EP 82 | True Crime North Shore, Recorded Live at Off Cabot in Beverly, Mass (part one) - Crime of the Truest Kind

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Anngelle Wood (00:00):
Well, hello, my name is Anngelle Wood and this
is Crime of the Truest Kind.

(00:32):
Hey everybody, I have returnedfrom Advocacy Con, which
happened over the weekend inIndianapolis, and I gotta say it
was a pretty incredibleexperience because its focus is
advocacy and providing resourcesfor families who have been
affected by violent crime,whether it be they have a
murdered loved one, their caseis unsolved or they have a

(00:55):
missing loved one who they aredesperately looking for and
continue to search for newavenues by which to tell their
loved one's story.
I was there representing MMMPAC, the Massachusetts Missing and
Murdered Persons AdvocacyCoalition, which you can learn

(01:15):
all about if you go tomassmissingandmurdered.
org.
You can also learn about it onsocial media, on all platforms
at @MassAdvocacy.
Of course, Crime of the TruestKind had a presence there too.
I just began my training to becredentialed as a victim's

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advocate.
That's the language they use.
A credentialed victim'sadvocate Training is through
NOVA, the National Organizationof Victim Advocacy, and it
covers a lot.
We talk about the history ofadvocacy.
We talk about the many facetsof crime, from domestic violence

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to sexual assault, to missingand murdered loved ones, to
sexual assault, to missing andmurdered loved ones.
So just know, your girl gonnabe really busy.
Thank you to all the patronswho have helped make this
possible, and I will welcome newpatrons on Patreon before we're
through.
This is Crime of the TruestKind Massachusetts and New

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England crime stories.
I talk about history and I talkabout advocacy.
In March, we did our very firstsold out show.
It happens at Off Cabot inBeverly.
I think it was my third visitthere or the fourth, and we will
be back on the North Shoretelling North Shore crime

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stories.
That's Otis.
He is scratching at his doggybed.
Hey dude, you busy here.
I have split the live show intwo parts.
We went almost two hours.
I typically like to keep theshow at about 90 minutes, so

(03:03):
this is part one of our liveshow True Crime North Shore,
recorded Thursday, March 13th2025 at Off Cabot in Beverly,
Massachusetts.
Oh, this is episode 82.
One of the best parts of theseshows is audience participation,
when people there share theirstories or comments and we try

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to get it all on mic, thoughit's tough and you will hear
some quiet spots, some of whichI hope gets picked up by the
transcripts, but that's notalways the case, and I make
mention of images throughoutthis presentation.
You will find that deck on theshow page at
crimeofthetruestkind.
com,

Chris King (03:54):
That's true.
So I'm going to turn thingsover to Anngelle Wood for Crime
of the Truest Kind, North ShoreEdition.
So there you are, thank you.

Anngelle Wood (04:10):
This couch very cool, but there's a little bit
of a dip.
So if you see me throughout theshow do this like kind of fall
into an abyss.
You know what's going on andChris, by the way, is the set
designer and he's extraordinary,so let's hear it for Chris.
Thank you very much, chris,anything for you.
You gave it up for Ben.
Way to go, Ben, you're gettinga little bit of a groupie crowd,
so don't let it go to your head.

(04:31):
Thank you to the Off Cabot.
This is probably I think thismight be my fourth show here,
maybe at least three.
Have you all been to one of myshows here before I recognize
you?
Yes, how are you?
Okay?
Well, welcome.

(04:53):
A couple of things I want to sayright up front.
If any of you in the audiencehave been involved with a crime
when I say that, I mean if youhave a loved one, if you are
adjacent, if you will I go atthese cases very carefully and

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very respectfully.
So if you have never listenedto the podcast that I do.
Please know that this isn't oneof those.
I don't want to say the name, Idon't want to say the word
morbid, because then it justassociates with another very
popular podcast.
But if you're interested in thesubject matter, you're in the
right room.
But I don't do it in anexploitative way, so I'm right

(05:39):
out of the gate.
That's what I'm going to say toyou.
So a little bit about me firstof all.
For those of you who may notknow, I started the show back in
around 2020.
Something was going on I don'tquite remember what was it and I
had always I love podcasting.

(05:59):
I love crime.
Sounds weird to say, but it'strue.
Love crime Sounds weird to say,but it's true Always was a fan
of nonfiction, always a fan ofdocumentary style films, always
a fan of things that reallyhappened.
I have read novels and the like, but I've always gravitated to

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things real life things.
So that led to me starting apodcast in 2020.
And I remember exactly whathappened.
I was away in Maine in a cabin,it was raining and I was reading
a book written by friends ofmine.
It was called Hunting Whiny, byDave Wedge and Casey Sherman,

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and I loved the book.
I loved everything about thestory that they told and it
really is about Whitey Bulgerand the hunt for him the name
suggests that and then thecapture.
And I thought at that momentyou know what I want to do?
A podcast, and I want to do itabout this book, and then

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whatever else happens.
So I made the decision.
That night, sitting in a cabinon a rainy night in Maine, I
figured out the name, which Ididn't really love the name, but
it worked and I stuck with itand then it went from there.
But I have changed as a resultof my time in this true crime

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space, and I will explain whatthat means.
When I first got into it okay,so I need to tell you this For
more than 20 years, I was aradio DJ here in this area.
I worked at radio stations,okay, so we're in the North
Shore, so a lot of you know whatWFNX is Central Square Inland.
I worked there for a reallylong time.

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I did a morning show, I didafternoons, etc.
I worked at WBCN, I worked atWZLX, so what that means is I
was all about getting the joke.
We would say all kinds ofridiculousness just to get a
laugh, and I think the beginningof my podcasting career I was a

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lot more like that.
But then as soon as I startedto really dig into this subject
matter, read these stories,learn the things that happened
to people and then eventuallymeeting families well,
everything changed for me.
So that picture right there inthe far corner is me in one of

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my earliest radio shifts at WFNXin the old studio.
If anybody is aware of whatradio was about back then, right
behind me is a bunch of carts.
They look like 8-track tapesfor anybody who knows what an
8-track tape is.
So I grew up here inMassachusetts.
I grew up in a small towncalled Groveland.
Anybody know where.
Groveland is Very nice, becausea lot of people don't.

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When I say, like what the hellis that?
There's like one little sign onthe highway that says Groveland
this way, nobody really knowsabout it.
It's a very small town.
Few have heard of it.
They don't still to this day,don't even have a grocery store.
That's all right.
Then my family moved to SouthernNew Hampshire.
I went to school there and thenI ended up coming back to go to

(09:17):
college Subsequently and I seetypos right now and I didn't fix
and I see typos right now and Ididn't fix.
I subsequently went to school.
I got involved in radio.
It was my dream.
I didn't know what radio reallyentailed.
As a kid I knew I wanted to doit.
I kind of thought radio waslike being an actress, being
like a movie star.
Oh, it's so not, but I didenjoy it.

