Tina Snipes - The Housekeeper on Edisto Island - Crime Over Wine

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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less than a half mile from her home disappear without
a trace? This week, a detective's journey to find justice
and assister's journey to find answers. Episode sixty five of
crimeover Wine starts right now. Hello everybody, and welcome to
this week's episode of Crime over Wine, the only podcast
with head scratching true crime stories that are just better

(01:07):
over a bottle of wine. I'm your host, Liam Collins,
and this week my guest co host is the owner
of Speakeasy Productions in beautiful Chattanooga, Tennessee. My guest co
host this week is Madison McCann, Hello Madison, So good.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
To see you.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Hi, Liam, Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Of course.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
So I'm so glad to have a podcast pro on
this because I was like, I, you can show them,
probably show me a thing or two, and I know
I can show you a thing or two about wine,
So I thought this is a very mutual, beneficial relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
We're very excited.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
I don't know about pro because usually I'm on the
other side, So I hope I can do your podcast justice.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Well, we're gonna we're going to do our best. We're
going to do our best.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
I'm very excited so about the case, but also very
specifically excited about the wine that we're going to be
drinking this week. So let's dive right into that. This
week we are drinking Jay's Pino Grease. It has versatility,
crisp character, and bright fruit notes. It has layers of
kaffir lime, green pear, and pineapple, complimenting hints of jasmine

(02:02):
and distinctive minerality and mouth watering acidity. So whoa yeah, ye,
I know right, there's a lot of like I don't
know what a kaffir lime is, green pearish or pineapple,
but there's just a lot of different, like varieties of
flavors that frankly, I have never even really heard of
in a wine, and so this is really interesting. I
have also, so I have only ever Drinken Jay's champagne

(02:27):
as well, and everyone who listened to this also knows
how much I love some bubbly and so I'm really
excited to see what they do in a still wine.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Okay, so you've never had those before.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
I've never had this one before. I try to go
for ones that on this podcast that I've never had before,
so we can really kind of experience it with everybody else.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
So we're about to find out together.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yeah, you ready to try it?

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Let's do it. So what do you typically go for?
Are you red drinker? White drinker?

Speaker 2 (02:51):
I know you say you don't know a lot about wines.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
But yeah, okay, we're really going to expose myself here. No,
I don't know a single thing about wine. I don't
usually drink wine, but I do usually opt towards more
sweet wines and it doesn't really matter to me. Rud
or white.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Okay, excellent, Well we'll love that. Love an open minded
girl for sure, And so this is so it's much
lighter in in in look as well. So I have
a feeling that you may this may be a little
bit too dry for you, okay, And so we're we're
going to find out. But there's probably a lot but
there's a lot of fruit flavors, so I'm thinking that
you that that may balance out. So we're going to

(03:30):
find out.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
So chas to the medicine.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
So good to have you on and it's so good. Also,
this is the first episode I should say I've ever
recorded in person because Madison kindly let me use her
studio and help me get out of the closet for
the second time of my life. And so I'm very
very excited to be here in Verst with you because
we just cheers. That was the very first in person
cram over wine.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yes, I'm so glad that I got to be the
first in person guest on your podcast.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Excellent.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
And I can't believe it took sixty five episodes, I.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Know, sixty five episodes to get out of the closet.
You know, it's like it's just it's life. Life comes
and hits your you know what I mean. Yeah, Well,
this is it's dryer for sure, it's a fruit fruitier
but still on the drier side.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
It's not too dry for me though, Like I can
get a little bit of sweetness out of it too.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, And it's it's mineral forward for sure. It's very
It's a smoother kind of wine. And that's typically like
like because whenever I drink like too much, specifically with
peano grease as well, whenever I drink, you know, a
much too sweet kind of kind of white wine, it
just gets it all in the mouth and it just

(04:33):
it just explodes. This is like very much. So it's
just it's smooth, it comes, it comes right off the
tongue and it doesn't really linger all that much either
as well.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
I wouldn't be able to identify it without you telling
me beforehand, but I think I'm getting a little bit
of that pear.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, the pear pears is usually a very strong flavor
and wine for sure, and that's it's it's identifying. It
could also be the lime a little bit too. But
it's funny because I actually the very first flavor I tasted.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Was that apple.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Was a was the pineapple that was the first thing
I noticed. But I also love pineapples so much and
so maybe that's just.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Like, yeah, me too, I'm not really getting that.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah. Interesting.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
See, It's just I feel like if you just like
really like like take a sip and like really tune
in on like on the flavor of pineapple and I
think it's some I think you'll I think you probably will.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Get it a little bit. But it's really the pair.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
That's sticking out to me, the pair in the front,
I getting it.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
I getting the pineapple more in the back as well,
which is interesting, like it's much more of an after
after taste. But you know, the case that I have
to tell you about this week Medicine, I can. I
have not stopped stop thinking about this since I first
heard about this five years ago. So that just goes
to show you, you know, how obsessive with this case
I am.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
I'm going to tell you actually the first, the first ever.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
This is a very special episode of Medicine because this
is the first ever true crime case that I've ever
interacted with personally as as a reporter, as a as
a professional true crime lover. So I actually worked with
reporters on this story very very briefly. I won't lie
to you, guys.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
I was it was.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
It was an intern in Charleston when I first heard
about this several years ago, but ever since then I
have not been able to stop thinking about it. And
so this week I'm going to tell you the story
of a woman who, by all accounts, was giving life
everything that she had to offer, but one day, just
like any other she had ever lived, may have ended
up being her last. This week, I want to tell

(06:22):
you about Tina Snipes, the housekeeper on Edisto Island. So
we all have a pretty cyclical nature. It's not the

