The Mysterious Disappearance of Brian Shaffer

Brian Shaffer went into a nightclub one night and has never been seen since.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:17):
I welcome to cry divers. I'm Laura and I'm Jill.
I'm welcome to today's mysterious Patreon.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yes, we are here for another Patreon, another mysterious one. Yeah,
so Jill, we're in the USA. Okay in the title
the Mysterious.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Disappearance of Brian Schaeffer. Okay, I dive in. Let's dive in.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
So.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Brian Randallph Schaeffer was born on the twenty fifth of
February nineteen seventy nine in Pickerton, Ohio, to parents Randy
and Renee, and he had a younger brother called Derek.
Brian was good at tennis, actually so good that some
people said they could have actually went to semi pro.
I graduated from high school in nineteen twenty seven, and
his mum had inspired him to go to an americine

(01:04):
because she was a nurse, and so he went to
Ohio State University for his undergraduate work and six years
later he graduated with a degree in microbiology. In two
thousand and four, Brian started studying at the Ohio State
University Weixner Medical Center.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
That was a bit of it was a bit of
a mouthful.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, So I saw that Brian had a MySpace page.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
So for the first time ever, I went onto my
Space for a look because I'm gonna rest. Yeah that's
actually good. Well, yeah, we like.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
His page is still there, so I don't know if
you can actually because.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Obviously hasn't been updated for a long Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, so I don't know if you can still do
stuff on it, but still there. And well, I've never
been on my Space before, so I was like, I'm
just going to have an hed a my Space page.
But definitely maybe because I was in the people page
I was at the same time my Space. I think
my Space was more American as well. I think Americans
used that more than what we did in the UK.

(02:03):
But yeah, I never had one. I've never been on it,
so I thought I'll just I was like, you know,
maybe I should go aho look at this mass space.
So I found Bryan's page, and I thought, well, nobody
can describe him better than himself, so I'll tell you
what his bio says. So his bio says, quote, I
am a second year medical student at Ohio State University

(02:24):
only two years ago. I have an awesome and amazing girlfriend.
She's super hot and lots of fun.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Dot dot dot. I really love music.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
And this whole doctor thing is really just a job
and a brackets only temporary until I get my band
together and put out a record. I want to own
an island someday, or at least a beach so I
can listen to Buffett all day and drink margarite is
with my sinnorita. I think I think Buffett is Jimmy Buffett,
if that's how I pronounce it, because I was like, yes, girlfriend,

(02:59):
and there's a I called Jimmy Buffett who is a
singer songwriter, and because he's he was described as he
portrayed a lifestyle described as island escapism. Souman, that's who
who Brian was talking about. You wanted to listen to
them and on his island.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yeah, So the bio went on to say, I play guitar.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
I also have lots of talents, and it would take
too long to list them, and English is not one
of them. If you have any medical questions, feel free
to send them to me. Although right now I don't
know much about medicine. But the only way to learn
is from mistakes, right, so why.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Not mistakes medicine?

Speaker 2 (03:38):
It could be pretty catastrophic so then it goes on
to who I'd like to meet Eddie Veader of Pearl
Jam because he helped hair Metal come to an end.
I would also like to burn one with Bob Marley.
I want to be an alien when I'm reincarnated, but
not the woozy kind, the kind from the movie Alien.
So he sounds quite funny and a bit quirky and

(04:00):
have a personality.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
So, and his interests were listed as his girlfriend, hanging
with friends, enjoying life, drinking, traveling, random road trips, playing
and listening to music, deep sea, fishing the beach, working out,
running tennis, watching movies, medicine and science. And then it
said doing things with my mum, who was the greatest,

(04:22):
most wonderful person in the world.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
How nice is that?