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Radio has changed very much too, by the way.
We won't fall down that rabbithole, but I worked at FNX.
It was a fantastic experience.
I met lots of people.
I did all kinds of interviews.
It was.
It was wonderful.
I worked at WCLX, which is verydifferent now than it was when
I was there.
Um, I make the joke that I wasthere before they played Billy

(10:03):
Joel.
It's a thing.
I like Billy Joel, no shade onBilly Joel, but they didn't play
Billy Joel back then when Iworked there.
It was much more rock then, butit's very different now and I
still have wonderful friends inradio that you know good for
them.
I worked at WBCN when I was atBCN when they went away In the

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bottom picture.
The second picture is whatappeared in the Boston Globe on
WBCN's last days.
It's Charles Lacodera who is asuperstar morning DJ, tommy Lee,
the drummer from Motley Crue,howard Stern, who is a legend in
radio, and me Okay, I'll takeit, but really Okay.

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And I had red hair then andthat's me like playing DJ at
some show we were doing.
I think it was a rumble party.
I'll take it because, look, itwas a good time.
But I went from DJ to podcasthost, to victim advocate.
This is how much I didn't getit when I got involved in this
space.
That picture of me on the leftis I'm at a party at Hard Rock

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Cafe in Boston when it was stillthere.
It's gone now and I was dressedup like the Black Dahlia.
So I looked at probably like alot of people still do.
I looked at people who werevictims of crime, like it was a
character, like it was a youknow somebody on a TV show which

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is really not how it is at all,like not human.
They were non-human, they werejust a character, they didn't
really exist.
A costume right.
And at the same time I did thisand I remember one of my, one
of my they were non-human, theywere just a character, they
didn't really exist, a costumeright.
And at the same time I did thisand I remember one of my one of
my fellow DJs said wow, they'rereally brave dressing up like
that.
Since I had stalkers, I did.

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I had some stuff.
I was at that very moment intime I was dealing with some
stalker situations.
I'm it say it worked out.
Sounds strange, but we dealtwith it.
But I've learned a lot sincethen.
I don't make jokes at theexpense of people who have
experienced these things More onthat later.

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And that's my me, downstairs inmy basement in front of a green
screen, in front of a greenscreen.
So here we are, togethertalking about North Shore cases
that happened here.
The last time I was here inBeverly I went through a series
of crimes that happened here andI had this long leftover list

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and what I said the last timewas next time I come back to off
Cabot I continue this list.
I had this long list in Claire.
Her story was one of those.
We're going back to 1986.
I barely remember it becauseI'm very young, like a little
baby who here is familiar, evena little bit, with Claire's

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story.
Okay, it's okay.
If you're not, it's okay,you're welcome to be here.
This is a story that went.
Her case went.
Look at how beautiful she is.
She was murdered.
She was 20 years old.
She was a sophomore at SalemState.
She was originally from NorthAndover.
She was found murdered.

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It was June 29th 1986, so thestart of the summer.
She had played softball withher friends.
She was at a bar in Salemcalled Major McGleishy's.
I didn't really I wasn'tfamiliar with that at all
Anybody familiar with that.
Oh, alright, you're in theright place.
What is it now?
It's still the same thing.
Oh, let's go thereafter.

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Okay, we'll all meet upthereafter, alright?
At the time it was believed thatshe left the bar.
Somebody gave her a ride home.
They believe that.
Well, at least they were toldshe was dropped off around 1,
1.30.
But there were many conflictingreports about that, about where

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Claire went.
Leaving the bar.
She was doing all the regularthings that college sophomores
do.
Right, you hang out with yourfriends, you go, maybe grab a
couple of drinks, you stay outlate.
It's what we all did.
She was doing absolutelynothing wrong.
She was loved, respected by hercoworkers.

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She worked on campus.
She also had another job.
Somebody said I don't know who,I don't have a name for who to
quote here, but she was alwayssmiling.
She was always happy.
She was studying computerscience.
Her mom said that when theylearned that she hadn't shown up

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at her job, she was working ata place in Boston that some of
her brothers went to look forher.
She was found in Beverly.
She's from North Andover.
She was living in Salem.
She was found here in Beverly.

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They didn't know anything aboutwhat happened to her.
Hers was like so many othercases.
What happened to this youngstudent, out with friends, doing
what all students do, generallyspeaking, and her case stayed
cold from 1986 to 2022.
Could you imagine for a momentbeing a family member of this

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young woman who was found,absolutely no idea why or who?
And then we learned that theywere following this case for
many, many years A man namedJohn Carey, a 63-year-old man
who was already serving timesomeplace else for another

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Massachusetts crime, attackingsomebody in Hamilton whose name
we don't know.
And we don't need to know,because they certainly, you know
, deserve their privacy, need toknow because they certainly,
you know, deserve their privacy,and they followed this lead for
ten years, based on thephysical evidence that was

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recovered from Claire's thescene where they found Claire.
Thank God for science, becausescience is solving cases.
I talk about this all of thetime on the show as I become
more aware of technology and thescientific advantages that we

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have.
I try to say to all familymembers or anybody that's
involved in this space make sureyour DNA is in the database,
make sure your dna is insomeplace, like jed match, and
we'll talk about that, theramifications of that after,
because I know that some peoplelike I don't want my stuff in
there.
Well, if you didn't commit acrime first of all, you've got

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nothing to worry about.
If you don't, then we shouldreally talk about that, because
then I'm going to question youabout, like, why are you so
scared?
What did you do?
We learned that they werefollowing this lead on this guy
for more than 10 years based onthe physical evidence that was
recovered.
Thank God that back in 1986,the investigators who were on

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that case captured some of that,because, remember, we didn't
know the importance of thisstuff back then.
We didn't know how importantthings under nails would be and
kits and etc.
We had no real idea howimportant this could be, and
this stuff does also degradeover time.
So it's really important.
Just how we handle this stuffdoes also like, degrade over

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time.
So it's really important.
Just how we handle this stuffis really important.
So all of these years later,they determined that this person
was responsible for whathappened to Claire.
Now I can't be more pointed insaying this that it's important

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that you know law enforcement.
Keep some of this stuff closeto the vest Right, because I
know that families oftentimesget frustrated and they say
things like well, what have youdone?
What progress have you made?
And a lot of times they'll say,well, we don't have any
developments right now, but theyknow things that they have to
keep to themselves, becauseoftentimes there's a lot of

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people who falsely confess.
We've seen it a number of times.
One case that comes to mindright now is like the John
Bonnet Ramsey case that has beenlanguishing for years and years
and years.
For those of you who are notaware, a little girl who was
found murdered in, and it stillremains unsolved to this day.
Why, I'm not quite sure.
There was a lot of evidencefound, but people have falsely

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claimed that they did this andso they know information and
they can rule people in or out.
And there are also a lot ofbananas basket case people who
want to inject themselves intostories, don't we know?
So all of these years later hercase was finally solved, what
the motive was, we will reallyhave no idea.
No one has to prove motive,right?