(06:43):
first time I've talked about this on this podcast. Things
that we do absolutely every single day, maybe without even
realizing it day to day, it can make our lives easier.
But when we know the kids, you know, have to
be picked up from school, we know when the spouse
may be late for work and why or and the
mailman is supposed to come and where he leaves the
packages when they do come. But Tina Snipes took those

(07:05):
routines to a whole new level. Tina very much so
had her daily schedule. She would wake up and spend
most of her day hanging out at the gas station
mart at the end of her long dirt road on
Edisto Island in South Carolina, that was if she didn't
have to work. She had just recently gotten work cleaning
beach houses on Edisto Island, right in South Carolina's low country,

(07:26):
and even when she was scheduled to work, she would
go to this mart and get a ride from the
woman who was giving her work to go to whatever
condo she was assigned to that day. Tina had her
car break down a while ago and relied on that
woman religiously to get to and from work. Tina was
originally from South Georgia, but life got hard, very very

(07:47):
fast for her. She divorced from her husband after what
seemed to be a really ugly ending to her marriage.
And shortly after she got divorced, she met Ronald Miles,
who she met while she was walking her dog one
day while she was living in Norcross, Georgia, a coastal
Georgia town about an hour and a half north of Jacksonville, Florida,
and it was love at first sight. Ronald was a

(08:08):
small man with a great smile. She was a small woman,
five feet three about one hundred and thirteen pounds. Tina
was an army veteran with two children, and it was
clear to just about everyone who knew Tina, especially her
sister Lisa, that she was going through it. At this
point in life. It all just seemed to be catching
up to her very very fast, and this move on
to Edistow Island seemed to be just an attempt to

(08:29):
just start all over. But when Tina had gone to
Edistow Island with Ronald, her relationship with the rest of
her family became more and more distant. She would text
her call her sister and her kids several times a week,
but that was pretty much it.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
I can see how for anyone, one thing can domino
the rest of your life, like her car breaking down
and relying on someone else and then going through a divorce.
It's just life is just taking its toll on her, right.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah, And I've seen that so many times too, in
so many different cases, right where it just feels like,
you know, like little things add up, right where it's
just you have like this happens, and then you know,
the next thing, you know, the car breaks down, and
the next thing you know, like maybe you lose your
job or next thing you know, like it just it
can feel overwhelming sometimes, right, and especially to a specific
type of person. I could easily see where life was

(09:22):
just getting too much in South Georgia, and no matter
what was holding her there, it was just time to go.
It was time to go somewhere else, and often too right.
When when you meet someone who you you know, find
that really close bond with as well, you know, it
can be really easy to let some of the people
who you know, who you know maybe represented it to

(09:43):
a certain extent, maybe not directly, but indirectly, you know,
by association kind of thing, the life that you used
to have that you don't want to live anymore for
one reason or another, and that and that kind of change.
I feel like there's something psychologically there. There has to
be that, you know. That kind of change just does
something to your mind and just makes you like really
want to do a one to eighty in your life

(10:03):
for some reason, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yeah, And I'm a suspicious person already, and you're.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
In good company.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Just thinking that she met this man and was swept away,
right makes me suspicious of him and poor Ronald, Like,
I don't know if he had anything to do with this,
but yeah, I already have my eye on him.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Sure, Yeah, no, Ronald's that's fair.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
And again, like listen, like you know, stereotypes about you know,
it's usually the spouse or stereotypes because ninety percent of
the time or whatever the statistics are say that it's
usually the spouse. And so it's it's not it's for
not for a bad reason. But again it's like, it's so,
so you meet this person in in you know, in
South Georgia, and it's like, what kind of like how
special could that have been? Like what kind of connection

(10:46):
could that have been? Like what like what was going
on to make you like move to a different country,
like away from your kids, away from your family, away
from the life that you had been living up to
that point forty plus years. It's like, how, like who
was Ronald? What was all about? And what could he
have possibly said and done to convince her to do that?
If it required any convincing Maybe it was Tina's idea.

(11:08):
We don't really know, right.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Some people are really vulnerable, and especially even more so
whenever they're having a lot of bad things going on
in their life. And she probably saw something good in
him and let herself fall into it.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
It's so easy to do that, right, So easy to
do that. It's so easy to make it think that
this is going to solve all the problems right like,
or even if it's temporary, it's so easy to do that.
And it's really easy to you know, to fool even yourself,
even if somebody else isn't fooling you, it's easy to
fool yourself, very very easy. So you know, but life, though,
you know, seemed to feel very very safe on Edisto Island. Again,

(11:43):
this was like a very small, quintessential beach town. Tina
had her daily routine, and a part of that routine
involved the close friends that she made while hanging out
at the March, just again a quarter mile from her house,
like clockwork. She would show up there every single day
by foot. She was a regular. She found friendship and
refuge at that mark, creating bonds with employees and customers

(12:06):
are like. Customers later told reporters that they remember her
sitting at the store all day largely, you know, just
minding her own business. She just liked to be there.
They said that they could count on seeing Tina with
her hair tied up in a bun, wearing sunglasses and
a cross pendant necklace. They told the Posting Courier, the
newspaper in South Carolina, that they could tell that she
had been through a lot in her life, saying, quote,

(12:28):
you could tell there was just a hard life on
her face.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
That's interesting that a lot of people noticed her. So
she would I mean, she must have been friendly to
them at least, right, But to be there every day
all day, it's kind of weird. Yeah, And what else
could you be doing? Right?

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Well, and that's fair.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
And I think that there's like something to be said
to you about like, like you know, just you know,
knowing that the people who you know, you like in
this world are going to be there right, like they
have to be there because they work and so because
that's where they work. And so I think that there's
something like like again, kind of what you said, a
little strange, a little odd about that, but also kind
of special in touching, Like yeah, right that like when whenever,

(13:08):
because because you don't want to be in your in
your in your house and we're you know, about to
find out the conditions that that you lived in and
they weren't great. But like you know, she doesn't want
to be in the house, and so let's you know,
let's go to this mart because this is where I
like to be this, These people are nice to me,
these none of these people really give me a hard
time about being here. So why not why wouldn't I.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Just say here?

