August 30, 2023 • 37 mins
It was mid August of 1996 when Jeffrey Wolfe and his new girlfriend took off on a road trip that would start out as a business trip and turn into a mini vacation on their way back. They left the Houston, Texas area and drove towards Moss Point, Mississippi to meet Gary Simmons and Timothy Milano for this particular meeting. Not long after arriving at Simmons' home, however, Jeffrey would be dead and his girlfriend would be fighting for her life.
Sources for this episode:
Casetext - Simmons v. Epps
Murderpedia - Gary Carl Simmons
Gulf Live - Gruesome murder, rape case recalled: Gary 'The Butcher' Simmons scheduled to be executed June 20
Caselaw - Milano v. State
UPI - Texas man found dismembered in Miss.
Find A Grave - Jeffrey Lee Wolfe
Wikipedia - Moss Point, MississippiSupport the show
Sources for this episode:
Casetext - Simmons v. Epps
Murderpedia - Gary Carl Simmons
Gulf Live - Gruesome murder, rape case recalled: Gary 'The Butcher' Simmons scheduled to be executed June 20
Caselaw - Milano v. State
UPI - Texas man found dismembered in Miss.
Find A Grave - Jeffrey Lee Wolfe
Wikipedia - Moss Point, MississippiSupport the show
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Welcome to Crime on My Coffee.This podcast contains graphic descriptions and adult content
mature audiences only. Please Hi,y'all, and welcome to Crime with My
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Coffee. I'm your fabulous hostess withthe Mostess June, and I'm Suzanne.
We're gonna tell you some stories you'veheard, some of you haven't, and
some you'll wish you hadn't, allwith a Texas twang. Well, welcome
back, guys, Welcome back.Glad you could join us, absolutely And
if you're here for the first time, we got plenty to choose from him,
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go back, pick one and juststart listening. And this is we're
recording before we go to Austin In, but this isn't really still after we
come back from Austin. So I'mjust gonna go out on a Limb's Day.
We had a great time in Austin, such a blast. Can't wait
to do it again next year.I can't wait to find out where they
have it next year. And ifyou guys came by and said hi to
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us, hello again, best friend? Yes, yes, so nice to
meet everyone. Okay, I can'twait till it really happens, though,
you know, I'm so excited.We are close. It's been a week
away a most time. Yeah,it's just down to days, so we're
very excited. Have you packed yet? No, but I was thinking about
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going ahead and packing like today,tomorrow, something like that. That way
I have it all done and thenI don't have to worry about it.
Have you. I haven't packed,which is not normal for me. But
I have made the list of whatto pack. Okay, Okay, I'm
kind of setting everything that I wantto pack to get other so I don't
forget. So, I mean,I already got it down in my head
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what I'm taking, what I needto take, what I'm gonna take.
I think the only thing that Iactually need to pick up that I don't
already have here is Kendy Kendy KendyKendy Kendy Kendy. Yeah. I haven't
picked up in a candy either now. No, but I did notice that
the store they're already starting to putout Halloween. I'm like, okay,
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that helps me out a lot.I know. I thought, the same
thing. Okay, so what's inyour mug? In my mug, I
actually went to my boxo pods,box of pods, box of pods.
Yes, and I have Harry andDavid coffee. It's the butterscotch caramel.
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Oh my goodness. Now, Itook a sip of this. I don't
drink black coffee, but I tooka sip because it smelt so good.
It's got like a rich smell aboutit. You can smell the butterscotch and
kind of smell the caramel, eventhough they're to me, they're very close
in the same, but you canyou can smell it. So I was
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like, oh, let me trythis black, which I don't drink.
But I tasted it, and Iwas like, you know, if I
could drink black coffee, I coulddrink this without any creamer or whatsoever.
But I did put just the tiniestsplash of creamer in it, which I
feel I did the French vanilla creamer. I feel that it actually helped boost
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both the flavors of the caramel andthe butterscotch. It is really coffee.
Yes, what do you have inyour mug? I don't have a mug.
I have a bottle because it's hotstill. It is it's August in
Texas and I am but I amdrinking the dunkin Donuts iced coffee. You
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can find it at your bitty daygas station, convenient store, grocery store,
wherever. Just the original flavor.Nothing fancy in it, nothing okay,
nothing to fanancy about it. It'sjust it's creamy and it's lightly sweet
and it's good and it's caffeine andit's not hot. So yes, I
do want to say I went tothe store. I can't remember what store
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it was, what I was pickingup or whatever, but I went by
where they sell the coffee drinks andstuff like that, and I want to
say that it was that brand,and they had like a Snickers flavor.
I did buy a Snickers flavor something, or maybe it was Twicks. I
think about the Twicks flavor. Iseen Twicks and Snickers and I was like,
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you know, I might have topick these up just to try.
So I've had the Twigs one.I tried it here right on the podcast.
I didn't try the Snickers one.But I do know that the Duncan
iced coffee, the ones that I'mdrinking now, yes, they do.
Sometimes you can find them with athin mint flavor. Oh, I would
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love a ten minute I love those. I haven't I don't have any I
haven't seen them in a little bit, but hopefully I will start seeing them
again soon. Nice. Nice,nice. So I'm excited, all right,
Well, enough about us, andenough about our coffee. We're here
for a case, yes, yes, and boy have I got a case
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for you? Oh? Yes,exciting. We are going to go to
Moss Point, Mississippi. Sounds interesting. In nineteen ninety, the population was
about eighteen thousand, and in twothousand the population was about the same.
Okay, I think it only changedby like one hundred and fifty people or
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something. Nice, it was prettyclose to the same. One person that
I wanted to mention from Moss Point, Mississippi is the is John Brock,
the CE of Coca Cola. Wow. Awesome. Not that I drink a
lot of coke, but you knownow, but I do like the Coke
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zero better than any of it,diet coke, any of it. Okay.
I don't really drink SODA's so well, I don't either, but when
I do, I don't mind Cokezero. I do like a Barx root
beer, though I love Mason rootBeer. I bought a twelfth pack of
Barx root Beer a couple of monthsago. They're still sitting in the kitchen
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because I don't drink them very often. I get I get it. I
don't drink soda often either, butwhat I want one, it's there in
my kitchen. So anyway, okay, back to the case. Yes,
yes, we're getting sidetracks. It'sterrible. It's the heat. So we're
gonna talk about Jeffrey Wolf. Hewas born November twenty ninth, nineteen seventy
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four, and he lived in Conrowor Houston. I kind of read both
here in Texas. Conro is thesuburb of Houston, so he could have
actually been from Conrow and lived inConro, but everybody just says Houston because
it's, you know, right nextto Houston. Yes, yes it is,
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so it could be either way,but I read both. Wanted to
mention both. He had recently metLynn. He was twenty one, she
was eighteen, and they had starteddating. Like when I say recently,
I mean within the past couple ofweeks or so of our case here,
Okay, he brought her home tomeet dad. Dad was like, all
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right, cool. Oh, bythe way, Lynn is not her real
name. Just for the record,Lynn isn't her real name. It's fine,
We'll go with Lynn. I liketo name Limb. We're okay.
