September 23, 2024 • 30 mins
Investigators are trying to figure out if threatening text messages could be connected to an Oregon man's disappearance.
Plus, a deathbed confession helps bring home a mother and daughter 24 year years after they went missing.
This week, we're drinking Trader Joe's Pumpkin Spice Chardonnay.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to Crime Overwine Weekly. It's Monday, September twenty third.
I'm Heather Holly, and these are your crime headlines. The
man hunt for the Kentucky interstate shooting suspect ended after
a couple discovered his body in the woods. Investigator say
on September seventh, Joseph Couch perched on the cliff's edge
and opened fire on drivers on I seventy five in
Laurel County. Five people were shot and survived. Eleven days later,
(00:29):
a couple found a body in the woods near the scene.
Authorities have confirmed the body as Joseph Couch's. The medical
examiner says he died by a self inflicted gunshot wound.
A Mississippi team will spend the rest of her life
in prison. A jury convicted fifteen year old Carly Gregg
and her mother's murder and the shooting of her stepfather.
The defense argued greg was not guilty by reason of insanity,
(00:50):
but the state claims she didn't meet the requirements to
be deemed criminally insane. The week long trial concluded with
the jury finding greg guilty of first degree murder, attempt murder,
and tampering with evidence. She was sent us to two
life sentences without the possibility of parole. Shan Didi Combs
remains in the Brooklyn jail after being arrested on federal
charges a week ago. The hip hop star is charged
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with racketeering, sex trafficking, and transportation to engage in prostitution.
The indictment list allegations going back to two thousand and eight.
A judge has denied Comb's bill twice, saying the risk
of him threatening or harming witnesses was too high a risk.
Combs is now on suicide watch. He pleaded not guilty
to all charges. Hello everyone, thanks for joining us for
(01:34):
another episode of Crime Over Wine Weekly, the best place
to get caught up on current crime headlines while sipping
on your new favorite bottle of wine, and the whole
team is here. This week feels like it's been a minute. Hello,
my beautiful partner in crime, Michelle, how are you? Hello?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I'm good? How are you.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Doing pretty good? Doing pretty good? Kit believe it's officially fall.
I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
And even though in where we live it was mid
nineties this weekend, I didn't say it felt like faul
just on the calendar.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
It's fall. I know.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I like, even though it was so hot outside, I
still was like, I have committed to the fall wardrobe.
I'm wearing my jeans, I'm wearing boots. I didn't break
out the sweaters, but I was breaking out like long
sleeve surets. I'm like, I am falling. I don't care
if fall isn't, but I am.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
My kids are on the same page. My son is
in in slee's pajamas because he was so cold, and
my daughter is wearing cheetah leggings and blue boots.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Oh, I love it. I love it. She's gonna be
an fashion icon.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
She's gonna be some kind of icon. Remains to be seen.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So this week we are staying with the fall vibes
with pumpkin spice Shardnay from Trader Joe's. I saw this
on TikTok and I told Heather. I was like, this
is what we're doing, Like, this is what we're doing
for you because you you are the pumpkin spice girly.
(03:18):
I am more of like a apple kind of cider,
apple crisp type. But as soon as I did see
the pumpkin spice Shudney, we had.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
To do it for you. Thank you. I'm excited. It
looks and smells good. It's promising, yes.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yes, so just by the color, it's more of like
a deeper yellow almost with like some orange into it.
And you can definitely smell the pumpkin spice from it,
which is different for wine.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
You usually don't, are you?
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Okay? Yeah, I snuffed over my microphone. Sorry.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Oh well, as long as it wasn't the wine, no
wine safe. So for this wine, it is made with
a blend of lightly oaked California chardenay wine, delicately sweet
Chardonnay grape juice with a touch of natural pumpkin spice flavoring.
Each sip is bright, rich and delicious, just as a
(04:19):
California shard ought to be, with familiar fall festive notes
of nutmeg, clove, and cinnamon. And so also the best part,
bottle is less than seven dollars, so it doesn't get
more basic white girl than that, right, heall.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Nope, and we're here for it. We stand a pumpkin
flavored anything cheap, so.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Cheers to that. So let's try this. It's definitely sweet.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, it's giving more pumpkin cider than like, yeah, this
does not taste like a charenae at all.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I know it doesn't taste like wine.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
It tastes like a cider. I definitely feel like I
could accidentally forget this as a wine and just like
keep drinking it and then wonder why I feel so sick.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
This is definitely, definitely sweet. I won't be able to
drink much of it, But I feel like this is
a mixer.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Like it's almost like you need like some sort of
liquor to put into it, almost.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
To like to mix another white white with it. It's
like a m's gonna be a little stronger, just to
balance it out some like make it, yeah, like make
a sangree out of it or something.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, I do chaste the nutmeg and the clove.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
That is what pumpkin spice is, by the way. It's
just a mixture of those three, those three spices.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Interesting. I one of the things that I love to do,
especially like during Christmas time, is have like the pot
of like water with cranberries, cloves, a simmer pots. Yeah,
I love those, but I'm really bad about forgetting that
they're on there and then they burn to the bottom
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of your pots and then you don't have pots anymore.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Very off topic. I saw where someone used a wax
smelt warmer to do that, just a much smaller version
of it.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
So maybe you can trule that is interesting because I
do have one of those. I love my little sensey. Okay, interesting,
So clearly we are fall basic white girls in this
episode to chaw. So there's lots to tell you about
(06:41):
this week. A lot has happened in the crime world,
including where investigators are trying to figure out if threatening
text messages could be connected to an organ man's disappearance,
plus a deathbed confession helps bring home a mother and
daughter twenty four years after they went miss.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
An Oregon man has been missing for over a month
after receiving threatening text According to Missing People in America,
the last person to see Mark Stevenson was his ex
girlfriend Mpia. Says Mark received threatening Facebook messages from her
on August eighteenth. Family last spoke to Mark on August
twenty fifth and twenty ninth. However, it's unclear if Mark
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actually sent the last message. A missing person report was
filed with a Eugene police department on September fourteenth. Mark
Stevenson is thirty five years old, five foot eight and
about two hundred and forty pounds. He's a white man
with curly hair and has several tattoos, including Traveler on
his knuckles, four to twenty under his right wrist, and
two nineteen on his right arm. If you know anything
(07:48):
about Marx's whereabouts, contact Eugene Police at two four one
six eight two five to one one one.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
It's been two years since a Georgia man went missing.
