously,
I know she had accent in the car, but.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Then the next minute.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
She's looking up to go somewhere else and then she
you know, stuff's packed up in her room.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Did it when she had the directions to Vermont? Was
at ten actual place in Vermont? Like was there like
a hotel or not a dress or.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:06):
I mean obviously only record of anything that we had
was the condo that she obviously tried to inquire about.
But I don't think she'd had found a place at
that point, so maybe she was just driving and going it.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
And I wonder if she was like sort of running
away but like not intended to be, like I mean,
because she packed up her stuff back.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
At the campus.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I'm just wondering if she was planning on sort of
not so much running away, just moving away, but if
she hadn't told anybody until she got there, and she
was her stuff was all packed up, so she was
going to get shipped yeah, out there, but she didn't
for whatever reason, she wasn't telling anybody until she'd actually already.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Moved, potentially because I mean, she didn't tell anybody what
she was doing.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
M I mean, you know, her boyfriend, the emails that
she sent him were like I'll.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Call you later, you know, speak to later. She'd just
been My dad died before. He had no idea that
she was going anywhere.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, there is the same read reason for her why
she was going, but that.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
That that's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
This is my thinker, And the reason why she got
out of the car after she crashed it and was
because she'd been drinking and didn't.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Want to get caught by the police for drink driving.
But the dragon in the exhausted that's so the thing.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Because I said that, I don't know why else there
would have been that in her exhaust I mean, unless
she tended to try and.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Because I'm thinking that she just didn't want to get
caught drink driving. So she's she's left and she's just.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
She could have panicked as well, because maybe, you know,
if she crushed her car, maybe she was going to
commit suicide.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I don't know. But then they because they passed her by,
have stopped.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
She If she's okay, then she's like, oh no, I've
been seen now I need to get away from here.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
She's panning.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Then she's just up and left and something's happened to her,
and something's happened to her, you know, because you know,
in February, so it's cold.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Or not necessarily, something's happened to her.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
She was com planning on killing herself and she's wait
and done it.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
So somewhere else with them. Where's the body though?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
If well exactly yeah, you know, there's no been a
sid there's not been any credible sightings of it either,
So it's like she's just disappeared abducted.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Sounds more like it that somebody took her because I
she'd done something to herself, then they would find sure
found her.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
That would have happened, I suppose unintentionally as she's crashed
the car, she's panic, she started walking to whatever because
the guy's spotted somebody.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
I mean, wasn't confirmed the hatter. The guy spotted somebody walking.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
You know, somebody could have picked her up and then
something could happen her there.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
But you know, there's just you know, again the answers.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
And I mean to tell you how long ago it
was is that at the time that she disappeared, Facebook
was only five days old and there was no YouTube
or Twitter.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
So Facebook's only hers It's two thousand and four, wow.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
So yeah, it was only five days old at the
time she disappeared, so there was no Instead, there was exposure, yeah,
of sharing it around.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
And not like what there is now somebody goes missing
and that's straight on social media exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I mean, I don't know whether i'd be interested to
know if that actually find people to make a difference.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah, it makes a difference in how quickly.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
They find people now or if they have more success
in finding people that go missing because of social media.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
But yeah, so I.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Mean let's say that you know, those bone fragments were
found in September this year, so I mean that's quite
a Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Well, actually, while you were started reading it out and
I thought, and I thought, I was actually just thinking
it myself. I'm sure I saw something on Twitter not
that long ago about some development in this case, and
I was like it myself.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I really hope that she's seen that she's wrote about it,
because I can't remember what it was.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Yeah, but yeah, so obviously, I mean I've not I
didn't see anything or anything more recent than that, so
I don't I mean, I said, I did say it
could take between two and seven months to identify, so
we're probably not going to release anything. Well, September is
only two months ago, so I mean probably maybe we've
been next year before.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
There might be a development. If it is or if
it isn't, well, I mean, you know, i'd like, I don't.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
You don't want her to be dead, obviously, but it's
been such a long time since, you know, she's been seen,
so the likelihood is probably will be. So if she
is dead, then at least they would get a closure.
