November 14, 2023 • 49 mins
Adam Ellison was born on 7th Feb 1988, He worked at tesco in Prescot working through a management course and was described by colleagues and friends as a true gentleman. He was kind and loving and adored his family. They were a close family. Adam’s family clearly adored him.
November 2017 would be a month that the family would never forget, Adam was brutally murdered, his life stolen from him in a callous attack.
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November 2017 would be a month that the family would never forget, Adam was brutally murdered, his life stolen from him in a callous attack.
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(00:36):
Welcome to crime Pedia podcast this week, I'm your host. My name is
Cherry and with me as always ismy USA bestie. It is Morgan.
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It's definitely definitely fall now here.And they know what that means, don't
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Cherry, how about we hop intothis week's episode? What do you have
for us? So this week's episodeis not one of my usual episodes that
if you listen regularly, you knowthat I really like the older style cases,
the cold cases. This week's episodeis I found this because of a
family. I found this because ofa family sheer, gritten determination to do
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good things in the name of theyou know, their lost family member,
and I really really admire their strengthand their courage. And this is the
kind of thing that could happen toanybody, anywhere, any of us.
This is not a domestic situation.This is not where somebody is in a
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gang rivalry situation. This is aguy who is an everyday normal guy,
just going about doing every day nonormal things, when he's confronted with somebody
who is I don't even know howto describe them, to be honest,
somebody completely callous and somebody who justruins not one life, but many,
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many lives. And this week's caseis the case of Adam Ellison. Adam
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Ellison was born in the seventh ofFebruary nineteen eighty eight. He worked in
Tesco in Prescott, working through amanagement course, and was described by colleagues
and friends as a true gentleman,somebody that everybody loved. He was kind
and loving and adored his family.They were a very close family, and
Adam's family clearly adored him. BackNovember twenty seventeen would be a month that
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the family would never forget. Adamwas brought on the evening of the third
of his life I Stole seventeen twenty, Adam Elvisius was on a night out
with his case press of Adams Ellison, and Adam wasn't the sort of person
that usually would go out every weekend. It was kind of like an on
again, off again thing. Andthen eventually he decided, Yeah, okay,
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we will go out. It's justa quiet night out. It's not
a big, you know, bigcelebratory night out. However, he was
quietly excited because he had actually decidedto propose to his partner and he had
been he was I think he'd beenchatting with his sister via like Whatsapple via
text and he had found this ringset that he really wanted to get.
And it was a ring with awedding ring as well, you know,
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so that they kind of match eachother. And he had set his heart
on this this set and he wastelling her all about it, and he
was also said pictures in the puband there was I think there was a
dog in the pub or something,and he was sending pictures back and forth
and chatting also with his sister.Now, they visited several pubs around the
town that evening, but they decidedto settle in a pub called Dean's House.
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As well as them being out thatnight, there had been reports of
a group of motorcyclists that had beentearing around the town being a bit of
a nuisance, driving a bit dangerouslyand just that general. As soon as
you say that, you know thekind of you know the kind of motorcyclist
I'm talking about. Now, therewar was one bike. There were two
people on this bike and it wasa green and white Kawazaki. I would
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say it as a trials bike,but other people would call it maybe a
scrambler bike, so not like afull on motorcycle bike, you know,
like one that you'd go off inthe woods on the big thick tire tread
ones. But it didn't have thetraditional Kawazaki labeling, but it was looked
at as when you look at it, it was a distinctive green cows green
and white kawasak bike. Reports arethat I've read that the bike was pulled
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up outside a pub called the OldMeal Pub, and the pillion passenger jumped
off the back of the bike andwent over to the pub window and was
kind of like you know that whenyou put your you put your hands over
your eyes to look into a pubwindow. The person on the back,
which I'm saying is a he,because I don't believe it to be a
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woman from the reconstructions that I've seenand from the reports that I've read,
so I'm going to go with he. At this time, I went over
to the pub window and was lookingthrough, looking like he was looking for
somebody. Didn't see obviously the personhe was looking for jump back on the
back of the bike and carried on. The pub is not very far away
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from the pub that Adam and hiscousins and friend were drinking him. Around
the early hours of the fourth ofNovember, Adam and his friends were leaving
the Dean's House pub and on theirgoing to be on their way making home.
Now he had already texted his mumand said is it okay if I
stay at your house tonight, towhich it had obviously replied yes, that's
fine, and he said, youknow, I'll see you a bit later.
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So he was making his way homewith them. They were all walking
together as they approached the junction ofMarketplace, which is which you can see
on the map. I will putthe map up for people to have a
look at. You can see Marketplacethere, you can see where Dean's House
is. They've walked a long Churchstreet and there's a junction of Marketplace and
a place called Eccleston I think itwas Eccleston Street. As they got to
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the junction, this bike with thesetwo guys on it. I guess you
know, I'm saying guys, butyou know there's two people on it.
They came around the corner really fast. And as they came around the corner
fast, you know, if yousort of take a corner a bit too
wide. They took the corner reallywide and nearly knocked over Adam and his
friends. They swerved at the lastat the last minute, so of course,
like Adam and his friends are like, ah, what are you doing?
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Like you idiot, you could haveknocked us over, And they're shouting
sort of at the rider of thebike as he's as he's driven past them.
And what happens is about fifty yardsdown the road, this bike kind
of pulls over, So Adam andhis and his friends sort of you know,
what are you doing? Like younearly you nearly knocked us over,
you idiot. You're driving like anidiot. And they walk down towards the
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bike. Now, the pillion passengergot off the bike and was like arms
in the air, like woah,what you know? You idiot yourself?
Who do you think you're talking to? Kind of thing. And Adam goes
up to this guy and was like, you know what are you doing?
You could have you could have hurtus. You're driving like an idiot.
The friends of Adam kind of describedthis, this pillion passenger swinging at Adam,
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so it's kind of like throws apunch they think throws a punch at
Adam, and Adam immediately drops tothe floor, so of course this is
something they're thinking, Oh my god, and they run down the pillion guy
gets back on the bike and thebike shoots off towards Seul Street, which
is, if you look on themap, is straight down towards Tesco actually
where Adam. Adam worked. Adam'scousin when he got to him, actually
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thought that Adam had been knocked outbecause of the punch that he had just
received in the face, which isobviously uncalled for. It was just a
straight you know, what he thoughtwas a straight smack in the face.
When they got to him, theyactually realized that he had been stabbed in
the neck. Oh now, I'veactually I've actually been present at a stab
in when I was a teenager,and I can describe it exactly the same.
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The two people were, i wouldsay, maybe about two hundred yards
away from me, so I couldclearly see them, and one guy swung
what I thought was a punch tothe other guy, but actually had stabbed
him with a knife across the topof his arm and had actually stabbed,
you know, completely opened up hisarm, but from where I was standing
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and looking, it just looked likea punch. It didn't look like anything
serious. And I think that fromhow I've read this, this is the
same. But having got to him, they then realized that it's a lot
more serious than they think. Nowthis guy has jumped straight back on the
bike and they've gone so that they'renowhere to be seen. Now the cousins
and lots of passers by then callnine nine nine. Okay, all right,
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so real quick, m I hadlooked this up because he kept using
the word pillion, I had noidea pillion passenger. Sorry, oh okay,
sorry, Yeah. Basically, yeah, that the person. So there
were two people in the bike,so there was the person in the back.
Yeah, So the person in theback on that was sitting on the
pillion, which is the pad forthe for the passenger the back of the
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got off the bike confronted Adam swung. Adam went down. It turns out
he had Yeah, he'd been stabbedin the stabbed in the neck. We're
in the neck, yea up here, so it's up at the top of
the neck, so like jugular areaor yeah, very seriously, you know,
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it's a serious stab wound to hisneck. Okay, all right,
So I'm assuming it was probably twomen on the bike. That's my first
I believe, so yeah, right, yeah, I mean I can't imagine
that that a I mean, itcould happen a female get off the bike
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and front and stab someone. Butif there is as the likelihood is it
going to be likelihood is not notas likely. But yeah, so it's
you know, buddy is on theback of his buddy's bike, can dry
around being assholes and that's right,and he cps off and he stabs them.
Okay, yeah, so I'm guessingfrom what they've explained it's like a
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slash in I guess it's like aslash in motion. They believe he's been
punched, but it could be likea front you know, a front punch.
If that's the case, he's justliterally stabbed him straight in the in
the neck. So from from thereports that I've read and from the websites
and from Adam's family website, itwas it was a stab to the neck.
So whichever way he has done it, the neck is a very delicate
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area and a very dangerous area tobe shoving a knife into, you know,
it's or something. I mean,it's a dangerous, dangerous injury if
you're if you're going at someone witha knife and you're going towards the neck,
your intent is to kill there.You mean it exactly. I'm glad
you said that. That is exactly. My point in this is that that
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was intent. No. And thething is with this is that Adam is
not a person who is in trouble. He's not a person who is disliked
by people. Literally every single commentI've read about Adam has been a complimentary
comment. And I've read hundreds ofmessages from people about him, and every
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single one of them is complimentary.And they're a very tight knit family.
