The Disappearance of Brian Vargo

College years are typically a time of significant transformation. For many, it marks the initial taste of genuine autonomy, starting a path toward personal discovery. However, in 1976, this quest for self-understanding might have contributed to the disappearance of a college student.



Takeaways

• The old school thinking surrounding marijuana as a gateway drug may have hindered the private investigator's investigation into Brian's disappearance.
• The Salvation Army's Missing Person Department played a role in the search for Brian, but ultimately no new leads were uncovered.
• Speculation about Brian's relationship with Kim raises questions about possible shame and confusion surrounding his sexuality.
• The family's belief in Brian's eventual return and their ongoing search for answers highlight the emotional toll of a missing loved one.
• Investigating a cold case after many years presents significant challenges, including the difficulty of obtaining accurate information and the fading memories of witnesses.
• The case serves as a reminder to be compassionate and understanding towards individuals who may be struggling with their identity or facing societal pressures.
  Chapters
  
  00:00 Introduction
  
  01:24 The Under-Appreciated Crime of Stalking
  
  03:48 Acknowledging New Patreons
  
  05:03 Introduction to the Case of Brian Vargo
  
  08:02 Brian Vargo's Background and Personal Struggles
  
  09:03 Brian's Arrest and its Impact on Him
  
  10:09 Brian's Emotional State and Letters to Family
  
  11:07 Possible Reasons for Brian's Struggles
  
  14:51 Brian's Academic Decline and Decision to Drop Out
  
  19:18 Brian's Disappearance and Possible New Life
  
  26:31 Concerns and Efforts to Find Brian
  
  34:55 Private Investigator's Focus on Drug Involvement
  
  36:40 Old School Thinking
  
  37:09 Private Investigator Investigation
  
  37:41 Salvation Army's Investigation
  
  38:59 Speculation about Kim
  
  40:08 Possible Shame and Confusion
  
  42:52 Exploring Kim's Identity
  
  45:29 Family's Belief in Brian's Return
  
  49:46 Late Police Report
  
  50:23 Difficulty of Investigating After Many Years
  
  54:45 Hope for Brian's Well-being
  
  55:33 Contact Information for Tips
  
  56:05 Discussion on Privacy and Family's Need for Answers
  
  59:19 Hope for Brian's Message to His Family
  
  01:01:39 Dumb Criminal: Stolen ID
  
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Episode Transcript

(00:37):
Welcome to crime Pedia. I amyour host this week. My name is
Morgan. I hope you are havinga wonderful day and with me this week,
as she is every single week,is my wonderful and lovely co host.
It's Cherry. Hello, Cherry,how are you all? Hello?
Hi? Everyone? All good?Thank you, very very good. Looking
forward to hearing your case this weekafter last week. Oh yeah, yeah,

(01:03):
tough. I don't think. Idon't think that there's ever a non
tough case that we covered, tobe honest though, But no, that's
true. Some of them just kindof sit. Some of them just kind
of sit with you a little bitmore, don't they. It's yeah,
there's some of them just kind ofyeah, it's it's it's a strange one.

(01:23):
Sometimes the case is that you don'texpect to be The ones that stick
in your mind are the ones thatyou're sort of thinking about before you go
to bed and things like that,and you kind of think to yourself,
is there is there something that they'remissing? Is there something If only I
could think of something that would helpjust push this case along a little bit,
that you could just you know,send off to law enforcement there will

(01:45):
maybe help. It would be helpfulto the case, to kind of,
you know, bring it, bringit all together. It's very strange and
talking to some victims of stalking thisweek, and that's a very underreported crime,
or an underappreciate crime, I thinkis probably the best way to put
it. The severity of it isvery underappreciated, and that really opened my

(02:06):
eyes this week to different types ofcrime. A lot of the crime that
we do, obviously is very serious. It's a murder, we do missing
persons, which is very upsetting andit's very worrisome for the families. We
don't do a lot of We haven'tor we haven't covered a lot of stalking
cases, and I think I don'tknow if that's because they're not as widely

(02:27):
reported or the fact that when theyare reported, it's because the stalking has
got to a point where it's veryserious and has has resulted in you in
dangering someone's life or killing somebody.So I think the actual the implications of
the stalking are from a victim's pointof view, I didn't realize personally were

(02:47):
as severe as they were until thisweek's It's really opened my eyes on that.
So I'm going to look into somemore cases of that, I think,
because I think that'd be important forpeople to listen to and understand.
Yeah, definitely. Well, beforewe get into this week's episode, we
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(03:07):
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you over there with us, andwe appreciate your support. Thank you so
much. Yeah. Absolutely, Well, this week, Cherry, we have
in another case. This is actuallya missing person's case from nineteen seventy six,
very interesting case and it's one whereto be honest, I am not

(04:32):
sure what happened. So hopefully wecan get this case out, people can
listen to it and maybe there's someoneout there that has some sort of information
and we can get some sort ofresolution. So this is the disappearance of
Brian Vargo. College years are typicallya time of significant transfer information. For

(05:02):
many it marks the initial taste ofgenuine autonomy, starting a path towards personal
discovery. However, in nineteen seventysix, this quest for self understanding might
have contributed to the disappearance of onecollege student. This is Crimepedia, and

(05:29):
this is the disappearance of Brian Vargo. All Right, Sherry. Brian Vargo
was born on September eighth, nineteenfifty five, the second youngest of five
children born to his parents, Ritaand Frank. He grew up in Houston,

(05:51):
Texas, where he attended Westchester HighSchool, where he was known for
his reserved demeanor. Now, Briandidn't necessarily fit in with the in crowd,
but he also wasn't excluded by hisclassmates. His personality was characterized by
shyness and a tendency to be quiet. While he wasn't involved in organized sports,

(06:11):
he did enjoy running and playing basketballrecreationally. He occasionally participated in social
drinking, taking advantage of the thenlegal drinking age of eighteen. His high
school in college years included smoking cigarettes, a habit that he documented in his
journals. Brian mentioned using running asa means to overcome his nicotine addiction,
noting positive effects such as improved wellbeing and weight loss. So good for

(06:36):
Brian that he was doing something towork on his health and try to break
that nicotine habit. Now. Aftergraduating high school in nineteen seventy four,
Brian moved to Austin where he attendedthe University of Texas where he studied architectural
engineering. Besides some normal college shenanigans, Brian had a very successful freshman year

(06:58):
at college, which included making theDean's List in the spring of nineteen seventy
five. However, during the summerbetween his freshman and Solmier year, things
began to change. Now, duringthe summer back in Houston, Brian had
an encounter with the police one earlymorning. Now he was stopped for driving
on the wrong side of the roadand during the stop, the police discovered