Well I know, you mean there's no body, but it
be a okay, we know she's definitely dead.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Well yeah, yeah, they would have that, they would know
that she was dead, But then it's still that doesn't
answer any questions.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
That's because that's what annoyed about the case so much,
is it's just there's just nothing, like there really is
nothing to go.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
On, like it's it's it's just unbelievable how people can
just disappear anything here, and that's it.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I just want to know. I know, we're gonna go
what what were her thoughts?
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Like, what was she doing, where was she going, and
what was her plans?
Speaker 1 (26:48):
We might find out what did actually happen to her,
but we're still.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Not going to know why. Yeah, what led up to it? Yeah?
What led up to it because we're not unless something.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Because I mean from what I understand, I mean, there's
no indication anything. You know, why she was she was
obviously studying, you know, in the university, So why was
she all withst packing up and off and like what
was her.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Intentions if she was going to that place, what was
she going to do?
Speaker 4 (27:16):
But then you just don't know, Like people's actions are
different to what's going on in their heads. You know,
you don't know if she's said, like if she's contemplated
suicide or she's got mental health issues.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
I mean, like all that stuff can be well hit
it again.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
I mean, you know, back in two thousand and four,
mental health wasn't really talked about, so she could have
been going through something, you know, you know, sadly we
don't know, and frustrainedly we don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
But I would like them to get the closure.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
They like to know for sure whenhich's the library, Well,
but sell keeping eye out on the massive news.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Yeah, what if the development if that comes out that
it is her or whatever, then that massive news, because
that's a.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Thing and that's one of the many in the true
kind of world where people are like, so what's the
word perplexed. Is it, like, you know, everybody kind of
wants to know what happened. Yeah, so yeah, that'll be
big news. So yeah, we'll keep our eye on that
one and see how that develops. So thanks for listening
and we'll be back in a couple of weeks with
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our next Patroon episode.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
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Hi, I'm Laura and Angel and this is crick Divers.
Hello everybody, welcome to today's Patreon episode.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, So today it is a lot of old, it
is a lot of sold You're in for a treat.
So where in the world are we? We are in America.
And what's the name of your episode? It's called The
Disappearance of Maura Murray. Okay, shall we dive in. Let's
dive in.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Maura Murray was born on the fourth of May nineteen
eighty two in Hanson, Massachusetts. She was the fourth child
of Fred and Laura Laurie Murray. She had an older
brother called Fred, and two older sisters, Kathleen and Julie,
and also a younger brother called Kirt. Maura was raised
in an Irish Catholic household, but sadly, when she was six.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Her parents divorced, so Maura lived with her mother.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Maura graduated from Whitman Hanson Regional High School, where she
was a start athlete on the.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
School's track team.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
She was accepted into the United States Military Academy in
West Point, New York, where she studied chemical engineering for
three semesters, and after her freshman year, she transferred to
the University of Massachusetts and Hirst to study nursing.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
So in November two thousand and three, Maura admitted.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
To using a stolen credit card to order food from
several restaurants.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Be hungry well second that he must have just been
I can think of better things spent on book exactly.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
The charter was postponed until December, but was dismissed after
three months for good behavior. So on the evening of
the fifth of February two thousand and four, Maura spoke
to her older sister Kathleen on the phone while she
was on duty at her campus security job, so obviously
she lived on campus at.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
The university and she had a security job there.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
They discussed Kathleen's relationship problems with her fiance. So around
ten thirty that night, Maura, who was still on her shift,
reportedly broke down in tears. So when our supervisor arrived
at her desk, she said Maura was just.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Totally zoned out, like just totally not with it.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
So the supervisor took Maura back to her dorm room
around one twenty in the morning. She of course asked
Mara what was wrong, and Morris said only.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Two words, my sister.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Oh so obviously whatever had been in that phone call
had upset her. But we do find out what happened
in that Oh yeah, I'll tell you at this point.
