September 9, 2024 • 31 mins
Investigators are still searching for a women who disappeared in 1978.
Plus, an arrest was made in a 1996 cold case - what led investigators to reopening the case.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to Crime over Wine Weekly. It's Monday, September ninth.
I'm Heather Holly and these are your crime headlines.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
There's new help in.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
The search for a missing Tennessee team with autism dwang
Dog the Bounty Hunter Chapman is joining the search for
Sebastian Rogers.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
The fifteen year old was reported.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Missing February twenty sixth He was last seen near his
home in Hendersonville. In a social media post, Dog the
Bounty Hunter as followers to do their part to bring
Sebastian home and says there's a one hundred thousand dollar
reward if you have any information about Sebastian Rodgers whereabouts
called the Sumner County Sheriff's Office at six one five
four five one three eight three eight or the Tennessee
(00:44):
Bureau of Investigation at one eight hundred TVii five authorities
discovered a Georgia woman's remains burning in a bag on
the side of a road in two thousand and seven.
Now her friend faces charges, but not in her death.
DNA testing identified the victim as Nicole Austin. Last year,
the Troop County Sheriff's Office announced the arrest of Angel
Marie Thompson last week. She's charged with concealing Niicole's death,
(01:06):
assuming her identity, and collecting the Nicole's benefits for years.
Authorities are still investigating.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Who is responsible for Nicole's death.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
A New Mexico judge ruled against reopening the case against
Alec Baldwin and the russ Set shooting, citing a technicality.
The prosecution filed a fifty two page motion seeking to
reinstate the involuntary manslaughter charge against the actor. The judge
denied the motion because it exceeded the ten page limit.
The prosecution can resubmit that motion if it meets the
court's requirement. The judge just missed the case against Baldwin
(01:37):
in July after learning the state concealed ammunition evidence from
the defense. Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode
of Crime over Wine Weekly. I'm so happy to have
Michelle back with me this week. Michelle, I was so
lonely without you.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Oh I'm so sorry about last week. If anyone has
ever dealt with migraines, then you'll understand. And one hit
me last week like big time. But and so I'm
sorry that I wasn't here.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
But you feeling better.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I'm here now, Yes, definitely better. I actually I had
like another one on it was either Monday or it
was Tuesday, and that one was really bad too, so
but I think it was I think it's like hormones.
So but.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
It sucks.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
But I'm here.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
So you you had yours, and then Liam had one Monday,
and then I had one on Tuesday too.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I was like, is this contagious? Are we all giving
each other?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I don't know, but man, it like is just awful
when you can't do anything like it just ough.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
So if you.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Don't suffer from migraines, then consider yourself blessed because it's
it's just so hard to describe and when it messes
with like your vision and.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Stuff, like it's crazy. Slightly going off the rails here.
But do you have one of those migraine caps? No?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
And I have been so close to buying one several times,
but I don't know anyone in person that has one.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Do you have one?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I love it?
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Do they work?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
It gives you like it's the perfect coldness. It lasts
a little longer than those normal just like gel I mask.
But it for me, it's the compression in like all
the right places that it relieves that pressure too, like
behind your eyes and stuff. Yeah, like it just okay,
it squeezes in the right place, it stays. It blacks
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out everything too, So if you have the light sensitivity.
I keep mine like stored in the fridge inside of
another container, so since it is fabric so that it
doesn't like pull in any.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Food, odors or anything. But yeah, yes, absolutely one recommend those.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Okay, Okay, well then.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
You have sold me and I might have one on
the way by the end.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Of this podcast on Amazon and a commercial break.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Yes, definitely. Like do they get stuck in your hair?
Speaker 1 (04:11):
There's no velcro or anything in it, and it's it's
a smooth material. It's not it's not like satin like
a pillow. They may make them like that now, but
the one I have isn't. But it's not. I don't
ever have it stuck in my hair.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I don't know why, but I guess I assumed that,
like the inside was like a rubbery, But I don't
know why I think that, like just my brain thinks
that for some reason.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
It is internally but it has like a fabric cover
around it.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Okay, Okay, Wow, Okay, look at look at you being
such an influencer, such a migrating influencer.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Maybe this week I'll be a wine influencer too, Maybe
people will like the one I picked. This.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yes, I've been so excited about this and also like
I feel like I say this every time you pick
a wine, but like there's so many wines out there
that are very like on brand for Heather Holly, and
this is another one.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Like it's like they're never ending, I.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Swear, but I love it, So tell us about the
wine that you've picked.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
This one is called Once Upon a Vine. It's the
big bad blend, and I just the bottle itself, really
cool artwork. It's like a wolf hiding in the trees.
It looks a lot like the Once Upon a Time
the ABC show, like the posters and images they did
for promotions, so it does give that kind of vibe too.
But this one's black and red, has a big bad
(05:34):
wolf peeking out from behind one of the trees. And
like the fairy tales for which they're named, are once
upon a Vine wines each have a rich and enchanting
story to tell. It's a blend of several red varieties.