They're a very friendly family. There'snothing bad about them. He was and
out cause in trouble. He wasout excited with his friends. He wasn't
really drunk, He wasn't being abusiveto anybody. He was just you know,
saying to a guy, what areyou doing? You nearly knocked us
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over, which any single one ofus would do on a night out if
we were confronted with that situation.You've been drinking, You're gonna be pissed
off because you know these guys arewhipping around corners like assholes and like,
yeah, potentially hit you. Yeah, you're gonna you're gonna be mad.
Yeah. And here's the thing too, Like the the guy that got off
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and you know, attacked at him, it wasn't self defense. They could
they could he could stay on thebike, they could have driven away.
Yeah, they didn't have to stop. They didn't have to stop all over,
there was no need mm hmm.And if you and to do that,
you have to have that weapon concealedabout your person. So you have
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to have intent. If you're carryingweapons like that, your intent is to
use it. Oh yeah, ohyeah, they're looking trouble you know exactly.
I don't you know when we goout on a night out, you
don't. You don't go out toledup. Why would you no need?
So? Yeah, well, hismum and dad, I've watched this that
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They have a website. I'll tellyou about the facebook page later. They
have a Facebook page, and onthe Facebook page is an interview and this
is an interview with Adam's mum,Adam's two sisters, and the nurse that
treated Adam at the hospital. Andthis this interview is just horrible. It's
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horrible to listen to the pain thatthis person has caused Adam's family. It
is heart wrenching, It really isis. I mean, we listen to
a lot of this kind of stuffin our job, but this particular and
you can find it on Facebook andI'll give you all the details after after
I've finished. But listening to theto a mother describe the absolute internal pain
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of the phone call, hearing thatyour son is on his way, is
going to be on his way tohospital because he's been hurt, and not
really knowing anything. You know alot about that now. In this mum
and dad arrived at the scene.In this interview that they do on the
Facebook page, she describes get intothe scene and seeing police tape surrounding Adam
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and she runs over with the dadwith dad and they try to go under
the police tape and a policeman stopsthem and says, I'm sorry, you
can't come in because this is acrime scene. And she says, but
that's my son, and he said, I'm sorry, it's a crime scene.
And she's saying, but my sonis a crime scene and I can't
get to my son, And like, as a parent. You can't even
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imagine to be stood there and yourchild, no matter what age they are,
is the other side of that policecordon, and you are not allowed
to get to your child. You'renot allowed to be there. Somebody's stopping
you from being there, and that'sall you want as a parent is to
get there and be with your child. That was the first thing that I
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was listening to, thinking, ohmy god, that just must be absolutely
horrendous. Now. She then describesthe fact that a local shop down the
road you obviously have it in Americatoo. It's like blue role we call
it. It's like most industrial placeshave it, like workplaces have it.
It's like a big it's like tissue, but it's blue. It's industrial stuff.
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It's big, thick, like thicktissue that you pull off on a
roll, and you usually have itin like garagees, or you have it
in shops. It's usually some commercialblue roll. So she says that all
she could see was this blue rolewhere somebody had tried to stem Adam's blood,
and that's all she can remember isjust seeing so much blood and this
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blue role and not being able toget to him. She says that they
followed the ambulance to the hospital.They rang his sisters, Nicola and Joanne,
and when they all got to thehospital, obviously the doctors have just
taken Adam straight in to try andsave his life. Now, the operating
department practitioner was a lady called DebbieScott. She didn't recognize Adam when he
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came in, but as soon asshe saw Adam's sisters she knew who Adam
was. Now, Adam's sisters andher went to school together, so she
knew the family very well. Adam'smum had had him a lot later,
Joyce had had him a lot laterthan the girls. The girls were his
older sisters, and she said itknocked her for six as soon as she
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saw who the girls were. Sheknew Adam, and she knew how much
that family, how tight that familywere, and she said her heart just
absolutely sank, but she had tobe professional, she had to do her
job. She didn't She didn't tellthe girls that like, she didn't say,
oh, do you remember me,She didn't even do anything like that.
She just left it. And Ithink it was about six years later
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she actually bumped into one of thesisters and said, I was actually there
that night. I worked in theemergency department and I was there in the
background, and we'll get to thatin a minute now. She describes that
Adam was very gray by the timehe got to hospital. I mean,
the blood loss was huge. Theyhad used over eight pints of blood to
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try and sustain him, and machinesand tubes and there was beeping and there
was noise and chaos as there isin an emergency room. And his mum
describes that there was just blood everywhere. There was blood everywhere, There were
tubes everywhere. There were doctors andnurses doing everything they could, working so
hard to try and save him.And she says that when she looked at
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his face and looked at his eyes, his eyes were gray, not blue.
And she said he had the mostbeautiful blue eyes. But when I
looked at him, his eyes weregray, and she said it was just
horrendous. She said, we werebegging him, please don't leave us,
please don't die. We need you. And the nurses have described being there
and hearing that, and this isI think some of the things that you
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don't understand when or you don't thinkof straightaway when you listen to true crime
documentaries. You have to remember thatthe things that we are talking about is
the worst, absolute, worst timeof somebody's life. This is a situation
none of us ever want to experiencefirsthand. It really isn't And we've talked
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about before the ripple effect of crimeand the fact that this happened to Adam.
But you have this nurse who isexplaining listening to a mother absolutely gutturally
screaming for them to save her childand to keep going and don't stop when
the doctors are standing there saying there'snothing more we can do. That doctor
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is a trained doctor, but thatdoctor is also a human and is probably
a parent. And to stand thereand have to say to somebody there is
nothing more I can do for yourson must be something you will never ever
forget. Yeah, all the trainingin the world does not prepare you for
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that, for being that person thathas to do that. You know,
to somebody, that's horrible. It'sone of the it's one of the most
it's just one of the most awfulinterviews I've ever heard in terms of like
my stomach after listening to it,it actually hurt, you know, physically.
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Actually, I was just it washorrible, and Debbie describes in this
interview how she she says she willnever ever forget the girls and mum screaming
at him and hitting him and tellinghim don't go, don't leave us like
we need you, and I Ijust felt for them so so badly,
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and Adam unfortunately flatlined. The familybegged doctors to keep going, but unfortunately
they said it's too late. We'regoing to have to call it. There's
nothing more we can do. Andunfortunately he died at around two am with
his family by him side, whichI think is the a tiny, tiny,
little tiny little piece of that isthat his family were with him,
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you know, they were there.So said, it's honestly, honestly,
Morgan. I mean, we've donea lot of cases, and we have
spoken to a lot of people,and I sort of I kind of put
this the same as when I spoketo when we did our crime con Live
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and I spoke to TJ's mum.Yeah, and it's the same, it's
that same. I don't know.Maybe it's because I'm a mum, I
don't know. Maybe it's because I'ma woman. I don't I don't know,
because I haven't spoken to a lotof dads. Let's put it that
way. I haven't spoken to alot of dads in this case. For
some reason, I tend to youinterview. It's normally the mums that come
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forward to talk to you. We'veonly had a couple of cases where it's
been a dad that has spoken tous. And it seems that when you
speak to like a parent, oryou speak to somebody like that, it's
just this. I can't even describeit. And it's something I probably I
hope that nobody ever understands, nobodyelse ever gets to understand it. But
it's this, it's this, it'sa look. There's a look in their
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eyes, and it's I've had itwith every single mum that, unfortunately I've
been in a position to interview andtell the story of their their son or
their daughter. There's there's just thislook on their face and it's I think
it's it's different. It's really differentto any and maybe some police officers can
probably you know, agree with meon this that that have worked with families,
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they just they just have this thislook about them, this look in
their eyes that just is hurt,you know, real real hurt and it's
horrible. It's really horrible. Youknow, I would say a vast majority
of not all the cases that we'vetalked about senseless, but this is,
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oh yeah, that goes it goesbeyond being senseless. Right. You have
a young man who is going outto have fun with some friends, right,
like he he didn't ask for anyof this, He did not do
anything wrong. He I mean,he just happened to be wrong place,
(24:23):
wrong time. If he would havebeen walking down the street thirty seconds later,
he would still be alive. Right, if he was walking down street
a minute before, he'd still bealive. It was just verge into the
heads. I know. It's justa convergent of like unrelated events such cause
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yeah, yeah, and it causesa senseless death, right and even yeah,
even though yeah, there was aconfrontation. He's mad. You you're
you're driving reckless and you almost youknow, could have hurt well, could
have hurt himselves, They could havehurt Adam and his friends. Yeah,
so he's gonna be upset. Butthat doesn't give you the right to kill
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somebody, right, But I mean, I mean that what provocation is that
that isn't a prophocation somebody's come overto you because you're driving like an idiot
and they're shouting at you and they'recross. I get it. But he
didn't go over there and like grabhim. He didn't go over there and
punch him first. He just wentover there and was like, what are
you doing? And this guy,just a person, just decides to I
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mean, they've got the weapon intheir hand. We don't know what the
weapon is because the weapon was neverrecovered, but this person just decides there
and then that the weapon that they'vegot on their person, this is it.
