October 24, 2024 • 43 mins
On the morning of March 12, 2011, Rachel Orteli, the manager of a Lululemon in the suburbs of Washington D.C., walked up to the storefront ready to start her day and get the store opened. As Rachel approached the front door, she noticed that the door was already unlocked. Once inside, Rachel found the store in disarray: clothes thrown about, mannequins knocked over, clothing racks tipped. Immediately concerned, Rachel ran out of the store and called 911. When police arrived and further entered the store, they discovered this was not just a robbery. They found 30-year-old Jayna Murray dead and facedown in a pool of blood in the back hall and 28-year-old Brittany Norwood in the bathroom bound at the wrists and ankles with zip ties. Listen to this week's episode to hear what happened.
SOURCES:
1) Timeline: Lululemon Investigation and Trial
2) Macabre Daily Pt. 1
3) Macabre Daily Pt. 2
4) YouTube: Snapped (Season 9, Ep19)
5) Murder Victim's Brother: Murray Would Have Been "Insulted" To Learn Another Employee Was Stealing
6) Jayna Troxel Murray Obituary
7) Brittany Norwood's Murderpedia Page
8) Photos from Brittany Norwood's Murder Trial
9) Lululemon Murder Wikipedia Page
SOURCES:
1) Timeline: Lululemon Investigation and Trial
2) Macabre Daily Pt. 1
3) Macabre Daily Pt. 2
4) YouTube: Snapped (Season 9, Ep19)
5) Murder Victim's Brother: Murray Would Have Been "Insulted" To Learn Another Employee Was Stealing
6) Jayna Troxel Murray Obituary
7) Brittany Norwood's Murderpedia Page
8) Photos from Brittany Norwood's Murder Trial
9) Lululemon Murder Wikipedia Page
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This episode may contain content of a graphic nature, including
descriptions of physical and sexual violence against adults, children, and animals.
Listener discretion is advised.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hi everyone, I'm Tanya and I'm Tleah and we are
Crimes and Consequences, a true crime podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Hey Shannon, Hey Tanya. How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I am doing great? How are you?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I am doing pretty good.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
I was on YouTube this afternoon and going over some life.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Choices I've made in these fifty four years.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
And I thought, you know what, I may have missed
my calling on becoming a watercolor artist.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I fucking love watching those water colors. I just want
to pull out my paints. Everything else be damned. I'm painting,
and you know, so I got to bring myself down. Yea,
what do you do that? How is your day?
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
It was good, busy at my new job. And you know,
I have also been questioning every life choice ever made
in my life. So it's been a it's been a
depressing week, but quite heavy.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Quite a heavy week, it is.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I told you it's not like I have a bad life,
because I don't.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Yeah exactly, you know, just some choices.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
I shake an angry fist at the sky about you.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Know, and I'm sure some of our listeners can relate.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
So absolutely, you're a good company.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, we're we're in a good company. But if you
want to do a watercolor, I'd be happy to buy
your first I'll be your first commission.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Oh, thank you, you're inspiring me. I think it's not
really good. Something in the pinks.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yes, Oh, she got what she.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Got for us.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Today, I have the Lulu Lemon murders today. Have you
ever heard of the Lulu Lemon murders?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
I have not.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Okay, well, this is one you all need to buckle
up for. So and so. Yeah, you're in for quit
the gruesome story. So first, I'm going to tell you
about a woman named Jana Trexel Murray. She was born
in Wichita, Kansas, November twenty second, nineteen eighty. So she
is a Sagittarius.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Ooh she is.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
And she was born to her very loving family. Soon
after her birth, the Murray family moved to Houston, Texas.
Gina had two older brothers named Hugh and Dirk. They
were both married at the time of our story. He
was married to a woman named Kate, and Dirk was
married to a woman named April, and they had two
boys together, Kasey and Jay. So she was an Ean. Yeah.
(03:02):
The Murray parents, Jana's parents, they were David and Phyllis.
They were just unbelievably proud of their three children and
and you know they love their grandchildren. I mean, they
were just a really tight knit family.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Nice. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Jana's dad, David, was a special operations person who did
two tours in Vietnam. And in the Murray family there
was a strong sense of right versus wrong, all American
values right quote unquote.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Sure, and the military very black and white.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Right. Jana being the youngest and the only girl, she
really was the glue that held this family together. Her
brothers and their wives loved her so much. As she's
growing up and making a life for herself, the Murray
family is seeing her thrive and they're really excited. So
when Jana started college, she studied at Saint Louis University
(03:58):
in Madrid, Spain for two years, before finishing her bachelor's
degree at George Washington University in Washington, d C. In
two thousand and three. See, that's another life choice I
didn't make with studying abroad.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
So I exactly gotta scribble that one offer good.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
For your lifetime column.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Good for you, Jana, I know, good for you. So
during her undergraduate years, Jana also did a semester at
c and I don't know what that entails, but it
sounds fun, right does. And after graduation, Jana started working
for a company called Halliburton, where she was a market
rep for five years. We've all heard Halliburton, right, oh yeah.
(04:45):
With a love of learning and goals to accomplish, Jana
decided to continue her education at John Hopkins University. That's
quite prestigious.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
I'm so impressive with education. I love that. I love
it time. Everywhere she went, if she wanted it, she
went after her.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
She went after it. She was working toward earning a
dual master's in communication and a master's in Business administration.
She left her job at Halliburton to focus on school
and decided to take a part time job as a
sales team leader at a local Lululemon store. This job
really allowed her to feed her passions of dance, travel,
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and animals. She was also extensively involved in volunteering with
various different groups and organizations, and working at Lululemon gave
her networking opportunities and just like a positive energy around
the work place. You know. I guess it was a
really good place to work.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Nice culture, good culture.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, the Lululemon franchise really spoke to her personally, and
she planned to apply to the Lululemon corporate office in Vancouver,
British Columbia. I didn't know based either. She was going
to apply there after graduation, after she got her dual
master's degree. So while Lululemon was originally a part time
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gig for Jana, she fell in love with the company
and ended up dedicating all her studies toward the company
and wrote her thesis about Lululemon.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, probably for her business administration degree.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Although Jana had finished her thesis, she continued to work
at the store because she loved it, and by the
end of it, she went from part time to truly
part of the Lululemon family right, all while juggling her
master's program and working at the Lulu Stupid or not,
but yeah. Jana was also in a long distance relationship
(06:45):
with her boyfriend. His name was Fraser Bosel, who was
also a student at Washington State. Jana and Fraser had
been together for a long time and they were starting
to plan a future together. Fraser had actually asked David
and Phyllis if he could have Jana's hand in marriage
after they both graduated.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Wow. I know.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Her relationship with Fraser was also part of the reason
she wanted to work in Vancouver. Fraser was living in
Washington at the time. The state Washington State, not Washington, DC,
so she would be in the corporate office was close
and Fraser's living in Washington, so you know, it's kind
of ideal, right. Jana was described as the girl who
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was incredibly ambitious and willing to approach change had on.
What she didn't know was that her life, unfortunately, was
about to tragically change and all of her goals and
dreams would come crashing down.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Oh boy.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
So on March eleventh, twenty eleven, Jana was working the
closing shift at the Lululemons store in Bethesda, Maryland with
her coworker, twenty eight year old Brittany Norwood. Jana was
a very trusted store employee and was the only person
working that night who had a key to the store. Seemingly,
(08:02):
the night ended normally and both women went home safely However,
the next morning, March twelfth, store manager Rachel arrived at
eight am to reopen the store for the day, and
when she arrived, she noticed the front door of the
store was unlocked, which was very unusual, and Rachel figured, well,
maybe Jana just forgot to lock it the night before.
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So Rachel goes into the store and she notices that
something's wrong. There was a mannequin that was laying on
the floor, clothes had been thrown about, and some clothing
wracks had been tipped over. So Rachel immediately thought the
store had been robbed, and she quickly exited the building.
You know, she was planning to run to the nearby
(08:45):
Apple store. It was right next door to the Lululemon
in the Strip mall, and that's where she was going
to call the police from. But that day, Apple was
releasing the iPad two.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Oh my goodness, and.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
The line was already growing long outside of the store.
