August 26, 2024 • 37 mins
Why there have been so many delays in the case against a Florida woman accused of killing her boyfriend in a suitcase.
Plus, a man in Myrtle Beach is solving cold cases using his boogie board.
This week, we're drinking Angels Ink's Pinot Noir.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to Crime over Wine Weekly. It's Monday, August twenty sixth.
I'm Heather Holly and these are your crime headlines. A
jury sent ace a Tennessee man to death last week.
Sean Finnegan was convicted in the brutal twenty nineteen murder
of Jennifer Paxton. Investigators say he kidnapped Paxton in December
of twenty nineteen, held her captive in his Oakridge apartment,
repeatedly abused her, and eventually strangled a thirty five year
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old to death. Prosecutor say Finegain stored her body in
a freezer that he kept in his bedroom closet, and
he would continue viewing her remains for sexual pleasure. The
jury said these actions were heinous and cruel enough to
warrant the death penalty. Finnegan was sentenced to die by
lethal injection. However, Tennessee has yet to resume execution since
Governor Lee halted them in twenty twenty two when issues
with state protocol and testing came to light. A Pennsylvania
(00:51):
couple will spend eight to sixteen years in jail after
their seven children were found living in deplorable conditions. The
investigation started in April of twenty twenty three, when police
responded to a call about children entering an abandoned trailer.
On the scene, officers found the children lived in the
trailer next door, which was found to be unsafe and unsanitary.
Authorities say they found a padlocked fridge, feces in several places,
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and several walls and parts of the floor in disrepair.
The children, all between the ages of four and sixteen,
were malnourished, none of them had ever attended school, and
some didn't even know their birthday. Shane and Crystal Robertson
pleaded guilty to seven counts of child in dangerment and
six summary counts of animal neglect earlier this year. A
judge sentenced the couple to up to sixteen years in
a state correctional institution last week. They also cannot have
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any contact with their children until they turn eighteen, and
only with the approval of a court appointed therapist. Three
years after going missing, d An Warner's remains have been found.
Three of D's adult children reported her missing in April
of twenty twenty one. The night the fifty five year
old disappeared, there was a business dispute between D her husband,
Dale Warner, and a couple of her employees. In twenty
(01:58):
twenty three, Dale Warner was charged with open murder and tampering,
even though investigators had yet to find D's body. That
changes past week, when authorities searched Dale's property and tipped
in and located D's remains. Michigan State Police say D's
death has been ruled a homicide and the quote manner
of death has been confirmed. Authorities have not shared any
additional details beyond that statement. Hello, and welcome back to
(02:19):
Crime Overline Weekly, your place to catch up on current
crime headlines while discovering your next favorite bottle of wine.
And of course, I couldn't be doing this without the
criminally brilliant, sharp witted Michelle Heron.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Oh my gosh, criminally brilliant.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I'm like flattered Q Britney spears. Mama, I'm in love
with a criminal. Anyway, How are you, Heather? I'm all right,
all right, We're I can't believe that we're in the
last week of August.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I know, I know like this, you know you're gonna
blink your eyes and it's gonna be Christmas.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
You know that, right? Yeah? Yeah, I do.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Or I Okay, you're gonna blink your eyes and it's
gonna be Halloween're.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Gonna blink my eyes. Is gonna be the day after Halloween,
and I'm gonna be sad.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
True, Oh my gosh. But yeah, this year is flying by,
and before we know it, we are gonna be celebrating
one year of Crime over Wine weekly. Which is insane
to think that we just started this this year.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
But it's almost been a year. I feel like we've
only I feel like I've only been doing this for
a few weeks now.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
It's because we have so much fun we did. Maybe
the wine is hindering your ability to remember.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
That makes me sound like an alcoholic. But speaking of lines.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Exactly, you know what my segue is. And this week's bottle,
it was totally a Heather pick. As soon as I
saw the picture, like, I was like, that is a
bottle of wine that Heather Hollywood pick.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
But I am excited about it.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I really liked the bottle when I saw.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
It, I wanted I wanted to go something a little darker.
We've done Charonay and Rose past couple of weeks, so
we're doing a red this week. It's angels Ink pino noir.
It's a fruit forward with an integrated oak presence. The
wine delights the palette with a crush of berry and
vanilla backed juiciness like a dynamic jazz ensemble. This wine
(04:28):
is a beautiful composition of aromas and flavors all working
together to create melodic harmony in the bottle. So let's
see if it creates some harmony in my mouth.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
And on the front of the bottle, so the bottle
is like black, every okay everyone. What you can't see
is everyone is like rolling here because of what Heather
just said. But the bottle is black, and then the
label it has like some angel wings that are like gold,
(05:01):
and so it's kind of mysterious.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I don't know. I like it.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
It smells good. I was also like in the mood
for like a good red this week, so because yeah,
we have done a lot of the lighter stuff here lately.
So I have been also like craving something dark.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
It's like I'm encouraging it to be fall. I'm tired
of summer. Sorry, summer people.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, like maybe if we just don't like acknowledge summer anymore.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
We'll it just go away. I just keep wearing like
flannels and hoodies. My die of a heat stroke, but
I'll die in comfortable clothes at least. Okay, cheers to that.
Let's try this.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Ooh like it? Like it very Like it's like flavorful
but like mellow at the same time, like it's not
too much. I definitely do get the berry on the front.
Like at first you think it's going to be super sweet,
but then towards the end it's like it's mellow.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, it's it's very smooth going and not overpowering either,
Like it's a strong flavor but not knock you off
your feet. Gag. I do I like this this.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
It's easy to drink. I now see why they say,
like how all the flavors work together and create a
melodic harmony.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yes, there is indeed harmony in my mouth. Uh. Anyway,
you know what, besides buying wine, you can also buy
Crime over Wine merch. The store is officially open.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yes, so excited about this, and people have been talking
about it, like talking about how it's like super cool
that they can now buy andise and support Crime over
Wine and Crime over Wine weekly and people have even
been asking like, is there gonna be like more stuff
(07:07):
added in the future, and hell yeah, I mean why not, Like.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Let's see how much I want to support us, like
buy some merch and maybe more stuff will appear. Mm hmm.
Definitely got to unlock that achievement New achievement unlocked.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Also, so Crime over Wine is officially back. Liam relaunched
the beloved podcast with the Solder Children case. So that
took place Christmas Eve nineteen forty five. There was a
fire in Fayetteville, West Virginia. Ten children in total, five
(07:50):
were believed to have died in the fire, but there
was no evidence of them found in the fire. The
theory was this that the mafia was like involved, and
there's been billboards up for decades of the children to
for someone to come forward and help them solve this case.
