December 13, 2023 • 35 mins
It was August 5, 1992, in Vancouver, Canada when Alexandra Pesic was gunned down outside her employer's building. The authorities were able to identify and arrest the two mysterious men that were in the car when she was shot along with two of their accomplices in less than two weeks.
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Oxygen - Jelka Pesic Uses True Crime Book As Blueprint to Terrorize And Murder Her Former Daughter-in-Law
PressReader - Mother-in-law who set up murder says she feels sorry for victim
Medium - Inspired by the Plot of a True Crime Book, a Grandmother Hired a Hitman to Murder Her Daughter-in-Law
Lepotesrbije.alo.rs - JELKA PEŠIĆ JE U SVETU POZNATA KAO SVEKRVA IZ PAKLA: Njena zloba i danas šokira, a na kraju je sve otišlo PREDALEKO
Sources for this episode:
Oxygen - Jelka Pesic Uses True Crime Book As Blueprint to Terrorize And Murder Her Former Daughter-in-Law
PressReader - Mother-in-law who set up murder says she feels sorry for victim
Medium - Inspired by the Plot of a True Crime Book, a Grandmother Hired a Hitman to Murder Her Daughter-in-Law
Lepotesrbije.alo.rs - JELKA PEŠIĆ JE U SVETU POZNATA KAO SVEKRVA IZ PAKLA: Njena zloba i danas šokira, a na kraju je sve otišlo PREDALEKO
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We're there. Yes, So anyway, what's in your mug today?
Well, in my mug, Idid go back to my box olpods,
like I said I was going toand I grabbed one thinking that the darker
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colored cups were all pumpkin spice andI was like, I just gotta do
it. But the one that Igrabbed is by Crazy Cups and it's cinnamon
French toast. I like French toast. I like cinnamon apparently, so you
can kind of taste of cinnamon.It's not real strong, but this stuff
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reminds me of the cereal that youcan get. It's so good and smooth
and just the aroma of the cinnamon. But you can smell the French toast
too, you know. It's it'sreally really good and I am really really
enjoying this nice Yes, So whatis in your mud today? I got
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my delivery from Bones Coffee Company ofthe cake cups that I ordered, so
I have frankin Bones, which isthe chocolate hazelnut is one of their fall
that when I ordered. When Iwent to order some, they didn't have
any in the bags, but Idid find a box with the CA Cups.
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I ordered two boxes, so yeah, I'm drinking chocolate hazel nut.
It tastes like one of the littlefor Rare rare real Share Jays things.
Oh my gosh, it's so delicious. I love those things. That's my
son's favorite candy. Oh yeah,yeah, you have a sister that's her
favorite candy too. And I cantell you it's funny because I'm not a
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big fan of like the hazel nutcreamer. You neither, but that stuff.
Oh yeah, I am all aboutit. Me too, Me too.
Yeah, I'm kind of jealous rightnow. You know what, when
I come, when I come downfor Christmas, I'll bring you a couple
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of these CA cups. Okay,even though this cinnamon French toast is delicious,
I'm kind of jealous of yours.I'll share a couple of my friends
and bones CA Cups with you.Okay, all right? Because I did
get two boxes, there you go, because you knew you were going to
have to share. Yeah, we'llgo with that. So I have a
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case for us this week. Allright, do you have your passport?
Oh, let's go. Can't Isay no and still get to go?
No? Because they'll probably search theback end of the jeep when we try
to cross the border over into Canada. Okay, all right, well got
my bassport then yeah, so Ican't seek you in the in the in
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the suitcase. They'll they'll probably searchme when I'm crossing the border. So
we're going to Vancouver, Canada,Oh all right, and we're gonna go
in the kind of back machine.We're going back to the nineteen eighties.
Oh wow, yeah, in theearly nineteen nineties. So it's funny,
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you know we say kind of backmachine, you know, because we don't
think it's that far ago, buta lot of people nowadays would go,
oh my god, that's so longago, you know, because they weren't
born until two thousand or something.You know what, we're not talking about
the kids that call me old.It's fine. I know, it's yeah,
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it's killed, it's killed. Fine, it's cult, it's fine.
So we're gonna talk about Alexandra hAlexandra she was the child of a working
class Yugoslavian immigrants who lived in asuburb of Vancouver, Canada. She was
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a former beauty queen and she hadeven competed in Miss Canada in nineteen eighty
five. Oh sweet. She wastall, beautiful, blonde, and had
what one of her friends described asa wicked sense of humor. Ugh,
oh, I like her already.When she was twenty, she got a
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job as a dental assistant and sheloved to spend time with her mom.
And one of the hobbies that thesetwo women had was they would go to
open houses together just for funzies.Which I'm starting to think this sounds like
a hobby I need to pick upbecause I am nosy as all get out,
and I would love to go intoa stranger's home and see how they
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have their house set up and justpoke my nose in all their closets and
cabinets and everything and see what they'vegot. Yes, and see how they
have it set up. So maybeyou can get some not decorating, but
ideas on how to put your furnitureand stuff like that. I'm about it.
I say, we did we startdoing it? You think this needs
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to be a new hobby for sure? Yes, maybe we should do that
once a month on a weekend orsomething. Yeah. Like you know,
Oh, I love the way theyhave this room set up, but I
would change this or that, andI would have never thought that you could
decorate with this or that or youknow, oh yeah, yeah, you
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know what. Why have we neverdone this? We are nosy. I'm
still this idea because I love it, love it well. She and her
mom were at one of these openhouses and they were speaking in their native
tongue when another woman approached them,all excited because she too was a Yugoslavian
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immigrant. Oh sweet. They hitit off immediately, and when Alexandra mentioned
that she had a little automotive workor she had a little bit of work
that needed to be done to hercar, this woman, whose name was
Jelka Pessick, said that she andher husband owned a car shop and Alexander
should totally use them to fix hercar. Yes, yes, and that's
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exactly what Alexandra did. Nice.So she goes and she takes her car
in to the Pessex's automotive shop,and that's where she met Jelka's son,
twenty seven year old Joe Pesseick.And just like in the Fairy Tales and
in so many episodes that we've covered, it was love at first sight with
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these two. Install love I loveit. Yes, Joe would take Alexandra
to the finest restaurants around town.He always brought flowers to her. He
would take her for rides on hismotorcycle all the time. A month after
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dating, he proposed that definitely isinstill love right there, Uh for sure,
because Alexandra said, uh, ah'sa freakin' lute ly heck, yeah,
who doesn't want to get married?And everyone was super happy for the
couple. That's awesome. Well,then things got a little bit janky.