(07:19):
marijuana in his vehicle. Brian wouldbe arrested. Now in nineteen seventy five,
this was considered a fairly serious offensein the state of Texas. Brian
would be charged with a misdemeanor positionof marijuana and was given a sentence of
thirty days jail confinement. He alsoreceived a fine and a year probation that

(07:39):
was enforced by the Harris County ProbationDepartment in August nineteen seventy five. The
Harris County Probation Department did issue atravel permit so Brian could go back to
Austin so that he could return tocollege for the beginning of his sophomore year.
Now, family members believe that thisincident caused Brian to carry the shame
of being arrested around with him.In letters in general entries, he began

(08:01):
speaking of losing interest in everything andnot enjoying life. So there's a lot
of letters. Yeah, So Briandid leave a lot of written words,
you know, both in letters injournals, so we do have a lot
of information like his feelings at thetime, which is good. One of

(08:24):
the yeah, one of these lettersstated is that I believe that I have
fallen upon the scourge of revenge andblame in a time of failure. I
have only myself to blame for mymisgivings. I don't enjoy every part of
life. In fact, I haven'tenjoyed little, if any at all of

(08:45):
the past two years. So that'shorrible. That's a horrible to hear someone
saying that. That's really horrible toyou know, especially if that's your family
member, to hear somebody saying,you know, I've been feeling you know,
really bad for the last two years. That's a long time to be
feeding like that, right, Imean, I I kind of understand like

(09:07):
how he would feel after being arrested. So when I was eighteen, I
was with some friends at a atan octoberfest up in a small town,
and you know, being eighteen,we're going to do stupid stuff. And
so we decided, oh, let'slet's take some beers from his granddad's you

(09:28):
know, fridge whatever and drink himout back. And so we went and
you know, we're drinking beer andtwo police officers walked up and found us
and asked Fridy's and of course whereyou were under the legal drinking age of
the time, and so they tookus down to the police station and we
sat there and you know, Idon't I don't remember how long we were
there, but you know, eventually, like his granddad came to get us

(09:52):
and so, you know, gotus out and they told us, well,
you guys are going to get asummons to be in court and you
know look for that. So obviously, like I my parents and yeah,
yeah, but I thought my lifewas over right, So of course it's
not the worst thing ever. Yeah, oh no, yeah, it was
absolutely horrible. It's like, whatam I gonna do with my life now?

(10:15):
It's like now I'm a criminal?So yeah, I mean, so
it's obvious for me. It's it'sunderstandable how Brian would feel at that time.
You know, I just ruined mylife over over what a beer?
Yeah, yeah, and hindsight,not a big deal because that letter that
was the letter that was supposed tocome in the mail for me never arrived.

(10:35):
And you know why, well becausegranddad was like best friends with chief
of police and so he's like,hey, you know those are my grandkids.
They're good kids, and so theyjust it never happened. But yeah,
lucky, yeah, Lucky definitely lookingfor me. So not a not
a huge deal in life. ButI can understand why he would feel like
things were were kind of or thingswere bad. But if you're if you're

(10:58):
underage and you listen to this,don't drink underage kids, not a good
idea. You're not definitely is alcoholis Alcohol is gross, it's disgusting.
You could be drunken moderation when you'reover twenty. What's the legal age there,
twenty one? Twenty one, Yeah, twenty one, just wait till
twenty one. There's like eight months, right, something like that or maybe

(11:22):
maybe that's France, I don't know, yeah, eighteen eighteen here. And
also, and honestly, I reallyit's possible that there are two things going
on with Brian at this time.One Brian Brian could have just been having
the usual college student drama in Ankst, right, and so he was just,

(11:43):
you know, he's just kind ofhe's just he's just being a kid.
Really, I mean, twenty yearsold, you're still a kid.
He's just being a kid. Imean, he would he was probably trying
trying to figure out who he wasin this in the world, right,
And he'd probably have a hard timedoing that, which I think a lot
of people do at that age,right, Yeah, because you're you're an

(12:03):
adult, but you definitely don't feellike an adult, and you don't know
and there's a lot of changes goingon in your life and you don't know
where where you're going to go andwhat's going to happen. So, I
mean that could be one thing.The other thing is that he could have
been having some real life, reallife crisis in his life and he was
trying to understand what was going on, right, So I do think he

(12:24):
probably had a little probably both alittle bit of both. Right, So
he has to these this this conflictgoing on in his head about like who
he is and what he wants todo with his life and where life is
taking them. And I think thatkind of weighed heavily on him. Yeah,
And I mean, like you say, at that point in your life,

(12:46):
there's a lot going on and youare kind of still figuring out your
way in the world. I mean, some people are still figuring out the
way of the world and the wellinto their forties. You know, some
people are still trying to work outwhat the hell is going on. So
I think that you know, forhim, you don't know really from what
you're saying, it sounds really serious. But like you say, at that
age, you know, sometimes ifsomething happens, it can be like all

(13:07):
consuming it's the end of the worldfor you. But there's always a way.
However bad it feels, there's alwaysa way through. You can work
anything out. You know, it'snever it's never the end. There's always
a way to work things out.You can work through things. You know.
People's minds are very fickle and smalltown, small town mentality is very

(13:31):
fickle. But it changes and itwon't be you forever that they're talking about.
It will be somebody else. Andyou know, so I think it
sounds like he I mean to me, listening to what he's writing, it
sounds really serious, and it soundslike he's really struggling, but obviously we
don't know why exactly. Yeah,it sounds to me like he's really struggling.
It just sounds like he needs abit of help. No, absolutely,

(13:54):
I mean the other thing is,so there was another letter that he
had written. This was actually twoyears prior, so it was nineteen seventy
four, and I'll read this.It's kind of goes on further to kind
of explain like how he's feeling.So the letter goes to the idiot who
reads this. Hello, my nameis Brian Vargo. I am an eighteen

(14:15):
year old boy of two fifty yearold parents. I live in a so
called affluent neighborhood. So what todayI realize a tragic thing. I cannot
remember the last time I have shakenhands with my father. It might be
that I shook his hand prior towhen I was eight years old, but
chances are against it. Also,I have not kissed my mother but once

(14:37):
in the past eight years, giveor take a year. It could be
either of our faults or all ofour faults. But one thing is for
sure. Love is not reason.Love is not reason for the lack of
it. I hope you may thinkthat you may think this may not be
tragic and that I will live throughit, but I'm fry into a small