(08:11):
So it's it's definitely like and when you see the
pictures of these kids, like your heart goes out to them,
like you know what I mean, these children on Christmas
Eve of all nights, Like you know what I mean,
Like there's so much excitement for so many kids on
the night of Christmas Eve. I just like think about
something like so horrible happening on such an exciting time.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
And then the What really hurt my mama heart was
hearing all the efforts that the parents made trying to
save the children that they thought were still trapped in
that fire, and all of these things that are typically
there and accessible just weren't there or weren't working, And
it really feels like they were set up for failure
(08:56):
and it wasn't. It feels like it wasn't just an accident.
And granted it was nineteen forty five. Technology wasn't what
it is now, but the whole lack of nine to
one to one, taking hours for firefighters to get there,
just a lot went wrong. So and then the whole
(09:18):
like their remains weren't found in the fire. So their parents,
until their dying day, had hoped that their children were
still out there, and there were a few sidings. So
hopefully in the afterlife they have peace and know what
happened to their children and are possibly reunited in that
(09:39):
way if you believe in that. But really heartbreaking case
and really kinnfuzzling, like bamboozling.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, like where does the math Exactly where are the kids?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
I think a lot of it's going to go back
to the time period of you might have been a
tight knit community, but total lack of technology of camera's
video evidence, whatnot. Investigators doing very thorough research into what
caused the fire.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
So you can listen to that right now wherever you
get your podcasts, it's Crime over Wine and again the
episode is the Solder Children, So go ahead and give
that a listen when you get a moment. But coming
up on Crime over Wine weekly, we have lots to
tell you about a teenager goes missing from a mall
(10:30):
in Florida, when investigators are saying about the forty three
year mystery. Plus a myrtle beach man is solving cold
cases with his boogie board. Find out how after these messages.
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An Indiana toddler and his aunt with special needs vanished
nine years ago, and their family is still holding out
for answers. On July twenty fifth, twenty fifteen, Keen Walker's
mother dropped him off at a relative's home in Gary, Indiana,
so she could attend a class. The taller was supposed
to spend the day with his aunt, Diamond Bynum, and
her stepmother's Suzanne Bynum. Suzanne said she took about a
forty minute nap in the early afternoon. When she woke up,
(12:17):
King and Diamond were gone. Suzanne believed the pair went
outside like they had before, but when she couldn't find
King or Diamond outside. She called police. Officers started searching
for the toddler and young woman within an hour, going
door to door and handing out flyers. After four days,
investigators shifted to a large scale search of nearby abandoned buildings.
Canine units tracked both Diamond and King since to a
nearby gas station and train tracks, but nothing After that.
(12:40):
Law enforcement searches were called off in early August due
to a lack of resources. The Northwest Indiana Major Crimes
Task Force re examined the case in twenty sixteen, but
didn't make any progress. In twenty twenty two, the Center
of Missing and Exploited Children produced an age enhanced photo
of King, hoping to generate new leads. King was two
years old when he went missing and Diamond Bynum was
twenty one years old. King would be eleven now in
(13:02):
Diamond would be thirty. If you know anything about this case,
contact Gary Police at two P one nine eight eight
one one two one four.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Police in Florida are still searching for a teenager who
went missing forty three years ago. Mary Opits was seventeen
when she was last seen shopping at Edison Mall. In
Fort Myers with her mother in nineteen eighty one. Her
mom went to visit another store, so Mary took their
shopping bags to the car and told her mom that
(13:31):
she would wait for her there. When her mom came out,
she saw the bags on the hood of the car,
but no sign of Mary. If you have any information,
call Southwest Florida Crime Stoppers at one eight hundred seven
eight zero tips. So this week I came across something wild.
Listen to this. A guy in Myrtle Beach has solved
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two cold cases using a sonar device he made at home.
W RL reports. Jason south Rata is a radiology technician
in South Carolina. He created a homemade sonar device that
can see underwater. He goes out with this device with
his boogie board and is using it to scan bodies
(14:16):
of water.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Now.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Back in June, he found a car at the bottom
of a creek in North Carolina. There were three missing
men inside. This case was forty years old. Since then,
he became interested in missing persons cases in the area
where he lives, one of them being a man by
the name of Daniel Riggs. Daniel was last seen buying
(14:38):
a court of oil at a food lion in Myrtle Beach.
In twenty fifteen, a police report showed that his phone
last pinged in an area called Georgetown. Jason went out
to that area with his diving buddy and his homemade
sonar device. This was a boat landing area, and sure
enough they found Daniel Riggs's Dodge Nitro. The diving buddy
(15:02):
got the license plate and then they took it to police.
Police went and searched the area and human remains were
found inside of the Nitro, but authorities have not confirmed
if the remains are Daniels. Jason says he doesn't charge
any of the families. He just does this on his
own time, with his own money. He simply just wants
(15:22):
to help families of missing people. So here this guy
is spending his silver with his boogie board and his
homemade sonar device, and he has now given four families
a little bit of closure as to what kind of
happened to their missing loved ones. You know, gave them
(15:45):
their remains so that they can bury them or do
what they would like with them. I mean, it's insane
to me, but in like a good way, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
He's really using his power for good because he's obviously
very intelligent to have created this. It's his line of
work and he found a way to use it to
help others. And that's really what humankind is about. It
should be about taking your strengths and using that to
(16:17):
help others in community.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
And he had like one message that he wanted to
get out there, and that was, like families of missing people,
he said, don't stop doing new stories, pushing local news
outlets to get your family member's story out there, because
(16:40):
that has helped him. You know, do research on missing
persons cases, find out if anything new has popped up.
You know that that's how he's been able to find
up to date information. And Heather, we can also speak
on that. You know, as we do research into the
cases that we share every week, you know, you take
(17:01):
that person's name and you google it and you try
and find multiple, you know, different stories that are on
the internet so that you can validate information, have up
to date information, you know. So that is something that
definitely if you or if you know someone that does
(17:21):
have a loved one that's missing, keep that story out
there because it is so valuable not to just share
like we need to find this person, but also to
the people that want to help spread that message so
that when we're doing our research we can find it.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Sometimes small factors that are going to be detrimental of
like they were seen, there was a verified siding of
the person in a different state. And also, speaking from
the newsroom angle of that, I know it can be
difficult for families to get your loved ones story out
(18:00):
there with how the news cycle works, because if you're like,
my relative has been missing for five years and someone's like,
oh are their new developments when they're trying to come
up with a way to pitch the story to the
newsroom or whatever, some people may be deterred from pursuing
(18:20):
that story if there haven't been developments. But don't stop
sending that information. Your loved one's life matters. Knowing what
happened to them matters. Everyone has a story, and everyone
deserves to be found, and every family deserves to have answers.
