October 9, 2024 • 41 mins
In part two, we continue our conversation with Charline's sister, Rose, as we look closely at the events surrounding her 2009 murder in Somerville, Mass, and the suspicion among people known to her. We look at whether there was a plot to lure Charline to a familiar location under the guise of a great deal on a nice car, and rob her of the money she had for the purchase.
Anyone with information about Charline Rosemond’s murder, please call the Middlesex District Attorney’s Office at 781-897-6600.
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Boston Globe Cold Case Files story about Charline by Emily Sweeney
Somerville, the bustling city of arts and culture that borders Boston is a safe place to be. And the fact that Charline Rosemond was murdered, found in Union Square behind the Mid Nite Convenience Store, which is still there to this day, tells me a few things. We've established Charline was offered a car that was for sale at a crazy great deal.
Let's add it up:
A Lexus with a reported value around $6,000 was offered to Charline for the sum of $4,000, money Charline had and had quick access to, the sum of money Charline had with her when she left her parents' house in Everett for the last time on April 6, 2009. Charline knew the people who made her this too-good-to-be-true offer.
The sum of money that was not in her pocketbook when she was found in her dad's Honda six days after she went missing. The car was found in a parking lot in a very busy area of the city. Was she there the whole time?
An anonymous post about "should I snitch or mind my own business" indicates that people aren't being quiet about this crime. A crime that cannot be the only crime committed by whoever set Charline up to rob her.
A local man was arrested and charged with perjury in the weeks after Charline's murder.
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Episode Transcript
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Anngelle Wood (00:00):
Well, hello, my name is Anngelle Wood and this
is Crime of the Truest Kind.
(00:23):
My name is Anngelle Wood.
This is Crime of the TruestKind - Massachusetts and New
England crime stories.
I talk about history from theregion.
There is always at least onesnoring dog present and the show
is always advocacy- focused.
What does that mean?
We keep the victim at thecenter of all of it as the main
(00:45):
part of the story.
It's very easy for the crimevictim and their families to get
lost in all of the noise.
You see it every day when theperpetrators if we know who they
are the perpetrator, as we haveseen ends up getting top
(01:05):
billing in the story of thisperson's life.
Now it's been 15 years sinceCharline Rosemond was killed, 15
years of her family waiting andhoping that something will
happen, that there will actuallybe a case where true justice
(01:26):
can be done.
We launched the brand newFacebook page, Justice for
Charline Rosemond.
Why that name?
For a couple of reasons.
One, it's what Charline'sfamily wanted, and there is a
direct contact email address atthe page Justice for Charline
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Rosemond@ gmail.
com, where we want to generatesome information, new tips, new
leads, because we know peopleout there, we know, you know,
and we know that some people aresitting on information they're
not sure if they should share ornot.
I'm here to tell you share it,drop a dime, leave an anonymous
(02:19):
message, anything related toCharlene's case, anything that
is in the public sphere, likethe contact information for the
Middlesex County DistrictAttorney's Office and the state
police who are charged with hercase.
The Somerville PD is alsolisted as a contact for
(02:41):
information, though 15 yearsremoved.
We learned that theinvestigator who had been
working on Charlene's case hasretired but still keeps a vested
interest in information that'scoming in.
We need information.
Her family deserves information.
If you know something, pleaseshare it.
(03:01):
The last 15 years has beenincredibly painful for
Charline's family.
Please help us.
The number for the MiddlesexCounty DA's office 781-897-6600.
And I have a link from theSomerville Police Department
where you can share anonymoustips.
(03:22):
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Special thanks our honoraryexecutive producer, Lisa
McColgan.
We are in it, season four.
We celebrate with a live showthis Thursday night, october
10th.
If you're in the Massachusettsvicinity there is a Tom.
I would have said, if you arewithin the sound of my voice, I
did radio for a long time butgiven the fact that this is a
podcast, being within the soundof my voice is international.
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And to answer some of thosequestions here, some of those
questions like are you the samethat was on WFNX?
Yep, do you know anotherAnngelle?
Are you the Anngelle that hoststhat show?
Boston Emissions Uh-huh, thoseare among the questions I got
just this week.
Do you have a monster in yourstudio or do you just have a
(04:37):
bunch of bulldogs?
Yeah, that too, they are alittle noise-making monster bear
machines.
So, thursday night live liveshow, october 10th Off Cabot in
Beverly, Massachusetts.
We're talking North Shore crimecases, that's, Salem, Peabody
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There are, unfortunately, anumber of things to cover and
we'll do as much as we have timefor we are planning on
recording it for future airing.
This is episode 72.
We continue our conversationwith Rose, sister of Charline
Rosemond, in Somerville,Massachusetts, where Charline
(05:22):
was found 15 years ago.
This is part two about theunsolved murder of Charline
Rosemond.
It happened in 2009.
Please do go back and listen tothe previous episode, episode
(05:48):
71.
It will provide context andhelp you better understand what
you're going to hear.
In this episode I talked aboutmany fun facts about the city of
Somerville.
It is home to the world famousmarshmallow cream known as fluff
.
There's that old saying youcan't throw a rock without
hitting somebody, for in thiscase, for being an artist.
(06:10):
New Alliance is based inSomerville, artists, musicians,
creators any day of the week youcan walk in and see amazing art
on the walls, like the work ofAlvan Long, a tremendously
talented artist who's beenaround the Boston music scene
for decades.
A nd not too terribly far awayfrom New Alliance gallery is
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Petsi Pies.
Petsi Pies has the best pies inthe greater Boston area and
beyond.
Somerville, a very populatedcity right next to Boston and
pretty safe.
And the fact that CharlineRosemond was murdered and found
there in Union Square behind theMid Nite Convenience Store,
(06:54):
which is still there to this day, says a couple of things to me.
We've established Charline wastold there was a car for sale at
a pretty crazy great deal.
I add all these things up, itwas a Lexus valued at about
$6,000, and offered to her forthe sum of $4,000.
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$4,000 was the sum of moneyCharlene had with her when she
left her parents' house inEverett for the last time.
Now, after speaking withCharline's sister, Rose,
Charline knew the people whomade her this
too-good-to-be-true offer.
Now, in saying that I don't meanto suggest in any way that
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Charline's responsible for whathappened to her.
It indicates that she knew andtrusted these people and where
Charline would be found six daysafter she went missing.
Charline was familiar with thatarea.
It came to light later on thatCharline and some friends knew
that location very well, werefamiliar with that area and had
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gone there.
In fact one friend of Charlineeven said that they had hung out
there.
At CrimeOfTheTruestKind.
com on the episodes page, amongthe photos in the photo gallery,
I recreated a map of that areain Union Square.
The convenience store is there,located on Somerville Ave.
(08:19):
The apartment building islocated off Webster Ave and the
lot is in the middle whereCharline was found.
Now it does pose a lot ofquestions for me and I know it
does for you.
Six days Charline was in thatcar in that small parking lot in
(08:44):
a very populated area of thecity.
It's upsetting to know thatCharline knew the people that
did this to her.
She trusted them.
She left her house with $4,000in cash in her pocketbook,
something that upset her mother.
When she found out what she hadplanned for that day, I asked
her sister Rose was there even acar for sale, or was this a
(09:07):
twisted plot to get Charlinesomewhere to take advantage and
steal her hard-earned money?
For those of us who have beentrue crime consumers over the
years, and there are a lot ofus, we know that this is a
possible scenario.
It is a plausible story.
In this case it doesn't bringCharline back, but it gives a
(09:32):
little bit of insight about thisoperation.
Charline went missing on April6th.
Several reports list April 7thas the day that Charline went
missing.
I confirmed my timeline withher sister.
Charline was missing for sixdays, found in Somerville behind
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the Mid Nite Convenience onMonday, April 13th.
Charlene did not come home fromwork on April 6th, the day she
had planned to go look at thiscar, and the next day, when she
had not returned home, worry setin for her family, completely
(10:12):
out of character for her.
They needed to find help.
They didn't know what to do.
Who does in this situation?
They would eventually go to theEverett Police Department, the
town that they lived in, toreport her missing.