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He had a very violent past.
We know that.
The attempt, the home invasionthe woman in Hamilton testified
that he had broken into her home.
He did horrible things, veryviolent.
He fled after her son basicallytried to defend her.

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I just find it so incrediblethat after all this time that
her case has finally been solved, he was convicted, sent to
prison.
We don't know why.
Oftentimes we don't ever reallyknow why, why these people do
that, and I think that's alsopart of our interest in true
crime.
Right, we don't necessarilywant to know.

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I know some people do, they'recurious about what happens, but
I think a lot of us share thesame response as to what makes
people do this.
I think that's probably one ofthe first things that unites
everybody and their interest islike I want to really know why
people are this way.
I do.
I, I really do want to know whyI read probably some of the

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most bizarre things likeforensics and and crime scene
stuff.
I don't want, I don't need tosee the crime scene stuff.
I'm not interested in thebrutality of it.
I just really want to know.
Everybody watch Mindhunter.
That's exactly where myinterest lies.
Why do people do this?

(20:58):
I really wish that show wouldcome back and sidebar.
I keep seeing this thing onlinewhere, like season three of
Mindhunter is coming back and Isidebar um there's, I keep
seeing this thing online.
We're like season three of mindhunters coming back and they
were like fuck you, it is notcoming back.
You're a goddamn liar, becausewe all wanted to come back
season three.
They were just getting into thebtk thing.
Still interested, he is adespicable human being, but I'm

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still really interested in whathappened.
Okay, familiar with the case ofJesus de la Cruz, lynn,
massachusetts, this little guydisappeared off the streets of
Lynn in 1996.
Now, I remember this casepretty well because it got quite
a bit of coverage at the time.
Excuse me, he was just six whenhe disappeared.

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He was walking down the samestreet that he lived on with his
mom.
He was last seen, reportedlyabout 6 pm.
He was with another littlefriend who was older, a
nine-year-old child, headedtoward the Lynn Common.
If you're familiar with Lynn,where he lived on Park Street.
It was probably about asix-minute walk give or take.

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They learned of this littlefriend, this little boy, the
nine-year-old little boy whosaid that Jesus was pushing his
bicycle that had two flat tireswhen some man and his dog
approached them on the sidewalk.
Now, this person was prettyfamiliar to the area and one of

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the things that made him prettymemorable was his dog.
He had a dog with a white, I'massuming, the fur around his eye
and a brown fur around his eye.
So the dog was prettyrecognizable, the man probably
not so much, but the dog, yes,the dog was pretty recognizable,
the man probably not so much,but the dog yes.
So the man also had a bike andthe little nine-year-old boy

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with Jesus asked for the bikeand the man said no, I'm gonna
give the bike to him.
So the nine-year-old little boydid not go with the man and
Jesus because he, for whateverreason, the nine-year-old
decided to listen to his parentsthat day and his dad told him
to stick around.
Jesus is believed to have gonewith this man.

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He was never seen again afterthat.
In a piece in the Daily ItemLynn's Daily Item from the 20th
anniversary of his disappearance, he was not reported missing
until later, like past midnight.
His mom had come home.
She couldn't find him.
She went looking.

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He was nowhere to be found.
She called the police andreported him missing.
The man with the bike was knownto the neighborhood because of
the dog With the bike was knownto the neighborhood because of
the dog.
He was identified as a man namedRobert Levesque.
He was 26.
He was living on Western Ave inLynn at the time.
He was arrested at his parents'home in Lowell on unrelated

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offenses, some kind of motorvehicle offense.
He was held for several weeksand then evidently released.
But he was never charged inJesus's disappearance, despite
the fact that when they went tohis apartment they found a host
of things like duct tape,handcuffs, drumsticks I mean, he

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could have just been a drummer,but a hammer and the dog with
the unique markings.
So it all connected.
This is a picture of his mom.
Investigators learned that thisguy, levesque, had called out
sick from his job.
That night he was working atsome store in Marblehead.
So for those of us who are eventhe slightest bit familiar with

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how these things go, whensomebody commits a crime their
behavior changes.
We oftentimes see changes inpeople's appearance.
His behavior definitely changed.
He called out of work thatnight.
Jesus has been missing foralmost 30 years.
He was last seen wearing awhite t-shirt, blue jeans, brown

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and yellow boots or brownishyellow boots.
That was unclear to me.
He has a scar above his lefteye.
You can see it in his eyebrowif you look closely at the, if
you look closely at the poster.
He has birthmarks and hisdisappearance is is classified
as a non-family abductionbecause there have been a number

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of rumors about hisdisappearance over those years
and that's something thathappens.
There's speculation.
People like to try to armchairdetective this stuff, you know.
Okay, if you want to keep hisstory in the public eye, I guess

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I'll give you a pass with that,but making up things that
happened to a missing little boyisn't helpful for anyone.
The pond at the cemetery wasdrained.
Other ponds were searched,nothing turned up and I'm sure
there have been a number of tipsand information that has come
in since.

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His father did give a DNAsample, not till 2011.
Remember, the language and theunderstanding of this stuff
changed dramatically from the80s and 90s.
Right, we're seeing that eventoday, how people are now
understanding how this stuffworks.
So the dad did give a DNAsample in 2011.
It was uploaded to CODIS, whichis very important to have.

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Their CODIS checks DNA in thereagainst offenders.
Nothing so far has been matchedto him.
No, you know missing person.
No remains of anybody has beenfound to connect to Jesus.
After all this time, what do wethink happens?
I don't know what happened.
We know that there are I don'twant to get too deep into this

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because it's very dark but weknow that children got abducted
off of the streets and were, youknow, trafficked, etc.
Could this have happened toJesus?
It is possible.
Is it possible that this Leviteguy did something?
Yes, it's very possible.
Nick Mick created an ageprogression image of what he
might look like at 31 years ofage.