Speaker 2 (04:26):
And as you notice I said his mum was the greatest,
And that's because in March two thousand and six, his
mum died from a rare form of cancer and they'd
been really close, as you can tell what boy has
just said.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
And of course Brian was devastated.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
So the Christmas before she died, his mum's present to
him was that she had paid for a spring break
trip to Miami for Brian and his girlfriend Alexis in
the April, so you know, she give it Christmas present,
and she died in the March, and the trip was
for the April, so although obviously he was devastated that
his mom had gone, he did have something to look
forward to the time away. It was excited about spending

(05:06):
time with Alexis and just chilling out as he had
been working so hard at UNI, worrying about his mom
throughout her illness, and then.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Of course dealing with the grief as well.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
So it was, yeah, he was looking forward to just
getting away for a bit. So Alexis, plus some friends
and family actually thought that Brian was going to propose
on their trips, so of course, like Alexis was really
excited as well, because you know, we're pretty sure that
that was what was going to happen. The classes finished

(05:37):
up for spring break on Friday, the thirty first. I
put December. I'm assuming that's March March. There is nothing
like December. I have no idea. That's a good bit
of holiday December, which spring first.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
I don't know why I've written I did the third
verse of December. It's so weird. March. I know you could.
You would think it was probably the beginning with the
same letter. Yeah, not in close, not even close.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
So anyway, classes finished off spring Ray, I'm Friday, the
thirty verst of March.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
She thinks two thousand and six. No, it was, it was.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
It was definitely because they because the trip was planned
for April, which was and it was only a few
days later, right, So Mark say December game.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
And we're in two thousand and six. I keep saying
two and six over and over again because I like
to know what.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
I like people to know what year we're in, because
you know, it helps you kind of when you're thinking about, well,
what technologies around and things like that.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
There was no such iPhone was not then? Was it not?
Not in two thousand and six?

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Well?

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Was it? It was about two thousand and maybe nine
or kind of No, was it? Really?

Speaker 3 (06:50):
The only I remember is because I was working at
Blockbuster at the time, and I remember two the young
guys that worked for me, they came in and they
had like these iPhone, the first iPhones, and then I
just obviously I had whatever phone it was.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
It wasn't an iPhone because I've never heard of it.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Before.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
I've never seen it before, and it was definitely around
that time, but I just don't I think I think
I don't know when I went to New York and ten,
I don't know if I had a life for the right,
But anyway, it was I think it was around that time,
so that I don't think it was two thousand and six.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
But I feel like I go, I'm Aorady Jena when
I see if I'm right or not two thousand and seven.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Oh okay, So.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
iPhone introduced on the nine to June two thousand and seven,
So there you go.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
There is just a little bit of a I thought
it was later than that, but I was I knew
it wasn't two tho and six.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah, so you obviously didn't know what iPhone him no,
and things like FaceTime and all that doesn't exist. Well,
just you want to get the idea of the technologies.
Not for this particular case. I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
I was just saying in general, you know, like because
sometimes when you have a case that's maybe be in
the seventies or the eighties, and then you're thinking, oh,
but yeah, they didn't have motive phones back then, so
they kid you have just phoned the place from where
they were things, but anyway.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Totally went over right, Okay, So anyway.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Classes were spring rake of Friday, the third first of
March six and Brian planned to go on a bar
crawl that night with friends, but first he had arranged
to go for dinner with his dad Randy at a
place called out Back Steakhouse.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Like get to get good ribs in there and to
get massive big steaks.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, big steak, like a good steakhouse, yes, and you
get like what they call it, what do they call
it now? What it's like, It's like a deep fried onion.
So it's like big deep fried onion and bar Okay,
anyway that I just remembered it was nice.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Well, Randy and Rennie loved going there, so obviously they
would recommend it as well, so I understandably. It was
only three weeks since then he had died, so Randy
had got a bit of emotional wealth having dinner there
with Brian, and Brian told his dad that everyone was
going to be okay, and that when he came back
from a spring break, they would spend lots of time together,
and he reassured him that he would always be there.

(09:23):
For them, so the trip was planned for the third April.
See that's how it was the first of March because
the trip was planned for third April, so it was
still a couple of days away, and Brian told Randy
that he would go over his house the following day
to help him, just do some cleaning.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
So Brian told him that he was meeting his friend William.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Clint Florence, who went by Clint after dinner, but Randy
didn't think that he should go because Brian was exhausted
because he'd been pulling like all nighters earlier that week
because he'd been studying for his exams.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
But Brian's like, no, I'm going, you know, for a drink. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
So after dinner, Brian called his brother Derek and asked
if him and his girlfriend wanted to go out as well,
but they said they were too tired. So Clint picked
Brian up from his apartment about nine thirty pm and
they walked there from there to a bar called You're
Gonna Love This The Ugly Tuna Salona.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
The Salona we.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Never came up with that had some imagination, yeah, So
they walked from Brian's apartment to the Ugly Tuna Solona,
and this was a popular place for students as it
was so close to the university. So they opened up
a tab and they started the night off with a
few shots. About ten PM, Brian phoned his girlfriend Alexis,