But also we live in this wonderful time of social
(18:45):
media that, when used properly, is a great platform for
giving a voice to the voiceless. In that sense, just
one person shares the post and then one of their
friends shares the posts and suddenly you have people across
the country who seen it and are aware of the situation.
Now they may not be able to join a current
(19:06):
search party, but they can help spread awareness and sometimes
maybe that's what you need the most.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Social media and the Internet it opens up so many
eyes to seeing content and seeing things they probably otherwise
wouldn't have seen, you know, because you might not live
near xyz, but you can be friends or follow someone
(19:36):
who does have ties to different communities, and when they
do share that content, you are now opening that up
to so many more people that otherwise would not have
seen it.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I mean, honestly, I'll probably see more from people sharing
on social media than the local outlets. Like even the
story you just shared, for example, I wouldn't have seen
that on WRAL. I'm not checking Myrtle Beach news. Keep sharing,
keep the information flowing. Be a good community member. Let's
help each other out.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
This Jason guy, he even says like he heard of
the idea from YouTube of making a homemade sonar device,
Like who even knew that that was a thing, you know,
but it goes along with exactly what we were saying,
you know, he came across it on YouTube. Saw it
was like I could totally do that, made the device himself,
and now look at what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
You know. Yeah, And I can't wait to see how
many more people he helps. That's I hope he keeps
sharing his story with others too.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I am going to try and track him down and
I would love to bring him on here to Crime
over Wine Weekly and like talk to him, so fingers
crossed that we can make that happen. But I definitely
would just love to hear from him.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I would too. I might might be a little starstruck there.
He's too smart. He's too smart for me be intimidated
and still to come on Crime over Wine Weekly. A
California veteran walks away from his home one call January
night and hasn't been seen since. Plus more than four
years after her arrest, the Florida woman charged with killing
(21:17):
her boyfriend in a suitcase still hasn't gone to trial.
Why there have been so many delays and when the
judge says the case will move forward?
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Speaker 2 (22:17):
An Oklahoma mother is desperate to find her son, Sean Yannis,
disappeared in January nineteen ninety nine. His mom says he
disappeared from the family home twenty five years ago. She
said when she got home, there were a couple of
Budweiser Tall Boys in the sink and his cigarettes were there,
but Sean was nowhere to be found. His mom says
(22:39):
police did some property searches after he went missing. They
also looked in rivers and creeks, but they haven't found
any clues. His mom says Sean had a six year
old son, and he wouldn't have left his son. His
mom says Sean was using drugs at the time that
he disappeared. If you have any information, call the Telequla
Police at night nine one, eight four five six eighty
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eight zero one.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
A veteran walked away from his California home on a
cold January night in twenty sixteen and hasn't been seen since.
Troy Galloway's family says he struggled with mental health and addiction,
but he'd never abandoned his children. Troy enlisted in Marines
in two thousand. His father says he'd developed schizo effective
disorder and given an honorable discharge in two thousand and three.
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On January thirteen, twenty sixteen, Troy left at his home
after a fight with his wife. He wasn't dressed for
the snowy weather, wearing a short sleeved T shirt and
tennis shoes. About thirty minutes after leaving home, Troy's cell
phone was turned off and he hasn't been heard from since.
Titslawed the sheriff's office to search a lake in Troy's
neighborhood twice, once in twenty sixteen and again in twenty
twenty one, but there was no sign of Troy either time.
(23:46):
Troy would be forty two years old today. He's described
as a white man with brown hair. He's six foot
one and about one hundred and seventy pounds. He has
several tattoos. If you have any information about Troy's whereabouts,
contacts the Telomne County Sheriff's Office at two Tis two
nine five three three five eight, five to five. This week,
I'm going to tell you about the alleged suitcase killer
(24:07):
in Winter Park, Florida. Sarah Boone called nine one one
the afternoon of February twenty fourth, twenty twenty, saying her
boyfriend Jorge Torres Junior was dead. Boone told investigators she
and Torres were drinking the night before and thought it
would be funny if he got in a suitcase during
a game of hide and seek. Investigators say Boone admitted
to zipping the suitcase closed with Torres inside, went upstairs
(24:29):
and fell asleep. She woke up the next morning and
found him still inside, unresponsive. While Boone's statements painted a
tragic accident, evidence showed a much different reality. The Orange
County Sheriff's Office says investigators found video on Boone's phone
where Torres can be seen trying to escape the suitcase,
calling for help and yelling he couldn't breathe. In the video,
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Boone is heard saying, quote, that's what I feel like
when you cheat on me. Boone was arrested shortly after
on one count of second degree murder. Fast forward more
than four years since her arrest and Boone has to
go to trial, but she has gone through eight lawyers,
several of which resigned due to irreconcilable differences. After Boone's
last attorney dropped her in June, she wrote a fifty
(25:10):
eight page letter to the court saying she is not
the problem. According to Court TV, the letter also included
more than a dozen pages of legal definition and excerpts
from the Declaration of Independence. The following month, the judge
ruled Boone has forfeited her right to court appointed counsel
and must represent herself at trial. Boone has argued with
the judge that she doesn't want to represent herself. Anne
(25:33):
is now seeking a ninth lawyer to take her case.
On July eighteenth, Boon filed a handwritten letter to the
court that included an add to the court that says
inmates seeking attorney and that a quote epic opportunity awaits.
Boone appeared at a hearing earlier this month, saying she's
unprepared due to lack of internet access in jail, requesting
media be banned from future proceedings and to not be
(25:54):
handcuffed during hearings and the trial. The judge agreed to
remove Boon's cuffs. Days after her first unrestrained appearance. Boone
was accused of hiding staples in her clothes to alter them.
Boone's trial is scheduled to begin October seventh, and the
judge is adamant it will go on as planned.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
All right, she sounds fun.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Hashtag Florida woman. Uh.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
The lack of internet access claim is interesting because a
lot of them now do have access. I mean maybe
it it depends on what type of status she is
inside of the jail that she's at, but I mean
a lot of them have will either be kiosks or
(26:40):
iPads or.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
You know, something like that. So she does have a
laptop and has had access to a USB drive. The
judge did give her I forgot what the person's official
name is. But they were court appointed to help gather
evidence on her behalf. So I'm guessing that that's being
provided via USB on a laptop because she's complaining that
(27:05):
she's not able to keep the laptop charged well enough either.