So he decided to take her withhim on a business trip two moss Point.
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Nice. They were going to stopin New Orleans on the way back
for a short vacation. Heck yeah. And when they left, Lynn said
that she had about two hundred dollarsor so in her purse for this trip,
and Jeff had about twelve hundred dollarswith him Nice, along with a
handgun that he reportedly always carried withhim, even though she said she never
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personally saw it. Okay, youcross the state lines. You're going on
a business trip. I get it. Bro Oh yeah, I understand it.
Well, this business trip was actuallyinitiated when Jeff had gotten a note
from this guy named Gary Simmons,he was about thirty two thirty three that
said, you know, hey,I you know, it's it's time for
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you to come see me down herein Moss Point. Now, what kind
of business is this? Do weknow what kind of business he was in?
Well, I'm glad you asked,because we are. That is the
next sentence that was about to comeout of my mouth. I was gonna
tell you see Jeff was a marijuanadealer, and he would either personally or
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have some underling of his take abatch of weed to Simmons on consignment,
and then Simmons would sell it orhave his ex brother in law Timothy Milano,
who was about nineteen or so,sell it, and then Simmons would
get the money to Jeff. Okay, so Jeff's So Jeff was going to
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go down there and he was goingto get the money that Simmons owed him
for the last consignment bit, whichwas supposed to be somewhere between twelve thousand
and twenty thousand dollars. Wow,that's a good chunk of change. That's
kind of what I'm thinking. Arewe in the wrong business here? I'm
thinking we might be anyway. SoLynn and Jeff head out of the Houston
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area about four o'clock or so onthe afternoon of August ele eleventh, nineteen
ninety six, and they got toPascagoula. I think, is how you
say it in the early I thinkyou nailed it, and it sounds great
in the early morning hours of Augusttwelfth. Now, Pascagoula is like the
bigger town next to Moss Point,okay, which which is not very big
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because I've never heard of either oneof these neither. It's about a seven
hour drive straight through, no stops, from Houston to Pascagoula. Okay.
So they get to their motel,they get checked in, they go in
and they're like, okay, goodnight, and they go to sleep for
a bit. Okay. So Jeffwoke up a little bit later and he
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let Lynn sleep while he went togo see Dave Milano. Dave is not
his real name either, by theway. Okay, that's fine. So
Dave is Timothy's brother, and hehad met Jeff several weeks prior to this
on another business trip of Jeff's tothe area, and Dave worked at a
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local tire shop, and he andJeff had talked about Jeff getting some tires
and wheels while he was in townthe next time. And so he went
down there to this tire shop toget all the details and all that ironed
out and stuff. I'm assuming that'swhat he brought the twelve hundred dollars for,
you know, the a little bitfor the room, get the tires
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and wheels, and he's going touse his money he gets from Simmons over
here to a spin in New Orleans. I'm just saying that's what I would
do. Oh yeah, it soundslike a plan for me too. So
Dave gets off work a little bitlater, and then he and Jeff and
Lynn and Dave's fiance all go outtogether to dinner. They had a great
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time. Jeff said afterwards that theywere going to go to Simmons's house,
and the fiance was adamant that shedid not want Dave going see. Gary
Simmons was the ex brother in lawof Timothy and Dave Milano. He had
been married to their sister, hada couple of kids with her, but
he wasn't married to her anymore,and the fiance was like, dude,
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I really don't want you going overthere. I really really don't. And
Dave was like, oh my gosh, woman, this is something I do
all the time. I got yeah, I got this. Yeah. So
they finished eating dinner and the coupleswent their separate ways. Jeff and Lynne
went by Gary's house over here,but no one was home, so they
stopped and picked up a couple ofthings from a gas station and went back
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to the room they were chilling therefor a little bit, and they're like,
all right, let's go kill sometime. So they go down to
the local walmart kill a little timethere, drive back by Gary's house.
Again, nobody's home, so theygo back to the hotel room. And
this was I don't know, probablysomewhere between ten and eleven or so.
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Okay, Well, shortly before midnight, Dave goes over to Simmons's house and
Simmons and his brother Milano are there, and he was like, hey,
yeah, I went to dinner withJeff and Lynn and we had a good
time. And he said he wasgonna come by here, but I'm guessing
he did and you'll weren't here orsomething. And Gary was like, oh,
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yeah, that's that's totally what happened. We weren't here since you went
out with him. Why don't yougive him a call let him know I'm
home and he can come on overat midnight. Don't call me at midnight
because I am sleeping. Well,they didn't get in until probably four or
five in the morning. Oh yeah, nope, I'm definitely asleep. So
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they'd been sleeping all day, sothey've only been up a few hours.
I don't know. Pause, they'retwenty. Yeah, well okay, never
mind, never mind, you arecorrect. Plus they're twenty, so there's
that. Keep that in mind,got you. So Dave calls Jeff and
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he's like, you know, hey, I'm over here at Gary's house.
He and Timothy are here, andhe said, you know, hey,
why don't you come on by becauseI'm home now. And Jeff was like,
oh my gosh, that's so awesome. I'm so glad you're there,
you know, and we're going toget a chance to hang out some more,
you know, since your fiance waslike, you know, I don't
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want you over there, bro,So that's kind of cool. I'll see
you know, we'll load up andwe'll be there in just a few minutes,
all right, awesome. Hangs upthe phone. And then a couple
of minutes later, in fact,what I read said less than a minute
later, Gary walks up to Daveand says, okay, you gotta go.
Time for you to go. AndDave didn't think anything of it.
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He's like, that's just how Garyis like, that's that's just Gary,
okay. But at about the sametime, his brother was like, hey,
can can you follow me home?Because my tail lights don't work.
And he's like, yeah, I'lltotally follow you home, bro, I
got you. Yep. So theyleave and Dave says he saw his brother,
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or drove behind his brother till hisbrother got home. And it was
about, you know, not longafter midnight, and that was the last
he saw his brother that day.Okay, So Jeff and Lynne get there
just a few minutes later, andGary was the only one there and they're
sitting out front. They're talking,smoking a joint, hanging out, just
killing time whatever. They got donesmoking, and about that time, Timothy
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showed back up and everyone went insidethe house. Okay, Timothy went to
the living room. Gary offered Lynna beer, which she said she declined,
so he just kind of stood therein the kitchen. Lynne sat down
at the kitchen table to roll anotherjoint, and Jeff stood in the doorway
between the kitchen and the living room. Lynn said that the guys were talking.
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They're talking can shop, you know. Would eventually turned to the talk
of this money that Gary o Jefffor this weed that he had given him,
and he told him, well,I don't have it. I'm a
little short. I don't have thedrugs either oopsies? Okay, so have
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you been like you just did,taken the product yourself and having a good
time with it. That's what itsounds like. Lynn said that then she
heard shots going off and she looksup and Jeff has fallen to the floor
and Timothy is standing behind him holdingwhat would later be identified as a Marlin
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Model sixty twenty two caliber rifle.Oh Lynn said she heard about four shots
or so, but she couldn't becertain because you know, counting was not
really what her focus was on.Absolutely, And she said that after Jeff
was shot, Gary grabbed her draggedher to the bedroom, where he forced
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her face down and got on topof her and started interrogating her. Are
y'all cops, why are you here? Who are you do? Y'all have
any drugs with you? Does anyoneknow where you are? What? Dude?