(10:49):
who had gone home to see our parents in Toledo
for a couple of days before they head off the
spring break. They had a quick chat mostly about their
upcoming trip before seeing I Love each Other and hanging up.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
So Brian and Clinton then went on to.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Some other bars and they were like drinking shots at
each bar as they went, and about eleven thirty they
met Meredith Reid, who was a friend of Clint's, and
later she offered to drive them back to the Ugly
Chuna Saluna.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
I'm just gonna let her laugh us.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
You say, well, yeah, because that's a big it's a
big thing in the case. So there's an escalator to
get to the entrance as it's on the second floor.
So Brian, Clint, and Meredith were all caught on the
CCTV on the escalator at one fifteen am. About forty

(11:43):
minutes later, Brian was sitting on footage coming back out.
She was at the top like at the top of
the escalator and he was talking to two women who
were friends of Clint, so he only chatted to them
for a couple of minutes and then he went back
into the bar, so I don't know why he was
going outside. And he then told Meredith and Clint that
he was going to talk to the band, and he

(12:06):
never came back and they never saw him again.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Okay, he was the band, didn't sight that was just
where he was going.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Not only the band, We're going to do it, just
the fact that that's where they're going and they never
saw him again.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
He's never been sin since in the end, so that's
that's the mystery.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
But yeah, that is the mystery, the fact that he
was in a bar and he went into a barn
and never.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Came back out again.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
So it's like, who the hell do you get lost
in the bar? Exactly? So without sorry, just without being
caught back on CCTV to did you.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Realize I am going to go into that. That's just
the end of the case, and that's what I'm going
to give you. Two m the bar was shutting and
the lights came on, so they started to look for Brian,
but they couldn't find him, so they both tried calling them,
but it went straight to boys. So after looking everywhere,
they thought, you know, as they just left and gone.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Home by himself.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
So they were like, right, okay, So they went outside
and they waited outside for a while just in case
they'd somehow miss dumb and they waited for everybody else
coming out, but there was just no sign of the
sign of them. So they were just like, right, he
must have went home, so we're just going to go home.
So the following day, Randy, Brian's dad, expected him to

(13:29):
turn up to help him clean, but when he didn't,
so he wasn't too worried.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
He knew he'd been going out the night before.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
She probably probably thought he was just like hungover or
tired and maybe something else that came up. But Brian's girlfriend, Alexis,
she was starting to worry she couldn't get a hold
of him, and by seven pm she called Randy to
see if he had heard from him.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Randy, but he hadn't obviously.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Randy had also tried to calling Brian again, but again
it went to voicemail. Clint had gone to pick up
his car from the car park at Brian's apartment, because
remember the night before he'd went and picked Brian up
from there, and he said he waited around to see
if Brian turned up, because obviously knocked on the door. No,
that's hung around waiting to see who turned up. But nothing.

(14:14):
So Alexis came home from her parents and she went
straight to Brian's house and I'm assuming she must have
been known on with the key, which is why nobody
else had let themselves in, So she let herself in.
She said it was clean and tidy, his bed was made,
there were no signs of a struggle, so she questioned
whether a dy wold made it home the night before,

(14:36):
which doesn't sound like So she's stayed in the apartment
waiting for Brian to come home, but unfortunately he didn't.
The following day, the Sunday, Randy called the police to
report Brian missing, but they weren't helpful and told him
a call back if Brian didn't turn up for his
flight on Monday, because obviously he'd explained the situation, so

(14:57):
that was not helpful in the slightest. So his family
and friends knew that something was wrong. He wouldn't just
go missing like that. So they started putting up flyers
and searching for him. Randy canceled Brian's credit and debit
cars just in case they'd been stolen like he would,
which to me proves how much they believed that he
hadn't voluntarily went off by himself or.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Canceled your car off to come home. Well, maybe I've
never thought about that.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
So the following day was the day of the flight
to Miami, so Alexis went to the airport and hoped
that Brian would show up. Maybe he just needed a
couple of a couple of days off and I don't know,
but she kept calling his phone but nothing. He didn't
show up at the airport, so she called Randy to
let him know, and he called the police again to say, right,
he didn't turn up his right, can you please do