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Uh oh, Helka. Jelka startedpushing her opinions and thoughts on the couple,
from who should be invited to thewedding to what dress Alexandra should wear
for the wedding. Alexandra started tohave second thoughts about marrying Joe, but
she went ahead with it anyway,thinking, you know, once we're married
and we're living together, Jelka willkind of butt out a little bit,
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right right, back off a littlebit, my mother in law. Yeah,
right, So they got married onJune eleventh of nineteen eighty eight,
but Jelka didn't let up after thewedding. Oh God, come out,
walman, it's not your life anymore. The man is married exactly basically,
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Jelka wanted to control everything that thecouple did, from what they spent their
money on to even where they shouldlive. Alexandra, like you, felt
that she and Joe were grown upsand they could do what they wanted and
they should be able to make theirown decisions without Jelka saying, no,
this is what you need to do. No, this is what you have
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to do. This, this iswhat you should this is what you're gonna
do now. No. See,I mean I've got my opinions and you
know, I would like you todo this, or I would like you
to do that, but you're grownand you do what you want to do.
Yeah, you're not paying my Williams. I am so back off exactly
exactly. You're not gonna question myWilliams. Come on, I set you
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up for that joke perfectly. Okay, let's try that again. You're not
paying my Williams. It don't matterWilliams. Uh yeah, it's like bills.
But they're grown up that I havegrown up bills, so they're Williams.
They're not bills. Yeah, yes, okay, gotcha. Anyway,
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one day, though, Jelka madethe newly one day, Jelka made the
newlyweds an offer they couldn't refuse,though uh oh, she and her husband
would give them. This big checkcould change for a down payment on a
house that was close to their ownhome. I don't know, though,
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you know, I don't. Ilove my family. Okay, not gonna
lie. But the closest one Iguess would be my mother, and she's
thirty five minutes away. So I'mgood with that. I don't want to
live within five minutes because if Idon't want you to come over, or
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if I don't want to come toyour house, you can't make me.
Well, I'm just gonna say,my mother lives about two hours away from
me, and my mother in lawlives about an hour and a half away
from me. And you know,so one day so that the couple took
this offer, they moved into thishome. They bought this home and Joel,
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but the fights didn't stop. Alexandrawere even arguing over whether or not
a backsplash should be installed in thekitchen. You know what, this is
my house. Let me paint itif I want, Let me do whatever
I want. Don't no, thisis my house. You do your house,
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I'll do mine. These these arethe things that Alexandra was fighting with
Joko over all the time. Ohmy god, yeah, oh no.
At the end of nineteen eighty nine, after a year and a half or
so of marriage, Alexandra and Joeannounced to their families that they were expecting
a baby. Oh well, Imean, that's very exciting for them,
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but I'm afraid that the mother inlaw is gonna want to name the baby.
No, no, get over yourself. They've made this thing. Let
them name it what they want.I'm just saying, wow, oh my
godness, you're killing me. Soafter the birth of their son in nineteen
ninety, things didn't calm down betweenAlexandra and her monster in law. Everything
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came everything came to a head onenight when Joe and Alexandra had made plans
to go out on a date night. It'd been a while. They're gonna
go out, just the two ofthem. Jelka's gonna watch their little boy.
He's a baby, a little baby, little baby boy. And Alexandra
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told Jelka, you know, hey, here's the bottles that I've mixed up
for him. Here's his feeding schedule, here's when he needs the next one.
Blah blah, blah blah blah,and Jelka goes, you know,
I think I'm gonna make him atea from the Old Country that we use
back in the Old Country to helpbabies sleep, so he'll sleep really well
while you're not here. Okay,but but he's a baby. Don't give
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him tea. I mean I gaveyou till all y'all were at least a
year old before I gave you coffee. I'm just saying you didn't with my
daughter, well, I mean shewas close to a year old. Is
that child was drinking cut bottles ofcoffee at six months old? Woman?
See, I said she was almosta year ish. Sea did stunt her
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growth. It did my bad.So sure, he's so tiny, that
little munchkin. Oh my goodness.Anyway, we are so getting off topic
here. So Jeka is saying,you know, hey, I should make
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this tea for him so he willsleep really well tonight. And Alexander is
like a woman, you absolutely bestnot make that tea for my kid and
give it to him, because ifso, we're gonna fight, like for
real, for real fight. Yeah, and I'm a win. Yeah,
okay, you tell her. Sothey left and when they returned, learned
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Alexander found that her son was sleepingrather soundly, nice so soundly that she
wasn't able to wake him up.Oh no, oh no. So she's
kind of freaking out a little bit. And Jelka admitted to her that she
had made and given him the teafrom the Old Country anyway. Hmmm.
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Alexandra freaked out because not only couldshe not wake up her baby, she
could hardly feel a pulse. Ohmy god. Ugh. So she takes
him to the hospital. They,you know, they kept him, did
what they could, assured her,you know, he would wake up,
he would be fine, blah blahblah. Everything's okay. The baby was
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okay, thank goodness. But uh, this monster in law bit you better
step on. Yeah. This wasthe last straw for Alexandra. She packed
up her stuff, and she packedup her son's stuff, and she went
to her mother's. She told Joehe had a choice to make. He
could either stand up to his motherand they could move back home and become
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a family, or she would filefor divorce. And they were totally and
completely over, like one hundred percentdone. I get it, I totally
get it. She said she wouldno longer allow herself to come after his
mother, and she absolutely refused tolet her son grow up in that type
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of environment. Got you, I'mbehind you all the way. Well,
Joe ended up making the choice thatshe or ended up not making the choice
that she was hoping he would make. Oh so yeah, So, just
two short years into her marriage,Alexandra files for divorce. I mean,
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I feel she's got every right todo it, oh, absolutely, But
getting divorced wouldn't be easy either.I don't think it really ever is.