But how how does that even happen? How do you They weren't even
the driver. They weren't even thedriver, so it's not like he was
even talking to him. No.No, this is the other thing that
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I thought about this case. Howthe hell if you're the driver, how
the hell do you let that personget back on your bike and you drive
that person to safety knowing that theyhave just stabbed another person for nothing,
for nothing, and following that,if you didn't realize that that person had
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stabbed him, you live locally,I would imagine, and you hear the
news and you know, damn wellwho that person was? That did that,
and you know that that guy isdead and he did nothing to deserve
it. Why aren't you going topolice, even anonymously. Why aren't you
doing that? How can you goto sleep at night knowing that your friend
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in air quotation marks just killed somebodyin cold blood and left and you left
with them. Because I guarantee youthose people they're not thinking of it like
you and I would be thinking ofit. They're thinking, oh, man,
did you see that? That wasawesome? You see what what so
and so did? Yeah? Thatwas cool? Yeah in front of you
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maybe yeah. I think maybet eachother. But I think at night,
when you're at home and you're onyour own and you're in bed, you'll
never ever forget that. That willnever leave you, even as an adult.
If that was younger, lads,you would never forget what that person
did, and you would never forgetthat you did nothing, nothing to help
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him, You did nothing. Ithink that's given them too much credit,
to be honest, that they havesome some level of stability inside. I
think that's giving him too much credit. Do you do you not think that
they will creep I do. Ithink it would creep into their minds.
I think on their own the person, not the person that did it,
maybe not, but the person thatwas there and that helped that other person
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get away. I think that whenthey're on their own, they must have
that in their minds. But itmust. It's it's not going to be
enough to come forward and saying sayanything. It's not enough. I just
couldn't do it. I couldn't livewith myself. It's just it's awful.
Now, police did make a restin this case. There were a less
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but nobody has ever been charged inconnection with Adam's death. There have been
appeals and every year there is anappeal. And Adam's family are and we
find this with families. They areso strong. I know they don't think
they are because every time I saythis to a mum or sister they say,
no, no, I'm not strong, and I say, no,
you are. You are so strongto keep going, to keep fighting,
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and that's what they've done, that'swhat they've done since twenty seventeen. They
must be exhausted. They must beabsolutely exhausted. And why should they have
to continuously fight to get something goodout of out of their son's son and
brother's name, you know, tohave somebody taken away from you like that.
It makes you angry. You're angry. How dare they do that?
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How dare they take away your brother? You know? And then to do
what that family have done, Imean the family they set up a fate.
There's a Facebook page and it's calledAdam. I think it's under Adam
Prescott. And I'm going to putthe links in our show notes. And
there is a there's a page wherethey do so much fundraising, like absolutely
amazing fundraising. They have a websiteand I want everybody, if ever you
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do anything I ever ask you ofthis of the podcast, please visit the
Adamfoundation dot co dot uk. Okay, Now, the Adam Foundation is a
foundation that was set up by Adam'sfamily. And Adam stands for achieving dreams
and memories. Okay. And theyfundraise to help other people achieve their dreams.
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Okay. They do. They do. They've got a football team.
They've got an Adam football team.They do marathons, they do, they
visit schools. Morgan and they talkabout carrying knives and what consequences carrying knives
does. They talk about the rippleeffect of crime. Imagine having to relive
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this over and over and over againin the hope that one child in a
primary school or in a secondary schoollistens to what you're saying and listens to
how awful your life has been.That night changed that whole family's life forever
more, it changed them forever.Their lives will never be the same.
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The police on this November just gone, the sixth anniversary of Adam's death,
a guy called Detective Inspector Dave Jonesreleased it like a press release, like
they do every year. They did. He said, I'm going to quote
this. It says, I can'tbelieve begin to comprehend what Adam's family have
been through in the past six years. The special occasions, the anniversaries that
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have gone by without him being there, and with his family knowing that his
killer still walks the streets must beunbearable. We know that over the years
people have come forward with intelligence thathas assisted us with a number of lines
of inquiry, but we need peopleto come forward with evidence. We know
that the answers lie within the communityand that people have chosen to stay quiet.
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To those people, I would say, please search your conscience, tell
us what you know, and letus do the rest because Adam's family don't
deserve to be left in limbo withoutever getting any justice. This is I
completely agree with him, but Ijust want to put this into context.
For people that family. Every Christmas, every birthday, every birth of a
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child, every celebration, every timethey go past a place where they ate
a meal for a special occasion,every time they see weddings, they are
missing a giant Adams sized hole intheir family. Okay, there are people
that know exactly who that person was, they know exactly they don't Adam's family
don't need to know the why.They just want that person who stole Adam's
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life to serve time for that,you know, to get some kind of
punishment for what they did. Anddespite losing him in the most horrific way
that you can lose a family member, having to watch that unfold in a
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hospital room, having to watch allof that, you're never going to get
those visions out of your mind.And despite all of that, this family
have pulled together with Adam's friends andother people in the community, and they
have decided to make something out ofthis that's going to help so many people
now in the year ending. Iknow how you love statistics, So I've
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done some statistics for you. Inthe year end in March twenty twenty three,
there are around fifty thousand, fivehundred offenses involving a sharp instrument in
England and Wales. Now this doesn'tinclude the Devon and Cornwall area. I
don't know why, but it doesn't. This was four point seven percent higher
than twenty one to twenty two,but seven percent lower than nineteen to twenty.
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Half of all teenagers have witnessed orwere victims of violence in England and
Wales last year, according to thisreport by government advisors into what drives knife
crime, gangs and bullying. Okay, this is the largest ever survey in
the UK of youngsters about the problemand they found shocking and unacceptable. That's
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what it says, Shocking and unacceptablelevels of youth violence, with three hundred
and fifty eight thousand teenagers physically injuredin the last twelve months. Three hundred
and fifty eight thousand teenagers is alot. That is crazy, That is
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horrific. How the hell are ourkids on the streets with knives? Why?
Why are they carrying knives? Theyneed to understand, they need to
understand the consequence of this. Doyou remember at Crime con this year there
was a guy, Quinton that talkedin place of Alison Cope, whose son
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was murder Joshu Rivera's murdered and unfortunatelyAlison was held up and Quinton stood in
and he was amazing. He wasonce in a gang, he had been
stabbed. He talks about him beinghaving gang violence, you know, upon
himself, and he talked he nowvisits schools like Alison does. And he
now goes to schools and talks topeople just like Adam's family are Why are
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families having to do this? Ifeel like I'm whining, but do you
know what I mean? Why arefamilies having to go to schools and talk
to children about carrying knives? Shouldbe common sense the parents. It's just
why? Why? Why? Ididn't know anybody that carried knives when I
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was at school, not not thisprolifically, I honestly don't know when I
was when I know everyone alway saysthat well back in the day when I
was a child. But yeah,I feel like it's just so much worse.
It's getting worse and worse and worse. No, like the only kids
like I mean, I can't remembera specific moment where, you know,
someone had a knife at school.I'm sure it happened, right, but
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usually it was like a situation wherea kid finds dad's knife and wants to
show it off, right, like, oh, look at this, yeah,
right, not carrying it to afflictyeah, to inflict you know,
violence, No, exactly, yeah, And it just it really it saddens
me that that thirty three hundred andfifty eight thousand teenagers, I mean that
(35:44):
in twelve months. That is isit's awful. It's absolutely awful. And
Adam's family, Alison, Cope andQuinton all doing fantastic work. They shouldn't
have to be doing this work.Alison should never have lost Joshua. Adams
family should never have lost Adam.Quentin should never have been stabbed. This
shouldn't be happening, but it is, it's happening. They also had another
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statistic was one in five teenagers admitthis skipped school during the last twelve months
because they felt unsafe. You knowwhat, it's not okay, it's not
okay. This isn't okay. Adam'sdeath is not okay. Joshua's death is
not okay, these moms, it'snot just mums. Please let me just
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because I'm just I had focused onthe mums. But the Joshua's mum,
she does go out and campaign.And I'm sure that Adam's dad has a
lot to do with all of this, but a lot of the time you
just see his mum and his sisters. And please, anyone if you have
information. I'm sure that if youknow about this, if you see Adam's
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name, you're going to look upbecause it's part of human psychology. It
is a known fact that people involvedin crime will search the crime. The
fact that we all have while phonesin our pockets that access the internet.
