Oakley's Story

For the initial three years of her life, Oakley Carlson was nurtured by caring foster parents, before eventually being reunited with her biological parents. In February 2021, Oakley went missing from Oakville, WA, a fact that unfortunately remained unreported for almost 10 months. Subsequent investigations into her disappearance uncovered a troubling situation in her biological parents' home, marked by child abuse, drug use, and the tragic turn of events leading to Oakley being a missing child.

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be extremely frustrating and angering. AngeringIs that a word? It is?
Now you even to bear angry?Angering? So how about we hop right

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into it. For the initial threeyears of her life, Oakley Carlson was
nurtured by caring foster parents for eventuallybeing reunited with her biological parents. In
February twenty twenty one, Oakley wentmissing from Oakfield, Washington, a fact

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that unfortunately remained unreported for almost tenmonths. Subsequent investigations into her disappearance uncovered
a troubling situation in her biological parents'home, marked by child abuse drug use,
in the tragic turn of events leadingto Oakley being a missing child.

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This is Crimepedia, and this isOakley story, all right. Cherry Oakley
Carlson was a joyful, friendly child. Her smile was constant, and her
kindness knew no bounds. She hada talent for making people laugh and remembered
exactly how to bring a smile tosomeone's face. She loved telling jokes,

(07:17):
often punctuating them with waka waka inimitation of Fazzy Bear from the muppets aw
By the time she was three yearsold, Oakley should remarkable intelligence. She
spoke in nearly complete sentences, showedempathy, and was curious about things that
puzzled her. A good example ofher sensitivity was her reaction to the movie

(07:38):
Wally. She recognized Wally's loneliness andfelt sad about it, but was overdroyed
when Eve appeared and Wally was nolonger alone. That's pretty advanced. Oh
yeah, that's pretty advanced. Icompletely get that. I remember being young
and like being super sensitive stuff likethat, Like in movies. Yeah,
Like I remember like there's like evencomedy movies where it's supposed to be funny,

(08:01):
but like there's like there's like momentslike that where you need to send
someone's like upset or alone, justfeeling like heartbroken for them. Yeah,
so I completely get that with youknow. So Oakley was definitely a special
child. Now. Oakley was bornon December sixth, twenty sixteen. It
was just nine months old when shewas placed with her foster parents, Eric

(08:22):
and Jamie Joe Hiles by the WashingtonState Department of Children, Youth, and
Families and Families. All Right,so form here on Now, I'm just
gonna go by DCYF for that.So that's the Apartment of Child, Youth
and Families. For Eric and JamieJoe, welcoming Oakley into their home was
a fulfillment of their dreams. Thecouple had faith challenges and conceiving In one

(08:45):
day, Jamie Joe, a localschool teacher, received a message from a
former student inquiring if they would beif they would consider fostering Oakley. They
immediately agreed, hopeful that this couldeventually lead to adoption. Now it it
is the goal of the DCYF tominimize the duration of foster care for children,

(09:05):
and they seek to find permanent homesas swiftly and safely as possible.
So that's either in a situation wherethe child is adopted or to place them
back with the biological parents. Yeah. However, oakley stay with the Hiles
extended well beyond the initial few monthsthat was expected and would eventually span over

(09:30):
the course of two years. Now. During this period, Oakley's biological parents,
Jordan Bowers and Andrew Carlson, hadrights to supervise visitations with Oakley.
Now, concerns arose for Jamie Joeafter one such visit. On March seventh,
twenty nineteen, after our supervised visitation, Oakley came home with a soiled

(09:54):
diaper and unexplained red scratches on hercheek. When Jamie, Joe and Quie
worried about these scratches, the visitsupervisor could not provide an explanation. So
apparently the diaper that that Oakley hadwent to the visitation on what the same
diaper that she was wearing when whenshe was home and it was had been

(10:15):
soiled, she had been changed,So I think so obviously there's there's something
wrong here. Yeah, the biologicalparents should be changing the diaper, diaper,
making sure that she's she's a twoyear old, right, you know,
it's supervised, right, so ifsomething's wrong, if if if like

(10:35):
and then the super the the personwho's who's watching over the visit, they're
supposed to be taking notes and like, yeah, if anything happens, you
should know what happens. So ifshe has scratches on her cheek, you
should know how that happens. Youshould know exactly how that happened, right,
Yeah, because that's I mean,that's yeah, it could have just

(10:56):
been an accident, but you needto make note of everything. You should
have been watching, So you shouldn'tknow what you should have known what happened
because you should have been watching toobserve the parent, like the parents.
So that tells me that you're notpaying attention to what's going on properly,
that's right. Yeah, right,So I mean, so that's the issue
already now. In September twenty nineteen, Eric and Jamie Joe Hiles were contacted

(11:20):
by DCYF and were advised that Oakleywas going to be placed back with her
biological parents in January twenty twenty.Right, Oh, that's worried now to
them, very warning. They wereextremely concerned, especially with how quickly Oakley
was to be returned to Jordan andAndrew. So you know, you're looking

(11:43):
at what three four months, atransition of three four months. Yeah,
let's be clear. Oakley, she'sbeen with Eric and Jamie Joe since basically
she was a baby, right,that's her family that she knows, right,
and so to transition her to backto her biological parents, I think

(12:05):
they were concerned about, you know, how are we gonna how is this
transition gonna happen? Are we doingit? Too quickly. How's Oakley gonna
take to this? Right? Yeah, how's it gonna affect her? You
know, how's it gonnaffect her?First and foremost? Exactly exactly So,
because of this, the Hiles didhave a meeting with two social workers from
DCYF. When the Holes brought upconcerns about neither Jordan or Andrew being employed,

(12:31):
they were were poorly told that Oakleywas not their child, and being
poor isn't a reason for someone tonot have their child, ah, but
it kind of is, because ifyou can't provide for your child. I
understand obviously, if you're looking afteryour child really well, when the child

(12:52):
is fed and the child is lookedafter and clean, then yes, I
do agree with that. But yeah, if you're not able to provide for
that child and give it a stablehome like that, so far, they
haven't got the best record of it, have they. So I would say,
I mean, obviously, you don'twant to split up families, You