They fought over custody of the baby, They fought over who would keep the
house, They fought over the finances. Alexandra pulled out some dirt that she
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had on Jelka in order to helpthe courts make a fully informed decision when
it came to the custody of herson. She let them know, you
know, about the tea from theOld Country that Jelka had brewed and given
her son. She even told themthat Jelka had a nasty habit of shoplifting,
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oh and had even been banned fromseveral stores in their area because of
this. Eh, well, gotthe sticky fingers yea. Well, between
that and the old world tea thatJelka had given the baby. All of
this stuff was, you know,not hearsay, because there was tangible proof
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of this right. The courts saidthat Alexandra would be given full custody of
the baby, She would get thehouse, and Joe was ordered to pay
six dollars a month or six dollarsno sorry, Joe was ordered to pay
six hundred dollars a month in childsupport, which, by the way,
is almost fourteen hundred dollars in today'smoney. Wow, that's a lot of
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money. Jelka lost her mind,you know what, It's her fault,
though she should not be mad atanybody but herself. It is not just
her fault, it is her son'sfault too, because he was like,
no, I picked my mommy overmy wife and my baby. Yeah that's
not true, because once you getmarried, that now becomes your immediate concern
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in family. Done. But yeah, so Jelka losing her mind over here.
She told Joe that Alexandra was justa gold digger and she only ever
married him because she wanted to rideoff into the sunset with all the family's
money and riches. Now the Pessex, they weren't poor, but they weren't
rich either. They were doing okay, they were doing really well for themselves,
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right. They were comfortable enough,they could afford groceries and lights all
at the same time. Yes,they were doing very well for themselves,
but they weren't rich by any means. Okay. The divorce was finalized in
November of nineteen ninety one, andnot long after the divorce, Alexandra started
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to think that she was being followedaround by a white car oh stalker.
She also received a book in themail that there was no return address on
it. This book was written bya guy named Neil Hall and it was
titled The Deaths of Cindy James.It was a nonfiction book about a lady
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that had had some weird and crazyharassment type things happened to her for a
while before her death, which,depending on who you talked to, it
was either due to suicide or murder. But I'm not going to go into
too much detail on that because thatis a case we will be covering soon.
Ish Okay, Okay. It alsohappened in Canada, by the way,
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if I remember correctly, it happenedin Canada too. Okay. Anyway,
So Alexandra gets this book from somesecret sender, and there were several
passages and parts in this book thathad been highlighted, parts that described some
of the harassment that Cindy James wasdealing with. Okay, now I'm just
going out on a limb and I'mmaking a guestimate on my part. But
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I'm thinking that the monster in lawhas something to do with this. But
that's just my opinion, because uh, I don't way, Well that's your
thought. We will we will soondiscover who is behind all this, so
just keep your thought in mind.You've cast your vote. Okay, you
are voting Jelka off the island.Okay, Well, I mean, even
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if she didn't do it specifically,she had something to do with it.
I'm just that's my opinion. Okay. Okay, so you're definitely voting Jelka
off the Island. Yes, gotchadone? Okay. There was one highlighted
part in particular that described Cidey James'syard being set on fire. Oh my
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god. And one night, Alexandraand one of her friends were just chilling
hanging out when they heard something outsideand they look out and bam, Alexander's
yard is totally on fire. Ohmy god. There was another time that
she was driving to her mom's houseand she noticed this white car following super
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close behind her. Again, Soshe gets to her mom's and she pulls
in the driveway and she starts goingin the house as quickly as she can.
But before she could get inside,she saw that this car parked behind
hers that way, you know,like she couldn't escape the driveway or whatever,
right, and this guy with agun gets out of this car and
starts running towards her. So shesuits, you know, speeds it up,
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steps it up, and runs intothe house and closes the door before
this guy can catch up to her. And part of the reason why this
would be gunman did not catch upto her is because he tripped and fell
because he's clumsy. I mean,I feel you brow me too. Yeah,
But then he got in his carand left because he fell and she
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was in the house and the doorwas closed and all that, so he
skidaddles on out of there. Well, she calls the cops, Like I
said, he was gone though bythe time the cops got there, right,
And there were other things highlighted inthis book that were starting to happen
to Alexandra. She's convinced, justlike you, that Jelka was behind all
of this, but she had noproof of that, so there wasn't really
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anything the cops could do, soshe did the next best thing. She
hired a private investigator. Heck,yeah, you go, I know.
On August fifth, nineteen ninety two, less than a year after the divorce
was finalized, Alexandra and a coworkerwere leaving the dental office that they worked
at. Alexandra had taken to askingfriends and family and coworkers to go everywhere
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with her. She was afraid tobe alone and figured that as long as
somebody was with her, nothing badwould happen to her, at least as
to what you hope, right.So they're getting into the car and her
friend leans down to readjust her gymbag in the floorboard or whatever, and
her friend heard some bangs and feltAlexandra slump against her. Then she heard
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a car speeding away. The coworkerran back inside the office to get help.
Alexandra was taken to the hospital.She had been shot in the shoulder
and she had been shot in thehead. Oh no, Unfortunately, there
was nothing the doctors could do,and she did not survive. Oh my
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god. The cops did have somegood information though, because there had been
at least thirty witnesses to the shootingof Alexandra Pessick Good, I'm very glad,
and they all said basically the samething. You know, they saw
a couple of guys in a redcar pull up, one of them got
out, shot Alexandra, then jumpback in the car and it took off.
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The cops did get a license platefrom at least one witness as well.
Sweet, very sweet. So theyrun their cop Google on that,
and it comes back that this carhad actually been reported stolen a couple of
days before. Of course, ofcourse, so they call up Joe,
the ex husband. You got tostart, you know, start with those
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exactly, and he said, no, he didn't have anything to do with
it. He'd been at the poolwith his son during the time of the
murder. Look, I even havethese receipts to show that, you know,
I had taken my son swimming.His son was I think three at
the time, or almost three,and his parents, you know, they
talked to his parents and his parentssaid, no, we've been at the
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shop all day working like we didn'thave anything to do with it either.
Keep Yeah, Well, after hearingabout Alexander's murder, her private investigator got
in touch with the police. Hegave them all the information he had been
gathering since he had been hired.He was able to confirm, you know,
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yeah, I know Joe was atthe pool with their kid, like
I had somebody tailing him that day. He was at the pool when this
happened, so he is doesn't meanhe's not involved, but so he's yeah,
so he's no longer a suspect inthe shooting. The investigator also was
able to confirm that his parents hadbeen at the shop that day because he
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had somebody tailing them, because he, like Alexandra, also thought that Jelka
was behind a lot of the harassmentand the followings and all of that going
on, right, So he hadsomebody tailing Joe, he had somebody tailing
the Pessex And he was like,no, they're alibis, they're all solid.
