August 19, 2024 • 30 mins
A young mother was shot and killed while recording a TikTok with a friend - who police say confessed to the crime.
Plus, why investigators are looking for the owners of a rare Smith & Wesson gun.
This week, we're drinking Mont Gravet's Rosé.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to Crime Overwine Weekly. It is Monday, August nineteenth.
I'm Michelle Harron. Here are your crime headlines. South Carolina
Supreme Court has agreed to hear Alec Murdoch's appeal the
convicted killer and disgraced attorneys currently serving two life sentences
for the murders of his wife and son. The grounds
(00:25):
for the appeal centers around a juror who allegedly heard
inappropriate comments from the court clerk about the case. A
mother and her boyfriend will appear before a judge this
week on charges in one of the worst child abuse
cases investigators in Michigan have ever seen. Six year old
Giovanni Jennings, who went by Chulo, died from blunt force
(00:47):
trauma to the abdomen and a perforated bowel after a
lengthy period of confinement and abuse. Investigators say the child
died on August thirty first, after he was found confined, beaten,
and bound to the wall using a staple gun. Prosecutors
in New Mexico are asking for the State Supreme Court
to decide if video and statements in the Alexi Treviso
(01:11):
case will be allowed in court. The high school teenager
was supposed to go on trial this month for first
degree murder and tampering with evidence after she allegedly gave
birth in a hospital bathroom and placed the baby inside
of a trash can in twenty twenty three. Defense attorneys
argue Hippa and Miranda Loss for hibbit the evidence from
(01:32):
being used. Hello, and welcome to Crime Overwine Weekly, your
place to get caught up on all of the latest
crime headlines while sipping on your new favorite bottle of wine.
We are joined by the often imitated, never duplicated Heather Holly.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Hello Heather, how are you?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Oh Hi? You always have the nicest things to say
about me.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Well, you know, lots of people try to be you,
but they never measure up to the original the og.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
So that's who you are.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Well, thank you, thank you? Oh gosh, no, no, no, no, no,
what did Aaron Bursey? I am inimitable. There we go.
It's in Hamilton. It's in Hamilton. Stop looking at me
like that. Liam.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
For a second, I thought you had already cracked open
our bottle.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Of wine this week, opened it, a pored it. Haven't
drink it.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I have not either, So let's go ahead and get
to this because I'm excited about this one. Uh. This
week we are drinking mont Gravit rose. We haven't had
a rose in a while, so uh. This one is
described as a wonderfully fresh and fruit forward dry rose wine.
The wine has lovely aromas of raspberry and BlackBerry and
(02:50):
is full body and long on the palate.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
So cheers to you, Heather, cheers.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I'm just gonna go ahead and disagree with the lovely
aroma part though.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, it doesn't really smell that good. Ooh, but I
do like it.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
That's interesting. It doesn't taste like a rose. This doesn't
taste like I think. We've only had two rosees so far,
but this doesn't taste like either of those.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I wouldn't describe it as a dry though. I mean
that's what the description said, but to me, it's not dry.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
But it is very good.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I like it, and I did a hefty poor this week.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
So sure. Because it says it's the aromas of raspberry
and BlackBerry, not necessarily the flavors of I'm like, my
brain wants to say it tastes like cantalope, but I
know that's not right. Canilop's not right, But it's not
raspberry or whatever. That other one was BlackBerry.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
I don't know if there's ever been a just a
wine description with cantilope in it. That's why I love
your descriptions.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Jury is out on this one. I don't know, don't
hate it, don't love it. I will be revisiting, revisiting
my thoughts on this.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Okay. So we have some really really exciting news.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
If you haven't already heard, Crime.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Over Wine is back with Liam Collins, the world famous.
So he kind of took a little break, had a
lot going on in life and just took a little
bit of a pause. But he's always been in the background,
but he's back and he has been like not only
(04:27):
working on Crime over Wine with insane cases, but there's
some new things.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
That he's bringing to our little vineyard, right.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Heather, Yes, Yes, Yes, very exciting things. So this Wednesday,
two days from now, Crime over Wine Wednesday returns with
a brand new episode with Liam, and we're also going
to have a monthly newsletter where you can sign up
at Crimeoverwine dot com and you're gonna have our wine recommendations,
(04:57):
exclusive cases that you can take action on. That's a
big part of why the three of us do this
is cases that you can advocate for victims, you can
help find missing people's that's what this is here for.
And in the end of it, so all of that's
going to be in the monthly newsletters, So go ahead
(05:18):
and sign up for that. It'll be dropping soon. And
then I think what I might be most excited about,
me too, merch.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yes, I can't wait for that store to open up.
Like my mom has already like been asking me like
is it up yet?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Is it up yet? Is it up yet?
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Because she wants to go and buy stuff. So yeah,
you can find all of your Crime over Wine merch
and you can be wearing shirts, you can stick the stickers,
you know, all the things and help support and show
off that you are a Crime over Wine fan.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Seeing some of the prototypes and they're heck and cute.
Even if I wasn't part of this podcast, I would
buy it, so you should too.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yes, So you can find that at Crimeoverwine dot com
slash store. While you're there, just take a gander of
the Crime over Wine website because I feel like we
don't push that enough, but it is something that I
know Liam has worked really really hard on putting together
and keeping updated, and so that's also another way that
(06:22):
you can fulfill your true crime.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
I was gonna say, shantasy's but that's weird. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah, I don't know. It's not that kind of podcast.