(13:13):
really don't. You don't, Yeah, you don't want to split families up,
and the people do try really hard. Just because they're poor doesn't mean
to say that they're not good parents. But in this case, so far
that the track record hasn't been thegreatest. So I would say proceed with
caution. I would say, ratherthan rush into it. I think that
would be fair. I think that'dbe very fair. Yeah, because,
yeah, you know what one reasona person shouldn't have their child be how

(13:39):
about a history of domestic violence?That is one red flag which should immediately
need to put the brakes on,right. Yeah. So back in July
twenty eighteen, Andrew Carlson had beenarrested on fourth degree assault after attacking Jordan
Bowers. Right, oh no now. Andrew ordered by the court to obtain

(14:01):
domestic domestic violent evaluation within ninety daysof release and to enter and successfully complete
the recommended treatment program. In Maytwenty nineteen, the domestic violent treatment program
Carlson was enrolled in wrote a letterto DCYF that stated, this letter is
to notify you of mister Carlson's failureto comply with his domestic violent treatment program.

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Mister Carlson had failed to attend hisgroup session since April one, twenty
nineteen. This has resulted in misterCarlson's discharge from our program. So he
didn't complete his program. He probablystarted it and then he decided he didn't
need any more stop showing up,right, So this is against court orders,

(14:48):
but this isn't enough. Yeah,No, if I was a family
like a family liaison officer, ifI was somebody like that in child services,
I would not be comfortable in releasingthat child back into a family home
like that where you've got somebody who'sgot a history of recent domestic violence but
also hasn't done everything he can tomake things right and to go through everything

(15:13):
to prove that he isn't going tobe doing that again and that it was
if that's what he says, likea one off. Not that I'm excusing
that, I'm not excusing it atall. But what I'm saying is,
you know, people make mistakes,and people are in certain situations and they
react to certain ways. Had hegone completely all the program and done everything
he could to prove that that's notwhat he was about, you would think

(15:35):
differently. But that sound like that'sgoing to be the case here. Yeah.
Now, Following this, DC YFwould complete a detailed report regarding Jordan
Bowers and Andrew Crossing, which wouldbe filed as a sealed confidential report with
the courts right so it was sealedand it was not released. Now,

(15:58):
the Proskian attorney in the Andrew Carlsoncase would file a petition to revoke,
a petition to revoke facts of Stipulationnumber one. Now. This petition stated
that the defendant has failed to provideverification he has obtained a domestic violence evaluation
or has followed the recommended treatment program. The state therefore requests a finding that

(16:18):
the defendant has violated the terms ofthe stipulation to the facts, that the
court review the police reports herein pursuantto said stipulation and find the defendant guilty
as charged. Dear, that neverhappened. So he was never found It
did not happen. He was notfound guilty as charged. Right now.

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On October nineteenth, twenty nineteen,Oakley would have her first unsupervised visit with
Jordan and Andrew. Concerns over theseunsupervised visits would quickly rise to the surface.
After a visit on October twenty six, this is just the second unsupervis
visit that she had with Jordan andAndrew. Oakley would return to the hile
stating that there was violence between Jordanand Andrew. Oakley stated that she saw

(17:11):
Jordan hit Andrew over a video thatOakley Oakley was watching on one of their
phones. So so, not onlyis there violence between Andrew attacking Jordan,
Jordan's attacking Andrew, they're doing thisin front of Oakley. Oakley is not
the only only child. She alsohas a older sister, So so this

(17:32):
is occurring in front of multiple children. Now, this is huge red flags
to me. Huge huhue. I'mnot liking where this case is going.
You're not gonna like this at all. Angel Freese, this is the social
worker that was assigned to Oakland.Oakley's case was contented by Jamie Joe over
the incident. Now, Angela wouldsimply respond that there were no concerns and

(17:55):
that Oakley loved her mom and dad. There's no concern I'm not even I'm
not I don't even work for them, but I'm concerned. That's ridiculous,
should be, that's ridiculous. Anykind of violence in front of children is
not acceptable. It's not acceptable.I mean, it gets worse, and

(18:17):
it almost seems like DCIF almost doublesdown on this, right, So they're
like, oh, there's no problemsthat you know, we don't have any
concerns. Oakley loves her parents.She's gonna be safe. Right. On
November six, Jamie Joe would onceagain email the social worker Angela Freeze as
well as supervisor Catherine Eddie to stateshe heard that that overnight visits were going
to begin shortly and that she wasconcerned since the domestic violence incident between Bowers

(18:42):
and Carlson had just happened. Shealso stated her concerns that things were moving
too quickly, which they were.Angela Fries responded by letting Jamie Joe know
that Oakley will be in fact reunitingwith her biological parents even earlier than expected,
with a new date of Nobles Novembertwenty ninth, twenty nineteen. So

(19:03):
that same month, like twenty threedays later, she was going with her
biological parents, right, that's bad. Three days later, on November ninth,
Oakley would have her first overnight visitwith Jordan and Andrew. So they
it's almost like like we're just gonnaspeed this up. We're gonna get on
with the biological parents. I thinkthat they're annoyed with with the faster parents,

(19:23):
the Hiles. That's what it soundslike to me, the Hiles must
have been beside themselves because you know, they have not this. They don't
have the right to say no,you can't take her, and you can't
you can't do that with her.And that's letting a child go knowing that
there is there's violence and there's dangerand the child is not going to be

(19:47):
looked after properly. Must be theymust feel so powerless, and that's awful
because they would have grown very veryattached to her, you know, over
two years. I know foster parentsare great at what they do, but
you must be you must be attachedto them. You must, Yeah,
like you feel like like the Hilesat this point were Oakley's only advocate,

(20:14):
right I feel like, ye,the social workers they were being an advocate
for the family reuniting right there.So they're they sounds like they're they're more
of being an advocate towards the bioloctricalparents. But the person who needs the
advocate more than anyone else in thesituation is Oakley and the only only two
people that are being her advocate orthe foster parents at this point. It's

