November 6, 2024 • 51 mins
North Shore Crime Cases was recorded live on October 10, 2024 at Off Cabot in Beverly, Mass. This bonus episode features questions from our audience in an open Q+A setting. Nothing was off limits.
Episode: https://www.crimeofthetruestkind.com/post/ep74northshorecases
Join us for a captivating journey through some of the North Shore of Massachusetts' most perplexing crime cases like that of Susan Taraskiewicz's unsolved murder and the person who found her body, the true gift that Colleen Ritzer, a dedicated math teacher at Danvers High, was to every student she touched, what stories have been told about missing Lynn boy Jesus de la Cruz, the impact of The Station Nightclub Fire, Wenham dermotologist, Richard Sharpe's history of family violence, the disappearance of Maura Murray 20 years ago and how searching for missing people has changed during that time, the tragic fate of Beryl Atherton, and the disturbing story of 16-year-old Lee Manuel Viloria-Paulino, who was found dismembered along the Merrimack River in November 2016. A classmate from Lawrence High School was convicted in his case.
We emphasize the essential role of community involvement in keeping these people and their stories alive, to push for justice for others like them by taking action to shed light on unresolved crimes and to advocate of the missing and murdered.
The true crime genre carries with it a weighty responsibility and consideration must be paid to the families of crime victims. The converstation does not shy away from the ethical considerations involved, touching on the importance of compassion and respect when recounting real lives with the mission of empathetic storytelling. Host Anngelle Wood reaffirms her commitment to treating these stories with empathy and care. We invite you to join our community in advocating for justice, ensuring that these voices continue to be heard.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, hello, my name is Angelle Wood and this is
Crime of the Truest Kind.
Hey, everybody, this is parttwo, the second segment from the
(00:35):
live show recorded October 10that Off Cabot in Beverly,
massachusetts.
It's a live show.
There won't be anything perfectabout it, but it is pretty
incredible the information thatyou share when you show up at
these shows.
If you haven't listened toepisode 74, the live show
(00:59):
presentation portion, do that.
Go back and listen.
And this is the bonus Q&A NorthShore Crime Cases recorded live
at Off Cabot, beverly,massachusetts.
Thanks for listening.
(01:20):
I would ask that, if you havequestions, I'm happy to talk
about whatever you want.
I would love to get it on micbecause we are recording.
You can identify yourself ifyou want.
You don't have to, that's not arequirement, but I would like
to get it on mic if you have aquestion and Stacy is here with
(01:41):
a.
Is this it, stace?
Thanks, chris, chris, everybody, everybody, my set designer,
you win a prize tonight becauseyou have been very active I'm
not crazy about a mic, but umthe kristin crowley case.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I, I think I remember that wasn that?
Wasn't her apartment behindlike Oriental Jade and Peabody,
I think it was?
I do remember that, yeah, and Ijust started listening to your
podcast and I do love it.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
I love it and I really do, and.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I'm really glad.
I hope you will come back.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
I will.
I'd love to come back these.
I find these to be, despite thesubject matter, I do feel like
it's I don't know.
I just feel like we kind ofhave a moment where we're
talking about stuff that youknow these people shouldn't be
forgotten.
Some of these people are gonefor a long, long, long time and
when I do research for folks andsome people, there's no,
(02:39):
there's like no digitalexistence or footprint for these
people, and it really bothersme that somebody lived and loved
and they don't exist anymore.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
no, no, my name's Kelly, by the way, and I am
actually from Beverly, but MaraMurray is a case that I'm hoping
will be solved by before I die.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I just, I really do have you heard the podcast that
her sister, julie, did?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I've been listening to that one as well.
Yes, I have been.
I do that one as well.
Yes, I have been, I do.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, it's quite well done and you know the good news
is, as a result of that podcastcoming out, they have gotten
new leads on the case.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Oh, and it's Fred.
Fred, I love Fred.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
He's amazing, he's great.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
We we often make because I'm a Massachusetts.
You know, I'm proud to be a NewEnglander.
I'm proud to be fromMassachusetts.
We joke with each other aboutbeing mass holes because he has
an extraordinary Boston accent.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
He's got a his accent , you know he's a great accent.
Thank you so much for coming,thank you.
Thank you for the question.
Speaker 6 (03:42):
I actually just finished listening on my way
home from work tonight to thatsecond episode of the young lady
in Somerville.
Speaker 7 (03:50):
Charlene.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
It just blew my mind.
I cannot wrap my head aroundany of what happened there.
That was crazy.
But I have a question.
I lived in Lawrence for severalyears and probably I don't know
a year or two into me living,there was a young man, actually
a boy, who was found on themerrimack river beheaded.
He was 16 years old and it wasobviously a huge.
(04:16):
I mean it's lawrence, so youknow shit happens there, but not
not beheadings typically.
Yeah, um and I don't know.
A few weeks into it theyarrested another young man 15,
and charged him with a crime andI couldn't wrap my head around
the fact that a 15-year-old boycould do that to another person.
Clearly, some of the storiesyou've told, that is a
(04:38):
possibility, but I've heard alot of other.
I mean, I overhe some, somestories at a bar in mithuan one
night about what mightpotentially have happened.
You know, as, as the years wenton, but I've never really heard
what happened after this kidwas um, was arrested.
I don't know really what the uh, what the result was, what,
(04:59):
what actually happened, butthere was so much, there was so
much more potentially to thisthan this other teenager I had
heard that he had potentiallylured this kid into the woods,
for the people that actually didkill him.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I'm not entirely sure what the status is of that case
.
Is that Lee Manuel?
Speaker 6 (05:21):
Could be.
Yeah, yeah, how do you find?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
out about that sort of stuff.
Sometimes we don't actuallysometimes it it gets lost.
Sometimes, for example, the thenayeli nieves story that I
talked about from last year,there is zero updates about her
case from last year.
I have family members asking meif I know anything and I said I
will try to find out the best Ican, but I do not have any
(05:51):
information and that's a that'sanother conversation where, much
like Charlene Rosemond's case,families don't often get
information.
They don't always know thatthey're able to ask questions.
They don't always know thatadvocates are available to help
(06:12):
them.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
Yeah, the way they were treated too by the police
department is horrible.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Everett Police Department would not even talk
to them.
They're like she's 23.
She's an adult.
Maybe she wanted to leave.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
Yeah, that's crazy.
I mean I know that parking lot.
Somebody was in a car dead forsix days.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
I can't imagine it.
I couldn't even imagine.
I mean, I live in a prettysmall town now and I couldn't
imagine that happening in mysmall town, like cops doing you
know just doing their regulardrive-by, cops doing you know
just doing their regulardrive-by, their drive-arounds, I
don't know what they're called.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
Oh, they hide behind trees.
I mean there's probably threeparking enforcement officials
for every citizen of Somerville.
They are everywhere, seriously,and that apartment building
that faces that parking lot,yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
And they found out.
I mean rose, her sister rose,didn't know this, but she
learned that they knew this area, that charlene and some of her
friends were familiar with thatarea.
Sometimes they'd meet up thereyeah and the people, the the
rosemont family, believe thatthey know exactly who's.
(07:26):
Rose was very careful not toname people and I respectfully
just let her I didn't press heron things because it's not my
job to be like who is it, who isit?
Name them.
I wouldn't release it on thepodcast anyway if they were not
arrested.
And actual suspects.
She was very careful about anyof that.
They were not arrested.
And actual suspects she wasvery careful about any of that.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
But she was very sure she knew.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
But they know.
They know who did it andsomeone was charged with perjury
in relationship to the case.
It's confounding to me thatsomeone was arrested for perjury
in an investigation into hermurder but nothing came from it
after that.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
And for giving and for supplying an alibi, a false
alibi for somebody.
Why did they not go for that?
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
So where are the other people you know?
If you know he was lying aboutthem, how come you haven't gone
after the other people?
And that's the problem that thefamily has.
They like we don't understand.
It's been 15 years.
Why is her murder not solved?
Speaker 6 (08:28):
yeah, that's nuts.
That's crazy.
It's like that.
Um girl from saugus too, that's.
Uh, there's just so many peoplethat know what happened oh,
susan, from susan uh gosh.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
What's her last name?
Taraskowitz.
Everybody knows that story, didyou?
Oh my gosh?
Can we thank you, stacy, canyou just say?
Speaker 4 (08:53):
that again, my dad's the one that found Susan
Taraskowitz's body oh my yeah, Iwasn't born.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I'm so sorry.
Yeah, that's traumatic.
I mean, don't forget that whatyour husband found two dead
bodies.
Oh my gosh, found someone in adumpster.
(09:25):
Oh, very sorry, he's notrelated to the case.
He just found her and just hadto report it.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Look it, I'll talk for you.
He's a mechanic.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
So the I mean I wasn't born.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I think the car was dropped off at the auto body
shop and my dad opened the trunkso the car that she was found
in was brought there.
Like a tow truck found it, Ithink no a car was dropped off.
Speaker 8 (10:03):
He thought that was one of the vehicles.
Oh, I see.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
But it was he, I think you know, oh my gosh,
actually her Colleen Ritzer washer teacher.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Oh see, there are too many connections.