Sixty three year old Albert Little was reported missing on
August first, twenty twenty two to the Mitchell County Sheriff's Office.
Investigator say Little's last known location was the Mitchell County
Justice System. He was released from jail on August first.
His family says he might have been suffering from a
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mental health problem. If you have any information about Albert Little,
call the Mitchell County Sheriff's Office at two two nine
three three six, twenty thirty And this week my story.
It's it's a sad one in a couple of different ways.
(08:37):
It takes place in West Virginia, where a man made
a deathbed confession, leading investigators to the bodies of a
missing mother and her ten year old daughter. Larry Webb
had long been a suspect in the disappearance of Susan
Carter and her daughter, Alex Carter. The pair were living
in Larry's Beckley, West, Virginia home when they disappeared in
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the year two thousand. Eighteen months ago, authorities searched Larry's
home and found a bullet embedded in the wall of
Alex's bedroom. DNA confirmed the bullet had blood that belonged
to Alex that along with witness statements. Webb was indicted
in October of twenty twenty three with Alex's death, but
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then Larry's death started to decline, which prosecutors say delayed
court proceedings. Larry was moved to a nursing home. While
in the nursing home, Larry spoke with one of the
investigators and made a quote detailed, undeniable, unconflicted confession. Larry
said he noticed money in his home was missing while
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Alex and Susan were living with him. Larry suspected Susan
Quote spent a lot of money, which led to an
argument between the pair. Larry said he shot Susan and
thought at the time Quote he knew he had ruined
his life forever. Larry said he had no choice but
to shoot out Alex to quote avoid detection. Larry said
(10:03):
he wrapped both of their bodies in bed linens and
put them in his basement while he dug a shallow
grave in the woods on his property. He buried the
mother and daughter together. Then, on April twenty second of
this year, Larry had a medical episode and died. That
same day, investigators found the remains of Susan and Alex.
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Rick Lafferty, Alex's dad, said the discovery marked a sad day,
but he was happy that he could bring his baby home.
So kind of going back into how this was reported
and how it was investigated. Originally, Alex was reported missing,
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and initially it was that the mother had abducted her,
and because at the time Susan and Alex's dad were
having a custody dispute, so that kind of always makes
it hard for investigators to investigate when you're dealing with custody. Then,
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but then fast forward to Larry. He was literally on
his deathbed and was looking to meet Jesus, That's what
the investigators say, and he wanted to come clean. He
wanted to to confess what he knew and what he
did and equipment. So after he explained kind of where
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he had buried them, then equipment operators from a local
landscaping company. They volunteered their time and their expertise, and
they worked for three days with precision, digging up the
entire backyard. They went down four and a half feet
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and from what I've read, because I've never had to
dig up a backyard before, but you have to do
it very particularly especially when you're dealing with a crime scene,
you know, because you don't want to disturb anything and
you don't want to miss anything either, So that was
why it took so long. But they but these equipment
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operators were so invested in helping this family get some answers.
And then they're calling it a twist of fate, a
poetic ending that not even the investigators could write. They
found the both of their bodies and they were still
wrapped in those linens. They were found together. Investigators are
(12:38):
still working this case. The remains are currently at the
State Medical Examiner's office in West Virginia. And also like
since there were so many concerns over how the initial
reports of Alex's disappearance went and how they were handled
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kind of the BI and all of the agencies that
were involved in this over all these years, they're kind
of like going back and seeing like how could this
have been handled better? You know, like why because remember
Larry was a suspect the whole time. They just couldn't
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get enough to you know, to indict him or arrest him.
And so, you know, but the fact that there was
that day eighteen months ago when they went and searched
his house and they found the bullet in the wall,
you know that that had been there this entire time.
You know, it's kind of like, well, had they done
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that same search all those years ago, that could have
been found, you know what I mean. But also you
can't just walk into someone's home and start searching it either,
especially especially if they don't let you. So kind of
sad case.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
That's to have hidden that for over two decades. And
then I'm sorry, like you want to meet Jesus, but
you murdered someone over money, okay?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Well, and and Alex's or Alex had nothing to do
with it, like you know what I mean, Like he
said that he had to His reasoning that he says
was he had to kill her to avoid detection, which
it's kind of like you were already a suspect.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah, that's so said that their lives ended like that
for such a silly reason. And the fact that the
fact that their bodies were found the day he died
like that, that really is poetic justice. And like he
probably died not knowing they were actually found.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Because he probably lived those twenty four years always wondering
if today is going to be the day that they
come and knock on my door, you know what I mean?