At this point, that's all because what I'm thinking of
at the moment.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Is why she'll upset set about her sister having problems
were fiancee?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
But right, Okay, at this point, I was like, oh, why,
we don't know. But then as a research later on,
we actually an answer.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
To what the phone call was about. But at that point,
all we know is that she was upset over her sister.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Right, So let's say it's obviously at the type of
I just good time. Now. So at the time, you know,
no one knew the contents of the call.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
But thirteen years later, in October twenty seventeen, Kathleen.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Publicly explained the conversation.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Kathleen was a recovering alcoholic, so that evening she had
been discharged from a rehab clinic and on the way home,
her fiance had taken her to a liquor store, which
had caused an emotional breakdown.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
So I'm not.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Sure why would her fiance take her to a liquor
store when she just got out.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Of rehab for being an alcoholic.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yeah, I don't get that where I mean, obviously there's
no more elaborate elaboration on that stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
No, But I mean I.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Suppose I can understand maybe why Mona was upset because
you know, her sister's obviously just rehab and the first
thing her fiancee does is take her to a liquor store.
That's so I don't know. I don't know what his intention.
I don't know why she was taken there. I don't
know what happened, but clearly it was enough.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
To make little upset. Okay, I get that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
So on Saturday, the seventh of February, Morris's father, Fred
He arrived in Amhurst.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Maura and her dad.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
They went car shopping and later they went for dinner
with one.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Of Morris's friends. So this is I was a bit
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Really get this part, which you'll understand as to explain it.
But so after dinner, Maura dropped her dad off at
his hotel room, and then she borrowed his car and
went back to the campus to.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Attend a dorm party.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
She left the party at two thirty in the morning
and was driving back to her dad's hotel when she
struck a guardrail on Route nine and Hadley. She cost
nearly ten thousand dollars worth of damage to her dad's car,
and the officer who attended wrote an accident report, but
there's no actual documentation of any tests being conducted.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
So then more I was driven to her dad's hotel.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
The reason I don't understand it is that I couldn't
understand why she borrowed her dad's car to drive back
to where she stays on campus and then was going
to take the car.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Back to car.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Why didn't her dad just drop her off back home
at the campus. So the drinking, well, to be fair
supposed is that, I mean, it doesn't state whether there
was drinking.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, I mean you're right, but then maybe that could
have been the case for that. But I just I
was a bit confused.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Of why she dropped him off to go back to
where she stayed to then have to drop the car.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Back off, and then maybe she was going to drop
the car back off and stay there with him and then.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
He would drop her back in the morning. But I'm
sure there must have been on the campus. She wouldn't
think she would, Yeah, but maybe he had been drinking.
I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I'm sure there was some exploration for it, but so
say say. Mona was driven to her dad's hotel.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
So later on the Sunday morning, Fred readied a car
and he dropped Moa off at the campus. So she
went back to the campus and then he headed back home.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
So eleven thirty that.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Night, he called Maura to remind her to go and
get an accident form from the Registry.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Of Motor Vehicles, which I think is probably our equivalent
to be like the TB.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Yeah, they agreed to talk again on Monday night to
discuss the forms and fill like the insurance claim because
obviously she'd have to claim for.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
The fact that she crashed her dad's car. Yeah. So
after midnight on the ninth of February, Mara used.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Her personal computer to search map quest for directions to
the Berkshires and Burlington in Vermont. That was laughing because
Vermont always making thick of friends. Do you remember Rachel
went to Vermont. She's not a skier in Vermont.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Oh, I thought that was where Russ and Emily.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Where Emily went, Yeah, No, it was Neil then, But
I just had stop for something in the name Vermont
always remains their.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Friends because because the slader and.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
That's true in an apple in the de what you
call it in the archard or something.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, that's it. Yeah, So maybe she wasn't going to
be is it really? I mean, if it just makes
you think of it, I just like to get that in.
So yeah. So map quest is a.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Missuming, you know, just like Google.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
So around one pm, Mora emailed her boyfriend saying I
love you more stud I got your messages, but honestly
I didn't feel like talking too too much of anyone.
I promised to call today. They'll love you, Mara. And
she also made a phone call inquiring about renting a
(07:51):
con condeminum, which is condominium which is basically like a
flat but yeah, but basically a flat.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
The shared comment area is like a garden pool pool etcter.