(14:58):
degree whenever someone touched me, notjust with them, with my parents,
it makes a wreck of my lovelife, that is for sure. I'm
probably not the first person who hasnoticed this in himself, but I am
sure that if you were that someone, you would be concerned. Ever since
I was eight years old, aboutthe time I first learned to cut the
grass. At that point that theletter would end right, So we don't

(15:22):
know if there's more or if thereare another page. But long story short,
I mean he's he's struggling. They'restruggling as this kid one hundred percent.
I mean that sounds to me likehe really really needs some help because
he's an internal struggle for him.He's trying to work out the relationship between
mom and dad and him and wherehe fits in in that family, and

(15:45):
obviously he's craving love and attention anddoesn't feel like he's getting it whether or
not. Mum and Dad feel likethey're giving that love and attention over and
not anything to say anything about theirparenting. But he is explaining that he
doesn't he missing that, he's missingthat affection and that in turn is making
him not affectionate in his then physicalrelationships as an adult. And obviously he's

(16:11):
now internally arguing with himself and strugglingwith himself about this things. He sounds
almost like it sounds almost like Ithink he could have benefited for some counseling.
I think, here, no,absolutely, And you know, to
have these feelings, I think isnormal in a sense, right, But

(16:33):
then with him are being shy andbeing quiet, it just compounds his situation,
right, So he's not outgoing.He might be. He wants to
find love, he wants to findaffection, he wants to find you know,
some sort of closeness with someone.But yeah, he's struggling with it.
He's struggling with it because I don'tthink he knows how to do it

(16:55):
and how to break out outside ofhis shell. I think at this point
in his life, I think that'swhat he's trying to do. He's trying
to break out of that shell.And I wonder if there's been some kind
of catalyst to this. I wonderif there's been some kind of event maybe
with a partner, or something's happenedthat's making him now, because he mentions,
doesn't he you know, if you'rethat person. I wonder if there's

(17:18):
something like that going on when maybesomething's happened with another female or a male
or something intimate and it's gone abit wrong, and now he's questioning everything
because that hasn't gone to plan.He wants it to happen, but it's
not happening for him. That soundsit'd be quite interesting to find out,
now, I do know. Likeso over this summer sevener or seventy five
when he ended up getting arrested,he did meet a girl who lived at

(17:42):
a state right and I believe shewas in Cheyenne, Wyoming. So the
two of them would write back andforth for at least a period of time.
I know at least in one ofthe letters, she indicated that he
should go up to Chyenna to seeher. But I think she was kind
of conflicted too, because she hada boyfriend at the time, and she

(18:07):
was like, you know, Iknow that he wouldn't like it if,
you know, if I were togo out with some other guy, especially
someone from Texas. So I thinkthere was some sort of it seems like
there was something between the two,but there's obviously things that were keeping them
apart. Yeah, it sounds verylike love anks. If you were to

(18:27):
ask me listening to this, ifyou to ask me the age range of
this person, this the writer ofthis, I would have said, I
reckon between kind of eighteen and twentyone. It's that kind of It's that
angst, isn't it of relationships andthe in and out of if it becoming
a more you know, high schoolit's not always an intimate relationship, but

(18:48):
when you get to college and youget him from there on, the relationships
change and it becomes more a bitmore pressure. And obviously if you've got
him like crushing on this girl andshe's crushing on him, but there's this
boyfriend involved and this, you know, he's feeling inadequate anyway. Her having
this boyfriend is going to make himfeel even more inadequate. So yeah,

(19:11):
I could this sounds totally like teenangst kind of thing to me. I
would think that's straight off to this. Yeah, he doesn't obviously feel like
he can talk to his parents aboutit because they haven't got a relationship.
By the sounds of what he's saying, the relationship isn't that close that he
could approach his father and ask for, like, you know, man and
man kind of chat to see youbecause obviously his dad's been in a relationship.

(19:34):
His dad has has been a teenager, he's been there, he's done
it. But it doesn't sound likethey've got the kind of relationship where he
can openly speak to his dad aboutthat. No. And I think that
from from what I've read and whatI've seen and what I've heard, is
it was the dad was a veteran. He was a war veteran, right,

(19:55):
so he wasn't It doesn't seem likehe was the most affectionate of people.
Not that he didn't love his children, but it's just it's just different.
I mean this is a different timetoo, right, Oh yeah,
so I mean this is a muchdifferent time. Yeah. So it seemed
like it was very much business likeyeah, yeah, right, Like they

(20:22):
they own their own restaurant, andit was one of those things where it's
like okay, well, and Iknow at one point it was like it
was either either you're going to goto college or you're gonna work on our
restaurant. And those are two options. Yeah, right, that's it.
You don't have You don't have anyother saying it either work in the restaurant
or you go to college. Andso I think, you know, Brian's
kind of like and that makes sense. I mean, Brian's trying to,

(20:45):
like, he wants to be hisown person, but I don't think he
I don't think he feels like hehas the ability to at this point because
college, Yeah, that's right.He has all these expectations of what he's
supposed to be and what he's supposedto do. It's like I said,
it's a tough it's a really toughtime for a lot of people. So
I know it had to be reallytough on him. Yeah. Now,

(21:07):
by the fall of nineteen seventy five, Brian was no longer doing well in
school. So this, I mean, this is a drastic change. I
mean, he just got off thedean's list, he had some incidents over
the summer, He's back in schooland now he's not doing well. His
grades did begin to fall sharply.During the winter quarter of nineteen seventy six.

(21:29):
Brian actually stopped going to three ofhis four classes, so he just
completely stopped going to like to mostof classes. Now, according to journal
entries from around this time, Brianindicated that he felt like he was missing
something intangible in his life, andso, yeah, it seemed like he
felt like he needed he needed togo search for whatever whatever he thought was

(21:51):
making Yeah, yeah, Yeah.On March ninth, nineteen seventy six,
Brian dropped out of school. Now, he would tell no one that he
had done so, so no onewas aware of the time that he dropped
out, right, So I believethat winter quarter ended on March twentieth,

(22:15):
So like we're talking ten days basicallyfrom when the school semester ended, and
after that was spring break. Sofor that, he actually told his friends
at that time that he was goingto go spend some time on a self

(22:36):
guided tour of Colorado during spring break. Yeah. Now, he would return
to Houston after dropping out to retrievehis nineteen seventy two Mazda RX two.
Now, this is a car thathe had bought on his own he had
gotten a job at a grocery store. But it wasn't the most reliable car.