And so did he pass because he was finally able
to relax knowing that he confessed, you know what I mean,
(15:18):
Like he's not keeping this big mark secret anymore because
the stress on that is already, like that's going to
take a toll on.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
You mentally and physically. I'm wondering with the confession, if
that actually alleviated any guilt, And that's for any case
when you actually confess, Does that alleviate any of the
guilt or do just more people know that you did
a bad thing. So if you've ever murdered someone, let
us know and confess to it.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, I can see that. And because it doesn't take
away the fact that you took a life, or in
this case, took two lives and buried them. And while
all this time, while people have been looking her, Alex's
dad has been like looking all this time for his daughter.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
And you know that doesn't take that away because you mentioned,
you know, the dad's comment was at least he can
bring his baby home now. But their remains are still
with the State Medical Examiner's office. Are they just doing
like the standard autopsy before they release the bodies since
the man who confessed to it is dead. I think.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
I think so, And they might be trying to see
if they can confirm that, you know, that they were shot,
that both of them were shot, you know, trying to
see if the clues that they're able to find in
the remains match up with the story that he told.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
You know, yeah, I mean, because there is always a
case that maybe he made the confession because he knew
he was dying, but somebody else actually did it and
he wanted to protect them. As always a possibility. I
hope that the medical examiner like confirms everything so that
there really is some peace for Lisa, dad and any
other family members and you know, my mom and daughter,
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and I guess suspect rest in peace. Still to come
on Crime Overwine Weekly, A father of four is missing
after leaving home to get baby formula. Plus a young
pregnant woman's death was originally ruled a suicide. Why a
former Massachusetts detective is now charged in her death.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Welcome back to Crime Overwine Weekly. It's been five years
since a Kansas woman was reported missing. Angela Green was
a fifty one year old mother of one when she
was reported missing in twenty nineteen. Family and investigators say Angela,
who came to the US from China, kept to herself.
She never worked, never had a credit card. She only
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had been to the denist twice and the doctor once.
When her daughter was born. She rarely left home, only
to take her daughter to school. When her daughter, Ellie,
turned nineteen, Ellie went on a study abroad trip without
telling her mother. When she returned, she says they got
into an argument over the trip and her mother kicked
her out. Three days later, Ellie's father told her Angela
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checked into a mental health facility against her will. Ellie
asked to visit her mom, but her dad wouldn't tell
her where she was. News of Angela's commitment was kept
a secret. From the rest of the family. In mid
July twenty nineteen, Ellie's father told her Angela had died.
Investigators say he told Ellie her mom had died of
(18:47):
a stroke in the facility and that she had to
keep it a secret from the rest of the family.
Ellie kept the secret for seven months, but then in
February of twenty twenty, Ellie broke the news to other
family members. Family members were suspicious and called police. When
police got involved, the dad's story changed. The dad denied
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that Angela was dead. When police came back the next day,
the dad said Angela left on her own and that
sometimes she does this and doesn't come back for several days.
Then the dad stopped talking to police. Investigators say there
is a lack of a paper trail in this case.
Angela's phone, keys, and ID were left at home. There's
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no record of her being forcibly committed to a mental
health facility, and no death certificate. There's no evidence that
she left the country. Investigators have used cadaver dogs around
the home and they did not yield any results. Anyone
with information about Angela Green should call the Prairie Village
Police Department at nine one three six four to two
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six eight six eight.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Authorities are looking for a father of four who disappeared
after going out to get baby formula. Antoine Warsham left
his Cleveland, Ohio home the night of September twelfth to
pick up formula for his four month old child. He
was spotted in the West Park area around seven thirty
that night. Antoine was in a twenty ten blue Ford
Fusion with military stickers on it and had three car
seats inside. He was wearing blue jeans, a polo shirt
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with a Teddy Bear design, a Neon pink T shirt underneath,
and a hat. Antoinees described as a black man with
brown eyes. He's thirty four years old, five foot ten
and about one hundred and seventy pounds. If you know
anything about Antoine's whereabouts, contact Cleveland Police at two one
six six two one one two three four. The case
I'm sharing this week takes us to Massachusetts, and I
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will put a trigger warning with this one because we
will be talking about sexual violence. Sandra Birchmore learned she
was pregnant in late twenty twenty. The twenty three year
old's family says she was excited about her baby and
immediately started preparing for parenthood. Sandra's cousin says she planned
to announce her pregnancy on Valentine's Day, but on February fourth,
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twenty twenty one, the Fan family received heartbreaking news. Police
performed a welfare check at Sandra's Canton apartment after she
didn't show it for work. The young woman was found
dead with a legged strap around her neck tied to
a doorknob. Sandra's autopsy ruled her death as suicide, but
her loved ones never agreed with that. They paid to
have their own autopsy performed, which found Sandra's death was
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a homicide. On August twenty eighth, twenty twenty four, a
former Massachusetts police detective was charged in Sandra's death. Federal
prosecutor say Matthew Farwell strangled Sandra to death and in
staged he our apartment to make it look like a suicide.
Investigator says Sandra had recently told Farwell she was pregnant
with his child. The indictment reveals a number of disturbing details,
like Farwell groomed and sexually abused Sandra for years. She
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was fifteen and he was twenty seven when they met
in the Stouton Police Explorer's Academy. Investigators say the officer
contacted her online and they eventually began having sex, including
times Farwell was on duty. According to court document, Sandra
told Farwell she wanted to have a baby in October
of twenty twenty, and he agreed to try to get
her pregnant as long as she stayed quiet about their relationship.
Authorities say fara While became erratic and dangerous after learning
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about the pregnancy. Prosecutors say he killed Sandra just hours
before his wife delivered their third child. At this time,
a blizzard was approaching the region, which Farrewell thought would
cover for Sandra's absence at work for several days. Farrewell's
arrest comes two years after an extensive internal affairs investigation
found he and two other officers had inappropriate relationships with Sandra.