(15:45):
something about it now? So the police checked like the
local hospitals and homeless shelters, but there was no one
matching Brian's description.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
They contacted the media.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
There were flyers put up everywhere, Alexis wrote on his
MySpace page, which actually seen when I went on to
asking everyone to help search for them. They took dogs
to the bar, they checked, and dumpsters on the street,
but you know, no sign of Brian. So the police
went to the ugly Chuna Salona and they checked the

(16:18):
security foot edge and like I said before, it showed
Brian enter in the bar and then coming out for
a couple of minutes to talk to the two women.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Then going back into the bar, but never coming back out.
See that just happened. Well that's what the case is.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Well, no, I can't give me any answer, but I'm
trying to get but it just seems like.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
How can somebody just disappear at a bar? Like is
there a way out?

Speaker 4 (16:44):
With the TV?

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Do? Let me tell you Joyce's keep gets in right.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Brian was six foot two, quite big belt, so you know,
it was easy spot like and in apparent.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
And it wasn't like.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Alloy'd had quite a bit to drinkcau obviously they've been
drinking sorts of all these bars. Like it wasn't falling
about everywhere. He wasn't you know, he seemed in controller
of these movements. He didn't seem that he was absolutely hammered,
that he didn't know where he was going or what
he was doing. You know, he.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Seemed quite quite compass. Meant us.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Every single person who had been in that bar was
accounted for. They were seen going in and coming back out,
except for Brian. Okay, there was an emergency except but
that had a camera, so if anyone used it, the
camera would immediately like turn and fixed. They must have
a motion thing on it sort of immediately fix on
that person, So he couldn't have went out that way.

(17:41):
The Ugly Chuna did have a name, No, that's not
what I've written, so I'm not saying that. The Ugly
Chuna did have a back door which the employees used,
and there were no cameras covering that door. So the
door led to like a freight elevator which took the

(18:03):
ground floor into a construction area. Now, apparently this construction
site was pretty hazardous and would have been hard for
anyone to navigate, even.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
If they were sober.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
So of course it would have been pitched black at
that time of night, so wear that way he could have.
But if he had went that way, where where did
he go after that? Like? Well, I'm getting there all right?
So there was a chain on the door to stop
random people using the door, but it was loose, so
it wouldn't be possible for someone to squeeze through. But

(18:32):
remember he has quite a big guy. But there's still
a possibility.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
We're not saying there's not.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
But although there wasn't a camera at that door, there
were other cameras in the area that would pick up
that door. And of course, so of course it went.
The police went to all the surrounding place of CCTV.
Still Brian wasn't captured on any of them on no CCTV.
So Columbus, which is where they were, that has loads
of CCTV, actually has the most security cameras in any

(19:03):
city of Ohio.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
It has more.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Than Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Toledo combined. So it's got that's
a hell of a lot of series of genie. So
you'd have thought that Brian had left Ugly Tis Aluna,
it would have been caught on cameras somewhere even if
it hadn't been coming out.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, like somebody else picked him up.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah, police even serves the sewer system.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
But again nothing.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
It was like you just walked into the Ugly tunis
a Luna and vanished like how like? How like? How
So police started questioning people and the first people they
talked to were the girls that he had talked that
Brian had talked to just outside the bar, as they
were the last people that he's known to have spoke
to before disappearing, but they said they had never met

(19:49):
him before, he didn't see where he was going, and
he didn't seem.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Very drunk to them.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
So they did find out that Brian and Clint had
had an argument at some point in the bar when
when Clint was asked to come in and do a polygraph,
he contacted an attorney and refused to take the test.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
But of course that doesn't improve any and.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Lots of people don't trust polygraphs, myself included, like if
I wouldn't, I wouldn't take a polygraph. But even if
I was innocent, I wouldn't take a polygraph. Yeah, I
don't trust I don't trust him at all. So it
might not mean end them, but I think the police
took that to be like a bit suspicious because and
because the fact that everyone else that Brian interacted with