The big bad red blend apieces are inner dark side,
satisfying that craving for the bold and daring. The wine
leads with a bramble of berries, dark black plum and
(05:56):
root beer flavors framed by toasted spices. Fleshy and ripe,
the palette delivers layers of black fruit with a savory
and spicy character. Subtletanins hold flavors into a long lasting finish,
A perfect pairing for a dark and stormy night.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Ooh.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I Also I love how the wine is described as
fleshy and ripe.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
That's perfect for a crime pot.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
It's fleshy, but like not in a there some weird way,
in a sensual, seductive way.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Okay, I'm excited to try this, so let's let's go.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
It smells good, okay.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Wow, Like it's not just a quasi, that's a genuine
Like it's very smooth but still very bold.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
That is good.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
And like I just this weekend, I mean in a
lot of places in our country, like we have gotten
such a taste of fall, and so I feel like
a red for these like cooler temperatures and like the breeze,
and like it's just I was totally feeling a red.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
So yeah, this is this would be a good fall one.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I wonder how this would be good.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Is it mold when you heat it up like a
mold wine. I feel like this is one that would
be good like warm as well.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Mm hmm, I like that. Yeah, just buy a fire
would be good.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Look at you a lot it a lot it Good
job me, he picked a good one or you know.
I literally walked in and it was an eye level
on the shelf, and I said, yep, I like that.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I like that bottle. I like that price point, and
let's do it.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
This is really good, Like this is a very easy
to drink wine, and it's like very satisfying on so
many levels because it's smooth. There's like a lot of flavor,
but it's not like way too much and it's not
like too sweet.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I would like to be sitting like in his storic
castle with like storm happening, sipping this by a fireplace.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Like the scene that popped in my mind when you
like said that was like when it was storming outside
of the castle and Beauty and the beast.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yes that give me my library, give me my fireplace.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
You can keep the Beast, Keep the Beast.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I do like Beating the Beast is like my favorite
Disney movie, Like it really is.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Have you seen my tattoo?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Have I seen your tattoo?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
You have several?
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Oh my gosh, it's bell.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
It's a stained glass mirror with Belle in it.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
No, how did I not know that you had that?
Speaker 2 (08:48):
It takes up my whole side of my leg.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah, what you guys couldn't see is Heather had her
entire leg lifted up so that it could be in
the camera. You guys might not know this, but we
do this like over the internet, so so just.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Picture it is like looked flexible.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Oh yeah, I'm gonna have to like come and see
that like in person at work.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Do that? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Do that?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Okay, we have a lot to talk about on this
podcast obviously, like we've missed each other and we're totally vibing,
So uh, stay with us and we'll be right back
after these messages.
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Speaker 1 (10:47):
Authorities in York County, South Carolina, need help finding a
man who hasn't been seen for more than two months.
Jeremy Dean Falls was reported missing by his father on
August sixteenth. The thirty eight year old was last seen
walking away from his home on June twentieth. Authorities say
there have been several credible tips, but so far, they
haven't led to Jeremy. He's described as a white man
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about six foot four with brown hair and blue eyes.
It's unknown what he was last wearing. Investigators say he
also owns a home in Gastonia. If you know anything
about Jeremy Falls disappearance, called the York County Sheriff's Office
at eight zero three six two eight three zero five nine.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
A California woman has been at the center of.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
A search for five years. Cheryl McBee was last seen
in the Whitmore General Store in eastern Shasta County on
January twentieth, twenty nineteen. She was driving her white two
thousand and five Jeep Liberty. Her jeep was found one
day later in a small creek. Authorities found some of
her clothing, but Cheryl has never been found. Her family
(11:52):
believes she may be suffering from mental illness. Cheryl may
use the last names Coppethorne or Troop. Cheryl is forty
eight years old, five foot two inches tall, about one
hundred and sixty pounds, with brown hair and brown eyes.
She has a tattoo of the constellation Orion on her
left foot. If you have any information, call the Shasta
(12:15):
County Sheriff's Office at five three zero two four five
sixty twenty five and now to my case of the week.
Twenty three years have passed since a University of South
Carolina student was reported missing. Shelton Sanders was a student
at the university and worked as a computer programmer for
(12:37):
the university's medical school. Authority say Shelton had been with
his friend Mark looking at potential bachelor party venues. His
mom reported him missing on June twentieth, two thousand and one,
when the twenty five year old didn't show up for
work the next morning. Two years after his disappearance, his
white nineteen eighty eight Oldsmobile Regency was found in the
(13:00):
parking lot of an apartment complex. Two years after that,
Mark Anthony Richardson, who authority say was the friend that
Shelton was with the night he went missing, was charged
with his murder. An investigator on the case told ABC
Columbia that they used cell phone records to determine Mark
was at the location where the car was found, but
(13:23):
there was not a body or location of remains, so
when Mark went on trial in two thousand and eight,
it resulted in a hung jury and the judge declared
a mistrial. The family believes Shelton is dead, but they
are asking for information on where his remains are. The
family is offering fifty thousand dollars for information leading to
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the discovery of his remains. If you have any information,
call the Shelton Sanders Information Hotline at eight zero three
four two seven forty two zero nine. So I kind
of did a little bit more digging to find out
more information about this because it was to me, this
(14:07):
is just crazy. So the connection between Mark and Shelton,
obviously they were friends, but like, how how good of friends?