Everett Police Department didnot take a missing person's
report saying Charline was 23and maybe she wanted to go away.
(10:33):
Stop doing that.
Please stop doing that.
This family knew it was out ofcharacter for their daughter and
sister to not come home.
They knew something was wrongand sister to not come home.
They knew something was wrong.
The only person that offered anykind of help to the Rosemond
family when Charline was missingwas a local reporter named
(10:56):
Todd Kazakiewich of WCVB Channel5 television in Boston.
He is still with the station.
I was not able to find hisreporting from 15 years ag o,
but once Charline was found inher dad's car behind that
convenience store, reporterscame out of the woodwork to talk
to her family.
Where were they when she wasmissing for six days, when they
(11:21):
were reaching out to anybodythey could think of for help of
for help?
?
? since, as Charline's casegoes unsolved?
One mainstay of New Englandunsolved cases is Bob Ward of
Boston 25 News.
Bob Ward really has been asoldier when it comes to
families of victims and unsolvedcrime.
(11:41):
Bob Ward has been supportingher family over these years and
I have to give thanks to EmilySweeney of the Boston Globe Cold
Case Files for featuringCharlene's story after our show
at Faces in Malden a few monthsago.
Emily is the one who put Roseand I in touch.
Included in Emily's reportingis information about a post that
(12:04):
was found after Charlene'smurder.
Less than a year after Charlenewas killed, someone posted on an
online chat forum.
It appeared on LipstickAlley.
com on February 16th 2010.
An anonymous user says "shouldI snitch or mind my own business
(12:25):
Was anonymous taking thetemperature?
Anonymous poster said they hadheard that the person who killed
Charline was someone they knewand that they had gone to school
with.
Were they looking for advice asto whether they should go to
the cops with the informationthat they had as to whether they
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should go to the cops with theinformation that they had?
It's possible they put thatinformation up there to have
other people agree with themthat they should shut up and not
snitch, or they were mining forinformation about Charline's
case.
It is possible that that personwho asked "should I snitch or
mind my own business had nointention on going to the police
in the first place.
Were they seeking to beabsolved, to clear their own
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conscience of something they mayknow about the murder of a
23-year-old woman?
Fourteen and a half years afterthat anonymous post was left at
LipstickAlleycom, not much hashappened with Charline's case.
In May of 2009, it was reportedthat a 21-year-old man from
Somerville named Dokens Josephwas arrested and charged with
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two counts of perjury inconnection with Charline's
murder.
He had allegedly lied to agrand jury investigating her
death.
Gerry Leone, the Middlesex DAat the time, said we allege that
this defendant has usefulinformation regarding our
investigation into the murder ofCharline Rosemond, yet chose to
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knowingly provide falseinformation under oath.
We will continue to prosecutethose who willfully choose to
lie under oath or obstruct ourinvestigation into this homicide
.
That 21-year-old man fromSomerville was ordered held on
$1,000 cash bail.
Despite learning that that hewas implicated in Charlene's
(14:22):
murder.
Nothing has come from it.
Almost a year after Charline'smurder, that post appeared on
LipstickAlley.
com.
That anonymous poster "should Isnitch or mind my own business?
Nothing has come from that.
I don't think anonymous posterwas looking for advice from that
(14:46):
.
I don't think Anonymous Posterwas looking for advice.
Perhaps they were having a bitof a struggle of conscience,
because I believe if that persontruly wanted to help Charlene's
case, if that person truly hadinformation that could help ease
the pain of the Rosemond family, jesus Christ, they should have
done something with it.
And you still can.
There is no statute oflimitations on murder.
(15:11):
This is exactly why I want togenerate new visibility for
Charlene's case.
That is exactly why I asked herfamily if they approved setting
up a Justice for CharleneRoseman page on Facebook.
(15:31):
We know people know things.
We've got to shake the tree andwe've got to get these people
to talk.
We've got to get these peopleto say what they know.
Thank you to the Rosemonds andthank you to her sister, rose,
who really has been shoulderingthis burden as the spokesperson
(15:56):
for the family.
In a moment I continue myconversation with Rose Rosemond,
charlene's younger sister bytwo years.
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Rose Rosemond (17:05):
If I'm not mistaken, I think she had a
picture of a car.
However, I'm not gonna liethese folks.
From what I heard, one of them,I think, told someone and this
is, of course, after the fact isthings that I've been hearing
one of them told someone oh, I'mabout to come up on some money
prior to my sister beingmurdered and shortly after my
sister was murdered, this personhad money that they didn't have
before.
I don't know if the Lexus was athing or if it was a decoy.
(17:28):
I mean you, anybody could takea screenshot on a car and say,
oh, of course people can wonderwhy did she have $4,000, et
cetera.
But if you're a legit person,mind you like my sister's a
straight up person I go.
I like the car.
There's no, oh, let me comeback tomorrow.
It's like I want to secure thevehicle.
Here's the money.
If you're my friend and I tellyou I'm going to bring you to
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get a car for $4,000 cash,you're going to know I
physically have $4,000 cash,because you've already told me
the price.
You know that it's cash, soit's not a secret.
It's like the easiest way for,unfortunately, a shady person
that you thought was your friendto plot on you, unbeknownst to
you.
But it's not like at the time,it's not a real dealership where
(18:11):
you're like, oh, I'm just goingto bring a card, I'm going to
put my down payment.
No, you have the cash.
I think the car was supposed tobe $6,000, but he said, oh, my
friend's going to give you adeal for four, meaning you know
exactly how much money I have,because you're the one telling
me the amount.
Anngelle Wood (18:25):
Do you have any idea where these people are now?
Are they around?
Rose Rosemond (18:30):
I think I've heard one lives out of state and
the other one is actually local.
I don't know exactly where, butnot far from the Somerville,
medford, malden area.
I think I've seen him onceyears ago, it's been about 10
years the person that gotcharged with perjury when he was
let out of prison.
I did run into him one timewhere I was going to the grocery
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store and it was a parking lot.
He saw me and I saw him andonce he saw me he ran store and
it was a parking lot.
He saw me and I saw him andonce he saw me he ran.
I don't know if it was just himhaving to accept the fact that
he took on this charge.
He knows these things, that hemay not have necessarily played
a part physically, but heprovided an alibi, but it was a
sheer shock, fear in his face.
(19:13):
Why are you scared of me?
Why are you scared of me?
If it's the fact that you haveto face reality of what you did,
whether or not you wereinvolved, but you provided an
alibi for people that murderedmy sister, I should be afraid of
you.
Why are you afraid of me?
But I think it's probably amatter of like having to face
reality and just didn't expectto see me and other than that, I
haven't seen any of thesepeople.
Anngelle Wood (19:39):
Has your family had any contact with a private
investigator or an attorney thatmaybe can help you navigate
some of these things over theyears?
I mean outside of the DA'soffice, we've kind of just
pretty much continued to sharethe news and the articles
regarding my sister a privateinvestigator.
We haven't explored the thingabout it is and I don't know how
it sounds, but it's again.
(19:59):
I don't know how these thingswork, but I do know that the
police know all the players.
So get a private investigatorfor something that's already
known to the police.
But they're just trying to putthe pieces together.
I feel like it's one thing ifyou didn't have a direction, and
it's like we need one way to go, especially with this person
being charged with perjurydirection and it's like we need
one way to go, especially withthis person being charged with
perjury.
(20:19):
That goes to show, even if wehad heard rumors, now it's
turned from a rumor to a fact,because this person got charged
in the court of law forproviding alibis and certain
details were said there.
For these folks Now it's nolonger a question, it's like a
fact that these people areinvolved.
So I don't know what a privateinvestigator could find that we,
the police, don't already know.
(20:41):
I think it's a matter of,unfortunately, people speaking
out.
I don't know how and my dadjust said this like an hour ago
we don't know how this case hasgone on 15 years.
When the thing happened wheremy sister was murdered, the
police are like this is verysolvable, this is going to be
solved, like this is not.
(21:02):
And we're like how are we, 15years in, you guys convinced us
that you guys were going to beable to put all the pieces
together.
You know the players.
This person got charged withperjury and 15 years later,
crickets like everyone's likewell, yeah, we don't have what
we need.