People lined up to her on that new iPad, and
one of the people in the line noticed Rachel because
she was frantic, and that person jumped out of line
to check on her, and after explaining what she had
seen in the store, the person from the line his
name was Ryan. He offered to walk her back into
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the store and check things out for her so that
she would feel comfortable to start her day, you know,
in the store.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
And yeah, the police arrived, right.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
You know, after all, if it's just a robbery, there's
nobody it's just merchandise it's being stolen or from the
cash register, like, there won't be there, shouldn't be anybody
like a criminal still there.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Hopefully not right.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, And in fact, if you go to Lululemon, they
have a policy that if someone comes in and steals,
they just let the person walk with whatever and they
report it to the corporation and police only if necessary.
Oh my god, I'm not encouraging anybody to steal anything, but.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
What are we going to Lululemons?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah, I don't know if they still have this policy,
but at.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
The time, sure, yes.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Rachel agreed with Ryan, and so the two of them
headed back into the Lululemon store. The further they went
into the store, the more damage. Though. They noticed the
cash register had been opened and emptied, along with the
safe that was inside the store. At this point, Ryan
and Rachel they're convinced that this is just a robbery.
(10:40):
It just has all the telltale signs.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yes. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Rachel headed to the back room, where she found shattered
glass and a total disaster of merchandise. But what really
alarmed her was that she found blood, and a lot
of it. Looking further, there was a trail of blood
that looked like someone had been dragged across the floor,
and there were two sets of bloody footprints of different sizes.
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Upon this discovery, Rachel and Ryan literally ran back to
the front of the store and immediately called the police.
Rachel didn't feel comfortable going back into the store, but
Ryan was concerned that maybe someone was there that needed help,
so he went back inside on his own to investigate further.
(11:25):
He went over to where the trail of blood was
and he followed it further to the back of the store,
and that's where he found a battered woman laying face
down in a pool of blood with a rope tied
around her neck. He knew right away that this woman
was dead, of course, he was probably panicked, a little
flustered whatever, and in shock when he heard a faint
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moaning sound coming from the employee bathroom. After what he
just saw, Ryan wasn't completely sure he wanted to follow
the sound, but he did. He braved it, and in
the bathroom he found Britney bound at the ankles and wrists,
arms above her head, covered in blood and barely breathing.
This sent him running again to the sidewalk out front
(12:13):
to tell Rachel what he found and say she needed
to call nine one one again and raw immediate medical attention,
not just the police.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Right.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
So, on the phone with nine one one the second time,
Rachel frantically said that one person seemed dead but the
other was breathing, and you know someone had tied up
this woman, right, So, Brittany was covered in cuts all
along her arms and legs. She had a large wound
on her forehead, and there was a Lululemon shirt wrapped
around her neck. The cratch of her leggings had a
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huge hole torn in them, leading police to believe that
she'd been sexually assaulted. At the time, Brittany wasn't responding
to like questions and stuff. She seemed to go in
and out of consciousness. Ana, however, was the one that
didn't and her body was just absolutely battered. An autopsy
would later reveal that Jana had been stabbed at least
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get this three hundred and thirty one times.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
That is fucking diabolical, Right, that is unnecessary.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Right, you know how long? I mean not that I've
done it, but do you know how long it must
have taken to stab her three hundred and thirty one times?
Speaker 4 (13:25):
I mean that is something that Yeah, usually I hear
goes with crimes of passion. You gotta hate that motherfucker
and go bind and rage.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Right.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
If that's not this, then it's this is overkilled sick.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah, it's so sick. So it was clear that her
death wasn't quick and that it was a slow and
brutal attack. Police found various items around the store that
were most likely used in the attack. They found a
bloody hangar, a rock, wrenches, a hammer, a knife, and
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they found a peg that was normally used to stand
the mannequins, like maybe like in the back of them
or something. The police believed that these items were used
to attack the women. With Brittany being alive, she was
rushed to the hospital for medical treatment. She only ended
up needing a few stitches, and they did do a
rape kit at the hospital. Police were grateful that most
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of her wounds were superficial because for Jana, they now
have this brutal murderer, whoever did this to her on
the loose, and you know, they need to apprehend this
person as soon as possible, and maybe Brittany can help
them identify who did this as soon as she was able.
Brittany told police what happened that night. She said it
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was like any other closing shift. She had only been
hired six months prior, so she was relatively new to
the store. After the final customer left around nine pm,
she and Jana locked up the store and they started
their closing duties. They counted the cash straw, they straightened
things up, and they got everything ready for the next morning.
All the women left together and Brittany watched Jana get
(15:06):
into her car before Brittany walked over to the train station.
When Brittany got to the train station, she realized she
forgot her metro pass in the store and she wouldn't
be able to get home. Since Jana was the only
one with the key and Britney's knew she had to
call the few contacts she had of other coworkers to
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see if they had Jana's number. She called her, you know,
she gets it, and she calls Jana to ask if
she could meet her back in the store so that
she could get her metro pass. Being the awesome human
being that she was, Jane, of course you know that
she was going to meet her. It'd just be a
few minutes, and then they met back at the store.
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Brittany recalled that Jana told her she had actually left
her laptop at the store, so she really didn't mind
turning around because she was going to grab that instead
of having the store The next day, when Jaya arrived
back at the store, Brittany said that she unlocked the
door and the two women went inside, closing the door
behind them but not locking it. Brittany told the police
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that while Jana grabbed her laptop right away, she couldn't
find her metro pass where she thought it was, and
Jana started to help her search for it. During their search,
Brittany and Jana were ambushed by two men in black
ski masks. Brittany recalled that a bigger man grabbed Jana
and hit her over the head, knocking her to the floor.
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A smaller man grabbed her and dragged her by her
hair to the employee bathroom and Brittany told police that
this is the last time she actually saw Jana. The
smaller man eventually brought her to the registers and the
safe and forced her to open them and put all
the cash into a black backpack that he had. Brittany
was then taken to the back room, where she was
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zip tied and tortured by the smaller man. Brittany recalled
the man holding her by the hair with a knife
to her throat, threatening to slit her throat. Brittany told
the police that the man raped her and was very
careful to not inflict any wounds that would kill her,
but have her begging for him to stop, so he
don't you know, he's probably like slicing her and stuff like.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
That, Oh right.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Brittany then said when he was done with her, he
left her alone in the back room for a while,
and when he came back, Brittany recalled that he sexually
assaulted her again with a wooden storehannger.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Brittany then told the police that during her attack, she
heard violent and horrible screams coming from Jana in the
other room. Eventually, the screams went silent, and both men
carried Brittany to the other room where Jana was. At
this point, Brittany wasn't sure if Jana was alive, and
she told police that the two men told her she
was lucky that she got the better version of the
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attack because she was more fun to fuck, is what
she said.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Oh my gosh, yeah, it's disgusting pigs.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Right During her recount of the night to police, Brittany
was absolutely distraught and she felt like this was all
her fault because she was the one to call Jana
and ask her to come back to the store so
she could get her metro pass. Right after hearing Britney's story,
the police were immediately getting to work to try and
gather any information they could about these two masked men.
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Lucky for them, the Apple store that was located just
next door had CCTV cameras that pointed at the Lululemon storefront.
Apple was the only store on the strip that had
cameras pointed there, so they were lucky. H On the
security footage from Apple, they did find two white men
who were dressed in all black with beanies on that
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walked past the store around the time Brittany claimed they
were attacked. Not only did Apple provide the CCTV footage,
but four employees that were working that night basically heard
the entire thing at the Apple store.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
The three employees and one secure regard stated that they
started hearing screaming coming from the store like two women
were fighting. They heard one woman saying, please talk to me,
don't do this, talk to me, what's going on. The
arguing was followed by wails, screaming, and crying until they
heard a woman say, God, help me, Please help me. Unfortunately,
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the Apple employees didn't call the police at night, a
choice that could have changed Jana's.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
I don't even under I was just thinking, how do
you fucking hear someone begging?
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Yeah, Hi, I'm over here.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
At the Apple store and I'm hearing the next door
someone's screaming right right, easy, peasy, lemon squeezy.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
I can't tell you how many stories we've done where
people see something, hear something, and don't call the police.
And I always think I would call the police, right
like I think I would.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
I would hope I think I would. When I hear it,
I for her life.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I think if I was in the next store next
to it and I was at the time, fucking I'm
calling the police right exactly, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
One store employee actually said the screaming was so loud
it sounded like whoever was screaming was actually in the
Apple store and not next door.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
And still no call.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
It's still no call. No After all that noise, the
store employees reported that then they heard some grunting sounds
and it sounded like something big was being dragged or
moved across the store. The Apple store manager told police
that they felt like it was just some drama and
it was none of their business.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Maybe, I don't know, ye cowards will say something of
that lane.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Oh, I thought they were play acting. I thought it
was some Shakespeare in the park, my bad.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
At the fucking Lululemon. Yet exactly. Not one of them
who was working at Apple that night felt like they
needed to least go check on whoever was there despite
everything they heard through the walls. Oh, it's just unbelievable.