Mark was Shelton's former college roommate, so they know each
other pretty well. And the night that he was out
with Mark and they were looking at bachelor party venues,
(14:30):
Shelton had called his mom to say that he was
coming home late, and that call was around eight thirty
at night, and Shelton never showed up. So investigators say
that from cell phone data, uh, the two were at
several hotels between nine thirty at night and ten PM,
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and then they returned to Marx between eleven and eleven
thirty PM. A neighbor that lived near Mark heard three
gunshots near Mark's home so the neighbor walked over to
find out if everything was okay, like what happened? And
Mark talked to the neighbor and said everything was fine
and that his car had backfired. So now, like let's
(15:13):
fast forward to when the car was found two years later,
Mark made statements to investigators that led the focus to
be on him, things like this is what he asked investigators,
let me ask you a hypothetical question. Is there such
a thing as an accidental death in South Carolina? That's
(15:35):
something weird to say to investigators when they're investigating a
missing person's case and that person might not be alive.
And then also he asked investigators, how can I explain
getting rid of a body? That's a little weird too,
So Mark.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Told investigators that he did help look for his.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Friend, and then after that he refused to say anything else.
So obviously, despite these like very weird statements to say
to investigators, when it went to trial, essentially because there
wasn't a body, there wasn't like that type of evidence
that jury's really like to see, they couldn't come to
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his decision. So like the number one question is like
could this case be tried again? And yes it can,
and the family. Shelton's family believes that other people could
have information in the case, and so that's why they're like,
we're not going away. We deserve at least the closure
of having his remains and being able to do with
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them what we want. And this case has even caught
the attention of former Dallas cowboy Emmitt Smith.
Speaker 6 (16:52):
So it's just it's crazy that.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
I don't know, like I just I really think about
like what could have happened, Like you guys were.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
You know, oh, and this.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Is allegedly if Mark did it, because he is innocent
until proven guilty, But like you guys were going and
looking at like bachelor party venues, like you know what
I mean, Like that's like an exciting time, Like you
guys are making plans. There's like something really like a
really cool memory like coming up here in the future.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
So like what could have happened to have turned.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
And who was getting married.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Mark?
Speaker 3 (17:37):
I believe Mark was.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah, And I mean the person you take with you
to look at your bachelor party like planning and stuff,
that's probably your best man typically, So I mean, it's
not just like former college roommate. The naro indicates a
close friendship there, and I'm sorry, does he think everyone
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else is stupid?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Or is he stupid?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Mark?
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Because your car backfired three times? That's not how that works.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Like, yeah, like something it whatever, it was whatever the
neighbor heard, they heard three of and it was enough
to where like we're talking about eleven thirty midnight at night,
Like here's something and is alarmed enough to go and
check on your neighbor?
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Like you know what I mean, Yeah, car backfires, not
the lie I would provide in that situation. And then
at is there such a thing as an accidental death?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
What? What? Yeah? I don't like asking these questions.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
I'm sorry, Like ask an attorney. Don't ask the police
if you commit a crime, if there's like a like
legal loophole for you there, because.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Yeah, like those are questions that you should be asking
someone who can represent you, because.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
The police are not IDK. Let's find out in jail.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Not use against you in a court of law. So
they're like, I don't know, I just really what just
what struck me is like I just really think about
like that friendship and just yeah, exactly what could have
gone wrong to like turn it like.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
One eighty, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yeah, And I mean the fact he asked about accidental
that like maybe it was an accident because you know,
boys in South Carolina, a lot of them like guns
and if they're you know, getting ready for the bachelor
party or whatever, maybe they were out there messing with
some guns and maybe they weren't totally sober. This is
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all speculation. I don't know these people at all. I
just live in the South. So maybe maybe there was
a horrible accident and he didn't know what to do.
But still, like this man's actions do not the good,
Like the questions and the comments to the neighbor, not promising,
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like not does not make you look innocent.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Mm hm.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
So you know, I just really hope that someone does,
if they do know some sort of information about this case,
like do the right thing, come forward and talk about it.
Let this family have the closure that they so much
desperately deserve at this point, and let let justice prevail.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
So you said this captured in Smith's attention the football player.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
So what is he offering over war or something?
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Not a reward that I've seen, but he has like
helped create the hotline, the uh, the Shelton Sanders Information Hotline.
And then also like there's a Facebook page that's out
there that just like really help helping get his name
and the story out there so that more people that
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have heard about it can come forward and you know,
just get give the exposure.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
That's still really great because he has he has the
platform to get that out there. So we we definitely
love seeing people with that stature helping where they can
because that's one of the best ways they can get
back to their community.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Mm hmm. And sometimes like people don't feel comfortable talking
to the police. They don't feel comfortable even if they
are trying to do the right thing. You know, they're
just isn't trust there within some communities. And so you know,
if someone feels more comfortable calling a hotline it to
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give their information, then yeah, like that's that's a small fix,
like set something small that can be done if it
means that's what needs to be done to help salt
this case.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
And what's that number again?
Speaker 3 (22:25):
So the number to the Shelton Sanders Information Hotline is
eight zero three four two seven four to two zero nine.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
All right, So if anyone out there can help this family.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Let's help them, Let's get some closure and answers still
to come. On Crime over Wine Weekly, authorities are still
searching for a woman who vanished in nineteen seventy eight,
plus an arrest in a nineteen ninety six cold case
what led investigators to reopening the case.
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Speaker 3 (24:10):
Investigators continue to search for a woman missing out of Pennsylvania.
Joanne Williams was twenty two when she was reported missing
on December seventh, nineteen seventy eight. Police say she left
her home in Scranton to go to an exercise class
at her dance school. She left the dance school around
ten o'clock that night and never arrived home and was
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never heard from again. Nine days after she went missing,
her car was found unlocked, with her paycheck and purse undisturbed.