It's like are you going to lookto get it?
And it's like I pretty muchhave to continue to just fight
for justice for my family and Iunderstand like new cases come
about.
More people get murdered, theypush her file to the back, but
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this is still a pain andsomething that my family will
never get over.
I don't care if it's 30 years,I don't care if it's 40 years.
We're always going to fight forjustice for her.
I just my the justice while myparents are here.
I would hate it.
I've seen stories and caseswhere people they find out 40
(21:45):
years later and the parents arealready deceased because they're
elderly and justice is stilljustice, but I would love for it
to happen while my parents arehere to see it.
What is the name of the detective the retired
detective and were they fromSomerville or Everett Police?
Rose Rosemond (22:00):
Somerville, oh, everett Police.
They never.
I've never spoken to anyone inthat police station, aside from
that initial time we went thereand we couldn't get them to file
the police report.
But everything's strictly beenSomerville and the DA's office.
Anngelle Wood (22:14):
Do you feel comfortable sharing that retired
Somerville detective's name?
Rose Rosemond (22:18):
I'm not sure how I feel about sharing his name
just because you know we stilldo.
Occasionally he does check inand you know he is retired and
he knows a lot about the caseand he's definitely determined
to like continue to help us asmuch as he can, even as he's
retired.
If he was to hear something I'msure he would get right back on
it.
So for that I guess I wouldn'tsay his name, just because he is
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still trying to help us out,even while in the background.
People know there's alwayssomeone that knows very slim
chance.
Let's say the world is sleeping, no one sees, but even then
there's always a night owl.
Someone could have peeked outtheir windows.
People know, and it sucksbecause I understand to a
certain extent.
People are like I don't want toget involved, I don't know what
(23:02):
they're going to do to me.
Whole families are being wipedout, eventually dying one by one
from cases that are so long ago.
Meanwhile someone has thatinformation in their heart that
they never shared that we're notgoing to get our family members
back.
But that one thing to even getjustice while on earth
eventually that would sufficefor a family because they know
they can't get their relativeback.
(23:23):
I just wish more people wouldthink outside of just like oh I
want to mind my business, or Idon't want to snitch, and it's
this whole I don't want tosnitch thing.
And it's like families arehurting, like, and not only that
, you're allowing these peopleto stay out here More times than
not.
If someone kills once, they'regoing to kill again, especially
if they feel like they got awayfor doing it.
(23:44):
So not only are youcontinuously allowing this
family to hurt, but you're alsoallowing a murderer to roam free
.
It's going to be the nextperson in the next family and
the next person in the nextfamily, and if we can get them
behind bars sooner rather thanlater, we can eliminate a lot of
the things happening whereother families don't have to
suffer.
It's a tough thing.
(24:04):
It's unfortunate for all thesefamilies because, like you said,
even that family in NewHampshire they know they have an
idea exactly who did it.
Someone out there knows.
But again, they're living theirlittle life.
I'm going to mind my business,not say anything.
Meanwhile, the family is dyinginside every day because nothing
has been done about their childbeing murdered.
It's unfortunate.
Anngelle Wood (24:22):
There are some similarities in Charline's case
and the case of Trish Haynesfrom New Hampshire.
What evidence did they collectfrom the car when Charline was
found that you are aware of?
Rose Rosemond (24:35):
So I know, till this day I feel like they
collected my sister's purse, hercell phone.
I will say that there was nomoney found in the purse.
So if you left with the moneyand then you don't have the
money and the money is not inthe house, somebody got the
money, which again furtherallows us to prove that she was
robbed because there was nomoney.
(24:55):
It's not like oh well, we foundthe money at home and found out
that she actually didn't takeit with her.
No, she did take it with herand the police found her purse
and there was no money.
Aside from that, I can say thecar was my dad's car.
He had it for years.
They told me and my family mydad's fingerprints weren't even
found on the car.
It was his car.
They couldn't even find mydad's fingerprints, further
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proving they had more thanenough time.
Her car might've been there fora while, they had time to wipe
it down, et cetera.
This is not something that justtook place real quick, mind you
.
She was missing for six days.
I don't know how many timesthey went back to do et cetera,
et cetera.
My dad was stunned.
What do you mean?
You can't find my fingerprints.
.
Anngelle Wood (25:40):
So calculated.
all the flags are raised, it'slike this.
We can put the pieces together.
It sounds like this may nothave been the first time.
These perpetrators did this.
Right, because they cleanedthat car.
There had to have been some,some evidence inside that car,
because you do believe thatCharlene was shot in the car and
they made her drive there,correct?
Rose Rosemond (26:00):
And from what I've told, it's an area.
A mutual friend of Charlene andthose folks that said, oh yeah,
sometimes we would like hangout back there or we'd meet back
there.
So I didn't know that because Inever hung out back there.
But that further proves thatthis is somewhere you all would
frequent, and this includes thefolks being accused.
This is, it's not like.
It's like oh, we've never gonethere.
(26:23):
A mutual friend was like no, me, charlene and these folks have
actually met behind there before.
Again, all these things areleading back to the same people
Throughout the years 15 years.
I have never heard any otherstory.
I've heard several stories.
People have DM'd me, peoplehave messaged me.
I've never heard anythingoutside of the folks that are
currently accused that thepolice already have an idea on
who did and what did.
How could 15 year go by?
(26:44):
And I haven't heard any othercrazy stories.
It's the same people everysingle time, no matter who the
person is that randomly says it.
Anngelle Wood (26:52):
How can we, you know, me, the gene ral public
how can we support you andfamilies that are going through
what you are going?
How can we be better at?
Rose Rosemond (27:02):
helping with social media being as powerful
as it is and just the Internetin general something as small as
a share or a like, or justproviding this type of I don't
want to call it content, becauseit's not like oh, we created
content.
Unfortunately, this is reallife.
However, sharing this amongstfolks again, how this story got
(27:24):
to you, when it got to you knowthe Boston Globe, it got to
Emily, et cetera it's based onsomeone that shared that share,
that share, that eventually itgot to someone that got to
someone.
I feel like for myself andother families continuously
sharing these stories there, oneday someone will be like oh my
God, I remember that and I knowthis, but I never thought that
this went with that, Because somany years go by and,
(27:47):
unfortunately, murders happenquite often.
So what happens is your storygets pushed to the side.
We got a new story, got a newgirl murdered, and then her
story gets pushed to the sideTwo years later, there's and
it's like well, that was 15years ago, we even forgot about
it.
There's a new murder this weekand that's the hottest thing on,
and unfortunately, it's like.
I understand that these are notgoing to stop.
However, if we continue toshare the stories of other
(28:07):
families.
It just comes down to someoneknowing something that they
didn't know would help solve acase, but they now have heard
the story where they could say,oh my God, in 2009, I lived in
Somerville and I lived in thatbuilding and I did hear
something, but I never knew thatthis was the case.
Or to the point where we shareit so much that someone that
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knew something that has beencontemplating for years should I
say something?
Should I not?
Maybe that one post will belike you know what.
Let me finally get this off mychest.
I feel like there's so littleyou can do, but at the same time
, I feel like sharing is soimportant, despite how long ago
the story was told, and as longas we keep the story alive, I
think that does a lot for thefamily.
(28:50):
I can't really think ofanything else that I feel like
would suffice.
I have no problem talking aboutmy sister's story.
Some days, I do feel like it'sharder than others.
I'm not going to lie.
I do feel like you know.
My parents and I are discouraged.
We've been doing this for 15years.
Bob Ward, who's amazing.
He did a anniversary, I think,five years in 10 years in we did
(29:12):
the news he would come to myhouse and we're appreciative,
and then, like I don't know.
It's like me and my family havehopes, like maybe something
will come about and it's likenope, another year nothing.
It's so discouraging.
But if people continue to keeplike Charlene alive in her story
, I just pray that one daysomeone will admit to it or
someone will just be able toprovide details that we didn't
(29:33):
have that can now allow us toput pieces together.
Anngelle Wood (29:36):
We didn't have.
That can now allow us to putpieces together.
There have been sites dedicatedto Charline's case in the past.