She's got a lot of complain And.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
The staples and her clothes was that to like maybe
make things fit better.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, so she basically hemmed the sleeves and her pants
to make them look more flattering, but doing so made
them contraband and she was issued new clothes. I included
that in there just as an example of she argued
to be unrestrained, and her very first hearing where she's unrestrained,
(27:37):
they find staples in her clothing. Once she goes back
to jail, It's like, you're not helping your case here.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
The fifty eight page letter was that the handwritten one
either way? Yeah, I will give her props to committing
to fifty eight handwritten pages.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Just who do you think you are that you needed
to write a fifty eight page letter to judge with
a glossary of legal terms, as if he doesn't know
what those are. An excerpt from the Declaration of Independence,
Like what are you? Thomas Jefferson reincarnated Calm Down.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
When I was reporting like full time, I would get
a lot of Jill mail, and one letter I got
it was handwritten and it had the most beautiful cursive
penmanship I've ever seen, like and all of it and
it was like computer paper, so there weren't lines, but
(28:33):
it was like perfectly straight like.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
And it was a guy.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
It was a guy that wrote it. He was serving
a life sentence for prison, but it was the most
beautiful handwriting I've ever seen in my entire life.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
At least he had that going for him. I just
have to say I was very impressed. He was very impressed. Okay,
But some I've seen some Joie mail to newsrooms that
include some very beautiful leather crafts too. They're doing some
pretty cool arts crafts in there. Sometimes. I have one
anchor at another station I was at who had this
one specific inmate who sent her leather crafts. One of
(29:09):
them was a beautiful wallet, very well made leather wallet. Wow. Yeah,
so they they can do some cool stuff. I've seen
some very talented drawings coming from inmates, and I guess
that's another like inmates are still humans. They may have
done terrible things. Some of them haven't done that terrible
of things. Some of them are in there for marijuana use,
(29:33):
but they're still at the core humans who had other
talents and gifts that are going by the wayside because
of life choices.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
And I think like it's very much human nature, Like
our brains are wanting to be creative and you know,
and do things and think things through. And I think
that's just that's very normal. And you know, when you
are serving time and there's a lot of downtime, you know,
(30:00):
I can totally understand the different things that they do
to pass the time.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
You know that. And also art therapy is genuinely helpful
form of therapy that if these people had that outlet
to express themselves to work through if there's mental illness
or whatever, maybe could have gone down different paths. Could
(30:28):
some of these people have been rehabilitated and had different
lives before they did X y Z that landed them
in jail.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, yeah, I mean definitely, especially when when dealing with
things like anger and sadness and feelings of rejection or
not understanding how to solve conflict or move on, you know,
from things like absolutely and a lot of times it
(30:59):
can be generated. And so when you've never learned how
to work through emotions like that, a lot of people
resort to violence. Unfortunately that's the way that it will
come out. So definitely, I am just sipping away on
this wine.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
And I have I definished one. I feel like this
has made me philosophical. Maybe there's some like legit angelic
juice in this or something. I'm feeling a little like,
let's let's love one another, Let's.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Let's find just a happy juice.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I'm not happy. I'm pretty sure one means favorite sound.
You know how some people go to sleep with sounds
of the ocean. Liam goes to sleep just repeated wine pouring.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I watched another docuseries. This one was the face to
face with Scott Peterson on on P and I just
have to talk it out. If you haven't seen it,
it's definitely worth it's worth watching. I can't remember how
many episodes it is, maybe three. So this is the
first time that Scott Peterson has spoken to like any
(32:13):
sort of media from prison. So he did some interviews
back when Lacy was first missing, but got like a
lot of flak for just his demeanor back then, some
of the things that he was saying, some of the
things he wasn't saying body language, just kind.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Of things like that.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
So I watched this, and so he was talking like
via like a video chat from prison, and they also
talked to some of the investigators that were on the case.
But then they also talked to his sister in law.
So she's married to his brother or one of his brothers,
and I've seen her do other interviews too. But the
(32:54):
whole time I'm watching, I'm like, why why is no
one else from the family talking? I get it, like
she was part of the family when you know, everything happened,
she knew Lacey, Like I get that, but I also
was like, well, where's your brother you know?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Or where.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Where's other people in the family that.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Are closer.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
So then it like later reveals that the sister in
law is now a lawyer, like she ended up going
to law school because of Scott's case, and like so
I was like, oh, okay, Like I get it, but
I still was like, where's your other family? Like I
would it just to me like if I had a
family member in this situation. And I truly truly felt
(33:39):
like they were innocent and they've been done wrong. I
would be like preaching it from the rooftops. But then
also so with the stuff that Scott was saying, he
was emotional and not like overly emotional, but there was
like times where he like he would kind of cry
a little bit and say things, and like the number
(34:01):
one thing that he has been criticized for is his
lack of emotion and things like that. And now all
of a sudden he's doing it, and it's like, yeah,
of course, now you're going to do this, you know,
because you're you're you're so close to getting a new trial,
like you know what I mean. So I don't know,
I just it was interesting. It was interesting to watch.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
I haven't seen it, but a few thoughts without seeing it.
Maybe his attorney hired an acting coach for him so
he can come across as more personable and earn more
sympathy than he did the first time. Maybe he didn't,
I don't know. Other potential is maybe the attorney has
advised against other family members speaking out if they also
come across as unpersonable or unlikable on camera, or and
(34:48):
that might just be because they're they're quieter, more reserved.
Some people just don't do well on camera, So maybe
they've been advised to not speak on camera because it
wouldn't help his case, or maybe they don't believe he's innocent.
I mean, if I'm sorry, I'm not gonna lie. I'm
not gonna go camera and be like my brother. My
brother didn't do it, he didn't kill his wife. If I,
(35:10):
deep down in my heart believed he killed lazy like
I wouldn't do that. Yeah, those are just my thoughts.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Well, I'm also like, so, you know, he had the
chance to take the stand in his own defense in
his first trial and he didn't, and that the documentary
does talk about that, you know, and it said that
his lawyer, because of the negative reaction to how he
was in those earlier interviews, advised him like don't don't
(35:36):
do it. But but I just like something that big,
an accusation that big, like I would be like I
I have to go on the stand like I did
not do this, Like I don't.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
I have mixed reaction on it.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
But you know, I can't see that because I feel
like if I was in that position, I wouldn't want
to be able to defend myself. But I also feel
like I have to trust the opinion of the person
who is a professional at defending people in my situation
when they say, hey, it's going to do more harm
to your case than help. You need to just sit
(36:13):
back and let us represents you and defend you. But
I'm also very stubborn and would probably fire that attorney
and get a new one.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Well, and also like think about it like this, you know,
if he does end up being granted a new trial,
him speaking, this is a way that his team and
his attorneys can kind of do a test run and
see what is the reaction from people that watched this
(36:40):
documentary and has it changed you know what I mean?