You can just say cont getting the right name there
and work set.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
The owner, however, later confirmed that she did not rent
the condo tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I did actually write window. She didn't rent the condo tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
So one twenty four pm, Maura emailed a work supervisor
of the nursing's school faculty that she would be out
of town for a week due to a death in
her family, but her family actually later stated that.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
There had been no death in her family. That was
an excuse, an.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Excuse to get it out of of the nurses school
that she was attending.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
So to five past two in.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
The afternoon, Mara called a number which provides recorded information
about booking hotels.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
And in stores down in Vermont.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
The call lasted around five minutes, and at two eighteen
she called her boyfriend. He must have been busy, though,
as she left a voicemail promising that they would talk
later sot Around three thirty, she drove off the campus
in her black nineteen ninety six Saturn Sedan. So so she
even had her own car, so going back to the
whole car thing with her dad, she even buy it
(09:18):
though when they went cash oopping, well I.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Didn't say, just say they went car shopping, so I
don't actually know if she might have bought it then
but Andy picked it up until.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Later, or maybe she was getting a new car. This
was her row car anyway. Anyway, So she drove off
the campus in her car.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
So classes actually the university had been canceled that day
due to a snowstorm, so she wasn't doing any classes.
So at three forty Mora withdrew two hundred and eighty
dollars from a cash machine, and the foods.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Showed that she was alone.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
She then went to a nearby liquor store and she
bought about forty dollars worth of alcohol, and security cameras
again showed that she was alone, and at some point
in the day she did actually pick up the accident
report form from the Massachusetts Registery of Motiv so she
did glare.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
So Morea then left Amhurst between four and five pm.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
She called to check her voicemail at four thirty seven
and that was the last recorded use of her mobile.
So sometime after seven pm, a resident in Woodsville, New
Hampshire heard a loud thump outside her house, so through
her window she could see a car up against the embankment.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Along Route one one two.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
She phoned the Sheriff's department at seven twenty seven to
report the incident, and according to the nine one one
call log, the woman claimed to have seen a man
smoking a cigarette inside the car.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
However, she later.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Stayed she had actually seen what appeared to be a
red glow potentially from a mobile.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
So another neighbor, who was a bus driver, was coming.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Home and he pulled up alongside the car, is said
as he was returning from work.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
He said there was a young woman in the car.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
She was not bleeding and didn't look injured, but she
was cold and shivering. He offered to phone for help,
but she asked him not to call the police and assured.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Him she had called AAA, which is.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yes, sorry, but they have no record of a call,
so so she clearly didn't phone him, but she was
just telling this guy that she did.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
So, knowing that there was no phone reception in the area.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
The man actually went home and he did actually call
the police, so his call was received at seven forty three,
and another resident passed the scene around seven thirty seven,
and they claimed to have seen a place SUV, but
that statement contradicted the official police log, which was Hayer
Hill Place arriving nine minutes later, so a bit of
(11:46):
this obviously, the man phoned at seven thirty seven, not
only seven forty three, but then somebody else passed at
seven thirty seventeen they seen.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
The plaice there, but the police long only states that
there was nine minutes later. So, I don't know, it's
about confusion around there. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
So, according to the official police log, at seven forty six,
a Haverhill police officer arrived at the scene. The car
had hit a tree on the driver's side, severely damaging
the left head light and pushing the car's radiator into
the fan. The car's windscreen was cracked on the driver's
side and both air bags had deployed and the car
was locked. So inside and outside the car he discovered
(12:26):
red stains that looked like red wine, and inside the car,
the officer found an empty beer bottle and a damaged
box of wine on the rear seat. Other items were
found in the car, such as the accident report form,
make up, jewelry, driving instructions to Burlington Vermont, Morris's favorite Teddy, and.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
A book about mounting Clemming.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
So at this point, now you know it is Mona's car.
You know, I don't know whether they knew this exactly
at this point, but we know.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
This is Morris. Well, sounded like she wouldn't drink driver.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Well, it does sound like it, yeah, because I'd say
she did, you know, stopped off at the liquor store
to buy some alcohol and the fact, I mean the
obviously said there was an empty beer bottle. I suppose
the red wine could have been from the impact of
the crash. Maybit had Yeah, I thought that, but I
thought there's an empty beer bottle.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Then it sunds like she's been drinking. That sound like it.