Get away from me? And wow? Well she find She kept telling
him over and over and over thatshe didn't know anything. She had just
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met Jeff just a few weeks before. Simmons finally chilled out some and so
he hog tied her with some ropeand put her in like this foot locker
steamer trunk type thing that was inthis room and closed the lid down on
it so that she couldn't get out. Well, Lynn, Lynn is freaking
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awesome. Okay, she didn't panic. She worked herself out of the ropes
and then started beating and banging onthis lid of this trunk that she was
in, trying to get out.Good for her. Simmons comes back in
there, takes her out, strippedher down, naked, tied her back
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up, put her back in thebox, and said, look, I'm
on a timeframe here. You don'tmess me up. Okay, you can't
screw up this timeframe. I gota short timeframe I'm working with. Kaba
closes the lid back on her.Sounds like he already had a plan before
they ever got there. Anyway,Yeah, that's what I thought too.
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So Lynn, again, being supersmart and super awesome, snakes her way
back out of these bindings and startsbeating on the box again, trying to
escape. You go, len SoSimmons came back a little bit later.
She said, he was naked,looked like he had recently, you know,
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like just gotten out of the showeror whatever. Okay, and he
takes Lynn out of the box,and he tells her, look, here's
what's gonna happen. I'm gonna rapeyou, and your performance well determine whether
you live or die, sweetheart.Oh, I would probably die. I'm
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just saying I probably would too.Well. He got finished, and he
asked Milano if he wanted to turn, but Milana was like, no,
I guess he draws the line atmurder wow standards. I don't know.
I don't know anyway, So Simmonstold Lynn go to the bathroom and get
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cleaned up some. Then she cameback out and he trimmed all her fingernails
because she had scratched the snot outof him. Good for her exactly,
and then he tied her up again, but this time, after he hog
tied her, he also linked thoseropes to one that he wrapped around her
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neck. That way, if shewas wriggling or moving or whatever, she's
gonna choke herself. O. Andhe puts her back in the box.
Oh. Lynn was able to getout of the restraint again. Becau go
girl. She is my hero becauseshe's freaking amazing. I told you,
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yes, absolutely, So she's tryingto break out of the box again.
So Simmons comes back in. He'ssmoking a joint, realized she had slipped
the ropes again, and he's like, dude, just hey, here,
spoke some of this weed with me. And she's like okay, because she's
all freaked out, you know.Yeah, So they share this joint together
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and then she's like, you know, it's kind of cold in that box.
Can I have a blanket? Andhe's like, yeah, here you
go, gives her a blanket.She lays down in the box with the
blanket. He closes the box backup, and she goes back or and
she goes to sleep. Okay.She woke up a little bit later she
heard a phone ringing and it justkept ringing and ringing and ringing, and
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she goes, you know what,I think I am alone in this house.
This is my chance. This isit m M. And she really
went to town beating on this trunkand she finally broke out of this trunk
and she found a trash bag thathad some of her clothes in it,
and she threw some of her clotheson, grabbed a knife and some keys
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that she saw, and she takesoff out the front door and she goes
straight across the street to the neighbor'shouse and she's banging on the door over
there. Somebody finally come to thedoor and she said, you know,
hey, they shot my boyfriend acrossthe street. They raped me. Oh
my gosh, I help me,help me, Yes and one. And
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I think I read that it wasa lady neighbor that was across the street.
And she said, you know what, that's fine, I will call
the cops for you, but you'renot coming in my house, like you're
gonna have to wait out front.This is about six six thirty or so
in the morning, if I remembercorrectly. Okay, I mean I see
it because a lot of people willtry different things like that to gain access
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to your house. And you don'tknow these people, and you know,
it all could be Floyd, absolutely. I mean, I guess I kind
of get it, but I don'tknow. So Lynn is sitting on the
porch swing of this lady's house waitingon the cops to show up. I
think I would have been like hidingas best I could on the front porch
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versus just all willy nilly on theporch swing. I'm just saying, well,
while she's waiting, she's watching thehouse, you know, across the
street that she had just escaped fromthis house of freaking horrors, and she
sees Simmons pull back up into thedriveway, so she bolts off the porch
with the quickness, and she hidesin the bushes there and she watches,
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and she said that he went insidethe house quick, maybe a minute or
so, and then came back outand left. So the cops finally show
up a little bit later, andshe runs out to meet them. She's
all hysterical, I can sider that, and it takes them about forty five
minutes or so to get her tocalm down enough for them to understand what
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she's saying. Okay, and theyfinally understood, you know, hey,
these guys killed her boyfriend and thenthey locked her in a steam trunk or
a foot locker or something in thebedroom, raped her. Okay, let's
go see if her boyfriend is stillalive, you know, because she said
that they shot him. She didn'tsay he's dead, just that they shot
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him. So they go in thehouse, I'm assuming, you know,
because they've got the whole exigent circumstancesor whatever, and they go in and
they don't find Jeff, but theydo find a few things that do kind
of back up her story. Sothey're like, okay, back out of
the house, lock it down.It's a crime scene. You billy,
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Bob Joe over here, go downhere, go back to the station wherever,
and get a search more. Wegot to search this house. Okay,
we're gonna do this, right.So they start talking to the neighbors,
and one neighbor said, you know, Gary came by my house yesterday
afternoon after work and asked if hecould borrow my little John boat today because
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he was going to go fishing.And I was like, yeah, sure,
buddy, no problem. You know, we've been neighbors for a while.
Sure you could borrow my john boat. It's good. When I was
going to work, I noticed thatit was up on his land, So
you know, there's that. Copsare like it though. Okay, Well,
this guy's wife also told the copsthat she had been up super early
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that morning, like around two o'clockin the morning or so, and she
had been cleaning the house and shewent outside somewhere around three or four and
she saw Milano show up and hejust kind of, you know, let
himself inside or whatever. And thena few minutes later, Milano and Simmons
both came out of the house withwhite buckets and they went down to the
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bayou that their land backed up towhere her husband said he had seen the
boat that morning. Oh, sothey're going, all right, So they
look around back and they see thisboat up on the land, and they're
kind of looking around, and theynotice that there's some flesh and some blood
in this boat. You So theykind of look out into the water a
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little bit, you know, rightaround where this boat is kind of backed
up into the water, but it'sreally on the land, so it can't
float away anywhere. Yes, Andthey saw some bits of flesh and such.
They're too so they're thinking, Okay, I know we don't have the
search warrant yet. I know we'regoing to get it, but I also
know that we have tides that comeand go and pull all this stuff out
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to the Gulf of Mexico. Wehave alligators in here, dude, We've
got to at least get this stuffout of the water, right right.