Police were also able to use the store security system
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records to know when the alarm had been armed and disarmed.
It was armed at nine forty five when the women
first left the store, and then disarmed at ten five pm,
assuming that this is when Brittany and Jana returned to
the store to get the Metro pass and laptop. With
a timeline coming into place, police were now starting to
focus on Jana's car. Brittany had recalled it Jana parked
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in front of the store, but the next morning, Jana's
car was nowhere to be found. Police were now thinking
that the two masked men must have likely stolen Jana's
car after the attack. Luckily for police, Jana had Texas
plates and being in DC, it was most likely going
to be you know, maybe easy to spotter. Yeah, there's
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like millions of people, but I don't know. Her car
had actually been spotted the night of the murder. Around
mid night, a few blocks from the store, a police
officer drove past the parked vehicle and said the lights
were on inside and there was one passenger. Two hours later,
around two am, that same police officer drove by Jana's
car again, and this time there was no light on
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and no passenger inside. Jana's car was still parked in
that same spot, and police were able to take it
in as evidence. Right while waiting for fingerprints, DNA and
any other evidence, they could collect from the car. Police
focused on finding the two men from the Apple CCTV footage.
Although they did have them on video, the angle wasn't
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that great and even though it showed them, you really
couldn't be a lot of information from it, right. A
detective decided that he was going to do a stakeout
on the storefront, hoping that the two men would return
to the scene, and they did. Believe wow, When he
saw two men he thought may have been the attackers,
he walked up to them, showed them a photo of
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the CCTV footage and ask them if he recognized them.
Both the men immediately told the detective that the guys
in the picture were them and that they worked at
a restaurant a few blocks away from Lululemon. The men
often walk together because they lived in the same direction.
They were wearing all black because that was the uniform
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in the restaurant. Okay, so detectives were able to quickly
verify their alibi. None of the evidence that they had
was now adding up, and detectives were starting to realize
that maybe some of the details Britney told them wasn't
adding up right. What was really getting at them was
that Jana's attack was so much more brutal than Britney's. Yes,
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like stabbed three hundred and thirty one times and Britney's
not stabbed once.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Yeah, Brittany has a whole bunch of superficial razor blade
or knife blade cuts that maybe Purel will sting.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
The fuck out of. But yeah, you still gets through life. Right.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
It was, you know, just unusual how different they were treated. Right,
So let me tell you a little bit about Brittany Norwood. Okay,
Brittany was born and raised in Washington State to a
huge family. She was one of nine children, and her
father ran a small business. The Norwood family didn't have much,
but all of their children had goals and dreams. Brittany
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played soccer growing up, and she was being recruited all
across America to play college soccer. She was apparently really
good nice. She ended up signing with Stonybrook College to
play college soccer on a scholarship, and this was her
big break. She was able to move across the country
and follow her dreams. Her college soccer career quickly ended
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when she left Stonybrook in two thousand and three after
being accused of stealing from many different people, including teammates
and roommates.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Oh boy. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Brittany was even accused of stealing from random people on
CA campus. While charges were never filed, this destroyed her
soccer career and her educational pursuits. She was kicked off
the team, she lost her scholarship, and she was thrown
out of school. Wow, yeah, that's what happens. Fuck around
to find out that's right.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Yeah, I'll keep you in. Don't touch other people's things.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah, you know, just don't don't steal shit?
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Right by that? Sound like a bitch here? Don't touch
other people's shit, right? I mean?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Good God? Any time to do some soul searching. Britney
moved to Washington, d C, where she was able to
be close to two of her sisters. Upon arriving in DC,
Brittany got a job at the Willard Intercontinental Hotel and
started to rebuild her life. She was successful at this job.
She started at the front desk, but was soon promoted
(25:54):
to VIP guest services. While it was a great job,
she was feeling lost because this wasn't what she pictured
for herself. She was probably also you know, questioning her
life choices.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Sure, sure, Brittany always.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Had a dream of becoming a personal trainer. She was
dedicated to her own physical fitness and the whole world
of fitness in general. In her spare time, she was
attending various workout classes and hoping to be able to
immerse herself in that community, you know, in.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Her news of that culture.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Of that passion was what led Brittany to getting a
job at Lululemon at the Georgetown store in twenty ten.
In early twenty eleven, Brittany transferred to the Bethesda location
of Lululemon, and she was almost a perfect salesperson. She
was fit, outgoing and people were drawn to her. She
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really sold the Lululemon brand, you know, looks and all like.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
She's a perfect wocking model of it for sure.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
At the time of her transfer, it was only supposed
to be temporary. Brittany was to expand her horizons and
wanted to get a new job at a fitness center
near the store. That was all before the night of
March eleventh, twenty eleven, when Brittany seemed to have snapped.
With this feeling that Brittany was possibly involved in the murder,
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police decided that they needed to look at the case
from the start again. The first thing they noticed was
that the supposed attackers didn't bring any of their own weapons.
All the weapons used in the attack were things that
were found in the store. Not only that, but if
they didn't bring any weapons, how did they plan to
get into the store. It was clear that the suspected
(27:38):
robbery was supposed to happen after the store was closed. Also,
you know, I mean, how are they going to get
in if they didn't bring anything?
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Right?
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Also, it's typical that after robbers get the job done,
they leave the scene as soon as possible to lessen
the chances of them getting caught. Right. According to Britney's story,
emptying the registers in the safe was one of the
first things they did. But then they started this attack on.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Both Yeah, this timeline is all stinky.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah, so this really wasn't adding up to police, And
there was more. The bloody footprints in the store were
a big question mark. There were two different sets of
footprints found at the scene, one men's size fourteen that
was actually a rebock, and the other footprint was a
much smaller woman's size. If there were really two attackers,
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there would have been three sets of footprints men and
then Britney's since she was still alive. At the scene,
one men's size fourteen shoe was found, and police assumed
that maybe the attacker ditched it at the store before leaving,
but the store manager, Rachel, debunked this theory immediately by
telling police that the shoe was property of the store
(28:53):
and they allowed customers to use it when trying on
clothes to complete the look. Okay, yes, they got shoes there,
you can try on.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
That is so crazy.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Nice they have men's clothing at Lululemon.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Yeah, if you want to complete the all sall. Yeah,
we got some shoes you wear that you can't have lies. Yeah,
you're gonna need a shoe.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
What was even more odd was that it appeared that
the bigger bloody shoeprints were exactly on top of the
smaller shoeprints. Either the attackers were quite literally following the
exact same path, or these larger prints were meant to
try and cover up the smaller ones.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Going even further, the gash on Brittany's forehead didn't make sense.
Why would the attacker aim for the middle of her
forehead and not the side of her head. What made
more sense with that injury is if Brittany was on
top of Jana stabbing her, that she could have accidentally
hit herself in the forehead right. Additionally, Britney told police
(29:53):
that the zip ties that were used to tire up
came from one of the men's backpacks when they actually
belonged the store. Like that, She said the robbers brought
the ball.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
From their own supplies that did not exist. Yes.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Furthermore, the zip ties on her hands had teeth marks,
indicating they were tightened up by teeth and not hands,
which is something Brittany would have to do if she
was tying herself up. Yes, the biggest discrepancy was simply
the difference between the two attacks. All of Britney's injuries
were superficial, and her rate kit revealed nothing. Brittany told
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police that the attackers had told her they knew her
address and they were using Rachel slurs against her. Brittany
painted the picture that she was potentially the original target,
but it was clear the attack on Jana was personal
like USA. This led police to believe that maybe Brittany
was involved with the attackers and it was a robbery.
Gone wrong. It wasn't until later in the investigation that Rachel,
(30:54):
the store manager, told police that they were actually having
problems with Brittany in the workplace. It seemed that she
and Jana didn't really get along, and not only Jana,
but other employees had problems with right well, they were
suspicious that Brittany was stealing from the store and other coworkers.