But then I don't know where their back in America
with a lot.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Of different where you can have a couple of drinks
install drive, So I don't know how to be.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
It could be as much luck crashing cars. That's two
cars in two days'ft.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
So between eight and eight thirty, a contractor returning home
saw a young person moving quickly on foot eastbound on
Route one one two, and that was about forty five
miles east of where Mara's vehicle was discovered. He said
the person was wearing jeans, a dark coat, and a
light colored hood. He did not report it to this
place immediately due to his own confusion of dates, because
(13:52):
he only realized three months later when reviewing his work
records that he had spotted the young person the same
night that more had disappeared, so he hadn't actually remembered
that night. It was three months after she was last
seen that he realized. He didn't realize, So the responding
officer and the bus driver they actually drove around the
area searching for Maura.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
But they hadn't you know, They had no luck, and a.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Rag from Maura's emergency roadside kit was discovered stuffed into
the car's muffled muffler pipe. So I don't know whether
that was a bit because why would if that's the
exhaust pipe.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah, So the only reason.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
That I would know that you would ever like do
that is if you were trying to suffocate yourself in
your car, because you wouldbviously stop the fumes from coming
out the back end of the car and.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
They would streight the cars. So yeah, that was a
bit weird.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
So police referred to Maura as simply missing at twelve
the next day, twenty four hours after the last confirmed
site number.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
And on the February the tenth beyond the lookout report.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Was issued, so you know, in America they issued things,
so that was that was issued tenth.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
So on the eleventh of Febue, Morris's father arrived at Haver.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Hill and teamed up with the New Hampshire Fish and
Game Department to start a search for Maura, a police
dog track descent from one of MOA's gloves one hundred
yards east from where her car had been discovered, but
lost the scent, so this suggested that maybe she had
left the area in another car. MOA's boyfriend and his
parents arrived in hay Hill around five pm and he
(15:27):
was interrogated in private by the place because I guess they.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Must have hurt him with a be suspective.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
First and then he was joined by his parents for
questioning and at seven pm that the police said that
they believe Maura came to the area to run away
or attempt suicide, but her family they didn't believe either
to be the case. So that's that was their assumptions
of why she had decided to jump in her car and.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Been the attempt suicide. But with the wagon the pipe
could have been as well.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
But yeah, she could have been running away. So when
significantly this is quasic. When Mara's boyfriend had been flying
to Habr Hill, obviously you know on a plane you
have your mobile phone off, so at some point on
that flight he had received a voicemail.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Which obviously he would have got when he had.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Learned, and he believed that it was a sound of
more a sobbin. The call was traced to a coling
card issued to the American Red Cross, So somebody had
tried to call him using a calling card, and and
did she have one, Not that we know of, But
(16:37):
I guess if she had got somewhere, maybe she had
been I don't know how you get one of those.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I mean maybe.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
That's Red Cross is like a charity that helps people
that are in need. I guess so should have been
issued that she also ran away found something.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
It sho had been issued that, then surely somebody would
have said, oh.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yeah, this is true.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Actually, unless you already had it, I don't know. I mean,
there's no there was nothing to say she had it already.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I don't know that.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
So her boyfriend and dad, they held a press conference
and were also interviewed by CNN's American Morning. And obviously, normally,
like in these cases, it's like the local police.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
And the state place the deal with it.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
But the FBI actually joined in the search because it
got like nation wide coverage at this point, it was
it became quite big. So ten days after her disappearance,
there was a second ground and air search using a
helicopter with a thermal image and camera, tracking dogs and
cadavar dogs. Maura's older sister discovered a ripped white pair
(17:42):
of women's underwear lying in the snow on a seclud
trail in the twenty sixth of February, but DNA tests found.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
It it wasn't Morris.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
And back at the campus, Morra's room had been searched
by the campus police and they discovered most of our
belongings were actually packed in the boxes and the art
had been room off the wall, so it kind of
looked like she was going somewhere, which she shouldn't have
been because she was also in the middle of a
you know, semester.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
She was living there shows you didn't she wouldn't be
You didn't think she would be going anywhere. Maybe she
was running away and she would just make packing our
stuff to make it easier for well maybe well.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
And there was also a printed email to More's boyfriend
indicating trouble in the relationships relationship as well, so no
know what it says, No there was that it didn't
tell us what there was in an indication of trouble, right,
So sadly the trail went cold for the rest of
two thousand and four, with only a.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Couple of leads that you know, they didn't really anywhere.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
The police were interested in locating a black backpack, which
more I had, and there was like a that was
like a website set up where people could sort of,
you know, go on there and saved seeing any sightings
and stuff. And I think somebody there had been a
sighting of her a backpack left beside public toilets.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
You're like a sort of measuring that. And the police
said that they.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Were aware of it, but have no idea whether they
actually went and picked it up or not, so I
don't know. And in November two thousand and four, More's
dad appeared on the Montel Williams Show as well to
publicize the case.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Have you ever watched Montel Williams. Yeah, he appeared on
her to publicize that as well.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
But to be honest, apart from that, there's there's been
no further searches. So between two thousand and six four
in twenty ten, there was no nothing of significance.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Found at all.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
But in twenty fourteen, on the tenth anniversary of Marri's disappearance,
it was stated by police that they hadn't had any
credible sightings of Moura since the night she disappeared. It
was also reported that her dad believed she's dead.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
And it was abducted on the night of her disappearance.