(20:40):
really sad. It's like, Idon't see how they're not seeing these red
flags, or they're not taking noteof it, or they're not caring.
I don't have the I mean,they must care, it's their job.
I mean, they must care.But how are they missing how how are
they missing all of these these things? I mean I would straight away as

(21:02):
soon as there's any hint of violencein a in a family, you don't
look at giving a kid back there, you don't. I don't understand.
I just have this feeling that they'regoing by by the book, right,
the spo. This is this ishow we handle these situations. These are
the steps, this is what wedo, and you can't deviate from these

(21:23):
plans. Right, So we're we'regoing to put a put a plan together
to have her reunited with her biologicalparents, which I would say, in
any normal situation, if the parentsare doing what they need to do to
prove that they are able to takecare of a child, that they are
going to be able to provide asafe flighting home. Yeah, I agree,
do it? I agree? Absolutely? Do it? I mean so

(21:47):
far, yeah, this is onlyI mean, we're looking at snapshots here,
right, so this isn't the wholepicture, but these little snapshots snapshots
are painting a huge painting right oftwo people who h are responsible. They
they they they are a danger totheir children. Yeah, it's worrying,

(22:11):
which is frustrating. Yeah, it'svery worrying. Now Oakley would place be
placed with their bioelectrical preparents. OnNovember twenty nineteen, as stated, Okay,
now do you remember just a littlebit ago I mentioned the detailed report
that was completed by DCYF and itwas filed as a sealed confidential report.

(22:37):
Well, we actually know some ofwhat was in it now, Okay.
So on July twenty seventh, twentytwenty, there was a custody hearing,
but not in relation, not inrelation to Oakley's case. This was another
custody hearing that was that was occurringin the court system. One of the
councils actually made reference to to Oakley'sreport during the hearing. Okay, And

(23:06):
it was learned that this report actuallydid express concerns about Jordan Bowers and Andrew
Carlson. Okay, Now, init we didn't find out that whoever put
this report together did state that thatJordan Bowers had recently been ordered to undergo
your analysis and the only copy inthis report was ineligible, not ill ineligible

(23:34):
eligible, so you can't even liketell what the results were, okay,
right. There was also a notethat stated that Jordan Bower has made a
comment to her social worker that sheknew how to pass your analysis, right,
which almost in the case that sheknows how to fake it or she
knows how to like, yeah,of course, if somebody's saying I know

(23:56):
how to pass it, then thatmeans you know how to cheat it.
That's basically what you're saying. No, exactly right right now. The Council
also received copies of letters which weredated June twenty fourth, twenty twenty written
that that were written that stated thatJordan Bowers indicated that she and mister Carlson

(24:19):
had completed court ordered services. However, the Council at that time had never
received any actual written documentation from treatmentagencies. In addition, it was reported
that Jordan Bowers was to receive twodomestic violence assessments. The first assessment recommended

(24:41):
one year of domestic violence treatment.After that, Jordan Bowers apparently obtained a
second domestic violent assessment that concluded noservices were necessary. This is really strange,
however, it was determined that JordanBowers was not honest in her account
of reporting domestic violence, and it'snot known if she actually ever participated any

(25:04):
in any domestic violence counseling. Soit was also noted that there was concerns
about Jordan Bowers and Andrew Carlson meetingthe needs of their disabled child. So
this is actually Oakley's older sister specificallynoting that they had failed to attend an

(25:27):
appointed to attend an appointment at maryBridge Hospital although they had been giving a
gas card to attend. So theyhave a special needs child that required medication,
that required that required frequent doctor's visits, and they weren't providing that to
their daughter. So why on earthif that's the case, why on earth

(25:51):
for they consider him putting a childwho is in a safe foster family home
back with parents that aren't able toprovide basic necessity, you know, necessary
treatment to their disabled child. One, why is that disabled child still with
them? And two why are theyeven considering letting Oakley go back with them?

(26:12):
That's that doesn't make any sense tome, zero sense. This was
in their report, this is whatthey reported. Yeah, so you're basically
putting that child in danger. Youare choosing to put that child in a
situation where the parents can't cope forwhatever reason. They're not coping. They're
not they're not providing adequate care fortheir children for whatever reason they have.

(26:37):
You know, that doesn't that Idon't understand. That doesn't make sense,
zero sense at all at all.It's not like it's not like this wasn't
known that that that no idea thatyou were aware of all they've written the
They've written the report themselves exactly exactly. Now, on December twenty fifth,

(27:06):
twenty twenty, Oakley would spend Christmaswith her family this is Jordan and Andrew,
of course, at the home ofher grandparents, Fred and Kate Carlson.
Now, according to Kate, Oakleydid not look well at the time.
Oakley had dark circles under her eyes, she had pale skin, and
that she had scratches or sores allover her face. Now a month later,

(27:32):
Jamie Joe would call d CYF afterseeing a photo of Oakley from December
of twenty twenty. An associated thefamily of the family showed her the photo,
who had actually received it from KateCarlson. Oakley's biological grandmother, it
appeared that she had a black eye. Jamie Joe had also heard rumors that
Andrew Carlson had been fired from hisjob for drug use. Now Jamie Joe

(27:56):
would consult with Elma Elma Police ChiefSusan Schultz and asked for advice. Now,
Chief Schultz told her that she personallycould not do a welfare check on
Oakley as oak for Washington was outof her jurisdiction, but that Jamie could
call the Washington of DC YF.Yeah, as in a sheriff from the

(28:18):
county would go up to Oakley's residence. Now Jamie would call DCYF and spoke
to intake worker Morgan Airtis. Now, he spoke sternly to Jamie Joe and
let her know that since she didnot witness any incident's firsthand, he presumed
that her information was inaccurate and toldher she could get in trouble for making

(28:40):
false reports. Jamie Joe told himshe was a manditated, mandated reporter by
profession and was very concerned for Oakley'ssafety. So as a teacher, she's
required. I don't know, Ihave no idea. Well, I mean,
I guess, you know, ifyou look at it. Okay,
well this is coming from the fosterfamily, so they're just trying to get

(29:00):
her back in. But surely afoster family, they do it out of
love. They do it to carefor children. They're there, they provide
a safe area, they provide aservice foster parent parents. So if a
foster parent comes to you and says, I've got concerns, surely you should