I'm telling you now, I wouldalmost one hundred percent guarantee that those two
people, the perpetrator and the otherperson on the bike, have googled Adam's
name and have seen what's being writtenabout them. But it wasn't just damn
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because how many people they say werethere, Like how many of the on
the bike, like four or five? Yeah, in addition to the other
two. Okay, you also mentionedyou said there had been arrests made,
but nothing's come out about about them. Do you know, do we know
anything about about those No, nothing, no, okay to me, I
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mean to me, I wouldn't beshocked if this was gang related, not
not you know, Adam being notagainst Adam. Yeah, I agree,
I agree. But it sounds tome like this was probably a situation where
this group they were out looking fortrouble. I wouldn't be surprised if the
person on the back of the bike, if they you know, might have
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been a younger member and this waslike there, I don't want to say
initiation, but it's like, youknow, it was their moment to prove
it a line of inquiry. Yeah, it's a line of yeah, different
lene inquiry to look at. Iagree. Yeah, this is definitely like
approve your yourself moment for you know. That's that's how I view it,
because there's nothing else that that wouldexplain it. It's it's not self defense,
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it's not it wasn't even really afight. No, no, it
wasn't a fight at all. No. And if you were going to be
that, if you're going to bethat feel that disrespected by some words,
you need to get some thicker skinbecause there's no need you need to be
cool. Yeah, huh, okay, But if that is you, and
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if you are listening and you've decidedto listen to this podcast about how what
we've said about the you know,the perpetrator, and what we've said,
then just think about that this wassix years ago. Adam now would probably
be married, He probably would havechildren. This perpetrator could now be married,
could have children. Imagine if thatwas your brother. Imagine if that
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was your brother on a night outand you hear that your brother had a
confrontation with a guy on a bikeand that guy on the bike stabbed your
brother in the neck. How wouldyou feel about that? Would you want
somebody doing everything they possibly can?Of course you would, And what do
you think that person deserves? Becausewhat you've just done is cold blooded murder
and there's absolutely no excuse for that. So anyone that does have any information
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that could assist in the investigation intoAdam's murder, because it still is unsolved,
can either direct message at pole CCso it's a murdercide police so it's
at M E. R P Ol CC, or you can call one
oh one. If you prefer notto speak to the police, you can
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stay anonymous. You can call crimeStoppers there is a reward out. Not
that you should do it for areward, absolutely not, you should do
it just because you're a decent humanbeing, but there is there is a
reward for this, and crime Stoppers'phone number is eight hundred five five five
one one one. You can visittheir website as well if you want to,
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but you can call leave that informationbecause if you know something and you're
saying nothing, what kind of humanbeing does that make you? Yeah,
So I'm just reading some stuff.It's interesting. So this was from last
year apparently, like this was letme pull it back up here. So
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one of the people that had beena restaurant suspicion of the murder with a
fifteen year old Yeah, back intwenty seventeen fifteen, Which is strange because
you also said the same thing.Is this a youth member? Is this
a younger person? There wasn't.I couldn't see anything, like I couldn't
see a description of it. Butthere are there is a crime There is
a crime Watch UK reconstruction so youcan actually see what happened. They've done
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obviously done the reconstruction, talking withAdam's family so that they could get it
right. So you can actually seewhat happened. You can watch that.
I would urge you to go toFacebook and definitely go to the Adam Foundation.
The website. You can go andhave a look at that. You
can see pictures of Adam. Youcan see pictures of his family, you
can see what their focus is,you can see what they're doing. You
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can also find his Facebook page.And the Facebook page is where you can
find that interview that I was talkingabout and watch that interview. Just watch
it because it isn't a horrific accountof how that family went through that awful
time and how now they are fightingfor some kind of justice. They're fighting
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for some kind of good to comeout of something so horrific. And definitely
look it up on Facebook. I'veI've just followed the page so I can
keep up to date with what's goingon and help in any way we can.
And yeah, I just urge youto do all you can in a
case that's not very old. Wedo always urge you to help in cold
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cases, but this case is fromtwenty seventeen. It's not long ago.
This could have been you, itcould have been me, it could have
been any of us. Just ona night out with friends and it just
makes me so mad, so mad. And that's yeah, that's this week's
case. And I will keep youupdated with anything that I find. I've
reached out to Adam's family to seeif they would be interested in talking with
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us, because I'd really like tohelp them as much as we possibly can.
Well, thank you for this.This was a very interesting case.
It's sad, really really sad.This is a case that's really Yeah,
it's really affected me this one.I feel really really bad for his family
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and for him. Hopefully, likewe always say, there's some sort of
resolution and something comes out from it, I hope. So yeah, now
I think it's time. It's timeto get some justice and to get this,
get this solved, and it willnever I don't. I think we
always say it will give the familyclosure. I don't think it. I
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don't think closure is the right word. I think it closes a chapter for
the family and it allows them tokeep moving, you know, it allows
them they get a resolution. Atleast, is that they know that the
person that did this is actually goingto pay for what they did. That's
what it gives them. It doesn'tgive them closure. It doesn't make everything
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feel better again, but it givesthem something, you know. Yeah,
so yeah, so I hope,I hope that they will get that.
I really hope they'll get that oneday. All right, Well, thank
you once again, and with that, how about we end this episode with
a little dumb criminal to in themood Hey use a dummy and use a
(44:07):
piece of shit, all right,chair, I actually could have two dump
criminals for you today, okay,and they both involve police chases. Okay,
okay, I love a good policechase. So just recently, a
thirty four year old man from Chicagowas arrested after robbing a jewelry store in
(44:31):
the town of Lebanon, Indiana.Okay, Now, shortly before five thirty
pm. This is actually the lastSaturday. Police dispatchers received a call from
Kate Jewelers which said that a manhad stolen a undetermined amount of jewelry and
fled fled in car. Okay.Now, shortly after the call was made,
(44:54):
a Boone County Sheriff Department saw thevehicle the vehicle fleeing and try to
pull the driver over. When thecar did not stop, Additional officers would
join the pursuit. Including some officersfrom Lebanon Police. According to the officers,
during the pursuit, the susset begansticking his hand out to you out
(45:15):
the window, motioning to the officers. Okay. Eventually the suspect vehicle was
hit by a police car and endedup getting boxed in where they were able
to place him on their rest.When the police asked him why he was
motioning to the officers, the suspectis quoted as saying, I was trying
(45:37):
to tell you you're not supposed topursue me. What So, apparently waving
your hand out the window is theinternational sign of hey, don't chase me,
go away. You're not supposed tobe pursuing me. I'm supposed to
get away with this. So,yeah, that doesn't work. What can
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you imagine? Like, why wouldyou why would you think that would work?
Go away, leave me alone,Leave me alone, idiot. So
so that was the first one.Here's another one for you, real quick.
This was a real quick one.This one is uh is probably the
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slowest high speed pursuits in police history. Okay, So there's occurred in Mobile,
Alabama when police were called to aPigly Wiggly store after they said a
man drove off in one of theirstores electronics shopping carts. Right, so
these are one of those carts whereyou know for older oh yeah, yeah,
(46:45):
okay, and they drive them aroundand and you know, well you
know you're supposed to drop it off. Well, this suspect decided to take
one, and he decided that hewas going to drive away with it.
So they don't. They don't.So officers were able to find the man
who the car because the car hasa toss speed of two point five miles
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per hour. I was gonna say, I don't even think it goes even
five miles an hour because because ofthe sort of people, you know,
the elderly people that drive them.No, no, and then that probably
so end up being a sixty sixyear old man. They don't know where
he was headed in it, butyeah, but he had his home was
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about a mile from Pickley Wiegly soas possibly you were driving home. We
don't know. But he ended upbeing arrested taking into custody in charge with
first degree theft. So as well, you're not supposed to pursue me.
Oh no, that's terrible, that'sbrilliant. Thank you for that we always
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liked to do a dumb criminal atthe end of our shows, particularly after
this one. I also wanted tosay a massive thank you to fir Mama
from the Get USA. She hasgiven us a five star rating, which
is amazing. Thank you so much, and says I just started listening.
I've been binge listening while I puta lot on while I put in a
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Welcome to crime Pedia podcast this week, I'm your host. My name is
Cherry and with me as always ismy USA bestie. It is Morgan.
Am I a USA bestie? Areyou just saying that? Okay? Oh?
Thanks you are? How is things? How are things going in the
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good old us of A getting chill? It has Chill's still here too.
It's definitely definitely fall now here.And they know what that means, don't
you. That means that all ofthe big events that we do are over
and we're all now starting to countdown to all the new events for like
twenty twenty four, once Christmas isdone, we are on the countdown for
(01:19):
like crime Con UK. Crime Coneis in a different location this year.