Speaker 3 (13:28):
Sure I can see that.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
And to your point too about like you know, wanting
you know all these people who you know, likely you
know went there on a regular basis, right because against
small beach town, you know, not a whole lot of
people stay there year round, and so they probably do
go there for their groceries or for for whatever they
need for their gas, and so they you know, the
the fact that people that she was there enough for
those people to also notice how often she was there,

(13:52):
I think says a lot about her, you know, about
the routines that she that she had been experiencing, about
the you know, about just the life that she has experiencing,
and the impression that she leaves on people as well.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yeah, And I'm imagining that she must stick out in
some way, because if I went to a store, you know,
once a week or whatever, I wouldn't recognize every one
there unless they were doing something weird or saying something
weird or just I don't know.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yeah, that's fair and I and then that also makes
me wonder again because we're about to we're very early
on in this story, but we're about to find out
some things, and so I'll just like, you know, put
a put a pin in that. But I but I
also have to wonder then too, like is are the
reasons why she's standing out for good reasons? Because she
was nice to people because she you know, because people

(14:40):
liked being around her because she was fine? Or were
they because kind of what you're saying before about because
of you know, kind of eye brought raising reasons like
who is she like you know side I like, you know,
like for put office reasons like like what were people
noticing her for? Is you know, I think pretty clique
key to figuring out exactly who Tina was, I think, yeah. Well,

(15:02):
but nonetheless, you know, the woman that Tina met at
the mart became more like sisters to her. They looked
out for each other, often staying late to make sure
that they got home safe at night. They created a
real bond together, and so they knew when the other
one was acting just a bit off and when they
weren't acting within their normal routines and habits. And so
on August fifteenth, twenty eighteen, when Tina started exhibiting those

(15:24):
odd behaviors that were just outside of her normal routine,
that was noticed right away. But that day started out
just like any other. Tina left her camper about a
quarter mile away from the Horizon Easy Shop gas station,
hung around for a little bit before getting into the
passenger side of a car and driving off. Now, you know,
I have a lot of questions about this, for sure,

(15:45):
and I know you all do too, but it's not
totally clear if this was the same kind of car
that she would normally get into to get to work.
And it also isn't totally clear if Tina's friends knew
who the person was who was driving the car that day,
but they clearly didn't think that it was anything out
of the ordinary based on their interactions in the way
that they've reacted to this whole situation. But again, to

(16:06):
be clear, like she was usually getting rides to and
from this gas station anyways, so maybe for that reason
it just didn't really raise an eyebrow, but obviously in hindsight,
definitely eyebrow raising for sure. And interestingly, you know, the
woman who was giving Tina work later said that Tina
texted her that day saying that her phone was out
of minutes, but that she would still be able to

(16:27):
report to work as normal and that she would be
at the Horizon gasmark just like she always was every
other day.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Okay, so her friend saw her get in this car,
and Okay, if they didn't notice anything suspicious, I'm thinking, Okay,
there's nothing suspicious, because she would be acting.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
A little weird, like sure, and again, like these people
are very close. These are all people who have seen
a thing or two right, like know when things are off.
And so I think, you know, to that point, like
if there was something even just as little bit strange
about this that like Tina shouldn't have gone off into
this car, I feel very confident that they would have
done something right then and there, just based on what

(17:07):
I know about Tina's relationship with these women and so
so to that point, like like, you know, because Tina
seems like this independent woman, like maybe it just didn't
really seem you know, worthy to to you know, go
to you know, look at who was driving the car.
Who's this person, Who's what kind of car are they driving?
Maybe it was a different car every day, you know,

(17:29):
that's very possible as well. And so so there's I
feel like I need to know a whole lot more
information about, you know, the circumstances behind her getting these
rides and what kind of ride she was getting, who
they who she was getting them from, in order for
me to really fully understand you know, the like just
how suspicious this was or if it was just seemed

(17:50):
to be you know very much so in character for Tina.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
Well, I'm thinking like girl code, like if I was
gonna if I saw someone drive up that I no,
and I'm sitting there with my friends, I'm like, hey,
I know that person. I'm going to go talk to
them for a minute and I'll be right back, or hey,
i'll see you later, like I'm going to go. So
I'm wondering what she said to them.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yeah before right, and yeah, and again I think very clear,
like this was the same day that she you know,
because she always reports to work on Sundays. That's the
day that she cleans the condos, and so this was
a Sunday she went to work. She said this is
it was the exact time that she said that she
was going to go to work and to like the
so interestingly as well, So like there was the timeline

(18:36):
here I think is really really important because the so
the text was sent and I getting the vibe that
it was sent a couple of days before to the
to the the woman who was giving Tina work that
she wasn't gonna have minutes, she would still be at
the mart, everything would be fine. And so for that reason,
it's kind of unclear as to whether or not, like

(18:59):
she she was picked up from the from the car
and then sent the from the mart and then sent
the text message potentially because again like when when the
text message is sent is really unclear. I'm just getting
the potential bad that maybe it was just a couple
of days before and then she left.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Yeah, So I can't imagine that she would text after
she was supposed to be picked up or that same
about time saying I don't have minutes, but I'm still
gonna be there like it had to be before.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah, I would guess, so, right, I mean, because the
only thing, the only reason I think that right, because
I've done so many of these cases where it's like
it's you know who whatever and who if someone does
something bad to somebody, they'll take the phone and be
and like send to try to get by them a
little bit more time that has happened. That's like quintessential
right crime one oh one kind of thing like that's