You just summoned the book talk people. Oops. Oops. Do
you want to live out your fantasies and a vineyard
full of crime? You've come to the wrong place. This
is not what we're here for. And also we're not
(06:55):
going anywhere either. Crime over One Weekly will still drop
on Mondays, but you'll also have those full in depth
Crime over Wine episodes that drop on Wednesdays with Liam
and a rotating co host. So double wine woop whoop.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah, you're getting more wine recommendations, you're getting more cases
that haven't been solved or are just head scratching, and
you're also just getting like the expertise of the experience
that Liam brings to the table with his background as
a journalist and the people that he brings on and
(07:33):
they talk about the cases. So it's just it's.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
More and more and more of all the things that
we love.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
And true crime and wine related.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Yeah, we're like the Monday sampler platter. And he's the
full entree on Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
So getting you through the week.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah, and on Fridays we can just drink and cry together.
Maybe no, no one wants to do that. Okay, Well,
you know what, we do have a lot of other
stuff happening in this episode, Like we have more than
just announcements. We do have more content here. So to
come on Crime over Wine Weekly. A man vanished in Savannah,
(08:11):
Georgia two years ago. Why his family and police think
something happened to him. Plus, a young mother was shot
and killed while recording a TikTok with her friend, who
police say confessed to the murder.
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Speaker 1 (09:33):
Investigators in Washington, DC are asking for the public's help
finding a woman who went missing twenty years ago. Gwendolen
Carswell was forty four when she went missing from Northeast
DC in two thousand and four. Gwendolen, also known as Gwenny,
was a mother and had many friends and family who
told police she suddenly stopped communicating with her children, which
(09:56):
was out of character for her. Police believe the person
or p responsible for Gwendolen's disappearance may have ties to
the area, and that she may have been targeted by
someone who knew her. Police are asking for anyone who
may have noticed odd behaviors, changes in mood, or sudden
departure or unexplained injuries or disposing of property from someone
(10:18):
they know to come forward. Anyone who reports information can
remain anonymous. If you have any information about Gwendolen, call
police at two zero two seven two seven ninety ninety nine.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Deontay Cash Robertson vanished from Savannah, Georgia, two years ago.
He was last seeing August eleventh, twenty twenty two. Authorities
haven't shared any details surrounding his disappearance. Savannah Police and
Deonta's family held a news conference about a month after
he went missing. At that time, s PD said they
believe something did happen to Deontay and asked for the
community's help to find him. His family described him as loving, funny,
(10:56):
and talented. They said Deontay wouldn't have just walked away
from their close knit family. Deontay was thirty two years
old when he went missing. He's described as a black
man with brown eyes and short black hair. He's five
foot ten and about one hundred and fifty pounds. He
was last seen wearing a white tshirt with red and
orange riding and army green jeans. His car is also missing.
(11:19):
It's a tan Mercury Marquis with a Georgia tag if
you know anything about Deontay Robertson's whereabouts, called Savannah Police
at nine one two sixty five, one six six seventy
five and turning to the case of the week here
that I'm going to highlight an Indiana woman was shot
and killed while filming a TikTok video, and it appears
jealousy was a key motive. Police responded to a shooting
(11:42):
at a New Albany apartment last Saturday. The victim, twenty
five year old Caitlin Lee, was taken to the hospital
where she died. According to court documents, Caitlyn and her
friend were recording a TikTok when they heard banging on
the window. Caitlyn said what are you doing here? Just
before she was shot several times. Detectives were able to
watch the TikTok video, which captured most of the incident.
(12:04):
On top of having this evidence, investigators also received a
confession very quickly. Joshua Thompson called nine one one, saying
he killed Caitlyn and would turn himself in. Caitlyn and
Joshua had a prior relationship and a one year old child. Together.
He told investigators he went to the apartment to see
if Caitlyn was with any men. Caitlyn's aunt spoke to
Wave about the pair's history. She said Caitlyn had moved
(12:27):
three times in the last four months trying to get
away from Joshua. The aunt says their relationship ended in
April after Joshua was arrested for beating Caitlyn. An order
of protection was also issued at this time, meaning Joshua
wasn't supposed to be anywhere near Caitlyn. Caitlyn's friend told
police that she previously said if she was ever killed,
it would be Joshua, and according to court documents, Joshua
(12:50):
told investigators he knew there was an order protection in place,
but he still chose to go to the apartment. Joshua
Thompson is charged with murder and vavision of privacy, criminal recklessness,
and unlawful carrying of a hand gun. He's being held
without bond until his trial. Kaitlyn Lee was laid to
rest last Thursday, and she leaves behind three young children.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
This is heartbreaking.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I mean, Caitlyn did everything she was supposed to do.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Yeah, it feels like that happens with domestic cases a
lot where you'll hear the reporting where they talk to
family members afterwards, and it's they had an order of protection,
but it's just a piece of paper. It doesn't protect them.
So it's it's one of those things that it's hard
to have faith in the justice system when you're doing
(13:35):
the right things and you have everything in place that's
supposed to protect you. But they're right, it is a
piece of paper. It's not going to do much. But
I do want to highlight a new law that is
an effect in Tennessee that would put GPS monitors on
domestic violence offenders so they're more able to be tracked.
