The Real Dexter Morgan

This episode covers the crimes of Mark Twitchell.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Mhm. Hi, I'm Laura and Adel and this is hello everybody.

(00:22):
Welcome to today's Patreon episode.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
So where in the world are we?

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Todo?

Speaker 3 (00:31):
We're in America, somewhere helpful?

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Oh no, sorry, we're in Canada, America because I was
just looking at the screen and usually when I started case,
I've got in the first paragraph it says where the
person's from. But because in this one, I'm talking about
something else first.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
So we're in We're in Canada.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yeah, what's the title? The title is the real Dexter Morgan.
And then I I do know who Dexter Bargain is.
I love Dexter.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Yeah, but I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
I loved it because it's been such a long time
since I've actually watched it, but it was a series
that I really enjoyed watching like many many years ago
now and I know there's.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
A new one out, but I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
If I want to watch the new one. Sometimes I
think they shouldn't go back to these things.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
So Laura has obviously just told you that it's a
TV series, so I speil no. So yeah, so like
I know, like you know, not everybody knows who Dexter
Morgan is, but so that's why I was going to
describe who Dexter is. Well, watch, I would dive into
it and you can tell everybody. So Dexter, Yeah, let's

(01:41):
dive in. So Dexter is actually a book series and
it was made into a TV show and the main character,
Dexter is a serial killer. So just to give you
a quick background, the character Dexter is a forensic blood
spa analyst who works with the police department. Any spare time,
he targets murderers who have evaded the justice system.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Because of his job, he obviously knows.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
All about blood spatter and it takes his victims to
a place that he's already prepared. So he would have
already draped to kill site in queer plastic tactor pollen
to catch all the spilled Gonna says, skilled to catch
all the spilled spilled blood so that the whole whole
room would be protected and it wouldn't get caught. Ye. So,

(02:24):
and when he when he had murdered the person, he
would usually dismember them and it's several pieces and then
put them in heavy duty biodegradable rubbish bags with some rocks,
and then he would take his boat out and throw
the remains in the sea. That's correct, I remember. Yeah,
well I only watched the first season, so that's pretty
much what I got from it. But I didn't say
I don't need to wash the rest. That's pretty much

(02:46):
what he does. He likes to target people that are
already killed or done wrong and they've not been convicted.
He's taking out the trash. Basically.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yeah, well this this.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Murderer doesn't do that, okay, But the trial of the
murderer in this case attracted particular media attention because the
killer had allegedly been inspired by the fictional character Dexter Morgan,
hence the episode title. So, well, you'll see how it is.

(03:20):
How what's the word similar? Yeah, obviously that's what that's
He was inspired by Dexter. So so yeah, so we'll
dive into the case now. So Mark Andrew Twitchell was
born on the fourth of July nineteen seventy nine in Edmonton,
which is in Alberta, Canada. He came from a normal,
well justsed family, and he spent a lot of his

(03:41):
youth living in America. The family returned to Canada in
the late nineties and Mark attended the Northern Alberta Institute
of Technology, where he took a course on television and radio,
and he graduated from there in nineteen ninety nine. He
was a bit of a loner and he did have
a couple of cup of friends at college, and one

(04:01):
of his friends, Drew Kenworthy, said he was a good guy,
but not trustworthy. Well sounds stroubling her. Yeah, I'm telling
you there's a ghost in here, and I think it
was a.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Label from what.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Your notebook. Okay, sorry, I think I don't know. I
think there's been weird happenings in this room recently. Anyway,
I'll tell you about that. In the Halloween episode, Yes, so, yeah,
so so, Mark's friend had said, you know, it wasn't trustworthy. Yes. Well,

(04:49):
doing joint projects, Mark would often fail to do his part,
but like, rather than owning up to it and say
saying why he failed to do it, it would just like
lie and make up a story or an excuse. And
he also did slide unnecessarily anyway. Drew said that in
nineteen and nine, when Star Wars episode Won The Phantom