(19:47):
that's kind of that's you know, the first place to look.
And So for what that being said, I I don't
have any reason to believe that Tina did not send
these text messages.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
I'll just put it that way.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
I just I'm looking at this like kind of critically
of like, Okay, is it possible she'd I didn't send
the text messages, And I just don't think that the
evidence back like completely rules out in my opinion that
she didn't.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
She was the one to send the text messages. In
my opinion, I could be proven wrong. I'll put it
that way.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
But you know, the Horizon Gasmart was the last place
that Tina Snapes would ever be seen, even to this day.
It was just in a few blurry frames of security
camera video showing Tina walking around the store at about
three o'clock in the afternoon in a textured tank top,
yoga pants, flip flaps, a necklace, sunglasses, and her hair
pulled back into a bun. And here, Madison, why don't

(20:32):
you take a look at this photo, And we're also
going to put it on our social media pages and
linked to it on our website and in our show
notes as well.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Oh okay, yeah, you can't really tell much about that.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
I can't even really tell that that's Tina, if I'm
being completely honest. I mean, they seem very confident that
it is, but it's very in nondescript.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Well, they did say that they always recognized her wearing
a bun. Mm hmm, that woman has a bun. Yeah,
but she's wearing sunglasses indoors.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yeah, it does seemed to me that she that this
is like typically how Tina presented herself. These are the
kind of clothes that she would wear. She always had
this pendant necklace on. She was usually wearing flip flops.
Like you said, she was usually had her hair back
pulled up back in a bun. And I think too,
like people were here around the store as well, and
like like again, she was usually visiting friends when she

(21:19):
when she went to go to the store, and so
I have to imagine that maybe they were like yep,
like that lines up at the time that she was
probably here that lines up with you know, the path
that she usually usually took, that lined up to what
she was wearing that day, and so but but to
that point, like it's not a very clear photo at all,
and so so I don't yeah, I don't know. But again,

(21:40):
like this is pretty much the last frame that anyone
would ever see Tina before she got into that car
and drove off, and who knows what happens next. Frankly,
So again, we're going to put that picture on our
social media pages on Facebook and Instagram. We're also going
to link to it on our website as well. But
you know, her friends ends up reporting Tina missing two
days later. After Tina never showed up to the door

(22:00):
again after August fifteenth, and again she is there practically
every single day. A detective visited the store, saw that
footage and heard about Tina and her daily trips to
the store and how they had just stopped abruptly out
over the last few days, again completely out of character
for Tina. The detective then drove the quarter mile down
the dirt road to where Tina's friend said she had

(22:22):
been staying. He pulled up to the camper, which you know,
looked just pretty disheveled. It was frankly not exactly the
kind of environment that most people want to live in.
They were just stuff kind of placed just about pretty
much everywhere, and just again, not great conditions in this camper.
And as he looked around, he saw more and more
very concerning things. The detective found several items that belonged

(22:43):
to Tina, just scattered all across the property, things that
you know, the average person, according to this detective, wouldn't
believe she would leave the house without The detective wouldn't
say what the items were and where they were found exactly,
just that they were completely out of place, but within
walking distance of the home. The detective elaborated on a
recent episode of the Charleston County Sheriff's Office podcast The

(23:05):
Beat that he couldn't elaborate on why due to the
ongoing investigation, but did say that he believed the discovery
of those scattered items to be evidence of foul play.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
We went there, we were dispatched there on August seventeenth.
I went out there, which was a Friday afternoon, and
I found signs of some type of foul play. Something
took place. She did not voluntarily leave her little trailer.

Speaker 5 (23:34):
So when you say that there's evidence of foul play,
are you able to expand a little bit more on that.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
No, Okay. The reason why I won't expand because it's
part of the crime. Okay, Yeah, it's part of the crime,
and I want just explain that. I don't want to
give you an answer for a no. But if it's
a part of the incident, we don't release any facts
of a crime because all this is used later on
if we end up in the criminal justice system.

Speaker 5 (24:02):
No, and that's fine. It's good to know that because
I know in a lot of situations, particularly as an
outsider civilian looking in, you often wonder, Okay, well, I
know there's more details, but why don't I get to
know more details? And it's good to know that. It's
because it is for the privacy of the victim and
also for the investigation itself. You can't release too much

(24:26):
details for fear of corrupting that investigation. Yes, right, So
that's just one of those scenarios.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
Our evidence was at her trailer, so that would be
her last location that I would document in the criminal
case if we ended up going to court for any reason.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Okay, that makes me think that whatever they found, it's
clear who did it, because if they released that, then
that person would.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
Know yeah, right or at least no, that they knew
that they were on to them and to a certain extent,
right like it has to that. That's that's a very
good point because I feel like I've I've never seen
that level of secrecy in a case, not not you know,
personally anyways, because typically it's like they're has to like
it because he's clearly talking as though he knows something

(25:21):
definitive and so like, regardless of whether that definitive thing is,
you know, how how whatever happened happened or what it
is or pointed points to a specific person, but he
is clearly, you know, indicating that it indicates us, you know,
a specific thing that happened to teena in some way
she or form. And so it's odd to me anyways,

(25:43):
and again without simply without knowing what he's referring to here,
it's odd to me that he is is keeping that
away only because typically they'll they'll put out just enough
to back up exactly what they're thinking and and exactly
what they need to prove to the public, especially around

(26:03):
a case like this, where there's like a decent amount
of attention and people are asking questions, and you know,
point being is like it it seems I'll put.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
It this way.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
And he loses to this element mnths later on in
clips that we're going to play for you, Like he
clearly he clearly believes that teens has died and so
at this point and so it seems to me as
though it's based off of the evidence that they found
at the at their home, and so it's odd to me.
I suppose that they they you know, talk about this
this evidence clearly allude to it proving that she's that

(26:34):
she has passed, but not exactly saying what that evidence
is and how it proves that she has passed.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
How long after her disappearance was this interview?