So they start collecting everything they couldfind from the water. So the search
warrant finally shows up and they reallyget to work collecting all this evidence,
not just what was in the wateror in the boat, but around the
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boat, in the house, everywhereelse. They ended up finding Len's nail
clippings, a used condom, atwenty two rifle other evidence. From in
the house. Around the boat,they ended up finding a knife, a
bush hook which is kind of likea sickle type thing, m a machette,
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a scrub brush, buckets, andbleach. As far as the flesh
and such goes, they ended upfinding about a hundred and fifty pounds of
body parts in the water, fingers, toes, lungs, heart, liver,
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etc. Which was about eighty ishpercent of Jeff's body. Oh my
goodness. And on the second daythese bits of flesh and such were positively
identified as belonging to Jeff. Whenthey found his head a little bit further
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out in the bayou, Oh mygoodness. He had essentially been dismembered and
tossed in the water. Wow.Some people's kids, man, no respect.
Yeah. Milano was picked up athis apartment and placed under arrest.
Simmons would eventually call the cops froma friend's house and say, hey,
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here I am, come get me, and they did. They went and
got him. There you go.But here's what they had determined happened.
After they shot Jeff and tied andlocked up Lynn, they set to work
getting Jeff into the bathtub, whereSimmons set to work using his professional skills
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to dismember him. Didn't take ittoo gosh off along like it usually seems
to take most people who try todo dismembering things, because you see,
he was a meat processor at alocal grocery store. Yeah, I can
see where that helped him out.The cops talked to a co worker of
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his, who told them that onAugust twelfth, he noticed that Simmons,
towards the end of his shift,was sharpening his knives, wrapping them up
in paper, getting ready to takethem home with him. And the co
worker said, you know, thiswas really weird because normally we don't do
that unless we're quitting, or we'vebeen fired, or we're going on you
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know, an extended vacation of sorts, right, so you just need these
utensils at work. Yeah, SoI asked him, you know, hey,
what what are you doing, Like, are you going somewhere? And
I just didn't know. I missedit on the schedule. You just hadn't
said, you know, hey,what's going on? And he said that
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Simmons told him that he might haveto skin something out that night. Oh
yeah. So these were the knivesand the skills that he used to dismember
Jeff with the quickness. Wow.After they dismembered him, they dumped all
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the pieces they could into the bayouthat ran right behind simmons house. M
M. They were expecting either thealligators to eat everything, and what the
alligators didn't eat the tide would carryout into the Gulf of Mexico, right,
or the fish just you know,the local varmits there got So now
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they're thinking, all right, cool, our work is done. They go
their separate ways. Simmons ended updriving to Mobile, Alabama, where he
recorded a videotape of himself basically confessing, but not in like specific terms,
just kind of general terms. Andhe mailed this tape to his ex wife
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for her and their two kids tohave and then he drew back home.
Once he got home, I know, once he got home, he realized
that Lynn had escaped, and heran and hit at his friends John's house
again not his real name. OnAugust fourteenth, John comes home from work
and he found Simmons napping on hiscouch. He woke up and they're sitting
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there talking and Simmons told John whathappened. He told John, you know,
I whacked drug dealer because this boybroke back on me. And this
is what happened. And so afterwe killed him, you know, I
deboned him, cut him up intolittle pieces, and cost him out in
the bayou. Yeah, and thenhe admitted to John that he had had
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sex with Lynn and he had plannedto keep her and train her, but
she had escaped. You gross.Yeah, he said he had planned on
taking all of their money. Butafter Milano shot Jeff, they were pretty
disappointed because Jeffilly had about a thousanddollars instead of the twenty thousand dollars they
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expected him to have. Well,first of all, why would he have
that much money if he didn't collectthat much money. But because he's traveling
across a few states, and he'sstopping in New Orleans and he's gonna buy
its hires and rims, and he'sa big time drug dealer. Doesn't he
carry all that cash all the time. I don't know, maybe that's what
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they were thinking. I don't know, probably was. So they talked John
and Simmons did. They talked aboutwhat Simmons should do, and Simmons said,
dude, I have really only threeoptions that I can see. I
can run, I can kill myself, or I can turn myself in.
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And they talked and they talked,and he finally settled on turning himself in,
and that's when he called the cops, and the cops came and picked
him up good. The trials ofMilano and Simmons ended up getting severed,
so they were going to be triedseparately. Now Simmons. Simmons was up
first. He was charged with rape, kidnapping, and capital murder with an
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underlying felony of robbery. So hegoes to trial in nineteen ninety seven.
The jury comes back and they said, you know what you're guilty of all
love it. Yep. He wassentenced to life for the rape and the
kidnapping charges. Okay, so twolife sentences for the rape and kidnapping charges,
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but he was sentenced to death forthe capital murder charge. Nice.
During the sentencing hearing for the deathpenalty, Simmons was described by his character
witnesses as a good person, aloving husband and father. His half brother
testified that his dad, which wasSimmons's stepdad, was abusive and would beat
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them along with their mother, andthat Simmons got it worse since he was
the oldest. And there was thisone time that their mom was being beat
and Simmons stepped in to try andprotect her, and their dad shot at
him. Oh my god. Healso said that Simmons was the reason that
the brother had found religion. Youknow, he was a good guy,
(33:39):
but once he got divorced, hejust started making dumb decisions. Wow.
There was also some testimony at somepoint that said he had been barred from
living in the same house as hisex wife's older kids from a previous relationship,
but the reason for this was neverreally made very clear. Well.
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Milano went to trial the following yearin nineteen ninety eight. Turns out that
he and his twin sister had beenabandoned in Oklahoma when they were toddlers by
their heroin addict mother. Oh mygod. They had been adopted and now
here we are. He was triedfor kidnapping and capital murder. He had
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originally been charged with rape because Lynnsaid, you know, they both raped
me, blah blah blah. Butthen you know, before trial, she
was like, no, that's notreally True's just this Simmons jerk face that
raped me. Milano didn't. Isaid that at first, you know,
when the cops first showed up,And that was my original story because I
wanted them to get in as muchtrouble as they could. I didn't want
them to get away. But Ican't lie, like I just I can't
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lie, right, Okay, Sothey dropped the rape charge, so he's
tried for kidnapping and capital murder.So he was found guilty on both of
his charges and he was given twolife sentences without the possibility of parole,
to be served consecutively. On Junetwentieth of twenty twelve, at the age
of forty nine, Gary Simmons wasexecuted by lethal injection. And that's my
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case. Wow got what he deserved. I can say that for sure.
Wow Wow, wow Wow. WhatI mean hm hmm okay, So but
yeah, that's that's my case.That's what I got for you this week.
(35:37):
Well, thank you for sharing that. That was amazing and I'm glad
they recovered so much evidence to putthese guys where they belonged. Yes,
wow, wow, Yeah, Iliked it. It's crazy a lot.
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It's crazy. I want to say, not one hundred percent positive, but
I want to say Lynn did endup getting kind of into drugs after this,
which I get self medicating, Iget it right, But she cleaned
herself up, she met a guy, she got married, and now she's
a mom with kids. Nice.I'm pretty sure that's what I found out.