(20:32):
that night, including his dad, took a polygraph and they
all passed, but he was the only one that didn't
take one, So you can kind of see how it
looks a bit suspicious. But it doesn't mean that he's
done anything.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
I mean, you're guilty.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
No, but Brian's brother, Dennik, he doesn't seem to think
much of Clint, He said, quote. I didn't know Clint
very well, but I always thought something was off with him.
The way he talked about my brother after you went missing,
kind of in a negative way. I wouldn't expect that
from someone whose friend vanished. If Clint knew something, I
hope he would have shared it. I deserve to know.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
End quote. Wait, they were.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Good mates, like you know, why wouldn't you even if
they did have an argument. I mean, makes can have
an argument. Yeah, and if it was nothing that led
to his disappearance, then you would think that he would
want to help. But then why you know why? I
think he didn't explain why you refused it. Obviously, No,
I don't think so. My bids to get to the

(21:30):
end of it.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
We know what my members that I wrote this a
couple of weeks ago, so we'll see, we're not I'm
not sure, wait and see.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
So when I looked at.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Brian's my Space page, I saw a comment from Clint,
posted on the thirty first of March two thousand and
six at eight fifty eight am. So that was the
morning of their pup crawl, right, okay, And it says
ladies don't believe a word, this man says he loves.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
The ass tags.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
So of course I don't know, Clint, but I just
thought that was about suit comment, Like, was he trying
to be.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
Funny as tags? Is that?

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Like? Well?

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Gay? Oh, I don't know. That's what I meant? Was
that not what it means? I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Well, just like no, because I thought that to me,
that seemed obvious, But is it not.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
I don't know. I don't instantly think that, but that
doesn't mean it isn't Oh, I don't know. Oh, well, anyway,
that's what you said. And I just thought because like.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Sorry, because when it says ladies don't believe a man
this word, this man says.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
So to me, that says he's saying that he's been
talking to other women.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
But then when he says he likes the ass tags,
so is he saying, yeah, he has been talking to
other women, but actually.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
It's not women that's in't here. I was just like
maybe it was like.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
I don't know, I feel like I need to google
That night I don't know if you're gonna get.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Ass tags.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
There's no other way spell ass tags.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
I just don't think it was a very nice comment
to me.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
I mean, whatever it means, because it's making it that
he's been speaking a to other to other women.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, come on, hurry up, sorry my phone. It is
just hastag.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
This is tattoo and a guy and a girl usually
in the ass or lower back of another person's name.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Really, okay, we have no idea what that means. Then, okay,
maybe it means different things in different places. He's like,
whatever it does mean, I just think, what do.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
You see a fan of the ass tags?

Speaker 2 (23:52):
You say.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
It loves the ass tags?

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Because again, there's another one that says a game that
usually middle school children play, it's when you were up
behind the opposite sex and slapped their butt.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Actually, well, whatever it meant to him, yeah, I have
no idea. I mean it could mean like numerous things exactly,
but it just doesn't sound very nice because he's saying,
as I said, basically saying, ladies don't believe a word
this man says, So like, what ladies is he talking about?
Whether or not he has been talking to other women
that's not your place to put that on his my

(24:27):
Space page where his girlfriend can see it and anybody
else exactly. Yeah, I just I know people can be
idiots online, but you know, he's supposed to his friend
and he's not looking great in this situation. So police
searched it. Searched everywhere. Kadawa dogs had searched every nuok
and cranny of the ugly tuna. Dive teams had searched
the river landfills had been checked, search dogs were used everywhere.

(24:51):
There was like no stone left unturned and unturned, and
there was a reward for any information leading to find
it on So there was a tip line set up
and lots of calls came and claiming that Brian had
been seen in very various states of America, Sweden, and Jamaica,
but none of these tips came to anything. Alexis would

(25:13):
call Brian's phone every day and it always went to voicemail,
which is why she would call because she wanted to
hear his voice on the voice mail. Yeah, but one
night in September, which was five months after he disappeared,
it rang three times, So of course Alexis was like,
oh my god, his phone must be mostly switchius one

(25:34):
on and she immediately immediately called the police and they
got in touch with the phone company. Brian's phone wasn't
GPS and a bold, but a ping from the phone
when Alexis rang was detected at a cell tower fourteen
miles northwest of Columbus. It's not that far forty miles away,

(25:54):
but after looking in at the computer company said it
had probably.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Been probably been due to a computer glitch.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Of course, so Brian loved pearl jam as I touched
on when talking about is My Space, And later in
the year, at a concert in Cincinnati, the lead singer
Eddie talked to the audience about Brian and asked if
that anyone had any information to get in contact with
the place. Randy, Brian's dad, contacted a psychic about Brian