Speaker 1 (26:45):
So this was just this past October in twenty twenty three,
and so she and she went missing in August of
twenty eighteen. So more than five years or yeah, more
than five years later.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
Wow, and they still haven't released more information or.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Arrested someone not at this point against spoiler alert A
big time but yeah, no, big big time spoiler. But yeah,
I again, I always like to you know, I don't
like to lead you guys on. You know, I don't
like to leave you guys, lead you guys on if
I can, you know, avoid you guys being a little
mad at me towards the end of an episode because
there's not enough you know, like you know, wrapping up here.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
But yeah, but to that.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Point, there's they they really they have not really you know,
alluded to any of that. And so to your to
the point of what you're saying before Madison, it leads
me to believe that that evidence is substantial enough that
if they were to talk about it publicly, it could
be it could be detrimental.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Right, And how definitive he was and saying, you know,
if if this were to go to trial or whatever,
like that's the plan, right.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
Right exactly, Otherwise they would just if they didn't think
that it was relevant, right, You're so right about that,
they would just they would just really sit publicly. You're
so right, And and to like if it what like
it makes me wonder what exactly that evidence is exactly,
and and how how damning it is, how bad it is,
and how it must point to something very very specific,

(28:06):
you know, right.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
And it must be someone that she knows well if
it was in.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Her home, potentially, right, absolutely, but you know, detectives, you know,
end up searching the property in the surrounding areas, many
times by foot, water, in the air, and said that
she had gone missing under mysterious circumstances, and detectives deemed
her disappearance straight up suspicious, but again would not elaborate
on why exactly, beyond saying that it was due to

(28:33):
the items that they had found that Tina's home. They
initially treated her case as a missing person's case, but
later elevated it to a straight up homicide, saying that
was largely because they could get more resources that way,
but not necessarily because they had more evidence pointing to
Tina definitely being dead.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
Oh interesting, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
Bits and pieces from people on what happened to her,
and again we're talking fall play, so I'll just keep
in general, there was a foot search done by our
Search and Rescue for Charleston County. The dive team went out,
checked the waterways, and we haven't had any luck in

(29:13):
recovering Tina Snipe. If she's deceased, okay, she may still
be alive, I don't know, because we don't have anything
to tell us either way. But we're working this. I'm
working this along with my other detectives at as a homicide,

(29:35):
not that it is, but we put in more there's
more things we can do. We don't work any harder
if it's a homicide or a missing person. But when
you have somebody missing for a long period of time
with no contact with the family, even though she was

(29:55):
a loner, still she would contact somebody. That's only natural.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
I just don't really know what to think about that,
because I'm not as familiar as other people, certainly not
as much as you about the process for that. Them
saying we have more resources if we declare this a homicide,
not that we take it anymore seriously or work it
any harder, and it's like, well, that's actually exactly what

(30:22):
you're saying.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, it is odd. It's a weird.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
I guess maybe he's trying to say in terms of
like the amount of time or care that he puts
that they put into it. Maybe that's like the number,
like they.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Care just as much, but right, they can spend more
time on it.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Well, So I think the way that I read that
actually is kind of it's almost through the legal process,
because it makes me. It makes the first thing that
that came to my mind was warrants with search warrants
and like, maybe that if if you know, you present
it and you know and you know, present it to
a judge that you believe that this person has died,

(30:58):
maybe you are more likely to get a search weren't
from authorization from a judge and so therefore you can
execute that or you know, or maybe people are going
to be more likely to cooperate, Right, That's a big thing.
That's a big thing with with with these kind of cases,
is that is that it you know, the witnesses that
you need to get to cooperate with you, maybe you're
more likely to cooperate with you if they believe that

(31:20):
they are cooperating with A homicide investigation is supposed to
be a missing person, which it just has too many
open ends. So I think, I think I think of
that in a couple of different ways.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
For that, I.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Thought about that a lot because I was, you know,
it was like resources, like how do you get more
resources like this, like your chief like authorize more and
that that didn't make any sense to me at all
because it almost feels like there's more at stake for
a missing person's investigation.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Right, that you would they could still be out there.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
They could very much still still be out there, right,
and like, you know, who knows what happens and that's
his situation, right, And so I was thinking that much.
But then so maybe it was just like you get
more like outside funding or something.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
It's it's there's a lot of different avenues. And again
it's like, it's interesting because he's being so open about it,
right by like doing this podcast and like talking about
this very openly and clearly in a way to get
attention for Tina Snipes, but then also just being so
incredibly vague that I'm like, I have so many more
questions than I did before I was listening to.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
Your righte me too.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yeah, So so I don't know.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Again, I have to imagine that maybe it was just
like a warrant thing that it's like you can get
more search warrants, that you can get more people to cooperate,
you can you know, again, we're going to talk about
how you know, he they may be interested in talking
to some people who may be in jail, so and
so that's a big teaser, and so maybe they'll they're
more likely to get authorization to go into a jail
and talk to an inmate if there, if it's about

(32:41):
a homicide investigation.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
Yeah, And another thing that came to mind for me
was maybe an interrogation tactic if they have a suspect
and they're like, you're going to be arrested for sure,
murder as opposed to kidnapping.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
I mean, she's an adult, but you know what I mean.
And then that person is like, no, no, no, like she's
still I don't know. I see this play out on TV.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
So maybe no, that's no, that's not well.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
And listen, one thing I've learned about, you know, from
from all the people who I know who, who are who?
That's kind of the world, is that TV, in terms
of the tactics not that far off. And so that's
you're probably not that far off, frankly. But I also,
but even without even besides them being a suspect, I
think about also the people who may be witnesses, who

(33:29):
who who?

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Again who?