(36:22):
Okay, well, you know whatwe're going to go with that anyway,
because that sounds an amazing like anamazing ending to this story, and
I agree, I agree, butyeah, that's just what wow crazy wow
(36:42):
wow. Well, if y'all enjoyedthat, guys coming, I don't think
anybody could enjoy that well I know, but I mean, if you enjoyed
just the twist and turns and allthat, you know, come back next
week and we'll be here doing anothercase for you, and I guess until
then, guys, my live
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(00:31):
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We're gonna tell you some stories you'veheard, some of you haven't, and
some you'll wish you hadn't, allwith a Texas twang. Well, welcome
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go back, pick one and juststart listening. And this is we're
recording before we go to Austin In, but this isn't really still after we
come back from Austin. So I'mjust gonna go out on a Limb's Day.
We had a great time in Austin, such a blast. Can't wait
to do it again next year.I can't wait to find out where they
have it next year. And ifyou guys came by and said hi to
(01:17):
us, hello again, best friend? Yes, yes, so nice to
meet everyone. Okay, I can'twait till it really happens, though,
you know, I'm so excited.We are close. It's been a week
away a most time. Yeah,it's just down to days, so we're
very excited. Have you packed yet? No, but I was thinking about
(01:40):
going ahead and packing like today,tomorrow, something like that. That way
I have it all done and thenI don't have to worry about it.
Have you. I haven't packed,which is not normal for me. But
I have made the list of whatto pack. Okay, Okay, I'm
kind of setting everything that I wantto pack to get other so I don't
forget. So, I mean,I already got it down in my head
(02:05):
what I'm taking, what I needto take, what I'm gonna take.
I think the only thing that Iactually need to pick up that I don't
already have here is Kendy Kendy KendyKendy Kendy Kendy. Yeah. I haven't
picked up in a candy either now. No, but I did notice that
the store they're already starting to putout Halloween. I'm like, okay,
(02:25):
that helps me out a lot.I know. I thought, the same
thing. Okay, so what's inyour mug? In my mug, I
actually went to my boxo pods,box of pods, box of pods.
Yes, and I have Harry andDavid coffee. It's the butterscotch caramel.
(02:45):
Oh my goodness. Now, Itook a sip of this. I don't
drink black coffee, but I tooka sip because it smelt so good.
It's got like a rich smell aboutit. You can smell the butterscotch and
kind of smell the caramel, eventhough they're to me, they're very close
in the same, but you canyou can smell it. So I was
(03:08):
like, oh, let me trythis black, which I don't drink.
But I tasted it, and Iwas like, you know, if I
could drink black coffee, I coulddrink this without any creamer or whatsoever.
But I did put just the tiniestsplash of creamer in it, which I
feel I did the French vanilla creamer. I feel that it actually helped boost
(03:31):
both the flavors of the caramel andthe butterscotch. It is really coffee.
Yes, what do you have inyour mug? I don't have a mug.
I have a bottle because it's hotstill. It is it's August in
Texas and I am but I amdrinking the dunkin Donuts iced coffee. You
(03:51):
can find it at your bitty daygas station, convenient store, grocery store,
wherever. Just the original flavor.Nothing fancy in it, nothing okay,
nothing to fanancy about it. It'sjust it's creamy and it's lightly sweet
and it's good and it's caffeine andit's not hot. So yes, I
do want to say I went tothe store. I can't remember what store
(04:14):
it was, what I was pickingup or whatever, but I went by
where they sell the coffee drinks andstuff like that, and I want to
say that it was that brand,and they had like a Snickers flavor.
I did buy a Snickers flavor something, or maybe it was Twicks. I
think about the Twicks flavor. Iseen Twicks and Snickers and I was like,
(04:40):
you know, I might have topick these up just to try.
So I've had the Twigs one.I tried it here right on the podcast.
I didn't try the Snickers one.But I do know that the Duncan
iced coffee, the ones that I'mdrinking now, yes, they do.
Sometimes you can find them with athin mint flavor. Oh, I would
(05:02):
love a ten minute I love those. I haven't I don't have any I
haven't seen them in a little bit, but hopefully I will start seeing them
again soon. Nice. Nice,nice. So I'm excited, all right,
Well, enough about us, andenough about our coffee. We're here
for a case, yes, yes, and boy have I got a case
(05:26):
for you? Oh? Yes,exciting. We are going to go to
Moss Point, Mississippi. Sounds interesting. In nineteen ninety, the population was
about eighteen thousand, and in twothousand the population was about the same.
Okay, I think it only changedby like one hundred and fifty people or
(05:48):
something. Nice, it was prettyclose to the same. One person that
I wanted to mention from Moss Point, Mississippi is the is John Brock,
the CE of Coca Cola. Wow. Awesome. Not that I drink a
lot of coke, but you knownow, but I do like the Coke
(06:11):
zero better than any of it,diet coke, any of it. Okay.
I don't really drink SODA's so well, I don't either, but when
I do, I don't mind Cokezero. I do like a Barx root
beer, though I love Mason rootBeer. I bought a twelfth pack of
Barx root Beer a couple of monthsago. They're still sitting in the kitchen
(06:31):
because I don't drink them very often. I get I get it. I
don't drink soda often either, butwhat I want one, it's there in
my kitchen. So anyway, okay, back to the case. Yes,
yes, we're getting sidetracks. It'sterrible. It's the heat. So we're
gonna talk about Jeffrey Wolf. Hewas born November twenty ninth, nineteen seventy
(06:56):
four, and he lived in Conrowor Houston. I kind of read both
here in Texas. Conro is thesuburb of Houston, so he could have
actually been from Conrow and lived inConro, but everybody just says Houston because
it's, you know, right nextto Houston. Yes, yes it is,
(07:17):
so it could be either way,but I read both. Wanted to
mention both. He had recently metLynn. He was twenty one, she
was eighteen, and they had starteddating. Like when I say recently,
I mean within the past couple ofweeks or so of our case here,
Okay, he brought her home tomeet dad. Dad was like, all
(07:40):
right, cool. Oh, bythe way, Lynn is not her real
name. Just for the record,Lynn isn't her real name. It's fine,
We'll go with Lynn. I liketo name Limb. We're okay.
So he decided to take her withhim on a business trip two moss Point.
(08:00):
Nice. They were going to stopin New Orleans on the way back
for a short vacation. Heck yeah. And when they left, Lynn said
that she had about two hundred dollarsor so in her purse for this trip,
and Jeff had about twelve hundred dollarswith him Nice, along with a
handgun that he reportedly always carried withhim, even though she said she never
(08:22):
personally saw it. Okay, youcross the state lines. You're going on
a business trip. I get it. Bro Oh yeah, I understand it.
Well, this business trip was actuallyinitiated when Jeff had gotten a note
from this guy named Gary Simmons,he was about thirty two thirty three that
said, you know, hey,I you know, it's it's time for
(08:45):
you to come see me down herein Moss Point. Now, what kind
of business is this? Do weknow what kind of business he was in?