The victim would be like alerted if they get within
(13:57):
a proximity. So it's it's a heartbreaking theme, but at
least lawmakers and law enforcement are taking steps to figure
out what you can do.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah, hopefully more states will create laws that are similar
and adopt them so that situations like this don't happen.
I mean, a twenty five year old mom and is
just and she's she's had to move moving that many
(14:32):
times in just a few months with three kids, Like
I can't even imagine that, you know, But then to
and to get the order product, you know, to take
all of these steps. I can only imagine how scared
she was, you know. And here she is just trying
to have a little bit of fun with a friend
making a TikTok video, you know, and she bam loses
(14:58):
her life that quickly, Like those situations should not happen.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
No, it shouldn't. And that that moment where she told
her friend previously that if she died it was gonna
be because of him, and like knowing in your gut
that it's a potential to happen, she must have never
felt safe. M wow. And I do want to clarify
(15:24):
they the TikTok was still recording, it wasn't ever published. Yeah,
so this wasn't like posted where people watched her get killed.
It was recorded and saved, but not published. Detectives were
able to watch it, and the court documents described what
the video captured, but it's not out there for the
(15:47):
general publicacy.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Well, and it at least there was that, you know
what I mean, because a lot of domestic violence cases
there's not something like that, you know, that is direct
evidence showing what happened. So potentially, had there not been
that TikTok video.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
This could have ended up a cold.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Case, you know, yeah, except he called them the same
night and confessed. He called nine one one the same
night and confessed to it. Wow, so like good, they
have that solid evidence. But he already sat down and
told him everything. He's like, yep, knew there was an
(16:31):
order of protection. I wanted to see if she was
with other men, so I went there and they recovered
the gun.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
From outside the window.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
So wow, it was all just laid out right there.
But in many domestic violence cases, it's not. If you're
experiencing domestic violence, you can call the National Domestic Violence
Hotline at one eight hundred seven nine to nine, seven
to two three three. It's free, confidential and available twenty
four to seven. You can also visit their website, the
(17:01):
hotline dot org.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Coming up on Crime over Wine Weekly, it's been forty
seven years since a teenage girl was last seen at
her job at an Ohio gas station. Plus investigators are
looking for gun owners of a rare Smith and Wesson
find out why when we come back.
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Speaker 3 (18:34):
A pregnant, nineteen year old woman disappeared from a US
Army base in Hawaii two weeks ago. Now her family
is trying to expand the search for her. Misha Johnson
was last seen at her chaffield Barracks home on July
thirty first. She's married to a soldier station there right now.
The Army's Criminal Investigation Unit is offering a ten thousand
dollar reward for information on Misha's whereabouts. HNN reports the
(18:58):
Army didn't answer when asked if there are any suspects
or leads. Instead, they issued a statement that says, in
part quote, locating Misha's support to the family and the
safety and security of all personnel at US Army Hawaii
installations remains our highest priority. Misha is six months pregnant.
She's described as Filipino, five foot two and has a
(19:19):
large dragon tattoo on her back. If you have any
information on Misha's whereabouts, call Army CID at eight oh
eight to zero eight zero zero five nine.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
It's been forty seven years since seventeen year old Yvonne
Regler was last seen in Ohio. On August eighth, nineteen
seventy seven, Reglar was working as a clerk at a
gas station on Lorraine Avenue in Fair Park. Investigators say
she spent the day on the phone taking care of customers.
Around noon, her parents brought her some food. Around one
(19:51):
point thirty, some people showed up to the store and
it was empty. Her relief showed up around two thirty
and all of her personal belongings were left behind. In
nineteen seventy seven, there wasn't DNA to collect or examine,
and there weren't security cameras the way there are today.
If you have any information about Yvonne, call Fairview Police
(20:12):
at four four zero three three three one two three four,
and I have an interesting case of the week to
tell you about authorities in Oklahoma. They're looking for a
specific gun that was bought or traded around two thousand
and eight to help them solve a cold case double murder.
(20:33):
Liota and William Holes were in their sixties when they
were found shot to death in their Welch home in
two thousand and eight. The couple were known as church
going people who loved their community and each other. They
had lived in the Welch area for more than thirty years.
Leota was a retired registered nurse, and she retired from
(20:54):
Saint John's Regional Medical Center in Joplin, Missouri. William was
a diesel automobile and farm equipment mechanic. An online obituary
shows the couple had one son, and two daughters. At
some point, William became disabled, and Leoda built a home
designed for her husband's disability. She spent most of her
(21:14):
time caring for William. The day that they were murdered,
William was found sitting at the kitchen table eating breakfast
with a gunshot wound to his head. Leoda was found
on the living room floor. She had also been shot
in the head. Both were still in their pajamas. Authorities
found no forced entry into the home, but they did
(21:36):
say Leota's purse was missing. Investigators are looking for a
Smith and Wesson Sigma SW nine F. They say the
weapon was only made from nineteen ninety four to nineteen
ninety seven. They are looking for anyone in Northeast Oklahoma,
Southeast Kansas, or northwest Missouri who may have owned it,
(21:58):
sold it, or traded it. Investigators say the person will
not be accused of a crime, but investigators would like
to do some test fires with this specific gun. The
Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation is offering five thousand dollars
as a reward for information in this case. You can
call them at one eight hundred five two two eight
(22:21):
zero one seven. So one thing that I really liked
or I guess what's stuck with me was that Leona
was described as a spitfire. So when I think about
that and I think about possibly who did this, I
don't think she would just let anybody inside of her home,
(22:43):
especially knowing that her husband is disabled in some sort
of capacity, you know what I mean. So she probably
knew whoever killed her and her husband, and investigators say
that too. And also one other thing, so investigators are
not one hundred percent sure that this particular weapon was used,
(23:07):
but they know enough that they want to look into
this specific type of gun. And investigators say it could
lead them down another path. It's too early to know,
and that's why they're looking for someone that has this
specific weapon so that they can kind of do their
investigation on it and then determine from there where they
(23:28):
need to go and hoether. I've never seen investigators do
kind of like an all call for a specific weapon,
you know, for people to come forward, And so that's
one thing that piqued my interest is that I was like, Wow,
They're like, hey, this gun is like superuper rare. There's
(23:49):
not a whole bunch of them out there. We need
to kind of figure some stuff out. Can you bring
it in so that we can test fire it and
check some stuff out like that? That really like, I
thought that that was interesting here.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
There was like a three year window they were made.