Speaker 1 (33:30):
If you're trying to interrogate that person to cooperate because
they know something they know a little bit too much,
then maybe they'll be more likely to cooperate if it's
a possible homicide investigation, even if they're not necessarily suspected
of doing anything.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
True.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Okay, yeah, okay, So what about Ronald though? Where did
he go?

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (33:48):
We have not talked about Ronald at all in this
whole episode, and I think that is very very relevant
for sure. And there's a really good reason why we
haven't talked about Ronald Madison because it's not totally clear.
Look what he's thinking about Tina at this point, it's
not totally clear like what he's actually you know, believes
happened to Tina. But it is pretty obvious what he's doing.
And it's not a lot medicine because at the time

(34:09):
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Speaker 1 (36:01):
By Ronald was serving time in state prison for attempted murder.
He was arrested in August of twenty seventeen, so a
year before Tina went missing, and it was confirmed that
he was still in jail when Tina went missing, so
he was ruled out as a suspect for that reason.
Of course, his as I like to say, his hands
were tied. So here's what happened though that led to

(36:22):
Ronald's criminal charges. A guy ended up showing up at
Ronald and Tina's camper when evening like absolutely livid again
about a year before Tina went missing, and started arguing
with Ronald about money. It was at the same trailer
with that Tina was believed to have disappeared from a
year later. Well, somehow this argument escalated and Ronald ended

(36:43):
up shooting this guy in the leg. Ronald was charged
and investigators later interviewed him in prison after Tina disappeared,
and investigators said publicly to reporters that they know he
didn't have anything to do with Tina's disappearance directly, and
they also don't believe he had anything to do with
Tina's disappearance indirectly either.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Okay, but that other guys family. Could I could see,
you know, you took our family from us. We're going
to take your family, right you And he's not there
to defend.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Sure, so that this guy lived, Just to be clear,
the guy who Ronald shot just so yeah, yeah, so
he shot him in the leg.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
He was fine. I'm sure he was hurt. But but
I like to where you're done with that.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
I'm back after her.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
He could come back. He very he clearly has every
reason to. And again I think about like he clearly
knows where Tina lives, and knows where Ronald lives, and knows,
you know, Ronald's away, that he went to jail, and
Ronald's not there, and Tina's very much so home alone.
So listen, not accusing anybody of anything. We didn't name
this man in this in this episode for that reason.

(37:51):
But it's very interesting to me. And like again, I
don't believe in coincidences in any situation. I definitely don't
believe in coincidences what it comes to criminal investigations. And
so when I think about two crimes that are committed
on the same small little camper lot, I don't one
hundred percent by that those two things are not related.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
Right, and sorry, Ronald that I was suspicious of you
at the beginning, but you did shoot someone.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
He was again his hands were tied. Yeah right, Yeah,
Ronald clearly isn't Scott Free in any way, shape or form.
But yeah, that's very very fair. But you know, Tina's
sister Lisa, just listen to this. Madison apparently had no
idea that Ronald was in jail and that Tina was
living completely alone at this camper as a result of that.

(38:37):
And that was all despite their regular contact, including in
the week leading up to Tina's disappearance, when they were
discussing Tina's plans for Christmas and about a relative who
was in the hospital.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Okay, I'm an only child, so I can't really relate
to this, But I can't imagine talking to someone regularly
and for a year not mentioning that my fewance was
in jail. I mean, obviously there might be a little
bit of embarrassment there, but still I think that would
take a lot of lies, because surely her sister's like, hey,

(39:10):
how's how's Ronald doing, and Tina's just like, oh, yeah,
he's fine, Like.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Right, yeah, well, and and so I got the impression
again because I I didn't meet Lisa directly, but I
have heard many of her interviews and i've you know,
was there at one point when when she was getting
interviewed again because I was an intern when I was
talking about this case or when this case was going on.
And so I did one single story, just speak clear.
I just want to, you know, make that so clear.
But but I did kind of get the impression that

(39:37):
it was possible that, you know, because I remember Lisa
saying that, you know, Ronald's fine, like everything's cool, like
you never she never got like any sort of you know, bad, no,
you know, never you know, believe that that he would
be capable of hurting Tina in any way, shape or form.
But like they definitely didn't. They definitely weren't like spy

(39:58):
any means, like right, like they definitely weren't. Like she
wasn't like thrilled that Tina was was getting married to
Ronald by any means.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
And like moving away and booving away or from her kids.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
And so for sure, like I could see where it
was like, Okay, this guy, like you know, like Tina
is going away with Ronald. Lisa is like what, like
what is happening why are you going away? What is
going on here? And then you know, and Lisa expressing
her her disapproval with this decision, and Tina being like,

(40:29):
it's fine, and then going away, and then you know
at the back end being like, Okay, you were clearly
right about this guy. Right again, even if it were
maybe maybe you know, maybe you know her, she's not
even thinking that, like she just wants doesn't want Lisa
to think that she was right about Ronald.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
She wasn't.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Okay, Now I'm wondering why she stayed there instead of
moving back home if he was in jail or prison? Yeah,
And like why is she just hanging out of the
case station all day?