Well, I'm glad you asked,because we are. That is the
next sentence that was about to comeout of my mouth. I was gonna
tell you see Jeff was a marijuanadealer, and he would either personally or
(09:09):
have some underling of his take abatch of weed to Simmons on consignment,
and then Simmons would sell it orhave his ex brother in law Timothy Milano,
who was about nineteen or so,sell it, and then Simmons would
get the money to Jeff. Okay, so Jeff's So Jeff was going to
(09:31):
go down there and he was goingto get the money that Simmons owed him
for the last consignment bit, whichwas supposed to be somewhere between twelve thousand
and twenty thousand dollars. Wow,that's a good chunk of change. That's
kind of what I'm thinking. Arewe in the wrong business here? I'm
thinking we might be anyway. SoLynn and Jeff head out of the Houston
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area about four o'clock or so onthe afternoon of August ele eleventh, nineteen
ninety six, and they got toPascagoula. I think, is how you
say it in the early I thinkyou nailed it, and it sounds great
in the early morning hours of Augusttwelfth. Now, Pascagoula is like the
bigger town next to Moss Point,okay, which which is not very big
(10:22):
because I've never heard of either oneof these neither. It's about a seven
hour drive straight through, no stops, from Houston to Pascagoula. Okay.
So they get to their motel,they get checked in, they go in
and they're like, okay, goodnight, and they go to sleep for
a bit. Okay. So Jeffwoke up a little bit later and he
(10:46):
let Lynn sleep while he went togo see Dave Milano. Dave is not
his real name either, by theway. Okay, that's fine. So
Dave is Timothy's brother, and hehad met Jeff several weeks prior to this
on another business trip of Jeff's tothe area, and Dave worked at a
(11:07):
local tire shop, and he andJeff had talked about Jeff getting some tires
and wheels while he was in townthe next time. And so he went
down there to this tire shop toget all the details and all that ironed
out and stuff. I'm assuming that'swhat he brought the twelve hundred dollars for,
you know, the a little bitfor the room, get the tires
(11:28):
and wheels, and he's going touse his money he gets from Simmons over
here to a spin in New Orleans. I'm just saying that's what I would
do. Oh yeah, it soundslike a plan for me too. So
Dave gets off work a little bitlater, and then he and Jeff and
Lynn and Dave's fiance all go outtogether to dinner. They had a great
(11:52):
time. Jeff said afterwards that theywere going to go to Simmons's house,
and the fiance was adamant that shedid not want Dave going see. Gary
Simmons was the ex brother in lawof Timothy and Dave Milano. He had
been married to their sister, hada couple of kids with her, but
he wasn't married to her anymore,and the fiance was like, dude,
(12:15):
I really don't want you going overthere. I really really don't. And
Dave was like, oh my gosh, woman, this is something I do
all the time. I got yeah, I got this. Yeah. So
they finished eating dinner and the coupleswent their separate ways. Jeff and Lynne
went by Gary's house over here,but no one was home, so they
stopped and picked up a couple ofthings from a gas station and went back
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to the room they were chilling therefor a little bit, and they're like,
all right, let's go kill sometime. So they go down to
the local walmart kill a little timethere, drive back by Gary's house.
Again, nobody's home, so theygo back to the hotel room. And
this was I don't know, probablysomewhere between ten and eleven or so.
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Okay, Well, shortly before midnight, Dave goes over to Simmons's house and
Simmons and his brother Milano are there, and he was like, hey,
yeah, I went to dinner withJeff and Lynn and we had a good
time. And he said he wasgonna come by here, but I'm guessing
he did and you'll weren't here orsomething. And Gary was like, oh,
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yeah, that's that's totally what happened. We weren't here since you went
out with him. Why don't yougive him a call let him know I'm
home and he can come on overat midnight. Don't call me at midnight
because I am sleeping. Well,they didn't get in until probably four or
five in the morning. Oh yeah, nope, I'm definitely asleep. So
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they'd been sleeping all day, sothey've only been up a few hours.
I don't know. Pause, they'retwenty. Yeah, well okay, never
mind, never mind, you arecorrect. Plus they're twenty, so there's
that. Keep that in mind,got you. So Dave calls Jeff and
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he's like, you know, hey, I'm over here at Gary's house.
He and Timothy are here, andhe said, you know, hey,
why don't you come on by becauseI'm home now. And Jeff was like,
oh my gosh, that's so awesome. I'm so glad you're there,
you know, and we're going toget a chance to hang out some more,
you know, since your fiance waslike, you know, I don't
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want you over there, bro,So that's kind of cool. I'll see
you know, we'll load up andwe'll be there in just a few minutes,
all right, awesome. Hangs upthe phone. And then a couple
of minutes later, in fact,what I read said less than a minute
later, Gary walks up to Daveand says, okay, you gotta go.
Time for you to go. AndDave didn't think anything of it.
(14:45):
He's like, that's just how Garyis like, that's that's just Gary,
okay. But at about the sametime, his brother was like, hey,
can can you follow me home?Because my tail lights don't work.
And he's like, yeah, I'lltotally follow you home, bro, I
got you. Yep. So theyleave and Dave says he saw his brother,
(15:09):
or drove behind his brother till hisbrother got home. And it was
about, you know, not longafter midnight, and that was the last
he saw his brother that day.Okay, So Jeff and Lynne get there
just a few minutes later, andGary was the only one there and they're
sitting out front. They're talking,smoking a joint, hanging out, just
killing time whatever. They got donesmoking, and about that time, Timothy
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showed back up and everyone went insidethe house. Okay, Timothy went to
the living room. Gary offered Lynna beer, which she said she declined,
so he just kind of stood therein the kitchen. Lynne sat down
at the kitchen table to roll anotherjoint, and Jeff stood in the doorway
between the kitchen and the living room. Lynn said that the guys were talking.
(15:58):
They're talking can shop, you know. Would eventually turned to the talk
of this money that Gary o Jefffor this weed that he had given him,
and he told him, well,I don't have it. I'm a
little short. I don't have thedrugs either oopsies? Okay, so have
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you been like you just did,taken the product yourself and having a good
time with it. That's what itsounds like. Lynn said that then she
heard shots going off and she looksup and Jeff has fallen to the floor
and Timothy is standing behind him holdingwhat would later be identified as a Marlin
(16:44):
Model sixty twenty two caliber rifle.Oh Lynn said she heard about four shots
or so, but she couldn't becertain because you know, counting was not
really what her focus was on.Absolutely, And she said that after Jeff
was shot, Gary grabbed her draggedher to the bedroom, where he forced
(17:06):
her face down and got on topof her and started interrogating her. Are
y'all cops, why are you here? Who are you do? Y'all have
any drugs with you? Does anyoneknow where you are? What? Dude?
Get away from me? And wow? Well she find She kept telling
him over and over and over thatshe didn't know anything. She had just
(17:26):
met Jeff just a few weeks before. Simmons finally chilled out some and so
he hog tied her with some ropeand put her in like this foot locker
steamer trunk type thing that was inthis room and closed the lid down on
it so that she couldn't get out. Well, Lynn, Lynn is freaking
(17:48):
awesome. Okay, she didn't panic. She worked herself out of the ropes
and then started beating and banging onthis lid of this trunk that she was
in, trying to get out.Good for her. Simmons comes back in
there, takes her out, strippedher down, naked, tied her back
(18:08):
up, put her back in thebox, and said, look, I'm
on a timeframe here. You don'tmess me up. Okay, you can't
screw up this timeframe. I gota short timeframe I'm working with. Kaba
closes the lid back on her.Sounds like he already had a plan before
they ever got there. Anyway,Yeah, that's what I thought too.