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These suspicions went so far as there was actually a
meeting held with store owners and managers to come up
with a plan to attempt to prevent this. The protocol
at the store was that whenever an employee brought a
bag to work and was leaving after their shift, the
manager at the store at the time would check their
bag to make sure that no one paid items were
(31:35):
in their bag.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Right.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
So this was not only for Brittany, but it was just,
you know, regular protocol for all employees.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
So it wasn't well common practice. I remember working at
some shop, same thing. If you're working with makeup, little things,
big things, things that can be hidden, you know, right,
I don't know, plushy legans that can easily roll up
and hide in up part of your purse.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Right, right, Yeah, they're not bulky at.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
All, Oh gosh, not at all.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
The day before the murder March tenth, twenty eleven, Jana
went to do a routine bag check on Brittany before
she left, and Brittany told Jana that another employee had
already checked her bag. When Jana double checked with that employee,
they said that they didn't actually check her bag. So
Jana reported this to Rachel that you know, she was
pretty sure Britney stole another pair of leggings, and now
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police are like, is this.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Her motive against Jana.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
By March eighteenth, twenty eleven, Brittany was arrested for the murder.
When police brought her in for interrogation, Brittany added more
details to her story and it just was not adding
up even more, police decided to take a more personal
route and bring in Brittany's brother, Chris and sister Marissa.
When the siblings were all inside the interrogation room, police
(32:56):
ran through all the evidence they had against Brittany, and
Marissa completely broke down, having to leave the room to
attempt to calm herself. Yeah, police left Brittany alone in
the room with her brother Chris, and Chris asked Brittany
to tell him the truth so that they could get
this worked out, to which Brittany replied she didn't want
to talk about it there, So this personal approach.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Had worked nice.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
It was now believed that Brittany became aware that her
coworkers were onto her stealing, and she knew that she
was going to be fired soon if she was caught again.
Brittany was likely called Jana to meet her back of
the store so that they could discuss the accusations Jana
told Rachel. But once the conversation wasn't reaching a resolution,
it turned violent because remember those Apple employees that there
(33:39):
was women like arguing.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
We sounded like two women screaming at each other.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yes, So, Brittany's defense attorney claimed that this was absolutely
not a premeditated murder, but an undiagnosed mental disorder. He
claimed that it was clear that no one in their
sound mind could commit the atrocities that Brittany did that night. Okay,
but they were committed.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
It committed so much that she was able to make
herself look like she was a victim. That sounds like
a very clever and planned and and survivalistic mode of
horrible lying and there there it is there. I don't
get like how three hundred and thirty one stab wounds
(34:23):
that sound like mental illness? Okay, yeah for sure, especially
because they're not like lovers or something that would that
crime of passion that is you know in such cases.
But this is just straight up rage and hey, this
is we all know it's from her childhood.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yeah, you know, everything stems from your child.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Everything stems is her stealing and what she was one
of nine and nine. I don't have our stories of
why we do what we do or why we think
we're justified by circumstance.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
But exactly right, like yew. The trial lasted six days,
and then Brittany was quickly sentenced to life in prison
without the possibility of parole on January twenty seventh, twenty twelve.
Brittany has never talked about what exactly happened that night
between she and Jana right This trial and the entire
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situation was extremely difficult for Jana's family, the Murrays. This
was especially because they originally felt horrible for Brittany, thinking
that she too was a victim of this violent attack.
After sentencing, Brittany gave a public apology to the Murray
family in front of a packed courtroom. Brittany stated that
prior to getting up there, she was unsure if she
(35:43):
would even speak. Brittany told the courtroom and Jana's family
that while she knows her statement will never take the
pain away, she hopes that the family can one day
find it in their hearts to forgive her. Brittany and
her legal team were hoping that the judge would sentence
her to life with the possibility of parole to give
her some hope. But noop, no, no, Yeah. Judge Robert A.
(36:09):
Greenberg said that after every single one of the three
hundred and thirty one plus wounds she inflicted on Jana,
she had an opportunity to think twice about what she
was doing and stop, but she didn't. So. Judge Greenberg
told Brittany that she was devious, in control in one
(36:29):
hell of a liar.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
I agree, I agree, all three devious, one hell of
a liar. Hmmm, I don't even really think. I don't
believe she wants forgiveness. She just wants to be known
that she said it. Yeah, that's what I don't Yeah,
I don't really feel any kind of empathy or because
if she's stealing and she doesn't care, and so she
(36:53):
loses jobs, loses her scholarship, loses her athleticism, scholarship, everything,
and so uh leper doesn't change its spots without a
humongous miracle. And not that I don't believe in miracles,
but it's really about the intent of the heart, you know,
(37:13):
and I think her intent was very narcissistic.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
She suffered these consequences of you know, stealing shit from
people at school, you know, like you said, lost your scholarship,
lost her chance to finish her degree, be on the
soccer team, do all this, and then she gets this
job at Lululemon and she's doing the fucking same shit again.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
And then she's, yeah, so jealous of Jana because she
is everything. She is knocking everything that is lands in
her hands out of the park.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Like she is going to school and like her life
is on the right track. And yes, the manager.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
There her she's Lululemon.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
But you got someone like Brittany who's like me, me, me,
It's got to be about me. I'm gonna I mean,
how do you not get along with someone like Jane?
That Jane sounds like some of the one that would
be easy to get along with and inspiring.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
To be like Carrie, does she you hear what she
gets done?
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Yeah, And don't tell me you didn't fucking plan it either.
I don't for one second. Because she had the whole
fucking ruse about the metro pass. She could have attacked
Jana when they locked the door initially.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Yeah, oh exactly.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
And and you know instead of like making this story
about you know, having to go back and oh can
you let me back in the store, and you know
all of this. So I'm thinking, like it had to
be planned. What I just dying to know, like what
she stabber with? What was there? But I mean, because
I think weird shit. But yeah, if you're using all
(38:44):
the ship in the store and it's at a point
where you know you can attack Jana and Jena can't
run away, I think you've probably like looked at the
ship in the store maybe briefly, right.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Yeah, oh you know where to find stuff, right, you know?
Speaker 4 (39:00):
And fuck those Apple I mean, God bless them, but
those Apple employees.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
I listen in to that shit.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
I have heard stuff and I know when I mean
nothing to where I've needed to call the police.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
But I am an X nine one one operator, so.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
I kind of know I got a little edge, and
as a human being, the edge of I think someone's
gonna get hurt, right, the screaming is of at least
get Like the screaming would have me something like that
might happen.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah, and somebody, I mean if God know, please know,
I mean.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Yeah, God no, please no? And then dead silent.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
That would make me super suspicious, like maybe them fighting,
you know, the screaming like maybe that wouldn't necessarily like
like you said, like I don't know if I would
feel like they were in danger, like yeah, but then
when the screaming turned to somebody sounding like they're begging
for their life, yeah, or begging for something to stop,
that would really give me pause.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
I would just be like, yeah, you know, just do
even a window check, like just come out and take
a look, because something is fucking amiss.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
And you know they were all scared to leave, oh
yeah for sure?
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Or not on the wall, Hey is everybody okay in there?
Speaker 3 (40:14):
If you would have scared the ship out of Brittany.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
Right, I would have been like, hey, guys, I think
all the blood would have drained out of my body.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Oh, I would just when not bring you to ye
out of your mental but I'm.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
Oh, yeah, God bless Janea and our family, Brittany and hers.
I mean, her life is gone. Her family sounds very
supportive as a big family.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Now, I know everyone these stories, it's not just the victims,
like it's just no lateral damage of their families and exactly.
You know, I think about we did that story about
Jacob Wetterling a few weeks ago. Yeah, I think about
like his parents actually stayed together and they even though
I think they probably had a time where their marriage
(41:02):
hit like a rough patch. I can only imagine the
pain and suffering that they went through. And let alone
every other family who's had you know, somebody, it can
be generational damage. Yes, I just think about some of them.
You know, some of these people had children, have children,
and then their children grow up without a parent or
maybe like mom kills dad or dad kills mom, and
(41:23):
so now you have no parents and it's just.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
It's and then you're known as the you know, oh
my mom killed my dad or my vice versa that.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Oh yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Dad, it's just sad that, you.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
Know, just so how do you get out from under there.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
But then that's like the riddle of life, you know, exactly.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Well, thank you Shannon for the Oh.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Thank you for bringing this story. I'd never heard of it.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Yeah, this was a brutal one, like Jana really went
through it. I feel bad. I feel really too.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
Yeah, and probably even see how do you think in
that culture of Lululemon, you do not see that kind
of behavior coming?
