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January 15, 2025 35 mins
Beneath the surface of a seemingly tight-knit friend group lurked jealousy, deception, and a chilling plot that ended in tragedy. In this episode, we unravel the haunting story of Rachel Burkheimer, a spirited young woman whose life was cut short by those she trusted most. From the petty grudges that festered into violence to the web of lies that unraveled under investigation, this case reveals how quickly friendship can turn deadly.Join us as we dive into the events leading to Rachel’s murder, the twisted motivations behind it, and the aftermath that left a community in shock. Betrayal runs deep, and in this story, it’s fatal.Listener discretion is advised.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
This episode ma contain content of a graphic nature, including
descriptions of physical and sexual violence against adults, children, and animals.
Listener discretion is advised.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Hi, I'm Shannon. Hi I'm Tanya, and we are Crimes
and Consequences, a hardcore true crime podcast. Hey Shannon, Hey Tanya.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
How are you?

Speaker 1 (00:48):
I am doing great?

Speaker 3 (00:50):
How are you good? I'm still a little congested. I
don't know if you can tell I can tlightly, yes,
just to weep it. But then on the other end
of that, the silver lining is that this head cold
has helped me attain my fourteen pound weight loss. Peered

(01:12):
with my old zempic shot that I took on New
Year's Oh, I took it on New Year's Eve before
I went to bed because I wanted to start twenty
twenty five rush. You know now I'm down to you,
I think. Let me check YEP one eighty seven started
at two oh one, today's one eighty seven. Now I'm
only thirty pounds away from my weight class school of

(01:34):
one fifty five at five ten five ten Viking Warrior
Princeise Goddess Aka. But it is I'm just taking baby steps.
I can talk a big game, but come at me
when you see results that I can be. I can
show you. But I was meaning what I said, what
about you?

Speaker 1 (01:55):
How's your new year? Happy new year? Thank you, Happy
new year, thank you? Going fine back to work? You know,
I burn the fuck out of my finger today when
I was pulling something out of my toaster oven for dinner. Yeah,
I'm sitting here looking at it. It's like, got a
nice little blister going.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
So some time to pick tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
I'm so clumsy, like I okay, I've ADHD right, And
part of being ADHD is you're clumsy as hell and
I'm always burning myself or I got bruises that I
can't explain, and how it's funny like so I don't
walk out the front door, like we don't use our
front door. We walk out of the garage, you know.

(02:37):
We walk from the to the garage and then open
the garage. That's how we always leave the house. And
my husband keeps his shoes on the step to walk
into the house. And I swear to God, I'm gonna
fucking kill myself one of these days tripping. I've asked
him like a hundred times, Hey, did you make sure
you move your shoes away, and maybe I'm taking up

(02:57):
the whole step when I walk out of the house.
So maybe it's partly me.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
But do you mean when you step out of the house,
you're using the whole platform.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Maybe, Like I think that's the problem is that you
want to secure pudding. What I'm saying, like.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
So, Shannon, when I fall and I break a bone,
I am going to be filled.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
With rape and I'm going to be throwing male shoes around.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
I just I'm just telling you now, Like, here was
a woman at the at the courthouse today. She works
for the judge. She's the secretary for the judge that
I have, And Okay, how you doing? You know, I
hadn't seen her because I haven't been over there. And
she said she fell and she broke her kneecap, and
I was like, oh, yeah, that's something I would do.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
Oh my gosh, how powerful.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
It's like, Yeah, her sister has a horse, she was
telling me, And she fell right on her kneecap and
she broke it. And I thought, oh, that's going to
be me on the garage floor.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Yes, lord, are you telling giving me a little sigh
to really get on your husband's butt to move those.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Shoes when I trip. I forget that it's there every
time I walk out of my house. So I could,
you know, I could mitigate my damage by remembering it.
But motherfuck, I'm forgetful.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
So I'm forgetful, and I've already asked, you know, several times.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
So anyway, well let's get to the story. So what
you got for us today?