(29:22):
you should you should follow that upbecause they're a foster family. They're taking
in a child from a troubled home. It is in the key word in
that the whole thing was family.I mean they might not be biological parent,
they were her parents. They wereher foster parents, right, That
was Oakley's family. So yeah,they're going to have They're gonna have concern

(29:48):
for her. They're gonna want tomake sure that she that she is safe
and that she's in a loving home. And when there are concerns, she's
gonna bring them up. And regardlessif this was a the family, regardless
of if she witnessed it or not, she has every right to report it.
Is he saying that, hey,I saw a little girl walking down

(30:10):
the street and you know she wasall bruised and looked like she had been
smacked and she was blood Are younot supposed to report that to anyone?
Is that what he's saying? BecauseI didn't see what happened, That's right.
It just seems ridiculous. It justseems like they're just rubbishing it off

(30:30):
all the time. If somebody comesto with concerns, what's the harm and
just going, you know, goingthrough their concerns, check it exactly,
Rather be safe than sorry. Yeah, just because you place her back with
the family doesn't mean that your thecase. Your case with Oakley is closed
exactly, you know, you know, yeah, especially, I mean we're

(30:52):
talking it's been a year since she'sbeen back with with Jordan Andrew, right.
Yeah, you used to have aresponsible to check in to make sure
things are going well, to seeif if there's anything that they need to
be helped with, if they needany sort of counseling. Yeah. You
can't just put a child back backwith a family, a family who she's

(31:15):
only known with, like for themost part, with supervised visitations like once
a week maybe, yeah or other. I don't know what it is.
There's a reason that foster family isinvolved because that original family does have issues,
so you have to try and supportthem as a family. That's the
whole point in having a foster familyis that the child can be taken out

(31:36):
of the situation, so the situationcan be made better, and then the
child can be safely integrated back intothe family once things are working correctly.
You don't just drop the kid offand then leave them go. Yeah,
if you go onto your own devices, especially when somebody comes to you,
ss, I've got concerns. Hello, Yeah, Like honestly, like if

(31:56):
if Jamie Joe was just Oakley's teacher, right, she is mandated to report
that, yeah, yeah, toChildren Protective Services, right, Yeah,
it's her requirement. So are yougoing to tell me that if a teacher
reports a concern to you, thatyou're going to blow it off as well?

(32:17):
Yeah, that's just wrong. Like, is are you blowing off because
Jamie Joe had been her foster mother? Is that why you're blowing it off?
It makes it makes no sense.It doesn't know You're right, it
doesn't make any sense, and it'sit's frustrating, and it's it's but this

(32:37):
kid is being harmed, you know, this is this is before anything serious
happens to this kid. This kidis obviously not very well. The kid
obviously isn't being taken taken care ofcorrectly, and you need to get you
need to do something about it beforethis kid is seriously harmed, Before anything
happens to this kid. That's irreversible. You know, this is the red

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flag's coming up, the preempting.You're supposed to step in now and say,
Okay, I'll go and check itand we'll see what we can do.
If everything's fine and the kid's fine. Your worries were unfat everything's fine,
okay, great, So then thefoster mum's gonna go away thinking,
Okay, they've checked, everything's okay. Maybe I was just being too you
know, too predictive, but weif not. No, yeah, pluly

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right, So this happened. Thisall happened in January, right, January
twenty twenty one, March twenty twentyone, So this is honestly it's less
than two months later, DCYF wouldcontact Jamie Joe and asked her if she
had seen Oakley or her sixteen yearold sister. Okay, so they're calling

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Jamie Joe, Hey, have youseen Oakley? Jamie Joe would tell them
that she had not and was notinvolved in the lives of her biological family.
Now, DCYF would not tell herwhy they were asking, But we
do know now that DCYF did actuallyopen a case on Oakley after Jamie Joe

(34:07):
had called in January. Now,during their investigation and looking into this,
they would discovered that the last knownsighting of Oakley occurred on February tenth,
twenty twenty one, by a personassociated with Jordan Bowers and Andrew Carlson.
Okay, so no one had seenthere, we had No one had seen

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Oakley since mid February. No oneknew where she was. They contact Jamie
Josie if she had seen her,No, she hadn't seen her or her
six year old sister. No oneknows where they are. So what do
you think DCYF would do at thispoint? So where's the parents? If
they contacted the oversely, Oh theygot a hold of parents. Yeah,

(34:52):
yeah, so they got a holdof her parents. They get they're saying
that Oa Oakley's fine. You know, there's gonna be always excuses, right,
Oakley's with her grandparents, Oakley's witha friend, right, So DCYF
has this investigation. They don't knowwhere Oakley is. They contact foster mother
to say, hey, where whereis she? Do you know where she
is? Have you seen her?No? No, No, So with

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that information DCYF would go ahead andclose their case on Oakley with without seeing
her. What at the end ofMarch twenty twenty one. No, you
then contact the police and you geta welfare check downe and you get them
to prove where the child is.Nope, didn't happen. They never saw
Oakley and they closed the case.Who are these people? I don't have

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no idea. That is crazy easyto be child protective services. You're supposed
to be is in the title protectchildren? You know what? There's no
protection you zero protection? So whereis she? Zero? On November sixth,
twenty twenty one, Andrew Carlson wouldcall nine one one at four fifty

(36:05):
four pm to report a fire attheir family home after the fire had been
extinguished. Now, according to Andrew, the fire had begun around ten am
when Oakley was playing with a cigarettelighter. Yes, he actually claimed that
he spent four hours putting out thefire. Oh, come on, he

(36:30):
said that he couldn't They couldn't callearlier because they couldn't find their cell phones.
Well, no neighbors could call nono next door to the neighbors and
get them to call none one one. Yeah, apparently not right. So
so we're talking he said, forwhat time I say, is like ten
am. So we're talking six sevenhours later, right, So for those

(36:53):
hours he was he was fighting thefire. He was he's playing Andrew Carlson
was requirement right, No, shewas apparently Actually Jordan was there. Jordan,
you know, Jordan report the samething to the police, like,
oh yeah, we're you know,trying to put the fire right. Which
you look at this fire and it'sjust like, come on, serious,