She was declared legally dead in nineteen ninety one. If
you have any information about Joanne Williams, call Pennsylvania State
Police at one eight hundred four seven two eighty four
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seventy seven.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
A sixteen year.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Old boy is missing in Florence, South Carolina. Master August
Johnson was last seen on June. There aren't many details
available surrounding his disappearance. The authorities say he may stay
in the area or travel to Horry County, Richland County,
or Dorchester County, South Carolina. He may also go by
August Masters described as a black mail with short, dark
(25:15):
hair and brown eyes. The National Center for Missing and
Exploited Children says to use caution. If you see the team,
do not approach him, and contact law enforcement immediately. If
you know anything about Master Johnson's whereabouts, contact the Florence
Police Department at eight four three six sixty five three
one nine one. And now turning to my case of
the week, a family finally has some closure In a
(25:37):
nearly two decade old cold case, Doris Carrell's body was
discovered on December fifteenth, nineteen ninety six. The forty five
year old was found floating in a drainage canal in
Manitee County, Florida. According to the medical examiner, Doris was
stabbed eighty three times.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
She also had signs of.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Trauma on her neck and face. However, the investigation didn't
advance much further due to a lack of evidence. Another
key piece of this case. At the time, detectives Amanite
County didn't know police in Saint Petersburg were searching for
this woman. Doris's daughter reported her missing.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
She told police.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Doris's boyfriend said she went shopping after the couple got
into a fight. Doris's car was later found at the
local mall, but there was no sign of Doris. NBC
reports Doris's boyfriend, Stephen Ford, made quote troubling statements and
attempted suicide in the following days. Ford denied any involvement
in Doris's disappearance, and he eventually moved to Delaware. The
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case was given new life in twenty seventeen when new
information came to light. The Manateee County Sheriff's Offices says
acquaintances of Doris told investigator she and Ford were having
domestic and financial problems.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Caled case.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Detectives save Ford's behavior in the nineties quote showed a
clear pattern of consciousness of guilt.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
The Sheriff's office says evidence in Ford's.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Delibered attempts to mislead law enforcement are probable cause that
he killed Doris. Investigators now believe Ford drove Doris's car
to the mall and wiped it down. Authorities arrested him
near his home in Georgetown, Delaware, on August sixth. Ford
was extradiited to Manity County, where he remains in jail.
Ford is now seventy two years old. He's charged with
second degree murder. According to the Florida Attorney General's Office.
(27:08):
Foresaid quote, my past has come up to haunt me
after his arrest.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Wow, it honestly sounds like he has probably lived all
these years looking over his shoulder.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
It does like to make that comment and the actions
that he took, that he attempted to die by suicide
in the time after her disappearance. The man has been
paranoid to say, at least.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Which I mean if someone does something like that, if
you take someone's life, like I think, there can be
nothing worse than to have that haunt your mind for
the rest of your life, you know what I mean.
I think that's even worse than jail.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah, and even if it was an accident, like even
if you didn't intentionally kill the person and then you
try to hide it, that's gonna weigh heavy on your
heart and your conscience for the rest of your life. Wow.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
It'll be interesting to see. Will he take a plea
deal just to be done with it. I wonder like,
just given his age, will they give him some sort
of lighter sentence, especially if he does take a plea deal.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I haven't seen him pleading one way or the other
yet because this arrest just happened and it was an
extradition as well.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
So will he confess to it.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
But I do think his age will play a big
factor in it.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
He's seventy something.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I mean, a life sentence might be ten years.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Yeah, And we hear like about domestic violence so much
in the crime world, and all you have to do
is break up with somebody or divorce them. Like in
all actuality, it is not that bad, you know what
I mean, compared to what comes with taking someone's life
(28:56):
and all of the things that come with that, both
like emotional and mental and you know, judicial, It's just
like all of this could have been avoided had.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
It just ended, you know what I mean, right.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I don't get the mentality of like if I can't
have you, no one can have you, or like, yeah,
I know it hurts and you may feel you'll never
recover from that, or they were the one and maybe
they were, but maybe you weren't the one, And if
you really love someone, you have to let them go
and then maybe it'll work out in the future after
(29:31):
you both do some more growing, healing, whatever needs to happen.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
I like agree one percent because it's just like so
so much could have been avoided.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
It's just done the.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Healthier thing.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Okay, So I think we are both in very.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Much agreement that this is like.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
A good wine, a good pick very much. I would
put this in my top five. There you go, top
five of the one like that we've picked. Like, hm,
I do like it.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
I'm already like done with a glass.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
So like this one can it rivals with Prophecy. I
will put it up there to compete with Prophecy. M hm.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
We haven't had a Prophecy wine in a minute. We
haven't done their like redline.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Oh, we only have like two left, so it's trying
to like, yeah, put a little break in between there, okay,
because we'll run out and then we won't have any prophecy.
Are we allowed to revisit ones that we like, we can,
We'll be revisiting this one like that.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Maybe we can revisit like the favorite for a milestone
episode or something.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Maybe like our one year anniversary.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Yeah, which which is like not that far away, that.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Is rapidly approaching. Time is fleeting. Death is imminent, and
so is our one year anniversary.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Oh man, Okay, Hey, thanks.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
For listening to everyone.