See how it affects us.
Yeah, see how we all,unfortunately, have a connection
.
I wish that was never Talkabout Colleen for a minute,
because she was extraordinary.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Now I'll cry, but she really was.
She passed my junior year ofhigh school, um, but I had her
sophomore year and I actuallywas like a wicked math geek, um,
and she was just truly.
It's so funny because I'm 28and I think she was only 24 and
I'm like it's bananas that Ithought in high school she was
(11:00):
so much older, but she was like,truly, so kind, so sweet.
One of my favorite teachers, um, yeah, she was.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
She was a good, a good human she loved math, and I
don't know anybody who lovesmath, maybe two people.
Yeah, you love math.
All I was really bad at it.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I actually was at school that day and witnessed
her dad asking where she was.
So we had a cheering.
Did you know the perpetrator?
Also, I was a junior, he was afreshman, but I remember on
Twitter everyone was like oh no,Philip Chisholm's missing and
all the tweets were like oh no,like yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
They thought there were two crimes, right?
No?
Speaker 4 (11:52):
they didn't know that night and it was just oh no,
this boy didn't come home fromsoccer practice, what's going on
?
And it was all like oh, whenpeople hashtag Like yeah, yeah,
yeah on and it was all like oh,when people hashtag like yeah,
yeah, hashtag, like I rememberthat where is he find him?
And then the next morning wefound out school was canceled
because that bathroom wasblocked off.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
No one could ever go in there again, right, no?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
that bathroom actually opened up probably,
like I would say probably like amonth later.
I personally have never been inthat bathroom like after the
fact, but it did eventually openup.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
But I know like a lot of people did not use it.
I would imagine that would havetwo different schools, right.
Like schools, two differentapproaches, right?
People would go in it for likea morbid, macabre kind of thing,
and then other people like Idon't want any part of that.
Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
I think like I feel like people as our class
graduated in the last class, tohave her graduated.
Then it was more so like uh, ohmy god, this happened in the
bathroom, but for us it was alllike nobody's going in the
bathroom you're crushed becauseyou lost somebody who truly
cared about who truly she trulycared about her students.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
This 100, there's no doubt in my mind that she truly
loved what she did and loved herkids I used to like laugh all
the time and she'd be like tiana.
I'm sorry and for people whoaren't aware of a lot of
Colleen's story is she wanted tohelp him.
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The person that took her, theperson who killed her, she
wanted to help, she tried tohelp him.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
And whatever happened after that.
I can't speak to what happenedinside that boy's head, but she
truly was there to help him.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
But she was a good person.
I'm glad to have known her andhad her as a teacher.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Well, thank you for that.
I relish the opportunities totalk to people who actually knew
these people because they'remade into characters, but we
need to make sure peopleremember that Colleen was a girl
who a woman.
She was a woman she loved.
She was a math geek and damnproud of it and wanted other
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people, particularly herstudents, to have the same
enthusiasm about it that she had.
Yeah, yeah, it's amazing.
Thank you, what a reallyinteresting connection you two
have.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Wow.
Speaker 9 (14:42):
Hi, my name is Connie and I live in Swampskskate and
I'm very familiar with HenryBedard Jr.
He was a 15-year-old boy thatwas murdered next to the
railroad tracks in 1974.
And the only reason I'm sofamiliar with it was because I
graduated from high school in1974.
He was in high school in thenext town over I was in.
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Marblehead.
He was in Sw school in the nexttown over.
I was in Marblehead, he was inSwampskate and we had a really
playful town-to-town footballrivalry, which still goes on.
He was beaten to death with abaseball bat.
He was 15 years old and thereare a group of people in swamps
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get that swear to god.
They know who did it, but theyare so afraid to speak up and
one by one these people aredying.
They are getting way up therein age now and there's only one
or two people left from aparticular family, says they
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know who did it.
His girlfriend in high schooldid a Facebook page.
She has never been the same andshe every year on the
anniversary of his death or hisbirthday would put something up
to remind people what happened.
(16:07):
The Swampskate Police, the LynnPolice, the Marblehead Police,
the state police inMassachusetts all lied there was
a baseball bat with aparticular carving that someone
did by hand on the tip of thebaseball bat.
It would almost be like whatthey call tagging today, like a
(16:31):
gang.
That's how these people knowwhose baseball bat that was.
It was snowing that night.
He left it behind.
He was just walking home withChristmas presents for his
family.
His girlfriend says she nowknows who did it and she has had
I don't know what you call itanymore.
(16:54):
They used to call it a nervousbreakdown.
I think she's taken it downbecause she can't get anywhere.
No one will listen to her.
She can't get the families tospeak.
They're afraid for their lives.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
So this person is still in actively in the area
they are actively in the area.
Speaker 9 (17:13):
They believe they were also high school students,
but a little older, and theyalso think that somebody kind of
hinted around that one of theperpetrators passed away already
.
Wow.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
So more than one person involved in this murder.
Speaker 9 (17:30):
That's what they, these people are.
Most of this family has moved.
They're so afraid I don't knowanything about who these people
are that did it or what theirfamily connection is.
They're everyone so afraid ofthem.
Of course you think of the mobor something like that.
I'm really glad to see that youhave that up there, because
(17:54):
this is a crime that can besolved.
People are still trying and thepolice gave up decades ago.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Unfortunately, your story is so similar to so many
other stories in that cases arelanguishing, unsolved and family
members and people associated.
People who have knowledge ofthe case often know who the
perpetrators are but forwhatever reason, they don't do
(18:27):
anything, they don't move pastknowing or having a little bit.
That's why we need to keepshaking the tree.
We need to keep shaking thetree so people don't.
First, don't forget that thesepeople were alive and lived and
loved and had dreams.
But secondly, we need to try toget people to talk, because
(18:49):
what happens is, you know, wealways talk about well, there'll
be a deathbed confession, notnecessarily.
But relationships change, rightPeople who were keeping
somebody secret.
Relationships change, marriagesbreak up, people get upset with
one another, whatever scenariothat looks like.
But things shift and we need toget people.
(19:13):
So the Charlene Roseman casethat we were talking about in
Somerville.
Somebody posted on a messageboard I know who is involved.
Should I snitch or should Imind my own business?
Nothing has come of that sense.
But people are sitting oninformation.
For whatever reason, they'renot talking.
(19:35):
So many years have gone bysince this crime by now.
We need to get those people totalk about it, to connect those
dots.
There could be things thatauthorities already know.
A little bit information couldadd to that, could connect the
(19:55):
dots.
You know, make a, make aconnection, however you want to
term it.
But I don't think anyinformation is not a big deal.
I think any information issomething.
Speaker 9 (20:10):
And also I see you have the Burl Atherton case in
Marblehead.
Did you read the book?
I did not.
I just finished the book.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
What did you think?
Speaker 9 (20:18):
Unbelievably fascinating.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Wow.
Speaker 9 (20:20):
They didn't come to any conclusions, but it's got a
little bit of tongue-in-cheek toit also, it was either.
Three men were seen going intoher house that day.
Oh my gosh, remember I guessbefore I was born, I think they
used to deliver ice and themilkman delivered milk so there
was an ice man, a milkman and afish man and the fish man I
(20:44):
think it was that was bringingfish over.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
This was like like early Uber Eats folks.
Speaker 9 (20:56):
He found her body supposedly oh my gosh and called
the police.
But those are the threesuspects Fish, ice and milk.
So, but get the book if you can.
Yeah, it's fantastic.
I forget the man's name whowrote it, but he's an old
marbleheader.
He remembers all of it.
It's called I don't know.
I'll look.
Yeah, we'll find it.
I'm trying to even think of hisname, but thank you.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Thank you for that information.
Those are things that I don'tknow, so if anything we can take
away from tonight is we all gotto hang out, we all got to meet
, we got to talk, I got to cry,I got to drink wine.
You guys had, I hope, a goodtime and I learned a little bit
more information about that casethat I had not known.
Oh, is there a Facebook?
(21:40):
Is there still a Facebook pageabout his case, henry?
Yeah, we'll try to find it yeah, yeah it's still with her.
She just doesn't really know howshe wants to process it all
these years later one heavy thanone.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Light your coverage on the station nightclub.
I was in college then in a lotof very sketchy buildings seeing
concerts and took my kids totheir first show this summer and
realized the first thing that Ido, and my friends now, is we
look, and not just one.
(22:22):
You know what I mean.
And I was at Lana Del Rey withmy daughter and I'm like, okay,
look, look over there, look overthere If they go high.
Okay, look Look over there,look over there.
If they go high, you go low.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
So, unfortunately, but it changed the culture
surrounding attending events forso many of us in a good way.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yeah it changed?
It really did.
I mean, look, chris introducedus and said here's how you get
out.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
That's because of the station fire and it's terrible
when they still do pyrotechnicseven at Fenway Park.
But either way, On a lighternote, I'm sure many of us listen
to a lot of podcastssurrounding this sort of genre.
It is so lovely to hear you saypeople's names Puglisi, Noons,
(23:08):
all these Massachusetts namesand words.
You hear other podcasters andthey really try, but it's really
hard to say Worcester.