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Well, I do have quite a tragic story. Oh great, okay,
But before we.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Get started, I just wanted to say that, wherever you're listening,
go ahead and hit subscribe so you can always catch
our stories two a week. This one was suggested by
our listener Victoria p By Yes, Victoria, this is a
really good story. We're going to start off with that,

(04:52):
stating that all loss is tragic, but it is even
more so in young people who have not begun to
really live their lives yet, you know. Yeah, right, So
for those that are turning over a new leave and
making positive changes to get their lives back on track,
only to have them snuffed out before they.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Truly start to see the progress that they know is possible.
And this brings us to Rachel Berkheimer. She was a
wonderful young woman whose life was ended when she was
only eighteen years old. Now, she did have her difficulties
like we all do, but she was on the verge
of taking her life back and starting over when an

(05:36):
ex boyfriend with a fragile ego could not handle the
fact that his control over her was slipping. So he
was part of a gang called the Northwest Mafia, which
had seven other members, all of which played a part
in Rachel's kidnapping and murder. Oh one of all of these, like,

(05:56):
there's no seven guys, one of whom she considered to
be her friend, and he is the one who committed
the ultimate betrayal by doing nothing to help her in
her minute hour of need. So Rachel Burkheimer was born
on January sixteenth, nineteen eighty four, to Build Burkheimer and
Denise Webber. Her parents thought she might be back when

(06:19):
she was younger because she was nonverbal until she was
about three years old. But once she started talking, it
was like the floodgates opened. She had a big imagination
and she could do funny voices, so you could never
stay mad at her. I think that's adorable little kids
being in character of something. Her dad, Bill told the

(06:43):
Seattle Post Intelligencer. She was so theatrical and creative. I
think that's how she lived her life. I don't want
to say it was a fantasy, but it was kind
of like she was a character and a bigger cast
of some ongoing saga. Lived in the Tula Lip Reservation
in Snaholmish County with her parents and older sister, Megan.

(07:07):
She attended Mary's Phil Pilchuck High School and had a
huge social network. She was described as beautiful, funny, loving, kind,
and spiritual. She also had a great smile and bright
blue eyes. She only grew to be four eleven, so
she would wear fourigne heels everywhere she was but two.

(07:31):
I love it so even to get I mean she
would put it on these heels even to get the mail.
And she had plans to become a medical technician when
she grew up. But in August of two thousand and one,
tragedy struck. Her best friend, Corey Haynes died in a
car accident. Rachel said that Corey knew her better than

(07:52):
anyone else on earth, and his death hit her heart.
Her dad even said, I can't describe the devastation of
that event. It was just a real struggle for her.
And that's putting it mildly. When referring to their relationship,
her dad said they were soulmates. It was a brother
sister relationship. He was an amazing young man. It's really

(08:15):
you know, your bestie. She had kept pictures of Corey
on the dashboard of her car and all over her room.
She even had his obituary up on her bedroom wall. Now.
Unfortunately for Rachel, that next year, the tragedies kept coming,
as she lost six more friends to accidents, including car accidents, drowning, suicide,

(08:38):
and an accidental shooting. Man in such a trit amount
of time and not even crazy crazy even through all
of this loss, her family believes the death that changed
her was Corey's. Her older sister Megan said, it was
so hard. I think it killed her. Literally, she just

(08:59):
became so heartbroken. You could see it in her eyes.
Her light was gone. Rachel was suffering from severe depression,
so her parents put her in therapy and switched her
from the high school. She was attending to an alternative school,
but she ended up dropping out. She also was working
at Jimmy's Pizza and Pasta, but quit that job as well,

(09:22):
all these tragedies and such a short amount of time
caused Rachel to go into a downward spiral, which then
caused her to get into hard drugs like meth and cocaine.
And those two will always be waiting to help you
through a tragedy, you know, quote unquote. Part of her
worrisome behavior came in the new form of a new

(09:44):
boyfriend that she had met in two thousand and one.
His named John Diggie Anderson at a high school party.
He had a record and was affiliated with a fairly
new gang called the Northwest Mafia. Now, this gang was
known to steal drugs to sell or use and would
spend their days playing video games and party video games

(10:08):
and partying and a gang. Yeah, I don't know what
kind of gang plays video games, yeah, my experience. But
their relationship was on again, off again, and eventually Rachel
ended things with him. With John Now, her sister Megan
said she was intrigued by him in some way. I
think he just kept pursuing her. And every girl dates

(10:31):
a bad boy once in her life, right, yeah, I
guess so, mm hmm, and he was hers. She did
not seem too concerned about it at first, their dad
was not happy when he found out about the relationship,
especially because he had to find out from a phone bill.
When the bill came in and it was six hundred

(10:51):
and forty dollars. He did some research and he found
out that a lot of the calls were coming from
the correctional facility and Shelton, Washington. That's going to ring
up Rachel absolutely. Rachel had also been receiving letters from John.