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Proud member of the Podnuga Network,
Welcome to Crime over Wine Weekly. It's Monday, September ninth.
I'm Heather Holly and these are your crime headlines.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
There's new help in.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
The search for a missing Tennessee team with autism dwang
Dog the Bounty Hunter Chapman is joining the search for
Sebastian Rogers.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
The fifteen year old was reported.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Missing February twenty sixth He was last seen near his
home in Hendersonville. In a social media post, Dog the
Bounty Hunter as followers to do their part to bring
Sebastian home and says there's a one hundred thousand dollar
reward if you have any information about Sebastian Rodgers whereabouts
called the Sumner County Sheriff's Office at six one five
four five one three eight three eight or the Tennessee
(00:44):
Bureau of Investigation at one eight hundred TVii five authorities
discovered a Georgia woman's remains burning in a bag on
the side of a road in two thousand and seven.
Now her friend faces charges, but not in her death.
DNA testing identified the victim as Nicole Austin. Last year,
the Troop County Sheriff's Office announced the arrest of Angel
Marie Thompson last week. She's charged with concealing Niicole's death,
(01:06):
assuming her identity, and collecting the Nicole's benefits for years.
Authorities are still investigating.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Who is responsible for Nicole's death.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
A New Mexico judge ruled against reopening the case against
Alec Baldwin and the russ Set shooting, citing a technicality.
The prosecution filed a fifty two page motion seeking to
reinstate the involuntary manslaughter charge against the actor. The judge
denied the motion because it exceeded the ten page limit.
The prosecution can resubmit that motion if it meets the
court's requirement. The judge just missed the case against Baldwin
(01:37):
in July after learning the state concealed ammunition evidence from
the defense. Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode
of Crime over Wine Weekly. I'm so happy to have
Michelle back with me this week. Michelle, I was so
lonely without you.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Oh I'm so sorry about last week. If anyone has
ever dealt with migraines, then you'll understand. And one hit
me last week like big time. But and so I'm
sorry that I wasn't here.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
But you feeling better.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I'm here now, Yes, definitely better. I actually I had
like another one on it was either Monday or it
was Tuesday, and that one was really bad too, so
but I think it was I think it's like hormones.
So but.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
It sucks.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
But I'm here.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
So you you had yours, and then Liam had one Monday,
and then I had one on Tuesday too.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I was like, is this contagious? Are we all giving
each other?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I don't know, but man, it like is just awful
when you can't do anything like it just ough.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
So if you.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Don't suffer from migraines, then consider yourself blessed because it's
it's just so hard to describe and when it messes
with like your vision and.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Stuff, like it's crazy. Slightly going off the rails here.
But do you have one of those migraine caps? No?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
And I have been so close to buying one several times,
but I don't know anyone in person that has one.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Do you have one?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I love it?
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Do they work?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
It gives you like it's the perfect coldness. It lasts
a little longer than those normal just like gel I mask.
But it for me, it's the compression in like all
the right places that it relieves that pressure too, like
behind your eyes and stuff. Yeah, like it just okay,
it squeezes in the right place, it stays. It blacks
(03:40):
out everything too, So if you have the light sensitivity.
I keep mine like stored in the fridge inside of
another container, so since it is fabric so that it
doesn't like pull in any.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Food, odors or anything. But yeah, yes, absolutely one recommend those.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Okay, Okay, well then.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
You have sold me and I might have one on
the way by the end.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Of this podcast on Amazon and a commercial break.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Yes, definitely. Like do they get stuck in your hair?
Speaker 1 (04:11):
There's no velcro or anything in it, and it's it's
a smooth material. It's not it's not like satin like
a pillow. They may make them like that now, but
the one I have isn't. But it's not. I don't
ever have it stuck in my hair.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I don't know why, but I guess I assumed that,
like the inside was like a rubbery, But I don't
know why I think that, like just my brain thinks
that for some reason.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
It is internally but it has like a fabric cover
around it.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Okay, Okay, Wow, Okay, look at look at you being
such an influencer, such a migrating influencer.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Maybe this week I'll be a wine influencer too, Maybe
people will like the one I picked. This.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yes, I've been so excited about this and also like
I feel like I say this every time you pick
a wine, but like there's so many wines out there
that are very like on brand for Heather Holly, and
this is another one.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Like it's like they're never ending, I.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Swear, but I love it, So tell us about the
wine that you've picked.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
This one is called Once Upon a Vine. It's the
big bad blend, and I just the bottle itself, really
cool artwork. It's like a wolf hiding in the trees.
It looks a lot like the Once Upon a Time
the ABC show, like the posters and images they did
for promotions, so it does give that kind of vibe too.
But this one's black and red, has a big bad
(05:34):
wolf peeking out from behind one of the trees. And
like the fairy tales for which they're named, are once
upon a Vine wines each have a rich and enchanting
story to tell. It's a blend of several red varieties.