Speaker 2 (42:05):
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Speaker 3 (42:49):
Yes, I'm on it.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Yeah, you're on it, so bless your little heart. I
would just like thank everyone again, and everyone seems very
welcoming to Shannon.
Speaker 4 (42:59):
Yes, guys, I love you and I love just spending
time with you, and I love spending time with Tanya.
So you guys always give me an opportunity to do both.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
You fucking love it.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
I know we get to catch up before I do.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
I love it and bring Taro to the table, and
some I just love knowing, like the little bits of
the story.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
What was his sign? Yikes a libra whoa. We love
you libras so right.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
But until next time, Tany, you take care and I
love you and you too.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
You too.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
I'll see you next time.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
Bye, I'll see you. Bye.
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Hi everyone, I'm Tanya and I'm Tleah and we are
Crimes and Consequences, a true crime podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Hey Shannon, Hey Tanya. How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I am doing great? How are you?
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I am doing pretty good.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
I was on YouTube this afternoon and going over some life.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Choices I've made in these fifty four years.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
And I thought, you know what, I may have missed
my calling on becoming a watercolor artist.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I fucking love watching those water colors. I just want
to pull out my paints. Everything else be damned. I'm painting,
and you know, so I got to bring myself down. Yea,
what do you do that? How is your day?
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
It was good, busy at my new job. And you know,
I have also been questioning every life choice ever made
in my life. So it's been a it's been a
depressing week, but quite heavy.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Quite a heavy week, it is.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I told you it's not like I have a bad life,
because I don't.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Yeah exactly, you know, just some choices.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
I shake an angry fist at the sky about you.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Know, and I'm sure some of our listeners can relate.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
So absolutely, you're a good company.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, we're we're in a good company. But if you
want to do a watercolor, I'd be happy to buy
your first I'll be your first commission.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Oh, thank you, you're inspiring me. I think it's not
really good. Something in the pinks.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yes, Oh, she got what she.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Got for us.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Today, I have the Lulu Lemon murders today. Have you
ever heard of the Lulu Lemon murders?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
I have not.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Okay, well, this is one you all need to buckle
up for. So and so. Yeah, you're in for quit
the gruesome story. So first, I'm going to tell you
about a woman named Jana Trexel Murray. She was born
in Wichita, Kansas, November twenty second, nineteen eighty. So she
is a Sagittarius.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Ooh she is.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
And she was born to her very loving family. Soon
after her birth, the Murray family moved to Houston, Texas.
Gina had two older brothers named Hugh and Dirk. They
were both married at the time of our story. He
was married to a woman named Kate, and Dirk was
married to a woman named April, and they had two
boys together, Kasey and Jay. So she was an Ean. Yeah.
(03:02):
The Murray parents, Jana's parents, they were David and Phyllis.
They were just unbelievably proud of their three children and
and you know they love their grandchildren. I mean, they
were just a really tight knit family.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Nice. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Jana's dad, David, was a special operations person who did
two tours in Vietnam. And in the Murray family there
was a strong sense of right versus wrong, all American
values right quote unquote.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Sure, and the military very black and white.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Right. Jana being the youngest and the only girl, she
really was the glue that held this family together. Her
brothers and their wives loved her so much. As she's
growing up and making a life for herself, the Murray
family is seeing her thrive and they're really excited. So
when Jana started college, she studied at Saint Louis University
(03:58):
in Madrid, Spain for two years, before finishing her bachelor's
degree at George Washington University in Washington, d C. In
two thousand and three. See, that's another life choice I
didn't make with studying abroad.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
So I exactly gotta scribble that one offer good.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
For your lifetime column.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Good for you, Jana, I know, good for you. So
during her undergraduate years, Jana also did a semester at
c and I don't know what that entails, but it
sounds fun, right does. And after graduation, Jana started working
for a company called Halliburton, where she was a market
rep for five years. We've all heard Halliburton, right, oh yeah.
(04:45):
With a love of learning and goals to accomplish, Jana
decided to continue her education at John Hopkins University. That's
quite prestigious.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
I'm so impressive with education. I love that. I love
it time. Everywhere she went, if she wanted it, she
went after her.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
She went after it. She was working toward earning a
dual master's in communication and a master's in Business administration.
She left her job at Halliburton to focus on school
and decided to take a part time job as a
sales team leader at a local Lululemon store. This job
really allowed her to feed her passions of dance, travel,
(05:25):
and animals. She was also extensively involved in volunteering with
various different groups and organizations, and working at Lululemon gave
her networking opportunities and just like a positive energy around
the work place. You know. I guess it was a
really good place to work.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Nice culture, good culture.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, the Lululemon franchise really spoke to her personally, and
she planned to apply to the Lululemon corporate office in Vancouver,
British Columbia. I didn't know based either. She was going
to apply there after graduation, after she got her dual
master's degree. So while Lululemon was originally a part time
(06:07):
gig for Jana, she fell in love with the company
and ended up dedicating all her studies toward the company
and wrote her thesis about Lululemon.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, probably for her business administration degree.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Although Jana had finished her thesis, she continued to work
at the store because she loved it, and by the
end of it, she went from part time to truly
part of the Lululemon family right, all while juggling her
master's program and working at the Lulu Stupid or not,
but yeah. Jana was also in a long distance relationship
(06:45):
with her boyfriend. His name was Fraser Bosel, who was
also a student at Washington State. Jana and Fraser had
been together for a long time and they were starting
to plan a future together. Fraser had actually asked David
and Phyllis if he could have Jana's hand in marriage
after they both graduated.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Wow. I know.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Her relationship with Fraser was also part of the reason
she wanted to work in Vancouver. Fraser was living in
Washington at the time. The state Washington State, not Washington, DC,
so she would be in the corporate office was close
and Fraser's living in Washington, so you know, it's kind
of ideal, right. Jana was described as the girl who
(07:27):
was incredibly ambitious and willing to approach change had on.
What she didn't know was that her life, unfortunately, was
about to tragically change and all of her goals and
dreams would come crashing down.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Oh boy.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
So on March eleventh, twenty eleven, Jana was working the
closing shift at the Lululemons store in Bethesda, Maryland with
her coworker, twenty eight year old Brittany Norwood. Jana was
a very trusted store employee and was the only person
working that night who had a key to the store. Seemingly,
(08:02):
the night ended normally and both women went home safely However,
the next morning, March twelfth, store manager Rachel arrived at
eight am to reopen the store for the day, and
when she arrived, she noticed the front door of the
store was unlocked, which was very unusual, and Rachel figured, well,
maybe Jana just forgot to lock it the night before.
(08:25):
So Rachel goes into the store and she notices that
something's wrong. There was a mannequin that was laying on
the floor, clothes had been thrown about, and some clothing
wracks had been tipped over. So Rachel immediately thought the
store had been robbed, and she quickly exited the building.
You know, she was planning to run to the nearby
(08:45):
Apple store. It was right next door to the Lululemon
in the Strip mall, and that's where she was going
to call the police from. But that day, Apple was
releasing the iPad two.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Oh my goodness, and.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
The line was already growing long outside of the store.
People lined up to her on that new iPad, and
one of the people in the line noticed Rachel because
she was frantic, and that person jumped out of line
to check on her, and after explaining what she had
seen in the store, the person from the line his
name was Ryan. He offered to walk her back into
(09:24):
the store and check things out for her so that
she would feel comfortable to start her day, you know,
in the store.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
And yeah, the police arrived, right.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
You know, after all, if it's just a robbery, there's
nobody it's just merchandise it's being stolen or from the
cash register, like, there won't be there, shouldn't be anybody
like a criminal still there.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Hopefully not right.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, And in fact, if you go to Lululemon, they
have a policy that if someone comes in and steals,
they just let the person walk with whatever and they
report it to the corporation and police only if necessary.
Oh my god, I'm not encouraging anybody to steal anything, but.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
What are we going to Lululemons?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah, I don't know if they still have this policy,
but at.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
The time, sure, yes.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Rachel agreed with Ryan, and so the two of them
headed back into the Lululemon store. The further they went
into the store, the more damage. Though. They noticed the
cash register had been opened and emptied, along with the
safe that was inside the store. At this point, Ryan
and Rachel they're convinced that this is just a robbery.
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It just has all the telltale signs.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yes. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Rachel headed to the back room, where she found shattered
glass and a total disaster of merchandise. But what really
alarmed her was that she found blood, and a lot
of it. Looking further, there was a trail of blood
that looked like someone had been dragged across the floor,
and there were two sets of bloody footprints of different sizes.