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That's the National Center forMissing and Exploited Children.
Oftentimes I hear that familiesaren't thrilled with the age
progression photos, but it'spossible that, if you know Jesus
was still here and with us,that he could be recognizable
and he has some features.

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He had that scar, he has somebirthmarks.
So we're always asking for tips, we're always asking for the
public to help share someinformation, and what that means
is sometimes relationshipschange People who may have been
keeping things quiet for a longtime because they may have been,
you know, bullied or threatenedby other people who are

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involved.
Relationships change and thensometimes people come forward
and say well, that person's gone.
I can tell you now these arehow a lot of cases are being
solved.
In addition to DNA, in additionto forensic science and
familial DNA, relationshipschange and people come forward
and they drop a dime.
They tell people what they know.

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We've seen a number of casesthat have gone this way.
Another Lynn story LoisCentifanti.
Back in 90, we're going back to1974.
Early summer day, clear day, 55degrees, 22-year-old Lois

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Centifanti was out first thingin the morning.
She was on a mission, she wasjob hunting.
She had been staying at thetime at the Charlestown YMCA,
despite the fact that her familywas, I think she was from.
She was from East Boston, butlike a lot of families, there
was something going on and shedidn't want to be at home.

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So she was staying at the ymcaand she was job hunting.
And back then you had to showup in person and fill out the
stupid application because therewasn't, nothing existed, like
it does today.
Imagine that you actually haveto go out and see people in
person pick up the phone.
She was from Orient Heights ofEast Boston and her brother

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talked about how she was a verytalented and wonderful person,
as people should.
She loved to play piano, shewas musically gifted, she was a
talented cook, she was aseamstress All that stuff is a
talent.
I got to say another sidebar.
There'll be a lot of thattonight.
Tell your kids it's okay to goto trade school, it's okay to

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learn something else, it's okayto be a plumber, because I'll
tell you what, when all theplumbers are gone, we're all
going to need a fucking plumber.
There's a great.
Yes, you can applaud that, I'lltake it.
There's a great South Parkepisode that I have talked about
, where I forget what it'scalled, but it's um.

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You know, randy is the, theoven door is broken and his
wife's, like Randy, fix the ovendoor and he doesn't know how.
So he wants to go and get someservice person to come and fix
it.
But the service people are richand busy because nobody knows
how to fix anything anymore.
So, as South Park does, theyflip the script and the next

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scene is all the business peopleare outside Home Depot with
their signs I will pay you$500,000 to come to my house and
fix something and all theservice.
People are like, nah, we'regood Because they're living
large, because people will givethem ridiculous amounts of money
to fix their stuff.
The moral to that story is weall need people who know how to

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fix stuff, because the world haschanged and for some reason,
people think that the only wayin life is to go to college.
No shade on college.
I get it.
It's good, you should go, allof those things but if you don't
want to go to college, don't goto college.

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Go to trade school and learnhow to fix stuff.
I know I'm probably speaking topeople who are beyond that, but
if you've got kids and they'rethinking they don't want to go
to college, it's OK that theydon't want to go to college.
Let them fix stuff for you.
And plumbers, by the way, makea lot of money any plumbers in
the house.
I don't need you to fixanything right now, but if I do,

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I know where to call you Buildstuff.
People need to know how tobuild stuff and fix stuff.
Lois's brother told the LynnDaly item that he saw his sister
the day before she died.
She had come by their house,their parents' house, to grab a
jacket before heading to a barin Revere called Jacob's Ladder.
Anybody know about Jacob'sLadder?
All right, I'm under theassumption that she was going

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there to apply for a job.
I'm not.
It's not clear to me.
I need stories about Jacob'sLadder, you guys.
And she was.
She told her family that thenext day she was going to Harbor
House and Lynn and this is apicture of Harbor House that I
lifted off the internet it looksreally fancy.
Did anybody go to Harbor House?

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Did it look like that?
Did it look that cool?
Okay, this is a.
This picture is amazing.
It was a lounge in a nightclubwhere, evidently, aerosmith
played in the late 90s.
Did anybody go see Aerosmith atthat harbor house?
An Aerosmith cover band?

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All right, and what I learnedabout?
Another part of what I loveabout doing this podcast is I
fall into like history rabbitholes and I learn about all the.
I never cared about historywhen I was a kid.
I never really cared aboutlearning anything when I was in
school, but now, as an adult, Ilove history and I love learning

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about things that happenedprimarily in New England,
because this is where we liveand this is where I love and I
don't really ever want to leave.
I don't know how you feel aboutbeing here, but I love it here.
I think it's the best, andyou're all from here and we get
to share these stories and welaugh about Jacob's ladder
nothing better than that I.
Then I learned that the harborhouse fell into bankruptcy and

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it was.
It sat it correct me if I'm butit sat like in disrepair for a
long time and then it burneddown to the ground.
It got caught up in this, likeyou know, two entities fighting
over it and it was bankrupt andthen it burned to the ground.
I did pull some pictures offthe internet, but we don't need

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to get into that right now.
So there is a small window oftime where Lois's movements are
mostly unaccounted for.
Where did she go and who didshe see?
That is a question.
That's a question of the ages,because we just don't know.
Around four o'clock thatThursday the same day she had

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gotten up really early, going tolook for a job and maybe went
to the harbor house.
Around four o'clock thatafternoon a fisherman found her
badly beaten body floating inLynn Harbor near General Edwards
Bridge and the public fishingpier.
So that's sort of a, you knowbird's eye view of what it
looked like.
I don't know when this wastaken, but anybody who drives

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that route across that bridgethis is familiar to you.
I did that a lot when I wasworking at FNX on Lynn Lynn Lynn
, the city of sin.
She was fully clothed.
According to her autopsy report, she had only been in the water
reportedly for a few hours.
She was covered in bruises herface, her neck, her jaw, around
her eyes but her cause of deathwas strangulation.

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Her murder remains unsolved morethan 50 years later, despite
reports of her friends receivingthreatening notes saying keep
your mouths shut.
What more is there's?
I'm sure there's much more tothe story that either the public
isn't privy to.
You know some of these people,all these years later, time is

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really running out for a lot ofthese folks.
She would be well into her 60snow.
We need people whoserelationships have shifted to
tell us what's going on.
And you know I I'm hoping thateven all these years, all those
years ago, although her body wasin the water, it's really
difficult for any dna to becaptured, to be present.

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Her murder remains unsolved.
What's sadder still about thatstory?
And I think I probably?
I can't recall if I, if I leftit in there or it didn't make,
it didn't make the cut on theslide, but Lois passed away.
But four years before Loispassed away, her brother, john,

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passed away unexpectedly.
So her family not only had todeal with the loss of her
brother, but then they have todeal with, four years later,
this horrible murder of theirdaughter, lois and their sibling
Lois.
No family deserves that.
No family deserves to gothrough that.