So you obviously think is that she is dead and
then she was abducted.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
But I know that her dad, you know, he wasn't
really happy with how the police, you know, again to
a similar case. We're just done the place, you know,
they were shot. He wasn't happy with how they conducted
the investigation.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
And you know, they didn't.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Really they thought but I think they basically thought she
was just missing and she'd run away. Like they didn't
think there was any criminality involved. They didn't think that
it was any any.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
More sinister than I were just throwing away At first.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
They didn't really you know, they were just treating her
basically the missing person and yeah, not thinking that criminal act.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Had potentially happened.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
So the most recent report is that on the fourteenth
of September twenty twenty one, so forty to September this year,
a bone fragment was found on Loon Mountain in Lincoln,
New Hampshire, and It's about sixteen miles from the site
of where Mara's crashed car was found.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Mara had been to the.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Mountain before and had knowledge of the area, according to
her sister, and according to a statement, the bone fragments
are pretty small and may take anywhere from two to
seven months to identify if it as remains of more
or not. And so you know, that's obviously where they're
at at the moment, because that.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Was quite If she is dead, then I hope that
is hers. I mean, obviously we don't want her to
be dead, but she is there.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
I hope that is hers, and then identified and the family.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Exactly, I get the closure again, came back.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
You're not gonna realize that she's not going to get
closure or really enough because well no, just because they're
not going.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
To know what happened.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Yeah, exactly, because I mean, yeah, they're going to know
that she died, but they're how what or where was
she going? Why was she going there?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Because that's that's my questions, is is that what was
she doing? What was she doing because you know, our
dad was up the night before.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
If she was at a party, she felt good, obviously,
I know she had accent in the car, but.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Then the next minute.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
She's looking up to go somewhere else and then she
you know, stuff's packed up in her room.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Did it when she had the directions to Vermont? Was
at ten actual place in Vermont? Like was there like
a hotel or not a dress or.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:06):
I mean obviously only record of anything that we had
was the condo that she obviously tried to inquire about.
But I don't think she'd had found a place at
that point, so maybe she was just driving and going it.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
And I wonder if she was like sort of running
away but like not intended to be, like I mean,
because she packed up her stuff back.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
At the campus.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I'm just wondering if she was planning on sort of
not so much running away, just moving away, but if
she hadn't told anybody until she got there, and she
was her stuff was all packed up, so she was
going to get shipped yeah, out there, but she didn't
for whatever reason, she wasn't telling anybody until she'd actually already.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Moved, potentially because I mean, she didn't tell anybody what
she was doing.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
M I mean, you know, her boyfriend, the emails that
she sent him were like I'll.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Call you later, you know, speak to later. She'd just
been My dad died before. He had no idea that
she was going anywhere.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, there is the same read reason for her why
she was going, but that.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
That that's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
This is my thinker, And the reason why she got
out of the car after she crashed it and was
because she'd been drinking and didn't.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Want to get caught by the police for drink driving.