(11:11):
So when her dad confronted Rachel, she defended John, saying
he had good in him and he was not what
people said. But her friends and family they saw the truth.
They said the relationship was toxic and John was abusive,
because that's what weak men do, they're abusive, That's exactly. Yeah.
So he wrote to her asking her to give their

(11:34):
relationship another chance and talked about marriage. In one of
the letters, he wrote I love you thirty three times
and grew obsessed with her. In another letter, he wrote,
you are my world. You are my everything. You make
my heart beat, you make me function, and you also
make me think. I don't think that I could or

(11:56):
would ever want to live without your love. John. That's
a huge fucking responsibility to put on somebody heartbeat function.
Can't you do anything on your fucking own? So she
eventually stopped taking his calls and reading his letters. She
even stopped responding, which made him furious. In one letter,

(12:17):
he wrote, the only reason I do these things is
because I don't want to lose you. I'm obsessed with
your love and you in general. I just don't know
what to do sometimes when we get into arguments, I
want us to be perfect. Just bullshit stuff you know
that makes you know, kind hearted individual seem like she

(12:39):
could help now. When John was out of jail, his
jealousy and abuse hit new heights. He would smell Rachel's
hair and clothes to see if she had been with
other guys. He would threaten her, and her sister saw
bruises on her body that she knew came from him.
But before her death, Rachel's family thought she was finally

(13:00):
seeing the red flags. She started making changes in her
life and seemed to be pulling out of the depression
she had been in for so long. She started going
to church with her mom, and she slept with a
Bible to keep nightmares at bay. Megan said, I know.
Megan said, she thought Rachel might finally be ready to

(13:20):
move on after a promising talk they had one night,
Megan said she sat on the end of my bed
and she was talking until like two am about her
fears about her concerns about Johnny Anderson in the different
threats he had been giving her. Megan also found a
to do list that mentioned getting reacquainted with old friends

(13:42):
that were positive influences, and Rachel had actually started talking
to one of her old friends again, named Alie Taylor.
Allie said, the last couple of weeks before she died,
we were talking almost every other day. She kept saying,
I love you and it's time for us to hang
out again. Her dad said that he remembered talking to
Rachel one day on their porch and she said she

(14:05):
was trying to get back into school to get her
degree and then go on to be a medical technician.
She was just pumped, he said. She was beaming. She said,
I've got a plan. I'm going to do it right.
No more of this alternative school, no more. Ged she
had this radiance again that I had not seen in
a few months. And she looked up and said, I

(14:28):
have met an incredible friend, Maurice. She said Maurice was
supportive of her going back to Lynnwood High School and
they planned together finish senior year and go to prom.
That friend was Maurice Reeves, who was also eighteen and
also a member of the Northwest Mafia. As is John.

(14:53):
He had confided in Rachel and told her that he
wanted to leave the gang, but he would soon plead
guilty to her murder. So it's heared, I want to
leave the gang, but hold on tight. Okay, I totally
mislead you. So somehow John Anderson knew about Rachel's plans
to start her new life. Somehow Maurice told him. I'm sure,

(15:16):
and it never says how he knew. Maybe she told him,
or maybe Maurice snitched, but I don't want to assume,
Okay Anderson. Anderson was not going to let this happen,
so he produced a plan. He started his plans by
turning the gang against her by lying and telling them

(15:36):
that she was giving out gang secrets to her friends.
Oh you mean coldes to gangs, codes to pac Man gang.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Secrets, gang secrets, Yeah right, because that's the feeling drugs.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
To Oh gosh, so pathetic. Rachel was actually friends with
two other drug dealer groups that the gang did not like,
so they believed him. When Rachel found out about this,
she was obviously scared, so she went to her sister
for help. Megan told her to stay away from Anderson
and to be careful, but she did not actually think

(16:13):
that he would make good on his threats. Sadly, she
was wrong about him, and Rachel did not take her
sister's advice. On the day that Rachel went missing, she
had told her family she was driving her friend to
the airport, but she never returned home. On September twenty, two,
thousand and two, she went to a party in Everett

(16:33):
with seven members of the Northwest Mafia. She only did
it to prove that she was not guilty of the
lies that John Anderson was telling about her, and because
she had Maurice at her back, which made her feel safe.
Oh so she's got, you know, a judas having her back,
a brutus and so the original plan was for her, Durham,

(16:58):
and Revis to hang out at a guy's house. Lovelace
and the other guys were supposed to pull up in
the garage and grab her from there, but Lovelace's dad
came home, and they weren't able to follow through with
that plan, so Anderson told Durham to get Rachel to
Jiad's house or he would put him in the coffin.