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Two losses One will take youout Two.
It's horrible.
We're staying in Lynn, folks.
We will leave Lynn, but we'restill in Lynn.
Leanne Redden was from Lynn.
She has been missing since 2013.
She was 37 when she disappeared.
Boston 25 News, also Bob Ward,is the best.

(36:59):
If you're familiar with BobWard, he is a reporter on Boston
25 News who digs deep into alot of these unsolved missing
persons cases.
He's a terrific guy.
He's phenomenal at what he does.
So he's not here, but yay, bobWard.
Leanne would regularly visit hermother and family in Lynn.

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She grew up in Lynn, livedthere really all of her life.
But on April 15, 2013, the dayof the Boston Marathon bombings,
leanne showed up at hermother's door with a new
boyfriend, an older man,reportedly from Saugus.
I don't know very much aboutthis man.
I don't know what the policelearned.

(37:45):
I don't know what investigatorslearned about this person.
It would take a little bit moredigging and research on my part
.
Strangely, this guy that waswith Leanne had made a statement
that he was going to marry herand help her.
So the story, the background.
There's a lot to Leanne, butone of the things that we do

(38:05):
have to mention is she battleddrug abuse for a long time and
anybody who's had a familymember that has dealt with this,
it is very painful foreverybody.
It's very painful for everybodyto watch.
So this man said in front ofLeanne's mother and Leanne I'm
going to marry her and help her.
Leanne didn't say anything.
Her mother, donna, was likewhat, who's this guy?

(38:29):
Who's this clown?
And Leanne's just like, yeah,whatever.
The next morning that boyfriendcalled Donna, her mom, telling
her that Leanne left him in themiddle of the night.
One week later, that boyfriendreturned Leanne's belongings to
her family's house.
Family and friends, as youwould imagine, were all alarmed.

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First of all, who's this clown?
Where's my sister and why areyou dropping all her stuff off?
They wouldn't get any answersto those questions.
Of course, he was verysuspicious.
Within months of Leanne'sdisappearance, that man died of
a suspected drug overdose.
Now you can connect those dotsright.

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If she had substance abuseproblems.
This person looks like he didas well.
He wasn't saving anybody fromanything.
As of 2023, investigators werestill looking at this person.
They searched the Saugus homewhere he was living, I guess, a
couple of times and then lastsummer, july 2024, state police

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from New Hampshire andMassachusetts gathered on a
small road in Barrington, newHampshire that's up there to
search the property of somebodyassociated with this boyfriend.
He had ties to this Barrington,new Hampshire area.
I remember hearing this in thenews that there was a search
taking place on this property inBarrington, new Hampshire, and

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one of the first things peoplestarted to say was oh, is it
related to Mara Murray's case?
Which is?
It's a Mara's case, if anybodyis not familiar.
She's been missing for 21 years.
She's from Hanson, mass.
She was a nursing student atUMass, amherst.
For some reason she, for somereason her family still to this

(40:21):
day is not aware of, for somereason her family still to this
day is not aware of left schooltelling her professors that she
had a death in the family andshe headed north, ended up in
Haverhill, new Hampshire.
She did not have a death in thefamily.
Nobody knows what was going on.
She had a really a pretty minoraccident on the side of the

(40:41):
road in New Hampshire.
Locals stopped to help her.
She said no, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine.
I called AAA, I'm fine.
Well, I've been to Haverhill,new Hampshire.
There's still no cell phoneservice to this day.
So, you know, neighbors saidwe'll help you.
No, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'mfine.
Still, neighbors went andcalled the police.
Anyway, the police showed up Anumber of minutes later.

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Maura was gone, disappeared,never seen ever again.
Still today and her family aresoldiers for her.
They will not stop looking forher.
They're not going to stop.
They're not going to stop.
They're very good people.
I know her sister, I met herdad.
They're very good people andthey're dedicated to finding out

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what happened to Mara.
They do not believe she's alive.
They believe she met with foulplay.
So when this search started,when you can see that there's,
you know these helicoptersflying overhead when the search
made the news, peopleimmediately connected that
because why wouldn't you right?
It was for Leanne.
Subsequently, there's no newsthat came connected that because

(41:45):
why wouldn't you right?
It was for leanne.
Subsequently, there's no newsthat came from that.
So leanne described as 5'2, 105pounds, curly black hair, blue
eyes.
She had very distinctivetattoos, one of a cross with
words, forgive me, father on herupper back, sunflower tattoo on
her lower back you can say atramp stamp, because I think she
would laugh about it too and atattoo across her fingers,

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across her middle finger of herleft hand.
So all of that information isimportant, despite the fact that
it's been all of these yearslater.
If she had been found sooner,they could have helped to
identify her.
Where is she today?
We all wish that we knew so,leanne.
It's just sad to know that thisperson whomever this person is

(42:33):
sounds like they decided whatthey were going to do and
probably caused harm to her.
Looks like the case right.
So this story.
I had been really wonderingwhat happened, because when I
heard the story of Joel I'lltell you the background on this
Young guy, 24 years old, wentout to a party in Chelsea.

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He was from Lynn.
He went out to a party inChelsea.
I actually spoke to a detectiveabout this.
I recently went to an eventwith the Mass State Police
Unsolved Case Unit in the BostonPolice Cold Case Unit and I
asked them questions about thesecases.
And I asked one of thequestions I asked about.
We actually talked aboutLeanne's case.
I asked about Joel.

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He went by Joel, I asked abouthis case and I said tell me
about this young man.
He was at a party in Chelsea.
He left the party in chelsea.
He took a lift.
He was missing supposedly.
He got out during the ride andthe detective gave me a little
bit information.
Of course they're careful withwhat they share with you.
The detective said he was inthe lift.

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He was let out of the lift, theI don't know what you call it.
The drive ended at a certaintime.
It was about was it even 20minutes from Chelsea to Lynn
where he was going to go.
He got in the car in Chelsea.
The ride ended 14 minutes laterat 3 56 am.

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Then a call a 911 call came infrom his phone to revere police.
It cut off.
Revere police say they tried tocontact him again.
They were unsuccessful.
They began searching thatthursday it was.
A couple of days went by, so Idon't really know the details

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there.
They were looking for evidencerelated to the disappearance of
Joel de los Reyes in themarshland off of 107.
He was found five days laterafter he left that party.
Divers with the Mass StatePolice diving crew located him
in the Rumney Marsh Reservationalong Route 107 in Revere

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shortly after 8.30 on FridayJune 16th.
He was missing from essentiallySunday morning until they
located him on Friday, I believe.
For a period of time his phonewas pinging but then it stopped,
so they knew sort of where tolook for him.
So my question to the detectivewas well, what happened?