They don't get it.
They always apologize.
It's really nice to hear it andbe like okay, great, we don't
have to explain to you what itis you're actually trying to say
.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
They try hard.
I appreciate it because, muchlike all of you in this room, I
listen to all.
I listen to so many podcastsand I do chuckle.
I mean because that's whatbeing a new englander is.
By the way, we're in on thejoke, we know.
I mean that's why we get calledall kinds of things by you know
the outsiders, because we'relike get the fuck out of the way
(23:50):
.
It's a rotary, come on, just go.
You know all of the things.
We are who we are, but like youknow what you said, it's like
we can pronounce.
We can say Gloucester, we cansay Haverhill.
Yeah, danvis, it's Danvisforever.
For me, even though there is anR in it, it's Danvis forever.
No, but thank you for that,because I love being a New
(24:15):
Englander.
I love being a mass hole.
I have a Massachusetts necklace.
For God's sake, I love us.
You know I love us.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
You know I love us.
Do you think you'll ever do apodcast on the Dr Richard Sharp
case?
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Oh, that's a good one , wenham, wenham, do you live?
Speaker 3 (24:41):
in Wenham.
Do you know the area I live inGloucester?
He was my doctor.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Oh my God, tell me about that.
Richard Sharp was adermatologist based out of
Wenham, I think, but he hadoffices in other places right,
he had a Gloucester office.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
I don't know where else, but I saw him in the
Gloucester office.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
And what kind of?
Was he a good doctor?
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I think he really knew his stuff, but he was a
weirdo and everyone said he wasa weirdo.
Yeah, every patient his stuffbut he was a weirdo and everyone
said he was a weirdo.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, so people who are not may not be aware of the
the Richard Sharp case.
Dr Richard Sharp, he was adermatologist.
He I think he was really one ofthe first doctors that started
doing like laser treatments andthings and he was going through
a divorce and he correct me atany point if I'm wrong.
(25:31):
He went to his soon-to-beex-wife's house.
She opened the door and he shother, killed her and then what
we now know as transgender Ibelieve he was called like a
cross-dresser or something likethat.
So he was going throughtransitions and there was a
divorce and a pending divorceand children and all sorts of
(25:53):
traumatic things going on and hedecided that he was they.
They were going to murder theirwife to take care of the
problem, right?
Didn't really work.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
They painted the picture of him in People
Magazine and all around.
Oh well, that's because he wasa cross-dresser, we knew he
wasn't really right, and thiswas like the late 90s.
While to a lot of us small townpeople that may have been
shocking.
That really masked the wholestory of many years of how he
(26:27):
had mistreated his wife and thenhow he had shot her point blank
.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
You know, at their home again, another case of what
I've been saying all night.
Somebody decided for her whatwas going to happen.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
I don't accept that, but it is the reality but the
story goes on and he runs awayto new hampshire and they find
him in a hotel room and he goesthrough trial and is convicted
and then he commits suicide inprison.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
So it's a really interesting story so he excuse
my language, he pussied out yeah, yeah he, he wimped out, he, he
couldn't even.
He put so many other peoplethrough so much pain, but he
couldn't handle it himself.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
It was said that he stuck a fork in his wife's
forehead in the earlier days.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
What a monster.
He abused her for a long timefor this and she finally took
the steps.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
He was a millionaire.
That's probably why because hethought she was going to take
all his money.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
And were you a patient of his leading up to
this?
Yes, yeah, but you didn'treally know any better.
You didn't know what was goingon.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
You had no idea.
Oh, no, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah, on the North Shore, we know what it's like to
sit.
My mother is from, my motherwas from she's still alive.
My mother was from Salem andshe talks about.
Oh yeah, we went to the Willowsand we put baby oil all over us
.
I was like, which I did when Iwas a teenager, but I got smart
SPF every single day, no matterwhat.
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We slathered ourselves in babyoil too.
We do need good dermatologists.
Just while he's out, if youwould like me to, sure, sure, I
think it's on my.
I have a spreadsheet that hasprobably hundreds of cases of
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varying knowledge.
Some are no one's ever heard ofand there's not a lot of
information versus ones thathave are covered a lot.
I started when I started doingthe podcast.
I started with cases thatreally resonated with me, like
Kimberly Cates in Montford inNew Hampshire and you know
Whitey Bulger was because I reada great book that friends of
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mine wrote.
David Wedge is one of myfriends and Casey Sherman.
They wrote that that book abouthunting Whitey.
There's a case that I don't knowanybody I covered very early on
that.
I don't know if anybody's everheard.
It's about two teenage girls inSalem, new Hampshire, leanne
Milius and Kim Farah.
They were murdered and left inHedgehog Pond by Rockingham Mall
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.
I don't know that anybody evercovered their case and that was
really impactful for me becauseI did an episode about that case
and I was a little snarky in itand I'm really proud of the
work that I've done.
But there's definitely thingsthat I've learned along the way.
But one of the girl's parentsemailed me after they heard it
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and it was really incredible tohear they're like thank you for
what you said about our girls.
It was amazing.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
All right, what about you?
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Stacey's a true crime or two.
Okay, do you mind being on themic so I can pick you up?
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:16):
So I'm a true crime, love it.
I watch 2020s Dateline.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Me too.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
Netflix, all of it.
I don't listen to podcasts.
I'm going to start with yours,but it sounds like your cases
sometimes are solved.
You bring the story out, youtell their story of the victim
Sorry about your sister, I thinkit's you Very sorry about that,
but your unsolved case.
Do your podcasts ever bringanything to justice, like
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anything come of that?
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Well, people reach out to me and say some really
strange things, sometimesSolving a case no.
But help Putting new attentionon the case.
Speaker 7 (31:03):
Some of these lame cases, like Cases de la Cruz,
these girls know I'm dying tobring that one to light.
There's a lot of rumors that goaround Lynn of what happened.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
What have you heard?
Speaker 7 (31:17):
That he was sold that you know all those things.
I think he was kidnapped, so Iwould love to see more light on
that and to bring more facts andemotions and rumors to it.
So I was wondering if yourpodcast, besides Solve Cases,
bring in light.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yeah, because we need to continue to talk about it.
We need to continue to talkabout it and put it in the
public forum, so to speak, andif more people like myself and
people who do what I do continueto talk about it, I really want
them to get it right or do thebest they can to use the facts.
That's the most important thing, because there's always
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conjecture and speculation andthat hurts a case.
There are a lot of cases thatare really famous.
Somebody pointed out the Maura.
I have to say Maura Murray,because Julie's like her name
isn't Maura, it's Maura.
I'm like what's the difference?
Ok, maura, I know Julie andshe's a very good person.
She's a very good person and inMaura's case, she was the OG
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true crime case, and when I saythat, I mean she was one of the
cases that was happening associal media was really blooming
and taking off and it changedthe way her family could look
for her right.
So she went missing.
They have really no informationand at the advent of like
Facebook and social media, itmade things so much easier.
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Imagine losing someone yourloved one goes missing, your
sister goes missing, andpre-internet, you had to do we
still do flyers.
But you had to do everythinglike old school DIY.
You had to print flyers, youhad to knock on doors, you had
to go and ask questions DIY youhad to print flyers, you had to
knock on doors, you had to goand ask questions, which people
still do.
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But social media helps spreadthe word on a much larger scale.
We talk about with missingpeople.
Right, a child goes missing.
I don't care if that kid iscalled a runaway, I don't care
if that person has a drugproblem.
They're somebody's kid kid andthey need attention.
I don't care if that person haswarrants.
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We'll deal with the warrantslater.
They're missing, find them,because if there's foul play, we
need to stop whomever thatperson is.
That's hurting somebody else,because people don't stop at one
.
Generally speaking speaking,everything that we've learned
about true crime and we I I sayit, I don't want to be a
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sanctimonious asshole I watchthe menendez brothers thing, I
watch monster by ryan murphy,who is a little bit exploitative
, and the families of thosepeople will tell you, but I I
watch that shit.
It helps spread the word.
A kid is missing.
We need to find them.
I don't care if they ran away.
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Why do they run away.
They're just being a kid andthey were a shit.
Okay, possibly, but they mightbe in danger.
So social media has reallyhelped in that regard.
It's been an extraordinary help, particularly in a case like
Maura's, who's it's 20 years old.
You said that they have toleave now.
Yeah, oh good, mm-hmm, ifyou're on TikTok, julie has or
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go to their websitemissingmauramurrayorg.
Julie has a TikTok where she'llanswer questions.
She gets many questions whereshe'll say you know the season
that Julie did, it's calledMeteor Pressure, the premiere
season.
There will be subsequentseasons but it'll be different
families talking about theirmissing loved one.
I know there's a Molly Bish onein the works.
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For those of you who are aware,molly Bish is a teenage girl
who went missing in Warren, sortof like the central mass area.
I believe her sister's beenworking on a case, sorry,
working on a podcast about Molly, about her disappearance.
But Julie will say I get a lotof questions and somebody said,
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after media pressure came out,after the first season came out,
have you gotten any information?
And she's like yeah, we'vegotten a lot of tips.