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Upon this discovery, Rachel and Ryan literally ran back to
the front of the store and immediately called the police.
Rachel didn't feel comfortable going back into the store, but
Ryan was concerned that maybe someone was there that needed help,
so he went back inside on his own to investigate further.
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He went over to where the trail of blood was
and he followed it further to the back of the store,
and that's where he found a battered woman laying face
down in a pool of blood with a rope tied
around her neck. He knew right away that this woman
was dead, of course, he was probably panicked, a little
flustered whatever, and in shock when he heard a faint
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moaning sound coming from the employee bathroom. After what he
just saw, Ryan wasn't completely sure he wanted to follow
the sound, but he did. He braved it, and in
the bathroom he found Britney bound at the ankles and wrists,
arms above her head, covered in blood and barely breathing.
This sent him running again to the sidewalk out front
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to tell Rachel what he found and say she needed
to call nine one one again and raw immediate medical attention,
not just the police.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Right.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
So, on the phone with nine one one the second time,
Rachel frantically said that one person seemed dead but the
other was breathing, and you know someone had tied up
this woman, right, So, Brittany was covered in cuts all
along her arms and legs. She had a large wound
on her forehead, and there was a Lululemon shirt wrapped
around her neck. The cratch of her leggings had a
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huge hole torn in them, leading police to believe that
she'd been sexually assaulted. At the time, Brittany wasn't responding
to like questions and stuff. She seemed to go in
and out of consciousness. Ana, however, was the one that
didn't and her body was just absolutely battered. An autopsy
would later reveal that Jana had been stabbed at least
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get this three hundred and thirty one times.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
That is fucking diabolical, Right, that is unnecessary.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Right, you know how long? I mean not that I've
done it, but do you know how long it must
have taken to stab her three hundred and thirty one times?
Speaker 4 (13:25):
I mean that is something that Yeah, usually I hear
goes with crimes of passion. You gotta hate that motherfucker
and go bind and rage.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Right.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
If that's not this, then it's this is overkilled sick.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah, it's so sick. So it was clear that her
death wasn't quick and that it was a slow and
brutal attack. Police found various items around the store that
were most likely used in the attack. They found a
bloody hangar, a rock, wrenches, a hammer, a knife, and
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they found a peg that was normally used to stand
the mannequins, like maybe like in the back of them
or something. The police believed that these items were used
to attack the women. With Brittany being alive, she was
rushed to the hospital for medical treatment. She only ended
up needing a few stitches, and they did do a
rape kit at the hospital. Police were grateful that most
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of her wounds were superficial because for Jana, they now
have this brutal murderer, whoever did this to her on
the loose, and you know, they need to apprehend this
person as soon as possible, and maybe Brittany can help
them identify who did this as soon as she was able.
Brittany told police what happened that night. She said it
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was like any other closing shift. She had only been
hired six months prior, so she was relatively new to
the store. After the final customer left around nine pm,
she and Jana locked up the store and they started
their closing duties. They counted the cash straw, they straightened
things up, and they got everything ready for the next morning.
All the women left together and Brittany watched Jana get
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into her car before Brittany walked over to the train station.
When Brittany got to the train station, she realized she
forgot her metro pass in the store and she wouldn't
be able to get home. Since Jana was the only
one with the key and Britney's knew she had to
call the few contacts she had of other coworkers to
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see if they had Jana's number. She called her, you know,
she gets it, and she calls Jana to ask if
she could meet her back in the store so that
she could get her metro pass. Being the awesome human
being that she was, Jane, of course you know that
she was going to meet her. It'd just be a
few minutes, and then they met back at the store.
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Brittany recalled that Jana told her she had actually left
her laptop at the store, so she really didn't mind
turning around because she was going to grab that instead
of having the store The next day, when Jaya arrived
back at the store, Brittany said that she unlocked the
door and the two women went inside, closing the door
behind them but not locking it. Brittany told the police
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that while Jana grabbed her laptop right away, she couldn't
find her metro pass where she thought it was, and
Jana started to help her search for it. During their search,
Brittany and Jana were ambushed by two men in black
ski masks. Brittany recalled that a bigger man grabbed Jana
and hit her over the head, knocking her to the floor.
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A smaller man grabbed her and dragged her by her
hair to the employee bathroom and Brittany told police that
this is the last time she actually saw Jana. The
smaller man eventually brought her to the registers and the
safe and forced her to open them and put all
the cash into a black backpack that he had. Brittany
was then taken to the back room, where she was
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zip tied and tortured by the smaller man. Brittany recalled
the man holding her by the hair with a knife
to her throat, threatening to slit her throat. Brittany told
the police that the man raped her and was very
careful to not inflict any wounds that would kill her,
but have her begging for him to stop, so he
don't you know, he's probably like slicing her and stuff like.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
That, Oh right.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Brittany then said when he was done with her, he
left her alone in the back room for a while,
and when he came back, Brittany recalled that he sexually
assaulted her again with a wooden storehannger.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Brittany then told the police that during her attack, she
heard violent and horrible screams coming from Jana in the
other room. Eventually, the screams went silent, and both men
carried Brittany to the other room where Jana was. At
this point, Brittany wasn't sure if Jana was alive, and
she told police that the two men told her she
was lucky that she got the better version of the
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attack because she was more fun to fuck, is what
she said.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Oh my gosh, yeah, it's disgusting pigs.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Right During her recount of the night to police, Brittany
was absolutely distraught and she felt like this was all
her fault because she was the one to call Jana
and ask her to come back to the store so
she could get her metro pass. Right after hearing Britney's story,
the police were immediately getting to work to try and
gather any information they could about these two masked men.
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Lucky for them, the Apple store that was located just
next door had CCTV cameras that pointed at the Lululemon storefront.
Apple was the only store on the strip that had
cameras pointed there, so they were lucky. H On the
security footage from Apple, they did find two white men
who were dressed in all black with beanies on that
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walked past the store around the time Brittany claimed they
were attacked. Not only did Apple provide the CCTV footage,
but four employees that were working that night basically heard
the entire thing at the Apple store.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
The three employees and one secure regard stated that they
started hearing screaming coming from the store like two women
were fighting. They heard one woman saying, please talk to me,
don't do this, talk to me, what's going on. The
arguing was followed by wails, screaming, and crying until they
heard a woman say, God, help me, Please help me. Unfortunately,
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the Apple employees didn't call the police at night, a
choice that could have changed Jana's.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
I don't even under I was just thinking, how do
you fucking hear someone begging?
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Yeah, Hi, I'm over here.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
At the Apple store and I'm hearing the next door
someone's screaming right right, easy, peasy, lemon squeezy.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
I can't tell you how many stories we've done where
people see something, hear something, and don't call the police.
And I always think I would call the police, right
like I think I would.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
I would hope I think I would. When I hear it,
I for her life.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I think if I was in the next store next
to it and I was at the time, fucking I'm
calling the police right exactly, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
One store employee actually said the screaming was so loud
it sounded like whoever was screaming was actually in the
Apple store and not next door.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
And still no call.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
It's still no call. No After all that noise, the
store employees reported that then they heard some grunting sounds
and it sounded like something big was being dragged or
moved across the store. The Apple store manager told police
that they felt like it was just some drama and
it was none of their business.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Maybe, I don't know, ye cowards will say something of
that lane.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Oh, I thought they were play acting. I thought it
was some Shakespeare in the park, my bad.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
At the fucking Lululemon. Yet exactly. Not one of them
who was working at Apple that night felt like they
needed to least go check on whoever was there despite
everything they heard through the walls. Oh, it's just unbelievable.
Police were also able to use the store security system
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records to know when the alarm had been armed and disarmed.
It was armed at nine forty five when the women
first left the store, and then disarmed at ten five pm,
assuming that this is when Brittany and Jana returned to
the store to get the Metro pass and laptop. With
a timeline coming into place, police were now starting to
focus on Jana's car. Brittany had recalled it Jana parked
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in front of the store, but the next morning, Jana's
car was nowhere to be found. Police were now thinking
that the two masked men must have likely stolen Jana's
car after the attack. Luckily for police, Jana had Texas
plates and being in DC, it was most likely going
to be you know, maybe easy to spotter. Yeah, there's
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like millions of people, but I don't know. Her car
had actually been spotted the night of the murder. Around
mid night, a few blocks from the store, a police
officer drove past the parked vehicle and said the lights
were on inside and there was one passenger. Two hours later,
around two am, that same police officer drove by Jana's
car again, and this time there was no light on
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and no passenger inside. Jana's car was still parked in
that same spot, and police were able to take it
in as evidence. Right while waiting for fingerprints, DNA and
any other evidence, they could collect from the car. Police
focused on finding the two men from the Apple CCTV footage.