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What do you suspect happened?
Chelsea Delin is approximately23 minutes.
I Google mapped it because I'mnot really kind of a detective.
I Google shit.
The marsh was approximately 16minutes from the Chelsea address
.
So I'm always thinking aboutthese like detective E things.
Yes, I said it, I'm thinking.

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I try to think about how, how,uh, an investigator might look
at things and if it's a 23minute drive.
But after 16 minutes does itall add up?
Yeah, kind of does.
And I spoke with the detectivefamiliar with the case and they
said this yeah, kind of does.
And I spoke with the detectivefamiliar with the case and they
said this he wasn't much of adrinker.
He was believed and he had afew drinks that night and,

(45:50):
instead of the friends havinghim stay, he called the car to
get home to Lynn and it soundsas though he may have gotten
sick or was maybe going to getsick in the car and either he
wanted to get out or the driversaid get out, don't puke in my
car.
I mean, we've all taken a car,right, we've all been with not

(46:11):
us necessarily, but been withsomebody who was on drinker.
They don't they clearly don'twant you to throw up in their
car.
Um, so I'm gonna venture aguess that either joel get me
out, I'm going to be sick or hewas tossed.
We don't know.
Here's one of the many questionsthat I have and the general
public probably does too.
Did he get out on his own?

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Did he get lost?
Was he inebriated to the pointwhere he didn't know his
surroundings?
It's very possible.
We don't know.
Did he drop his phone?
Did he fall into the water?
What happened?
What was his blood alcohollevel?
We don't know.
I mean, the family has a rightto not share any of this
information, but I did want toknow because oftentimes, when

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you do what I do somethinghappens.
You're concerned about whathappened with that individual
and sometimes no news is everavailable, ever again, and the
family has that right.
As we understand it, his deathis believed to be accidental.
But I want to know what didthat lift driver say?
Did they find that lift driver?

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Did they interview that liftdriver?
I'm hoping so, but all Lyftdriver has to say is he was
getting sick so I let him out onthe side of the road and he
fell in the marsh and he nevermade it out and his parents, his
family, as you would guess, hada lot of concerns about that.
It has been ruled accidental asof right now.

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So the last time I was here, Ihad a long list of cases that I
was hoping to cover, one ofwhich was the Karen Sharp case.
Now, for those of you who arenot aware of the Karen Sharp
case out of Wenham, I'll giveyou a little bit of a background
, and I have you know, I pulledsome information.
Karen Sharp was a mom fromGloucester, her husband, who she

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was with for a very long time.
They were like collegesweethearts.
They got married very young.
They had a daughter very young.
They were like 18 and 19 whenthey got married.
He was a Harvard-educateddermatologist.
He had his own practicepractice.
He was associated with a fewhospitals and then he started

(48:27):
his own dermatology office and Iknow some of you here may have
somebody last at last show wasone of his clients.
Is she here?
Oh, she was sitting like overhere, but she was like I was one
of his clients.
He had, you know, back in whenthis happened in the in the late
90s, 2000s, uh like, laser hairremoval wasn't what it is now

(48:49):
like.
Now you can just order a laserhair removal thing on the
internet and it shows up, butback then it was like sort of
this new technology and he wasstarting to open these laser
hair removal places, you knowthrough his dermatology practice
.
So they were very successful.
And Karen Sharp was a nurse.

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She was a licensed nurse butshe was also helping her husband
with his business.
Her focus was always on herfamily.
She had an older daughter whowas an adult by the time she was
killed, and she had two smallerchildren I believe there were
seven and five when she waskilled.
Her husband, over the course ofmany months, had started to get

(49:34):
more and more violence andcontrolling in the months
leading up to her death she hadbeen making.
She would have been apologizingfor her husband's very strange
behavior when they were aroundfriends.
She wanted to leave, she wantedto leave him.
It got to be enough.
She moved out of theirGloucester house.
She was in the process ofbuilding a house in Wenham.

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I believe that's the house thatshe was killed in.
I don't know the chronology ofwhen the house was started, when
it was finished, but she movedfrom Gloucester to Wenham.
She had taken out a restrainingorder.
She had renewed the restrainingorder shortly before she was
murdered.

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Her adult daughter had spokenabout like during the trial.
Her adult daughter had saidthings about how she had
witnessed her father stabbingthe mother with a fork.
I mean, it just was gettingvery, very ugly, despite the
fact that they were together.
All of these years almost 30years they were together.
He started changing.
She wanted to divorce and then,on the evening of July 14, 2000

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, he showed up.
His name is Richard Sharp.
I don't give a lot of attentionto perpetrators like this but
for the sake of context, hisname was Richard Sharp.
That's probably familiar to youthose of you who are from the
area, that might ring a bell.
On July 14th 2000,.
Karen's family and her children, I'm sure, were there witnessed

(51:02):
.
When he showed up at her househe confronted her and pulled out
a rifle and shot her in thechest and she died and
unfortunately, like a lot ofthese cases go.
There's only one picture ofKaren Sharp that's accessible on
the internet.
Everything else is about theperson who murdered her.

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He killed her, he vanished.
He was found and arrested twodays later at a motel in
Tuftonboro, new Hampshire.
Used his own credit cards tocheck in, didn't even give a
fake name.
He had run that successfuldermatology practice.
He was affiliated with BethIsrael.
He was associated with theGlossier Hospital, beverly

(51:45):
Hospital.
He earned a lot of money.
He had the chain ofcosmetically as a hair removal
places.
Her daughter, her grown daughter, had to witness some of this
abuse that she went through.
After that incident the attackwith the fork he was caught and
briefly institutionalized andpressured Karen not to press any

(52:09):
charges.
Court records are sealed andhis behavior came worse and
worse over time.
He brought strange things tothe house like pipes and duct
tape.
It scared Karen, as it should.
She was worried about hersafety and the safety of her
family she would apologize forhow rude he would be.
She left the Gloucester home,went to Wenham, she got the

(52:32):
restraining order and here'swhere.
Look.
You know, murder is horribleand horrendous, but really what
pushed this case to theforefront, where it made
national attention, is thesalacious headlines that
everybody wrote, and we knowthis happens Calling him a
cross-dresser.