You know the nature of thisstuff is you have to be careful
because some people want toinject themselves into the case.
We know that happens.
We know that people want to putthemselves in it for whatever.
Who knows why they're unstable.
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They want to say we've seen itin all kinds of cases.
John Benet Ramsey is a greatexample of that.
It's a horrible story.
It's unsolved.
There seems to be a great dealof evidence surrounding her case
.
Yet here we are all these yearslater, unsolved.
But cuckoo birds say I did it.
I mean they have to shake allthat out and they come to
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realize that well, you didn't.
But they have to be verycareful and and you know what?
The Murray's, they've been atthis a long time.
They know, you know, they, they, they can identify when
something's you know a bananasthing.
For the most part, I meanthey're, they're, they're very
smart and they're, they're, youknow, they're very engaged.
The family is very engaged inthis.
(36:27):
20 years later, I think there'sa lot of families who may say I
don't know, I'm just tired, Idon't know, I don't want to keep
fighting this fight.
The Murrays will never stopfighting that fight.
They want to know, they believeit's foul play, foul play.
(36:54):
It's very bizarre, thesituation by itself, that her
family is as confounded as thepublic is.
They don't know why.
Thank you, bye, it's okay.
No, no, it's okay, thank you.
The family's confounded.
They don't know what was goingon.
They don't know why she, theydon't know her actions, what
they've discovered.
They don't know why she droveto New Hampshire.
I mean, they have ideas andthere's information.
They know that the publicdoesn't know.
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But, like most of us, we haveno idea why she was driving to
New Hampshire that day, why shetold her professors that there
was a death in the family, thatthere wasn't.
There wasn't a death in thefamily.
Yeah, so there's the podcastabout that that Julie did and
she did an amazing job.
Somebody who's not a podcastershe doesn't do any of that stuff
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but it meant a lot to her to doit.
She did the podcast and therewill be more as a result of the
success that Julie had with hersister's case, and other
families will get to tell theirstory, because let's talk about
that Everybody I talk about howwe borrowed these stories and we
should take very good care ofthem.
Julie got to tell her sister'sstory that everybody else has
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been telling for 20 years.
That was a very powerful momentfor her.
I'm going to tell my sister'sstory.
I'm going to do it Becausepeople have stolen that story.
There are books written, thereare people in this true crime
space that have capitalized ontheir grief.
What do you think of?
We don't say that name becauseof all the reasons.
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Yeah, it's tough, but thatfamily are soldiers and they've
had a lot of loss.
The Murrays, you know they lostAmora, disappeared.
Their mom passed away, theirsister passed away and they are
a pretty strong unit thatremains.
There's Julie, there's her dad,fred, there's their dad, fred.
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There's their brother, curtis,who's great, really great guy
and he involves himself.
He's come out to what we did,state house events that he's
been at and, yeah, they'rereally, really, really focused
on.
I believe a lot of these otherfamilies feel like this is
solvable.
We just have to shake thatinformation out of wherever it
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is that it's solvable.
People talk.
That's the thing People talk.
So maybe, to address yourquestion, talking about these
things will eventually, we hope,to the gods.
Talking about these things.
We'll hopefully get thatinformation, whether it's here,
here, here, and we can pull allof these together and get that
(39:31):
information.
That's going to tie some ofthese things that can lead to
what happens.
I don't look at myself as I'm aninvestigator.
I would never first knock onsomeone's door and be like I do
a podcast, tell me about theworst thing that happened to you
.
I would never do that because Iwould expect someone to slam
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the door in my face.
But I do feel like if we talkabout it in a respectful way and
if there's ever interactionwith the family that they
recognize.
I just want to try to helpfigure out if I have this
platform that maybe I can talkabout it and that encourages
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another person, maybe like me,that has a platform to talk
about it.
Provided it's factual andempathetic, then that's the
right way to go.
For those of you who listen topodcasts, there's a podcast
called In your Own Backyardabout the Kristen Smart case in
California.
That is one of those podcastswhere I say that cracked a case
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because Kristen Smart wentmissing and there was a lot of
information about what happenedto her, but they just couldn't
nail it down.
The host of that show not atrue crime detective, not even
an armchair detective, not evenkind of a detective.
(40:58):
I've seen the shirts.
They said I don't know.
I've got some skills.
I know how to edit audio.
I can work a mic.
I want to help.
So with the right intentionsChris is his first name.
With the right intentions, hewent to California.
I don't remember what hisdirect connection was to the
case.
I think he just gave a shit,which is like step one, give a
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shit, started shaking the treeand guess what?
That motherfucker is in prison.
It took a long time to get thatguy, but the guy that was a
suspect is in prison for hermurder.
His father got off.
The father, we believe, helpedcover up the murder cover up the
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murder In your Own Backyard.
He actually that podcasteractually helped solve her murder
.
That is a sick case too.
Anybody who's familiar with itI'll tell you a little bit that
I remember.
It's very detailed.
I remember somebody who renteda house that was owned by the
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family of the perpetrator nowwho is in prison.
They rented a house and theyheard in the morning really
early in the morning they heardthis alarm go off.
At the same time every day thisalarm would go off, like
somebody set an alarm to wake upand then eventually it stopped.
They believe that she wasburied on the property and her
(42:33):
watch was going off.
Her alarm was set at the sametime every day, but then the
battery wore out and then theydid a dig on the site and they
didn't find anything.
The motherfuckers moved thebody.
They moved her somewhere else,we don't know.
(42:56):
Yeah, they did digs on theproperty and it sounds like I
don't know for sure because I'mnot a detective but it sounds
like the perpetrator's parentshelped cover up.
Not just the dad, also the momhelped cover up the case.
Could you imagine for a momentI could not.
(43:18):
I could not imagine for amoment knowing that my son was
first capable of, and murderedsomeone and then helping them
cover it up?
Absolutely not, no, no.
But that makes me differentthan them because I would be
like no, you did this, you.
You have to pay for your crimeand the the horrible, horrible
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pain that her family wentthrough all of these years.
They knew it was him.
They knew they connected a lotof the dots and they needed
people to talk to connect therest of the dots.
And it held up in court and hewas convicted and he is in
prison and he was very.
He was that kind of indignantperson like get off my get, get
(44:07):
out of here, leave me alone.
I didn't do anything, you'reharassing me.
The families actually had likelawsuits against each other
because they're like youmurdered my daughter, we know
you murdered my daughter, getout of here, you're harassing me
.
We know you murdered mydaughter and covered it up.
And we know you, we know you.
At least your dad knows.
So, yeah, victory there clearlywasn't just him, it was other
(44:29):
people involved too.
He went for it.
He, just he.
He had conviction.
He's like I'm gonna take my micand talk to people who will
talk to me.
I'm sure there's tons of peoplehe tried to talk to who
wouldn't talk to him.
A lot of people did.
All right guys, thank you forcoming.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Sean.
Speaker 8 (44:55):
Yeah, okay, I just wanted to add one thing to the
few people that have left.
There is some seriousunderestimation to the power of
social media and sharing thisword.
And right to your question, mysister's case happened a long
time ago.
Even the local news channelsdidn't have any footage from
court, the crime scene, anythinglike that.
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They had to dig it all back upfrom paper newspaper.
But thanks to Facebook, twitterand Angel, the shares that get
out there, whether you realizeit or not, put pressure on
people to do the right thing.
Down the road.
This year we went through theparole hearing and Angel helped
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really put some legs back intothe story.
It had gone dormant for a longtime.
We hadn't had to worry about it.
Um, it created a huge mediapresence, not just social media
but even the news channels, andshe can attest that day at the
court at the parole hearing.
All the major networks werethere.
They were all buying for timejust to get the one quote they
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needed to get.
But the people you don'trealize are feeling that
pressure are parole board right.
I know a couple of thempersonally.
I cannot talk to them becausethat would just be a mess, but
they watch the news, they havesocial media, they read the
newspapers, so that pressuregets applied.
So you guys just following thisinformation and any other
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podcasts or social media groupsthat you follow, share all that
information, especially themissing children that Angel's
doing.
Just share it.
Honor the victims, keep theirnames in everybody's mind.
Hopefully we'll get some goodout of it.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Amen.
Thank you, Sean.
Speaker 5 (46:50):
President Mop Avkabit would like to say something.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
No, thank you everyone for coming.
Speaker 7 (46:55):
Thank you, Angel, because it's just the fact that
you do this from a perspectiveof like a victim and advocate.
I think it is an amazing thingto keep these stories alive and
all of you are very interested.
I'm sitting here thinking howamazing this is, so thank you
for being here, thank you allfor coming and I hope we have
you again.
Thank, you.
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Yeah, we hope to have you back.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
I'd love to come back and I'd love to if there's any
stories, if there are any casesyou want me to look at that.
Maybe I'm not, I don't know.
There are a lot of things Idon't know and I'm happy to say
there are cases that I didn'tknow about, including Marsh's
case at the top.
Just shoot me an email and if Ihave questions, I'll ask you,
(47:40):
and if you know people who haveinformation, I'll reach out to
them.
I'm happy, you know.