But I do have the license platenumber of the white car that had
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been following Alexandra before her murder.Okay, at the start, so the
cops run this license plate, andit comes back as belonging to a man
named Milan Nanatic. Mm hmmm.A couple of days later, the stolen
red car showed up in a McDonald'sparking lot. They of course got their
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crime scene tech guys to go throughit. They're able to find a usable
fingerprint and a hair in this car. They also found a witness that said
when the car had been left there, two guys were driving it. They
parked it, got out of it, got into a white car, and
zoomed on out of there. Okay, so they put two and two together.
They're like, hmm, Nanatic drivesa white car, and and that
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white car had been following her fora while. Yes, you know what,
let's see mm hmmm. They runthe prince against Nanatics because he had
his princes were on file. Hehad been convicted for something or other before
prior to this. Okay, andso they run the prince against his the
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prince that were in the stolen caror yeah, in the stolen car.
The princes that were in the stolencar didn't match Nanatic, So they're thinking,
well, maybe it wasn't his whitecar that they drove off in.
Oh, he doesn't own the onlywhite car in the area, right,
But if there were two men inthe red car room Drusche and it could
be the other guys well, theprince that they found in the red car.
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They did come back as a matchto another criminal named Lawrence Delormee.
Mm hmmm. So the cops putboth of these guys under twenty four to
seven surveillance. Okay, it's Augusttenth, and they noticed that Nanatic was
going to the Pessic home. Hegot into a car with Jelka, but
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when he got into the car withher, he laid down in the back
seat to kind of be hidden sonobody could see him in her car.
M h. They drive out tothe all, they got out separately.
They went inside separately. They wereinside for just a few minutes before coming
out separately, giving back into thecar separately, and he laid down in
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the back seat again. As theydrove back to the Passic home, very
suspicious exactly, Jelco went inside,Nanatak got in his car to leave,
and the cop said, you knowwhat, We're just gonna shoot our shot,
and they pulled Nanatic over. Okay, when they did thirty thousand dollars
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which is equivalent to about sixty sixthousand dollars today. Wow falls out of
his shorts. Oh my god.Shortly after this, a friend of the
Pessck family called the authorities and said, I was visiting the Pessis one day,
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not too long before Alexandra was killed, and Nanatik was there, like
he came over. He was therewhen I got there, and then he
left. And when he left,Jelka said, that's good. Then it'll
soon be over. Oh yeah,that's not creepy, right. So with
this information they arrest Jelka. Theysearch her house and they find the murder
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weapon. They also go and searchDelormea's house and they find a piece of
paper that had nanatics contact information onit. So they finally have a connection
between Jelka who's the mastermind, Nanaticwho's the middle guy. He supplied the
car, he supplied the weapon,and Delormee the getaway driver. Yep.
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What they didn't have yet though,was the shooter. Well, it's one
of the two guys that were inthe white car. Well, I hate
to burst your bubble, but isneither Oh oh, yes, yes,
one of the two guys in thewhite car. Yes, you are but
who's the second guy in the whitecar, because it's not Nanatic, and
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it's not the house, it's notDeLorme, and it's not the husband.
No, no, no no.When they were searching Delorme's house, they
also found the contact information of aguy named David Segoviano. M hm,
no, we're gonna pretend I nailedthat, you didn't go. They go
to talk to him, but hewasn't home, so they ended up talking
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to his roommate, and his roommatesaid, you know, yeah, he
recently got a haircut. Like,he recently cut his hair like, he
didn't go get a haircut, hejust did it here himself. Here,
here's some of the clippings from hishaircut. So the cops take those clippings
and they're able to compare those tothe hair that was found in the car,
and it was a match. Thereyou go. I see, they're
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just involving way too many people,just so they I know. So,
the cops talked to Segoviano's girlfriend andshe agrees to wear a wire, and
while she's wearing this wire, sheis able to get her boyfriend to confess
to not only being the shooter,but she was also able to get him
to implicate the other three people.Sweet. By August fifteenth, nineteen ninety
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two, just ten days after hermurder, all four people that were provably
involved had been arrested Good. Theyall went on trial in nineteen ninety three.
They were all convicted, and theywere all three given the maximum sentence
in Canada for murder, which istwenty five to life. Nice Joe was
never charged with a crime. Hisand Alexandra's son went to live with Alexandra's
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mom. In nineteen ninety eight.She filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Jelka
on his behalf Good in two thousandand three, when he was thirteen.
It was settled for three hundred andfifty thousand dollars, though part of that
did have to go towards the lawyer'sfees and the court fees and all of
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that. Absolutely, the rest ofit was given to a public trustee who
handled it until the sun turned nineteen. And that's my case. That's what
I got for you this week.What wow, that's I knew the monster
in law had something to do withit, because she just she was,
oh yeah, you voted her offthe island way back at the beginning,
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he was all up in their business. Yes, so she was just way
too involved in this couple's life tonot be involved unfortunately in her death.
Yeah. So yeah, that's that'sthat's crazy. Talk about a monster in
law, Like, I'm so gladmy mother in law loves me. Oh
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god, you know what I mean. I've got a good mother in law
too, so you know, yeah, wow, wow, Oh she's she's
a horrible, horrible person, andI hope she just rots in jail forever.
Yeah, that'd be nice. Wouldn'thelp all of them? Do I
did just a super quick Google searchto see if I had seen any of
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them get parrolled. I don't thinkI saw any of them get prolled because
I didn't write it down. Mmhmm. Okay, well that just means
they're still there and that's where theybelong and more good with it. So
I did see that Jelka had what'sthe word appealed. That's the word Jelka
had appealed to her conviction or hersentence or something like that, because she
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was like, I didn't kill her, it wasn't me association, and the
courts were like, nah, bra, you're the mastermind. We're not reducing
anything, are you kidding me?Lady? Exactly? If it wasn't for
her, this would have never happenedexactly. Yeah, no, yeah,
yeah, ugh. I hope nobodyever get some mother in law like that.