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Our language has changed.
Now would probably beconsidered transgender.
I don't know anything aboutthis person to even be able to
tell you what they were about.
I truly don't know.
The doc was self-prescribinghormones and abusing lots of
medication, but I have transfriends and they're pretty

(53:16):
awesome and they're not amonster like this person.
So there was definitelysomething else going on here.
Why did he do it?
Prosecutors say he was angryover the prospect of losing $3
million in a divorce settlement.
I don't know where the $3million figure comes from and,
as we know, his arrest drewnational attention because they

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started sharing photographs ofthe doc wearing dresses, wigs,
stockings, et cetera.
Karen had said in earlieraffidavits that she was missing
birth control pills.
The doc was taking them as away to transition.
A doctor has much more accessto things, so I don't quite

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understand.
But what's to understand he's amurderer.
At his trial the doc testifiedabout cross-dressing at a young
age.
Father was very abusive,apparently.
The defense psychiatrist saidthat they suffered from
disorders depression,intermittent explosive disorder
which causes bursts of rage andaggression and alcohol made them

(54:23):
worse and combined with all ofthe drugs that the doctor had
access to, it just sounds likean absolute disaster in the
making.
Clearly that's how it turnedout.
The prosecutor said that thedoctor faked the symptoms of
mental illness and I've doneepisodes about people like this.

(54:45):
They called them malingerers,right?
If anybody's heard the episodesI did about the Wakefields
technology, what was it called?
Yes, yes, edgewater Technologyis the name of the company at
the time in Wakefield.
This person planned this masskilling.
The day after Christmas heplanned this mass killing and

(55:07):
pretend like looked up things tofake mental illness.
He was just pissed off that theaccountant was going to attach
his wages for back taxes, so hedecided to kill everybody the
day after Christmas.
A malingerer, and that's reallywhat he was called, even in
court.
So the story of Karen Sharp isnot that different.

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I mean there's a lot ofextenuating circumstances.
That's different than theMichael Mucko story.
But prosecutors say that thedoctor faked it, that it wasn't
in a burst of rage, that heplanned the murder after she
left him and that he was goingto lose millions of dollars in a

(55:48):
divorce.
Here's a timeline of the caseJuly 14, 2000, karen Sharp is
shot and killed.
Two days later, richard Sharpis arrested.
Four days later, karen Sharp'sfamily follows a wrongful death
suit against Richard Sharp.
Four days later, karen Sharp'sfamily follows a wrongful death
suit against Richard Sharp.
July 2001, a fellow inmateaccuses Sharp of offering him $1

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million to help Sharp escapefrom prison In 2000,.
He is charged with murder, heldwithout bail.
In November 2001, sharp isconvicted of first-degree murder
, sentenced to life in prison.
December, a wrongful death suitis settled for five million

(56:32):
dollars.
So you murdered Karen Sharpbecause you thought you were
gonna lose three million dollars.
You go to prison for life andyou lose $5 million.
There's an attempt.
There's a suicide attempt inspring of 2002.
Fast forward.

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I'm sure a lot of otherwhack-ass things happened in
that time frame.
Fellow inmate says he and Sharpplotted to kill Sharp's
prosecutor.
Sharp is found not guilty, ischarged, found not guilty and
then in January 2009, sharp isfound hanged by a bed sheet in a
cell.

(57:14):
Too bad, so sad, I don't know.
I have a lot of compassion, butyou killed someone and you
didn't need to do that.
You could have just walked awayfrom that, but who knows what
was going on in that person'smind.
So here's here's where I haveto make fun, because you have
people that like you see it, onDateline, right, dateline is

(57:35):
like the preeminent you knowstoryteller in this case, right?
Well, you know, she was havingthe husband and the wife was
having an affair and theythought, oh, I don't want to get
divorced and lose that money.
I know I'll hire a hitman orI'll kill him and make it look
like an accident and then I'llget all this money, this

(57:57):
insurance money.
You idiot, you always getcaught.
Oh and, by the way, people whokill somebody for like 150 grand
, that's never enough money.
There's not enough money in theworld, by the way, for me to
kill anybody.
But they're like, oh, I'm goingto have them killed and I'm
going to get 150 grand.
That is not a lot of money,really.

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People are just utterlypathetic who think that way.
But I think you know where I'mgoing with this.
You always get caught.
There wouldn't be a Datelinegoing on, for what are we like?
50 seasons of Dateline ifpeople were smart and I watch
Dateline, I'm a big fan Okay,we're doing.
Okay, time-wise, all right.

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Henry Bedard Jr of Swampscottthis is a case that we touched
on a little bit at the last showand I still.
I would really like anopportunity to research more
about Henry's case and I will dothat in a future episode.
But 15 years old, fromSwampscott, the community still

(59:01):
is haunted by this case and Ihear people have spoken about it
.
It was December 1974.
He was doing some Christmasshopping.
Never made it home.
He was a 15-year-old sophomore.
Stopped at CVS to get his sistersome perfume, 1976, what do you
think the perfume was?
Was taboo around.
Sweet honesty, babies, love,babies.

(59:24):
What was that?
Babies look soft, loves, babiessoft.
Yes, when I was reading aboutthis, I'm like, because this is
how mine, mine, works, what kindof perfume was he getting his
sister in 1976?
Oh, 1974.
Gina Tay, yeah, anjoli.
Gina Tay, yeah, anjoli.

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Remember Anjoli, that'sprobably around then.
Emerude my grandmother hadEmerude.
That smelled rude.
Remember that stuff?
That stuff was rude, taboo.
I used to wear taboo when I waslittle.
I did so.
I always wonder what did he buyfor her.
He was last seen walking in awooded area by the town's

(01:00:06):
Department of Public Works.
His body was later discoveredburied in a pile of leaves
overlooking a DPW.
He had been beaten to death andit's horrible to even imagine,
but a Louisville Sluggerbaseball bat was found nearby
and the killer has not beencaught all of these years later.
Now I know so.

(01:00:28):
This photograph was releasedlater.
50 years later, they're stillseeking to revive this cold case
and they need help.
Investigators need help.
This is a piece of evidencethat was collected the baseball
bat, which has this they call ita cryptic marking carved into
it.
I know that there's been a lotof conjecture about this.

(01:00:51):
Of course, why wouldn't therebe?
But what does that mean?
Who did it come from?
What did they discover?
What did they discover at thatcrime scene?
Who was involved and what dopeople who are still around the
area know?
Now I know that somebody hassaid it, and maybe it was one of

(01:01:11):
you who were here last show,because somebody brought it up
and said that there are peoplein the town yes, there are
people in the town that areterrified of one person that
they believe is associated withthis case.
Who that person is.
I don't know, and I would bereally careful to name them in
public anyway, but there wassomebody that they believe was

(01:01:32):
associated with that murder andit still remains like.
First of all, what did a15-year-old kid do?
Nothing.
Did someone just get pissed offat a kid in junior high and go
after them?
It seems completely plausiblethat that person may still be

(01:01:53):
there.
Yes, wow, wow, aha.
A rival, a rival.