(05:10):
Menace premiered in Canada, he decided to turn the long
queue into a charity fundraiser, calling it a standathon. It
was decided that the proceeds would go to the Children's
Worst Foundation of Canada, and Mark also took part of it.
In the standard thon Mark auction some illustrations that he
claimed were the original drawings made by the production crew

(05:32):
of Star Wars A fan of Menace, but.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Later Drew realized that they were forged.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Forged, forged. It's a weird Maybe it's just their accents.
We'd say that they realized they were forging. They confronted
Mark about a bit Mark Review's technology. So you know,
that's gonna give you a bit of background about what
it was like. Around this time, we discovered a fascination
for the Internet, and he started going online and looking

(05:56):
for relationships. So he would go into chat rooms and
on dating sights, and in the year two thousand he
met a woman called Megan Casterella online.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
She lived in America, so the chatter for a few months.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
And then Megan flew to Canada to meet Mark and
they ended up getting married. She was twenty and he
was twenty one. Young love, Yeah, well maybe the thought
it was so Mark seltim mac dream was to make
his own movies and he loved dressing up as his
favorite characters.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Now, this sounds like he was the.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Sort of fun kind of guy, but Meghan saw another
side when she found out that he had been on
Faithful several times and realized that he was a compulsive liar,
which we've kind of figured out already, and the lads
weren't just to do with this cheating. He would lie
saying that he had paid bills when he had on
and like they would end up having debt collectors after
them when Megan would have to sort it out. Meghan

(06:48):
also found out that Mark was spending hours on the
Internet creating fake profiles, and he would use these profiles
on chat rooms and websites. She said that she said
that she thought that he just like to mess with people,
like making up the yeah, you know, just fun. Yeah,
just because they like to mess with people. So it
was quite soon after they got married that Megan realized

(07:10):
that she didn't actually really know Mark at all. The
moment she realized that was when he asked her if
she'd ever thought about killing someone, and she was like, yeah,
I'm sure a lot of people have been so angry
with somebody that they would be like, oh, I could
kill them. Yeah, but you don't act on it. No,
you don't act you don't really mean it as such,
and it's yeah, it's only in the anger of the
moment kind of thing. But Mark said that he had

(07:32):
thought about it often and he wanted to find a
homeless person to kill so that, you know, so people
wouldn't miss them. So that's when she thought, oh shit,
you know, thousands of miles away from home, and I'm
married to this guy who I don't actually really know
and don't know what is capable of. I'd be having
like really second thoughts. Yeah. Well she ended the marriage

(07:55):
in two thousand and five, and less than a year later,
Mark married another woman that he had met online. So
obviously he wasn't heartbroken.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
So they had a.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Child together, and when he bought them a house, he
used fraudulent documents to get the mortgage. He quit his
job and committed himself to producing a movie. He was
living on investors money when he made a movie called
House of Cards, which was a dark thriller about murder.
It was filmed in September two thousand and eight, and

(08:28):
it was about a man who was lured to an
isolated garage by a woman that he met online, but
the woman turned out to be a male screen screenwriter
working on a script about murder, and he did his
research by killing for real wearing a hockey mask, so
that's what the script was. So around this time a

(08:49):
man called Jul Jewel. Yeah, it's it's kind of written
like gillis but yeah, well I thought about a French
Canadian because you know they live in Canada. So it's Jill.
So hopefully I'm.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Getting that right.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
And I realized that I've kind of like wrote out
how to try and say it, and I've said use
the j as in jug, but that would just be Jill.
So I don't know what I have written it like that.
Luckily I've remembered it was Jill. Yeah. So he was
thirty three and he was recently separated and he joined

(09:27):
the day in site plenty of Fish on.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
There, he met a woman called Sena.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Her profile picture showed her as being attractive with blondie
and blue eyes. Jill said the way she wrote, the
way that she wrote made him feel like she was
very intelligent and they were both keen to me in person.
Sheena asked him, who if I said dinner in a movie,
and he happily said yes. So Friday, the third of
October two thousand and eight, Jill went to pick her up.