The IA investigation uncovered hundreds of messages between them. This
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spanned years. The Stouton Police chief says all three men
resigned before they could be interviewed during the investigation. The
department recommended their certifications be permanently revoked so they cannot
serve any law enforcement agency in the country. After Farwell's arrest,
the Stouton Police chief said, quote, Sandra Burchmore received no
justice during her life. It is imperative that justice be
served in her death. Farrewell has pleaded not guilty and
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is being held without bail.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Wow, my jaw is like on the floor right now.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Is what a disgusting abuse of power?
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah? I mean from fifteen, since she was fifteen, all
the way to when she was twenty three. Mm hmm,
and multiple officers like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
So the other two officers didn't necessarily have sexual relations
with her, but they were aware of their relationship and acquaintances,
one of them being Farwell's twin brother. Wow.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
And it sounds like she was just so excited.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
She was her birth announcement that she was going to
do on social media. Her and her friends had made
like expecting my own little Valentine signed made a picture
to post on the fourteenth. So she was really excited
to be a mom. Wow.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
It may be too early right now, but I'm assuming
that her family will probably bring forth lawsuits of their own.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yes, they filed a lawsuit before he was indicted, just
because it was originally ruled as a suicide. Federal investigators
say that they won't say why they started looking into
the case, but they became interested about a year ago.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
It makes you wonder if there have been other victims
or something that made them go, huh, let's look at
that again.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Well, and I know for families, for victims families, a
lot of times families will say, no, this just isn't right.
There's more to this, And hiring your own private investigator
is hard because it's expensive. But the fact that they did.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
In this situation, I mean, I would say that paid
off definitely. I mean, we still don't know what the
outcome of this case will be, but justice is starting
to work in their favor so far, with him at
least being indicted and in custody. He was pressured enough
that he quit, so he's no longer a police officer
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or able to manipulate any other young women like this. Wow.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
You'll definitely have to keep us updated on how that
case goes through the court system, kind of what happens
once that gets going.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, and it's a federal case, so I feel like
it might move. They seem to move a little faster,
They get scheduled quicker.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
So I know you talked about it in your headlines
the Carly greg trial. I kind of followed it this
past week and watched some of the surveillance videos that
were played during court and things like that. I originally,
because we were texting about it, I thought that a
(25:30):
verdict would come this week. But it came down late Friday,
which I was very surprised about. I mean, the jury,
the jury delivered for two hours, so they were all
pretty on board with it. And I wonder if it's
because of those videos that showed her demeanor at the
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time of the crime.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Okay, first, I didn't watch the videos, so I don't
have the idea of what the demeanor looked like. But
if her defense is trying to argue mint insanity, but
if you're looking at that video and you can see
that it's calculated and she has an idea of what
she's doing, and then her demeanor in court and how
it comes across. Because to reach that verdict it had
to be unanimous. So two hours of deliberating to decide
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that basically a child, a teenager will spend the rest
of her life in jail like that wasn't a light burden.
So they must have felt very certain.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, you know that prosecutors were able to prove that
case well and so that those jurors could apply the
law the way that it was supposed to. So that
was interesting. And of course her attorneys will more than
likely appeal. I mean, you get a chance at an appeal, like,
of course you're going to use it. But I think
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it's always very interesting in how long it takes a
jury to reach a verdict. And if it's a long time,
that means that they're not all unanims about something, but
if it's quick, that means that they all agree. So
it's just I it's always just very interesting. It's always
something that I watch is how long it.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Took the jurors to deliberate.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
And I mean for just a week. I mean it
was a quick trial.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
I thought, yeah, like for a murder trial, just five days.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
So I watched this thing on I believe it was Netflix.
It's called Into the Fire, and it is so interesting.
It's about this mom that gave her daughter up for
adoption when she was really young, and the mom ends
up finding out that her she tries to like reconnect
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with her daughter, and while trying to find her daughter,
she ends up finding out that her daughter went missing,
and so she then like starts her own investigation to
try and figure out where her where's her daughter? And
it is like just pure like mother's intuition, which there's
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nothing else like it. I will honestly say that there's
nothing that will compare to a mother's strength and nothing
that will compare to a mother's intuition. And you really
see that in this. It's only two episodes, so it's
a it's a quick watch man, and I'm not gonna
I'm not gonna reveal the ending, but at the end,
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you're like, damn, damn, So you need to watch it.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Okay, I will add that to my list.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Like you feel connected to the mom because you can
tell like she had carried a lot of guilt giving
her daughter up for adoption anyway, even though she was
like I was so young, like I couldn't do it,
she didn't have the support, like you know what I mean.
But she's still always carried that guilt and so it's
it's almost like she turned some of that guilt into
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her motivation to like find her.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
So it's it's worth it. It's definitely worth the watch, Okay.
I would definitely check that out. I need something good
to watch. I don't have anything on my list right now.
Well I do, but nothing I can watch without my family.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, and this with it being two episodes, like you
know that, you can get to the end in a
good amount of time, Like you know what I mean,
You're not having to dedicate long amounts of time to
watching to get to find out what happens.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
They made that for moms. They're like two episodes. We
get you.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
So good episode this week, good wine this week. It's
a little sweet for me, but it's still good.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah, it's still good. I just think it needs to
be mixed with something like I agree at it as
like a little shot to like a regular glass of
white wine, or a little flavor.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Like almost like a bourbon in it or something I
don't know, or whiskey.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Yeah, I like that. Ye may add a little bit
to my coffee tomorrow morning. I don't know. We'll see,
We'll see where life takes.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Us keeping it interesting. Well, thank you everyone for listening.