Rose Rosemond (29:41):
Right Website, facebook I used to have it, but
throughout the years it's takena toll on me.
Now I have to mentally prepareand take like we're doing this
now.
I had to prepare for it.
Okay, I'm going to talk aboutit because it's something that
has taken a toll on me.
I've felt guilt throughout theyears for not solving it.
(30:02):
I think, oh, my God, you juststart thinking is she
disappointed in me that Ihaven't been able to solve her
case?
Is it my job per se?
No, the detectives have to helpme, help them.
But I felt guilty about thatFor so long.
It took a toll on me that Istopped running the page and a
lot of times I felt like I don'tknow.
People were there more so tolurk and see what I have again,
(30:23):
because I went to school inSomerville.
She went to school inSomerville.
Half the community inSomerville I still kind of talk
to.
I feel like a lot of peopleknow.
So I started to get paranoid.
I don't know who's here foractual support and who's here to
find out how much I know, torun back and tell me.
It just became too much that Istopped.
I do share, like on my personalpage, or if articles are written
(30:45):
I'll share, but I kind ofclosed out the pages that I had,
for I used to have a Facebookpage, a memorial site, but it
just got.
It got too much for me tohandle and it and it would lead
me into depression because it'slike a reality Every time you
post or every time someone posts.
It's just a reality that thisis your real life.
Your sister is not coming back.
She was murdered.
So now I still continue toshare, but I have to do it in
(31:08):
doses, in.
I continue to share everyarticle or anything that people
I've had several podcasts do,podcasts about my sister's case.
I do continue to share thestories, but me running stuff I
don't think I can mentally do itat this time.
I think it was just taking toomuch of a toll on me,
(31:29):
unfortunately.
Anngelle Wood (31:31):
Completely understood.
I get it.
I mean that's why I wanted tovolunteer to help you and
support you in that way, and Iwould other too.
I mean it's important thatfamilies like yours know that
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you're not alone.
I know that you often feel likeyou're out on an island and
nobody understands what you'regoing through, or that your
sister's just some characterlike on television.
She's not.
She's a real human being thatlived and breathed and loved,
and someone took her.
People took her from yourfamily, and I plan on continuing
(32:23):
our correspondence because Ifeel very strongly about the
fact that we cannot forget abouther case, about her and
everything that you've beenthrough your family.
Rose Rosemond (32:34):
Thank you.
No, thank you.
I appreciate that.
I definitely do.
Anngelle Wood (32:37):
You were eight months pregnant when your sister
passed away.
Tell me about that baby.
Rose Rosemond (32:44):
Well, now I have a boy.
He's a teenager now, soobviously it's been a long time.
You know, he's definitely heardabout my sister.
He he reminds me of her in someways.
He definitely brought so muchjoy to my family, considering
the loss.
He reminds me of her in someways.
He definitely brought so muchjoy to my family, considering
the loss.
I you know, unfortunately it'slike he came at the perfect time
because we were hurting so much, but he allowed us to actually
stay a tight knit family.
(33:05):
You know, babies bring peopletogether, but he's awesome and I
keep pictures of my sister allover the place.
So he knows Charlie, he knowsthe name.
He has seen, like you know,unfortunately, he's seen the
years, like what the damage hasdone to my parents and family,
because I've told him about itwhere he notices like how we are
.
You know how we are a littleparanoid about certain
(33:28):
situations because we only knowof what happened to our family,
but overall he's definitelyawesome.
I'm just I'm.
He came at the right time.
I don't know where I would beif he wasn't here.
Anngelle Wood (33:38):
And your parents are happy grandparents.
Rose Rosemond (33:39):
Yes, they are.
Anngelle Wood (33:41):
How are they doing?
How are your parents doing?
Are they still in the area?
Rose Rosemond (33:44):
Yeah, they're still in the area.
Every day is a struggle, likethe other day.
You know my mom, you knowthings don't change, but the
other day my mom and I weretalking and she well, actually
we weren't talking, she calledme randomly and she was crying.
It's to the point where when mymom calls me and she's crying,
I don't have to ask her whyshe's crying.
I know it's another momentwhere it's just reality's
(34:07):
hitting, which is what the casewas.
She called me and she was justcrying.
She didn't have to say anythingand of course I just comforted
her and we just I just allowedher to cry and she's's like I
can't believe it.
It's 15 years.
My daughter, where would I,where would she be if she was
still here?
What would she be accomplishing?
And then we still have thosetimes.
My dad he tries not to talkabout it much because it's too
(34:28):
painful, but every now and thenwe have the conversations where
we talk about it.
So it's just like a painful,painful thing.
That is not necessarily theelephant in the room with my
family, but even as we sittogether in the living room,
it's like we always know thatsomeone is missing, like it's
always someone's missing.
We don't say it, but everyonefeels it, so it's just a matter
(34:51):
of day by day, but they aredefinitely determined to get
justice for my sister.
They aren't as vocal as I amand I understand the loss of a
sister Now that I'm a mom.
I can't imagine the loss of achild, so I can only imagine the
pain that they're experiencing.
But I do my best to speak forthe family and for myself and
(35:12):
advocate and, you know, continueto seek justice for all of us.
Anngelle Wood (35:15):
And I know this is a lot of emotional labor and
there might be something thatyou say with me today that when
you think about it, you don'twant to be included in this, and
I understand and you just saythe word.
Rose Rosemond (35:31):
The thing about the no fingerprints.
I've never said that before,but I'm fine.
I mean, I've said the samething for 15 years.
At some point I have to saysomething different.
I don't know if that's going tomake a difference, but it's
like I've said the same story.
You look at Bob Ward'sinterviews.
You check out.
I've said the same thingbecause I didn't know how much I
should or shouldn't put out,which is still where I am.
What do they say?
Doing the same thing over andover.
(35:53):
I'm not getting anywhere.
So maybe if, little by little,maybe I do say something that
wouldn't necessarily jeopardizethe case, but that hasn't been
heard before.
An example for the fingerprintsI've never said that In any
article.
Nothing, you see, you'll everhear that.
So that's the only new thing Ithink I said today.
But I'm fine with everything.
I'm always fine to be the face.
(36:13):
I definitely will participatein anything you have going on.
I could definitely be the facethat I've been for my family.
So thank you for everything.
A lot of people it's oldstories to them and you don't
even have to do this and you'redoing this out of the kindness
of your heart.
So we appreciate you wanting toshare her story.
Anngelle Wood (36:32):
Well, thank you, and I'm here, I'm not going away
.
You will be hearing from me,thank you.
My thanks to Rose and theRosemond family.
(36:55):
There's a lot of reasons why Ido this, but if listening to
what Charlene's family has gonethrough for the last 15 years
isn't any indicator as to whythings like this need to be done
, I have no other words for you.
(37:16):
Charlene's case has beenunsolved for 15 years.
We're working to change that.
So talk about Charlene's case.
Share this and other podcastsabout Charlene's story.
If you're on Facebook like theJustice for Charlene Rosemond
(37:37):
Facebook page, charlene's nameis spelled C-H-A-R-L-E-N-E.
Charlene, you know we're at thetail end of 2024.
And in 2025, the work with theMassachusetts Missing and
(38:05):
Murdered Advocacy Coalition isgoing to ramp up considerably,
because it's not about podcasts.
It's about a community ofadvocates who have worked in
different sectors and we allcome together with the mission
of advocacy for the families ofmissing and murdered in
(38:26):
Massachusetts.
Much more to come on that inthe months ahead.
I hope you can come out those ofyou who are local to the
Massachusetts area I hope youcan come out to Off Cabot on
Thursday night Live show.
It's a meetup of sorts.
Information about everythingshow related
(38:48):
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You can follow online at crimeof the truest kinds on all the
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going to call it Twitter, tiktok, youtube, livejournal, myspace,
(39:08):
aol Instant Messenger All right, I'm going off the rails.
Aol Instant Messenger All right, I'm going off the rails.
I released these two episodesback to back for Charlene's case
and then we return in two weekswith a very special
collaboration episode.
Follow at Crime of the TruestKinds to learn more about that.
(39:30):
Here's a teaser.
Have you heard of Already Gone,the podcast?