(09:55):
She had given him directions to her garage because she'd
said that something about parking or something. If you go
in the back the back way you go and like
to to her house, like in the garage, which he
must have sounded believable. Obviously, we don't think it sounds
believable because it's the true crime podcast, but we must
sound believable believe about him, So she'd give them directions

(10:17):
to her garage, and he arrived just after seven pm
that night. He parked in front of the garage door
and went in to meet Sena, or so he thought.
It was pitch black inside, so you couldn't see a thing,
and all of a sudden someone started attacking him with
a stun gun. His eyes must have adjusted to the light,
and he saw a man towering over him, wearing a

(10:37):
hockey mask. Sounds familiar, just a bit, just a bit
like that scripture we were just talking about. The man
then pulled out a gun. Jill was then pushed to
the ground and his eyes covered with duct tape.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
Sorry, I just lost.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
My place and the computer just ros for a second day.
So Jill is obviously a bad ass, and you know,
was obviously thinking, you know, not today's staying. Not today today,
So he ripped the duct tape from his eyes and
he jumped back up. He tried to grab the gun
from the guy, and as his fingers wrapped around it,
he had he had a realization the gun was plastic,

(11:14):
so was toy. Yeah, so he obviously thought sang fuck
and tried to make a run for it. So the
man kept punching him as he was trying to get away.
So Jill dropped to the ground and started like rolling away,
and he managed to roll himself under the garage door
and outside. But now for the first time, he felt
the paralyzing effect of the stun gun, and his legs

(11:36):
just wouldn't work. He was pulling himself down this gravel driveway,
and of course the man chased after him, and he
grabbed his legs and started pulling him back to the garage.
It just sounds like a horror ful Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
And the thing we've got by.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Now that this man was posing his you know, that
was marked twitch and this guy wanted to become a
serial killer like Dexter. So Jill knew that if he
got dragged back into that garage, she was going to die.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
So he mustard, said, so she mustard.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
So he mustard every bit of strength he had left,
and he made his legs work and he started kicking
at Mark and managed to get kind of get away
from him a bit. So it was, as I said,
he was outside at this point, so he looked up
and he saw a man and a woman out for
a walk. So he shouted to him, like, can you
help me this? This man is trying to rob me.
I don't know why he thought it was a robbery,

(12:28):
but he's trying to kill me. And then he said,
can you at least help me to my truck? Like
the couple were weary and they were scared that could
be a set up for them be attacked, which understand
I can totally. I think I'd be the same. I'd
be like, you know, our true crown brains are really.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
Kind of kicking in everything.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
So I don't know. I don't blame them, but what
they did do they ran home and called the police,
which I think was for then probably you know, in
that situation, it probably is the best thing to do,
because you don't know what you're selling for. That's very true.
I'm trying sometimes be the hero.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
But in other times it's maybe not a safe thing
to do.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
So yeah, so yeah, don't blame him for that at all.
So the man so from the cup of the man,
he took the place to the alley and described what
they had seen. But there was no one there now.
So the following night, the tenth of October two thousand
and eight, a man called John O'Brien Altinger Altinger, I'm

(13:28):
not sure if it's Altinger or Altinger. He was heading
towards the same garage thinking he was going to meet
a woman that he had met online. Right. So, John
was thirty eight and he worked in quality control. He
was passionate about motorbikes, and he was described as being
an honest man with a great sense of humor. He
spent a lot of time online and kept in touch
with his friends on there, and he was never offline