(37:14):
like they're little. There was afire. There was a fire. There's
pictures of the fire. But it'slike there's a lot wrong with this right.
The other thing is fire investigators whenthey did go the scene after Andrew
said, hey, don't worry aboutsending out the fire department. It's under
control. I just wanted to reportthat there was a fire. But it's

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this sounds like alibi. Make himto me exactly. He says, don't
send anyone out, We're good.Well, they send someone out, so
fire investigators would go out and theyactually determined that the fire had begun in
the microwave and not the couch that'sclaimed by Andrew. So Andrew's lying about
how the fire is starting, lyingabout you know why they couldn't call the
fire department. There's no way thatthat they were fighting was fire for four

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hours and no one noticed, andno one else phone normal one. That's
a lot. It's insane, Yeah, it is insane. Now, after
learning about the fire, Jessica Swift, who was the principal of Oakville Elementary
School this is where Oakley's older sisterwent, Yeah, promptly visited the family

(38:22):
to deliver supplies. Now, duringher forty five minutes stay, Jessica would
ask about Oakley and was informed thatOakley was in her room. She never
saw her, by the way,never saw her. On a later visit
at home, just a few dayslater, Jessica noticed that Oakley was once
again nowhere to be found. Now. On December fourth, twenty twenty one,

(38:44):
Oakley's six year old sister would goto Jessica Swift's home for a playdate
in sleepover. When Swift asked aboutOakley, her sister got upset and stated,
Oakley is no more. When Swiftasked about Oakley again, her sister
said Oakley went to live with herfoster parents that she had lived with before.

(39:05):
Right, so now you have asix year old sister who's well,
Oakley is no more or she's nowback, yes, not around exactly now.
Deputies later confirmed with Swift that Oakleywas no longer in foster care and
was not with the foster family now. Based on this information, Jessica Swift

(39:25):
would contact Gray's Harbor County Sheriff's officeto report her concerns for oakley safety and
requested a welfare check. Now.Two days later, on December sixth,
officers with the Tumwater Police Department initiateda welfare check for Oakley and interviewed Oakley's
parents in their hotel room at theExtended Stay of America in Tumwater, Washington.

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Now. During the interview, Andrewwould tell police that Oakley was in
the care of his parents, butwhen asked to provide contact information for his
parents, he was unable to oh, come on mm hmm. When authorities
did reach out to Andrew's father,he told them that they had not seen
or spoken to Oakley since Christmas twentytwenty. Andrew did not seem surprised that

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Oakley was not with his parents,and then Jordan and Bauers on You Know
Lovely, Jordan Bowers refused to actuallyassist authorities in any of their questioning.
Now, according to court documents,an examination of Jordan's Bower's cell phone,
all data on her phone had beenerased after a factoryset around twelve pm on

(40:30):
December sixth. Now this was thisactually occurred shortly after the welfare check in
an interview by tom Water police.So after the police came for the welfare
check, talked to them, shedeleted everything on our phone and did a
factory reset. Not suspicious. Atthree point thirty one pm on December sixth,

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an officer confirmed that Jordan Bowers andAndrew Carlson left their hotel with their
two year old son and returned totheir home at seven one seven seven Bartel
Road. There, Andrew Carlson wouldcall the Thurston County non emergency line to
report Oakley as missing. Is totell them that they had not seen her
since November thirtieth, twenty twenty one. We take that two year old kid

(41:17):
away from them straight away immediately.You know when you watch those TV programs
and they have to beep out theperson because they're being you know, they're
cursing so much. Literally, thatis how I feel. I feel you're
going to have to do to me, because to me, this is completely
foreseeable. You know, you couldhave you could have, you could have

(41:40):
you could have guessed that this iswhat was coming, you know, as
a normal person who isn't I'm notqualified in child services. I know that
they've got boxes to tick, andthey've got and they're good people. They're
doing a good job. They're tryingto do a good job. Should I
say, but this is completely avoidable. This is this is something thing that

(42:00):
could have been prevented. That's theword prevented. It makes me so angry
that this has been allowed to happen, and it has this has been allowed.
This child was in a safe environmentwith a family who loved her and
a family who let her go andbe integrated back with her for actual family,

(42:21):
and it wasn't working. Things weren'tright, There were red flags,
there were reports to say things weren'tright. How the hell has this been
allowed to happen? How This ismajor, major failing for that child here
failing. This is Oakville, Washington. Oakville, Washington is a very smart

(42:42):
community. This is a very rawarea. We're not talking about this happening
in Seattle. We're not talking aboutthis happening in Tacoma where you can see.
Okay, yeah, maybe children Protectthe services are overwhelmed because the number
of yeah, I understand, yeah, children in the system. This is
small community, right, So reasonthere must be that that that social worker,

(43:10):
whoever it was, she must havehad concerns. She must have done
I've got concerns and I'm not trained. Yeah, you've got concerns and you're
not trained. You know. Sopeople have comeing to them saying, I'm
concerned about the welfare of this child, you know, I'm worried. Can
you please look into it. No, we're just going to shut the case

(43:31):
because you can't find her. Well, what do you mean you can't find
her? And what do you meanyou shut the case? It's not good
enough, it's not good enough.And how many other kids is this happening
too, even just in America?How many kids? How many kids are
being failed by this system? Andwhy? Why? Look? I hate

(43:52):
these cases I do. I hateit, but we have to do these
cases because it's wrong. Yeah,it's important. These are these are these
are people in our our society thatneed to be protected because they cannot protect
themselves. Exactly, it's a childwho cannot protect themselves. But not only

(44:14):
that in this in this situation,you have other adults that are looking at
this saying I'm worried. Can youplease just do something? I'm worried about
this child. It's not as ifthis is this family is sort of in
the middle of nowhere that nobody knowsabout, you know. It's seems to
have been allowed to happen on aon a tiny little ranch somewhere or whatever,