Whatever, whatever you know, ifyou think of something tomorrow
, you know, if you think ofsomething about the Sharp case
or there's another case thatcomes up, or maybe a follow up
to something I've already done,let me know.
I'm happy to Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
Thank you again.
Speaker 7 (48:00):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Thank you.
Thank you everyone for youramazing questions and comments
and feedback and thank you tothe team at off cabot for taking
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Well, hello, my name is Angelle Wood and this is
Crime of the Truest Kind.
Hey, everybody, this is parttwo, the second segment from the
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live show recorded October 10that Off Cabot in Beverly,
massachusetts.
It's a live show.
There won't be anything perfectabout it, but it is pretty
incredible the information thatyou share when you show up at
these shows.
If you haven't listened toepisode 74, the live show
(00:59):
presentation portion, do that.
Go back and listen.
And this is the bonus Q&A NorthShore Crime Cases recorded live
at Off Cabot, beverly,massachusetts.
Thanks for listening.
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I would ask that, if you havequestions, I'm happy to talk
about whatever you want.
I would love to get it on micbecause we are recording.
You can identify yourself ifyou want.
You don't have to, that's not arequirement, but I would like
to get it on mic if you have aquestion and Stacy is here with
(01:41):
a.
Is this it, stace?
Thanks, chris, chris, everybody, everybody, my set designer,
you win a prize tonight becauseyou have been very active I'm
not crazy about a mic, but umthe kristin crowley case.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I, I think I remember that wasn that?
Wasn't her apartment behindlike Oriental Jade and Peabody,
I think it was?
I do remember that, yeah, and Ijust started listening to your
podcast and I do love it.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
I love it and I really do, and.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I'm really glad.
I hope you will come back.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
I will.
I'd love to come back these.
I find these to be, despite thesubject matter, I do feel like
it's I don't know.
I just feel like we kind ofhave a moment where we're
talking about stuff that youknow these people shouldn't be
forgotten.
Some of these people are gonefor a long, long, long time and
when I do research for folks andsome people, there's no,
(02:39):
there's like no digitalexistence or footprint for these
people, and it really bothersme that somebody lived and loved
and they don't exist anymore.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
no, no, my name's Kelly, by the way, and I am
actually from Beverly, but MaraMurray is a case that I'm hoping
will be solved by before I die.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I just, I really do have you heard the podcast that
her sister, julie, did?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I've been listening to that one as well.
Yes, I have been.
I do that one as well.
Yes, I have been, I do.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, it's quite well done and you know the good news
is, as a result of that podcastcoming out, they have gotten
new leads on the case.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Oh, and it's Fred.
Fred, I love Fred.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
He's amazing, he's great.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
We we often make because I'm a Massachusetts.
You know, I'm proud to be a NewEnglander.
I'm proud to be fromMassachusetts.
We joke with each other aboutbeing mass holes because he has
an extraordinary Boston accent.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
He's got a his accent , you know he's a great accent.
Thank you so much for coming,thank you.
Thank you for the question.
Speaker 6 (03:42):
I actually just finished listening on my way
home from work tonight to thatsecond episode of the young lady
in Somerville.
Speaker 7 (03:50):
Charlene.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
It just blew my mind.
I cannot wrap my head aroundany of what happened there.
That was crazy.
But I have a question.
I lived in Lawrence for severalyears and probably I don't know
a year or two into me living,there was a young man, actually
a boy, who was found on themerrimack river beheaded.
He was 16 years old and it wasobviously a huge.
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I mean it's lawrence, so youknow shit happens there, but not
not beheadings typically.
Yeah, um and I don't know.
A few weeks into it theyarrested another young man 15,
and charged him with a crime andI couldn't wrap my head around
the fact that a 15-year-old boycould do that to another person.
Clearly, some of the storiesyou've told, that is a
(04:38):
possibility, but I've heard alot of other.
I mean, I overhe some, somestories at a bar in mithuan one
night about what mightpotentially have happened.
You know, as, as the years wenton, but I've never really heard
what happened after this kidwas um, was arrested.
I don't know really what the uh, what the result was, what,
(04:59):
what actually happened, butthere was so much, there was so
much more potentially to thisthan this other teenager I had
heard that he had potentiallylured this kid into the woods,
for the people that actually didkill him.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I'm not entirely sure what the status is of that case
.
Is that Lee Manuel?
Speaker 6 (05:21):
Could be.
Yeah, yeah, how do you find?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
out about that sort of stuff.
Sometimes we don't actuallysometimes it it gets lost.
Sometimes, for example, the thenayeli nieves story that I
talked about from last year,there is zero updates about her
case from last year.
I have family members asking meif I know anything and I said I
will try to find out the best Ican, but I do not have any
(05:51):
information and that's a that'sanother conversation where, much
like Charlene Rosemond's case,families don't often get
information.
They don't always know thatthey're able to ask questions.
They don't always know thatadvocates are available to help
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them.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
Yeah, the way they were treated too by the police
department is horrible.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Everett Police Department would not even talk
to them.
They're like she's 23.
She's an adult.
Maybe she wanted to leave.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
Yeah, that's crazy.
I mean I know that parking lot.
Somebody was in a car dead forsix days.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
I can't imagine it.
I couldn't even imagine.
I mean, I live in a prettysmall town now and I couldn't
imagine that happening in mysmall town, like cops doing you
know just doing their regulardrive-by, cops doing you know
just doing their regulardrive-by, their drive-arounds, I
don't know what they're called.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
Oh, they hide behind trees.
I mean there's probably threeparking enforcement officials
for every citizen of Somerville.
They are everywhere, seriously,and that apartment building
that faces that parking lot,yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
And they found out.
I mean rose, her sister rose,didn't know this, but she
learned that they knew this area, that charlene and some of her
friends were familiar with thatarea.
Sometimes they'd meet up thereyeah and the people, the the
rosemont family, believe thatthey know exactly who's.
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Rose was very careful not toname people and I respectfully
just let her I didn't press heron things because it's not my
job to be like who is it, who isit?
Name them.
I wouldn't release it on thepodcast anyway if they were not
arrested.
And actual suspects.
She was very careful about anyof that.
They were not arrested.
And actual suspects she wasvery careful about any of that.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
But she was very sure she knew.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
But they know.
They know who did it andsomeone was charged with perjury
in relationship to the case.
It's confounding to me thatsomeone was arrested for perjury
in an investigation into hermurder but nothing came from it
after that.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
And for giving and for supplying an alibi, a false
alibi for somebody.
Why did they not go for that?
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
So where are the other people you know?
If you know he was lying aboutthem, how come you haven't gone
after the other people?
And that's the problem that thefamily has.
They like we don't understand.
It's been 15 years.
Why is her murder not solved?
Speaker 6 (08:28):
yeah, that's nuts.
That's crazy.
It's like that.
Um girl from saugus too, that's.
Uh, there's just so many peoplethat know what happened oh,
susan, from susan uh gosh.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
What's her last name?
Taraskowitz.
Everybody knows that story, didyou?
Oh my gosh?
Can we thank you, stacy, canyou just say?
Speaker 4 (08:53):
that again, my dad's the one that found Susan
Taraskowitz's body oh my yeah, Iwasn't born.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I'm so sorry.
Yeah, that's traumatic.
I mean, don't forget that whatyour husband found two dead
bodies.
Oh my gosh, found someone in adumpster.
(09:25):
Oh, very sorry, he's notrelated to the case.
He just found her and just hadto report it.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Look it, I'll talk for you.
He's a mechanic.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
So the I mean I wasn't born.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I think the car was dropped off at the auto body
shop and my dad opened the trunkso the car that she was found
in was brought there.
Like a tow truck found it, Ithink no a car was dropped off.
Speaker 8 (10:03):
He thought that was one of the vehicles.
Oh, I see.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
But it was he, I think you know, oh my gosh,
actually her Colleen Ritzer washer teacher.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Oh see, there are too many connections.
See how it affects us.
Yeah, see how we all,unfortunately, have a connection
.
I wish that was never Talkabout Colleen for a minute,
because she was extraordinary.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Now I'll cry, but she really was.
She passed my junior year ofhigh school, um, but I had her
sophomore year and I actuallywas like a wicked math geek, um,
and she was just truly.
It's so funny because I'm 28and I think she was only 24 and
I'm like it's bananas that Ithought in high school she was
(11:00):
so much older, but she was like,truly, so kind, so sweet.
One of my favorite teachers, um, yeah, she was.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
She was a good, a good human she loved math, and I
don't know anybody who lovesmath, maybe two people.
Yeah, you love math.
All I was really bad at it.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I actually was at school that day and witnessed
her dad asking where she was.
So we had a cheering.
Did you know the perpetrator?
Also, I was a junior, he was afreshman, but I remember on
Twitter everyone was like oh no,Philip Chisholm's missing and
all the tweets were like oh no,like yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
They thought there were two crimes, right?
No?
Speaker 4 (11:52):
they didn't know that night and it was just oh no,
this boy didn't come home fromsoccer practice, what's going on
?
And it was all like oh, whenpeople hashtag Like yeah, yeah,
yeah on and it was all like oh,when people hashtag like yeah,
yeah, hashtag, like I rememberthat where is he find him?