So I'm also wondering how many are left that are
functional as well? If it was discontinued. Is it because it.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Was not a reliable firearm?
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Was it difficult to maintain, constantly jammed or whatever? So
how many have been disposed of? Like, I know that
there are gun enthusiasts out there who even if it
doesn't function, they have it as a collector item. So
someone out there has one of these somewhere, maybe they
(24:35):
need to come to Tennessee. We have gun shows all
the time here.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
I feel like that's a really interesting part because, yeah,
like gun shows are very very popular, especially in the South,
especially in the Midwest. You know, people do there are
some people out there that love to collect rare guns,
and so this would be something that you know, someone
(24:59):
could have sitting in the gun cabinet and who knows.
You know, if you do have something like that, you
could help solve a murder.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
It's kind of weird that there's so little known about
this that they sound like such a lovely cup. I mean,
I know everyone has their secrets, but what could have
possibly motivated someone to want to do that to him?
And that the fact he was sitting at the table
eating breakfast, It's almost as if he didn't even feel
the need to turn around to see who had come
(25:28):
in the house. That also gives a bigger sense of
being familiar with whoever the suspect is.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Like, if there was someone that was trying to get
rid of a weapon and not have anyone think twice,
I feel like a gun show could be a way
that you could do that.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
That's one of the big topics in gun control that
I'm not going to like go into. But tracking firearms
and who has possession of fire arms and stuff isn't
isn't something that is done thoroughly. We keep better track
of who owns a card than we do firearms in
(26:11):
this country.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I'm not saying all gun shows are bad, and anyone
who sells or or acquires a gun through a gun
show it gets it's a murder weapon. No, But I mean,
like you're saying, the way that weapons are tracked around
the US, it's not the best system ever.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
It's almost as if the founding fathers designed it, Heather,
I meant the tracking system, not the country itself.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Well they kind of did that too, Heather.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
No hate to Georgie before anyone comes for me. I
am a gun owner. I own multiple firearms, like, I'm
pro Second Amendment.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
So you got a Smith and Wesson in there.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
I do, but not the right one.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Okay, all right, just had to.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Ask, I do I do have the Smith and Wesson?
Is my carry firearm? Actually? So all right, you guys,
Heather's packing, but not when I'm drinking wine, because that's illegal.
It is locked up, put away. I'm a law abiding
gun tote and citizen.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I was about to say, you are the most perfect citizen.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Thank you for lying.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
No, no, lie, I'm not even lying. How are you
feeling about the wine?
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I already had to get a second glass, so I
feel like that.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
I feel like that speaks on my behalf.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
It's enjoyable, it's really easy to drink. M probably the
best rose we've had.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
I would agree.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
It was a good price point too, like ten dollars,
so can't can't argue with that. I'd give it like
a three out of five.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Okay, midpoint.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Okay, Yeah, like I would drink it. If it was
like at a at a brunch tree gathering, I would
drink it. I don't think I would necessarily seek it out.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Again, I've been on a break from some classes some
school that I've been taking, and so I've had more
time to binge watch stuff. And I watched the new
Lacy Peterson docuseries on Netflix. It's like three episodes long,
(28:29):
really really good. So if you guys haven't watched that,
I think it like just dropped on like Wednesday, Tuesday
or Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
That's definitely worth watching.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
And I watched At What's End I think that was
on Hulu.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
That was really good.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
That was more that had several episodes, but it really
follows like the investigation into this girl that went missing
and then her remains were found, and like it really
showed like how the investigators were looking into these suspects
(29:09):
that they had, and I just really found that fascinating.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
If you're looking for something to watch, there's some res
for you.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Thanks. I've been watching Gabby Cat and what else have
my children forced me to watch. It's a child show.
It's a Netlikes children's show. And yeah, I've been fighting
with my three year old, who I really need Disney
to lay down, like chill out on the Deadpool advertisement
(29:39):
because she she's Deadpool. She loves him. He's the funny man.
And I'm like, you are three, you cannot watch Deadpool,
please stop. And she just looks at his picture in labs.
It's the funny man.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
I want her to be president one day, God help us.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
All she is I might move to Canada. Love my daughter.
She's fiercely independent, intelligent, fearless, everything you could want a
leader to be. She also scares me.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Okay, we have talked a lot on this episode. Let's
go ahead and wrap it up. Thank you everyone for listening.