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (41:01):
And again, So a couple of different thoughts there, right,
Like one like, she did have a job. She had
a job there that you know again, you know, cleaning
condos is certainly not like you know, bringing the bookoo coins, but.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
It's certainly like groceries.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
And it's enough, right if you live in a camper, right,
it's enough to get by. She had friends there, like,
she had a life there, right, Like it's and it's hard, right,
it's hard to just up and move. You're like, I've
moved up and moved four different times in my life. Like,
it's hard to just to be able to just do that,
and especially when you don't have a car, you don't
have you really don't have anything back in Georgia that
you didn't have when you left, you know, in terms

(41:34):
of like your family, like that was much all that
you had in South Georgia. Like she really didn't have
anything else happening for her, frankly, and so it was
probably very very difficult to be like to admit that
she wants to go back, that she that she has
the choice but to go back, that this is the best,
that it didn't work out, And again there's like a
certain amount of pride there too. I would imagine. I

(41:55):
don't know anything about like Tina and Lisa's relationship directly
in terms of if they were really friends or what
have you, but I do know that you know that
that again, I'm not an only child, I'm one of four,
and so I know that like that competition with with
with siblings, like I will never admit that any right
about anything right, because that's just how it is.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
And so maybe that there's a little bit.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
Of that going on, true, Yeah, And I realized that
I'm probably coming from a place of privilege to think, like, well,
if I just told someone that I wanted to come home,
they'd figure out a way to get me there. Well,
they might not have those luxuries.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Yeah, Well, but to your point, though, Madison, like I
do like it was very clear to me that that
if Tina wanted to wanted to come home, like Lisa
would have made it happen. It was that was very
very clear to me, you know, even just from watching
the stories that that this that Lisa would have would
have moved heaven and earth to make sure that that

(42:49):
that that was going to happen. So, you know, don't
feel too bad about that, I suppose it is the
point of that. But you know, at some point between
the day that Tina went missing and the first scene
of her of her disappearance, Ronald was released from prison
and spoke to multiple news outlets about Tina and about
how much she just loved her and missed her and
wanted her to come home. But as the months went

(43:10):
on and on without any sign of Tina or any
evidence uncovered that could lead them any closer to finding her,
investigators continue to reassure Tina's family, the media, and the
public that they were continuing to investigate her disappearance and
would continue to do so until they got closure. Around
the second anniversary of Tina's disappearance, investigators told Live five news,

(43:32):
the CPS affiliate in Charleston, that they had recently interviewed
numerous individuals and had searched possible locations of interest. They
had also said that they had interviewed an inmate in
a state prison around this time who they believed to
have had relevant information about Tina's disappearance. Now, if that
produced anything significant, investigators never released that publicly, but the

(43:54):
lead detective on the case did float in the Charleston
County Sheriff's Office podcast a really trusting theory possibly that
did stand out to me.

Speaker 4 (44:03):
At the time of her disappearance, she was married, Her
husband was away. He wasn't the way voluntarily and he
was incarcerated, all right, and she still had contact with him.
So she was a person that had a husband and
when he was released for whatever he did from Department

(44:26):
of Corrections, she was gone, you know, so we look
at aspects of his life. Was there somebody that wanted
to bother her because of him. There's so many directions
we go to go and people are reluctant to cooperate

(44:47):
with the police, not because they don't want to, they're
in fear they have to testify in court. That's how
our court system works well.

Speaker 5 (44:55):
In particular in cases where you suspect foul play, then
they may fear that for themselves as well.

Speaker 4 (45:01):
Correct, that's correct.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
Hmm, okay, So exactly what we were talking about really
pretty much.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Yeah, And but to that point though again kind of
what you're talking about about, you know that, And so
first of all, I have to say that that you know,
the detective referred to Ronald and and Tina as being married.
I have only ever seen that they were engaged in
that they had plans to get married. So maybe they
were like you know, they had like a courthouse whatever situation,
like they signed that the certificate, but never actually had

(45:28):
a ceremony. So, you know, but neither here nor there,
I suppose. But point being is so to the point
of you know that the that you know the spouse
is is you know, usually involved again we were that
was you know, assens of original or something here, and
so it doesn't you know, you have to at least
go down that hole of like who's connected to him,
who does he know, who does he not? Who does

(45:49):
not get along with?

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Right?

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Like what his what's in his past? That could have
driven something up here? Because it's also interesting and I
think that we haven't really talked about this, but I
think it's really notable here that the fact that Tina
really doesn't have a lot of connections and certainly doesn't
seem to have a lot of enemies as a result, right,
because because she has Ronald, she has a few friends
at the gas station, she has the woman who's giving

(46:10):
her work at the at the the condo house cleaning service,
and that was pretty much it, right, And so it's
it's as far as I can tell, anyways. And so
it's interesting to me that that there's this man who
who clearly, you know, has something going on, you know,
at the very least you know, has criminal charges, right,

(46:32):
regardless of whatever else is going on as a result.
And then then there's this woman who really seems to
keep to herself a whole lot, and and it just
seems like the obvious choice here is like, let's see
what's in this dude's past and see what's going on,
even if we don't think that he had anything to
do with it directly.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Yeah, And one thing that we haven't really talked about,
but the carn that she got into, and it could
be the person that was paying her up to go
to work, but that's the last person that.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
She saw, right, And who is that person?

Speaker 6 (47:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (47:07):
Who is that person? Did she actually go to work?
If she did go to work, then is the the
woman that's giving her the condo cleaning job? Is she
a suspect?

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Yeah, that's a great point. And I and you're right,
we haven't talked about this, but I have I need
to know about this person.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
You're so right about that.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
And because because that person has never come forward, just
to be crystal clear, that person is never specifically said,
I'm sure I don't even think that they've been identified
necessarily possibly even at all. Because also there's no like
like like you know, link between who like because again,
Tina's phone didn't have any minutes, she wasn't texting anybody,
so who knows who? Like, there was no there's no like,

(47:49):
uh paper trail behind.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
Yeah, I'm sure she's getting paid in cash too.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Probably right exactly. And I also have to say too
to that to that point, So the so this she
was caught on security camera video at the gas station
around three pm. She gets into the into the car,
drives off cool and then if you I kind of
noted this like very very briefly, but I think it's
very very significant. How So, the detective believes that she