Has it changed their opinion of him? And then they
could utilize that information when making a decision if he
could possibly take the stand, you know, with a second chance.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
So I don't know, I don't know, but it's just
like a politician very much, very.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Much anyway, again, face to face with Scott Peterson.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
It's on Peacock.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
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Welcome to Crime over Wine Weekly. It's Monday, August twenty sixth.
I'm Heather Holly and these are your crime headlines. A
jury sent ace a Tennessee man to death last week.
Sean Finnegan was convicted in the brutal twenty nineteen murder
of Jennifer Paxton. Investigators say he kidnapped Paxton in December
of twenty nineteen, held her captive in his Oakridge apartment,
repeatedly abused her, and eventually strangled a thirty five year
(00:28):
old to death. Prosecutor say Finegain stored her body in
a freezer that he kept in his bedroom closet, and
he would continue viewing her remains for sexual pleasure. The
jury said these actions were heinous and cruel enough to
warrant the death penalty. Finnegan was sentenced to die by
lethal injection. However, Tennessee has yet to resume execution since
Governor Lee halted them in twenty twenty two when issues
with state protocol and testing came to light. A Pennsylvania
(00:51):
couple will spend eight to sixteen years in jail after
their seven children were found living in deplorable conditions. The
investigation started in April of twenty twenty three, when police
responded to a call about children entering an abandoned trailer.
On the scene, officers found the children lived in the
trailer next door, which was found to be unsafe and unsanitary.
Authorities say they found a padlocked fridge, feces in several places,
(01:13):
and several walls and parts of the floor in disrepair.
The children, all between the ages of four and sixteen,
were malnourished, none of them had ever attended school, and
some didn't even know their birthday. Shane and Crystal Robertson
pleaded guilty to seven counts of child in dangerment and
six summary counts of animal neglect earlier this year. A
judge sentenced the couple to up to sixteen years in
a state correctional institution last week. They also cannot have
(01:36):
any contact with their children until they turn eighteen, and
only with the approval of a court appointed therapist. Three
years after going missing, d An Warner's remains have been found.
Three of D's adult children reported her missing in April
of twenty twenty one. The night the fifty five year
old disappeared, there was a business dispute between D her husband,
Dale Warner, and a couple of her employees. In twenty
(01:58):
twenty three, Dale Warner was charged with open murder and tampering,
even though investigators had yet to find D's body. That
changes past week, when authorities searched Dale's property and tipped
in and located D's remains. Michigan State Police say D's
death has been ruled a homicide and the quote manner
of death has been confirmed. Authorities have not shared any
additional details beyond that statement. Hello, and welcome back to
(02:19):
Crime Overline Weekly, your place to catch up on current
crime headlines while discovering your next favorite bottle of wine.
And of course, I couldn't be doing this without the
criminally brilliant, sharp witted Michelle Heron.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Oh my gosh, criminally brilliant.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I'm like flattered Q Britney spears. Mama, I'm in love
with a criminal. Anyway, How are you, Heather? I'm all right,
all right, We're I can't believe that we're in the
last week of August.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I know, I know like this, you know you're gonna
blink your eyes and it's gonna be Christmas.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
You know that, right? Yeah? Yeah, I do.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Or I Okay, you're gonna blink your eyes and it's
gonna be Halloween're.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Gonna blink my eyes. Is gonna be the day after Halloween,
and I'm gonna be sad.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
True, Oh my gosh. But yeah, this year is flying by,
and before we know it, we are gonna be celebrating
one year of Crime over Wine weekly. Which is insane
to think that we just started this this year.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
But it's almost been a year. I feel like we've
only I feel like I've only been doing this for
a few weeks now.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
It's because we have so much fun we did. Maybe
the wine is hindering your ability to remember.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
That makes me sound like an alcoholic. But speaking of lines.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Exactly, you know what my segue is. And this week's bottle,
it was totally a Heather pick. As soon as I
saw the picture, like, I was like, that is a
bottle of wine that Heather Hollywood pick.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
But I am excited about it.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I really liked the bottle when I saw.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
It, I wanted I wanted to go something a little darker.
We've done Charonay and Rose past couple of weeks, so
we're doing a red this week. It's angels Ink pino noir.
It's a fruit forward with an integrated oak presence. The
wine delights the palette with a crush of berry and
vanilla backed juiciness like a dynamic jazz ensemble. This wine
(04:28):
is a beautiful composition of aromas and flavors all working
together to create melodic harmony in the bottle. So let's
see if it creates some harmony in my mouth.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
And on the front of the bottle, so the bottle
is like black, every okay everyone. What you can't see
is everyone is like rolling here because of what Heather
just said. But the bottle is black, and then the
label it has like some angel wings that are like gold,
(05:01):
and so it's kind of mysterious.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I don't know. I like it.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
It smells good. I was also like in the mood
for like a good red this week, so because yeah,
we have done a lot of the lighter stuff here lately.
So I have been also like craving something dark.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
It's like I'm encouraging it to be fall. I'm tired
of summer. Sorry, summer people.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, like maybe if we just don't like acknowledge summer anymore.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
We'll it just go away. I just keep wearing like
flannels and hoodies. My die of a heat stroke, but
I'll die in comfortable clothes at least. Okay, cheers to that.
Let's try this.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Ooh like it? Like it very Like it's like flavorful
but like mellow at the same time, like it's not
too much. I definitely do get the berry on the front.
Like at first you think it's going to be super sweet,
but then towards the end it's like it's mellow.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, it's it's very smooth going and not overpowering either,
Like it's a strong flavor but not knock you off
your feet. Gag. I do I like this this.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
It's easy to drink. I now see why they say,
like how all the flavors work together and create a
melodic harmony.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yes, there is indeed harmony in my mouth. Uh. Anyway,
you know what, besides buying wine, you can also buy
Crime over Wine merch. The store is officially open.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yes, so excited about this, and people have been talking
about it, like talking about how it's like super cool
that they can now buy andise and support Crime over
Wine and Crime over Wine weekly and people have even
been asking like, is there gonna be like more stuff
(07:07):
added in the future, and hell yeah, I mean why not, Like.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Let's see how much I want to support us, like
buy some merch and maybe more stuff will appear. Mm hmm.
Definitely got to unlock that achievement New achievement unlocked.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Also, so Crime over Wine is officially back. Liam relaunched
the beloved podcast with the Solder Children case. So that
took place Christmas Eve nineteen forty five. There was a
fire in Fayetteville, West Virginia. Ten children in total, five
(07:50):
were believed to have died in the fire, but there
was no evidence of them found in the fire. The
theory was this that the mafia was like involved, and
there's been billboards up for decades of the children to
for someone to come forward and help them solve this case.