Although they did have them on video, the angle wasn't
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that great and even though it showed them, you really
couldn't be a lot of information from it, right. A
detective decided that he was going to do a stakeout
on the storefront, hoping that the two men would return
to the scene, and they did. Believe wow, When he
saw two men he thought may have been the attackers,
he walked up to them, showed them a photo of
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the CCTV footage and ask them if he recognized them.
Both the men immediately told the detective that the guys
in the picture were them and that they worked at
a restaurant a few blocks away from Lululemon. The men
often walk together because they lived in the same direction.
They were wearing all black because that was the uniform
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in the restaurant. Okay, so detectives were able to quickly
verify their alibi. None of the evidence that they had
was now adding up, and detectives were starting to realize
that maybe some of the details Britney told them wasn't
adding up right. What was really getting at them was
that Jana's attack was so much more brutal than Britney's. Yes,
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like stabbed three hundred and thirty one times and Britney's
not stabbed once.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Yeah, Brittany has a whole bunch of superficial razor blade
or knife blade cuts that maybe Purel will sting.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
The fuck out of. But yeah, you still gets through life. Right.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
It was, you know, just unusual how different they were treated. Right,
So let me tell you a little bit about Brittany Norwood. Okay,
Brittany was born and raised in Washington State to a
huge family. She was one of nine children, and her
father ran a small business. The Norwood family didn't have much,
but all of their children had goals and dreams. Brittany
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played soccer growing up, and she was being recruited all
across America to play college soccer. She was apparently really
good nice. She ended up signing with Stonybrook College to
play college soccer on a scholarship, and this was her
big break. She was able to move across the country
and follow her dreams. Her college soccer career quickly ended
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when she left Stonybrook in two thousand and three after
being accused of stealing from many different people, including teammates
and roommates.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Oh boy. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Brittany was even accused of stealing from random people on
CA campus. While charges were never filed, this destroyed her
soccer career and her educational pursuits. She was kicked off
the team, she lost her scholarship, and she was thrown
out of school. Wow, yeah, that's what happens. Fuck around
to find out that's right.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Yeah, I'll keep you in. Don't touch other people's things.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah, you know, just don't don't steal shit?
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Right by that? Sound like a bitch here? Don't touch
other people's shit, right? I mean?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Good God? Any time to do some soul searching. Britney
moved to Washington, d C, where she was able to
be close to two of her sisters. Upon arriving in DC,
Brittany got a job at the Willard Intercontinental Hotel and
started to rebuild her life. She was successful at this job.
She started at the front desk, but was soon promoted
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to VIP guest services. While it was a great job,
she was feeling lost because this wasn't what she pictured
for herself. She was probably also you know, questioning her
life choices.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Sure, sure, Brittany always.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Had a dream of becoming a personal trainer. She was
dedicated to her own physical fitness and the whole world
of fitness in general. In her spare time, she was
attending various workout classes and hoping to be able to
immerse herself in that community, you know, in.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Her news of that culture.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Of that passion was what led Brittany to getting a
job at Lululemon at the Georgetown store in twenty ten.
In early twenty eleven, Brittany transferred to the Bethesda location
of Lululemon, and she was almost a perfect salesperson. She
was fit, outgoing and people were drawn to her. She
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really sold the Lululemon brand, you know, looks and all like.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
She's a perfect wocking model of it for sure.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
At the time of her transfer, it was only supposed
to be temporary. Brittany was to expand her horizons and
wanted to get a new job at a fitness center
near the store. That was all before the night of
March eleventh, twenty eleven, when Brittany seemed to have snapped.
With this feeling that Brittany was possibly involved in the murder,
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police decided that they needed to look at the case
from the start again. The first thing they noticed was
that the supposed attackers didn't bring any of their own weapons.
All the weapons used in the attack were things that
were found in the store. Not only that, but if
they didn't bring any weapons, how did they plan to
get into the store. It was clear that the suspected
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robbery was supposed to happen after the store was closed. Also,
you know, I mean, how are they going to get
in if they didn't bring anything?
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Right?
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Also, it's typical that after robbers get the job done,
they leave the scene as soon as possible to lessen
the chances of them getting caught. Right. According to Britney's story,
emptying the registers in the safe was one of the
first things they did. But then they started this attack on.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Both Yeah, this timeline is all stinky.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah, so this really wasn't adding up to police, And
there was more. The bloody footprints in the store were
a big question mark. There were two different sets of
footprints found at the scene, one men's size fourteen that
was actually a rebock, and the other footprint was a
much smaller woman's size. If there were really two attackers,
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there would have been three sets of footprints men and
then Britney's since she was still alive. At the scene,
one men's size fourteen shoe was found, and police assumed
that maybe the attacker ditched it at the store before leaving,
but the store manager, Rachel, debunked this theory immediately by
telling police that the shoe was property of the store
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and they allowed customers to use it when trying on
clothes to complete the look. Okay, yes, they got shoes there,
you can try on.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
That is so crazy.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Nice they have men's clothing at Lululemon.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Yeah, if you want to complete the all sall. Yeah,
we got some shoes you wear that you can't have lies. Yeah,
you're gonna need a shoe.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
What was even more odd was that it appeared that
the bigger bloody shoeprints were exactly on top of the
smaller shoeprints. Either the attackers were quite literally following the
exact same path, or these larger prints were meant to
try and cover up the smaller ones.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Going even further, the gash on Brittany's forehead didn't make sense.
Why would the attacker aim for the middle of her
forehead and not the side of her head. What made
more sense with that injury is if Brittany was on
top of Jana stabbing her, that she could have accidentally
hit herself in the forehead right. Additionally, Britney told police
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that the zip ties that were used to tire up
came from one of the men's backpacks when they actually
belonged the store. Like that, She said the robbers brought
the ball.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
From their own supplies that did not exist. Yes.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Furthermore, the zip ties on her hands had teeth marks,
indicating they were tightened up by teeth and not hands,
which is something Brittany would have to do if she
was tying herself up. Yes, the biggest discrepancy was simply
the difference between the two attacks. All of Britney's injuries
were superficial, and her rate kit revealed nothing. Brittany told
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police that the attackers had told her they knew her
address and they were using Rachel slurs against her. Brittany
painted the picture that she was potentially the original target,
but it was clear the attack on Jana was personal
like USA. This led police to believe that maybe Brittany
was involved with the attackers and it was a robbery.
Gone wrong. It wasn't until later in the investigation that Rachel,
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the store manager, told police that they were actually having
problems with Brittany in the workplace. It seemed that she
and Jana didn't really get along, and not only Jana,
but other employees had problems with right well, they were
suspicious that Brittany was stealing from the store and other coworkers.
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These suspicions went so far as there was actually a
meeting held with store owners and managers to come up
with a plan to attempt to prevent this. The protocol
at the store was that whenever an employee brought a
bag to work and was leaving after their shift, the
manager at the store at the time would check their
bag to make sure that no one paid items were
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in their bag.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Right.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
So this was not only for Brittany, but it was just,
you know, regular protocol for all employees.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
So it wasn't well common practice. I remember working at
some shop, same thing. If you're working with makeup, little things,
big things, things that can be hidden, you know, right,
I don't know, plushy legans that can easily roll up
and hide in up part of your purse.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Right, right, Yeah, they're not bulky at.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
All, Oh gosh, not at all.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
The day before the murder March tenth, twenty eleven, Jana
went to do a routine bag check on Brittany before
she left, and Brittany told Jana that another employee had
already checked her bag. When Jana double checked with that employee,
they said that they didn't actually check her bag. So
Jana reported this to Rachel that you know, she was
pretty sure Britney stole another pair of leggings, and now
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police are like, is this.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Her motive against Jana.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
By March eighteenth, twenty eleven, Brittany was arrested for the murder.
When police brought her in for interrogation, Brittany added more
details to her story and it just was not adding
up even more, police decided to take a more personal
route and bring in Brittany's brother, Chris and sister Marissa.