(13:50):
for long and was pretty much always online. That's how
he kept in touch with everybody.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
He went a lot of dating.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Sights and he was a member of Plenty of Fish
and that's where he a woman called Jen. So John
was just looking for love and after chatting with Jen,
chatting with Jen for a while, he thought he had
found it.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
So when she suggested meeting up, of course he was
up for it.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
So he set up to meet his day and he's
read Master hatchback and he emailed a friend when he
left and when he got there, and he even shared
the instruct the directions that Jen had given him, so
he was obviously being careful, like makes sense, sensible. He
arrived at the garage just after seven pm. But after
that message, the last message I had sent, he went

(14:37):
silent and his mobile phone was shut down.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
So a couple of days later, it was Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
So in Canada it's on the second Monday in October,
just in case you were wondering, Yeah, because that's why
I was like Thanksgiving. But then I was like, oh, no,
we're in Canada. We're not in America. Yeah, Canada.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
It's on the second.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Monday in October. So that would have been the thirteenth
of October.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
And no one had heard from.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
John on which was really unusual because I said he
kept it. Yeah, and when he missed a bike trip
that every everyone was worried because they knew that he'd
been really looking forward to this bike trip. So John
was John was the type of guy that if he
said he was going to be somewhere at a certain time,
he would be there. Very reliable, you know, if he couldn't,
if there was a reason why I couldn't be there,

(15:21):
he would let you know. People know, he would never
just not turn up. But then John's friends all received
an email from him, and his brother Will also got
it as well, and he said he said the email
was completely out of character. It said, I've met this
extra extraordinary woman named Jen, and I'm going away with

(15:41):
her to Costa Rica to her summer home for a
nice long tropical vacation, and I'll call you at Christmas time.
And then my finger was, well, it's a summer home.
We're in October, and you're no, i'll call you at Christmas. Yeah,
that does make sense, you know it doesn't. So John's
brother said, as soon as he read it, he thought,

(16:03):
that's got to be the weirdest message that he'd ever got.
John's friends obviously felt the same way, so they began
to do some digging. He's like his close friends called
everyone in John's circle of friends, and they called his
work and they were told that he hadn't shown up.
So that's when the right right will better phone the place.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
So did they tell him about because you know how
I said, like he shared his location of where he
was going to meet that person, but that everyone would
investigate that place at the garage or just jumped the gun.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah, we'll get to that. So yeah, so they went
to the police, but the police weren't too bothered because
he was a grown man and he had apparently let
his friends and family know that he was going away.
Well obviously he hadn't did do that. It wasn't him,
but there because you know the place, I like sometimes
Oh yes, I know, but that's what I'm saying. You know,

(16:51):
I've said it before.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
If you know, family and friends are saying the police
that this is out of character and this is.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Not something that he would do, then you know they
should listen.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
Yeah, because the place obviously at the other the day,
they don't know the person, They don't know exact about them,
so they can't decide whether that's out of character or not.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
With some people that know him and you know, interact
with them, in.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
Everyday life, something's obviously off, then they should be taking
a bit more seriously something.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
I think definitely. So his friends knew that something was wrong,
so they decided to take matters out of their own hands,
and they broke into John's apartment and that's when they
knew for setting something was up because his suitcase was there,
his passport was there, and there was like dishes in
the sink, you know, like it was obviously coming back

(17:36):
to the you know what I mean, It wasn't. All
his clothes were there. There was just no sign that
he was leaving for a while. So with that information,
they went back to the place and said, right, you've
got to do something, you know, and it always explained
it and the police took them seriously this time. So
Detective Bill Clark was have to laugh though, like later

(17:58):
on in the when when I was this and I typed.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Ben Clark and I kind of thought, is that the
right name?