(08:11):
So it's it's definitely like and when you see the
pictures of these kids, like your heart goes out to them,
like you know what I mean, these children on Christmas
Eve of all nights, Like you know what I mean,
Like there's so much excitement for so many kids on
the night of Christmas Eve. I just like think about
something like so horrible happening on such an exciting time.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
And then the What really hurt my mama heart was
hearing all the efforts that the parents made trying to
save the children that they thought were still trapped in
that fire, and all of these things that are typically
there and accessible just weren't there or weren't working, And
it really feels like they were set up for failure
(08:56):
and it wasn't. It feels like it wasn't just an accident.
And granted it was nineteen forty five. Technology wasn't what
it is now, but the whole lack of nine to
one to one, taking hours for firefighters to get there,
just a lot went wrong. So and then the whole
(09:18):
like their remains weren't found in the fire. So their parents,
until their dying day, had hoped that their children were
still out there, and there were a few sidings. So
hopefully in the afterlife they have peace and know what
happened to their children and are possibly reunited in that
(09:39):
way if you believe in that. But really heartbreaking case
and really kinnfuzzling, like bamboozling.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, like where does the math Exactly where are the kids?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
I think a lot of it's going to go back
to the time period of you might have been a
tight knit community, but total lack of technology of camera's
video evidence, whatnot. Investigators doing very thorough research into what
caused the fire.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
So you can listen to that right now wherever you
get your podcasts, it's Crime over Wine and again the
episode is the Solder Children, So go ahead and give
that a listen when you get a moment. But coming
up on Crime over Wine weekly, we have lots to
tell you about a teenager goes missing from a mall
(10:30):
in Florida, when investigators are saying about the forty three
year mystery. Plus a myrtle beach man is solving cold
cases with his boogie board. Find out how after these messages.
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An Indiana toddler and his aunt with special needs vanished
nine years ago, and their family is still holding out
for answers. On July twenty fifth, twenty fifteen, Keen Walker's
mother dropped him off at a relative's home in Gary, Indiana,
so she could attend a class. The taller was supposed
to spend the day with his aunt, Diamond Bynum, and
her stepmother's Suzanne Bynum. Suzanne said she took about a
forty minute nap in the early afternoon. When she woke up,
(12:17):
King and Diamond were gone. Suzanne believed the pair went
outside like they had before, but when she couldn't find
King or Diamond outside. She called police. Officers started searching
for the toddler and young woman within an hour, going
door to door and handing out flyers. After four days,
investigators shifted to a large scale search of nearby abandoned buildings.
Canine units tracked both Diamond and King since to a
nearby gas station and train tracks, but nothing After that.
(12:40):
Law enforcement searches were called off in early August due
to a lack of resources. The Northwest Indiana Major Crimes
Task Force re examined the case in twenty sixteen, but
didn't make any progress. In twenty twenty two, the Center
of Missing and Exploited Children produced an age enhanced photo
of King, hoping to generate new leads. King was two
years old when he went missing and Diamond Bynum was
twenty one years old. King would be eleven now in
(13:02):
Diamond would be thirty. If you know anything about this case,
contact Gary Police at two P one nine eight eight
one one two one four.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Police in Florida are still searching for a teenager who
went missing forty three years ago. Mary Opits was seventeen
when she was last seen shopping at Edison Mall. In
Fort Myers with her mother in nineteen eighty one. Her
mom went to visit another store, so Mary took their
shopping bags to the car and told her mom that
(13:31):
she would wait for her there. When her mom came out,
she saw the bags on the hood of the car,
but no sign of Mary. If you have any information,
call Southwest Florida Crime Stoppers at one eight hundred seven
eight zero tips. So this week I came across something wild.
Listen to this. A guy in Myrtle Beach has solved
(13:54):
two cold cases using a sonar device he made at home.
W RL reports. Jason south Rata is a radiology technician
in South Carolina. He created a homemade sonar device that
can see underwater. He goes out with this device with
his boogie board and is using it to scan bodies
(14:16):
of water.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Now.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Back in June, he found a car at the bottom
of a creek in North Carolina. There were three missing
men inside. This case was forty years old. Since then,
he became interested in missing persons cases in the area
where he lives, one of them being a man by
the name of Daniel Riggs. Daniel was last seen buying
(14:38):
a court of oil at a food lion in Myrtle Beach.
In twenty fifteen, a police report showed that his phone
last pinged in an area called Georgetown. Jason went out
to that area with his diving buddy and his homemade
sonar device. This was a boat landing area, and sure
enough they found Daniel Riggs's Dodge Nitro. The diving buddy
(15:02):
got the license plate and then they took it to police.
Police went and searched the area and human remains were
found inside of the Nitro, but authorities have not confirmed
if the remains are Daniels. Jason says he doesn't charge
any of the families. He just does this on his
own time, with his own money. He simply just wants
(15:22):
to help families of missing people. So here this guy
is spending his silver with his boogie board and his
homemade sonar device, and he has now given four families
a little bit of closure as to what kind of
happened to their missing loved ones. You know, gave them
(15:45):
their remains so that they can bury them or do
what they would like with them. I mean, it's insane
to me, but in like a good way, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
He's really using his power for good because he's obviously
very intelligent to have created this. It's his line of
work and he found a way to use it to
help others. And that's really what humankind is about. It
should be about taking your strengths and using that to
(16:17):
help others in community.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
And he had like one message that he wanted to
get out there, and that was, like families of missing people,
he said, don't stop doing new stories, pushing local news
outlets to get your family member's story out there, because
(16:40):
that has helped him. You know, do research on missing
persons cases, find out if anything new has popped up.
You know that that's how he's been able to find
up to date information. And Heather, we can also speak
on that. You know, as we do research into the
cases that we share every week, you know, you take
(17:01):
that person's name and you google it and you try
and find multiple, you know, different stories that are on
the internet so that you can validate information, have up
to date information, you know. So that is something that
definitely if you or if you know someone that does
(17:21):
have a loved one that's missing, keep that story out
there because it is so valuable not to just share
like we need to find this person, but also to
the people that want to help spread that message so
that when we're doing our research we can find it.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Sometimes small factors that are going to be detrimental of
like they were seen, there was a verified siding of
the person in a different state. And also, speaking from
the newsroom angle of that, I know it can be
difficult for families to get your loved ones story out
(18:00):
there with how the news cycle works, because if you're like,
my relative has been missing for five years and someone's like,
oh are their new developments when they're trying to come
up with a way to pitch the story to the
newsroom or whatever, some people may be deterred from pursuing
(18:20):
that story if there haven't been developments. But don't stop
sending that information. Your loved one's life matters. Knowing what
happened to them matters. Everyone has a story, and everyone
deserves to be found, and every family deserves to have answers.