(22:57):
It said that this car often hada hard time like even starting,
and so to even to get toget the car started, he would actually
have to get out and push doa push to get started, So he
had to push the car to actuallyget it started, right, So not
a reliable car. And this isthe car that he had planned to take
to Colorado. So he seemingly headedoff to Colorado, but somewhere along the

(23:22):
way the car would break down.Rather than have it fixed, Brian decided
that he was going to return toHouston to collect the title to the Mazda.
As he decided he was just goingto excel it off, all right.
Yeah, so he ends up backin Houston. This is confirmed.
He went back to his parents' house. At his parents' house, he searched

(23:44):
for the car title. After findingthe title, they believe he found the
title, his mother actually would drophim off at a bus station in Katie,
Texas, and Brian was never seenor heard from again at this point.
Okay, now, so he wasjust dropped off, So his mom

(24:10):
doesn't even know for a fact thathe got on a bus or that he
bought a bus ticket. Is assumedthat he did, but she didn't wait
to see him off. She justdropped him off and left. So we're
not sure exactly what happened after thispoint. Yeah, we don't know if
he got on the bus. Wedon't know where the bus even was going,
so no information whatsoever. When Briannever turned to campus or his apartment

(24:36):
after spring break, his family wouldbe notified by his roommates. Now,
initially, the Vargo family wasn't tooworried about this. They thought Brian might
have just gone on a journey tofind himself. Prior to leaving, Brian
actually did write a letter to hisfather that said that he needed to take
some time and to get away.Because of this, his family believed that

(25:00):
Brian would return when he was ready. Yeah, now things would change after
receiving a call from a mechanic inColorado whose shot Brian had left his car.
So Brian had actually taken it toa mechanic to have it looked at.
He left there before heading back toHouston. The mechanic would tell Brian's

(25:22):
family that he had not returned toget the car. He would also tell
them that the car had been brokeninto and that he wanted to settle up
with the car. So obviously,Brian owed the mechanic some money for I
don't know if it was for lookingat the car or for storage or whatever
it might been but mechanic wanted toget it taken care of. Now,

(25:47):
Brian's family is actually unsure of whathappened to the car after this, as
there is absolutely no evidence that thevehicle title was ever transferred to anyone else.
So no one ever saw the car, no one ever went to go
retrieve the car. We don't knowwhat happened to the car. Okay,
it just basically disappeared. Okay,right now, there was other some other

(26:12):
worrisome things. So Brian's wallet andwatch would be later found at his apartment
in Austin, so it doesn't appearas wallet with him, yes, right,
exactly? Could Yeah, now thereis possible evidence that he might have

(26:32):
gone back to Austin before going somewhereelse. There were people that did come
forward and say that they did seeBrian over spring break. Obviously it's you
can't confirm it was Brian or not. But there were people that said,
yeah, he they did see himafter his after this last date that or

(26:52):
after being dropped off at the busstation at Katie. But like I said,
there's no no confirmation of this.But besides, people believe believing that
they did see him. I believeone person said that he saw him,
He saw Brian talk to him,and Brian had told him that he had
been to Mexico and that he hadlost in virginity with someone in Mexico in

(27:14):
the in a bathroom. So,which doesn't sound like Brian at all.
Right, No, I don't seelike being an introvert, being shy and
quiet. I don't see him likehooking up with someone in a Mexican bathroom,
to be honest, unless he wentthrough some crazy change in a very

(27:34):
short period of time. Yeah,there is that. I mean, it
makes you kind of it makes youwonder whether I mean, he's contemplating life,
he's contemplating on is contemplating what's happening. By the sounds of things from
what you said, the relationship betweenbetween him and his parents isn't a close

(27:56):
one. And if that's the case, I mean, does he have any
brothers and sisters or is he anonly child? You know he is he
is one of five? Yeah,okay, so he has got brothers and
sisters. Okay, Oh yeah,of course no, because I've read that
Brian's sister. They they've done so, they've all uploaded their DNA. The
family have uploaded their DNA to likesome gd match thing to see if they

(28:21):
can find which is which is brilliant, But it sounds so wonder if for
this particular case, this sounds likehe's a candidate for having gone and started
a new adventure. This is thisis a candid That's how it kind of
sounds in that he's struggling with lifeas it is, and he he would

(28:41):
be a candidate for somebody who hasgone, Okay, I'm just going to
go off and start something new,start a new life, and be a
new person and be the person thatI want to be rather than the person
that I am. But it soundslike he's struggling with the person that he
is for whatever reason. So it'svery interesting to It's very interesting to see.

(29:04):
I mean, his family are campaigningonline to try and get his story
out there as far and wide asthey can. They obviously care for him
very very much. They obviously do, and his siblings obviously care for him
too, So it's very it's veryinteresting that his parents. There's not I

(29:25):
haven't been able to see a lotabout his parents kind of like campaigning to
find him, but there's yeah,we'll get we all get to that that's
it. That's it's a very that'sa very interesting point. We'll get to
We'll get to that because you broughtup another point. He'd be sixty eight
sixty Yeah, so he's going tobe like, yeah, it's that's a
whole lifetime. You know, ifhe was, if he was still gone

(29:48):
and started again at twenty, hecould have a whole new family, a
whole new background, a whole newlife. You know, he could have
been living across the other side ofthe world where ged matching isn't going to
be a thing. It is believedthat Brian did have a fake ID at
least at one point. Yeah,so the interested to know if that if

(30:10):
that's what he used, like ifhe didn't have his wallet and if his
ID was in that wallet, ifhe had that fake ID and that's what
he used to start a new life. Another thing is he's got quite a
he's got the look of him.It's quite an individual look. He has
this long, beautiful blonde hair.If you were to cut that hair short
or shave it, he would notlook like the same person. His facial

(30:33):
features aren't so defining that he wouldlook the same either way. If you
were to cut that hair short,he would look like a completely different person.
His hair is very long, verythick, very wavy, so it's
quite difficult when that's the photo thatyou've got to share. It would be
very interesting to see some maybe ageprogression pictures of him without the because I

(30:55):
would think if he had the longhair, if he if it's his choice
to go missing when he decided that. If that's the case, he's going
to try and make himself look asdrastically different as he possibly can. So
that hair is going, he's goingto have shaved that short and changed his
look as much as he can.So it would be very interesting to see
he had that what's it called DavidCassidy. If you're old enough to know

(31:17):
who David Cassidy is, he's kindof got blonde David Cassidy locks. I
think that's how it's kind of comethrough to me. Absolutely that's interesting,
So it would be very very Hewould look totally different, so be interesting
to get. Maybe it'd be greatto see a composite somebody that could sit
and do some different progression pictures ofhim, perhaps looking very different to what

(31:40):
he does in that picture. Thatcould help you know somebody if they saw
it go, oh my god,that's you know, Joe from the corner
store, you know, because itlooks just like him. Because the younger
picture of him. Necessarily people aren'tgoing to have seen, are they.
No, exactly exactly. Now,Brian's mother, Rita would contact the police
and laying her concerns about his disappearance. But as Brian was an adult,