(17:19):
So these are players, this lovelace, and these are location
and who would ultimately be convicted in some way of
their participation. When Anderson showed up to the party at
Jihad's duplex, he saw that everyone was enjoying themselves and
it pissed him off. According to Detective Pince, Anderson came

(17:41):
in from the outside of the duplex and he's angry
because everybody's having such a good time. He smacks a
couple of the kids in the face. At this point,
people drew guns and before the violence escalated too far,
Rachel tried to leave. The detective said he John Anderson
grabbed her by the hair, hits her in her face,

(18:02):
knocks her down on the floor, and a couple of
the other guys start helping. Because there's nothing more threatening
than a four to eleven woman.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yes, exactly, the tiny yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
And yeah, that's all. What men, How you see my fist?
I'm making a fist everybody because I'm angry. She was
kicked in the head multiple times, and they turned up
the stereo so they they didn't want to hear those screams,
so turn up the music. The detective said. They scooped
Rachel up, took her out of the house, and gagged

(18:37):
and taped her so she couldn't scream anymore. She was
then ignored for a little bit while they talked about
possible gang raping her and what their next moves would be.
They settled on eating, smoking pot and playing video games.
Oh ysh. Later that night, a woman named Tricia Trisa Connor,

(18:59):
who owned the kind of minims they were in and
also the girlfriend of Usuf she had, She came home
to find Rachel bound, beaten and gagged on her garage floor.
Trisa walked in in the garage, saw Rachel beat up,
tied laying on the floor, and she went back to
the kitchen to get a knife to try to cut

(19:19):
her hands and feet loose, Detective Tins told True Crime Daily. However,
when John saw what was happening, he put a stop
to it and ordered Trisa to leave the garage. Trisa
told everyone to leave her house and threaten to call
the police, but she never did. She heard Anderson beating Rachel.
Then Whittaker and Anderson put her in a big black

(19:42):
Duffel bag and took her out to Durham's cheap so Rivus.
Durham and Whittaker drove around waiting for directions on what
to do, and it is said that the men talked
about getting a hotel room and letting Rachel heal, but
that's that what happened. They drove to the Cascade Mountains,

(20:03):
where they left Revas to watch over Rachel while they
went to get troubles and pick up Anderson. Now she
trusted Revas. She was going to graduate with him, go
to prom with him, right right. He could have let
her go, but he instead chose to betray her in
her ultimate time of need, choosing his loyalty to the

(20:26):
gang over her. Rachel told him that she knew she
was going to die there and he was the only
one that could help her. Court documents state that she
pleaded for him not to kill her, but he told
her he didn't think it was going to go that far.
You're in a gang that you're afraid to leave, but
you really don't think it's going to go this far. Yeah, exactly.

(20:47):
He told her that he thought that everything would work out,
and she said she would do anything or give them
anything that they wanted. She asked him not to let
them drown her if they did kill her, and when
she said that she was cold, she just ZiT the
bag back up over her. You know, yeah, Detective Pins

(21:08):
told True Crime Daily. They get out there and unload
the shovels from the jeep. Rachel is making noise. John
Anderson takes a shovel and he hits the side of
the double bag as hard as he can. While Rachel
was lying in the dirt in this double bag, still conscious,
the men started digging her grave. When Reeves was told

(21:29):
to get out of the car and help, he did
exactly that. He helped dig his friend's grave on Durham right.
Durham was told to get Rachel out of the bag
and stripper of her clothes and jewelry. This amazing woman
was brave to the very end and showed more courage
than most people would in her situation. She asked if

(21:52):
she could keep a ring that belonged to her friend Corey,
but when Anderson denied it, she told them that she
she wanted to walk to her own grave. When she
was in the grave. She was told to lay face down.
Of course, these cowards could not look her in the
face while they killed her. Detective Pince said, she got

(22:14):
on her knees and she started to pray. Anderson told
her not to worry about it. She would be up
with Corey soon. The other three men, including her friend Maurice,
just stood there, stood by and watched as Anderson shot
Rachel in the back of the head until the gun jammed,
and then he fixed the jam and continued to shoot

(22:34):
her until he emptied the clip into her. So you're
going to empty your clip into a four to eleven
woman who has done nothing and been nothing but good
to you in front of the front This is fucked up,
march Man, Yeah, it is so. She was buried in
that field east of Everett, Washington. A total of eight