There's going to be loads of newstuff. There's lots of people coming over
from America, American podcast as,American content creators all coming over here to
what I think is probably going tobe the best crime Con I think this
year that we've ever had. Yeah, I'm excited. I'm pretty sure we
(01:44):
have two really big podcasts they aregoing to be there. Well, Captain's
been there before, but Nick iscoming over this year, which is really
exciting. Yeah, Yeah, Nick'sgoing to be over. I think we've
got quite a few new podcasts thatare going to be joining the content creators
area, which will be brilliant.And it's a really good if you are
if you are interested in that kindof thing, which obviously you are because
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you're listening to a podcast now truecrime podcast. But if you are interested
in that kind of stuff, it'slike everything's under one roof. There's lots
of people for you to meet andtalk to, and I love that about
the true crime events. It's avery community spirited event. Crime Con and
the same with True Crime Fest inArkansas next year. That now is in
its second year, and that's goingto be bigger and better than it was
(02:27):
last year. Very victim focused,very very good place for people to come
together and put their heads together totry and get cold cases or cases that
are stuck, you know, goingagain. And it's like minded people all
with the same goal and that isto solve crime. Yeah, that one's
a really that's gonna be a greatevent. It was great last year.
(02:49):
You enjoyed it, You've had alot of good things to say about it.
So yeah, I've never really beena year coming up. Yeah,
we've got a lot of shows nextyear that we're booked to do, and
we're hoping to do maybe a littleCrimepedia tour for twenty twenty five, which
would be amazing. So we're workingon that too, So we'll give you
some more information on that as andwhen we can. Yeah, So,
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Cherry, how about we hop intothis week's episode? What do you have
for us? So this week's episodeis not one of my usual episodes that
if you listen regularly, you knowthat I really like the older style cases,
the cold cases. This week's episodeis I found this because of a
family. I found this because ofa family sheer, gritten determination to do
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good things in the name of theyou know, their lost family member,
and I really really admire their strengthand their courage. And this is the
kind of thing that could happen toanybody, anywhere, any of us.
This is not a domestic situation.This is not where somebody is in a
(03:52):
gang rivalry situation. This is aguy who is an everyday normal guy,
just going about doing every day nonormal things, when he's confronted with somebody
who is I don't even know howto describe them, to be honest,
somebody completely callous and somebody who justruins not one life, but many,
(04:15):
many lives. And this week's caseis the case of Adam Ellison. Adam
(04:44):
Ellison was born in the seventh ofFebruary nineteen eighty eight. He worked in
Tesco in Prescott, working through amanagement course, and was described by colleagues
and friends as a true gentleman,somebody that everybody loved. He was kind
and loving and adored his family.They were a very close family, and
Adam's family clearly adored him. BackNovember twenty seventeen would be a month that
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the family would never forget. Adamwas brought on the evening of the third
of his life I Stole seventeen twenty, Adam Elvisius was on a night out
with his case press of Adams Ellison, and Adam wasn't the sort of person
that usually would go out every weekend. It was kind of like an on
again, off again thing. Andthen eventually he decided, Yeah, okay,
(05:30):
we will go out. It's justa quiet night out. It's not
a big, you know, bigcelebratory night out. However, he was
quietly excited because he had actually decidedto propose to his partner and he had
been he was I think he'd beenchatting with his sister via like Whatsapple via
text and he had found this ringset that he really wanted to get.
And it was a ring with awedding ring as well, you know,
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so that they kind of match eachother. And he had set his heart
on this this set and he wastelling her all about it, and he
was also said pictures in the puband there was I think there was a
dog in the pub or something,and he was sending pictures back and forth
and chatting also with his sister.Now, they visited several pubs around the
town that evening, but they decidedto settle in a pub called Dean's House.
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As well as them being out thatnight, there had been reports of
a group of motorcyclists that had beentearing around the town being a bit of
a nuisance, driving a bit dangerouslyand just that general. As soon as
you say that, you know thekind of you know the kind of motorcyclist
I'm talking about. Now, therewar was one bike. There were two
people on this bike and it wasa green and white Kawazaki. I would
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say it as a trials bike,but other people would call it maybe a
scrambler bike, so not like afull on motorcycle bike, you know,
like one that you'd go off inthe woods on the big thick tire tread
ones. But it didn't have thetraditional Kawazaki labeling, but it was looked
at as when you look at it, it was a distinctive green cows green
and white kawasak bike. Reports arethat I've read that the bike was pulled
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up outside a pub called the OldMeal Pub, and the pillion passenger jumped
off the back of the bike andwent over to the pub window and was
kind of like you know that whenyou put your you put your hands over
your eyes to look into a pubwindow. The person on the back,
which I'm saying is a he,because I don't believe it to be a
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woman from the reconstructions that I've seenand from the reports that I've read,
so I'm going to go with he. At this time, I went over
to the pub window and was lookingthrough, looking like he was looking for
somebody. Didn't see obviously the personhe was looking for jump back on the
back of the bike and carried on. The pub is not very far away
(07:45):
from the pub that Adam and hiscousins and friend were drinking him. Around
the early hours of the fourth ofNovember, Adam and his friends were leaving
the Dean's House pub and on theirgoing to be on their way making home.
Now he had already texted his mumand said is it okay if I
stay at your house tonight, towhich it had obviously replied yes, that's
fine, and he said, youknow, I'll see you a bit later.
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So he was making his way homewith them. They were all walking
together as they approached the junction ofMarketplace, which is which you can see
on the map. I will putthe map up for people to have a
look at. You can see Marketplacethere, you can see where Dean's House
is. They've walked a long Churchstreet and there's a junction of Marketplace and
a place called Eccleston I think itwas Eccleston Street. As they got to
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the junction, this bike with thesetwo guys on it. I guess you
know, I'm saying guys, butyou know there's two people on it.
They came around the corner really fast. And as they came around the corner
fast, you know, if yousort of take a corner a bit too
wide. They took the corner reallywide and nearly knocked over Adam and his
friends. They swerved at the lastat the last minute, so of course,
like Adam and his friends are like, ah, what are you doing?
(08:52):
Like you idiot, you could haveknocked us over, And they're shouting
sort of at the rider of thebike as he's as he's driven past them.
And what happens is about fifty yardsdown the road, this bike kind
of pulls over, So Adam andhis and his friends sort of you know,
what are you doing? Like younearly you nearly knocked us over,
you idiot. You're driving like anidiot. And they walk down towards the
(09:13):
bike. Now, the pillion passengergot off the bike and was like arms
in the air, like woah,what you know? You idiot yourself?
Who do you think you're talking to? Kind of thing. And Adam goes
up to this guy and was like, you know what are you doing?
You could have you could have hurtus. You're driving like an idiot.
The friends of Adam kind of describedthis, this pillion passenger swinging at Adam,
(09:37):
so it's kind of like throws apunch they think throws a punch at
Adam, and Adam immediately drops tothe floor, so of course this is
something they're thinking, Oh my god, and they run down the pillion guy
gets back on the bike and thebike shoots off towards Seul Street, which
is, if you look on themap, is straight down towards Tesco actually
where Adam. Adam worked. Adam'scousin when he got to him, actually
(10:03):
thought that Adam had been knocked outbecause of the punch that he had just
received in the face, which isobviously uncalled for. It was just a
straight you know, what he thoughtwas a straight smack in the face.
When they got to him, theyactually realized that he had been stabbed in
the neck. Oh now, I'veactually I've actually been present at a stab
in when I was a teenager,and I can describe it exactly the same.
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The two people were, i wouldsay, maybe about two hundred yards
away from me, so I couldclearly see them, and one guy swung
what I thought was a punch tothe other guy, but actually had stabbed
him with a knife across the topof his arm and had actually stabbed,
you know, completely opened up hisarm, but from where I was standing
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and looking, it just looked likea punch. It didn't look like anything
serious. And I think that fromhow I've read this, this is the
same. But having got to him, they then realized that it's a lot
more serious than they think. Nowthis guy has jumped straight back on the
bike and they've gone so that they'renowhere to be seen. Now the cousins
and lots of passers by then callnine nine nine. Okay, all right,
(11:13):
so real quick, m I hadlooked this up because he kept using
the word pillion, I had noidea pillion passenger. Sorry, oh okay,
sorry, Yeah. Basically, yeah, that the person. So there
were two people in the bike,so there was the person in the back.
Yeah, So the person in theback on that was sitting on the
pillion, which is the pad forthe for the passenger the back of the
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got off the bike confronted Adam swung. Adam went down. It turns out
he had Yeah, he'd been stabbedin the stabbed in the neck. We're
in the neck, yea up here, so it's up at the top of
the neck, so like jugular areaor yeah, very seriously, you know,
(12:01):
it's a serious stab wound to hisneck. Okay, all right,
So I'm assuming it was probably twomen on the bike. That's my first
I believe, so yeah, right, yeah, I mean I can't imagine
that that a I mean, itcould happen a female get off the bike
(12:22):
and front and stab someone. Butif there is as the likelihood is it
going to be likelihood is not notas likely. But yeah, so it's
you know, buddy is on theback of his buddy's bike, can dry
around being assholes and that's right,and he cps off and he stabs them.
Okay, yeah, so I'm guessingfrom what they've explained it's like a
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slash in I guess it's like aslash in motion. They believe he's been
punched, but it could be likea front you know, a front punch.