The big bad red blend apieces are inner dark side,
satisfying that craving for the bold and daring. The wine
leads with a bramble of berries, dark black plum and
(05:56):
root beer flavors framed by toasted spices. Fleshy and ripe,
the palette delivers layers of black fruit with a savory
and spicy character. Subtletanins hold flavors into a long lasting finish,
A perfect pairing for a dark and stormy night.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Ooh.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I Also I love how the wine is described as
fleshy and ripe.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
That's perfect for a crime pot.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
It's fleshy, but like not in a there some weird way,
in a sensual, seductive way.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Okay, I'm excited to try this, so let's let's go.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
It smells good, okay.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Wow, Like it's not just a quasi, that's a genuine
Like it's very smooth but still very bold.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
That is good.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
And like I just this weekend, I mean in a
lot of places in our country, like we have gotten
such a taste of fall, and so I feel like
a red for these like cooler temperatures and like the breeze,
and like it's just I was totally feeling a red.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
So yeah, this is this would be a good fall one.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I wonder how this would be good.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Is it mold when you heat it up like a
mold wine. I feel like this is one that would
be good like warm as well.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Mm hmm, I like that. Yeah, just buy a fire
would be good.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Look at you a lot it a lot it Good
job me, he picked a good one or you know.
I literally walked in and it was an eye level
on the shelf, and I said, yep, I like that.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I like that bottle. I like that price point, and
let's do it.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
This is really good, Like this is a very easy
to drink wine, and it's like very satisfying on so
many levels because it's smooth. There's like a lot of flavor,
but it's not like way too much and it's not
like too sweet.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I would like to be sitting like in his storic
castle with like storm happening, sipping this by a fireplace.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Like the scene that popped in my mind when you
like said that was like when it was storming outside
of the castle and Beauty and the beast.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yes that give me my library, give me my fireplace.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
You can keep the Beast, Keep the Beast.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I do like Beating the Beast is like my favorite
Disney movie, Like it really is.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Have you seen my tattoo?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Have I seen your tattoo?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
You have several?
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Oh my gosh, it's bell.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
It's a stained glass mirror with Belle in it.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
No, how did I not know that you had that?
Speaker 2 (08:48):
It takes up my whole side of my leg.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah, what you guys couldn't see is Heather had her
entire leg lifted up so that it could be in
the camera. You guys might not know this, but we
do this like over the internet, so so just.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Picture it is like looked flexible.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Oh yeah, I'm gonna have to like come and see
that like in person at work.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Do that? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Do that?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Okay, we have a lot to talk about on this
podcast obviously, like we've missed each other and we're totally vibing,
So uh, stay with us and we'll be right back
after these messages.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
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Speaker 1 (10:47):
Authorities in York County, South Carolina, need help finding a
man who hasn't been seen for more than two months.
Jeremy Dean Falls was reported missing by his father on
August sixteenth. The thirty eight year old was last seen
walking away from his home on June twentieth. Authorities say
there have been several credible tips, but so far, they
haven't led to Jeremy. He's described as a white man
(11:08):
about six foot four with brown hair and blue eyes.
It's unknown what he was last wearing. Investigators say he
also owns a home in Gastonia. If you know anything
about Jeremy Falls disappearance, called the York County Sheriff's Office
at eight zero three six two eight three zero five nine.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
A California woman has been at the center of.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
A search for five years. Cheryl McBee was last seen
in the Whitmore General Store in eastern Shasta County on
January twentieth, twenty nineteen. She was driving her white two
thousand and five Jeep Liberty. Her jeep was found one
day later in a small creek. Authorities found some of
her clothing, but Cheryl has never been found. Her family
(11:52):
believes she may be suffering from mental illness. Cheryl may
use the last names Coppethorne or Troop. Cheryl is forty
eight years old, five foot two inches tall, about one
hundred and sixty pounds, with brown hair and brown eyes.
She has a tattoo of the constellation Orion on her
left foot. If you have any information, call the Shasta
(12:15):
County Sheriff's Office at five three zero two four five
sixty twenty five and now to my case of the week.
Twenty three years have passed since a University of South
Carolina student was reported missing. Shelton Sanders was a student
at the university and worked as a computer programmer for
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the university's medical school. Authority say Shelton had been with
his friend Mark looking at potential bachelor party venues. His
mom reported him missing on June twentieth, two thousand and one,
when the twenty five year old didn't show up for
work the next morning. Two years after his disappearance, his
white nineteen eighty eight Oldsmobile Regency was found in the
(13:00):
parking lot of an apartment complex. Two years after that,
Mark Anthony Richardson, who authority say was the friend that
Shelton was with the night he went missing, was charged
with his murder. An investigator on the case told ABC
Columbia that they used cell phone records to determine Mark
was at the location where the car was found, but
(13:23):
there was not a body or location of remains, so
when Mark went on trial in two thousand and eight,
it resulted in a hung jury and the judge declared
a mistrial. The family believes Shelton is dead, but they
are asking for information on where his remains are. The
family is offering fifty thousand dollars for information leading to
(13:46):
the discovery of his remains. If you have any information,
call the Shelton Sanders Information Hotline at eight zero three
four two seven forty two zero nine. So I kind
of did a little bit more digging to find out
more information about this because it was to me, this
(14:07):
is just crazy. So the connection between Mark and Shelton,
obviously they were friends, but like, how how good of friends?