(01:02:18):
You don't have to name them.
But there's a person that wasidentified as the jealous one,
right, right, right, right,right, right, right, right,
right, uh-huh.

(01:02:47):
Do you have you heard that?
That those kind of whispersthat whomever was in charge of
the investigation may have beenconnected to who they think
perpetrated the crime?
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

(01:03:09):
That's very plausible nepotismin a small town police
department.
Are you kidding?
What I heard, canton?
I heard that.

(01:03:32):
Well, that's importantinformation, because we man, I
wish people would talk.
I wish people would drop a dime, an anonymous tip.
You know, I know, I know thatyou know, when you do this, or
you know just even people whohave even the slightest bit of
interest in crime at all, youget to understand that there's

(01:03:54):
information that gets shared,that is fact-based, and
sometimes people just want toglom onto the story and include
them, you know, just injectthemselves into it.
But a lot of times, even casesthat are this old, from the 70s,
still get tips Still to thisday, and I really, really wish

(01:04:16):
that people would not, withknowledge of something like this
, would just come out with it.
People with knowledge ofsomething like this would just
come out with it Somewhere alongthe line.
I heard this last time at ourlast show here in October, where
somebody said that there's somefear among certain citizens of
a person and that's sad.
Was that you?

(01:04:36):
Yeah, wow, so Henry's bestfriend has information and
they're scared.
Oh, hmm, yeah, yeah, mm-hmm,mm-hmm, yeah, mm-hmm.

(01:05:18):
It happens too much.
It happens too much wherepeople are threatened and people
some people don't want to getinvolved.
They know information.
You know I I have spoken aboutthis a lot the case of charlene
rosemond, a woman who was foundmurdered in somerville.

(01:05:39):
Her family believes that they,that she knew who killed her and
that it's a situation where noone wants to be the snitch.
It's like a woman is dead and afamily is grieving.
You need to snitch.
Don't call it snitching, callit being a responsible human
being human being, it's tough tohear these stories and to know

(01:06:05):
that families are in pain, stillLike it's 1974, right, I mean,
these relatives are gone,families are gone, everybody
knows who that bat belongs toand still, to this day, nothing

(01:06:26):
has been done.
So your, so your informationabout a family connection, that
rings true.
I mean, that's common sense.
It's not just me being my, youknow, putting my weirdo kind of
an investigator hat on thatstuff rings true.
Nepotism in a small town that'sgoing to be the name of the book

(01:06:47):
.
Nepotism in a small town.
You're absolutely right.
Thank you for that, because Iremember when you told me that
story is that people know inSwampscott, in the area and, by
the way, my mom was born inSwampscott and she calls it
Swampskit, swampskit area, thatand, by the way, my mom was born
in swamps got and she calls itswamps get, swamps get.
My mom grew up in salem.

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So I am, you know, I don't livethat far away from here, but I
you know.
So you know that that's another, that's another situation where
, 1974, this kid was killed.
Nobody wants to talk.
You just hope that a deathbedconfession, right, this person

(01:07:30):
who did it is probably nevergoing to say anything ever.
They feel like they got awaywith the perfect crime.
Wow.
So his family is still alive,the perpetrator's family is
still alive, the perpetrator'sfamily is still alive and in the
area.
But that wow, and the familywon't.
The family won't say anything.

(01:07:50):
Well, because they could beimplicated, right, if they knew,
if a family, if the families,kept that secret for all this
and that's another fascinatingquestion because, again, this is
how my mind works I'm going tomention another very, very, very
publicized case Gabby Petitocase.
We know what happened there,that Brian Laundrie murdered

(01:08:12):
Gabby Petito and buried her inthe desert and came back to his
family in Florida and his familyin Florida knew and protected
him.
But you know what GabbyPetito's family really would my
words, not theirs, but you knowthat they would want that family
prosecuted and I have reason tobelieve they've tried.

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But Brian Laundrie's family isnot going to face any legal
consequences to what happens.
How do they lay their head ontheir pillow at night protecting
their son that way?
It's got to be really painfulthat he subsequently took his
own life, but how in the world?

(01:08:58):
I just can't fathom it.
Knowing how painful it is forfamilies, I don't know, where do
your values stand?
Right, I know a lot of familieswould like to protect their kid
.
But murder, I don't know.
Murder, that outweighseverything.
For me it's an open secret.

(01:09:20):
That's a really great way toput it stacy an open secret and
it looks like that's what'shappening, happened in swamskit.
There's been an open secret fora lot, a lot, a lot of years and
I can't actually blame somepeople for not really.
You know, some people are likewell, I don't know exactly.
I just heard hearsay doesn'tstand up in court but

(01:09:42):
investigators know enough of thefacts of the case where they
could connect that stuff.
I was just talking about thisearlier with my friend Jean that
some people know and the copswon't move on it.
But then other times it takessomething like you know somebody
really being adamant and havingthat conviction right to take

(01:10:07):
that stand right.
It didn't happen in the BrianLaundrie case for sure.
Yeah, I mean there comes apoint where people sort of
detach from it.
Right, and you know it's beensince 1974.
I mean, look at how the worldhas changed.
I certainly don't know what theauthorities know, what kind of

(01:10:29):
DNA evidence or whatever, and wewho knows they could be working
behind the scenes.
Look what happened in theClaire Gravel case.
They have been searching, youknow, they've been investigating
that person for more than 10years and they cracked the case
at last.
Right.
I'd love to think that Henry'scase will eventually be solved.

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Will somebody be brought tojustice?
No, because it sounds likewhomever this person is is no
longer walking the earth.
But I would love for his family, whoever's left, to be able to
say we finally know whathappened.
That's my wish for everyone,and I'm pretty sarcastic, but I
do believe in my heart thatcases can be solved because

(01:11:14):
we're seeing it right, evencases that are more than what?
Going?
51 years that Henry's been gone.
Am I math right?
Okay, question marks.
Am I math right?
More than 50 years that he'sbeen gone?
Cases do get solved after 50years.
We've seen it and I always holdout hope for that, always hold

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out hope, always hold out hope.
That's part one of our show fromOff Cabot in Beverly, mass, on
Thursday night, march 13th.
It was a sold out show, ourfirst sold out show in this
series of live shows since Istarted Well, since I started

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