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So Lynn, again, being supersmart and super awesome, snakes her way
back out of these bindings and startsbeating on the box again, trying to
escape. You go, len SoSimmons came back a little bit later.
She said, he was naked,looked like he had recently, you know,
(18:51):
like just gotten out of the showeror whatever. Okay, and he
takes Lynn out of the box,and he tells her, look, here's
what's gonna happen. I'm gonna rapeyou, and your performance well determine whether
you live or die, sweetheart.Oh, I would probably die. I'm
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just saying I probably would too.Well. He got finished, and he
asked Milano if he wanted to turn, but Milana was like, no,
I guess he draws the line atmurder wow standards. I don't know.
I don't know anyway, So Simmonstold Lynn go to the bathroom and get
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cleaned up some. Then she cameback out and he trimmed all her fingernails
because she had scratched the snot outof him. Good for her exactly,
and then he tied her up again, but this time, after he hog
tied her, he also linked thoseropes to one that he wrapped around her
(19:52):
neck. That way, if shewas wriggling or moving or whatever, she's
gonna choke herself. O. Andhe puts her back in the box.
Oh. Lynn was able to getout of the restraint again. Becau go
girl. She is my hero becauseshe's freaking amazing. I told you,
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yes, absolutely, So she's tryingto break out of the box again.
So Simmons comes back in. He'ssmoking a joint, realized she had slipped
the ropes again, and he's like, dude, just hey, here,
spoke some of this weed with me. And she's like okay, because she's
all freaked out, you know.Yeah, So they share this joint together
(20:41):
and then she's like, you know, it's kind of cold in that box.
Can I have a blanket? Andhe's like, yeah, here you
go, gives her a blanket.She lays down in the box with the
blanket. He closes the box backup, and she goes back or and
she goes to sleep. Okay.She woke up a little bit later she
heard a phone ringing and it justkept ringing and ringing and ringing, and
(21:03):
she goes, you know what,I think I am alone in this house.
This is my chance. This isit m M. And she really
went to town beating on this trunkand she finally broke out of this trunk
and she found a trash bag thathad some of her clothes in it,
and she threw some of her clotheson, grabbed a knife and some keys
(21:25):
that she saw, and she takesoff out the front door and she goes
straight across the street to the neighbor'shouse and she's banging on the door over
there. Somebody finally come to thedoor and she said, you know,
hey, they shot my boyfriend acrossthe street. They raped me. Oh
my gosh, I help me,help me, Yes and one. And
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I think I read that it wasa lady neighbor that was across the street.
And she said, you know what, that's fine, I will call
the cops for you, but you'renot coming in my house, like you're
gonna have to wait out front.This is about six six thirty or so
in the morning, if I remembercorrectly. Okay, I mean I see
it because a lot of people willtry different things like that to gain access
(22:11):
to your house. And you don'tknow these people, and you know,
it all could be Floyd, absolutely. I mean, I guess I kind
of get it, but I don'tknow. So Lynn is sitting on the
porch swing of this lady's house waitingon the cops to show up. I
think I would have been like hidingas best I could on the front porch
(22:34):
versus just all willy nilly on theporch swing. I'm just saying, well,
while she's waiting, she's watching thehouse, you know, across the
street that she had just escaped fromthis house of freaking horrors, and she
sees Simmons pull back up into thedriveway, so she bolts off the porch
with the quickness, and she hidesin the bushes there and she watches,
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and she said that he went insidethe house quick, maybe a minute or
so, and then came back outand left. So the cops finally show
up a little bit later, andshe runs out to meet them. She's
all hysterical, I can sider that, and it takes them about forty five
minutes or so to get her tocalm down enough for them to understand what
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she's saying. Okay, and theyfinally understood, you know, hey,
these guys killed her boyfriend and thenthey locked her in a steam trunk or
a foot locker or something in thebedroom, raped her. Okay, let's
go see if her boyfriend is stillalive, you know, because she said
that they shot him. She didn'tsay he's dead, just that they shot
(23:42):
him. So they go in thehouse, I'm assuming, you know,
because they've got the whole exigent circumstancesor whatever, and they go in and
they don't find Jeff, but theydo find a few things that do kind
of back up her story. Sothey're like, okay, back out of
the house, lock it down.It's a crime scene. You billy,
(24:03):
Bob Joe over here, go downhere, go back to the station wherever,
and get a search more. Wegot to search this house. Okay,
we're gonna do this, right.So they start talking to the neighbors,
and one neighbor said, you know, Gary came by my house yesterday
afternoon after work and asked if hecould borrow my little John boat today because
(24:26):
he was going to go fishing.And I was like, yeah, sure,
buddy, no problem. You know, we've been neighbors for a while.
Sure you could borrow my john boat. It's good. When I was
going to work, I noticed thatit was up on his land, So
you know, there's that. Copsare like it though. Okay, Well,
this guy's wife also told the copsthat she had been up super early
(24:49):
that morning, like around two o'clockin the morning or so, and she
had been cleaning the house and shewent outside somewhere around three or four and
she saw Milano show up and hejust kind of, you know, let
himself inside or whatever. And thena few minutes later, Milano and Simmons
both came out of the house withwhite buckets and they went down to the
(25:11):
bayou that their land backed up towhere her husband said he had seen the
boat that morning. Oh, sothey're going, all right, So they
look around back and they see thisboat up on the land, and they're
kind of looking around, and theynotice that there's some flesh and some blood
in this boat. You So theykind of look out into the water a
(25:33):
little bit, you know, rightaround where this boat is kind of backed
up into the water, but it'sreally on the land, so it can't
float away anywhere. Yes, Andthey saw some bits of flesh and such.
They're too so they're thinking, Okay, I know we don't have the
search warrant yet. I know we'regoing to get it, but I also
know that we have tides that comeand go and pull all this stuff out
(25:56):
to the Gulf of Mexico. Wehave alligators in here, dude, We've
got to at least get this stuffout of the water, right right.
So they start collecting everything they couldfind from the water. So the search
warrant finally shows up and they reallyget to work collecting all this evidence,
not just what was in the wateror in the boat, but around the
(26:18):
boat, in the house, everywhereelse. They ended up finding Len's nail
clippings, a used condom, atwenty two rifle other evidence. From in
the house. Around the boat,they ended up finding a knife, a
bush hook which is kind of likea sickle type thing, m a machette,
(26:41):
a scrub brush, buckets, andbleach. As far as the flesh
and such goes, they ended upfinding about a hundred and fifty pounds of
body parts in the water, fingers, toes, lungs, heart, liver,
(27:03):
etc. Which was about eighty ishpercent of Jeff's body. Oh my
goodness. And on the second daythese bits of flesh and such were positively
identified as belonging to Jeff. Whenthey found his head a little bit further
(27:23):
out in the bayou, Oh mygoodness. He had essentially been dismembered and
tossed in the water. Wow.Some people's kids, man, no respect.