Thank you for listening.
My name is Angelle Wood.
This is Crime of the TruestKinds, massachusetts and New
England crime.
A little bit of history.
I wasn't so snarky today andalways advocacy focused.
(39:51):
I am going to jump.
My dogs are about to yell at meto give them treats.
I'm not kidding, that's notmade up.
They have temper tantrums whenit's meal time and snack time.
I mean, don't we all?
I must be going?
Locky God in doors.
Lockheed Goddard in Bores.
We'll be you next time.
Well, hello, my name is Anngelle Wood and this
is Crime of the Truest Kind.
(00:23):
My name is Anngelle Wood.
This is Crime of the TruestKind - Massachusetts and New
England crime stories.
I talk about history from theregion.
There is always at least onesnoring dog present and the show
is always advocacy- focused.
What does that mean?
We keep the victim at thecenter of all of it as the main
(00:45):
part of the story.
It's very easy for the crimevictim and their families to get
lost in all of the noise.
You see it every day when theperpetrators if we know who they
are the perpetrator, as we haveseen ends up getting top
(01:05):
billing in the story of thisperson's life.
Now it's been 15 years sinceCharline Rosemond was killed, 15
years of her family waiting andhoping that something will
happen, that there will actuallybe a case where true justice
(01:26):
can be done.
We launched the brand newFacebook page, Justice for
Charline Rosemond.
Why that name?
For a couple of reasons.
One, it's what Charline'sfamily wanted, and there is a
direct contact email address atthe page Justice for Charline
(01:50):
Rosemond@ gmail.
com, where we want to generatesome information, new tips, new
leads, because we know peopleout there, we know, you know,
and we know that some people aresitting on information they're
not sure if they should share ornot.
I'm here to tell you share it,drop a dime, leave an anonymous
(02:19):
message, anything related toCharlene's case, anything that
is in the public sphere, likethe contact information for the
Middlesex County DistrictAttorney's Office and the state
police who are charged with hercase.
The Somerville PD is alsolisted as a contact for
(02:41):
information, though 15 yearsremoved.
We learned that theinvestigator who had been
working on Charlene's case hasretired but still keeps a vested
interest in information that'scoming in.
We need information.
Her family deserves information.
If you know something, pleaseshare it.
(03:01):
The last 15 years has beenincredibly painful for
Charline's family.
Please help us.
The number for the MiddlesexCounty DA's office 781-897-6600.
And I have a link from theSomerville Police Department
where you can share anonymoustips.
(03:22):
I have posted it everywhere andat crimeofthetruestkindcom.
Thank you, to show supporters.
You can become a patron atPatreon for tiers starting at
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Everything is linked atcrimeofthetruestkindcom.
(03:48):
Special thanks our honoraryexecutive producer, Lisa
McColgan.
We are in it, season four.
We celebrate with a live showthis Thursday night, october
10th.
If you're in the Massachusettsvicinity there is a Tom.
I would have said, if you arewithin the sound of my voice, I
did radio for a long time butgiven the fact that this is a
podcast, being within the soundof my voice is international.
(04:12):
And to answer some of thosequestions here, some of those
questions like are you the samethat was on WFNX?
Yep, do you know anotherAnngelle?
Are you the Anngelle that hoststhat show?
Boston Emissions Uh-huh, thoseare among the questions I got
just this week.
Do you have a monster in yourstudio or do you just have a
(04:37):
bunch of bulldogs?
Yeah, that too, they are alittle noise-making monster bear
machines.
So, thursday night live liveshow, october 10th Off Cabot in
Beverly, Massachusetts.
We're talking North Shore crimecases, that's, Salem, Peabody
cases, Lynn, Revere, Rockport,Beverly.
(04:59):
There are, unfortunately, anumber of things to cover and
we'll do as much as we have timefor we are planning on
recording it for future airing.
This is episode 72.
We continue our conversationwith Rose, sister of Charline
Rosemond, in Somerville,Massachusetts, where Charline
(05:22):
was found 15 years ago.
This is part two about theunsolved murder of Charline
Rosemond.
It happened in 2009.
Please do go back and listen tothe previous episode, episode
(05:48):
71.
It will provide context andhelp you better understand what
you're going to hear.
In this episode I talked aboutmany fun facts about the city of
Somerville.
It is home to the world famousmarshmallow cream known as fluff
.
There's that old saying youcan't throw a rock without
hitting somebody, for in thiscase, for being an artist.
(06:10):
New Alliance is based inSomerville, artists, musicians,
creators any day of the week youcan walk in and see amazing art
on the walls, like the work ofAlvan Long, a tremendously
talented artist who's beenaround the Boston music scene
for decades.
A nd not too terribly far awayfrom New Alliance gallery is
(06:33):
Petsi Pies.
Petsi Pies has the best pies inthe greater Boston area and
beyond.
Somerville, a very populatedcity right next to Boston and
pretty safe.
And the fact that CharlineRosemond was murdered and found
there in Union Square behind theMid Nite Convenience Store,
(06:54):
which is still there to this day, says a couple of things to me.
We've established Charline wastold there was a car for sale at
a pretty crazy great deal.
I add all these things up, itwas a Lexus valued at about
$6,000, and offered to her forthe sum of $4,000.
(07:15):
$4,000 was the sum of moneyCharlene had with her when she
left her parents' house inEverett for the last time.
Now, after speaking withCharline's sister, Rose,
Charline knew the people whomade her this
too-good-to-be-true offer.
Now, in saying that I don't meanto suggest in any way that
(07:37):
Charline's responsible for whathappened to her.
It indicates that she knew andtrusted these people and where
Charline would be found six daysafter she went missing.
Charline was familiar with thatarea.
It came to light later on thatCharline and some friends knew
that location very well, werefamiliar with that area and had
(07:59):
gone there.
In fact one friend of Charlineeven said that they had hung out
there.
At CrimeOfTheTruestKind.
com on the episodes page, amongthe photos in the photo gallery,
I recreated a map of that areain Union Square.
The convenience store is there,located on Somerville Ave.
(08:19):
The apartment building islocated off Webster Ave and the
lot is in the middle whereCharline was found.
Now it does pose a lot ofquestions for me and I know it
does for you.
Six days Charline was in thatcar in that small parking lot in
(08:44):
a very populated area of thecity.
It's upsetting to know thatCharline knew the people that
did this to her.
She trusted them.
She left her house with $4,000in cash in her pocketbook,
something that upset her mother.
When she found out what she hadplanned for that day, I asked
her sister Rose was there even acar for sale, or was this a
(09:07):
twisted plot to get Charlinesomewhere to take advantage and
steal her hard-earned money?
For those of us who have beentrue crime consumers over the
years, and there are a lot ofus, we know that this is a
possible scenario.
It is a plausible story.
In this case it doesn't bringCharline back, but it gives a
(09:32):
little bit of insight about thisoperation.
Charline went missing on April6th.
Several reports list April 7thas the day that Charline went
missing.
I confirmed my timeline withher sister.
Charline was missing for sixdays, found in Somerville behind
(09:52):
the Mid Nite Convenience onMonday, April 13th.
Charlene did not come home fromwork on April 6th, the day she
had planned to go look at thiscar, and the next day, when she
had not returned home, worry setin for her family, completely
(10:12):
out of character for her.
They needed to find help.
They didn't know what to do.
Who does in this situation?
They would eventually go to theEverett Police Department, the
town that they lived in, toreport her missing.
Everett Police Department didnot take a missing person's
report saying Charline was 23and maybe she wanted to go away.
(10:33):
Stop doing that.
Please stop doing that.
This family knew it was out ofcharacter for their daughter and
sister to not come home.
They knew something was wrongand sister to not come home.
They knew something was wrong.
The only person that offered anykind of help to the Rosemond
family when Charline was missingwas a local reporter named
(10:56):
Todd Kazakiewich of WCVB Channel5 television in Boston.
He is still with the station.
I was not able to find hisreporting from 15 years ag o,
but once Charline was found inher dad's car behind that
convenience store, reporterscame out of the woodwork to talk
to her family.
Where were they when she wasmissing for six days, when they
(11:21):
were reaching out to anybodythey could think of for help of
for help?