If you can't get enough of Crime Overwine, follow us
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Speaker 1 (30:13):
And we'll see you next week for the next episode
of Crime Overwine Weekly, proud member of the Podnuga network,
Welcome to Crime Overwine Weekly. It's Monday, September twenty third.
I'm Heather Holly, and these are your crime headlines. The
man hunt for the Kentucky interstate shooting suspect ended after
a couple discovered his body in the woods. Investigator say
on September seventh, Joseph Couch perched on the cliff's edge
and opened fire on drivers on I seventy five in
Laurel County. Five people were shot and survived. Eleven days later,
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a couple found a body in the woods near the scene.
Authorities have confirmed the body as Joseph Couch's. The medical
examiner says he died by a self inflicted gunshot wound.
A Mississippi team will spend the rest of her life
in prison. A jury convicted fifteen year old Carly Gregg
and her mother's murder and the shooting of her stepfather.
The defense argued greg was not guilty by reason of insanity,
(00:50):
but the state claims she didn't meet the requirements to
be deemed criminally insane. The week long trial concluded with
the jury finding greg guilty of first degree murder, attempt murder,
and tampering with evidence. She was sent us to two
life sentences without the possibility of parole. Shan Didi Combs
remains in the Brooklyn jail after being arrested on federal
charges a week ago. The hip hop star is charged
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with racketeering, sex trafficking, and transportation to engage in prostitution.
The indictment list allegations going back to two thousand and eight.
A judge has denied Comb's bill twice, saying the risk
of him threatening or harming witnesses was too high a risk.
Combs is now on suicide watch. He pleaded not guilty
to all charges. Hello everyone, thanks for joining us for
(01:34):
another episode of Crime Over Wine Weekly, the best place
to get caught up on current crime headlines while sipping
on your new favorite bottle of wine, and the whole
team is here. This week feels like it's been a minute. Hello,
my beautiful partner in crime, Michelle, how are you? Hello?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I'm good? How are you.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Doing pretty good? Doing pretty good? Kit believe it's officially fall.
I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
And even though in where we live it was mid
nineties this weekend, I didn't say it felt like faul
just on the calendar.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
It's fall. I know.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I like, even though it was so hot outside, I
still was like, I have committed to the fall wardrobe.
I'm wearing my jeans, I'm wearing boots. I didn't break
out the sweaters, but I was breaking out like long
sleeve surets. I'm like, I am falling. I don't care
if fall isn't, but I am.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
My kids are on the same page. My son is
in in slee's pajamas because he was so cold, and
my daughter is wearing cheetah leggings and blue boots.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Oh, I love it. I love it. She's gonna be
an fashion icon.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
She's gonna be some kind of icon. Remains to be seen.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So this week we are staying with the fall vibes
with pumpkin spice Shardnay from Trader Joe's. I saw this
on TikTok and I told Heather. I was like, this
is what we're doing, Like, this is what we're doing
for you because you you are the pumpkin spice girly.
(03:18):
I am more of like a apple kind of cider,
apple crisp type. But as soon as I did see
the pumpkin spice Shudney, we had.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
To do it for you. Thank you. I'm excited. It
looks and smells good. It's promising, yes.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yes, so just by the color, it's more of like
a deeper yellow almost with like some orange into it.
And you can definitely smell the pumpkin spice from it,
which is different for wine.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
You usually don't, are you?
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Okay? Yeah, I snuffed over my microphone. Sorry.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Oh well, as long as it wasn't the wine, no
wine safe. So for this wine, it is made with
a blend of lightly oaked California chardenay wine, delicately sweet
Chardonnay grape juice with a touch of natural pumpkin spice flavoring.
Each sip is bright, rich and delicious, just as a
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California shard ought to be, with familiar fall festive notes
of nutmeg, clove, and cinnamon. And so also the best part,
bottle is less than seven dollars, so it doesn't get
more basic white girl than that, right, heall.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Nope, and we're here for it. We stand a pumpkin
flavored anything cheap, so.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Cheers to that. So let's try this. It's definitely sweet.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, it's giving more pumpkin cider than like, yeah, this
does not taste like a charenae at all.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I know it doesn't taste like wine.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
It tastes like a cider. I definitely feel like I
could accidentally forget this as a wine and just like
keep drinking it and then wonder why I feel so sick.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
This is definitely, definitely sweet. I won't be able to
drink much of it, But I feel like this is
a mixer.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Like it's almost like you need like some sort of
liquor to put into it, almost.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
To like to mix another white white with it. It's
like a m's gonna be a little stronger, just to
balance it out some like make it, yeah, like make
a sangree out of it or something.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, I do chaste the nutmeg and the clove.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
That is what pumpkin spice is, by the way. It's
just a mixture of those three, those three spices.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Interesting. I one of the things that I love to do,
especially like during Christmas time, is have like the pot
of like water with cranberries, cloves, a simmer pots. Yeah,
I love those, but I'm really bad about forgetting that
they're on there and then they burn to the bottom
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of your pots and then you don't have pots anymore.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Very off topic. I saw where someone used a wax
smelt warmer to do that, just a much smaller version
of it.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
So maybe you can trule that is interesting because I
do have one of those. I love my little sensey. Okay, interesting,
So clearly we are fall basic white girls in this
episode to chaw. So there's lots to tell you about
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this week. A lot has happened in the crime world,
including where investigators are trying to figure out if threatening
text messages could be connected to an organ man's disappearance,
plus a deathbed confession helps bring home a mother and
daughter twenty four years after they went miss.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
An Oregon man has been missing for over a month
after receiving threatening text According to Missing People in America,
the last person to see Mark Stevenson was his ex
girlfriend Mpia. Says Mark received threatening Facebook messages from her
on August eighteenth. Family last spoke to Mark on August
twenty fifth and twenty ninth. However, it's unclear if Mark
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actually sent the last message. A missing person report was
filed with a Eugene police department on September fourteenth. Mark
Stevenson is thirty five years old, five foot eight and
about two hundred and forty pounds. He's a white man
with curly hair and has several tattoos, including Traveler on
his knuckles, four to twenty under his right wrist, and
two nineteen on his right arm. If you know anything
(07:48):
about Marx's whereabouts, contact Eugene Police at two four one
six eight two five to one one one.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
It's been two years since a Georgia man went missing.