Mark was Shelton's former college roommate, so they know each
other pretty well. And the night that he was out
with Mark and they were looking at bachelor party venues,
(14:30):
Shelton had called his mom to say that he was
coming home late, and that call was around eight thirty
at night, and Shelton never showed up. So investigators say
that from cell phone data, uh, the two were at
several hotels between nine thirty at night and ten PM,
(14:50):
and then they returned to Marx between eleven and eleven
thirty PM. A neighbor that lived near Mark heard three
gunshots near Mark's home so the neighbor walked over to
find out if everything was okay, like what happened? And
Mark talked to the neighbor and said everything was fine
and that his car had backfired. So now, like let's
(15:13):
fast forward to when the car was found two years later,
Mark made statements to investigators that led the focus to
be on him, things like this is what he asked investigators,
let me ask you a hypothetical question. Is there such
a thing as an accidental death in South Carolina? That's
(15:35):
something weird to say to investigators when they're investigating a
missing person's case and that person might not be alive.
And then also he asked investigators, how can I explain
getting rid of a body? That's a little weird too,
So Mark.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Told investigators that he did help look for his.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Friend, and then after that he refused to say anything else.
So obviously, despite these like very weird statements to say
to investigators, when it went to trial, essentially because there
wasn't a body, there wasn't like that type of evidence
that jury's really like to see, they couldn't come to
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his decision. So like the number one question is like
could this case be tried again? And yes it can,
and the family. Shelton's family believes that other people could
have information in the case, and so that's why they're like,
we're not going away. We deserve at least the closure
of having his remains and being able to do with
(16:45):
them what we want. And this case has even caught
the attention of former Dallas cowboy Emmitt Smith.
Speaker 6 (16:52):
So it's just it's crazy that.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
I don't know, like I just I really think about
like what could have happened, Like you guys were.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
You know, oh, and this.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Is allegedly if Mark did it, because he is innocent
until proven guilty, But like you guys were going and
looking at like bachelor party venues, like you know what
I mean, Like that's like an exciting time, Like you
guys are making plans. There's like something really like a
really cool memory like coming up here in the future.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
So like what could have happened to have turned.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
And who was getting married.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Mark?
Speaker 3 (17:37):
I believe Mark was.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah, And I mean the person you take with you
to look at your bachelor party like planning and stuff,
that's probably your best man typically, So I mean, it's
not just like former college roommate. The naro indicates a
close friendship there, and I'm sorry, does he think everyone
(18:06):
else is stupid?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Or is he stupid?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Mark?
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Because your car backfired three times? That's not how that works.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Like, yeah, like something it whatever, it was whatever the
neighbor heard, they heard three of and it was enough
to where like we're talking about eleven thirty midnight at night,
Like here's something and is alarmed enough to go and
check on your neighbor?
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Like you know what I mean, Yeah, car backfires, not
the lie I would provide in that situation. And then
at is there such a thing as an accidental death?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
What? What? Yeah? I don't like asking these questions.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
I'm sorry, Like ask an attorney. Don't ask the police
if you commit a crime, if there's like a like
legal loophole for you there, because.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Yeah, like those are questions that you should be asking
someone who can represent you, because.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
The police are not IDK. Let's find out in jail.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Not use against you in a court of law. So
they're like, I don't know, I just really what just
what struck me is like I just really think about
like that friendship and just yeah, exactly what could have
gone wrong to like turn it like.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
One eighty, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yeah, And I mean the fact he asked about accidental
that like maybe it was an accident because you know,
boys in South Carolina, a lot of them like guns
and if they're you know, getting ready for the bachelor
party or whatever, maybe they were out there messing with
some guns and maybe they weren't totally sober. This is
(20:01):
all speculation. I don't know these people at all. I
just live in the South. So maybe maybe there was
a horrible accident and he didn't know what to do.
But still, like this man's actions do not the good,
Like the questions and the comments to the neighbor, not promising,
(20:23):
like not does not make you look innocent.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Mm hm.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
So you know, I just really hope that someone does,
if they do know some sort of information about this case,
like do the right thing, come forward and talk about it.
Let this family have the closure that they so much
desperately deserve at this point, and let let justice prevail.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
So you said this captured in Smith's attention the football player.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
So what is he offering over war or something?
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Not a reward that I've seen, but he has like
helped create the hotline, the uh, the Shelton Sanders Information Hotline.
And then also like there's a Facebook page that's out
there that just like really help helping get his name
and the story out there so that more people that
(21:26):
have heard about it can come forward and you know,
just get give the exposure.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
That's still really great because he has he has the
platform to get that out there. So we we definitely
love seeing people with that stature helping where they can
because that's one of the best ways they can get
back to their community.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Mm hmm. And sometimes like people don't feel comfortable talking
to the police. They don't feel comfortable even if they
are trying to do the right thing. You know, they're
just isn't trust there within some communities. And so you know,
if someone feels more comfortable calling a hotline it to
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give their information, then yeah, like that's that's a small fix,
like set something small that can be done if it
means that's what needs to be done to help salt
this case.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
And what's that number again?
Speaker 3 (22:25):
So the number to the Shelton Sanders Information Hotline is
eight zero three four two seven four to two zero nine.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
All right, So if anyone out there can help this family.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Let's help them, Let's get some closure and answers still
to come. On Crime over Wine Weekly, authorities are still
searching for a woman who vanished in nineteen seventy eight,
plus an arrest in a nineteen ninety six cold case
what led investigators to reopening the case.
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Hello Crime over Wine listeners, I am Rachel and I'm Heather.
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Investigators continue to search for a woman missing out of Pennsylvania.