(32:05):
there was very little I do.Yeah, of course, right, so
yeah, they would you know,people can an adult can leave whenever they
want. They could disappear whenever theywant. Yeah, yeah, I mean
there's we can't really do much tohelp you because of this. There are
no records of Brian being reported asa missing person filed with police in either

(32:25):
Houston or Austin. Now. Shortlyafter this, Brian's family would hire a
private investigator to look into his disappearance. According to one of Brian's roommates,
the private investigator's line of questioning seeminglyindicated that his approach was that this had
to have been drug related, whichno, really, I'm not sure about

(32:47):
that. It is not. Now, while Brian had been around some addicts
while living in Austin, Brian onlysmoked marijuana and drank beer. Sotal thing.
When you've got a case like thiswhere somebody just seemingly goes missing,
the natural thing to do is tothink of all scenarios. So you go

(33:07):
down that is it a trafficking Hashe been trafficked out of somewhere? Has
he? You know, has hebeen has he been murdered somewhere? Has
he? Everybody considers every single thingbecause there isn't really anything leading either either
way. It's just a complete stopin his story, isn't it. There's
nothing, really And it's strange obviouslythat his wallet is found at home and

(33:28):
that kind of stuff back in hisapartment. So I think that's the thing
everybody's trying to cover. And Idon't know how helpful that is. I
don't know how helpful that is ina case like this, that people are
speculating that he's got something to dowith drugs, and I don't know if
that's very I mean, your bestbet would be to talk to the family
on that one. And the bestbet would be to speak to their family
and find out because if he's gotbrothers and sisters, if that's the case,

(33:51):
his brothers and sisters are likely toknow whether he's the kind of guy
that's going to have been involved indrugs, because as a sibling, that's
the kind of stuff that you don'ttell parents, Like a sibling code.
Isn't there that you and your siblingsget away with and do things that parents
don't necessarily know about. So Ithink the key here would be to speak
to the siblings and to see thatI think they would have a better idea

(34:12):
of the real Brian than maybe maybea parent. You know. Yeah,
I mean I understand, once again, I said this a little bit ago,
but this is a completely different time, right, Oh yeah, marijuana
was looked at it's a gateway drugand people that do marijuana they're troublemakers and
you know, next thing, youknow, that's gonna lead them to doing
heavy drugs and then and so Ican understand, you know, this is

(34:37):
like an old school way of thinkingabout things. So, yeah, the
private investigator is gonna gonna look like, Okay, well, he obviously is
a druggie because he does marijuana.So let's let's you know, let's kind
of dig into that. Yeah,right, it doesn't work. I mean,
it shouldn't shock you that that thisinvestigation by the private investigator would cold

(34:59):
code very very quickly, so nothingcame out of it, which is a
shame. It's a shame for thefamily because obviously they're pinning everything on as
much information as they can, tryingto get as much information out of everybody
as they can, and it's veryfrustrating for them for it to just stop
like that, you know, it'svery frustrating. Yeah. Absolutely. Now

(35:19):
this is actually interesting because I didn'tknow that this was a thing, but
in nineteen seventy seven, Brian's mother, Rita reached out to the Salvation Armies
Missing person department. You know,you know what the Salvation Army is,
right, Oh yeah, yeah,we have that here. Yeah, so
apparently I don't know if they stillhave it, but at least in the
seventies they had a missing person's departmentthat would work with families of missing persons,
right. Yeah. By April nineteenseventy eight, the Salvation Army began

(35:46):
their investigation into Brian's whereabouts. Theywould pursue leaves indicating that Brian had had
mentioned plans to travel to Colorado inaddition to California. So now they're looking
into the Colorado look into California.Maybe he went there. See if they
can find anything. Now, allleads were actively followed up. The organization

(36:10):
also planned to request the Social SecurityAdministration's help in forwarding a letter to Brian,
hoping to obtain a current address throughthis method. Okay, so they're
trying to see because if Brian wouldhave worked using his Social Security number,
the Social Security Administration would have somesort of address. Yeah, of course,

(36:34):
but there was no There was nothingon him, so after his disappearance
in nineteen seventy six, there wasno activity on a Social Security number,
so he hadn't received any sort ofpay using that number. Okay, Now,

(36:54):
I'm just I've just had a thought, you know, you said that,
like he had this this thing goingon with this girl. Are we
one hundred percent sure it was agirl? Do we have a name for
this person? Kim? Yeah,Kim, So not just a girl's Kime,
because Kim could be a guy's nametoo. So I'm wondering. I'm

(37:16):
wondering that because obviously, back inthe seventies, homosexual relationships weren't as widely
talked about as they are now andwidely accepted as they are now. And
I wonder if Kim was a manor or a guy at least, and
so that maybe these letters, maybeit isn't a female, maybe it's a

(37:37):
maybe it's a male perhaps, Imean, did they ever did they trace
Kim? Did they ever trace Kim? Or I think they did? I
think, if I'm not mistaken,I think it was. I do think
of a female, and I thinkthey were able to trace her to This

(38:00):
was much later, either in Arizonaor New Mexico. Oh right, okay,
because I was just thinking that mightbe a reason to, you know,
to move away and start again.You know, if if he knew
that that relationship wasn't going to beaccepted widely or it was going to bring
shame on the family, and thenthat would explain also some of the kind

(38:22):
of wording in his letters about beingtouched. And if you're that person,
you know, it's kind of likehe's it's kind of like he's leaving a
message for somebody who he thinks isgoing to read this prior to him not
being there, and it's kind oflike it's an explanation to somebody. Like
if you're that person, then youknow, I mean, why wouldn't you

(38:45):
just write because this is a journal. Why wouldn't he just write in the
journal? Or because you know whathappened and I don't know, for some
reason, you know this happened.So that makes me think that he's writing
that knowing that somebody's going to readit because of the language that he used.
So I was just thinking, Okay, so what would make it shameful?
What would make a reason for youto not that it is shameful?

(39:07):
But obviously at the time, whatcould be something that he would be ashamed
of or he would be worried about? Could that be it? Could it
be that Kim was actually a guyor there was a guy involved? I
mean that is it a confusion ofsexuality? Is it that that you's struggling
with? Because I'm trying to thinkof what you you know, at the

(39:27):
age of twenty, the kind ofthings that are a huge deal to you
that you struggle with, and relationshipsare a huge like we've said, are
a huge You know, you changevery much between your twenties and your forties
in relationships, And so I'm wondering, could this be that he believed,
rightly or wrongly believes that the relationshiphe's having is inappropriate, or it's he
sees it as a problem, orhe doesn't think people are going to understand.