(26:24):
and was told that his body was in water near
a bridge. Right, So Randy and Denk along with some
other locals and bought some waiters and spent a lot
of time searching the river in the river near bridges
until one day Randy tripped and fell in the water
and almost round and that must have been the point
when they realized they had to stop. They weren't find them, like,

(26:46):
you know, but to get to that stage when you're
looking for your son, it's just offul awful.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
Yea, they actually had them. Yeah, good, we're doing good
to find them, find them, but I mean that would
be pretty pretty horrific.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
So Brian's case went cold.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
The police just couldn't figure out what has happened to him.
Of course there's theories, which we'll get into in a bit,
but they just couldn't do anything else right now.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yah.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
So two years later, in two thousand and eight, tragedy
struck struck the family again. It was the fourteenth September
and there was a heavy windstorm. Randy, Brian's dad was
in his garden clearing debris and he was stuck struck
with a branch that flew off a tree and it
killed him.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
His neighbors found his body the following day.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Absolutely awful, you know, losing his wife, he disappears and
no idea and then that then he's put a brother, Derek.
He lost his mum, his dad, and his brother. Yeah,
in two years, two years. Because his mum died in
two thousand and six. Brian went missing two thousand and
six and then Randy died and eight in two years.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
His losses WI family or his whole immediate.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Family obviously, so his obituary was published online and it
was like a condolence book was posted for anyone wanting
to pay their respects, and one said quote Dad, I
love you, love Brian, and then in brackets it said
US Virgin Islands. So everyone was like, holy shit, he
did leave the ugly Tuna and he's got to make
a life for himself somewhere else. Because he was a

(28:25):
US citizen, he didn't need a passport to get there.
He had his wallet with him, so we're most likely
have ID so it was possible. So of course this
was investigate straight away, and they did whatever computer stuff
they do to find out where someone posted a comment from,
and three weeks later they announced that the comment had
came from a public computer in Franklin County, Ohio. So

(28:48):
so poor Derere, his family and Brian's friends waited three weeks.
So this whole time thinking oh my god, maybe he.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Is a lie.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
But no, some sick Arshold just thought it would be
funny play a hoax on a dead man's family.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Absolutely awful.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
So now eighteen years later, Brian still hasn't been found.
So theories which are just really not the usual theories,
you know, like has he ran away to start in
your life?

Speaker 1 (29:16):
How surely with the amount of CCTV and.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Columbus My question is like it's not so much what's
nessed happened afterwards, like well, how did he just disappear
from that?

Speaker 1 (29:28):
That's yeah, what happened? Like how did he disappear? Like
how does he managed to escape on CCTV? Well, that's it.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
I mean like even if he hadn't been got on
the bars cameras, he would have been, surely it would
have been seen on the other ones because there was
that much CCTV. And there's a theory that I had
a disguise. But again, how he didn't have a bag
with them, so he didn't take any clothes or hat
or anthing that we would have disguised them coming back
out of the bar.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Is Like, if you're seeing that kind of thing, then
to me, that's got to be a planned thing.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Well that's what they're talk about, because they're say, if
he's ran away to start a new life as planned,
but where did he get the disguise from that would see.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Him coming back. Has somebody helped him?

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Well, people think that Clint could have helped him with
the disguise, and that's why he didn't want to take
the lie detector and was being a bit shady because
he was actually protecting Brian. But as I said earlier,
every single person was accounted for on that CCTV, so
there was no unidentified person. So even if he was
in disguise, there would have been some random person caught