?
? since, as Charline's casegoes unsolved?
One mainstay of New Englandunsolved cases is Bob Ward of
Boston 25 News.
Bob Ward really has been asoldier when it comes to
families of victims and unsolvedcrime.
(11:41):
Bob Ward has been supportingher family over these years and
I have to give thanks to EmilySweeney of the Boston Globe Cold
Case Files for featuringCharlene's story after our show
at Faces in Malden a few monthsago.
Emily is the one who put Roseand I in touch.
Included in Emily's reportingis information about a post that
(12:04):
was found after Charlene'smurder.
Less than a year after Charlenewas killed, someone posted on an
online chat forum.
It appeared on LipstickAlley.
com on February 16th 2010.
An anonymous user says "shouldI snitch or mind my own business
(12:25):
Was anonymous taking thetemperature?
Anonymous poster said they hadheard that the person who killed
Charline was someone they knewand that they had gone to school
with.
Were they looking for advice asto whether they should go to
the cops with the informationthat they had as to whether they
(12:45):
should go to the cops with theinformation that they had?
It's possible they put thatinformation up there to have
other people agree with themthat they should shut up and not
snitch, or they were mining forinformation about Charline's
case.
It is possible that that personwho asked "should I snitch or
mind my own business had nointention on going to the police
in the first place.
Were they seeking to beabsolved, to clear their own
(13:14):
conscience of something they mayknow about the murder of a
23-year-old woman?
Fourteen and a half years afterthat anonymous post was left at
LipstickAlleycom, not much hashappened with Charline's case.
In May of 2009, it was reportedthat a 21-year-old man from
Somerville named Dokens Josephwas arrested and charged with
(13:39):
two counts of perjury inconnection with Charline's
murder.
He had allegedly lied to agrand jury investigating her
death.
Gerry Leone, the Middlesex DAat the time, said we allege that
this defendant has usefulinformation regarding our
investigation into the murder ofCharline Rosemond, yet chose to
(13:59):
knowingly provide falseinformation under oath.
We will continue to prosecutethose who willfully choose to
lie under oath or obstruct ourinvestigation into this homicide
.
That 21-year-old man fromSomerville was ordered held on
$1,000 cash bail.
Despite learning that that hewas implicated in Charlene's
(14:22):
murder.
Nothing has come from it.
Almost a year after Charline'smurder, that post appeared on
LipstickAlley.
com.
That anonymous poster "should Isnitch or mind my own business?
Nothing has come from that.
I don't think anonymous posterwas looking for advice from that
(14:46):
.
I don't think Anonymous Posterwas looking for advice.
Perhaps they were having a bitof a struggle of conscience,
because I believe if that persontruly wanted to help Charlene's
case, if that person truly hadinformation that could help ease
the pain of the Rosemond family, jesus Christ, they should have
done something with it.
And you still can.
There is no statute oflimitations on murder.
(15:11):
This is exactly why I want togenerate new visibility for
Charlene's case.
That is exactly why I asked herfamily if they approved setting
up a Justice for CharleneRoseman page on Facebook.
(15:31):
We know people know things.
We've got to shake the tree andwe've got to get these people
to talk.
We've got to get these peopleto say what they know.
Thank you to the Rosemonds andthank you to her sister, rose,
who really has been shoulderingthis burden as the spokesperson
(15:56):
for the family.
In a moment I continue myconversation with Rose Rosemond,
charlene's younger sister bytwo years.
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Rose Rosemond (17:05):
If I'm not mistaken, I think she had a
picture of a car.
However, I'm not gonna liethese folks.
From what I heard, one of them,I think, told someone and this
is, of course, after the fact isthings that I've been hearing
one of them told someone oh, I'mabout to come up on some money
prior to my sister beingmurdered and shortly after my
sister was murdered, this personhad money that they didn't have
before.
I don't know if the Lexus was athing or if it was a decoy.
(17:28):
I mean you, anybody could takea screenshot on a car and say,
oh, of course people can wonderwhy did she have $4,000, et
cetera.
But if you're a legit person,mind you like my sister's a
straight up person I go.
I like the car.
There's no, oh, let me comeback tomorrow.
It's like I want to secure thevehicle.
Here's the money.
If you're my friend and I tellyou I'm going to bring you to
(17:49):
get a car for $4,000 cash,you're going to know I
physically have $4,000 cash,because you've already told me
the price.
You know that it's cash, soit's not a secret.
It's like the easiest way for,unfortunately, a shady person
that you thought was your friendto plot on you, unbeknownst to
you.
But it's not like at the time,it's not a real dealership where
(18:11):
you're like, oh, I'm just goingto bring a card, I'm going to
put my down payment.
No, you have the cash.
I think the car was supposed tobe $6,000, but he said, oh, my
friend's going to give you adeal for four, meaning you know
exactly how much money I have,because you're the one telling
me the amount.
Anngelle Wood (18:25):
Do you have any idea where these people are now?
Are they around?
Rose Rosemond (18:30):
I think I've heard one lives out of state and
the other one is actually local.
I don't know exactly where, butnot far from the Somerville,
medford, malden area.
I think I've seen him onceyears ago, it's been about 10
years the person that gotcharged with perjury when he was
let out of prison.
I did run into him one timewhere I was going to the grocery
(18:53):
store and it was a parking lot.
He saw me and I saw him andonce he saw me he ran store and
it was a parking lot.
He saw me and I saw him andonce he saw me he ran.
I don't know if it was just himhaving to accept the fact that
he took on this charge.
He knows these things, that hemay not have necessarily played
a part physically, but heprovided an alibi, but it was a
sheer shock, fear in his face.
(19:13):
Why are you scared of me?
Why are you scared of me?
If it's the fact that you haveto face reality of what you did,
whether or not you wereinvolved, but you provided an
alibi for people that murderedmy sister, I should be afraid of
you.
Why are you afraid of me?
But I think it's probably amatter of like having to face
reality and just didn't expectto see me and other than that, I
haven't seen any of thesepeople.
Anngelle Wood (19:39):
Has your family had any contact with a private
investigator or an attorney thatmaybe can help you navigate
some of these things over theyears?
I mean outside of the DA'soffice, we've kind of just
pretty much continued to sharethe news and the articles
regarding my sister a privateinvestigator.
We haven't explored the thingabout it is and I don't know how
it sounds, but it's again.
(19:59):
I don't know how these thingswork, but I do know that the
police know all the players.
So get a private investigatorfor something that's already
known to the police.
But they're just trying to putthe pieces together.
I feel like it's one thing ifyou didn't have a direction, and
it's like we need one way to go, especially with this person
being charged with perjurydirection and it's like we need
one way to go, especially withthis person being charged with
perjury.
(20:19):
That goes to show, even if wehad heard rumors, now it's
turned from a rumor to a fact,because this person got charged
in the court of law forproviding alibis and certain
details were said there.
For these folks Now it's nolonger a question, it's like a
fact that these people areinvolved.
So I don't know what a privateinvestigator could find that we,
the police, don't already know.
(20:41):
I think it's a matter of,unfortunately, people speaking
out.
I don't know how and my dadjust said this like an hour ago
we don't know how this case hasgone on 15 years.
When the thing happened wheremy sister was murdered, the
police are like this is verysolvable, this is going to be
solved, like this is not.
(21:02):
And we're like how are we, 15years in, you guys convinced us
that you guys were going to beable to put all the pieces
together.
You know the players.
This person got charged withperjury and 15 years later,
crickets like everyone's likewell, yeah, we don't have what
we need.
It's like are you going to lookto get it?
And it's like I pretty muchhave to continue to just fight
for justice for my family and Iunderstand like new cases come
about.
More people get murdered, theypush her file to the back, but
(21:24):
this is still a pain andsomething that my family will
never get over.
I don't care if it's 30 years,I don't care if it's 40 years.
We're always going to fight forjustice for her.
I just my the justice while myparents are here.
I would hate it.
I've seen stories and caseswhere people they find out 40
(21:45):
years later and the parents arealready deceased because they're
elderly and justice is stilljustice, but I would love for it
to happen while my parents arehere to see it.