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Just oh that's gross. Gross.Don't be a mother in law like
that, y'all. No, it'snot that hard. No, no,
it's really not really not at all. Just saying just saying, well,
thank you for sharing. We knowthat the last couple episodes have been kind
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of short, but you know,with everything going on, you know,
at least you're getting something right.Well, I figure we could do the
shorter ones around this time of year, because you know, people are busy
and they don't really have time tolisten to everything right now. And if
they want to listen, they've gotsomething. But if they want to save
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it, it's not going to takethem three weeks to get caught back up,
because our episodes are you know,eight hundred hours long. Very true,
very true. You're you're a genius, you're a mastermind yourself. Look
at that. You know what,I don't know that I like the title
mastermind. After this particular episode,can we think of something else we'll think
of something else, yes, Okay, So thanks you guys for joining us
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again this week, and we knowthe holidays are very fast approaching, so
hopefully you're getting all your shopping doneand wrapping and whatever it is you need
to do. And anyway, Iguess until next time, guys, I
have a good one. Okay,bye bye,
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We're there. Yes, So anyway, what's in your mug today?
Well, in my mug, Idid go back to my box olpods,
like I said I was going toand I grabbed one thinking that the darker
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colored cups were all pumpkin spice andI was like, I just gotta do
it. But the one that Igrabbed is by Crazy Cups and it's cinnamon
French toast. I like French toast. I like cinnamon apparently, so you
can kind of taste of cinnamon.It's not real strong, but this stuff
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reminds me of the cereal that youcan get. It's so good and smooth
and just the aroma of the cinnamon. But you can smell the French toast
too, you know. It's it'sreally really good and I am really really
enjoying this nice Yes, So whatis in your mud today? I got
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my delivery from Bones Coffee Company ofthe cake cups that I ordered, so
I have frankin Bones, which isthe chocolate hazelnut is one of their fall
that when I ordered. When Iwent to order some, they didn't have
any in the bags, but Idid find a box with the CA Cups.
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I ordered two boxes, so yeah, I'm drinking chocolate hazel nut.
It tastes like one of the littlefor Rare rare real Share Jays things.
Oh my gosh, it's so delicious. I love those things. That's my
son's favorite candy. Oh yeah,yeah, you have a sister that's her
favorite candy too. And I cantell you it's funny because I'm not a
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big fan of like the hazel nutcreamer. You neither, but that stuff.
Oh yeah, I am all aboutit. Me too, Me too.
Yeah, I'm kind of jealous rightnow. You know what, when
I come, when I come downfor Christmas, I'll bring you a couple
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of these CA cups. Okay,even though this cinnamon French toast is delicious,
I'm kind of jealous of yours.I'll share a couple of my friends
and bones CA Cups with you.Okay, all right? Because I did
get two boxes, there you go, because you knew you were going to
have to share. Yeah, we'llgo with that. So I have a
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case for us this week. Allright, do you have your passport?
Oh, let's go. Can't Isay no and still get to go?
No? Because they'll probably search theback end of the jeep when we try
to cross the border over into Canada. Okay, all right, well got
my bassport then yeah, so Ican't seek you in the in the in
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the suitcase. They'll they'll probably searchme when I'm crossing the border. So
we're going to Vancouver, Canada,Oh all right, and we're gonna go
in the kind of back machine.We're going back to the nineteen eighties.
Oh wow, yeah, in theearly nineteen nineties. So it's funny,
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you know we say kind of backmachine, you know, because we don't
think it's that far ago, buta lot of people nowadays would go,
oh my god, that's so longago, you know, because they weren't
born until two thousand or something.You know what, we're not talking about
the kids that call me old.It's fine. I know, it's yeah,
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it's killed, it's killed. Fine, it's cult, it's fine.
So we're gonna talk about Alexandra hAlexandra she was the child of a working
class Yugoslavian immigrants who lived in asuburb of Vancouver, Canada. She was
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a former beauty queen and she hadeven competed in Miss Canada in nineteen eighty
five. Oh sweet. She wastall, beautiful, blonde, and had
what one of her friends described asa wicked sense of humor. Ugh,
oh, I like her already.When she was twenty, she got a
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job as a dental assistant and sheloved to spend time with her mom.
And one of the hobbies that thesetwo women had was they would go to
open houses together just for funzies.Which I'm starting to think this sounds like
a hobby I need to pick upbecause I am nosy as all get out,
and I would love to go intoa stranger's home and see how they
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have their house set up and justpoke my nose in all their closets and
cabinets and everything and see what they'vegot. Yes, and see how they
have it set up. So maybeyou can get some not decorating, but
ideas on how to put your furnitureand stuff like that. I'm about it.
I say, we did we startdoing it? You think this needs
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to be a new hobby for sure? Yes, maybe we should do that
once a month on a weekend orsomething. Yeah. Like you know,
Oh, I love the way theyhave this room set up, but I
would change this or that, andI would have never thought that you could
decorate with this or that or youknow, oh yeah, yeah, you
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know what. Why have we neverdone this? We are nosy. I'm
still this idea because I love it, love it well. She and her
mom were at one of these openhouses and they were speaking in their native
tongue when another woman approached them,all excited because she too was a Yugoslavian
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immigrant. Oh sweet. They hitit off immediately, and when Alexandra mentioned
that she had a little automotive workor she had a little bit of work
that needed to be done to hercar, this woman, whose name was
Jelka Pessick, said that she andher husband owned a car shop and Alexander
should totally use them to fix hercar. Yes, yes, and that's
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exactly what Alexandra did. Nice.So she goes and she takes her car
in to the Pessex's automotive shop,and that's where she met Jelka's son,
twenty seven year old Joe Pesseick.And just like in the Fairy Tales and
in so many episodes that we've covered, it was love at first sight with
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these two. Install love I loveit. Yes, Joe would take Alexandra
to the finest restaurants around town.He always brought flowers to her. He
would take her for rides on hismotorcycle all the time. A month after
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dating, he proposed that definitely isinstill love right there, Uh for sure,
because Alexandra said, uh, ah'sa freakin' lute ly heck, yeah,
who doesn't want to get married?And everyone was super happy for the
couple. That's awesome. Well,then things got a little bit janky.
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Uh oh, Helka. Jelka startedpushing her opinions and thoughts on the couple,
from who should be invited to thewedding to what dress Alexandra should wear
for the wedding. Alexandra started tohave second thoughts about marrying Joe, but
she went ahead with it anyway,thinking, you know, once we're married
and we're living together, Jelka willkind of butt out a little bit,
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right right, back off a littlebit, my mother in law. Yeah,
right, So they got married onJune eleventh of nineteen eighty eight,
but Jelka didn't let up after thewedding. Oh God, come out,
walman, it's not your life anymore. The man is married exactly basically,
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Jelka wanted to control everything that thecouple did, from what they spent their
money on to even where they shouldlive. Alexandra, like you, felt
that she and Joe were grown upsand they could do what they wanted and
they should be able to make theirown decisions without Jelka saying, no,
this is what you need to do. No, this is what you have
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to do. This, this iswhat you should this is what you're gonna
do now. No. See,I mean I've got my opinions and you
know, I would like you todo this, or I would like you
to do that, but you're grownand you do what you want to do.