But also we live in this wonderful time of social
(18:45):
media that, when used properly, is a great platform for
giving a voice to the voiceless. In that sense, just
one person shares the post and then one of their
friends shares the posts and suddenly you have people across
the country who seen it and are aware of the situation.
Now they may not be able to join a current
(19:06):
search party, but they can help spread awareness and sometimes
maybe that's what you need the most.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Social media and the Internet it opens up so many
eyes to seeing content and seeing things they probably otherwise
wouldn't have seen, you know, because you might not live
near xyz, but you can be friends or follow someone
(19:36):
who does have ties to different communities, and when they
do share that content, you are now opening that up
to so many more people that otherwise would not have
seen it.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I mean, honestly, I'll probably see more from people sharing
on social media than the local outlets. Like even the
story you just shared, for example, I wouldn't have seen
that on WRAL. I'm not checking Myrtle Beach news. Keep sharing,
keep the information flowing. Be a good community member. Let's
help each other out.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
This Jason guy, he even says like he heard of
the idea from YouTube of making a homemade sonar device,
Like who even knew that that was a thing, you know,
but it goes along with exactly what we were saying,
you know, he came across it on YouTube. Saw it
was like I could totally do that, made the device himself,
and now look at what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
You know. Yeah, And I can't wait to see how
many more people he helps. That's I hope he keeps
sharing his story with others too.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I am going to try and track him down and
I would love to bring him on here to Crime
over Wine Weekly and like talk to him, so fingers
crossed that we can make that happen. But I definitely
would just love to hear from him.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I would too. I might might be a little starstruck there.
He's too smart. He's too smart for me be intimidated
and still to come on Crime over Wine Weekly. A
California veteran walks away from his home one call January
night and hasn't been seen since. Plus more than four
years after her arrest, the Florida woman charged with killing
(21:17):
her boyfriend in a suitcase still hasn't gone to trial.
Why there have been so many delays and when the
judge says the case will move forward?
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at emancipat dot org. Hello everybody, this is Liam Collins,
the host of the podcast Crime Over Wine and Your Wine.
Wednesday just got so much better. Every week we share
a new true crime story over a new bottle of wine.
So your new true crime adventure starts right now every
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Wednesday wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
An Oklahoma mother is desperate to find her son, Sean Yannis,
disappeared in January nineteen ninety nine. His mom says he
disappeared from the family home twenty five years ago. She
said when she got home, there were a couple of
Budweiser Tall Boys in the sink and his cigarettes were there,
but Sean was nowhere to be found. His mom says
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police did some property searches after he went missing. They
also looked in rivers and creeks, but they haven't found
any clues. His mom says Sean had a six year
old son, and he wouldn't have left his son. His
mom says Sean was using drugs at the time that
he disappeared. If you have any information, call the Telequla
Police at night nine one, eight four five six eighty
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eight zero one.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
A veteran walked away from his California home on a
cold January night in twenty sixteen and hasn't been seen since.
Troy Galloway's family says he struggled with mental health and addiction,
but he'd never abandoned his children. Troy enlisted in Marines
in two thousand. His father says he'd developed schizo effective
disorder and given an honorable discharge in two thousand and three.
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On January thirteen, twenty sixteen, Troy left at his home
after a fight with his wife. He wasn't dressed for
the snowy weather, wearing a short sleeved T shirt and
tennis shoes. About thirty minutes after leaving home, Troy's cell
phone was turned off and he hasn't been heard from since.
Titslawed the sheriff's office to search a lake in Troy's
neighborhood twice, once in twenty sixteen and again in twenty
twenty one, but there was no sign of Troy either time.
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Troy would be forty two years old today. He's described
as a white man with brown hair. He's six foot
one and about one hundred and seventy pounds. He has
several tattoos. If you have any information about Troy's whereabouts,
contacts the Telomne County Sheriff's Office at two Tis two
nine five three three five eight, five to five. This week,
I'm going to tell you about the alleged suitcase killer
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in Winter Park, Florida. Sarah Boone called nine one one
the afternoon of February twenty fourth, twenty twenty, saying her
boyfriend Jorge Torres Junior was dead. Boone told investigators she
and Torres were drinking the night before and thought it
would be funny if he got in a suitcase during
a game of hide and seek. Investigators say Boone admitted
to zipping the suitcase closed with Torres inside, went upstairs
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and fell asleep. She woke up the next morning and
found him still inside, unresponsive. While Boone's statements painted a
tragic accident, evidence showed a much different reality. The Orange
County Sheriff's Office says investigators found video on Boone's phone
where Torres can be seen trying to escape the suitcase,
calling for help and yelling he couldn't breathe. In the video,
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Boone is heard saying, quote, that's what I feel like
when you cheat on me. Boone was arrested shortly after
on one count of second degree murder. Fast forward more
than four years since her arrest and Boone has to
go to trial, but she has gone through eight lawyers,
several of which resigned due to irreconcilable differences. After Boone's
last attorney dropped her in June, she wrote a fifty
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eight page letter to the court saying she is not
the problem. According to Court TV, the letter also included
more than a dozen pages of legal definition and excerpts
from the Declaration of Independence. The following month, the judge
ruled Boone has forfeited her right to court appointed counsel
and must represent herself at trial. Boone has argued with
the judge that she doesn't want to represent herself. Anne
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is now seeking a ninth lawyer to take her case.
On July eighteenth, Boon filed a handwritten letter to the
court that included an add to the court that says
inmates seeking attorney and that a quote epic opportunity awaits.
Boone appeared at a hearing earlier this month, saying she's
unprepared due to lack of internet access in jail, requesting
media be banned from future proceedings and to not be
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handcuffed during hearings and the trial. The judge agreed to
remove Boon's cuffs. Days after her first unrestrained appearance. Boone
was accused of hiding staples in her clothes to alter them.
Boone's trial is scheduled to begin October seventh, and the
judge is adamant it will go on as planned.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
All right, she sounds fun.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Hashtag Florida woman. Uh.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
The lack of internet access claim is interesting because a
lot of them now do have access. I mean maybe
it it depends on what type of status she is
inside of the jail that she's at, but I mean
a lot of them have will either be kiosks or
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iPads or.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
You know, something like that. So she does have a
laptop and has had access to a USB drive. The
judge did give her I forgot what the person's official
name is. But they were court appointed to help gather
evidence on her behalf. So I'm guessing that that's being
provided via USB on a laptop because she's complaining that
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she's not able to keep the laptop charged well enough either.