If you can't get enough of Crime over Wine, you
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And don't forget. We will see you this Wine Wednesday
for a brand new episode of Crime over Wine with Liam,
and we'll see you next Monday for a next episode
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Welcome to Crime Overwine Weekly. It is Monday, August nineteenth.
I'm Michelle Harron. Here are your crime headlines. South Carolina
Supreme Court has agreed to hear Alec Murdoch's appeal the
convicted killer and disgraced attorneys currently serving two life sentences
for the murders of his wife and son. The grounds
(00:25):
for the appeal centers around a juror who allegedly heard
inappropriate comments from the court clerk about the case. A
mother and her boyfriend will appear before a judge this
week on charges in one of the worst child abuse
cases investigators in Michigan have ever seen. Six year old
Giovanni Jennings, who went by Chulo, died from blunt force
(00:47):
trauma to the abdomen and a perforated bowel after a
lengthy period of confinement and abuse. Investigators say the child
died on August thirty first, after he was found confined, beaten,
and bound to the wall using a staple gun. Prosecutors
in New Mexico are asking for the State Supreme Court
to decide if video and statements in the Alexi Treviso
(01:11):
case will be allowed in court. The high school teenager
was supposed to go on trial this month for first
degree murder and tampering with evidence after she allegedly gave
birth in a hospital bathroom and placed the baby inside
of a trash can in twenty twenty three. Defense attorneys
argue Hippa and Miranda Loss for hibbit the evidence from
(01:32):
being used. Hello, and welcome to Crime Overwine Weekly, your
place to get caught up on all of the latest
crime headlines while sipping on your new favorite bottle of wine.
We are joined by the often imitated, never duplicated Heather Holly.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Hello Heather, how are you?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Oh Hi? You always have the nicest things to say
about me.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Well, you know, lots of people try to be you,
but they never measure up to the original the og.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
So that's who you are.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Well, thank you, thank you? Oh gosh, no, no, no, no, no,
what did Aaron Bursey? I am inimitable. There we go.
It's in Hamilton. It's in Hamilton. Stop looking at me
like that. Liam.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
For a second, I thought you had already cracked open
our bottle.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Of wine this week, opened it, a pored it. Haven't
drink it.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I have not either, So let's go ahead and get
to this because I'm excited about this one. Uh. This
week we are drinking mont Gravit rose. We haven't had
a rose in a while, so uh. This one is
described as a wonderfully fresh and fruit forward dry rose wine.
The wine has lovely aromas of raspberry and BlackBerry and
(02:50):
is full body and long on the palate.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
So cheers to you, Heather, cheers.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I'm just gonna go ahead and disagree with the lovely
aroma part though.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, it doesn't really smell that good. Ooh, but I
do like it.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
That's interesting. It doesn't taste like a rose. This doesn't
taste like I think. We've only had two rosees so far,
but this doesn't taste like either of those.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I wouldn't describe it as a dry though. I mean
that's what the description said, but to me, it's not dry.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
But it is very good.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I like it, and I did a hefty poor this week.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
So sure. Because it says it's the aromas of raspberry
and BlackBerry, not necessarily the flavors of I'm like, my
brain wants to say it tastes like cantalope, but I
know that's not right. Canilop's not right, But it's not
raspberry or whatever. That other one was BlackBerry.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
I don't know if there's ever been a just a
wine description with cantilope in it. That's why I love
your descriptions.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Jury is out on this one. I don't know, don't
hate it, don't love it. I will be revisiting, revisiting
my thoughts on this.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Okay. So we have some really really exciting news.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
If you haven't already heard, Crime.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Over Wine is back with Liam Collins, the world famous.
So he kind of took a little break, had a
lot going on in life and just took a little
bit of a pause. But he's always been in the background,
but he's back and he has been like not only
(04:27):
working on Crime over Wine with insane cases, but there's
some new things.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
That he's bringing to our little vineyard, right.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Heather, Yes, Yes, Yes, very exciting things. So this Wednesday,
two days from now, Crime over Wine Wednesday returns with
a brand new episode with Liam, and we're also going
to have a monthly newsletter where you can sign up
at Crimeoverwine dot com and you're gonna have our wine recommendations,
(04:57):
exclusive cases that you can take action on. That's a
big part of why the three of us do this
is cases that you can advocate for victims, you can
help find missing people's that's what this is here for.
And in the end of it, so all of that's
going to be in the monthly newsletters, So go ahead
(05:18):
and sign up for that. It'll be dropping soon. And
then I think what I might be most excited about,
me too, merch.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yes, I can't wait for that store to open up.
Like my mom has already like been asking me like
is it up yet?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Is it up yet? Is it up yet?
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Because she wants to go and buy stuff. So yeah,
you can find all of your Crime over Wine merch
and you can be wearing shirts, you can stick the stickers,
you know, all the things and help support and show
off that you are a Crime over Wine fan.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Seeing some of the prototypes and they're heck and cute.
Even if I wasn't part of this podcast, I would
buy it, so you should too.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yes, So you can find that at Crimeoverwine dot com
slash store. While you're there, just take a gander of
the Crime over Wine website because I feel like we
don't push that enough, but it is something that I
know Liam has worked really really hard on putting together
and keeping updated, and so that's also another way that
(06:22):
you can fulfill your true crime.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
I was gonna say, shantasy's but that's weird. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah, I don't know. It's not that kind of podcast.