Sixty three year old Albert Little was reported missing on
August first, twenty twenty two to the Mitchell County Sheriff's Office.
Investigator say Little's last known location was the Mitchell County
Justice System. He was released from jail on August first.
His family says he might have been suffering from a
(08:17):
mental health problem. If you have any information about Albert Little,
call the Mitchell County Sheriff's Office at two two nine
three three six, twenty thirty And this week my story.
It's it's a sad one in a couple of different ways.
(08:37):
It takes place in West Virginia, where a man made
a deathbed confession, leading investigators to the bodies of a
missing mother and her ten year old daughter. Larry Webb
had long been a suspect in the disappearance of Susan
Carter and her daughter, Alex Carter. The pair were living
in Larry's Beckley, West, Virginia home when they disappeared in
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the year two thousand. Eighteen months ago, authorities searched Larry's
home and found a bullet embedded in the wall of
Alex's bedroom. DNA confirmed the bullet had blood that belonged
to Alex that along with witness statements. Webb was indicted
in October of twenty twenty three with Alex's death, but
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then Larry's death started to decline, which prosecutors say delayed
court proceedings. Larry was moved to a nursing home. While
in the nursing home, Larry spoke with one of the
investigators and made a quote detailed, undeniable, unconflicted confession. Larry
said he noticed money in his home was missing while
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Alex and Susan were living with him. Larry suspected Susan
Quote spent a lot of money, which led to an
argument between the pair. Larry said he shot Susan and
thought at the time Quote he knew he had ruined
his life forever. Larry said he had no choice but
to shoot out Alex to quote avoid detection. Larry said
(10:03):
he wrapped both of their bodies in bed linens and
put them in his basement while he dug a shallow
grave in the woods on his property. He buried the
mother and daughter together. Then, on April twenty second of
this year, Larry had a medical episode and died. That
same day, investigators found the remains of Susan and Alex.
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Rick Lafferty, Alex's dad, said the discovery marked a sad day,
but he was happy that he could bring his baby home.
So kind of going back into how this was reported
and how it was investigated. Originally, Alex was reported missing,
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and initially it was that the mother had abducted her,
and because at the time Susan and Alex's dad were
having a custody dispute, so that kind of always makes
it hard for investigators to investigate when you're dealing with custody. Then,
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but then fast forward to Larry. He was literally on
his deathbed and was looking to meet Jesus, That's what
the investigators say, and he wanted to come clean. He
wanted to to confess what he knew and what he
did and equipment. So after he explained kind of where
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he had buried them, then equipment operators from a local
landscaping company. They volunteered their time and their expertise, and
they worked for three days with precision, digging up the
entire backyard. They went down four and a half feet
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and from what I've read, because I've never had to
dig up a backyard before, but you have to do
it very particularly especially when you're dealing with a crime scene,
you know, because you don't want to disturb anything and
you don't want to miss anything either, So that was
why it took so long. But they but these equipment
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operators were so invested in helping this family get some answers.
And then they're calling it a twist of fate, a
poetic ending that not even the investigators could write. They
found the both of their bodies and they were still
wrapped in those linens. They were found together. Investigators are
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still working this case. The remains are currently at the
State Medical Examiner's office in West Virginia. And also like
since there were so many concerns over how the initial
reports of Alex's disappearance went and how they were handled
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kind of the BI and all of the agencies that
were involved in this over all these years, they're kind
of like going back and seeing like how could this
have been handled better? You know, like why because remember
Larry was a suspect the whole time. They just couldn't
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get enough to you know, to indict him or arrest him.
And so, you know, but the fact that there was
that day eighteen months ago when they went and searched
his house and they found the bullet in the wall,
you know that that had been there this entire time.
You know, it's kind of like, well, had they done
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that same search all those years ago, that could have
been found, you know what I mean. But also you
can't just walk into someone's home and start searching it either,
especially especially if they don't let you. So kind of
sad case.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
That's to have hidden that for over two decades. And
then I'm sorry, like you want to meet Jesus, but
you murdered someone over money, okay?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Well, and and Alex's or Alex had nothing to do
with it, like you know what I mean, Like he
said that he had to His reasoning that he says
was he had to kill her to avoid detection, which
it's kind of like you were already a suspect.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah, that's so said that their lives ended like that
for such a silly reason. And the fact that the
fact that their bodies were found the day he died
like that, that really is poetic justice. And like he
probably died not knowing they were actually found.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Because he probably lived those twenty four years always wondering
if today is going to be the day that they
come and knock on my door, you know what I mean?