When the siblings were all inside the interrogation room, police
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ran through all the evidence they had against Brittany, and
Marissa completely broke down, having to leave the room to
attempt to calm herself. Yeah, police left Brittany alone in
the room with her brother Chris, and Chris asked Brittany
to tell him the truth so that they could get
this worked out, to which Brittany replied she didn't want
to talk about it there, So this personal approach.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Had worked nice.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
It was now believed that Brittany became aware that her
coworkers were onto her stealing, and she knew that she
was going to be fired soon if she was caught again.
Brittany was likely called Jana to meet her back of
the store so that they could discuss the accusations Jana
told Rachel. But once the conversation wasn't reaching a resolution,
it turned violent because remember those Apple employees that there
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was women like arguing.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
We sounded like two women screaming at each other.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yes, So, Brittany's defense attorney claimed that this was absolutely
not a premeditated murder, but an undiagnosed mental disorder. He
claimed that it was clear that no one in their
sound mind could commit the atrocities that Brittany did that night. Okay,
but they were committed.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
It committed so much that she was able to make
herself look like she was a victim. That sounds like
a very clever and planned and and survivalistic mode of
horrible lying and there there it is there. I don't
get like how three hundred and thirty one stab wounds
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that sound like mental illness? Okay, yeah for sure, especially
because they're not like lovers or something that would that
crime of passion that is you know in such cases.
But this is just straight up rage and hey, this
is we all know it's from her childhood.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yeah, you know, everything stems from your child.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Everything stems is her stealing and what she was one
of nine and nine. I don't have our stories of
why we do what we do or why we think
we're justified by circumstance.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
But exactly right, like yew. The trial lasted six days,
and then Brittany was quickly sentenced to life in prison
without the possibility of parole on January twenty seventh, twenty twelve.
Brittany has never talked about what exactly happened that night
between she and Jana right This trial and the entire
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situation was extremely difficult for Jana's family, the Murrays. This
was especially because they originally felt horrible for Brittany, thinking
that she too was a victim of this violent attack.
After sentencing, Brittany gave a public apology to the Murray
family in front of a packed courtroom. Brittany stated that
prior to getting up there, she was unsure if she
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would even speak. Brittany told the courtroom and Jana's family
that while she knows her statement will never take the
pain away, she hopes that the family can one day
find it in their hearts to forgive her. Brittany and
her legal team were hoping that the judge would sentence
her to life with the possibility of parole to give
her some hope. But noop, no, no, Yeah. Judge Robert A.
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Greenberg said that after every single one of the three
hundred and thirty one plus wounds she inflicted on Jana,
she had an opportunity to think twice about what she
was doing and stop, but she didn't. So. Judge Greenberg
told Brittany that she was devious, in control in one
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hell of a liar.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
I agree, I agree, all three devious, one hell of
a liar. Hmmm, I don't even really think. I don't
believe she wants forgiveness. She just wants to be known
that she said it. Yeah, that's what I don't Yeah,
I don't really feel any kind of empathy or because
if she's stealing and she doesn't care, and so she
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loses jobs, loses her scholarship, loses her athleticism, scholarship, everything,
and so uh leper doesn't change its spots without a
humongous miracle. And not that I don't believe in miracles,
but it's really about the intent of the heart, you know,
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and I think her intent was very narcissistic.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
She suffered these consequences of you know, stealing shit from
people at school, you know, like you said, lost your scholarship,
lost her chance to finish her degree, be on the
soccer team, do all this, and then she gets this
job at Lululemon and she's doing the fucking same shit again.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
And then she's, yeah, so jealous of Jana because she
is everything. She is knocking everything that is lands in
her hands out of the park.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Like she is going to school and like her life
is on the right track. And yes, the manager.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
There her she's Lululemon.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
But you got someone like Brittany who's like me, me, me,
It's got to be about me. I'm gonna I mean,
how do you not get along with someone like Jane?
That Jane sounds like some of the one that would
be easy to get along with and inspiring.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
To be like Carrie, does she you hear what she
gets done?
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Yeah, And don't tell me you didn't fucking plan it either.
I don't for one second. Because she had the whole
fucking ruse about the metro pass. She could have attacked
Jana when they locked the door initially.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Yeah, oh exactly.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
And and you know instead of like making this story
about you know, having to go back and oh can
you let me back in the store, and you know
all of this. So I'm thinking, like it had to
be planned. What I just dying to know, like what
she stabber with? What was there? But I mean, because
I think weird shit. But yeah, if you're using all
(38:44):
the ship in the store and it's at a point
where you know you can attack Jana and Jena can't
run away, I think you've probably like looked at the
ship in the store maybe briefly, right.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Yeah, oh you know where to find stuff, right, you know?
Speaker 4 (39:00):
And fuck those Apple I mean, God bless them, but
those Apple employees.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
I listen in to that shit.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
I have heard stuff and I know when I mean
nothing to where I've needed to call the police.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
But I am an X nine one one operator, so.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
I kind of know I got a little edge, and
as a human being, the edge of I think someone's
gonna get hurt, right, the screaming is of at least
get Like the screaming would have me something like that
might happen.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah, and somebody, I mean if God know, please know,
I mean.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Yeah, God no, please no? And then dead silent.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
That would make me super suspicious, like maybe them fighting,
you know, the screaming like maybe that wouldn't necessarily like
like you said, like I don't know if I would
feel like they were in danger, like yeah, but then
when the screaming turned to somebody sounding like they're begging
for their life, yeah, or begging for something to stop,
that would really give me pause.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
I would just be like, yeah, you know, just do
even a window check, like just come out and take
a look, because something is fucking amiss.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
And you know they were all scared to leave, oh
yeah for sure?
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Or not on the wall, Hey is everybody okay in there?
Speaker 3 (40:14):
If you would have scared the ship out of Brittany.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
Right, I would have been like, hey, guys, I think
all the blood would have drained out of my body.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Oh, I would just when not bring you to ye
out of your mental but I'm.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
Oh, yeah, God bless Janea and our family, Brittany and hers.
I mean, her life is gone. Her family sounds very
supportive as a big family.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Now, I know everyone these stories, it's not just the victims,
like it's just no lateral damage of their families and exactly.
You know, I think about we did that story about
Jacob Wetterling a few weeks ago. Yeah, I think about
like his parents actually stayed together and they even though
I think they probably had a time where their marriage
(41:02):
hit like a rough patch. I can only imagine the
pain and suffering that they went through. And let alone
every other family who's had you know, somebody, it can
be generational damage. Yes, I just think about some of them.
You know, some of these people had children, have children,
and then their children grow up without a parent or
maybe like mom kills dad or dad kills mom, and
(41:23):
so now you have no parents and it's just.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
It's and then you're known as the you know, oh
my mom killed my dad or my vice versa that.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Oh yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Dad, it's just sad that, you.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
Know, just so how do you get out from under there.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
But then that's like the riddle of life, you know, exactly.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Well, thank you Shannon for the Oh.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Thank you for bringing this story. I'd never heard of it.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Yeah, this was a brutal one, like Jana really went
through it. I feel bad. I feel really too.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
Yeah, and probably even see how do you think in
that culture of Lululemon, you do not see that kind
of behavior coming?
Speaker 2 (42:05):
No, sure, you like to just remind everyone to hit subscribe,
follow whatever app you're listening to. Yes, forgot to mention
that at the beginning, but that's okay. And if you
all are interested in hearing more episodes from Shannon and
I and you just can't get enough and you want
another episode every week, you can subscribe through the Apple app,
(42:27):
or you can go to Patreon dot com, Slash Tea
and Tea Crimes Crimes. Yeah, we do one extra episode
a week if you subscribe to the top tier Apple.
It's just one tier, so you do get all the
episodes on Apple. Yes, and we have a website, Crimes
and Consequences dot com. We have some merch and Shannon's
going to be helping to get that caught up.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Yes, I'm on it.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Yeah, you're on it, so bless your little heart. I
would just like thank everyone again, and everyone seems very
welcoming to Shannon.
Speaker 4 (42:59):
Yes, guys, I love you and I love just spending
time with you, and I love spending time with Tanya.
So you guys always give me an opportunity to do both.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
You fucking love it.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
I know we get to catch up before I do.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
I love it and bring Taro to the table, and
some I just love knowing, like the little bits of
the story.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
What was his sign? Yikes a libra whoa. We love
you libras so right.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
But until next time, Tany, you take care and I
love you and you too.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
You too.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
I'll see you next time.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
Bye, I'll see you. Bye.
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