You just summoned the book talk people. Oops. Oops. Do
you want to live out your fantasies and a vineyard
full of crime? You've come to the wrong place. This
is not what we're here for. And also we're not
(06:55):
going anywhere either. Crime over One Weekly will still drop
on Mondays, but you'll also have those full in depth
Crime over Wine episodes that drop on Wednesdays with Liam
and a rotating co host. So double wine woop whoop.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah, you're getting more wine recommendations, you're getting more cases
that haven't been solved or are just head scratching, and
you're also just getting like the expertise of the experience
that Liam brings to the table with his background as
a journalist and the people that he brings on and
(07:33):
they talk about the cases. So it's just it's.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
More and more and more of all the things that
we love.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
And true crime and wine related.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Yeah, we're like the Monday sampler platter. And he's the
full entree on Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
So getting you through the week.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah, and on Fridays we can just drink and cry together.
Maybe no, no one wants to do that. Okay, Well,
you know what, we do have a lot of other
stuff happening in this episode, Like we have more than
just announcements. We do have more content here. So to
come on Crime over Wine Weekly. A man vanished in Savannah,
(08:11):
Georgia two years ago. Why his family and police think
something happened to him. Plus, a young mother was shot
and killed while recording a TikTok with her friend, who
police say confessed to the murder.
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Speaker 1 (09:33):
Investigators in Washington, DC are asking for the public's help
finding a woman who went missing twenty years ago. Gwendolen
Carswell was forty four when she went missing from Northeast
DC in two thousand and four. Gwendolen, also known as Gwenny,
was a mother and had many friends and family who
told police she suddenly stopped communicating with her children, which
(09:56):
was out of character for her. Police believe the person
or p responsible for Gwendolen's disappearance may have ties to
the area, and that she may have been targeted by
someone who knew her. Police are asking for anyone who
may have noticed odd behaviors, changes in mood, or sudden
departure or unexplained injuries or disposing of property from someone
(10:18):
they know to come forward. Anyone who reports information can
remain anonymous. If you have any information about Gwendolen, call
police at two zero two seven two seven ninety ninety nine.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Deontay Cash Robertson vanished from Savannah, Georgia, two years ago.
He was last seeing August eleventh, twenty twenty two. Authorities
haven't shared any details surrounding his disappearance. Savannah Police and
Deonta's family held a news conference about a month after
he went missing. At that time, s PD said they
believe something did happen to Deontay and asked for the
community's help to find him. His family described him as loving, funny,
(10:56):
and talented. They said Deontay wouldn't have just walked away
from their close knit family. Deontay was thirty two years
old when he went missing. He's described as a black
man with brown eyes and short black hair. He's five
foot ten and about one hundred and fifty pounds. He
was last seen wearing a white tshirt with red and
orange riding and army green jeans. His car is also missing.
(11:19):
It's a tan Mercury Marquis with a Georgia tag if
you know anything about Deontay Robertson's whereabouts, called Savannah Police
at nine one two sixty five, one six six seventy
five and turning to the case of the week here
that I'm going to highlight an Indiana woman was shot
and killed while filming a TikTok video, and it appears
jealousy was a key motive. Police responded to a shooting
(11:42):
at a New Albany apartment last Saturday. The victim, twenty
five year old Caitlin Lee, was taken to the hospital
where she died. According to court documents, Caitlyn and her
friend were recording a TikTok when they heard banging on
the window. Caitlyn said what are you doing here? Just
before she was shot several times. Detectives were able to
watch the TikTok video, which captured most of the incident.
(12:04):
On top of having this evidence, investigators also received a
confession very quickly. Joshua Thompson called nine one one, saying
he killed Caitlyn and would turn himself in. Caitlyn and
Joshua had a prior relationship and a one year old child. Together.
He told investigators he went to the apartment to see
if Caitlyn was with any men. Caitlyn's aunt spoke to
Wave about the pair's history. She said Caitlyn had moved
(12:27):
three times in the last four months trying to get
away from Joshua. The aunt says their relationship ended in
April after Joshua was arrested for beating Caitlyn. An order
of protection was also issued at this time, meaning Joshua
wasn't supposed to be anywhere near Caitlyn. Caitlyn's friend told
police that she previously said if she was ever killed,
it would be Joshua, and according to court documents, Joshua
(12:50):
told investigators he knew there was an order protection in place,
but he still chose to go to the apartment. Joshua
Thompson is charged with murder and vavision of privacy, criminal recklessness,
and unlawful carrying of a hand gun. He's being held
without bond until his trial. Kaitlyn Lee was laid to
rest last Thursday, and she leaves behind three young children.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
This is heartbreaking.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I mean, Caitlyn did everything she was supposed to do.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Yeah, it feels like that happens with domestic cases a
lot where you'll hear the reporting where they talk to
family members afterwards, and it's they had an order of protection,
but it's just a piece of paper. It doesn't protect them.
So it's it's one of those things that it's hard
to have faith in the justice system when you're doing
(13:35):
the right things and you have everything in place that's
supposed to protect you. But they're right, it is a
piece of paper. It's not going to do much. But
I do want to highlight a new law that is
an effect in Tennessee that would put GPS monitors on
domestic violence offenders so they're more able to be tracked.
The victim would be like alerted if they get within
(13:57):
a proximity. So it's it's a heartbreaking theme, but at
least lawmakers and law enforcement are taking steps to figure
out what you can do.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah, hopefully more states will create laws that are similar
and adopt them so that situations like this don't happen.