(39:52):
And that's why he's kind of likegone off to start again under a
new guys and a new you know, a new him. But he's kind
of written that letter like he knowssomeone's going to read it, because do
you write a journal. You writea journal for yourself. Usually you don't
usually write a journal knowing that someone'sgoing to read it. But he's written
that there to the idiot that's goingto read this, so he knows someone's

(40:15):
going to read that. So ithas that been something he has manufactured himself,
knowing that someone's going to pick thatup and and read that. Just
thought it was just it just poppedin my head as you were talking about
it. I thought, I wonderif Kim's actually a man, So I
just checked on this. So theywere okay, So they were able to

(40:37):
find a girl named Kim Right whohad lived in lived in Cheyenne. What's
interesting is in a letter that shehad written to Brian, she mentioned I
told you she was dating someone else. His name was Bill Samuels. Okay,
apparently they found this a girl namedKim who was in Cheyenne, who

(41:02):
went to school with a name witha guy named Bill Samuels. Okay,
okay, So they were able totrack her down and ask her about about
it in a letter and ask abouther relationship with Brian, but she stated
that that that was that it wasnot her who wrote that letter. Maybe
he was having a relationship with Bill. No, no, I don't think

(41:28):
so. Doesn't it seems strange likeyou've got that they've tracked her down and
she said, no, it's notme. But in the letters they found
out that she's in a relationship witha guy called Billy. Bill Samuels are
there in that school you know that'sin Cheyenne exactly? How interesting? Yeah,
you have a cheerleader name Kim whois in Cheyenne, who goes to

(41:52):
school with Bill Samuel. So thisis the thing, This is what I'm
saying to you. I mean cheerleading. There was a lot of males involve
and cheerleading back then too. SoI don't know, I'm not I'm not
one hundred percent sure this Kim,or whether these letters are from who who
it's been signed by? Could itbe that they're signing this letter under a

(42:13):
different name. I mean, itcould it be that it's like that.
I don't know. I don't knowwhy that makes me think. It just
kind of makes me think that it'swritten that journal entry for a reason.
And I would say that if itwas, if it was someone else's writings,
letters and going through that effort,that's a lot of effort to be
putting in to it, you know, depends how you both are, Yeah,

(42:36):
but it depends how interest It dependshow if that was frowned upon in
your family. But that's the wayyou feel, you would have to be
elaborate because you wouldn't want anyone tofind out. It would be shameful.
Not it isn't shameful by any means, but to that family, it could
be very shameful. So you would, you would might you may have to
go out on a limb. Youmay have to be very I don't know,

(42:59):
it's just a thought. I justI don't know why I thought that.
It just kind of made me think, Kim is it can be both,
It can be both a female animeleNo, I mean it's true.
Now back to the Salvasian Army realquick. So they actually did advise Brian's
family to draft a letter to himthat was warm and express concern about not

(43:22):
having heard from him, and thenindicating their egerists to communicate. Now,
the letter was it was advised thatthey avoid any content that might distress Brian.
This letter would be written on Apriltwenty sixth, nineteen seventy eight,
and said this is okay, I'mgoing to read this to you, and
I just wanted to see get youropinion on this letter. So just know

(43:44):
that they want it to be warm. They wanted them to express concern about
not having heard from him. Yeah, they wanted them to indicate their euganists
to communicate and to avoid any anydetail or information or any content that would
distruss him. Okay, so letme see what you think about this.

(44:06):
It says, my dear Brian.It is such a beautiful sunny day in
Houston, and I hope the sunis shining in all aspects of your life.
Also, some nice things have happenedto our family since you left,
and would enjoy sharing them. Wehave tremendous concerns over not hearing from you
in over there over two years,and Dad and I and your brothers and

(44:27):
sisters have such a great desire tobe in touch. Then it went into
Christina is making her first Munich firstunion on May fourteenth. Then it says,
we share the idealism you have alwayshad. Ps we have a new
number also, so please write okay. So not maybe not warm in the

(44:52):
sense that we would say is warm, but for their family, that could
be how they that could just behow they are, So that's warm in
their in their way. I mean, yeah, obviously if I was right
in that, I would be sayingI love you, I miss you.
I just want to know you're okay. I hope you're okay wherever you are.
But it is a soft It issoft, like they're saying, oh,

(45:15):
you know, the sun shining.They're not focusing on the fact that
he's he's missing and he's left them. They're trying to sort of kind of
play it down a little bit,so I can see what they're doing.
But in the sense of it beingwarm as I would feel loved and warm,
maybe maybe not so much. Thereis one line which like kind of
really rubbed me the wrong way,which was and I don't know something about

(45:37):
it. If I would have readthat, I mean, I could see
how Brian could have misinterpreted that whenthey said, some nice things have happened
to our family since you left.See, I see that's the other way
they're trying to kind of like say, there has you know, since you've
left. It's been sad, butsome nice things have happened that we want
to tell you about. You know, it kind of makes it. I

(45:59):
take it as share them with you. Yeah, I kind of take it
as like, oh, great,because I left, now these nice things
are happening. So it's funny,Sea. Yeah, isn't it funny how
you can read the same letter butthen interpret that two different ways, and
seeing Brian could have completely interpreted thatdifferent to the way we both have.
Yeah, you know it's yeah,look at just looking at it from a

(46:21):
parent's point of view, I cansee what they're trying to do. I
can see what they're trying to say. But yeah, disappointed a little bit
that there's not you know, welove you and miss you. But then
that might not be their way.They might not that might not be how
they how they speak, in whichcase it would be strange for them to
write that, And he would belike, my dad would never say that,
or my mum would never say that. Yeah, that's true. Now,

(46:43):
it was all or not anyways,because this letter would end up being
returned to the family since they couldnot find an address for Brian. Yeah.
Now, despite all the efforts ofSalvation Army, Army was unable to
uncover any new leads in the casewould be closed in nineteen eighty. Okay,

(47:04):
now I said this earlier, I'llsay it again. Brian's parents always
believe that he he'd come back whenhe was ready. Yeah, And because
of this, Brian was not reportedmissing to the police until February second,
twenty twenty one. Right, Okay, So so he went what forty how

(47:25):
many years was that like, fortyforty four years, forty six years,
whatever was without being So for fortysome years, there's absolutely nothing in regards
to Brian Vargo. So there's noearly police investigation. No, So you

(47:46):
have to go back. I mean, think about how difficult that investigation would
have to be. I mean youhave to you're starting, you have to
start from scratch, and you haveto go back over forty years to try
to figure out what happened to BrianVargo. Well, you've got that golden
hours. Well, and truly gone. It's gold more than a golden decade.