And then the next morning wefound out school was canceled
because that bathroom wasblocked off.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
No one could ever go in there again, right, no?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
that bathroom actually opened up probably,
like I would say probably like amonth later.
I personally have never been inthat bathroom like after the
fact, but it did eventually openup.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
But I know like a lot of people did not use it.
I would imagine that would havetwo different schools, right.
Like schools, two differentapproaches, right?
People would go in it for likea morbid, macabre kind of thing,
and then other people like Idon't want any part of that.
Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
I think like I feel like people as our class
graduated in the last class, tohave her graduated.
Then it was more so like uh, ohmy god, this happened in the
bathroom, but for us it was alllike nobody's going in the
bathroom you're crushed becauseyou lost somebody who truly
cared about who truly she trulycared about her students.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
This 100, there's no doubt in my mind that she truly
loved what she did and loved herkids I used to like laugh all
the time and she'd be like tiana.
I'm sorry and for people whoaren't aware of a lot of
Colleen's story is she wanted tohelp him.
(13:30):
The person that took her, theperson who killed her, she
wanted to help, she tried tohelp him.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
And whatever happened after that.
I can't speak to what happenedinside that boy's head, but she
truly was there to help him.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
But she was a good person.
I'm glad to have known her andhad her as a teacher.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Well, thank you for that.
I relish the opportunities totalk to people who actually knew
these people because they'remade into characters, but we
need to make sure peopleremember that Colleen was a girl
who a woman.
She was a woman she loved.
She was a math geek and damnproud of it and wanted other
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people, particularly herstudents, to have the same
enthusiasm about it that she had.
Yeah, yeah, it's amazing.
Thank you, what a reallyinteresting connection you two
have.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Wow.
Speaker 9 (14:42):
Hi, my name is Connie and I live in Swampskskate and
I'm very familiar with HenryBedard Jr.
He was a 15-year-old boy thatwas murdered next to the
railroad tracks in 1974.
And the only reason I'm sofamiliar with it was because I
graduated from high school in1974.
He was in high school in thenext town over I was in.
(15:03):
Marblehead.
He was in Sw school in the nexttown over.
I was in Marblehead, he was inSwampskate and we had a really
playful town-to-town footballrivalry, which still goes on.
He was beaten to death with abaseball bat.
He was 15 years old and thereare a group of people in swamps
(15:25):
get that swear to god.
They know who did it, but theyare so afraid to speak up and
one by one these people aredying.
They are getting way up therein age now and there's only one
or two people left from aparticular family, says they
(15:46):
know who did it.
His girlfriend in high schooldid a Facebook page.
She has never been the same andshe every year on the
anniversary of his death or hisbirthday would put something up
to remind people what happened.
(16:07):
The Swampskate Police, the LynnPolice, the Marblehead Police,
the state police inMassachusetts all lied there was
a baseball bat with aparticular carving that someone
did by hand on the tip of thebaseball bat.
It would almost be like whatthey call tagging today, like a
(16:31):
gang.
That's how these people knowwhose baseball bat that was.
It was snowing that night.
He left it behind.
He was just walking home withChristmas presents for his
family.
His girlfriend says she nowknows who did it and she has had
I don't know what you call itanymore.
(16:54):
They used to call it a nervousbreakdown.
I think she's taken it downbecause she can't get anywhere.
No one will listen to her.
She can't get the families tospeak.
They're afraid for their lives.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
So this person is still in actively in the area
they are actively in the area.
Speaker 9 (17:13):
They believe they were also high school students,
but a little older, and theyalso think that somebody kind of
hinted around that one of theperpetrators passed away already
.
Wow.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
So more than one person involved in this murder.
Speaker 9 (17:30):
That's what they, these people are.
Most of this family has moved.
They're so afraid I don't knowanything about who these people
are that did it or what theirfamily connection is.
They're everyone so afraid ofthem.
Of course you think of the mobor something like that.
I'm really glad to see that youhave that up there, because
(17:54):
this is a crime that can besolved.
People are still trying and thepolice gave up decades ago.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Unfortunately, your story is so similar to so many
other stories in that cases arelanguishing, unsolved and family
members and people associated.
People who have knowledge ofthe case often know who the
perpetrators are but forwhatever reason, they don't do
(18:27):
anything, they don't move pastknowing or having a little bit.
That's why we need to keepshaking the tree.
We need to keep shaking thetree so people don't.
First, don't forget that thesepeople were alive and lived and
loved and had dreams.
But secondly, we need to try toget people to talk, because
(18:49):
what happens is, you know, wealways talk about well, there'll
be a deathbed confession, notnecessarily.
But relationships change, rightPeople who were keeping
somebody secret.
Relationships change, marriagesbreak up, people get upset with
one another, whatever scenariothat looks like.
But things shift and we need toget people.
(19:13):
So the Charlene Roseman casethat we were talking about in
Somerville.
Somebody posted on a messageboard I know who is involved.
Should I snitch or should Imind my own business?
Nothing has come of that sense.
But people are sitting oninformation.
For whatever reason, they'renot talking.
(19:35):
So many years have gone bysince this crime by now.
We need to get those people totalk about it, to connect those
dots.
There could be things thatauthorities already know.
A little bit information couldadd to that, could connect the
(19:55):
dots.
You know, make a, make aconnection, however you want to
term it.
But I don't think anyinformation is not a big deal.
I think any information issomething.
Speaker 9 (20:10):
And also I see you have the Burl Atherton case in
Marblehead.
Did you read the book?
I did not.
I just finished the book.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
What did you think?
Speaker 9 (20:18):
Unbelievably fascinating.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Wow.
Speaker 9 (20:20):
They didn't come to any conclusions, but it's got a
little bit of tongue-in-cheek toit also, it was either.
Three men were seen going intoher house that day.
Oh my gosh, remember I guessbefore I was born, I think they
used to deliver ice and themilkman delivered milk so there
was an ice man, a milkman and afish man and the fish man I
(20:44):
think it was that was bringingfish over.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
This was like like early Uber Eats folks.
Speaker 9 (20:56):
He found her body supposedly oh my gosh and called
the police.
But those are the threesuspects Fish, ice and milk.
So, but get the book if you can.
Yeah, it's fantastic.
I forget the man's name whowrote it, but he's an old
marbleheader.
He remembers all of it.
It's called I don't know.
I'll look.
Yeah, we'll find it.
I'm trying to even think of hisname, but thank you.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Thank you for that information.
Those are things that I don'tknow, so if anything we can take
away from tonight is we all gotto hang out, we all got to meet
, we got to talk, I got to cry,I got to drink wine.
You guys had, I hope, a goodtime and I learned a little bit
more information about that casethat I had not known.
Oh, is there a Facebook?
(21:40):
Is there still a Facebook pageabout his case, henry?
Yeah, we'll try to find it yeah, yeah it's still with her.
She just doesn't really know howshe wants to process it all
these years later one heavy thanone.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Light your coverage on the station nightclub.
I was in college then in a lotof very sketchy buildings seeing
concerts and took my kids totheir first show this summer and
realized the first thing that Ido, and my friends now, is we
look, and not just one.
(22:22):
You know what I mean.
And I was at Lana Del Rey withmy daughter and I'm like, okay,
look, look over there, look overthere If they go high.
Okay, look Look over there,look over there.
If they go high, you go low.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
So, unfortunately, but it changed the culture
surrounding attending events forso many of us in a good way.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yeah it changed?
It really did.
I mean, look, chris introducedus and said here's how you get
out.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
That's because of the station fire and it's terrible
when they still do pyrotechnicseven at Fenway Park.
But either way, On a lighternote, I'm sure many of us listen
to a lot of podcastssurrounding this sort of genre.
It is so lovely to hear you saypeople's names Puglisi, Noons,
(23:08):
all these Massachusetts namesand words.
You hear other podcasters andthey really try, but it's really
hard to say Worcester.
They don't get it.
They always apologize.
It's really nice to hear it andbe like okay, great, we don't
have to explain to you what itis you're actually trying to say
.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
They try hard.
I appreciate it because, muchlike all of you in this room, I
listen to all.
I listen to so many podcastsand I do chuckle.
I mean because that's whatbeing a new englander is.
By the way, we're in on thejoke, we know.
I mean that's why we get calledall kinds of things by you know
the outsiders, because we'relike get the fuck out of the way
(23:50):
.
It's a rotary, come on, just go.
You know all of the things.
We are who we are, but like youknow what you said, it's like
we can pronounce.
We can say Gloucester, we cansay Haverhill.
Yeah, danvis, it's Danvisforever.
For me, even though there is anR in it, it's Danvis forever.
No, but thank you for that,because I love being a New
(24:15):
Englander.
I love being a mass hole.
I have a Massachusetts necklace.
For God's sake, I love us.
You know I love us.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
You know I love us.
Do you think you'll ever do apodcast on the Dr Richard Sharp
case?
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Oh, that's a good one , wenham, wenham, do you live?
Speaker 3 (24:41):
in Wenham.
Do you know the area I live inGloucester?
He was my doctor.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Oh my God, tell me about that.