Speaker 1 (18:06):
And I went back up a bit and I tip
Ben Clark went back up and then it was Bill.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
So I was like, yeah, so it is Bill.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
It's not being Bill, So whatever do you see, Ben,
I'm not a missed one. So Detective Bill Clark was
assigned to the case. Although he usually deals with murder
and not missing people. He said, normally homicide detectives aren't
called didn't to deal with this, you know, these kinds
of things, But after more than thirty years with the
Edmonton Police Service, he just had a gut feeling that

(18:39):
it wasn't just a missing person's case. By this time,
Johnny been missing for nine days and Bill knew from
talking to his friends that it was as I said before,
it was unheard of for johnn to go this long
without being in contact with anyone, and until I'm not
being online. John's friends also told him that they had
emailed John back after his message, like saying like, you know,

(19:03):
give us a phone like yeah, but you know, they
never heard from Yeah, never heard from him again.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
So Bill Clark actually later.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Said that this is one of the most intriguing cases
of his career. Yeah, And when he first started investigating investigating,
he had one vital piece of information. He had directions
to the garage that John had gone to meet Jen.
So they found out who owned a garage and got
him in for question and of course that person was
Mark Twitter. So he told place that he had been

(19:33):
shooting a movie there, and he said that he'd be
happy to show them around the garage.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Any suspicion they had about Mark.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Soon disappeared, because along with offering to show them the garage,
he answered other questions and even had some of his own.
You know, he seemed genuinely confused how a missing Gary
had been at his garage. And when he took he
took place to the garage, he knowed straight away that
someone had tampered with a lock on the garage door.
So he was giving it all like you know, somebody, Yeah, definitely,

(20:04):
and he was. He was convinced, and obviously he was
convinced enough for the police to believe him. So after
Mark's police interview, he had been inter read by other officers,
so Bill Clark he decided to watch the footage because
they wanted to see mark sort of mannerisms and you
know how he reacted to the questions, how he answered

(20:25):
dumb and whether or not he was deceptive, you know
that that's what he was looking for. But after watching it,
his opinion was that Mark was upfront and honest, very
good act it. Well, yeah, so for now he was
off the police reader. So after John had been missing
for two weeks, and police, presuming he was dead, they

(20:48):
turned to the public for help. They called him the
couple who you know, the couple that were out for
a walk when Jill was getting attacked. So they got
contact with them, and so they'd actually assumed that it
had been John who had pleaded for their help, because

(21:09):
Jill had never reported the attack to the police, so
the couple had never heard anything else about it. You know,
they were expecting to follow up, you know, they find
out what happened. So they actually assumed that it was
drawn that they had come across. Ye like, yeah, So
then when when they were asking about the attack, they know,
so when the police were asking about that, what they

(21:32):
saw they assumed. So they didn't realize there was two attacks. Basically,
that's what it is. That's what I'm trying to say,
do you get me? Yes, I was yours right, Okay,
So they didn't realize it was two attack. She just
said that. When homicide pieced together that story, they realized

(21:53):
they realized that the couple had stumbled across upon a
different attacks that had been a week before John had
went missing, So there was another victim and the police
had no idea who, so they went to the public
to try and find out who the other victim was.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
So they were hoping that if they find.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
That person's body, then that might lead them to John
as well. But if that person was alive, why hadn't
they came forward.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
We didn't know at this moment.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
I don't know what's happened to him. When it was
the couple seen him and then went back. They were there, So, yeah,
so they did have some ideas why he hadn't came forward.
They kind of thought, you know, like maybe he was
married and he didn't want to come forward because that
would mean his spouse would find out that he was cheating,
or of course he might be dead, or he might
just just been too scared. And it turned out that

(22:41):
the reason was because he was terrified. Right if he
said that he was always looking out for this guy.
Because he escaped. He didn't know if they attack, or
knew where he lived, or if he followed him. You know,
he had no clue. He obviously managed to get up
and I didn't say how he managed to escape, but
he's obviously managed to get himself up, and you know,
he's got his truck and driven off. Yeah, so Bus

(23:03):
said like he didn't know if the guy had followed
him or he didn't know how much the guy knew
about him.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
So he was absolutely was terrified.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
And it actually took him a month to work up
the courage to go to the police and tell them
about how he was attacked. And it became apparent to
them that whoever attacked him had also attacked John. But John,
you know, the kind of realized that John hadn't been
as lucky. Yeah, he didn't escape. So when Mark twitchally
had been interviewed before and he said that he hadn't