(48:06):
Absolutely. I mean that makes thingsso difficult. Things it does.
Even now you go back and interviewhis friends and family, people that he
interacted with, what they remember fromthat time could be completely different than what
actually happened. Yeah, of coursethat's right. It's got you know,

(48:27):
people's memories change over time a lot, like even now, Like if you
were to ask me, if youwere to ask me about something that happened
when I was in college, likewhen I was living with friends in college,
I can remember events, but Icouldn't tell you, like when they
happened or if event A happened beforeevent b I know that they happened,

(48:53):
but I don't know where in thetimeline they actually occurred. So that goes
back to that goes back to Yeah, that goes back to like, oh,
yeah, I saw Brian. Youknow, he said that he got
on a bus and went to Mexico. I mean maybe that did happen,
but who knows if that happened duringthat spring break or did it happen beforehand,

(49:15):
did it happen after he you know, Withdrew on March ninth, Because
there's a ten day window, whereyou mean, what is he doing during
that time? So how can weactually take these events and put them out?
You can't accurate timeline. You can'tbecause it's human error, isn't it.
You can't. We're not computers.We don't always remember things photographically.

(49:37):
I mean, I really hope,I really really hope for Brian's family that
he has taken himself off to adifferent place and he has had a lovely,
long, happy life being the Brianthat he wants to be. And
sad as it is that his familyaren't involved in that, I really hope
that that's what's happened to him.There's nothing really here to say that anything

(49:59):
nefarious has happened to Brian. There'snothing to say that, and I understand
the family still fighting to find outbecause that must be horrible for them.
They're not knowing if he's okay.Even if he just got a letter from
him just to say I'm fine.I just need to be you know,
I just need to be me fora while, but I'm fine. That
would that would make his mum atleast know that he was okay, And

(50:22):
that's very sad being in a situationwhere you don't know where your child is
or your brother, you know,you know, if that's your your family
member, you don't know where theyare and you don't know if they're okay,
And you think, okay, maybehe is, maybe he is off
living a really good life. Butwhat if he isn't. What if I
give up and he's counting on meto find out what happened to him?

(50:45):
So it's so difficult as a familymember to know whether you keep fighting and
keep trying to find someone that doesn'twant to be found, or to give
up. But then if you giveup, could it be that actually he
needed you to find him. Whata dilemma to be put into. It's
a very cruel. It's a verycruel situation to be living. And I
really feel for his family and ifhe is out there somewhere and when this

(51:07):
pops up, because there will bethere will be podcasts that have talked about
this, or there will be peoplethat have done you know, missing person's
articles about this, and I'm surehe'll be named in there somewhere if that's
the case and he has read them, I really hope that he could at
least drop a message back home tosay, look I'm fine. I just

(51:27):
I couldn't be that Brian anymore.At least then they've got they know,
at least they've got some kind ofidea that you know, he's not hurt
somewhere, or somebody didn't take himand traffic him off, or you know.
I feel for them so much becausethat must be really really hard for
everyone. I feel for Brian.I feel for his family, his friends.
I mean, yeah, it's unfortunate. And yeah, like you said,

(51:52):
I I hope that he's out there. I hope that he found whatever
he was looking for. And Ihope so found love. I hope he
found you know, you know,he's out there with a healthy, loving
family. Yeah. Look, yeah, exactly. And I hope so too.
I really hope so. And Ihope one day, if he's ready
and if he wants to that hecan, you know, get in touch

(52:15):
with his family and let him knowthat he's okay and that yeah, you
know, he he's had a goodlife. Yeah, I hope so too.
I really hope so now. Imean this, Yeah, at the
time at the time of his disappearance, Brian Bargo was twenty years old.
He was approximately six feet tall,and he weighed about one hundred and fifty
pounds. He was driving a whiteMazda RX two with Texas license plates and

(52:39):
may have gone to Colorado. Aswe said, he would now be sixty
eight years old. I mean,now, if you do have any information
about the disappearance of Brian, it'sasked they it's asked that you call the
Austin Police Department at five one twonine seven four five to two one zero.
So, I mean, his height'snot going to change, is it.

(53:01):
His height's not going to change verymuch over the years. The height
is going to be round about thesame. I mean, maybe he would
shrink a couple of inches, buthe's not going to be He's not going
to, you know, now goup to six for eight or anything.
So, I mean, it wouldbe interesting if you have somebody in your
family that doesn't really have very muchof a past or doesn't really talk about
their life growing up, or youknow, has no brothers and sisters and

(53:22):
no kind of traceable background, wouldbe very interesting. Have a look.
I mean, there's a Facebook pagethat you can look at that is dedicated
I think it's run by one ofBrian's family, and it's called searching for
Brian Vargo missing have a look onthere, because I think it's his niece
that runs that page. And ifyou've got any questions, I'm sure she

(53:44):
would be happy to answer the questionsif you've got any ideas. So if
you do have somebody in your familyperhaps that is very you know, maybe
fits that description or has is aroundthat age, and you're kind of I
mean, what's the harm in asking? If you're wrong, you're it doesn't
matter, but at least you've askedthe question. But this, this reminds
me to remember. This reminds meof the guy that the case that we

(54:07):
did with the Irish guy Peter Bergmanwho was in Ireland that you know,
had committed suicide they think on thebeach that had been and deposited all that
stuff in the bins and got ridof all of his idea and stuff.
This kind of reminds me of thatbecause a lot of people contacted me after
that case and said, what ifhe doesn't want to be found and you're
doing an episode on a guy andyou're not you're not honoring his wishes.