Yeah, you're not paying my Williams. I am so back off exactly
exactly. You're not gonna question myWilliams. Come on, I set you
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up for that joke perfectly. Okay, let's try that again. You're not
paying my Williams. It don't matterWilliams. Uh yeah, it's like bills.
But they're grown up that I havegrown up bills, so they're Williams.
They're not bills. Yeah, yes, okay, gotcha. Anyway,
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one day, though, Jelka madethe newly one day, Jelka made the
newlyweds an offer they couldn't refuse,though uh oh, she and her husband
would give them. This big checkcould change for a down payment on a
house that was close to their ownhome. I don't know, though,
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you know, I don't. Ilove my family. Okay, not gonna
lie. But the closest one Iguess would be my mother, and she's
thirty five minutes away. So I'mgood with that. I don't want to
live within five minutes because if Idon't want you to come over, or
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if I don't want to come toyour house, you can't make me.
Well, I'm just gonna say,my mother lives about two hours away from
me, and my mother in lawlives about an hour and a half away
from me. And you know,so one day so that the couple took
this offer, they moved into thishome. They bought this home and Joel,
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but the fights didn't stop. Alexandrawere even arguing over whether or not
a backsplash should be installed in thekitchen. You know what, this is
my house. Let me paint itif I want, Let me do whatever
I want. Don't no, thisis my house. You do your house,
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I'll do mine. These these arethe things that Alexandra was fighting with
Joko over all the time. Ohmy god, yeah, oh no.
At the end of nineteen eighty nine, after a year and a half or
so of marriage, Alexandra and Joeannounced to their families that they were expecting
a baby. Oh well, Imean, that's very exciting for them,
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but I'm afraid that the mother inlaw is gonna want to name the baby.
No, no, get over yourself. They've made this thing. Let
them name it what they want.I'm just saying, wow, oh my
godness, you're killing me. Soafter the birth of their son in nineteen
ninety, things didn't calm down betweenAlexandra and her monster in law. Everything
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came everything came to a head onenight when Joe and Alexandra had made plans
to go out on a date night. It'd been a while. They're gonna
go out, just the two ofthem. Jelka's gonna watch their little boy.
He's a baby, a little baby, little baby boy. And Alexandra
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told Jelka, you know, hey, here's the bottles that I've mixed up
for him. Here's his feeding schedule, here's when he needs the next one.
Blah blah, blah blah blah,and Jelka goes, you know,
I think I'm gonna make him atea from the Old Country that we use
back in the Old Country to helpbabies sleep, so he'll sleep really well
while you're not here. Okay,but but he's a baby. Don't give
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him tea. I mean I gaveyou till all y'all were at least a
year old before I gave you coffee. I'm just saying you didn't with my
daughter, well, I mean shewas close to a year old. Is
that child was drinking cut bottles ofcoffee at six months old? Woman?
See, I said she was almosta year ish. Sea did stunt her
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growth. It did my bad.So sure, he's so tiny, that
little munchkin. Oh my goodness.Anyway, we are so getting off topic
here. So Jeka is saying,you know, hey, I should make
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this tea for him so he willsleep really well tonight. And Alexander is
like a woman, you absolutely bestnot make that tea for my kid and
give it to him, because ifso, we're gonna fight, like for
real, for real fight. Yeah, and I'm a win. Yeah,
okay, you tell her. Sothey left and when they returned, learned
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Alexander found that her son was sleepingrather soundly, nice so soundly that she
wasn't able to wake him up.Oh no, oh no. So she's
kind of freaking out a little bit. And Jelka admitted to her that she
had made and given him the teafrom the Old Country anyway. Hmmm.
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Alexandra freaked out because not only couldshe not wake up her baby, she
could hardly feel a pulse. Ohmy god. Ugh. So she takes
him to the hospital. They,you know, they kept him, did
what they could, assured her,you know, he would wake up,
he would be fine, blah blahblah. Everything's okay. The baby was
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okay, thank goodness. But uh, this monster in law bit you better
step on. Yeah. This wasthe last straw for Alexandra. She packed
up her stuff, and she packedup her son's stuff, and she went
to her mother's. She told Joehe had a choice to make. He
could either stand up to his motherand they could move back home and become
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a family, or she would filefor divorce. And they were totally and
completely over, like one hundred percentdone. I get it, I totally
get it. She said she wouldno longer allow herself to come after his
mother, and she absolutely refused tolet her son grow up in that type
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of environment. Got you, I'mbehind you all the way. Well,
Joe ended up making the choice thatshe or ended up not making the choice
that she was hoping he would make. Oh so yeah, So, just
two short years into her marriage,Alexandra files for divorce. I mean,
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I feel she's got every right todo it, oh, absolutely, But
getting divorced wouldn't be easy either.I don't think it really ever is.
They fought over custody of the baby, They fought over who would keep the
house, They fought over the finances. Alexandra pulled out some dirt that she
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had on Jelka in order to helpthe courts make a fully informed decision when
it came to the custody of herson. She let them know, you
know, about the tea from theOld Country that Jelka had brewed and given
her son. She even told themthat Jelka had a nasty habit of shoplifting,
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oh and had even been banned fromseveral stores in their area because of
this. Eh, well, gotthe sticky fingers yea. Well, between
that and the old world tea thatJelka had given the baby. All of
this stuff was, you know,not hearsay, because there was tangible proof
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of this right. The courts saidthat Alexandra would be given full custody of
the baby, She would get thehouse, and Joe was ordered to pay
six dollars a month or six dollarsno sorry, Joe was ordered to pay
six hundred dollars a month in childsupport, which, by the way,
is almost fourteen hundred dollars in today'smoney. Wow, that's a lot of
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money. Jelka lost her mind,you know what, It's her fault,
though she should not be mad atanybody but herself. It is not just
her fault, it is her son'sfault too, because he was like,
no, I picked my mommy overmy wife and my baby. Yeah that's
not true, because once you getmarried, that now becomes your immediate concern
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in family. Done. But yeah, so Jelka losing her mind over here.