(48:15):
went missing between eight o'clock and nine o'clock at the house,
and so that five hour period I have a lot
of questions about. But then it makes me think, okay,
well maybe they were able to determine for sure that
she went to work that day.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
Yeah, that makes sense the timeline wise, like I don't
know how long it takes to clean a condo, but
a couple hours and then or multiple condos, I don't
know sure. And then that person took her home instead
of obviously taking her back to the gas station a
block away at nine pm.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Right well, and and but that was her always her routine,
that she would get driven back to the gas station
and then walk back to the to the to the house.
And so that's to that point, because I'm really glad
you brought brought this up, because again I've been going
and that's over this case for the past five years.
So welcome to my brain, madam. But the but so,
I don't don't understand why unless she was just like, yeah,

(49:04):
bring me home and everything and cool, like that's fine
if you want to, but like she never really wanted
to let make anyone drive down that that dirt road
you know, for for her. But maybe this person was
willing to do it this night, like okay, and so
so then and then got back to the house. But
point being so is that this was the one time
that clearly that that broke, And so why did that break?

Speaker 2 (49:25):
What made it break? Who? Who was okay with it breaking?
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Like, no such thing as a coincidence, No such.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Thing as a coincidence, definitely not. And so yeah, so
I I just you're I have a lot of questions,
and I'm glad again, I'm glad you brought this up
because I have a lot of questions about this ride
back and forth and how it happened and what the
circumstances were, and again who was involved. And I think
that would probably answer a whole lot of questions. And
I wonder if the detective knows that person is and
knows that they may be involved in some way, shape

(49:52):
or form, or maybe not because again because that because
that's the kind of information that they would keep close
to the chess and wouldn't release the public if they
knew that person was involved.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
In some way.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
Yeah, so many questions.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
So many questions. Again, welcome to my brain. For the
last five years. So in the years after Tina's disappearance,
media stories would pop up around the anniversary of Tina
going missing, but you know, not much more.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Again.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
The Charleston County Sheriff's Office did an episode of a
podcast they produced just done Tina, and it provided a
lot of information used in this episode, even though it
really didn't provide a whole lot of new details or
and he details at all. Frankly, we're going to link
to that episode on our website and in our show
notes so that you can listen to it in full.
Tina's sister, Lisa has spoken to reporters a lot in

(50:34):
the year since Tina went missing. We asked her to
be interviewed for this episode, and she responded saying she
really wanted to, but it was just too difficult to
talk about her sister even after all these years. Who
she describes as a shy, trusting, and a sweet woman
who likely just lost her way. In the weeks and
months after Tina's disappearance, Lisa would host weekly prayer vigils

(50:55):
for Tina, but those have since dropped off. Today, Lisa
says she feels as she has done everything she can
for Tina, which I guess is like the blessing in
all of this. I suppose she runs a Facebook group
today called missing Find Tina Snipes, where she posts regular
updates on Tina's case and posts updates on what would
have been Tina's life as well. Tina's sons are now

(51:18):
young adults, and now her older son just got married
recently and they had a very premature baby who died
shortly after being born. On the baby's obituary, it states
they were proceeded in death by her grandmother Tina Snipes.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
Interesting again, I'm a really suspicious person, and she's running
this Facebook group called missing Find Tina Snipes, but then
in an obituary they're saying that she's dead.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Yeah, so to be clear, So so she made this
this this Facebook group very shortly after she went missing,
So maybe she did believe that she went missing after that,
and maybe she even still wants to believe that she's
that she is still missing or does actually believe that
she's still missing inside all.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
Right, But and then the police are saying we're investigating
as a homicide.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Okay, right right, So so there's that. So you know again,
I say, you know, I say this every single week,
but I or every single week that I cover a
you know, cold case anyways, but it just feels like
there's something here that, like one person could really speak
up and break this whole thing wide open. It fits
the person who drove the car, whoever it may be,

(52:26):
And so I say so with so much like hutzvah here.
Please people, if you know anything about Tina Snipe's disappearance,
called the Charleston County Sheriff's Office at eight four three
two zero two one two seven zero or the Crime
Stoppers of the Low Country at eight four three five
five four one one one one. But that is all

(52:48):
that we have for you this week. So Madison, thank
you so much for coming on and chatting about this
with me.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Of course, thank you for having me, and I've really
enjoyed this gossip wine.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Yeah, oh well good, I'm so glad. I hope that
everything went. You know, is your first true crime wine experience?

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Was that good?

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Was it? Everything? Yeah? Yeah, I would love to come back.
I hate the like we don't get a resolution on this,
but right, I know, I know that's usually how it goes.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Right right, Well, next time around, we can, we can
have you on. We can do a nice clean you know,
like we know who did it. We don't me up,
but night right right right? Well, I you know my
friend doctor Tiffany Bartell very much so, and she's coming
on next week, I believe, and she has always told
me about how she can't do cases where she doesn't
know what happens, and so I'll lump you into that

(53:30):
category as well. That you feel better if that helps
you sleep as well, sleep better. But tell everyone where
they can find you in your work online. You do
a fantastic podcast work and you produce some of your
own podcasts as or some podcasts as well.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
Right, yes, yes, so I produce an edit podcast and
you can learn more about my business at speak easy
Productions dot co or you can follow me on Instagram
speak easy Productions dot co.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Awesome, Well, thank you again so much for coming on
Madison the pleasure my first in person guests, and so
I feel honored.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Hopefully not the last, hopefully not the last.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
One day I'll have a real studio I want have
to record in my closet. I'll elevate to it through
the world like you did. But thank you again so
much for coming on. Thank you all so much for listening.
And we're going to put all of our sources on
our website so you can read everything for yourself and
probably come up with a few theories too. And if
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Hello everybody, it's Liam and.

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I'm Tiffany Bartel. Past to the podcast. How would you
rate your pain? I'm joined the Crime Vineyard next week
with the case of a killer drag queen that became
the center of a national manhunt. Did Brandy West really
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