(54:32):
He obviously didn't want to be foundfor a reason. Why would you do
a case about him. And myanswer for that one was because of his
family. You know, his familydon't know where he is. And you
know, we didn't go any asany further than that. And I understand
and I guess that we might havethe same with this. What if he

(54:52):
doesn't want to be found. Whatif he doesn't want you guys to be
put in his picture out there andhe doesn't want to be found. But
yeah, that's unfortunate. There's alot of things that I think that went
into this over the years. Right, So, taking the assumption that that
Brian did run off and start anew life somewhere, it started because of

(55:17):
he felt like he was missing somethinghe was he had the shame of the
arrest. Yeah, he wanted andso he leaves at some point I can
imagine like him thinking well, howcan I like face my family again after
after I left? Right? Yeah, of course, how can I get

(55:38):
back? Yeah? And then ifyou imagine him, just okay, imagine
if view you did this, youtook off, and then you start wondering,
like, are does anyone even carethat I'm missing? That I'm gone?
If anyone looking for me, becausethere's no please report because there's no

(55:59):
investigation. Yeah, you know,maybe he's like looking at newspapers and there's
like no nothing about a missing youknow, college student. So he's thinking,
well, no one's looking for me, so no one really cares that
I'm gone. So then he starts, he goes on with his life.
So maybe he doesn't even know thathis family was concerned for him and they

(56:19):
were looking for him, they wantedto find him. Yeah, yeah,
maybe he doesn't. Maybe maybe hedoesn't know. Maybe he moved across you
know, maybe he moved to acompletely different country and has no idea that
people are still looking for him.And maybe, like you say, the
shame of what happened with the arrestand everything, he feels like it's too
too much water has gone under thebridge to go back, and that he

(56:42):
would just be causing, you know, upset for his family, didn't want
to go back to that life again. Perhaps that is and I really hope
that that is the case. Ihope that he's alive and he's well,
and he's safe, and he's lovedand he's in a family that love him,
and I hope that his life hasturned out how he wanted it to
and for his family. Unfortunately,if that's the case, they're not going
to know that. So I feelfor both sides, you know. I

(57:04):
feel like I'd like Brian to havethe life that he wants because everyone deserves
that. But on the other side, his family want to know that he's
okay. Even if they just knowthat he's okay, that would then help
alleviate the stress and the upset thatthey've got. That's all they need to
know. They don't need to knowwhere he is, they don't need to
know anything. All they need issomething that will one hundred percent prove that
it is Brian writing the letter orthe email, something a fact in there

(57:29):
that only his family can corroborate,because then that stops all of the hoax
ones that that there is bound tobe just all that. That's all he
needs to do is just email themor message them and just say I'm fine,
I'm okay, don't worry about me. That's it, and then they
will stop. They'll stop worrying,you know, and they'll stop the what

(57:50):
if. And you know, Ireally hope that happens, and I'll keep
an eye on this. I reallyhope that the family get the answers that
they want some from this. Yeah, thank you. Absolutely. It's a
really really interesting, really interesting storyand something that could happen to any of
us, you know, oh easily. Yeah. I mean it's a little

(58:12):
harder in this day and age tocompletely disappear like that, but that's right.
I mean it can still happen.It can still happen. But yeah,
I mean, you know, someoneone day can decide, you know
what, I just I need somethingelse, and they can just get up
and as is their right and itis their life, as is their right
to do that. You know,they're adults. They can do that if
they want to. So, yeah, well let's hope that Brian, if

(58:34):
you are listening to this, justlet your family know that you're right,
and that will be it will easea little bit of suffering for them,
at least they'll know. Yeah.So after the case every week, if
you don't listen every week and thisis your first time listening, because of
the cases that we do and thekind of cases that they are, we
like to leave you with something thatmight make you smile. So this is

(58:55):
a segment that we like to calldumb criminal, Hey, captain, stupid
poopy pe Hans use a drummy.This criminal is a complete, a complete
dummy. Now, this was aman from Iowa City who was a security
guard, so working on the doors, and he lost his driver's license or
he had it stolen, he believed. So he went to work one evening

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and is working at the security ofthe club that he works at. This
guy tries to get into the club. He asks for his ID and the
guy gives him his own driving license. That's his ID. How stupid?
How stupid must you be to usethe license that he's stolen that obviously has
got a picture of the guy onit and give him it as if it's

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your ID. That guy, thesecurity guard must have looked at that gone
what mine? Could you imagine ifthe guy that the guy was like,
no, no, no, no, that's me. That's obviously me.
What are you talking about? Yeah, that's right, that's right. Okay,
what's your address? And the onethat they want? What are you?

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I don't know. So yeah,this week's dumb criminal is someone who
was dumb enough to steal something andthen give it back to the very person
that they stole it from. I'mguessing it was probably I'm guessing it was
a college student that that that hadtaken it. I'm guessing, I don't
know, trying to get into Yeahmaybe what have you said? It was

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a club? I mean, theonly way you really need to use a
fake ID or a store ID isto get in. So you're probably under
twenty one, right, yeah?Yeah, So what happened? What happened
with the what'll happened with the guythat was trying to use it? Do
we know? Yeah? So hewas arrested, Yeah, arrested, arrested?
Yeah, yeah, and you saidit was you said it was Iowa

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City, right, Iowa City?Yeah, okay, so that's where the
university. Yeah, it's probably it'sgoing to be a college student. It's
amazing. So that is this week'scriminal. You gotta be silly to do
something like that. Look at thepicture, dude, look at it.
You know, surely the guy lookssurely the guy looks like his picture.

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How stupid? Oh definitely it didmake me chuckle when I saw that one.
I do want to thank you forsending me that video from OURMB criminal
last week. So there's actually videoof the guy who got naked and got
into the like the little aquarium slashwaterfall at at or the bath Pro shops.

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Right, Yeah, I'll see ifI can. I'll see if I
can put that onto our Instagram.It was from let me just say,
it was from Christa. So yougot to thank Christa for this, and
she sent me this. This isthe video of this week's dumb criminal.
And you can actually see the securityYou can see the naked guy like jumping
into the into the pool in thisit was in like a was it in

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a chopping mall or something? Himwasn't it it was a Yeah, it
was Dick's or not Dix. Itwas bath Pro shops. It was a
store, yeah, big outdoor store. Yeah. So you can actually see
you can actually see him completely naked, jumping in and out of the water,
and you can see the security cardstelling him off. It's just their
love in life, jumping in andout of the water, completely stark naked.

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Yeah. I don't know if Ican save that video. I don't
know if I can. I can, I can forward it, but I
don't think I can. Oh,I can save I think I can save
it. I would save it asnaked guy and see if that works.
And I can actually see if Ican actually post it on our post it

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on our hopefully, because it waslike that. It was brilliant because when
she said it, she was like, I thought it was another one.
I thought it was like, here'sanother one for you, and then she
was like, this is this week'sdumb criminal and I was like, that
is just genius. That's absolutely brilliant, really good. So thank you Christa.
We really appreciate that. If youwant to send us anything, by

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all means you can do, justsend it through to us on Instagram is
probably the fastest way to get ananswer from us, both because we're usually
they're more than we are anywhere else, so Instagram or you can email us
cherryot crimepedia podcast dot com or Morganat crimepedia podcast dot com, but your
fastest and most chance of getting aresponse is probably from Instagram to be fair.
Yep, definitely, So thank youvery much for joining us. We'll

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be back next week as usual withanother episode for you. Next week it'll
be my episode, and for now, be nice and bye.