And so did he pass because he was finally able
to relax knowing that he confessed, you know what I mean,
(15:18):
Like he's not keeping this big mark secret anymore because
the stress on that is already, like that's going to
take a toll on.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
You mentally and physically. I'm wondering with the confession, if
that actually alleviated any guilt, And that's for any case
when you actually confess, Does that alleviate any of the
guilt or do just more people know that you did
a bad thing. So if you've ever murdered someone, let
us know and confess to it.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, I can see that. And because it doesn't take
away the fact that you took a life, or in
this case, took two lives and buried them. And while
all this time, while people have been looking her, Alex's
dad has been like looking all this time for his daughter.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
And you know that doesn't take that away because you mentioned,
you know, the dad's comment was at least he can
bring his baby home now. But their remains are still
with the State Medical Examiner's office. Are they just doing
like the standard autopsy before they release the bodies since
the man who confessed to it is dead. I think.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
I think so, And they might be trying to see
if they can confirm that, you know, that they were shot,
that both of them were shot, you know, trying to
see if the clues that they're able to find in
the remains match up with the story that he told.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
You know, yeah, I mean, because there is always a
case that maybe he made the confession because he knew
he was dying, but somebody else actually did it and
he wanted to protect them. As always a possibility. I
hope that the medical examiner like confirms everything so that
there really is some peace for Lisa, dad and any
other family members and you know, my mom and daughter,
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and I guess suspect rest in peace. Still to come
on Crime Overwine Weekly, A father of four is missing
after leaving home to get baby formula. Plus a young
pregnant woman's death was originally ruled a suicide. Why a
former Massachusetts detective is now charged in her death.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Welcome back to Crime Overwine Weekly. It's been five years
since a Kansas woman was reported missing. Angela Green was
a fifty one year old mother of one when she
was reported missing in twenty nineteen. Family and investigators say Angela,
who came to the US from China, kept to herself.
She never worked, never had a credit card. She only
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had been to the denist twice and the doctor once.
When her daughter was born. She rarely left home, only
to take her daughter to school. When her daughter, Ellie,
turned nineteen, Ellie went on a study abroad trip without
telling her mother. When she returned, she says they got
into an argument over the trip and her mother kicked
her out. Three days later, Ellie's father told her Angela
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checked into a mental health facility against her will. Ellie
asked to visit her mom, but her dad wouldn't tell
her where she was. News of Angela's commitment was kept
a secret. From the rest of the family. In mid
July twenty nineteen, Ellie's father told her Angela had died.
Investigators say he told Ellie her mom had died of
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a stroke in the facility and that she had to
keep it a secret from the rest of the family.
Ellie kept the secret for seven months, but then in
February of twenty twenty, Ellie broke the news to other
family members. Family members were suspicious and called police. When
police got involved, the dad's story changed. The dad denied
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that Angela was dead. When police came back the next day,
the dad said Angela left on her own and that
sometimes she does this and doesn't come back for several days.
Then the dad stopped talking to police. Investigators say there
is a lack of a paper trail in this case.
Angela's phone, keys, and ID were left at home. There's
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no record of her being forcibly committed to a mental
health facility, and no death certificate. There's no evidence that
she left the country. Investigators have used cadaver dogs around
the home and they did not yield any results. Anyone
with information about Angela Green should call the Prairie Village
Police Department at nine one three six four to two
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six eight six eight.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Authorities are looking for a father of four who disappeared
after going out to get baby formula. Antoine Warsham left
his Cleveland, Ohio home the night of September twelfth to
pick up formula for his four month old child. He
was spotted in the West Park area around seven thirty
that night. Antoine was in a twenty ten blue Ford
Fusion with military stickers on it and had three car
seats inside. He was wearing blue jeans, a polo shirt
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with a Teddy Bear design, a Neon pink T shirt underneath,
and a hat. Antoinees described as a black man with
brown eyes. He's thirty four years old, five foot ten
and about one hundred and seventy pounds. If you know
anything about Antoine's whereabouts, contact Cleveland Police at two one
six six two one one two three four. The case
I'm sharing this week takes us to Massachusetts, and I
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will put a trigger warning with this one because we
will be talking about sexual violence. Sandra Birchmore learned she
was pregnant in late twenty twenty. The twenty three year
old's family says she was excited about her baby and
immediately started preparing for parenthood. Sandra's cousin says she planned
to announce her pregnancy on Valentine's Day, but on February fourth,
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twenty twenty one, the Fan family received heartbreaking news. Police
performed a welfare check at Sandra's Canton apartment after she
didn't show it for work. The young woman was found
dead with a legged strap around her neck tied to
a doorknob. Sandra's autopsy ruled her death as suicide, but
her loved ones never agreed with that. They paid to
have their own autopsy performed, which found Sandra's death was
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a homicide. On August twenty eighth, twenty twenty four, a
former Massachusetts police detective was charged in Sandra's death. Federal
prosecutor say Matthew Farwell strangled Sandra to death and in
staged he our apartment to make it look like a suicide.
Investigator says Sandra had recently told Farwell she was pregnant
with his child. The indictment reveals a number of disturbing details,
like Farwell groomed and sexually abused Sandra for years. She
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was fifteen and he was twenty seven when they met
in the Stouton Police Explorer's Academy. Investigators say the officer
contacted her online and they eventually began having sex, including
times Farwell was on duty. According to court document, Sandra
told Farwell she wanted to have a baby in October
of twenty twenty, and he agreed to try to get
her pregnant as long as she stayed quiet about their relationship.
Authorities say fara While became erratic and dangerous after learning
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about the pregnancy. Prosecutors say he killed Sandra just hours
before his wife delivered their third child. At this time,
a blizzard was approaching the region, which Farrewell thought would
cover for Sandra's absence at work for several days. Farrewell's
arrest comes two years after an extensive internal affairs investigation
found he and two other officers had inappropriate relationships with Sandra.