(44:35):
you know, that nobody visits.And it isn't like that somebody is
calling and saying, I'm worried.I'd like to report something because I'm worried
about this child. Please check them, and they're doing sod all. It's
ridiculous. It's absolutely ridiculous. Imean, it's really bad, really really
bad. How do you sleep atnight? Isn't I don't know. I

(44:57):
if it were me, if doubt, if I was a social worker and
I and this felt under my watchor my care. You should be fired.
Oh yeah, you should be fired. You're not good enough to do
your job. You should lose yourjob for that. Absolutely. Now,
when giving statements to law enforcements,Andrew Carlson did make statements to the effect

(45:21):
of Oakley being dead or not comingback. So, I mean he's basically
admitting, like, you know,she's gone at this point, I I
really hope that at the end ofthis episode, you're going to tell me
that he got sent to prison andhad prison justice. That would make me
feel a lot better. You know, good, how are you? We'll

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get to that now. Following thesedevelopments, law enforcement officials obtained a search
warrant and proceeded to the to Oakley'shome. Now, inside they an absence
of toys and clothing specific to Oakley, unlike for the other children in the
home, which when I read that, I immediately member the story we did

(46:09):
store of Cody, right, Iwas thinking exactly the same thing, just
like, that's so awful. Thatis a huge, huge sign that something's
wrong. Yeah. Now, Additionally, traces of blood were found on the
blinds the front door, and therewas a handprint that was discovered on the

(46:30):
wall in the downstairs hallway. Now, please have never disclosed identity of the
individual to whom the blood belonged.However, these findings did lead them to
suspect that foul plate might have beeninvolved. Oh no, shit, sherlock.
Exactly. At five ten pm thatsame evening, so it's still December

(46:54):
sixth, Jordan Bowers would be bookedinto Gray's Harbor County Jail for aduction of
an officer as well as on suspicionof first degree manslaughter. At nine thirty
pm, Andrew Carlson would then bebooked into Gray's Harbor County Jail on suspicion
of first degree manslaughter. Now,during the investigation into the disappearance of Oakley

(47:16):
Carlson, the Great Harbor County Sheriff'sOffice announced that Bowers and Carlson faced additional
charges of abandonment of a dependent personin the second degree after investigators discovered evidence
the parents had not been providing medicationprescribed to their six year old daughter for
fifteen months. There's a whole listof things I think they should be being

(47:37):
charged with. Gross misconduct, Theabuse, neglect, is just disgusted.
Was worth it though? This mesticmedication wasn't necessary for the child's health and
going without it put her at riskof physical impairment which could eventually result in
death. Now death, Yeah,of course that child needed medication. But

(48:01):
unfortunately, when when they made thisannouncement, Bowers and Carlston were no longer
being held on charge of the firstdegree manslaughter, so they had been released,
which is not you know, itnot shocking because they're still doing the
investigation. There's there's no there's noproof or evidence that that Oakley had been

(48:23):
killed. So but there's circumstantial evidenceis to say that that, I mean,
even on neglect charges, you know, failure to provide you know,
had to quot medication. Oh dear, this is just terrible. Yeah.
Now, in December tenth, twentytwenty one, DCYF would take hair follical

(48:46):
samples from Oakley's six year old sisterin two year old brother to submit for
analysis. The test would reveal substantialamounts of methamphetamine in both hair follical samples,
indicating that children had been exposed tothe drug within the last three months.
So two year old child, thatsix year two year old child had

(49:07):
been exposed to methan vetamine and thiswas this is after all, this ship
has happened, right, so all, after all this stuff with with with
Oakley, these two fucking assholes areexposing their kids to methamphetamine. One of
these kids who has medication that's afucking requirement they're not given to her.

(49:30):
So you're telling me the abuse abuse. You're telling me that these two people
were responsible adults that Oakley should havebeen in the care of. And also,
please tell me that they didn't letthem them go back and look after
those two kids, a six yearold and two year old. Please tell
me that they'd taken those two awayafter Oakley disappeared. Yeah, they were

(49:52):
still No, they still had,they were still had of their two kids
because they so they tested they testedhim in which means that sometime between December
and say September, they had beendoing methanphetamine with the children around. So
they still had they still had,you know, parental rights, at least

(50:14):
parental rights to these kids. Thatshould never that should never have been allowed.
As soon as there was any hintof something happening to Oakley, those
kids should have been taken away asa matter of safety. And if you're
a good parent and you did nothingwrong. You should understand that because you
should want what was best few kids. That's just crazy. Yeah, this

(50:36):
is complete other ship. I meanit really is. It really is bad.
This might be one of one ofthe worst cases we've done. I'm
not joking. It's just it's justvery it's just preventable. I don't understand
how how that child has been failedso many times. M hm, So

(50:59):
we don't know what happened over NeitherJordan or Andrew have have been recharged from
manslatter, but in February twenty twentytwo, Bowers and Carlson were actually charged
on two counts of endangerment with acontrolled substance in one count another count of
endangerment. Now they would both pleadnot guilty on all charges, which is

(51:21):
fucking insane, right, oh wow. Luckily they were both eventually found guilty.
Andrew Carlson would be sentenced to twelvemonths in prison for two counts of
endangerment with a cold controlled substance forexposing his children to methamphetamine. He would
be released from prison early in Augusttwenty twenty two. You know why,

(51:45):
because he had no criminal record.Oh please, you remember that domestic domestic
violence charge that went away. Becausethat went away, they're like, Oh,
he has no previous previous charge,so he's eligible for early release.
Look what he's in there for.Look what he's in there for. You
don't he shouldn't be eligible for releaseearly. He's in therefore in danger in

(52:07):
a child, for God's sake,I don't care. If you don't have
a criminal history, you're an arshole. You deserve to be in prison.
Yeah, you're not a good guybackground you don't have. It's so stupid.
I don't advocate violence very often,but in this situation, I advocate
violence on a huge scale against thatguy. I know. I understand when

(52:30):
you look at somebody A lot ofthe time, and I understand the argument
when you look at an abuser,you have to go back in their life
to find out at one point theywere probably a victim psychologically, they've been
damaged at a young age to youknow, enable them to become the abuser
later on in life. A lotof the time, not every time,
but a lot of the time,there is something in their backstory that doesn't