What is the name of the detective the retired
detective and were they fromSomerville or Everett Police?
Rose Rosemond (22:00):
Somerville, oh, everett Police.
They never.
I've never spoken to anyone inthat police station, aside from
that initial time we went thereand we couldn't get them to file
the police report.
But everything's strictly beenSomerville and the DA's office.
Anngelle Wood (22:14):
Do you feel comfortable sharing that retired
Somerville detective's name?
Rose Rosemond (22:18):
I'm not sure how I feel about sharing his name
just because you know we stilldo.
Occasionally he does check inand you know he is retired and
he knows a lot about the caseand he's definitely determined
to like continue to help us asmuch as he can, even as he's
retired.
If he was to hear something I'msure he would get right back on
it.
So for that I guess I wouldn'tsay his name, just because he is
(22:41):
still trying to help us out,even while in the background.
People know there's alwayssomeone that knows very slim
chance.
Let's say the world is sleeping, no one sees, but even then
there's always a night owl.
Someone could have peeked outtheir windows.
People know, and it sucksbecause I understand to a
certain extent.
People are like I don't want toget involved, I don't know what
(23:02):
they're going to do to me.
Whole families are being wipedout, eventually dying one by one
from cases that are so long ago.
Meanwhile someone has thatinformation in their heart that
they never shared that we're notgoing to get our family members
back.
But that one thing to even getjustice while on earth
eventually that would sufficefor a family because they know
they can't get their relativeback.
(23:23):
I just wish more people wouldthink outside of just like oh I
want to mind my business, or Idon't want to snitch, and it's
this whole I don't want tosnitch thing.
And it's like families arehurting, like, and not only that
, you're allowing these peopleto stay out here More times than
not.
If someone kills once, they'regoing to kill again, especially
if they feel like they got awayfor doing it.
(23:44):
So not only are youcontinuously allowing this
family to hurt, but you're alsoallowing a murderer to roam free
.
It's going to be the nextperson in the next family and
the next person in the nextfamily, and if we can get them
behind bars sooner rather thanlater, we can eliminate a lot of
the things happening whereother families don't have to
suffer.
It's a tough thing.
(24:04):
It's unfortunate for all thesefamilies because, like you said,
even that family in NewHampshire they know they have an
idea exactly who did it.
Someone out there knows.
But again, they're living theirlittle life.
I'm going to mind my business,not say anything.
Meanwhile, the family is dyinginside every day because nothing
has been done about their childbeing murdered.
It's unfortunate.
Anngelle Wood (24:22):
There are some similarities in Charline's case
and the case of Trish Haynesfrom New Hampshire.
What evidence did they collectfrom the car when Charline was
found that you are aware of?
Rose Rosemond (24:35):
So I know, till this day I feel like they
collected my sister's purse, hercell phone.
I will say that there was nomoney found in the purse.
So if you left with the moneyand then you don't have the
money and the money is not inthe house, somebody got the
money, which again furtherallows us to prove that she was
robbed because there was nomoney.
(24:55):
It's not like oh well, we foundthe money at home and found out
that she actually didn't takeit with her.
No, she did take it with herand the police found her purse
and there was no money.
Aside from that, I can say thecar was my dad's car.
He had it for years.
They told me and my family mydad's fingerprints weren't even
found on the car.
It was his car.
They couldn't even find mydad's fingerprints, further
(25:18):
proving they had more thanenough time.
Her car might've been there fora while, they had time to wipe
it down, et cetera.
This is not something that justtook place real quick, mind you
.
She was missing for six days.
I don't know how many timesthey went back to do et cetera,
et cetera.
My dad was stunned.
What do you mean?
You can't find my fingerprints.
.
Anngelle Wood (25:40):
So calculated.
all the flags are raised, it'slike this.
We can put the pieces together.
It sounds like this may nothave been the first time.
These perpetrators did this.
Right, because they cleanedthat car.
There had to have been some,some evidence inside that car,
because you do believe thatCharlene was shot in the car and
they made her drive there,correct?
Rose Rosemond (26:00):
And from what I've told, it's an area.
A mutual friend of Charlene andthose folks that said, oh yeah,
sometimes we would like hangout back there or we'd meet back
there.
So I didn't know that because Inever hung out back there.
But that further proves thatthis is somewhere you all would
frequent, and this includes thefolks being accused.
This is, it's not like.
It's like oh, we've never gonethere.
(26:23):
A mutual friend was like no, me, charlene and these folks have
actually met behind there before.
Again, all these things areleading back to the same people
Throughout the years 15 years.
I have never heard any otherstory.
I've heard several stories.
People have DM'd me, peoplehave messaged me.
I've never heard anythingoutside of the folks that are
currently accused that thepolice already have an idea on
who did and what did.
How could 15 year go by?
(26:44):
And I haven't heard any othercrazy stories.
It's the same people everysingle time, no matter who the
person is that randomly says it.
Anngelle Wood (26:52):
How can we, you know, me, the gene ral public
how can we support you andfamilies that are going through
what you are going?
How can we be better at?
Rose Rosemond (27:02):
helping with social media being as powerful
as it is and just the Internetin general something as small as
a share or a like, or justproviding this type of I don't
want to call it content, becauseit's not like oh, we created
content.
Unfortunately, this is reallife.
However, sharing this amongstfolks again, how this story got
(27:24):
to you, when it got to you knowthe Boston Globe, it got to
Emily, et cetera it's based onsomeone that shared that share,
that share, that eventually itgot to someone that got to
someone.
I feel like for myself andother families continuously
sharing these stories there, oneday someone will be like oh my
God, I remember that and I knowthis, but I never thought that
this went with that, Because somany years go by and,
(27:47):
unfortunately, murders happenquite often.
So what happens is your storygets pushed to the side.
We got a new story, got a newgirl murdered, and then her
story gets pushed to the sideTwo years later, there's and
it's like well, that was 15years ago, we even forgot about
it.
There's a new murder this weekand that's the hottest thing on,
and unfortunately, it's like.
I understand that these are notgoing to stop.
However, if we continue toshare the stories of other
(28:07):
families.
It just comes down to someoneknowing something that they
didn't know would help solve acase, but they now have heard
the story where they could say,oh my God, in 2009, I lived in
Somerville and I lived in thatbuilding and I did hear
something, but I never knew thatthis was the case.
Or to the point where we shareit so much that someone that
(28:29):
knew something that has beencontemplating for years should I
say something?
Should I not?
Maybe that one post will belike you know what.
Let me finally get this off mychest.
I feel like there's so littleyou can do, but at the same time
, I feel like sharing is soimportant, despite how long ago
the story was told, and as longas we keep the story alive, I
think that does a lot for thefamily.
(28:50):
I can't really think ofanything else that I feel like
would suffice.
I have no problem talking aboutmy sister's story.
Some days, I do feel like it'sharder than others.
I'm not going to lie.
I do feel like you know.
My parents and I are discouraged.
We've been doing this for 15years.
Bob Ward, who's amazing.
He did a anniversary, I think,five years in 10 years in we did
(29:12):
the news he would come to myhouse and we're appreciative,
and then, like I don't know.
It's like me and my family havehopes, like maybe something
will come about and it's likenope, another year nothing.
It's so discouraging.
But if people continue to keeplike Charlene alive in her story
, I just pray that one daysomeone will admit to it or
someone will just be able toprovide details that we didn't
(29:33):
have that can now allow us toput pieces together.
Anngelle Wood (29:36):
We didn't have.
That can now allow us to putpieces together.
There have been sites dedicatedto Charline's case in the past.
Rose Rosemond (29:41):
Right Website, facebook I used to have it, but
throughout the years it's takena toll on me.
Now I have to mentally prepareand take like we're doing this
now.
I had to prepare for it.
Okay, I'm going to talk aboutit because it's something that
has taken a toll on me.
I've felt guilt throughout theyears for not solving it.
(30:02):
I think, oh, my God, you juststart thinking is she
disappointed in me that Ihaven't been able to solve her
case?
Is it my job per se?
No, the detectives have to helpme, help them.
But I felt guilty about thatFor so long.
It took a toll on me that Istopped running the page and a
lot of times I felt like I don'tknow.