(30:31):
on camera, you know what I mean, every single person
came out, they identified them, So yeah, it couldn't have
had a disguise because like from what you've.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
Told me what I mean. Also, I know, like the
officially we know, we don't know what you know, Brian
himself was feeling inside himself. But you know, he obviously
sounds like he had a good life.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
You know, he was obviously studying his medicine.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
The girlfriend was going away, I mean, just his mum
not that long ago. So why would he want to
be like off going off to his dad's grieving and probably.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
You know, grief does funny things to pe well, you know,
I mean, yeah, you never know. I mean, I don't
believe it. I don't I don't think that's what happened. No,
I don't think that's what happened. But we have to
remember that you never know what's going on in somebody
else's mind. Grief can do the most weirdest things to you,
you know.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
But yeah, I just I don't think. I don't think that.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
But again and purely for the how, because how did
he do it? He wasn't on the CCTV. How did
he get out anyway? So of course there's a theory
that he had an accident. Did he leave out of
the elevator way and into the.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Construction site, to be maybe the most plausible, Yeah, and
maybe fell down a hole. But then surely the following
day the worker.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Because there was there was a hole, but the work
the following day, the the workers filled that hole, filled
the hole with cement.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Surely they didn't notice the body before pouring cement in
unless it was that far.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
No, I'm lying, I'm lying. I think that's just a
theory that there was a hole. I don't think there was.
I don't know it was confirmed that there was a hole.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
There might have been a whole.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
I think that's what what that would account for him
being missing, because if it felled in a hole and
they filled it in with cement. That's why. So I
don't think there actually was the hole, but that could
have happened. But surely they would notice a body, and.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
What do you think that if the theory was that
he had left that way that on the construction site,
they would, you know, do a really good investigation just
in case, or in the workman might be like, oh,
we've just laid some concrete like that day right where.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
We're gonna think that just in case.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
You know, surely that those things would be covered in
that Yeah, exactly, I would you know, I'm not a
police person, but I would think, logically.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Well, this guy is potentially lean this way.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
What what's changed? Like, what if we can't find anything,
what's changed? So if they've done something new.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Building wise and wise, surely you would have to say sorry, guys.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
But you're gonna have to Which is why that's just
a thingy because they could have well done that. So
did they somehow die accidentally in the bar and the
staff covered it up to avoid potential lawsuits, and they
dispose of his body at the construction site.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
So that's not not my theory.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
That's a fear that I saw, But I was like,
I don't know how many staff were there that night,
but surely it would take a lot to convince a
few people to cover up a death, especially if they
don't own the bar.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
I mean, if you just work there, you're not going
to be bothered about a fucking lawsuit, are you? Exactly?

Speaker 3 (33:38):
If you if an accident happened, I mean, obviously these
businesses should have insurance things like and if it's a
genuine accident.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Well not see I mean a by accident, I mean
has he been in a fight and somebody's.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Accidents, So I mean like, why would the bar necessarily
take responsibility for that, you know what I mean? Or
try to cover that up because they would be like, right,
well there's an accent happened, they have to phone the place,
they have to do whatever. Doesn't mean that they're in
the wrong or they're going to be you know, like
suit for anything. Because it could have been between him
and another person in the bar, or because known out

(34:12):
of the bar that could have been.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
That's not MATTHI I don't think that's it.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Did you say that it was the CCTV and in
the bar? Yes, Well, no, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
I'm assuming, so I don't know if there was, if
there was a well, no, I didn't, I didn't say it,
just said that there was a CCTV at the emergency
exit on the front door.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
If I had been in CTV like covering the whole bar,
then you would think you would see whatever.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
If something has happened, it would be on CCTV. But
then maybe that's not covered the whole like areas of
the bar, just in certain parts. Because again we're.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Going back to two thousand and six where maybe I
think there's a lot more probably CCTV in these places now.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Then there probably was maybe back then. Yeah, I said,
I don't know if there was. So of course there's
the theory of murder. Maybe it got in a fight
the bar after everyone.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Let these these are great, but how did he get
how did he? Where did he go? That's that's the
biggest question.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Like you can have all these steers in the world,
but the one question I've got a well, where did
he go from the bar?

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Like how did he get out at the bar? Like
what happened to meet him down there?