I mean, a twenty five year old mom and is
just and she's she's had to move moving that many
(14:32):
times in just a few months with three kids, Like
I can't even imagine that, you know, But then to
and to get the order product, you know, to take
all of these steps. I can only imagine how scared
she was, you know. And here she is just trying
to have a little bit of fun with a friend
making a TikTok video, you know, and she bam loses
(14:58):
her life that quickly, Like those situations should not happen.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
No, it shouldn't. And that that moment where she told
her friend previously that if she died it was gonna
be because of him, and like knowing in your gut
that it's a potential to happen, she must have never
felt safe. M wow. And I do want to clarify
(15:24):
they the TikTok was still recording, it wasn't ever published. Yeah,
so this wasn't like posted where people watched her get killed.
It was recorded and saved, but not published. Detectives were
able to watch it, and the court documents described what
the video captured, but it's not out there for the
(15:47):
general publicacy.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Well, and it at least there was that, you know
what I mean, because a lot of domestic violence cases
there's not something like that, you know, that is direct
evidence showing what happened. So potentially, had there not been
that TikTok video.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
This could have ended up a cold.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Case, you know, yeah, except he called them the same
night and confessed. He called nine one one the same
night and confessed to it. Wow, so like good, they
have that solid evidence. But he already sat down and
told him everything. He's like, yep, knew there was an
(16:31):
order of protection. I wanted to see if she was
with other men, so I went there and they recovered
the gun.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
From outside the window.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
So wow, it was all just laid out right there.
But in many domestic violence cases, it's not. If you're
experiencing domestic violence, you can call the National Domestic Violence
Hotline at one eight hundred seven nine to nine, seven
to two three three. It's free, confidential and available twenty
four to seven. You can also visit their website, the
(17:01):
hotline dot org.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Coming up on Crime over Wine Weekly, it's been forty
seven years since a teenage girl was last seen at
her job at an Ohio gas station. Plus investigators are
looking for gun owners of a rare Smith and Wesson
find out why when we come back.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
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(17:43):
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A pregnant, nineteen year old woman disappeared from a US
Army base in Hawaii two weeks ago. Now her family
is trying to expand the search for her. Misha Johnson
was last seen at her chaffield Barracks home on July
thirty first. She's married to a soldier station there right now.
The Army's Criminal Investigation Unit is offering a ten thousand
dollar reward for information on Misha's whereabouts. HNN reports the
(18:58):
Army didn't answer when asked if there are any suspects
or leads. Instead, they issued a statement that says, in
part quote, locating Misha's support to the family and the
safety and security of all personnel at US Army Hawaii
installations remains our highest priority. Misha is six months pregnant.
She's described as Filipino, five foot two and has a
(19:19):
large dragon tattoo on her back. If you have any
information on Misha's whereabouts, call Army CID at eight oh
eight to zero eight zero zero five nine.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
It's been forty seven years since seventeen year old Yvonne
Regler was last seen in Ohio. On August eighth, nineteen
seventy seven, Reglar was working as a clerk at a
gas station on Lorraine Avenue in Fair Park. Investigators say
she spent the day on the phone taking care of customers.
Around noon, her parents brought her some food. Around one
(19:51):
point thirty, some people showed up to the store and
it was empty. Her relief showed up around two thirty
and all of her personal belongings were left behind. In
nineteen seventy seven, there wasn't DNA to collect or examine,
and there weren't security cameras the way there are today.
If you have any information about Yvonne, call Fairview Police
(20:12):
at four four zero three three three one two three four,
and I have an interesting case of the week to
tell you about authorities in Oklahoma. They're looking for a
specific gun that was bought or traded around two thousand
and eight to help them solve a cold case double murder.
(20:33):
Liota and William Holes were in their sixties when they
were found shot to death in their Welch home in
two thousand and eight. The couple were known as church
going people who loved their community and each other. They
had lived in the Welch area for more than thirty years.
Leota was a retired registered nurse, and she retired from
(20:54):
Saint John's Regional Medical Center in Joplin, Missouri. William was
a diesel automobile and farm equipment mechanic. An online obituary
shows the couple had one son, and two daughters. At
some point, William became disabled, and Leoda built a home
designed for her husband's disability. She spent most of her
(21:14):
time caring for William. The day that they were murdered,
William was found sitting at the kitchen table eating breakfast
with a gunshot wound to his head. Leoda was found
on the living room floor. She had also been shot
in the head. Both were still in their pajamas. Authorities
found no forced entry into the home, but they did
(21:36):
say Leota's purse was missing. Investigators are looking for a
Smith and Wesson Sigma SW nine F. They say the
weapon was only made from nineteen ninety four to nineteen
ninety seven. They are looking for anyone in Northeast Oklahoma,
Southeast Kansas, or northwest Missouri who may have owned it,
(21:58):
sold it, or traded it. Investigators say the person will
not be accused of a crime, but investigators would like
to do some test fires with this specific gun. The
Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation is offering five thousand dollars
as a reward for information in this case. You can
call them at one eight hundred five two two eight
(22:21):
zero one seven. So one thing that I really liked
or I guess what's stuck with me was that Leona
was described as a spitfire. So when I think about
that and I think about possibly who did this, I
don't think she would just let anybody inside of her home,
(22:43):
especially knowing that her husband is disabled in some sort
of capacity, you know what I mean. So she probably
knew whoever killed her and her husband, and investigators say
that too. And also one other thing, so investigators are
not one hundred percent sure that this particular weapon was used,
(23:07):
but they know enough that they want to look into
this specific type of gun. And investigators say it could
lead them down another path. It's too early to know,
and that's why they're looking for someone that has this
specific weapon so that they can kind of do their
investigation on it and then determine from there where they
(23:28):
need to go and hoether. I've never seen investigators do
kind of like an all call for a specific weapon,
you know, for people to come forward, And so that's
one thing that piqued my interest is that I was like, Wow,
They're like, hey, this gun is like superuper rare. There's
(23:49):
not a whole bunch of them out there. We need
to kind of figure some stuff out. Can you bring
it in so that we can test fire it and
check some stuff out like that? That really like, I
thought that that was interesting here.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
There was like a three year window they were made.