Richard Sharp was adermatologist based out of
Wenham, I think, but he hadoffices in other places right,
he had a Gloucester office.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
I don't know where else, but I saw him in the
Gloucester office.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
And what kind of?
Was he a good doctor?
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I think he really knew his stuff, but he was a
weirdo and everyone said he wasa weirdo.
Yeah, every patient his stuffbut he was a weirdo and everyone
said he was a weirdo.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, so people who are not may not be aware of the
the Richard Sharp case.
Dr Richard Sharp, he was adermatologist.
He I think he was really one ofthe first doctors that started
doing like laser treatments andthings and he was going through
a divorce and he correct me atany point if I'm wrong.
(25:31):
He went to his soon-to-beex-wife's house.
She opened the door and he shother, killed her and then what
we now know as transgender Ibelieve he was called like a
cross-dresser or something likethat.
So he was going throughtransitions and there was a
divorce and a pending divorceand children and all sorts of
(25:53):
traumatic things going on and hedecided that he was they.
They were going to murder theirwife to take care of the
problem, right?
Didn't really work.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
They painted the picture of him in People
Magazine and all around.
Oh well, that's because he wasa cross-dresser, we knew he
wasn't really right, and thiswas like the late 90s.
While to a lot of us small townpeople that may have been
shocking.
That really masked the wholestory of many years of how he
(26:27):
had mistreated his wife and thenhow he had shot her point blank
.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
You know, at their home again, another case of what
I've been saying all night.
Somebody decided for her whatwas going to happen.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
I don't accept that, but it is the reality but the
story goes on and he runs awayto new hampshire and they find
him in a hotel room and he goesthrough trial and is convicted
and then he commits suicide inprison.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
So it's a really interesting story so he excuse
my language, he pussied out yeah, yeah he, he wimped out, he, he
couldn't even.
He put so many other peoplethrough so much pain, but he
couldn't handle it himself.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
It was said that he stuck a fork in his wife's
forehead in the earlier days.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
What a monster.
He abused her for a long timefor this and she finally took
the steps.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
He was a millionaire.
That's probably why because hethought she was going to take
all his money.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
And were you a patient of his leading up to
this?
Yes, yeah, but you didn'treally know any better.
You didn't know what was goingon.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
You had no idea.
Oh, no, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah, on the North Shore, we know what it's like to
sit.
My mother is from, my motherwas from she's still alive.
My mother was from Salem andshe talks about.
Oh yeah, we went to the Willowsand we put baby oil all over us
.
I was like, which I did when Iwas a teenager, but I got smart
SPF every single day, no matterwhat.
(28:21):
We slathered ourselves in babyoil too.
We do need good dermatologists.
Just while he's out, if youwould like me to, sure, sure, I
think it's on my.
I have a spreadsheet that hasprobably hundreds of cases of
(28:42):
varying knowledge.
Some are no one's ever heard ofand there's not a lot of
information versus ones thathave are covered a lot.
I started when I started doingthe podcast.
I started with cases thatreally resonated with me, like
Kimberly Cates in Montford inNew Hampshire and you know
Whitey Bulger was because I reada great book that friends of
(29:04):
mine wrote.
David Wedge is one of myfriends and Casey Sherman.
They wrote that that book abouthunting Whitey.
There's a case that I don't knowanybody I covered very early on
that.
I don't know if anybody's everheard.
It's about two teenage girls inSalem, new Hampshire, leanne
Milius and Kim Farah.
They were murdered and left inHedgehog Pond by Rockingham Mall
(29:26):
.
I don't know that anybody evercovered their case and that was
really impactful for me becauseI did an episode about that case
and I was a little snarky in itand I'm really proud of the
work that I've done.
But there's definitely thingsthat I've learned along the way.
But one of the girl's parentsemailed me after they heard it
(29:46):
and it was really incredible tohear they're like thank you for
what you said about our girls.
It was amazing.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
All right, what about you?
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Stacey's a true crime or two.
Okay, do you mind being on themic so I can pick you up?
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:16):
So I'm a true crime, love it.
I watch 2020s Dateline.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Me too.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
Netflix, all of it.
I don't listen to podcasts.
I'm going to start with yours,but it sounds like your cases
sometimes are solved.
You bring the story out, youtell their story of the victim
Sorry about your sister, I thinkit's you Very sorry about that,
but your unsolved case.
Do your podcasts ever bringanything to justice, like
(30:48):
anything come of that?
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Well, people reach out to me and say some really
strange things, sometimesSolving a case no.
But help Putting new attentionon the case.
Speaker 7 (31:03):
Some of these lame cases, like Cases de la Cruz,
these girls know I'm dying tobring that one to light.
There's a lot of rumors that goaround Lynn of what happened.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
What have you heard?
Speaker 7 (31:17):
That he was sold that you know all those things.
I think he was kidnapped, so Iwould love to see more light on
that and to bring more facts andemotions and rumors to it.
So I was wondering if yourpodcast, besides Solve Cases,
bring in light.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yeah, because we need to continue to talk about it.
We need to continue to talkabout it and put it in the
public forum, so to speak, andif more people like myself and
people who do what I do continueto talk about it, I really want
them to get it right or do thebest they can to use the facts.
That's the most important thing, because there's always
(31:57):
conjecture and speculation andthat hurts a case.
There are a lot of cases thatare really famous.
Somebody pointed out the Maura.
I have to say Maura Murray,because Julie's like her name
isn't Maura, it's Maura.
I'm like what's the difference?
Ok, maura, I know Julie andshe's a very good person.
She's a very good person and inMaura's case, she was the OG
(32:24):
true crime case, and when I saythat, I mean she was one of the
cases that was happening associal media was really blooming
and taking off and it changedthe way her family could look
for her right.
So she went missing.
They have really no informationand at the advent of like
Facebook and social media, itmade things so much easier.
(32:45):
Imagine losing someone yourloved one goes missing, your
sister goes missing, andpre-internet, you had to do we
still do flyers.
But you had to do everythinglike old school DIY.
You had to print flyers, youhad to knock on doors, you had
to go and ask questions DIY youhad to print flyers, you had to
knock on doors, you had to goand ask questions, which people
still do.
(33:06):
But social media helps spreadthe word on a much larger scale.
We talk about with missingpeople.
Right, a child goes missing.
I don't care if that kid iscalled a runaway, I don't care
if that person has a drugproblem.
They're somebody's kid kid andthey need attention.
I don't care if that person haswarrants.
(33:28):
We'll deal with the warrantslater.
They're missing, find them,because if there's foul play, we
need to stop whomever thatperson is.
That's hurting somebody else,because people don't stop at one
.
Generally speaking speaking,everything that we've learned
about true crime and we I I sayit, I don't want to be a
(33:50):
sanctimonious asshole I watchthe menendez brothers thing, I
watch monster by ryan murphy,who is a little bit exploitative
, and the families of thosepeople will tell you, but I I
watch that shit.
It helps spread the word.
A kid is missing.
We need to find them.
I don't care if they ran away.
(34:11):
Why do they run away.
They're just being a kid andthey were a shit.
Okay, possibly, but they mightbe in danger.
So social media has reallyhelped in that regard.
It's been an extraordinary help, particularly in a case like
Maura's, who's it's 20 years old.
You said that they have toleave now.
Yeah, oh good, mm-hmm, ifyou're on TikTok, julie has or
(34:35):
go to their websitemissingmauramurrayorg.
Julie has a TikTok where she'llanswer questions.
She gets many questions whereshe'll say you know the season
that Julie did, it's calledMeteor Pressure, the premiere
season.
There will be subsequentseasons but it'll be different
families talking about theirmissing loved one.
I know there's a Molly Bish onein the works.
(34:57):
For those of you who are aware,molly Bish is a teenage girl
who went missing in Warren, sortof like the central mass area.
I believe her sister's beenworking on a case, sorry,
working on a podcast about Molly, about her disappearance.
But Julie will say I get a lotof questions and somebody said,
(35:20):
after media pressure came out,after the first season came out,
have you gotten any information?
And she's like yeah, we'vegotten a lot of tips.
You know the nature of thisstuff is you have to be careful
because some people want toinject themselves into the case.
We know that happens.
We know that people want to putthemselves in it for whatever.
Who knows why they're unstable.
(35:42):
They want to say we've seen itin all kinds of cases.
John Benet Ramsey is a greatexample of that.
It's a horrible story.
It's unsolved.
There seems to be a great dealof evidence surrounding her case
.
Yet here we are all these yearslater, unsolved.
But cuckoo birds say I did it.
I mean they have to shake allthat out and they come to
(36:05):
realize that well, you didn't.
But they have to be verycareful and and you know what?
The Murray's, they've been atthis a long time.
They know, you know, they, they, they can identify when
something's you know a bananasthing.
For the most part, I meanthey're, they're, they're very
smart and they're, they're, youknow, they're very engaged.
The family is very engaged inthis.
(36:27):
20 years later, I think there'sa lot of families who may say I
don't know, I'm just tired, Idon't know, I don't want to keep
fighting this fight.
The Murrays will never stopfighting that fight.