Yeah. Milano was picked up athis apartment and placed under arrest.
Simmons would eventually call the cops froma friend's house and say, hey,
(27:47):
here I am, come get me, and they did. They went and
got him. There you go.But here's what they had determined happened.
After they shot Jeff and tied andlocked up Lynn, they set to work
getting Jeff into the bathtub, whereSimmons set to work using his professional skills
(28:08):
to dismember him. Didn't take ittoo gosh off along like it usually seems
to take most people who try todo dismembering things, because you see,
he was a meat processor at alocal grocery store. Yeah, I can
see where that helped him out.The cops talked to a co worker of
(28:32):
his, who told them that onAugust twelfth, he noticed that Simmons,
towards the end of his shift,was sharpening his knives, wrapping them up
in paper, getting ready to takethem home with him. And the co
worker said, you know, thiswas really weird because normally we don't do
that unless we're quitting, or we'vebeen fired, or we're going on you
(28:53):
know, an extended vacation of sorts, right, so you just need these
utensils at work. Yeah, SoI asked him, you know, hey,
what what are you doing, Like, are you going somewhere? And
I just didn't know. I missedit on the schedule. You just hadn't
said, you know, hey,what's going on? And he said that
(29:15):
Simmons told him that he might haveto skin something out that night. Oh
yeah. So these were the knivesand the skills that he used to dismember
Jeff with the quickness. Wow.After they dismembered him, they dumped all
(29:36):
the pieces they could into the bayouthat ran right behind simmons house. M
M. They were expecting either thealligators to eat everything, and what the
alligators didn't eat the tide would carryout into the Gulf of Mexico, right,
or the fish just you know,the local varmits there got So now
(29:59):
they're thinking, all right, cool, our work is done. They go
their separate ways. Simmons ended updriving to Mobile, Alabama, where he
recorded a videotape of himself basically confessing, but not in like specific terms,
just kind of general terms. Andhe mailed this tape to his ex wife
(30:22):
for her and their two kids tohave and then he drew back home.
Once he got home, I know, once he got home, he realized
that Lynn had escaped, and heran and hit at his friends John's house
again not his real name. OnAugust fourteenth, John comes home from work
and he found Simmons napping on hiscouch. He woke up and they're sitting
(30:45):
there talking and Simmons told John whathappened. He told John, you know,
I whacked drug dealer because this boybroke back on me. And this
is what happened. And so afterwe killed him, you know, I
deboned him, cut him up intolittle pieces, and cost him out in
the bayou. Yeah, and thenhe admitted to John that he had had
(31:06):
sex with Lynn and he had plannedto keep her and train her, but
she had escaped. You gross.Yeah, he said he had planned on
taking all of their money. Butafter Milano shot Jeff, they were pretty
disappointed because Jeffilly had about a thousanddollars instead of the twenty thousand dollars they
(31:30):
expected him to have. Well,first of all, why would he have
that much money if he didn't collectthat much money. But because he's traveling
across a few states, and he'sstopping in New Orleans and he's gonna buy
its hires and rims, and he'sa big time drug dealer. Doesn't he
carry all that cash all the time. I don't know, maybe that's what
(31:52):
they were thinking. I don't know, probably was. So they talked John
and Simmons did. They talked aboutwhat Simmons should do, and Simmons said,
dude, I have really only threeoptions that I can see. I
can run, I can kill myself, or I can turn myself in.
(32:12):
And they talked and they talked,and he finally settled on turning himself in,
and that's when he called the cops, and the cops came and picked
him up good. The trials ofMilano and Simmons ended up getting severed,
so they were going to be triedseparately. Now Simmons. Simmons was up
first. He was charged with rape, kidnapping, and capital murder with an
(32:32):
underlying felony of robbery. So hegoes to trial in nineteen ninety seven.
The jury comes back and they said, you know what you're guilty of all
love it. Yep. He wassentenced to life for the rape and the
kidnapping charges. Okay, so twolife sentences for the rape and kidnapping charges,
(32:53):
but he was sentenced to death forthe capital murder charge. Nice.
During the sentencing hearing for the deathpenalty, Simmons was described by his character
witnesses as a good person, aloving husband and father. His half brother
testified that his dad, which wasSimmons's stepdad, was abusive and would beat
(33:17):
them along with their mother, andthat Simmons got it worse since he was
the oldest. And there was thisone time that their mom was being beat
and Simmons stepped in to try andprotect her, and their dad shot at
him. Oh my god. Healso said that Simmons was the reason that
the brother had found religion. Youknow, he was a good guy,
(33:39):
but once he got divorced, hejust started making dumb decisions. Wow.
There was also some testimony at somepoint that said he had been barred from
living in the same house as hisex wife's older kids from a previous relationship,
but the reason for this was neverreally made very clear. Well.
(34:02):
Milano went to trial the following yearin nineteen ninety eight. Turns out that
he and his twin sister had beenabandoned in Oklahoma when they were toddlers by
their heroin addict mother. Oh mygod. They had been adopted and now
here we are. He was triedfor kidnapping and capital murder. He had
(34:27):
originally been charged with rape because Lynnsaid, you know, they both raped
me, blah blah blah. Butthen you know, before trial, she
was like, no, that's notreally True's just this Simmons jerk face that
raped me. Milano didn't. Isaid that at first, you know,
when the cops first showed up,And that was my original story because I
wanted them to get in as muchtrouble as they could. I didn't want
them to get away. But Ican't lie, like I just I can't
(34:51):
lie, right, Okay, Sothey dropped the rape charge, so he's
tried for kidnapping and capital murder.So he was found guilty on both of
his charges and he was given twolife sentences without the possibility of parole,
to be served consecutively. On Junetwentieth of twenty twelve, at the age
of forty nine, Gary Simmons wasexecuted by lethal injection. And that's my
(35:15):
case. Wow got what he deserved. I can say that for sure.
Wow Wow, wow Wow. WhatI mean hm hmm okay, So but
yeah, that's that's my case.That's what I got for you this week.
(35:37):
Well, thank you for sharing that. That was amazing and I'm glad
they recovered so much evidence to putthese guys where they belonged. Yes,
wow, wow, Yeah, Iliked it. It's crazy a lot.
(35:58):
It's crazy. I want to say, not one hundred percent positive, but
I want to say Lynn did endup getting kind of into drugs after this,
which I get self medicating, Iget it right, But she cleaned
herself up, she met a guy, she got married, and now she's
a mom with kids. Nice.I'm pretty sure that's what I found out.
(36:22):
Okay, well, you know whatwe're going to go with that anyway,
because that sounds an amazing like anamazing ending to this story, and
I agree, I agree, butyeah, that's just what wow crazy wow
(36:42):
wow. Well, if y'all enjoyedthat, guys coming, I don't think
anybody could enjoy that well I know, but I mean, if you enjoyed
just the twist and turns and allthat, you know, come back next
week and we'll be here doing anothercase for you, and I guess until
then, guys, my live
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