(52:52):
excuse it. In my mind,that doesn't excuse hurting or endangering or you
know, mistreating a child because youwere treated badly when you were younger.
There were so many people that couldhave helped this situation, so many professionals
that should have been involved as soonat the very beginning of this, and

(53:14):
they were involved and they didn't seeit. How can you not see this?
No, I don't understand how thishas been missed. I don't know.
It's insane. So for Jordan Bauers, she would end up pleading guilty
to endangement with a controlled substance andwould be sentenced to twenty months on these

(53:37):
charges. Okay, Now, shewould be released in January twenty twenty three,
but listen to this shit, Okay. After being released, just minutes
later, she would be rearrested ondebty, theft and fraud charges, so
she went right back to jail,and then in August twenty twenty three,

(54:00):
so just a few months ago,she would be sentenced to forty three months
in prison on those in danty theftand fraud charges. Well, to be
honest, I'm glad. I'm gladthat they got I don't care. Get
her on whatever you can and justkeep putting her ass back in jail,
because she should not be walking thestreets free because she's you know, if

(54:20):
she's let out free again, she'sperfectly able to get pregnant again and have
more children again. There's going tobe nothing against I just don't get why
they didn't take those kids away earlier, Why this should be as soon as
this woman has another child, childprotecting services take that child because she clearly
isn't fit to be a mother.She clearly isn't, whether that's because of

(54:42):
trauma that she's suffered, whatever reason, she isn't in a position to provide
a safe environment for that child,and she shouldn't be allowed. I think
I think they are both evil,evil people. Are they both free?
Now? Yeah? No, she'snot. She's obviously she is not.

(55:02):
I he is. Okay. So, at the time that she was sentenced
to forty three months, some moreinformation came out, and this had been
This came up from from both ofOakley's siblings that claim that their mother had
kept Oakley and basically a cell underthe stairs that physically abused her. Okay,

(55:30):
so this was this was this wastold to the police by her six
year old older sister as well asan older half sibling. Right, So
two siblings told police this. Theystated that that none of the children were
safe with their mom, that shewas a dangermous danger to them. Yeah,

(55:50):
right, obviously, and Jordan Bowershad told the kids to not talk
about Oakley and that she had goneout into the woods and had been eaten
by wolves. Oh honestly, Morgan, this story is just so infuriating.

(56:12):
I'm so angry, and I canimagine that anybody else listening to this is
probably swearing at whatever medium they listento this on, because this is just
I don't even I don't even haveany words. I'm going to give you
one more thing that that will frustrateyou, and oh great, like I'm

(56:37):
going I'm and this is going tobe I don't think I've done this before.
I don't think I've ever done likea real call to action. Maybe
one, But I think this isa very important call to action, and
it's going out to anyone in thestate of Washington that's listening to this.
Okay. Last January, so Januarytwenty twenty three, House Built three nineteen,

(56:59):
which was the Oakley Curlson Act,was put forward and refer to the
Human Services, Youth and Early LearningCommittee Okay. Now, if passed,
this bill would protect foster children bycreating a five point system of support to

(57:20):
check in on children in the processof being returned to their biological families.
It would also it would also mandatedrug testing for families who are reunited re
unified with their children. Okay,Yeah, so a wonderful, wonderful bill.
I think it's something. It's Ithink it's important. I think there

(57:40):
needs to be checks. I thinkthere needs we need to make sure that
children who are being reunited with theirbiological families that they are being put into
the best situation. Yes, thefamilies can take care of them, they
can provide for them, they cangive them a safe, loving environment.
So wonderful bill. Well, guesswhat. That bill died in committee.

(58:07):
It was never even brought forth toto how do we, how can we,
how can we what can we doabout that? Is this something that
we can do? Look, ifyou are in the state of Washington,
even if you're not in the stateof Washington, you need this needs to
be across the country. We needto reach out to our state representatives.

(58:29):
Yes, we need to let themknow that, especially in Washington, where
this has already been brought forth,it went to committee, it died in
committee. You need to talk toyour state representatives. You need to tell
them how important this bill is toour children, that this is something that
needs to get passed. It needsto be put into law. Remind me
of what we need to particular.What's the bill called again, House Bill

(58:52):
three ninety seven. It's the OakleyCarlson Act. Right, So, if
you're listening to this, no matterwhere you are in the USA, go
to your state, email your staterepresentative. Do it. Email them right
now, Email them and tell themabout this bill, and tell them how
important that this needs to be.It needs to be put into action.

(59:13):
We can't let any more kids befailed. It's an email, that's all
it is. It's just an email. It's going to take two minutes of
your time. Just do it.Even we will even draft up the letter
for you and put it on oursocials so you can just copy and paste
it. Just please, if youcan do it, do it because there
are little children across the whole ofthe USA that are going to be in

(59:35):
this situation, and there's something thatwe as human beings can do about that.
This happens more than you know horrific. Not every child disappears, not
every child is killed, but thenumber of times that children are reunited with
biological families who end up backing thesystem because of yeah, drug abuse,

(59:59):
because of domestic violence, because ofviolence against the child is horrendous. I'm
not saying that that that children whoare are in the foster system that are
under true you know, child ProtectedServices, should never go back with their
biological families. But what I'm sayingis we need to make sure that that

(01:00:22):
when they do, it is inthe benefit of the child. Yes,
what is what is best for thechild. In this case with Oakley,
Oakley was taken from her family andgiven to her biological family. Her family
with Eric and Jamie Joe. Theyhad taken care of her since she was

(01:00:43):
a baby. She grew into atoddler with them. She was safe,
she was in a loving house.There were warning signs, red flags from
the very beginning that Jordan and Annaand Drew, we're dangerous, dangerous parents.