They want to know, they believeit's foul play, foul play.
(36:54):
It's very bizarre, thesituation by itself, that her
family is as confounded as thepublic is.
They don't know why.
Thank you, bye, it's okay.
No, no, it's okay, thank you.
The family's confounded.
They don't know what was goingon.
They don't know why she, theydon't know her actions, what
they've discovered.
They don't know why she droveto New Hampshire.
I mean, they have ideas andthere's information.
They know that the publicdoesn't know.
(37:16):
But, like most of us, we haveno idea why she was driving to
New Hampshire that day, why shetold her professors that there
was a death in the family, thatthere wasn't.
There wasn't a death in thefamily.
Yeah, so there's the podcastabout that that Julie did and
she did an amazing job.
Somebody who's not a podcastershe doesn't do any of that stuff
(37:36):
but it meant a lot to her to doit.
She did the podcast and therewill be more as a result of the
success that Julie had with hersister's case, and other
families will get to tell theirstory, because let's talk about
that Everybody I talk about howwe borrowed these stories and we
should take very good care ofthem.
Julie got to tell her sister'sstory that everybody else has
(38:01):
been telling for 20 years.
That was a very powerful momentfor her.
I'm going to tell my sister'sstory.
I'm going to do it Becausepeople have stolen that story.
There are books written, thereare people in this true crime
space that have capitalized ontheir grief.
What do you think of?
We don't say that name becauseof all the reasons.
(38:23):
Yeah, it's tough, but thatfamily are soldiers and they've
had a lot of loss.
The Murrays, you know they lostAmora, disappeared.
Their mom passed away, theirsister passed away and they are
a pretty strong unit thatremains.
There's Julie, there's her dad,fred, there's their dad, fred.
(38:45):
There's their brother, curtis,who's great, really great guy
and he involves himself.
He's come out to what we did,state house events that he's
been at and, yeah, they'rereally, really, really focused
on.
I believe a lot of these otherfamilies feel like this is
solvable.
We just have to shake thatinformation out of wherever it
(39:10):
is that it's solvable.
People talk.
That's the thing People talk.
So maybe, to address yourquestion, talking about these
things will eventually, we hope,to the gods.
Talking about these things.
We'll hopefully get thatinformation, whether it's here,
here, here, and we can pull allof these together and get that
(39:31):
information.
That's going to tie some ofthese things that can lead to
what happens.
I don't look at myself as I'm aninvestigator.
I would never first knock onsomeone's door and be like I do
a podcast, tell me about theworst thing that happened to you
.
I would never do that because Iwould expect someone to slam
(39:51):
the door in my face.
But I do feel like if we talkabout it in a respectful way and
if there's ever interactionwith the family that they
recognize.
I just want to try to helpfigure out if I have this
platform that maybe I can talkabout it and that encourages
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another person, maybe like me,that has a platform to talk
about it.
Provided it's factual andempathetic, then that's the
right way to go.
For those of you who listen topodcasts, there's a podcast
called In your Own Backyardabout the Kristen Smart case in
California.
That is one of those podcastswhere I say that cracked a case
(40:37):
because Kristen Smart wentmissing and there was a lot of
information about what happenedto her, but they just couldn't
nail it down.
The host of that show not atrue crime detective, not even
an armchair detective, not evenkind of a detective.
(40:58):
I've seen the shirts.
They said I don't know.
I've got some skills.
I know how to edit audio.
I can work a mic.
I want to help.
So with the right intentionsChris is his first name.
With the right intentions, hewent to California.
I don't remember what hisdirect connection was to the
case.
I think he just gave a shit,which is like step one, give a
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shit, started shaking the treeand guess what?
That motherfucker is in prison.
It took a long time to get thatguy, but the guy that was a
suspect is in prison for hermurder.
His father got off.
The father, we believe, helpedcover up the murder cover up the
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murder In your Own Backyard.
He actually that podcasteractually helped solve her murder
.
That is a sick case too.
Anybody who's familiar with itI'll tell you a little bit that
I remember.
It's very detailed.
I remember somebody who renteda house that was owned by the
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family of the perpetrator nowwho is in prison.
They rented a house and theyheard in the morning really
early in the morning they heardthis alarm go off.
At the same time every day thisalarm would go off, like
somebody set an alarm to wake upand then eventually it stopped.
They believe that she wasburied on the property and her
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watch was going off.
Her alarm was set at the sametime every day, but then the
battery wore out and then theydid a dig on the site and they
didn't find anything.
The motherfuckers moved thebody.
They moved her somewhere else,we don't know.
(42:56):
Yeah, they did digs on theproperty and it sounds like I
don't know for sure because I'mnot a detective but it sounds
like the perpetrator's parentshelped cover up.
Not just the dad, also the momhelped cover up the case.
Could you imagine for a momentI could not.
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I could not imagine for amoment knowing that my son was
first capable of, and murderedsomeone and then helping them
cover it up?
Absolutely not, no, no.
But that makes me differentthan them because I would be
like no, you did this, you.
You have to pay for your crimeand the the horrible, horrible
(43:44):
pain that her family wentthrough all of these years.
They knew it was him.
They knew they connected a lotof the dots and they needed
people to talk to connect therest of the dots.
And it held up in court and hewas convicted and he is in
prison and he was very.
He was that kind of indignantperson like get off my get, get
(44:07):
out of here, leave me alone.
I didn't do anything, you'reharassing me.
The families actually had likelawsuits against each other
because they're like youmurdered my daughter, we know
you murdered my daughter, getout of here, you're harassing me
.
We know you murdered mydaughter and covered it up.
And we know you, we know you.
At least your dad knows.
So, yeah, victory there clearlywasn't just him, it was other
(44:29):
people involved too.
He went for it.
He, just he.
He had conviction.
He's like I'm gonna take my micand talk to people who will
talk to me.
I'm sure there's tons of peoplehe tried to talk to who
wouldn't talk to him.
A lot of people did.
All right guys, thank you forcoming.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Sean.
Speaker 8 (44:55):
Yeah, okay, I just wanted to add one thing to the
few people that have left.
There is some seriousunderestimation to the power of
social media and sharing thisword.
And right to your question, mysister's case happened a long
time ago.
Even the local news channelsdidn't have any footage from
court, the crime scene, anythinglike that.
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They had to dig it all back upfrom paper newspaper.
But thanks to Facebook, twitterand Angel, the shares that get
out there, whether you realizeit or not, put pressure on
people to do the right thing.
Down the road.
This year we went through theparole hearing and Angel helped
(45:41):
really put some legs back intothe story.
It had gone dormant for a longtime.
We hadn't had to worry about it.
Um, it created a huge mediapresence, not just social media
but even the news channels, andshe can attest that day at the
court at the parole hearing.
All the major networks werethere.
They were all buying for timejust to get the one quote they
(46:04):
needed to get.
But the people you don'trealize are feeling that
pressure are parole board right.
I know a couple of thempersonally.
I cannot talk to them becausethat would just be a mess, but
they watch the news, they havesocial media, they read the
newspapers, so that pressuregets applied.
So you guys just following thisinformation and any other
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podcasts or social media groupsthat you follow, share all that
information, especially themissing children that Angel's
doing.
Just share it.
Honor the victims, keep theirnames in everybody's mind.
Hopefully we'll get some goodout of it.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Amen.
Thank you, Sean.
Speaker 5 (46:50):
President Mop Avkabit would like to say something.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
No, thank you everyone for coming.
Speaker 7 (46:55):
Thank you, Angel, because it's just the fact that
you do this from a perspectiveof like a victim and advocate.
I think it is an amazing thingto keep these stories alive and
all of you are very interested.
I'm sitting here thinking howamazing this is, so thank you
for being here, thank you allfor coming and I hope we have
you again.
Thank, you.
(47:16):
Yeah, we hope to have you back.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
I'd love to come back and I'd love to if there's any
stories, if there are any casesyou want me to look at that.
Maybe I'm not, I don't know.
There are a lot of things Idon't know and I'm happy to say
there are cases that I didn'tknow about, including Marsh's
case at the top.
Just shoot me an email and if Ihave questions, I'll ask you,
(47:40):
and if you know people who haveinformation, I'll reach out to
them.
I'm happy, you know.
Whatever, whatever you know, ifyou think of something tomorrow
, you know, if you think ofsomething about the Sharp case
or there's another case thatcomes up, or maybe a follow up
to something I've already done,let me know.
I'm happy to Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
Thank you again.
Speaker 7 (48:00):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Thank you.
Thank you everyone for youramazing questions and comments
and feedback and thank you tothe team at off cabot for taking
really good care of us andthank you, chris, for set design
.
My name is angel wood.
This is crime of the truestkind.
Massachusetts and new engEngland crime stories, regional
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history, advocacy, focused and alittle snark, because, well,
that's who I am and I'm notgoing to change.
I advocate for families.
I advocate for treating thesestories with care.
I advocate for sharingcompassion with other people and
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for other people.
More live shows are coming.
Tell me where you want me to goCrimeofthetruestkindcom.
Everything is there.
How to support the show onPatreon Drop a tip in the jar,
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Take care of one another andlock your goddamn doors.
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