If that's the case, he's justliterally stabbed him straight in the in
the neck. So from from thereports that I've read and from the websites
and from Adam's family website, itwas it was a stab to the neck.
So whichever way he has done it, the neck is a very delicate
(13:05):
area and a very dangerous area tobe shoving a knife into, you know,
it's or something. I mean,it's a dangerous, dangerous injury if
you're if you're going at someone witha knife and you're going towards the neck,
your intent is to kill there.You mean it exactly. I'm glad
you said that. That is exactly. My point in this is that that
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was intent. No. And thething is with this is that Adam is
not a person who is in trouble. He's not a person who is disliked
by people. Literally every single commentI've read about Adam has been a complimentary
comment. And I've read hundreds ofmessages from people about him, and every
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single one of them is complimentary.And they're a very tight knit family.
They're a very friendly family. There'snothing bad about them. He was and
out cause in trouble. He wasout excited with his friends. He wasn't
really drunk, He wasn't being abusiveto anybody. He was just you know,
saying to a guy, what areyou doing? You nearly knocked us
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over, which any single one ofus would do on a night out if
we were confronted with that situation.You've been drinking, You're gonna be pissed
off because you know these guys arewhipping around corners like assholes and like,
yeah, potentially hit you. Yeah, you're gonna you're gonna be mad.
Yeah. And here's the thing too, Like the the guy that got off
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and you know, attacked at him, it wasn't self defense. They could
they could he could stay on thebike, they could have driven away.
Yeah, they didn't have to stop. They didn't have to stop all over,
there was no need mm hmm.And if you and to do that,
you have to have that weapon concealedabout your person. So you have
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to have intent. If you're carryingweapons like that, your intent is to
use it. Oh yeah, ohyeah, they're looking trouble you know exactly.
I don't you know when we goout on a night out, you
don't. You don't go out toledup. Why would you no need?
So? Yeah, well, hismum and dad, I've watched this that
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They have a website. I'll tellyou about the facebook page later. They
have a Facebook page, and onthe Facebook page is an interview and this
is an interview with Adam's mum,Adam's two sisters, and the nurse that
treated Adam at the hospital. Andthis this interview is just horrible. It's
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horrible to listen to the pain thatthis person has caused Adam's family. It
is heart wrenching, It really isis. I mean, we listen to
a lot of this kind of stuffin our job, but this particular and
you can find it on Facebook andI'll give you all the details after after
I've finished. But listening to theto a mother describe the absolute internal pain
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of the phone call, hearing thatyour son is on his way, is
going to be on his way tohospital because he's been hurt, and not
really knowing anything. You know alot about that now. In this mum
and dad arrived at the scene.In this interview that they do on the
Facebook page, she describes get intothe scene and seeing police tape surrounding Adam
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and she runs over with the dadwith dad and they try to go under
the police tape and a policeman stopsthem and says, I'm sorry, you
can't come in because this is acrime scene. And she says, but
that's my son, and he said, I'm sorry, it's a crime scene.
And she's saying, but my sonis a crime scene and I can't
get to my son, And like, as a parent. You can't even
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imagine to be stood there and yourchild, no matter what age they are,
is the other side of that policecordon, and you are not allowed
to get to your child. You'renot allowed to be there. Somebody's stopping
you from being there, and that'sall you want as a parent is to
get there and be with your child. That was the first thing that I
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was listening to, thinking, ohmy god, that just must be absolutely
horrendous. Now. She then describesthe fact that a local shop down the
road you obviously have it in Americatoo. It's like blue role we call
it. It's like most industrial placeshave it, like workplaces have it.
It's like a big it's like tissue, but it's blue. It's industrial stuff.
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It's big, thick, like thicktissue that you pull off on a
roll, and you usually have itin like garagees, or you have it
in shops. It's usually some commercialblue roll. So she says that all
she could see was this blue rolewhere somebody had tried to stem Adam's blood,
and that's all she can remember isjust seeing so much blood and this
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blue role and not being able toget to him. She says that they
followed the ambulance to the hospital.They rang his sisters, Nicola and Joanne,
and when they all got to thehospital, obviously the doctors have just
taken Adam straight in to try andsave his life. Now, the operating
department practitioner was a lady called DebbieScott. She didn't recognize Adam when he
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came in, but as soon asshe saw Adam's sisters she knew who Adam
was. Now, Adam's sisters andher went to school together, so she
knew the family very well. Adam'smum had had him a lot later,
Joyce had had him a lot laterthan the girls. The girls were his
older sisters, and she said itknocked her for six as soon as she
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saw who the girls were. Sheknew Adam, and she knew how much
that family, how tight that familywere, and she said her heart just
absolutely sank, but she had tobe professional, she had to do her
job. She didn't She didn't tellthe girls that like, she didn't say,
oh, do you remember me,She didn't even do anything like that.
She just left it. And Ithink it was about six years later
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she actually bumped into one of thesisters and said, I was actually there
that night. I worked in theemergency department and I was there in the
background, and we'll get to thatin a minute now. She describes that
Adam was very gray by the timehe got to hospital. I mean,
the blood loss was huge. Theyhad used over eight pints of blood to
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try and sustain him, and machinesand tubes and there was beeping and there
was noise and chaos as there isin an emergency room. And his mum
describes that there was just blood everywhere. There was blood everywhere, There were
tubes everywhere. There were doctors andnurses doing everything they could, working so
hard to try and save him.And she says that when she looked at
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his face and looked at his eyes, his eyes were gray, not blue.
And she said he had the mostbeautiful blue eyes. But when I
looked at him, his eyes weregray, and she said it was just
horrendous. She said, we werebegging him, please don't leave us,
please don't die. We need you. And the nurses have described being there
and hearing that, and this isI think some of the things that you
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don't understand when or you don't thinkof straightaway when you listen to true crime
documentaries. You have to remember thatthe things that we are talking about is
the worst, absolute, worst timeof somebody's life. This is a situation
none of us ever want to experiencefirsthand. It really isn't And we've talked
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about before the ripple effect of crimeand the fact that this happened to Adam.
But you have this nurse who isexplaining listening to a mother absolutely gutturally
screaming for them to save her childand to keep going and don't stop when
the doctors are standing there saying there'snothing more we can do. That doctor
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is a trained doctor, but thatdoctor is also a human and is probably
a parent. And to stand thereand have to say to somebody there is
nothing more I can do for yourson must be something you will never ever
forget. Yeah, all the trainingin the world does not prepare you for
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that, for being that person thathas to do that. You know,
to somebody, that's horrible. It'sone of the it's one of the most
it's just one of the most awfulinterviews I've ever heard in terms of like
my stomach after listening to it,it actually hurt, you know, physically.
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Actually, I was just it washorrible, and Debbie describes in this
interview how she she says she willnever ever forget the girls and mum screaming
at him and hitting him and tellinghim don't go, don't leave us like
we need you, and I Ijust felt for them so so badly,
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and Adam unfortunately flatlined. The familybegged doctors to keep going, but unfortunately
they said it's too late. We'regoing to have to call it. There's
nothing more we can do. Andunfortunately he died at around two am with
his family by him side, whichI think is the a tiny, tiny,
little tiny little piece of that isthat his family were with him,
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you know, they were there.So said, it's honestly, honestly,
Morgan. I mean, we've donea lot of cases, and we have
spoken to a lot of people,and I sort of I kind of put
this the same as when I spoketo when we did our crime con Live
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and I spoke to TJ's mum.Yeah, and it's the same, it's
that same. I don't know.Maybe it's because I'm a mum, I
don't know. Maybe it's because I'ma woman. I don't I don't know,
because I haven't spoken to a lotof dads. Let's put it that
way. I haven't spoken to alot of dads in this case. For
some reason, I tend to youinterview. It's normally the mums that come
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forward to talk to you. We'veonly had a couple of cases where it's
been a dad that has spoken tous. And it seems that when you
speak to like a parent, oryou speak to somebody like that, it's
just this. I can't even describeit. And it's something I probably I
hope that nobody ever understands, nobodyelse ever gets to understand it. But
it's this, it's this, it'sa look. There's a look in their
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eyes, and it's I've had itwith every single mum that, unfortunately I've
been in a position to interview andtell the story of their their son or
their daughter. There's there's just thislook on their face and it's I think
it's it's different. It's really differentto any and maybe some police officers can
probably you know, agree with meon this that that have worked with families,
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they just they just have this thislook about them, this look in
their eyes that just is hurt,you know, real real hurt and it's
horrible. It's really horrible. Youknow, I would say a vast majority
of not all the cases that we'vetalked about senseless, but this is,
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oh yeah, that goes it goesbeyond being senseless. Right. You have
a young man who is going outto have fun with some friends, right,
like he he didn't ask for anyof this, He did not do
anything wrong. He I mean,he just happened to be wrong place,
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wrong time. If he would havebeen walking down the street thirty seconds later,
he would still be alive. Right, if he was walking down street
a minute before, he'd still bealive. It was just verge into the
heads. I know. It's justa convergent of like unrelated events such cause
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yeah, yeah, and it causesa senseless death, right and even yeah,
even though yeah, there was aconfrontation. He's mad. You you're
you're driving reckless and you almost youknow, could have hurt well, could
have hurt himselves, They could havehurt Adam and his friends. Yeah,
so he's gonna be upset. Butthat doesn't give you the right to kill
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somebody, right, But I mean, I mean that what provocation is that
that isn't a prophocation somebody's come overto you because you're driving like an idiot
and they're shouting at you and they'recross. I get it. But he
didn't go over there and like grabhim. He didn't go over there and
punch him first. He just wentover there and was like, what are
you doing? And this guy,just a person, just decides to I
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mean, they've got the weapon intheir hand. We don't know what the
weapon is because the weapon was neverrecovered, but this person just decides there
and then that the weapon that they'vegot on their person, this is it.