She told Joe that Alexandra was justa gold digger and she only ever
married him because she wanted to rideoff into the sunset with all the family's
money and riches. Now the Pessex, they weren't poor, but they weren't
rich either. They were doing okay, they were doing really well for themselves,
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right. They were comfortable enough,they could afford groceries and lights all
at the same time. Yes,they were doing very well for themselves,
but they weren't rich by any means. Okay. The divorce was finalized in
November of nineteen ninety one, andnot long after the divorce, Alexandra started
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to think that she was being followedaround by a white car oh stalker.
She also received a book in themail that there was no return address on
it. This book was written bya guy named Neil Hall and it was
titled The Deaths of Cindy James.It was a nonfiction book about a lady
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that had had some weird and crazyharassment type things happened to her for a
while before her death, which,depending on who you talked to, it
was either due to suicide or murder. But I'm not going to go into
too much detail on that because thatis a case we will be covering soon.
Ish Okay, Okay. It alsohappened in Canada, by the way,
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if I remember correctly, it happenedin Canada too. Okay. Anyway,
So Alexandra gets this book from somesecret sender, and there were several
passages and parts in this book thathad been highlighted, parts that described some
of the harassment that Cindy James wasdealing with. Okay, now I'm just
going out on a limb and I'mmaking a guestimate on my part. But
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I'm thinking that the monster in lawhas something to do with this. But
that's just my opinion, because uh, I don't way, Well that's your
thought. We will we will soondiscover who is behind all this, so
just keep your thought in mind.You've cast your vote. Okay, you
are voting Jelka off the island.Okay, Well, I mean, even
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if she didn't do it specifically,she had something to do with it.
I'm just that's my opinion. Okay. Okay, so you're definitely voting Jelka
off the Island. Yes, gotchadone? Okay. There was one highlighted
part in particular that described Cidey James'syard being set on fire. Oh my
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god. And one night, Alexandraand one of her friends were just chilling
hanging out when they heard something outsideand they look out and bam, Alexander's
yard is totally on fire. Ohmy god. There was another time that
she was driving to her mom's houseand she noticed this white car following super
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close behind her. Again, Soshe gets to her mom's and she pulls
in the driveway and she starts goingin the house as quickly as she can.
But before she could get inside,she saw that this car parked behind
hers that way, you know,like she couldn't escape the driveway or whatever,
right, and this guy with agun gets out of this car and
starts running towards her. So shesuits, you know, speeds it up,
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steps it up, and runs intothe house and closes the door before
this guy can catch up to her. And part of the reason why this
would be gunman did not catch upto her is because he tripped and fell
because he's clumsy. I mean,I feel you brow me too. Yeah,
But then he got in his carand left because he fell and she
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was in the house and the doorwas closed and all that, so he
skidaddles on out of there. Well, she calls the cops, Like I
said, he was gone though bythe time the cops got there, right,
And there were other things highlighted inthis book that were starting to happen
to Alexandra. She's convinced, justlike you, that Jelka was behind all
of this, but she had noproof of that, so there wasn't really
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anything the cops could do, soshe did the next best thing. She
hired a private investigator. Heck,yeah, you go, I know.
On August fifth, nineteen ninety two, less than a year after the divorce
was finalized, Alexandra and a coworkerwere leaving the dental office that they worked
at. Alexandra had taken to askingfriends and family and coworkers to go everywhere
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with her. She was afraid tobe alone and figured that as long as
somebody was with her, nothing badwould happen to her, at least as
to what you hope, right.So they're getting into the car and her
friend leans down to readjust her gymbag in the floorboard or whatever, and
her friend heard some bangs and feltAlexandra slump against her. Then she heard
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a car speeding away. The coworkerran back inside the office to get help.
Alexandra was taken to the hospital.She had been shot in the shoulder
and she had been shot in thehead. Oh no, Unfortunately, there
was nothing the doctors could do,and she did not survive. Oh my
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god. The cops did have somegood information though, because there had been
at least thirty witnesses to the shootingof Alexandra Pessick Good, I'm very glad,
and they all said basically the samething. You know, they saw
a couple of guys in a redcar pull up, one of them got
out, shot Alexandra, then jumpback in the car and it took off.
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The cops did get a license platefrom at least one witness as well.
Sweet, very sweet. So theyrun their cop Google on that,
and it comes back that this carhad actually been reported stolen a couple of
days before. Of course, ofcourse, so they call up Joe,
the ex husband. You got tostart, you know, start with those
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exactly, and he said, no, he didn't have anything to do with
it. He'd been at the poolwith his son during the time of the
murder. Look, I even havethese receipts to show that, you know,
I had taken my son swimming.His son was I think three at
the time, or almost three,and his parents, you know, they
talked to his parents and his parentssaid, no, we've been at the
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shop all day working like we didn'thave anything to do with it either.
Keep Yeah, Well, after hearingabout Alexander's murder, her private investigator got
in touch with the police. Hegave them all the information he had been
gathering since he had been hired.He was able to confirm, you know,
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yeah, I know Joe was atthe pool with their kid, like
I had somebody tailing him that day. He was at the pool when this
happened, so he is doesn't meanhe's not involved, but so he's yeah,
so he's no longer a suspect inthe shooting. The investigator also was
able to confirm that his parents hadbeen at the shop that day because he
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had somebody tailing them, because he, like Alexandra, also thought that Jelka
was behind a lot of the harassmentand the followings and all of that going
on, right, So he hadsomebody tailing Joe, he had somebody tailing
the Pessex And he was like,no, they're alibis, they're all solid.
But I do have the license platenumber of the white car that had
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been following Alexandra before her murder.Okay, at the start, so the
cops run this license plate, andit comes back as belonging to a man
named Milan Nanatic. Mm hmmm.A couple of days later, the stolen
red car showed up in a McDonald'sparking lot. They of course got their
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crime scene tech guys to go throughit. They're able to find a usable
fingerprint and a hair in this car. They also found a witness that said
when the car had been left there, two guys were driving it. They
parked it, got out of it, got into a white car, and
zoomed on out of there. Okay, so they put two and two together.
They're like, hmm, Nanatic drivesa white car, and and that
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white car had been following her fora while. Yes, you know what,
let's see mm hmmm. They runthe prince against Nanatics because he had
his princes were on file. Hehad been convicted for something or other before
prior to this. Okay, andso they run the prince against his the
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prince that were in the stolen caror yeah, in the stolen car.