So I'm also wondering how many are left that are
functional as well? If it was discontinued. Is it because it.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Was not a reliable firearm?
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Was it difficult to maintain, constantly jammed or whatever? So
how many have been disposed of? Like, I know that
there are gun enthusiasts out there who even if it
doesn't function, they have it as a collector item. So
someone out there has one of these somewhere, maybe they
(24:35):
need to come to Tennessee. We have gun shows all
the time here.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
I feel like that's a really interesting part because, yeah,
like gun shows are very very popular, especially in the South,
especially in the Midwest. You know, people do there are
some people out there that love to collect rare guns,
and so this would be something that you know, someone
(24:59):
could have sitting in the gun cabinet and who knows.
You know, if you do have something like that, you
could help solve a murder.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
It's kind of weird that there's so little known about
this that they sound like such a lovely cup. I mean,
I know everyone has their secrets, but what could have
possibly motivated someone to want to do that to him?
And that the fact he was sitting at the table
eating breakfast, It's almost as if he didn't even feel
the need to turn around to see who had come
(25:28):
in the house. That also gives a bigger sense of
being familiar with whoever the suspect is.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Like, if there was someone that was trying to get
rid of a weapon and not have anyone think twice,
I feel like a gun show could be a way
that you could do that.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
That's one of the big topics in gun control that
I'm not going to like go into. But tracking firearms
and who has possession of fire arms and stuff isn't
isn't something that is done thoroughly. We keep better track
of who owns a card than we do firearms in
(26:11):
this country.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I'm not saying all gun shows are bad, and anyone
who sells or or acquires a gun through a gun
show it gets it's a murder weapon. No, But I mean,
like you're saying, the way that weapons are tracked around
the US, it's not the best system ever.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
It's almost as if the founding fathers designed it, Heather,
I meant the tracking system, not the country itself.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Well they kind of did that too, Heather.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
No hate to Georgie before anyone comes for me. I
am a gun owner. I own multiple firearms, like, I'm
pro Second Amendment.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
So you got a Smith and Wesson in there.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
I do, but not the right one.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Okay, all right, just had to.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Ask, I do I do have the Smith and Wesson?
Is my carry firearm? Actually? So all right, you guys,
Heather's packing, but not when I'm drinking wine, because that's illegal.
It is locked up, put away. I'm a law abiding
gun tote and citizen.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I was about to say, you are the most perfect citizen.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Thank you for lying.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
No, no, lie, I'm not even lying. How are you
feeling about the wine?
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I already had to get a second glass, so I
feel like that.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
I feel like that speaks on my behalf.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
It's enjoyable, it's really easy to drink. M probably the
best rose we've had.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
I would agree.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
It was a good price point too, like ten dollars,
so can't can't argue with that. I'd give it like
a three out of five.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Okay, midpoint.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Okay, Yeah, like I would drink it. If it was
like at a at a brunch tree gathering, I would
drink it. I don't think I would necessarily seek it out.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Again, I've been on a break from some classes some
school that I've been taking, and so I've had more
time to binge watch stuff. And I watched the new
Lacy Peterson docuseries on Netflix. It's like three episodes long,
(28:29):
really really good. So if you guys haven't watched that,
I think it like just dropped on like Wednesday, Tuesday
or Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
That's definitely worth watching.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
And I watched At What's End I think that was
on Hulu.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
That was really good.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
That was more that had several episodes, but it really
follows like the investigation into this girl that went missing
and then her remains were found, and like it really
showed like how the investigators were looking into these suspects
(29:09):
that they had, and I just really found that fascinating.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
If you're looking for something to watch, there's some res
for you.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Thanks. I've been watching Gabby Cat and what else have
my children forced me to watch. It's a child show.
It's a Netlikes children's show. And yeah, I've been fighting
with my three year old, who I really need Disney
to lay down, like chill out on the Deadpool advertisement
(29:39):
because she she's Deadpool. She loves him. He's the funny man.
And I'm like, you are three, you cannot watch Deadpool,
please stop. And she just looks at his picture in labs.
It's the funny man.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
I want her to be president one day, God help us.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
All she is I might move to Canada. Love my daughter.
She's fiercely independent, intelligent, fearless, everything you could want a
leader to be. She also scares me.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Okay, we have talked a lot on this episode. Let's
go ahead and wrap it up. Thank you everyone for listening.
If you can't get enough of Crime over Wine, you
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Speaker 3 (30:27):
And don't forget. We will see you this Wine Wednesday
for a brand new episode of Crime over Wine with Liam,
and we'll see you next Monday for a next episode
of Crime over Wine Weekly, and don't forget to sign
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Speaker 4 (30:46):
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