Speaker 2 (35:17):
So like I don't know, maybe the staff will try
to get him to leave and he was being awkward.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
They got in a fight, Brian died.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
I would more believe the staff covering that up rather
than an accidental death, like if there was actually somebody
had murdered dumb.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
It almost happened relatively quick, because wuld you not say?
It was called a quarterbacks one and then the bar
shot it like two. Yeah, so that's like within forty
five minutes.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
But we don't know what's happened, so it doesn't it
long if somebody's knocked him out his head on something.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
I don't know. I don't know. I'm just telling you
these that i've seen online.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, and I don't know if you've heard of the
Smiley Face Killers. Well, okay, well this person targeted young
white men who were college educated and out drinking with
their friends. So the killer would kill her victims and
then they would be found in bodies of water close
to where they had last been seen, and they would
draw a smiley face like somewhere near the scene.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
The psychic said that he was in war. Yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
So as Brian was a twenty seven year old white student,
he would fit the Smiley Face Killers victims.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
But there was no there was no smile face anywhere
near the river.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Brian's body wasn't found, so it doesn't seem likely that
he was a smile face victim. And of course that
still doesn't tell us how Brian left the bar exactly,
because that is not a question exactly, because I mean,
the other theories you could maybe piece together a bit
more if we.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Had known how what happened, what happened, but he'd been
seen leaving the bar or anything, but the fact that
he wasn't seen, I mean, well you don't know because obviously,
to me, if he's not been seen, it's like he's
not left the bar. But obviously he must have left
the bar, because he's not been found in the bar.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
His bank account it has never been touched since he disappeared,
and as we all know, his dad stopped his credit
and debit cards so they can't be used.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
So it's like he just walked into a bar and
vanished in the thin air.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
Were much has end of episode, We well, that's annoying.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Do you do you have because I don't.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
I just I don't actually have an opinion of a
theory there, because I think that's that's what I said.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
You don't The thing is, I don't know what's like.
If we don't know what's he's not like the bar,
I can't form in my head because so do I
hear John Stey.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
John Stey is that you have you seen the film
from Dustill Dawn, as Quentin Tantio has got.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
I've heard of the film. Yeah, the sexy guy from r.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
I have what I mean, not here's the sex a
guy from Yre remember his name just kid well, according
to John, because I've seen this film once and I
cannot remember. I know there was a bar.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
I can't remember. There was vampires, That's what I can
remember about it.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
So John said that that's what happened, and from dust
till don they go and at a bar and they
never come out again. It's because the vampires and the
vampires get them. And I'm like, yeah, but what did
they do with them? And then then I could just
can't remember. But his so I was like, so your
theory is that vampires were in the bar and the
vampires got them.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
And they said, yeah, that's a great theory.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
That's why I said, well done, John, I'm so glad
that you're not my co host of the podcast.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
It's definitely not plausible theory.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
You know, Yeah, but because that's what I said to John,
I was like, if it was vampires, where's his body?
Yeah exactly, Yeah, like vampires can turn into dust when
you kill them, unless they've turned them any a vampire
and then they've killed them and.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
It turns onto dust. Maybe, but I mean no, that's
really bad.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Shouldn't be shouldn't be making fun about it, but think
it's to me like if that entrance that doesn't have
the camera seems the most likely way that you could
have left.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
But as you said, it's what there's like if even
if somebody has killed them, right, and it's been in,
something's happened, it's been a split second.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Decision like you have. I mean, I've not been in
that posision.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
We'll never be accession, but there must be some sense
of panic and for you to be able to logically think,
I need to get rid of this body. Okay, there's
no cameras here, but what about the camera. I don't
know where all the cameras are surrounded unless you're like
really clever and know where all these cameras are, Like,
how have you avoided yourself been seen on camera?

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Plus potentially a body. You have done that unless that.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
They've put the body somewhere, because we don't know that
there's cameras inside. I don't think those cameras inside apart
from the doorways, right, So somebody's killed on put the
body somewhere, everybody's left, and then they've switched off the
safe for the camera and left like it was.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
If it was like bare staff or like.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
The ones.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
And well, that's what I'm just gonna say about why
are they not unless unless he's in a bag or something.
I mean, even then a six foot two guy, though,
what's it? And surely as police, like if you've checked
the sound areas and you.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
See somebody or something, yeah, you would question that, wouldn't you?
So that that's I mean, like how if it's been
a you know, because to be fair, you'd think it
couldn't have been a plan murder or if he's murdered,
but I mean a planned event of whatever's happened, of
his disappearance. But how do you how are you that
clever or have you just been that lucky? I mean,

(40:43):
surely there must be something for somebody that comes up
on CCTV that looks maybe a bit odd or something's different,
or I just don't. I just don't they unless unless
I knew how.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
And that's the bar shut.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Now.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
I think I think the bar shut. I think it
was two eighteen or something. I don't know. I don't
know if they've changed any something else or the ugly
chunis Luna. I know that was a good name for it.
It was. Yeah, it's just that's a very mysterious one,
isn't it.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
It's very mysterious, right, Okay, the dog's trying to get out. Yeah,
So thanks everybody for listening, and we'll see you next time.