The princes that were in the stolencar didn't match Nanatic, So they're thinking,
well, maybe it wasn't his whitecar that they drove off in.
Oh, he doesn't own the onlywhite car in the area, right,
But if there were two men inthe red car room Drusche and it could
be the other guys well, theprince that they found in the red car.
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They did come back as a matchto another criminal named Lawrence Delormee.
Mm hmmm. So the cops putboth of these guys under twenty four to
seven surveillance. Okay, it's Augusttenth, and they noticed that Nanatic was
going to the Pessic home. Hegot into a car with Jelka, but
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when he got into the car withher, he laid down in the back
seat to kind of be hidden sonobody could see him in her car.
M h. They drive out tothe all, they got out separately.
They went inside separately. They wereinside for just a few minutes before coming
out separately, giving back into thecar separately, and he laid down in
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the back seat again. As theydrove back to the Passic home, very
suspicious exactly, Jelco went inside,Nanatak got in his car to leave,
and the cop said, you knowwhat, We're just gonna shoot our shot,
and they pulled Nanatic over. Okay, when they did thirty thousand dollars
(28:34):
which is equivalent to about sixty sixthousand dollars today. Wow falls out of
his shorts. Oh my god.Shortly after this, a friend of the
Pessck family called the authorities and said, I was visiting the Pessis one day,
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not too long before Alexandra was killed, and Nanatik was there, like
he came over. He was therewhen I got there, and then he
left. And when he left,Jelka said, that's good. Then it'll
soon be over. Oh yeah,that's not creepy, right. So with
this information they arrest Jelka. Theysearch her house and they find the murder
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weapon. They also go and searchDelormea's house and they find a piece of
paper that had nanatics contact information onit. So they finally have a connection
between Jelka who's the mastermind, Nanaticwho's the middle guy. He supplied the
car, he supplied the weapon,and Delormee the getaway driver. Yep.
(29:44):
What they didn't have yet though,was the shooter. Well, it's one
of the two guys that were inthe white car. Well, I hate
to burst your bubble, but isneither Oh oh, yes, yes,
one of the two guys in thewhite car. Yes, you are but
who's the second guy in the whitecar, because it's not Nanatic, and
(30:06):
it's not the house, it's notDeLorme, and it's not the husband.
No, no, no no.When they were searching Delorme's house, they
also found the contact information of aguy named David Segoviano. M hm,
no, we're gonna pretend I nailedthat, you didn't go. They go
to talk to him, but hewasn't home, so they ended up talking
(30:27):
to his roommate, and his roommatesaid, you know, yeah, he
recently got a haircut. Like,he recently cut his hair like, he
didn't go get a haircut, hejust did it here himself. Here,
here's some of the clippings from hishaircut. So the cops take those clippings
and they're able to compare those tothe hair that was found in the car,
and it was a match. Thereyou go. I see, they're
(30:49):
just involving way too many people,just so they I know. So,
the cops talked to Segoviano's girlfriend andshe agrees to wear a wire, and
while she's wearing this wire, sheis able to get her boyfriend to confess
to not only being the shooter,but she was also able to get him
to implicate the other three people.Sweet. By August fifteenth, nineteen ninety
(31:18):
two, just ten days after hermurder, all four people that were provably
involved had been arrested Good. Theyall went on trial in nineteen ninety three.
They were all convicted, and theywere all three given the maximum sentence
in Canada for murder, which istwenty five to life. Nice Joe was
never charged with a crime. Hisand Alexandra's son went to live with Alexandra's
(31:45):
mom. In nineteen ninety eight.She filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Jelka
on his behalf Good in two thousandand three, when he was thirteen.
It was settled for three hundred andfifty thousand dollars, though part of that
did have to go towards the lawyer'sfees and the court fees and all of
(32:05):
that. Absolutely, the rest ofit was given to a public trustee who
handled it until the sun turned nineteen. And that's my case. That's what
I got for you this week.What wow, that's I knew the monster
in law had something to do withit, because she just she was,
oh yeah, you voted her offthe island way back at the beginning,
(32:25):
he was all up in their business. Yes, so she was just way
too involved in this couple's life tonot be involved unfortunately in her death.
Yeah. So yeah, that's that'sthat's crazy. Talk about a monster in
law, Like, I'm so gladmy mother in law loves me. Oh
(32:49):
god, you know what I mean. I've got a good mother in law
too, so you know, yeah, wow, wow, Oh she's she's
a horrible, horrible person, andI hope she just rots in jail forever.
Yeah, that'd be nice. Wouldn'thelp all of them? Do I
did just a super quick Google searchto see if I had seen any of
(33:12):
them get parrolled. I don't thinkI saw any of them get prolled because
I didn't write it down. Mmhmm. Okay, well that just means
they're still there and that's where theybelong and more good with it. So
I did see that Jelka had what'sthe word appealed. That's the word Jelka
had appealed to her conviction or hersentence or something like that, because she
(33:37):
was like, I didn't kill her, it wasn't me association, and the
courts were like, nah, bra, you're the mastermind. We're not reducing
anything, are you kidding me?Lady? Exactly? If it wasn't for
her, this would have never happenedexactly. Yeah, no, yeah,
yeah, ugh. I hope nobodyever get some mother in law like that.
(34:01):
Just oh that's gross. Gross.Don't be a mother in law like
that, y'all. No, it'snot that hard. No, no,
it's really not really not at all. Just saying just saying, well,
thank you for sharing. We knowthat the last couple episodes have been kind
(34:22):
of short, but you know,with everything going on, you know,
at least you're getting something right.Well, I figure we could do the
shorter ones around this time of year, because you know, people are busy
and they don't really have time tolisten to everything right now. And if
they want to listen, they've gotsomething. But if they want to save
(34:43):
it, it's not going to takethem three weeks to get caught back up,
because our episodes are you know,eight hundred hours long. Very true,
very true. You're you're a genius, you're a mastermind yourself. Look
at that. You know what,I don't know that I like the title
mastermind. After this particular episode,can we think of something else we'll think
of something else, yes, Okay, So thanks you guys for joining us
(35:07):
again this week, and we knowthe holidays are very fast approaching, so
hopefully you're getting all your shopping doneand wrapping and whatever it is you need
to do. And anyway, Iguess until next time, guys, I
have a good one. Okay,bye bye,
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