Joanne Williams was twenty two when she was reported missing
on December seventh, nineteen seventy eight. Police say she left
her home in Scranton to go to an exercise class
at her dance school. She left the dance school around
ten o'clock that night and never arrived home and was
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never heard from again. Nine days after she went missing,
her car was found unlocked, with her paycheck and purse undisturbed.
She was declared legally dead in nineteen ninety one. If
you have any information about Joanne Williams, call Pennsylvania State
Police at one eight hundred four seven two eighty four
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seventy seven.
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A sixteen year.
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Old boy is missing in Florence, South Carolina. Master August
Johnson was last seen on June. There aren't many details
available surrounding his disappearance. The authorities say he may stay
in the area or travel to Horry County, Richland County,
or Dorchester County, South Carolina. He may also go by
August Masters described as a black mail with short, dark
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hair and brown eyes. The National Center for Missing and
Exploited Children says to use caution. If you see the team,
do not approach him, and contact law enforcement immediately. If
you know anything about Master Johnson's whereabouts, contact the Florence
Police Department at eight four three six sixty five three
one nine one. And now turning to my case of
the week, a family finally has some closure In a
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nearly two decade old cold case, Doris Carrell's body was
discovered on December fifteenth, nineteen ninety six. The forty five
year old was found floating in a drainage canal in
Manitee County, Florida. According to the medical examiner, Doris was
stabbed eighty three times.
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She also had signs of.
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Trauma on her neck and face. However, the investigation didn't
advance much further due to a lack of evidence. Another
key piece of this case. At the time, detectives Amanite
County didn't know police in Saint Petersburg were searching for
this woman. Doris's daughter reported her missing.
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She told police.
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Doris's boyfriend said she went shopping after the couple got
into a fight. Doris's car was later found at the
local mall, but there was no sign of Doris. NBC
reports Doris's boyfriend, Stephen Ford, made quote troubling statements and
attempted suicide in the following days. Ford denied any involvement
in Doris's disappearance, and he eventually moved to Delaware. The
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case was given new life in twenty seventeen when new
information came to light. The Manateee County Sheriff's Offices says
acquaintances of Doris told investigator she and Ford were having
domestic and financial problems.
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Caled case.
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Detectives save Ford's behavior in the nineties quote showed a
clear pattern of consciousness of guilt.
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The Sheriff's office says evidence in Ford's.
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Delibered attempts to mislead law enforcement are probable cause that
he killed Doris. Investigators now believe Ford drove Doris's car
to the mall and wiped it down. Authorities arrested him
near his home in Georgetown, Delaware, on August sixth. Ford
was extradiited to Manity County, where he remains in jail.
Ford is now seventy two years old. He's charged with
second degree murder. According to the Florida Attorney General's Office.
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Foresaid quote, my past has come up to haunt me
after his arrest.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Wow, it honestly sounds like he has probably lived all
these years looking over his shoulder.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
It does like to make that comment and the actions
that he took, that he attempted to die by suicide
in the time after her disappearance. The man has been
paranoid to say, at least.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Which I mean if someone does something like that, if
you take someone's life, like I think, there can be
nothing worse than to have that haunt your mind for
the rest of your life, you know what I mean.
I think that's even worse than jail.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah, and even if it was an accident, like even
if you didn't intentionally kill the person and then you
try to hide it, that's gonna weigh heavy on your
heart and your conscience for the rest of your life. Wow.
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It'll be interesting to see. Will he take a plea
deal just to be done with it. I wonder like,
just given his age, will they give him some sort
of lighter sentence, especially if he does take a plea deal.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I haven't seen him pleading one way or the other
yet because this arrest just happened and it was an
extradition as well.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
So will he confess to it.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
But I do think his age will play a big
factor in it.
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He's seventy something.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I mean, a life sentence might be ten years.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Yeah, And we hear like about domestic violence so much
in the crime world, and all you have to do
is break up with somebody or divorce them. Like in
all actuality, it is not that bad, you know what
I mean, compared to what comes with taking someone's life
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and all of the things that come with that, both
like emotional and mental and you know, judicial, It's just
like all of this could have been avoided had.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
It just ended, you know what I mean, right.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I don't get the mentality of like if I can't
have you, no one can have you, or like, yeah,
I know it hurts and you may feel you'll never
recover from that, or they were the one and maybe
they were, but maybe you weren't the one, And if
you really love someone, you have to let them go
and then maybe it'll work out in the future after
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you both do some more growing, healing, whatever needs to happen.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
I like agree one percent because it's just like so
so much could have been avoided.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
It's just done the.
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Healthier thing.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Okay, So I think we are both in very.
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Much agreement that this is like.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
A good wine, a good pick very much. I would
put this in my top five. There you go, top
five of the one like that we've picked. Like, hm,
I do like it.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
I'm already like done with a glass.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
So like this one can it rivals with Prophecy. I
will put it up there to compete with Prophecy. M hm.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
We haven't had a Prophecy wine in a minute. We
haven't done their like redline.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Oh, we only have like two left, so it's trying
to like, yeah, put a little break in between there, okay,
because we'll run out and then we won't have any prophecy.
Are we allowed to revisit ones that we like, we can,
We'll be revisiting this one like that.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Maybe we can revisit like the favorite for a milestone
episode or something.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Maybe like our one year anniversary.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Yeah, which which is like not that far away, that.
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Is rapidly approaching. Time is fleeting. Death is imminent, and
so is our one year anniversary.
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Oh man, Okay, Hey, thanks.
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