But how how does that even happen? How do you They weren't even
the driver. They weren't even thedriver, so it's not like he was
even talking to him. No.No, this is the other thing that
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I thought about this case. Howthe hell if you're the driver, how
the hell do you let that personget back on your bike and you drive
that person to safety knowing that theyhave just stabbed another person for nothing,
for nothing, and following that,if you didn't realize that that person had
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stabbed him, you live locally,I would imagine, and you hear the
news and you know, damn wellwho that person was? That did that,
and you know that that guy isdead and he did nothing to deserve
it. Why aren't you going topolice, even anonymously. Why aren't you
doing that? How can you goto sleep at night knowing that your friend
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in air quotation marks just killed somebodyin cold blood and left and you left
with them. Because I guarantee youthose people they're not thinking of it like
you and I would be thinking ofit. They're thinking, oh, man,
did you see that? That wasawesome? You see what what so
and so did? Yeah? Thatwas cool? Yeah in front of you
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maybe yeah. I think maybet eachother. But I think at night,
when you're at home and you're onyour own and you're in bed, you'll
never ever forget that. That willnever leave you, even as an adult.
If that was younger, lads,you would never forget what that person
did, and you would never forgetthat you did nothing, nothing to help
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him, You did nothing. Ithink that's given them too much credit,
to be honest, that they havesome some level of stability inside. I
think that's giving him too much credit. Do you do you not think that
they will creep I do. Ithink it would creep into their minds.
I think on their own the person, not the person that did it,
maybe not, but the person thatwas there and that helped that other person
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get away. I think that whenthey're on their own, they must have
that in their minds. But itmust. It's it's not going to be
enough to come forward and saying sayanything. It's not enough. I just
couldn't do it. I couldn't livewith myself. It's just it's awful.
Now, police did make a restin this case. There were a less
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but nobody has ever been charged inconnection with Adam's death. There have been
appeals and every year there is anappeal. And Adam's family are and we
find this with families. They areso strong. I know they don't think
they are because every time I saythis to a mum or sister they say,
no, no, I'm not strong, and I say, no,
you are. You are so strongto keep going, to keep fighting,
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and that's what they've done, that'swhat they've done since twenty seventeen. They
must be exhausted. They must beabsolutely exhausted. And why should they have
to continuously fight to get something goodout of out of their son's son and
brother's name, you know, tohave somebody taken away from you like that.
It makes you angry. You're angry. How dare they do that?
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How dare they take away your brother? You know? And then to do
what that family have done, Imean the family they set up a fate.
There's a Facebook page and it's calledAdam. I think it's under Adam
Prescott. And I'm going to putthe links in our show notes. And
there is a there's a page wherethey do so much fundraising, like absolutely
amazing fundraising. They have a websiteand I want everybody, if ever you
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do anything I ever ask you ofthis of the podcast, please visit the
Adamfoundation dot co dot uk. Okay, Now, the Adam Foundation is a
foundation that was set up by Adam'sfamily. And Adam stands for achieving dreams
and memories. Okay. And theyfundraise to help other people achieve their dreams.
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Okay. They do. They do. They've got a football team.
They've got an Adam football team.They do marathons, they do, they
visit schools. Morgan and they talkabout carrying knives and what consequences carrying knives
does. They talk about the rippleeffect of crime. Imagine having to relive
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this over and over and over againin the hope that one child in a
primary school or in a secondary schoollistens to what you're saying and listens to
how awful your life has been.That night changed that whole family's life forever
more, it changed them forever.Their lives will never be the same.
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The police on this November just gone, the sixth anniversary of Adam's death,
a guy called Detective Inspector Dave Jonesreleased it like a press release, like
they do every year. They did. He said, I'm going to quote
this. It says, I can'tbelieve begin to comprehend what Adam's family have
been through in the past six years. The special occasions, the anniversaries that
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have gone by without him being there, and with his family knowing that his
killer still walks the streets must beunbearable. We know that over the years
people have come forward with intelligence thathas assisted us with a number of lines
of inquiry, but we need peopleto come forward with evidence. We know
that the answers lie within the communityand that people have chosen to stay quiet.
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To those people, I would say, please search your conscience, tell
us what you know, and letus do the rest because Adam's family don't
deserve to be left in limbo withoutever getting any justice. This is I
completely agree with him, but Ijust want to put this into context.
For people that family. Every Christmas, every birthday, every birth of a
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child, every celebration, every timethey go past a place where they ate
a meal for a special occasion,every time they see weddings, they are
missing a giant Adams sized hole intheir family. Okay, there are people
that know exactly who that person was, they know exactly they don't Adam's family
don't need to know the why.They just want that person who stole Adam's
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life to serve time for that,you know, to get some kind of
punishment for what they did. Anddespite losing him in the most horrific way
that you can lose a family member, having to watch that unfold in a
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hospital room, having to watch allof that, you're never going to get
those visions out of your mind.And despite all of that, this family
have pulled together with Adam's friends andother people in the community, and they
have decided to make something out ofthis that's going to help so many people
now in the year ending. Iknow how you love statistics, So I've
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done some statistics for you. Inthe year end in March twenty twenty three,
there are around fifty thousand, fivehundred offenses involving a sharp instrument in
England and Wales. Now this doesn'tinclude the Devon and Cornwall area. I
don't know why, but it doesn't. This was four point seven percent higher
than twenty one to twenty two,but seven percent lower than nineteen to twenty.
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Half of all teenagers have witnessed orwere victims of violence in England and
Wales last year, according to thisreport by government advisors into what drives knife
crime, gangs and bullying. Okay, this is the largest ever survey in
the UK of youngsters about the problemand they found shocking and unacceptable. That's
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what it says, Shocking and unacceptablelevels of youth violence, with three hundred
and fifty eight thousand teenagers physically injuredin the last twelve months. Three hundred
and fifty eight thousand teenagers is alot. That is crazy, That is
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horrific. How the hell are ourkids on the streets with knives? Why?
Why are they carrying knives? Theyneed to understand, they need to
understand the consequence of this. Doyou remember at Crime con this year there
was a guy, Quinton that talkedin place of Alison Cope, whose son
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was murder Joshu Rivera's murdered and unfortunatelyAlison was held up and Quinton stood in
and he was amazing. He wasonce in a gang, he had been
stabbed. He talks about him beinghaving gang violence, you know, upon
himself, and he talked he nowvisits schools like Alison does. And he
now goes to schools and talks topeople just like Adam's family are Why are
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families having to do this? Ifeel like I'm whining, but do you
know what I mean? Why arefamilies having to go to schools and talk
to children about carrying knives? Shouldbe common sense the parents. It's just
why? Why? Why? Ididn't know anybody that carried knives when I
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was at school, not not thisprolifically, I honestly don't know when I
was when I know everyone alway saysthat well back in the day when I
was a child. But yeah,I feel like it's just so much worse.
It's getting worse and worse and worse. No, like the only kids
like I mean, I can't remembera specific moment where, you know,
someone had a knife at school.I'm sure it happened, right, but
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usually it was like a situation wherea kid finds dad's knife and wants to
show it off, right, like, oh, look at this, yeah,
right, not carrying it to afflictyeah, to inflict you know,
violence, No, exactly, yeah, And it just it really it saddens
me that that thirty three hundred andfifty eight thousand teenagers, I mean that
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in twelve months. That is isit's awful. It's absolutely awful. And
Adam's family, Alison, Cope andQuinton all doing fantastic work. They shouldn't
have to be doing this work.Alison should never have lost Joshua. Adams
family should never have lost Adam.Quentin should never have been stabbed. This
shouldn't be happening, but it is, it's happening. They also had another
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statistic was one in five teenagers admitthis skipped school during the last twelve months
because they felt unsafe. You knowwhat, it's not okay, it's not
okay. This isn't okay. Adam'sdeath is not okay. Joshua's death is
not okay, these moms, it'snot just mums. Please let me just
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because I'm just I had focused onthe mums. But the Joshua's mum,
she does go out and campaign.And I'm sure that Adam's dad has a
lot to do with all of this, but a lot of the time you
just see his mum and his sisters. And please, anyone if you have
information. I'm sure that if youknow about this, if you see Adam's
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name, you're going to look upbecause it's part of human psychology. It
is a known fact that people involvedin crime will search the crime. The
fact that we all have while phonesin our pockets that access the internet.