People were there more so tolurk and see what I have again,
(30:23):
because I went to school inSomerville.
She went to school inSomerville.
Half the community inSomerville I still kind of talk
to.
I feel like a lot of peopleknow.
So I started to get paranoid.
I don't know who's here foractual support and who's here to
find out how much I know, torun back and tell me.
It just became too much that Istopped.
I do share, like on my personalpage, or if articles are written
(30:45):
I'll share, but I kind ofclosed out the pages that I had,
for I used to have a Facebookpage, a memorial site, but it
just got.
It got too much for me tohandle and it and it would lead
me into depression because it'slike a reality Every time you
post or every time someone posts.
It's just a reality that thisis your real life.
Your sister is not coming back.
She was murdered.
So now I still continue toshare, but I have to do it in
(31:08):
doses, in.
I continue to share everyarticle or anything that people
I've had several podcasts do,podcasts about my sister's case.
I do continue to share thestories, but me running stuff I
don't think I can mentally do itat this time.
I think it was just taking toomuch of a toll on me,
(31:29):
unfortunately.
Anngelle Wood (31:31):
Completely understood.
I get it.
I mean that's why I wanted tovolunteer to help you and
support you in that way, and Iwould other too.
I mean it's important thatfamilies like yours know that
(32:02):
you're not alone.
I know that you often feel likeyou're out on an island and
nobody understands what you'regoing through, or that your
sister's just some characterlike on television.
She's not.
She's a real human being thatlived and breathed and loved,
and someone took her.
People took her from yourfamily, and I plan on continuing
(32:23):
our correspondence because Ifeel very strongly about the
fact that we cannot forget abouther case, about her and
everything that you've beenthrough your family.
Rose Rosemond (32:34):
Thank you.
No, thank you.
I appreciate that.
I definitely do.
Anngelle Wood (32:37):
You were eight months pregnant when your sister
passed away.
Tell me about that baby.
Rose Rosemond (32:44):
Well, now I have a boy.
He's a teenager now, soobviously it's been a long time.
You know, he's definitely heardabout my sister.
He he reminds me of her in someways.
He definitely brought so muchjoy to my family, considering
the loss.
He reminds me of her in someways.
He definitely brought so muchjoy to my family, considering
the loss.
I you know, unfortunately it'slike he came at the perfect time
because we were hurting so much, but he allowed us to actually
stay a tight knit family.
(33:05):
You know, babies bring peopletogether, but he's awesome and I
keep pictures of my sister allover the place.
So he knows Charlie, he knowsthe name.
He has seen, like you know,unfortunately, he's seen the
years, like what the damage hasdone to my parents and family,
because I've told him about itwhere he notices like how we are
.
You know how we are a littleparanoid about certain
(33:28):
situations because we only knowof what happened to our family,
but overall he's definitelyawesome.
I'm just I'm.
He came at the right time.
I don't know where I would beif he wasn't here.
Anngelle Wood (33:38):
And your parents are happy grandparents.
Rose Rosemond (33:39):
Yes, they are.
Anngelle Wood (33:41):
How are they doing?
How are your parents doing?
Are they still in the area?
Rose Rosemond (33:44):
Yeah, they're still in the area.
Every day is a struggle, likethe other day.
You know my mom, you knowthings don't change, but the
other day my mom and I weretalking and she well, actually
we weren't talking, she calledme randomly and she was crying.
It's to the point where when mymom calls me and she's crying,
I don't have to ask her whyshe's crying.
I know it's another momentwhere it's just reality's
(34:07):
hitting, which is what the casewas.
She called me and she was justcrying.
She didn't have to say anythingand of course I just comforted
her and we just I just allowedher to cry and she's's like I
can't believe it.
It's 15 years.
My daughter, where would I,where would she be if she was
still here?
What would she be accomplishing?
And then we still have thosetimes.
My dad he tries not to talkabout it much because it's too
(34:28):
painful, but every now and thenwe have the conversations where
we talk about it.
So it's just like a painful,painful thing.
That is not necessarily theelephant in the room with my
family, but even as we sittogether in the living room,
it's like we always know thatsomeone is missing, like it's
always someone's missing.
We don't say it, but everyonefeels it, so it's just a matter
(34:51):
of day by day, but they aredefinitely determined to get
justice for my sister.
They aren't as vocal as I amand I understand the loss of a
sister Now that I'm a mom.
I can't imagine the loss of achild, so I can only imagine the
pain that they're experiencing.
But I do my best to speak forthe family and for myself and
(35:12):
advocate and, you know, continueto seek justice for all of us.
Anngelle Wood (35:15):
And I know this is a lot of emotional labor and
there might be something thatyou say with me today that when
you think about it, you don'twant to be included in this, and
I understand and you just saythe word.
Rose Rosemond (35:31):
The thing about the no fingerprints.
I've never said that before,but I'm fine.
I mean, I've said the samething for 15 years.
At some point I have to saysomething different.
I don't know if that's going tomake a difference, but it's
like I've said the same story.
You look at Bob Ward'sinterviews.
You check out.
I've said the same thingbecause I didn't know how much I
should or shouldn't put out,which is still where I am.
What do they say?
Doing the same thing over andover.
(35:53):
I'm not getting anywhere.
So maybe if, little by little,maybe I do say something that
wouldn't necessarily jeopardizethe case, but that hasn't been
heard before.
An example for the fingerprintsI've never said that In any
article.
Nothing, you see, you'll everhear that.
So that's the only new thing Ithink I said today.
But I'm fine with everything.
I'm always fine to be the face.
(36:13):
I definitely will participatein anything you have going on.
I could definitely be the facethat I've been for my family.
So thank you for everything.
A lot of people it's oldstories to them and you don't
even have to do this and you'redoing this out of the kindness
of your heart.
So we appreciate you wanting toshare her story.
Anngelle Wood (36:32):
Well, thank you, and I'm here, I'm not going away
.
You will be hearing from me,thank you.
My thanks to Rose and theRosemond family.
(36:55):
There's a lot of reasons why Ido this, but if listening to
what Charlene's family has gonethrough for the last 15 years
isn't any indicator as to whythings like this need to be done
, I have no other words for you.
(37:16):
Charlene's case has beenunsolved for 15 years.
We're working to change that.
So talk about Charlene's case.
Share this and other podcastsabout Charlene's story.
If you're on Facebook like theJustice for Charlene Rosemond
(37:37):
Facebook page, charlene's nameis spelled C-H-A-R-L-E-N-E.
Charlene, you know we're at thetail end of 2024.
And in 2025, the work with theMassachusetts Missing and
(38:05):
Murdered Advocacy Coalition isgoing to ramp up considerably,
because it's not about podcasts.
It's about a community ofadvocates who have worked in
different sectors and we allcome together with the mission
of advocacy for the families ofmissing and murdered in
(38:26):
Massachusetts.
Much more to come on that inthe months ahead.
I hope you can come out those ofyou who are local to the
Massachusetts area I hope youcan come out to Off Cabot on
Thursday night Live show.
It's a meetup of sorts.
Information about everythingshow related
(38:48):
crimeofthetruestkindcom.
You can follow online at crimeof the truest kinds on all the
haunts Facebook, instagramthreads, twitter I'm always
going to call it Twitter, tiktok, youtube, livejournal, myspace,
(39:08):
aol Instant Messenger All right, I'm going off the rails.
Aol Instant Messenger All right, I'm going off the rails.
I released these two episodesback to back for Charlene's case
and then we return in two weekswith a very special
collaboration episode.
Follow at Crime of the TruestKinds to learn more about that.
(39:30):
Here's a teaser.
Have you heard of Already Gone,the podcast?
Thank you for listening.
My name is Angelle Wood.
This is Crime of the TruestKinds, massachusetts and New
England crime.
A little bit of history.
I wasn't so snarky today andalways advocacy focused.
(39:51):
I am going to jump.
My dogs are about to yell at meto give them treats.
I'm not kidding, that's notmade up.
They have temper tantrums whenit's meal time and snack time.
I mean, don't we all?
I must be going?
Locky God in doors.
Lockheed Goddard in Bores.
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