(23:31):
seen John or his read Master Masda Hatchback near his garage,
and the place had believed him. Well. That same day
that Gillood went to the place on a suddenly at
the Blue Mark suddenly volunteered some information that he claimed
he had forgotten, and that was that he had recently
bought a new car, a red Mazda Hatchback. Why would

(23:54):
you do that? Yeah, I don't know why he volunteered
off the places read Why would you volunteer more evidence?

Speaker 4 (24:01):
It clearly is incriminating to you now because you didn't
have the master.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
It was John, I had a Master, So that really
doesn't that's.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Just done, yeah, because you know it was the very
same making model that John had been dry when the
night he disappeared. So, you know, coincidence, very big coincidence.
So when he heard that, Detective Bill Clark couldn't believe it.
Not only was Mark back on the radar radar he
shot right to the top of their list, so you know,
totally totally put him selling in it. So the coincidence

(24:29):
of the car was just too much to ignore, obviously.
So Mark was asked to come back to the police
station for another interview and he was asked about the car.
He said he had bought it from someone in the street. Now,
this story is really believable that he gives, right, So,
so you gave this story about this random guy stopping
them and telling them that he had shacked up with

(24:51):
this really rich lady, like a sugar mama kind of situation,
and she was going to take care of him and
she was going to buy him a new car when
they got back from a vacation. They were taken right,
just this guy that randals doctor in the street and
that's what he said. So funnily enough, Bill Clark's instincts

(25:14):
were telling them that this Mark twitch was full of ship.
Yeah check, like the.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
What do you call it, Like the documents because obviously
you would have had to transcand the documents in his
name and you'd.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
See who the previous had forged ones. So you remember
he got he managed to get a mortgage with fraudulent documents.
So so yeah, so I mean, like that, that's what
they were thinking. He's feel of shit, he's killed John.
But you know, of course they had no real evidence.
They needed a confession otherwise, Like he was walking out

(25:47):
the polaystation that night. For both of the interviews that
Mark had been in, he had been treated like it
was just someone helping it and their requiries, and he
had no idea that they were actually now suspecting them.
So Bill Clark decided it was changed to change his
tactics from good cop to bad cop. He just, you know,
you just kind of had enough when he was like, right,

(26:07):
you know, there's no doubt in my mind that you know,
you're involved in the disappearance of John. But Mark acted
surprise and he denied any involvement. They had no choice
but to let him go. But just before he left,
Bill just before he left, Bill said to Mark, quote,
You're not going to be able to live with this
for the rest of your life, and Mark replied, quote,

(26:30):
you'd be surprised what I can live with, you know,
So that to me that sounds really telling of that
total that's what.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
You're saying, Then he's obviously capable of doing.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Something pretty bad. Yeah, because I sure if you're innocent,
you would say something along the lines of, well, there's
nothing to live with because I haven't done anything with you.
So yeah, so yeah, So, even though they had to
let him go, they then searched his car and his house,
and they seized an assortment of movie props and personal effects.
But funnily enough, the crucial clues and evidence actually came

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from Mark, because you know stupid, doesn't it. So it
was on the twenty second of October, which was two
days after Bill Clark questioned him, that the police examining
his computer files made a discovery in his laptop trash bin.
There was a document that Mark had delayed, and then
it was called s CA Confessions, and it was soon

(27:22):
discovered that SK stood for serial killer. So this document
started quote, this is the story of my progression into
becoming a serial killer, like anyone just starting out in
a new skill, Like why you would call it a skill.
I had a bit of trial and error owed me
to start. Oh oh, I don't know what I've type