She's got a lot of complain And.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
The staples and her clothes was that to like maybe
make things fit better.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, so she basically hemmed the sleeves and her pants
to make them look more flattering, but doing so made
them contraband and she was issued new clothes. I included
that in there just as an example of she argued
to be unrestrained, and her very first hearing where she's unrestrained,
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they find staples in her clothing. Once she goes back
to jail, It's like, you're not helping your case here.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
The fifty eight page letter was that the handwritten one
either way? Yeah, I will give her props to committing
to fifty eight handwritten pages.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Just who do you think you are that you needed
to write a fifty eight page letter to judge with
a glossary of legal terms, as if he doesn't know
what those are. An excerpt from the Declaration of Independence,
Like what are you? Thomas Jefferson reincarnated Calm Down.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
When I was reporting like full time, I would get
a lot of Jill mail, and one letter I got
it was handwritten and it had the most beautiful cursive
penmanship I've ever seen, like and all of it and
it was like computer paper, so there weren't lines, but
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it was like perfectly straight like.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
And it was a guy.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
It was a guy that wrote it. He was serving
a life sentence for prison, but it was the most
beautiful handwriting I've ever seen in my entire life.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
At least he had that going for him. I just
have to say I was very impressed. He was very impressed. Okay,
But some I've seen some Joie mail to newsrooms that
include some very beautiful leather crafts too. They're doing some
pretty cool arts crafts in there. Sometimes. I have one
anchor at another station I was at who had this
one specific inmate who sent her leather crafts. One of
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them was a beautiful wallet, very well made leather wallet. Wow. Yeah,
so they they can do some cool stuff. I've seen
some very talented drawings coming from inmates, and I guess
that's another like inmates are still humans. They may have
done terrible things. Some of them haven't done that terrible
of things. Some of them are in there for marijuana use,
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but they're still at the core humans who had other
talents and gifts that are going by the wayside because
of life choices.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
And I think like it's very much human nature, Like
our brains are wanting to be creative and you know,
and do things and think things through. And I think
that's just that's very normal. And you know, when you
are serving time and there's a lot of downtime, you know,
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I can totally understand the different things that they do
to pass the time.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
You know that. And also art therapy is genuinely helpful
form of therapy that if these people had that outlet
to express themselves to work through if there's mental illness
or whatever, maybe could have gone down different paths. Could
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some of these people have been rehabilitated and had different
lives before they did X y Z that landed them
in jail.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, yeah, I mean definitely, especially when when dealing with
things like anger and sadness and feelings of rejection or
not understanding how to solve conflict or move on, you know,
from things like absolutely and a lot of times it
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can be generated. And so when you've never learned how
to work through emotions like that, a lot of people
resort to violence. Unfortunately that's the way that it will
come out. So definitely, I am just sipping away on
this wine.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
And I have I definished one. I feel like this
has made me philosophical. Maybe there's some like legit angelic
juice in this or something. I'm feeling a little like,
let's let's love one another, Let's.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Let's find just a happy juice.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I'm not happy. I'm pretty sure one means favorite sound.
You know how some people go to sleep with sounds
of the ocean. Liam goes to sleep just repeated wine pouring.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I watched another docuseries. This one was the face to
face with Scott Peterson on on P and I just
have to talk it out. If you haven't seen it,
it's definitely worth it's worth watching. I can't remember how
many episodes it is, maybe three. So this is the
first time that Scott Peterson has spoken to like any
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sort of media from prison. So he did some interviews
back when Lacy was first missing, but got like a
lot of flak for just his demeanor back then, some
of the things that he was saying, some of the
things he wasn't saying body language, just kind.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Of things like that.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
So I watched this, and so he was talking like
via like a video chat from prison, and they also
talked to some of the investigators that were on the case.
But then they also talked to his sister in law.
So she's married to his brother or one of his brothers,
and I've seen her do other interviews too. But the
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whole time I'm watching, I'm like, why why is no
one else from the family talking? I get it, like
she was part of the family when you know, everything happened,
she knew Lacey, Like I get that, but I also
was like, well, where's your brother you know?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Or where.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Where's other people in the family that.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Are closer.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
So then it like later reveals that the sister in
law is now a lawyer, like she ended up going
to law school because of Scott's case, and like so
I was like, oh, okay, Like I get it, but
I still was like, where's your other family? Like I
would it just to me like if I had a
family member in this situation. And I truly truly felt
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like they were innocent and they've been done wrong. I
would be like preaching it from the rooftops. But then
also so with the stuff that Scott was saying, he
was emotional and not like overly emotional, but there was
like times where he like he would kind of cry
a little bit and say things, and like the number
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one thing that he has been criticized for is his
lack of emotion and things like that. And now all
of a sudden he's doing it, and it's like, yeah,
of course, now you're going to do this, you know,
because you're you're you're so close to getting a new trial,
like you know what I mean. So I don't know,
I just it was interesting. It was interesting to watch.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
I haven't seen it, but a few thoughts without seeing it.
Maybe his attorney hired an acting coach for him so
he can come across as more personable and earn more
sympathy than he did the first time. Maybe he didn't,
I don't know. Other potential is maybe the attorney has
advised against other family members speaking out if they also
come across as unpersonable or unlikable on camera, or and
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that might just be because they're they're quieter, more reserved.
Some people just don't do well on camera, So maybe
they've been advised to not speak on camera because it
wouldn't help his case, or maybe they don't believe he's innocent.
I mean, if I'm sorry, I'm not gonna lie. I'm
not gonna go camera and be like my brother. My
brother didn't do it, he didn't kill his wife. If I,
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deep down in my heart believed he killed lazy like
I wouldn't do that. Yeah, those are just my thoughts.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Well, I'm also like, so, you know, he had the
chance to take the stand in his own defense in
his first trial and he didn't, and that the documentary
does talk about that, you know, and it said that
his lawyer, because of the negative reaction to how he
was in those earlier interviews, advised him like don't don't
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do it. But but I just like something that big,
an accusation that big, like I would be like I
I have to go on the stand like I did
not do this, Like I don't.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
I have mixed reaction on it.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
But you know, I can't see that because I feel
like if I was in that position, I wouldn't want
to be able to defend myself. But I also feel
like I have to trust the opinion of the person
who is a professional at defending people in my situation
when they say, hey, it's going to do more harm
to your case than help. You need to just sit
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back and let us represents you and defend you. But
I'm also very stubborn and would probably fire that attorney
and get a new one.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Well, and also like think about it like this, you know,
if he does end up being granted a new trial,
him speaking, this is a way that his team and
his attorneys can kind of do a test run and
see what is the reaction from people that watched this
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documentary and has it changed you know what I mean?
Has it changed their opinion of him? And then they
could utilize that information when making a decision if he
could possibly take the stand, you know, with a second chance.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
So I don't know, I don't know, but it's just
like a politician very much, very.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Much anyway, again, face to face with Scott Peterson.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
It's on Peacock.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
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