(01:01:06):
Yeah, and you let two otherkids, three other kids, yeah,
stay with them after all of this, you put them in a situation
where they are, you know,being exposed to methanthetamine. If Oakley was
being abused. Why the hell whenyou think that the other ones weren't being

(01:01:29):
abused. It's wrong. It iswrong. It's horrific. It's terrible.
But there's something that we can doabout this. You know, we can
do something about this. We needsomething needs to be done about this.
As a as a parent, youdon't even have to you don't even have

(01:01:52):
to be a parent to realize howwrong this is. That's a human.
This story should never had happened.We should shouldn't be talking to you about
this at all. I hate this. This is horrible. This is really
horrible. I told you I hatethese cases, but we have to do
them. Yeah, because somebody wedon't talk about, nothing's gonna happen,

(01:02:13):
exactly. Somebody needs to speak upfor these kids. Somebody needs to be
a voice for them. That's justcrazy. Bless her heart, poor little
girl. Yeah, so we needI mean, and where is she?
Like, you know, where isshe? She's not resting somewhere peacefully.
She blessed her heart. It's horrific. It's just when I say her family

(01:02:39):
needs closure. We need to findthis little girl. I'm not talking about
no Jordan and Andrew I'm talking aboutthe hile. They need closure, they
need their little girl. I don'tcare. I don't care who their biological
parents are, Eric and Jamie Joe. They were Oakley's parents. Oakley was

(01:02:59):
their little girl, and the systemfailed them, and the system failed Oakley.
How many times do we have tolet the system fail before we change
something? One time fit one timethe system family wants. There's way too
many. Yeah, there's no excuse, no excuses to a zero excuse.

(01:03:22):
I hope that everyone that's responsible forputting Oakley back with Jordan Andrew. I
hope that that they have either beenmoved to another department. I hope that
they've been fired. I hope they'vetaken a new career path. I just

(01:03:43):
don't want them doing what they whatthey did, or you know what,
not what they did, what theydidn't do because of what they didn't do.
Yeah, they let a child getabused, and ultimately the blood is
partially on their hands. Yeah.I don't get like this. I don't

(01:04:08):
like it. No, I reallydon't like it. It's very important to
talk about it. I hate thecase with the kids, as most people
do. I tend not to listento cases with kids because it's really hard.
But you have to and you haveto talk about it because it's very
important. But we can't bear ourhead, can't bury our heads. No,
it's just heartbreak. How good Imean, what good is it if

(01:04:30):
we ignore it and we just wedon't talk about these things. It's you
need to talk about the hard thingsbecause that's how things get changed, and
that's that's where change starts. Yep, definitely. So I apologize that we
had to do this case this week, but I thought it was important.

(01:04:53):
Oh I don't feel like it's rightto do it dumb criminal now because I
just don't feel very cheery at all. M We don't have to. I
think we should because people look forwardto it at the end of the show.
But I just feel like that justthat was just one of those episodes.
If I was listening to this,I would have turned it off because
I just hate it. I hatethat people can be so horrible to you.

(01:05:15):
There's no excuse. I train onthe vulnerable is just there's no excuse.
Yeah. I try my best tolike not get into abuse details.
I tried my best not to.I don't think you needed to. I
think the details is bad enough.You know, that's bad enough without knowing
intimate details of what happened to thatpoor little kid. The details that I

(01:05:36):
did give, I mean, Ithink it points to picture of a yeah,
an irresponsible dad and a violent mother. I think. I think at
the end of the day, whatwe're going to learn is we have a
mother who was abusive to her childrenand a father who sat by and let

(01:05:56):
it happen. That's what I think. I'm I'm not letting I'm not letting
Andrew Carlson get a you know,go to the hook. No, no,
not at all, because he allowedit to happen. But I think
ultimately most of the abuse, thephysical abuse, I think is going to
fall on the hands of Jordan Bowersfor what reason I don't know where ever,

(01:06:21):
we will never know. She shouldbe sterilized and he should be castrated.
Those two should never be allowed tohave any more kids. I don't
understand how how they can take onechild away but let them but they have
two others the other so I knowhow it's crazy, how it makes no
sense. Shocking. Yeah, Sothat was unfortunately our case this week.

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Well I'm not going to say thankyou for it because I don't like it.
So what we're going to do nowis try and cheer things up to
be fair. Talking about anything,he's going to cheer things up more than
that case. So let's do somethingwe like to call a dumb criminal.
He dummy use a piece of shit. I was gonna say that sounded like
you then. Okay, So thisis the story of a poor local thief

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who wasn't the brightest button let's say. Now, a guy called Wellington Silver
Oliviera robbed a cook, okay likea chef, taking his wallet and his
watch. Now. He was veryupset after this because he found out that
the watch wasn't quite what he wanted, so he kept the money from the
wallet but returned to the watch,claiming to the chef, yeah, claiming

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that the watch was fake and hewasn't very happy that the watching star was
fake. So his victim went andreported the mug into the police. This
guy decides to stop at a localfootball like the Soccer football Stare and Field,
where he was still playing when thepolice arrived and arrested him. Wait

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wait wait wait wait wait wait.First off, he couldn't have just been
the watch, right, get areturn it yes, so insulted that he
still he robbed and got a fakewatch, a fake role axe, whatever
it was that. He's like hehad to make a point of saying,
hey, your piece of ship,Yeah, don't don't have me. How

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dare you? How dare you letme rob you of this fake role axe?
Yeah? And then he's so nonconcerned, he's like, I'm gonna
play a little footie. Yeah,basically in a in a football field,
literally just by where I've just robbedyou. So he probably he probably watched

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him, like there he goes,he's playing some football. Yeah, And
so then he decides to find thepolice, and he's still playing football when
the police arrived. Now the questionis, did did the police let him
finish? Or was he like didhe get a red card? I'm not
sure that wasn't That wasn't in thethat wasn't in the description. But unfortunately,

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how dare he how dare he imaginewalking out there and like presenting a
red card to him and like takinghim down off? That is crazy?
I mean, yeah, it reallyis. I mean to begin with the
returning of the other fake watch,which do we even know if it was
faked, it'd be awesome if itwasn't fake, if it was like a

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real like Rolex or something, Yeah, that'd be amazing. And then like
to just have like no concern,just like, uh yeah walk over here
to the park. Just robed you, but I'm just gonna go play football
in the park. I mean,how stupid are you going to be?
Who's like you? Like, Hey, after he gives the watch back,
Hey, may can you play goalie? That's the game game? So yeah,

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