(27:46):
something wrong? Oh right, okay, I get it. I had
a bit of trial and error allowed me to start
at the beginning, and I think you will see what
I mean. So that was the start of the document.
Obviously I don't got the whole documentary, but that was
the start of it. So that was obviously detailing what's done.
So Bill Clark was giving a copy and as he

(28:08):
read it, he realized that Mark had detailed the whole crime.
So when the police cross checked the document against the
facts they already knew to be true, like the attack
on jill s k confessions proved a remarkably accurate record
of Mark's crimes.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
So what imber I said it was.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Stupid, like he's actually documented his crimes, Like yeah, well
we'll get well, yeah, I'm actually just as ready to
tell you about what he did. That was like dexter.
So they let Jill read the account of his attack,
and he said that Mark had described it exactly as
it happened. So when they read the group some step

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by step account of John's murder, they believed it to
be true because obviously.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
So Mark had covered the kill room in turpolin.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Just like Dexter. So I think that's basically that's what
it took from the Exter, just that bit, just that.
Oh and how he disposed of the body, which we'll
get to you as well. Yeah, so he'd as I said,
he killed all, He killed all, So I'll start again. Yep,
he covered the kill room of the garage. But you

(29:17):
know Dexter called a kill room or kill site, killed
room or kill I think this Dexter called it anyway,
So he covered it interpol and just like Dexter.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
But John actually arrived early and caught.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Him off guard because obviously John was arrived and thinking
he was going to meet Jen and say he's going
to do something to be somewhere he's there, Yeah, but
he was actually early, So obviously John was expected a
lady call Gen, and here was this guy in a
room decked out like a scene from Dexter. So Mark
explained to John that he was a friend of Gen's, sorry,

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and he was a movie maker. So that's why the
garage looked the way that did. It was a scene
and the gen was running late, so Mark said, Mark
said that she would sorry, I'm having a malfunction on.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
Sorry right.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
So Mark said that Jen will be back in about
twenty minutes. So John said that's fine, you know, because
obviously he'd been early anyway. And he says, I'll come
back in twenty minutes. So Mark was like, shit, what
did I do? So and he eventually decided against going
through with the plan right just in case that while
he was away, John had told something about the garage

(30:34):
or you know, he'd phoned somebody.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
You know, that was a bit too risky.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
So John came back twenty minutes later and Mark told
him I sorry. You know, Jen called and said she
was held up in traffic. She wasn't going to make
it back for a while yet. So John just was like, oh, okay, fine,
I'll goo hold then you know, that's sort of the
dates canceled, so he left. So Mark went online a
while later and he opened up his email and he

(31:01):
saw there was a message from John to Jen, and
it expressed his disappointment that he hadn't been able to
meet and said that John has said that he would
like to set up another day, so Mark as Jen
responded saying, well how about tomorrow, you know, and John
replied straight away because he was still online, and asked
her she was at home now, because if so, he

(31:22):
could he could drive back straight away. So he was
always like keeny. But the thought he'd made a connection,
you know, So Mark a greed because it kind of
like sort of you know, he nearly got away.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
Really like it didn't happen because if that, if he
hadn't been so key to see her, then he might
have not bothered them.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Yeah, but unfortunately he obviously thought he had a connection
and he wanted to see her. Yeah, so obviously, so
Mark a graed. So when so when John came back,
it wasn't surprised to see Mark was there because obviously
he had already met him. And when Mark he had
his back to Mark, Mark hit John over the head
with a pipe. Mark hadn't realized just how hard it

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was to kill a man, and although John had fell
to the ground, he was still conscious and he was
he was trying to fight back. Mark kept hitting John
with the pipe and then he stabbed him with a
knife in the stomach. And then in the neck. So
John was that he was getting now dead. So he
then dismembered the body and placed the parts into bags.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
So that's obviously another what extra did you?