The IA investigation uncovered hundreds of messages between them. This
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spanned years. The Stouton Police chief says all three men
resigned before they could be interviewed during the investigation. The
department recommended their certifications be permanently revoked so they cannot
serve any law enforcement agency in the country. After Farwell's arrest,
the Stouton Police chief said, quote, Sandra Burchmore received no
justice during her life. It is imperative that justice be
served in her death. Farrewell has pleaded not guilty and
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is being held without bail.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Wow, my jaw is like on the floor right now.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Is what a disgusting abuse of power?
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah? I mean from fifteen, since she was fifteen, all
the way to when she was twenty three. Mm hmm,
and multiple officers like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
So the other two officers didn't necessarily have sexual relations
with her, but they were aware of their relationship and acquaintances,
one of them being Farwell's twin brother. Wow.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
And it sounds like she was just so excited.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
She was her birth announcement that she was going to
do on social media. Her and her friends had made
like expecting my own little Valentine signed made a picture
to post on the fourteenth. So she was really excited
to be a mom. Wow.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
It may be too early right now, but I'm assuming
that her family will probably bring forth lawsuits of their own.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yes, they filed a lawsuit before he was indicted, just
because it was originally ruled as a suicide. Federal investigators
say that they won't say why they started looking into
the case, but they became interested about a year ago.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
It makes you wonder if there have been other victims
or something that made them go, huh, let's look at
that again.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Well, and I know for families, for victims families, a
lot of times families will say, no, this just isn't right.
There's more to this, And hiring your own private investigator
is hard because it's expensive. But the fact that they did.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
In this situation, I mean, I would say that paid
off definitely. I mean, we still don't know what the
outcome of this case will be, but justice is starting
to work in their favor so far, with him at
least being indicted and in custody. He was pressured enough
that he quit, so he's no longer a police officer
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or able to manipulate any other young women like this. Wow.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
You'll definitely have to keep us updated on how that
case goes through the court system, kind of what happens
once that gets going.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, and it's a federal case, so I feel like
it might move. They seem to move a little faster,
They get scheduled quicker.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
So I know you talked about it in your headlines
the Carly greg trial. I kind of followed it this
past week and watched some of the surveillance videos that
were played during court and things like that. I originally,
because we were texting about it, I thought that a
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verdict would come this week. But it came down late Friday,
which I was very surprised about. I mean, the jury,
the jury delivered for two hours, so they were all
pretty on board with it. And I wonder if it's
because of those videos that showed her demeanor at the
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time of the crime.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Okay, first, I didn't watch the videos, so I don't
have the idea of what the demeanor looked like. But
if her defense is trying to argue mint insanity, but
if you're looking at that video and you can see
that it's calculated and she has an idea of what
she's doing, and then her demeanor in court and how
it comes across. Because to reach that verdict it had
to be unanimous. So two hours of deliberating to decide
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that basically a child, a teenager will spend the rest
of her life in jail like that wasn't a light burden.
So they must have felt very certain.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, you know that prosecutors were able to prove that
case well and so that those jurors could apply the
law the way that it was supposed to. So that
was interesting. And of course her attorneys will more than
likely appeal. I mean, you get a chance at an appeal, like,
of course you're going to use it. But I think
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it's always very interesting in how long it takes a
jury to reach a verdict. And if it's a long time,
that means that they're not all unanims about something, but
if it's quick, that means that they all agree. So
it's just I it's always just very interesting. It's always
something that I watch is how long it.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Took the jurors to deliberate.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
And I mean for just a week. I mean it
was a quick trial.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
I thought, yeah, like for a murder trial, just five days.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
So I watched this thing on I believe it was Netflix.
It's called Into the Fire, and it is so interesting.
It's about this mom that gave her daughter up for
adoption when she was really young, and the mom ends
up finding out that her she tries to like reconnect
(27:44):
with her daughter, and while trying to find her daughter,
she ends up finding out that her daughter went missing,
and so she then like starts her own investigation to
try and figure out where her where's her daughter? And
it is like just pure like mother's intuition, which there's
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nothing else like it. I will honestly say that there's
nothing that will compare to a mother's strength and nothing
that will compare to a mother's intuition. And you really
see that in this. It's only two episodes, so it's
a it's a quick watch man, and I'm not gonna
I'm not gonna reveal the ending, but at the end,
(28:26):
you're like, damn, damn, So you need to watch it.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Okay, I will add that to my list.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Like you feel connected to the mom because you can
tell like she had carried a lot of guilt giving
her daughter up for adoption anyway, even though she was
like I was so young, like I couldn't do it,
she didn't have the support, like you know what I mean.
But she's still always carried that guilt and so it's
it's almost like she turned some of that guilt into
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her motivation to like find her.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
So it's it's worth it. It's definitely worth the watch, Okay.
I would definitely check that out. I need something good
to watch. I don't have anything on my list right now.
Well I do, but nothing I can watch without my family.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, and this with it being two episodes, like you
know that, you can get to the end in a
good amount of time, Like you know what I mean,
You're not having to dedicate long amounts of time to
watching to get to find out what happens.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
They made that for moms. They're like two episodes. We
get you.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
So good episode this week, good wine this week. It's
a little sweet for me, but it's still good.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah, it's still good. I just think it needs to
be mixed with something like I agree at it as
like a little shot to like a regular glass of
white wine, or a little flavor.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Like almost like a bourbon in it or something I
don't know, or whiskey.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Yeah, I like that. Ye may add a little bit
to my coffee tomorrow morning. I don't know. We'll see,
We'll see where life takes.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Us keeping it interesting. Well, thank you everyone for listening.
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Speaker 1 (30:13):
And we'll see you next week for the next episode
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