But the dragon in the exhausted that's so the thing.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Because I said that, I don't know why else there
would have been that in her exhaust I mean, unless
she tended to try and.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Because I'm thinking that she just didn't want to get
caught drink driving. So she's she's left and she's just.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
She could have panicked as well, because maybe, you know,
if she crushed her car, maybe she was going to
commit suicide.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I don't know. But then they because they passed her by,
have stopped.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
She If she's okay, then she's like, oh no, I've
been seen now I need to get away from here.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
She's panning.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Then she's just up and left and something's happened to her,
and something's happened to her, you know, because you know,
in February, so it's cold.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Or not necessarily, something's happened to her.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
She was com planning on killing herself and she's wait
and done it.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
So somewhere else with them. Where's the body though?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
If well exactly yeah, you know, there's no been a
sid there's not been any credible sightings of it either,
So it's like she's just disappeared abducted.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Sounds more like it that somebody took her because I
she'd done something to herself, then they would find sure
found her.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
That would have happened, I suppose unintentionally as she's crashed
the car, she's panic, she started walking to whatever because
the guy's spotted somebody.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
I mean, wasn't confirmed the hatter. The guy spotted somebody walking.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
You know, somebody could have picked her up and then
something could happen her there.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
But you know, there's just you know, again the answers.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
And I mean to tell you how long ago it
was is that at the time that she disappeared, Facebook
was only five days old and there was no YouTube
or Twitter.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
So Facebook's only hers It's two thousand and four, wow.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
So yeah, it was only five days old at the
time she disappeared, so there was no Instead, there was exposure, yeah,
of sharing it around.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
And not like what there is now somebody goes missing
and that's straight on social media exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I mean, I don't know whether i'd be interested to
know if that actually find people to make a difference.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah, it makes a difference in how quickly.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
They find people now or if they have more success
in finding people that go missing because of social media.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
But yeah, so I.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Mean let's say that you know, those bone fragments were
found in September this year, so I mean that's quite
a Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Well, actually, while you were started reading it out and
I thought, and I thought, I was actually just thinking
it myself. I'm sure I saw something on Twitter not
that long ago about some development in this case, and
I was like it myself.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I really hope that she's seen that she's wrote about it,
because I can't remember what it was.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Yeah, but yeah, so obviously, I mean I've not I
didn't see anything or anything more recent than that, so
I don't I mean, I said, I did say it
could take between two and seven months to identify, so
we're probably not going to release anything. Well, September is
only two months ago, so I mean probably maybe we've
been next year before.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
There might be a development. If it is or if
it isn't, well, I mean, you know, i'd like, I don't.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
You don't want her to be dead, obviously, but it's
been such a long time since, you know, she's been seen,
so the likelihood is probably will be. So if she
is dead, then at least they would get a closure.
Well I know, you mean there's no body, but it
be a okay, we know she's definitely dead.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Well yeah, yeah, they would have that, they would know
that she was dead, But then it's still that doesn't
answer any questions.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
That's because that's what annoyed about the case so much,
is it's just there's just nothing, like there really is
nothing to go.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
On, like it's it's it's just unbelievable how people can
just disappear anything here, and that's it.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I just want to know. I know, we're gonna go
what what were her thoughts?
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Like, what was she doing, where was she going, and
what was her plans?
Speaker 1 (26:48):
We might find out what did actually happen to her,
but we're still.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Not going to know why. Yeah, what led up to it? Yeah?
What led up to it because we're not unless something.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Because I mean from what I understand, I mean, there's
no indication anything. You know, why she was she was
obviously studying, you know, in the university, So why was
she all withst packing up and off and like what
was her.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Intentions if she was going to that place, what was
she going to do?
Speaker 4 (27:16):
But then you just don't know, Like people's actions are
different to what's going on in their heads. You know,
you don't know if she's said, like if she's contemplated
suicide or she's got mental health issues.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
I mean, like all that stuff can be well hit
it again.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
I mean, you know, back in two thousand and four,
mental health wasn't really talked about, so she could have
been going through something, you know, you know, sadly we
don't know, and frustrainedly we don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
But I would like them to get the closure.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
They like to know for sure whenhich's the library, Well,
but sell keeping eye out on the massive news.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Yeah, what if the development if that comes out that
it is her or whatever, then that massive news, because
that's a.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Thing and that's one of the many in the true
kind of world where people are like, so what's the
word perplexed. Is it, like, you know, everybody kind of
wants to know what happened. Yeah, so yeah, that'll be
big news. So yeah, we'll keep our eye on that
one and see how that develops. So thanks for listening
and we'll be back in a couple of weeks with
(28:23):
our next Patroon episode.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
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