Speaker 1 (32:25):
So he cleaned up and then drove John's car into
the garage and put the bags in there, and he
turned John's phone off as well, So that's remember I'd
said earlier, he went silent. So he locked up the
garage and went home to where his wife and daughter
were sleeping, totally unaware of what he had just done.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Can imagine like being married to and not knowing.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Oh oh so so obviously that's basically what happened. So
when Mark Mark was arrested on the thirty first of
October two thousand and eight, Oh, I just realized that
the was like this time of year, the first October,
because like today is the wedding ninth October? Is it six?

Speaker 4 (33:09):
I don't know, we're nearly hallowy.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Yeah, so I didn't actually realize that I didn't do
that on purpose. So yeah, so he was a wrestldent
October two. That was three weeks after John had gone missing.
Bill Clark tried to get Mark to tell him where
John's body was but he refused to cooperate and he
was taken to the police station and put on a
man to await trial. So nine months later, Mark asked

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to speak to police, but refused to talk to Bill
Clark obviously didn't like him, so two other detectives went instead.
The meeting barely lasted three minutes. The police reader was
right saying he was being detained, detained for first degree
murder and attempted murder. Then Mark's lawyer told them that
Mark was going to give them a piece of paper,

(33:58):
which he did, and that that meeting over. The detectives left.
So Mark had given them a print out of a
Google map, and he had marked the location of where
John's remains were and they were in a sewer. So
in March twenty eleven, March twitch, Mark Twitchell went for
trial went to trial for first degree murder. He took
the stand on his own behalf and insisted that he

(34:21):
lured both Jill and John to the garage to build
publicity for his movie, assuming that when he let them go,
they would spread the news about what.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Had happened through word of mouth.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
He said it all went wrong when John attacked him
and he had no choice but to defend himself, and
he said that writing about the murder wasn't a confession
but pure fiction. The jury didn't buy it, and it
took them just four hours to find him guilty and
he was sent us to life in prison with no

(34:55):
possibility of parole for twenty five years. The attended murder
charge was actually because the crown said that he'd got
the maximum sentence for the murder, there was no need
to proceed with more charges, which I didn't really get
because I was like, why can't he get charges on
top of that?

Speaker 3 (35:11):
I've heard of other cases.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
Of course I've had other charges on top of that,
and I mean that's when we get to ridiculous life.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Senites can serve, but they still get something for it.
So I don't really get that one. No, I don't either.
And the fact that you know it wasn't like, oh,
he's going to be in prison for the rest of
his life, because he is. You know that he was
gonna the possibility of parole was just for twenty five years.
She was gonna spend it. After twenty five years you
might get out, yeah, So they could have give him
another sentence on top of that. So I don't really

(35:38):
get that one. No, but he says that. He says
that he was wrongfully acute, wrongfully accused, of course, and
the guilty verdict was because of mistakes made by the police,
the judge, the jury, his own lawyer, as they were
all intellectually unable to understand him, right, So what are

(35:58):
you going to say that? You know?

Speaker 3 (36:02):
So that's it?

Speaker 1 (36:03):
So yeah, that was so. Yeah, like he was inspired
by Dexter. He covered the kill site Interpallen, and he
dismembered and disposing the black bags.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
Yeah, dispersing my black bags.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
But it wasn't clearly as as brainy and bright as Dexter.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Well obviously not because he basically landed himself in it,
didn't he with the car? The car?

Speaker 3 (36:23):
I wonder if he hadn't mentioned that, well, I mean,
they might have got to.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Him eventually, But yeah, I don't know. But he just
put himself right up to the top of that list.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
And so he didn't last long as a serious color.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
No, he only killed one person.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Yeah, I mean I was bad enough he killed one person.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
No, But yeah, he didn't get any further obviously. I mean,
like he said that all these people were intellectually unable
to understand him, like he didn't sound very bright, so
like maybe they were actually they were actually bright people
and that's why they didn't Understan blackca you was that stupid,

(37:03):
So there you go. So thank you very much for listening,
and we will be back in another couple of weeks
where next week to our episode.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Thanks for listening.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Bye,