I'm telling you now, I wouldalmost one hundred percent guarantee that those two
people, the perpetrator and the otherperson on the bike, have googled Adam's
name and have seen what's being writtenabout them. But it wasn't just damn
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because how many people they say werethere, Like how many of the on
the bike, like four or five? Yeah, in addition to the other
two. Okay, you also mentionedyou said there had been arrests made,
but nothing's come out about about them. Do you know, do we know
anything about about those No, nothing, no, okay to me, I
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mean to me, I wouldn't beshocked if this was gang related, not
not you know, Adam being notagainst Adam. Yeah, I agree,
I agree. But it sounds tome like this was probably a situation where
this group they were out looking fortrouble. I wouldn't be surprised if the
person on the back of the bike, if they you know, might have
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been a younger member and this waslike there, I don't want to say
initiation, but it's like, youknow, it was their moment to prove
it a line of inquiry. Yeah, it's a line of yeah, different
lene inquiry to look at. Iagree. Yeah, this is definitely like
approve your yourself moment for you know. That's that's how I view it,
because there's nothing else that that wouldexplain it. It's it's not self defense,
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it's not it wasn't even really afight. No, no, it
wasn't a fight at all. No. And if you were going to be
that, if you're going to bethat feel that disrespected by some words,
you need to get some thicker skinbecause there's no need you need to be
cool. Yeah, huh, okay, But if that is you, and
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if you are listening and you've decidedto listen to this podcast about how what
we've said about the you know,the perpetrator, and what we've said,
then just think about that this wassix years ago. Adam now would probably
be married, He probably would havechildren. This perpetrator could now be married,
could have children. Imagine if thatwas your brother. Imagine if that
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was your brother on a night outand you hear that your brother had a
confrontation with a guy on a bikeand that guy on the bike stabbed your
brother in the neck. How wouldyou feel about that? Would you want
somebody doing everything they possibly can?Of course you would, And what do
you think that person deserves? Becausewhat you've just done is cold blooded murder
and there's absolutely no excuse for that. So anyone that does have any information
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that could assist in the investigation intoAdam's murder, because it still is unsolved,
can either direct message at pole CCso it's a murdercide police so it's
at M E. R P Ol CC, or you can call one
oh one. If you prefer notto speak to the police, you can
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stay anonymous. You can call crimeStoppers there is a reward out. Not
that you should do it for areward, absolutely not, you should do
it just because you're a decent humanbeing, but there is there is a
reward for this, and crime Stoppers'phone number is eight hundred five five five
one one one. You can visittheir website as well if you want to,
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but you can call leave that informationbecause if you know something and you're
saying nothing, what kind of humanbeing does that make you? Yeah,
So I'm just reading some stuff.It's interesting. So this was from last
year apparently, like this was letme pull it back up here. So
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one of the people that had beena restaurant suspicion of the murder with a
fifteen year old Yeah, back intwenty seventeen fifteen, Which is strange because
you also said the same thing.Is this a youth member? Is this
a younger person? There wasn't.I couldn't see anything, like I couldn't
see a description of it. Butthere are there is a crime There is
a crime Watch UK reconstruction so youcan actually see what happened. They've done
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obviously done the reconstruction, talking withAdam's family so that they could get it
right. So you can actually seewhat happened. You can watch that.
I would urge you to go toFacebook and definitely go to the Adam Foundation.
The website. You can go andhave a look at that. You
can see pictures of Adam. Youcan see pictures of his family, you
can see what their focus is,you can see what they're doing. You
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can also find his Facebook page.And the Facebook page is where you can
find that interview that I was talkingabout and watch that interview. Just watch
it because it isn't a horrific accountof how that family went through that awful
time and how now they are fightingfor some kind of justice. They're fighting
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for some kind of good to comeout of something so horrific. And definitely
look it up on Facebook. I'veI've just followed the page so I can
keep up to date with what's goingon and help in any way we can.
And yeah, I just urge youto do all you can in a
case that's not very old. Wedo always urge you to help in cold
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cases, but this case is fromtwenty seventeen. It's not long ago.
This could have been you, itcould have been me, it could have
been any of us. Just ona night out with friends and it just
makes me so mad, so mad. And that's yeah, that's this week's
case. And I will keep youupdated with anything that I find. I've
reached out to Adam's family to seeif they would be interested in talking with
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us, because I'd really like tohelp them as much as we possibly can.
Well, thank you for this.This was a very interesting case.
It's sad, really really sad.This is a case that's really Yeah,
it's really affected me this one.I feel really really bad for his family
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and for him. Hopefully, likewe always say, there's some sort of
resolution and something comes out from it, I hope. So yeah, now
I think it's time. It's timeto get some justice and to get this,
get this solved, and it willnever I don't. I think we
always say it will give the familyclosure. I don't think it. I
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don't think closure is the right word. I think it closes a chapter for
the family and it allows them tokeep moving, you know, it allows
them they get a resolution. Atleast, is that they know that the
person that did this is actually goingto pay for what they did. That's
what it gives them. It doesn'tgive them closure. It doesn't make everything
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feel better again, but it givesthem something, you know. Yeah,
so yeah, so I hope,I hope that they will get that.
I really hope they'll get that oneday. All right, Well, thank
you once again, and with that, how about we end this episode with
a little dumb criminal to in themood Hey use a dummy and use a
(44:07):
piece of shit, all right,chair, I actually could have two dump
criminals for you today, okay,and they both involve police chases. Okay,
okay, I love a good policechase. So just recently, a
thirty four year old man from Chicagowas arrested after robbing a jewelry store in
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the town of Lebanon, Indiana.Okay, Now, shortly before five thirty
pm. This is actually the lastSaturday. Police dispatchers received a call from
Kate Jewelers which said that a manhad stolen a undetermined amount of jewelry and
fled fled in car. Okay.Now, shortly after the call was made,
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a Boone County Sheriff Department saw thevehicle the vehicle fleeing and try to
pull the driver over. When thecar did not stop, Additional officers would
join the pursuit. Including some officersfrom Lebanon Police. According to the officers,
during the pursuit, the susset begansticking his hand out to you out
(45:15):
the window, motioning to the officers. Okay. Eventually the suspect vehicle was
hit by a police car and endedup getting boxed in where they were able
to place him on their rest.When the police asked him why he was
motioning to the officers, the suspectis quoted as saying, I was trying
(45:37):
to tell you you're not supposed topursue me. What So, apparently waving
your hand out the window is theinternational sign of hey, don't chase me,
go away. You're not supposed tobe pursuing me. I'm supposed to
get away with this. So,yeah, that doesn't work. What can
(46:00):
you imagine? Like, why wouldyou why would you think that would work?
Go away, leave me alone,Leave me alone, idiot. So
so that was the first one.Here's another one for you, real quick.
This was a real quick one.This one is uh is probably the
(46:22):
slowest high speed pursuits in police history. Okay, So there's occurred in Mobile,
Alabama when police were called to aPigly Wiggly store after they said a
man drove off in one of theirstores electronics shopping carts. Right, so
these are one of those carts whereyou know for older oh yeah, yeah,
(46:45):
okay, and they drive them aroundand and you know, well you
know you're supposed to drop it off. Well, this suspect decided to take
one, and he decided that hewas going to drive away with it.
So they don't. They don't.So officers were able to find the man
who the car because the car hasa toss speed of two point five miles
(47:07):
per hour. I was gonna say, I don't even think it goes even
five miles an hour because because ofthe sort of people, you know,
the elderly people that drive them.No, no, and then that probably
so end up being a sixty sixyear old man. They don't know where
he was headed in it, butyeah, but he had his home was
(47:30):
about a mile from Pickley Wiegly soas possibly you were driving home. We
don't know. But he ended upbeing arrested taking into custody in charge with
first degree theft. So as well, you're not supposed to pursue me.
Oh no, that's terrible, that'sbrilliant. Thank you for that we always
(47:51):
liked to do a dumb criminal atthe end of our shows, particularly after
this one. I also wanted tosay a massive thank you to fir Mama
from the Get USA. She hasgiven us a five star rating, which
is amazing. Thank you so much, and says I just started listening.
I've been binge listening while I puta lot on while I put in a
lot of holiday overtime at my work. The stories just draw me in and
(48:14):
I also love Cherry's accent. Keepup the great work. Thank you so
much, fir Mama. We appreciatethe time you've taken to give us a
review, and if you would liketo give us a review, we will
be eternally grateful and do happy dancesif you want to do that. Thank
you so much. I appreciate younice. I hate that accent and I'm
(48:36):
never listening again. Oh okay,well, firm Mama likes it, so
there. Thanks so much. Wewill be back next week with another episode
for you, and maybe hopefully alittle update on this one if we can
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