(22:55):
men were involved in her kidnapping and subsequent death, but
only four were at her grave site. Rachel's family reported
her missing September twenty seventh, two thousand and two. They
plasted missing persons posters all over Snowhomish and King Counties,
and the police were following up on every tip that
came in. They finally caught a break when a gang

(23:16):
member's mom called in. She was the mother of Jeffrey Barth.
Now her tip led them to find a redgie that
belonged to Matthew Durham. The police took Matthew in for questioning,
and when Sergeant Scott Center of the Snahomish County Sheriff's
Office put pressure on him, he cracked. He told them

(23:37):
where to go in the Cascade Mountains and they found
a shallow grave off of right Or Road east of
Gold Bar, where they found Rachel's body in October. Durham
was only seventeen at the time of this murder, but
he told the police his story of what happened at
the condominium and also provided the names of the other
guys that were present for the murder, Anderson, Maurice Reeves,

(24:02):
and Jeffrey bar He said John ordered him to drive
and told him where to go, and then John carried
the devil bag into the woods, said get on your knees,
and that he had heard gunshots. So when the guys
got into the car, John threatened that he would kill
them if they spoke about what happened. When they left
Rachel's car at an ex boyfriend's house so that the

(24:26):
police would think, or the investigator would think that Rachel's
ex was gonna be framed for her disappearance. Okay, okay, Yeah,
and they burned a pillowcase with her clothes and jewelry.
I know. And when I was doing some research on
the story and watching these videos of coverage of the detectives,

(24:47):
the one, the police that were involved, the sheriffs, they
all said that this gang was a bunch of buffoons.
Oh really, yeah, they were just fucking idiots. There was
eventually several trials, but eventually all eight people were convicted
of crimes related to Rachel's kidnapping and her murder. Now,
John Anderson was charged with aggravated first degree murder and

(25:10):
conspiracy to commit murder. He was accused of orchestrating the caidnapping,
holding Rachel hostage, putting her in a duffel bag, and
shooting her. Oh. He was sentenced to life in prison
without parole on May twenty first, two thousand and four.
So all done there? Yes, John Allen Whittaker, who went

(25:31):
by wit He was also charged with aggravated first degree
murder and conspiracy to commit murder. He was accused of
digging Rachel's grave, taking her jewelry, and bearing her on
Anderson's orders. He was sentenced to life in prison without parole,
but was granted a retrial in two thy thirteen really,

(25:54):
and then in twenty sixteen he was re sentenced to
life without parole. Maurice Rivus pleaded guilty to first degree
murder and admitted to helping with the abduction of Rachel,
along with seeing her grave and burying her. He was
sentenced to twenty six years in prison. When he was sentenced,

(26:16):
Rachel's dad spoke to him and said, he thought of
you as a friend, a good friend. The last person
on earth that could have saved Rachel that horrific night.
Was you, Maurice. Yep, yeah, exactly. After hearing Maurice tell
his side of the story, a family friend named Shannon
Woodward said, your mind plays funny tricks on you. Even

(26:40):
though I know the end of the story, I so
want to hear them say he let her go. She
told him, in a lot of ways, I have been
angrious with you. Anderson was the villain in this long
story before he took Rachel's life, but you were her friend.
Maurice cried and said he lay awake at night thinking

(27:00):
about whether he will ever be forgiven for his actions.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, okay, look off.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
Live with yourself, bitch, he said. I am not without
a conscience or compassion. You're a liar. My remorse and
guilt will be with me for the rest of my life.
Oh yeah. Matthew Durham pleaded guilty to first degree murder
and admitted to helping with the kidnapping of Rachel. He

(27:26):
also admitted to driving her in his jeep to a
remote area near gold Bar with the knowledge she would
be killed, and he was sentenced to twenty six years
in prison. Now, in twenty twenty two, Maurice Rivas and
Matthew Durham had their time reduced to twenty two and
a half years because of a Supreme Court decision that

(27:47):
made it possible for a judge to re sentence and
a fender based on their age at the time of
the crime. Whatever right. Nathan Lovelace was charged with conspiracy
to commit first to rekidnapping and first degree rendering criminal assistance.
I've never heard of that charge before. I first degree

(28:08):
rendering criminal assistance. The original plan was to kidnap Rachel
from his house where Anderson and some of the other
guys were caught. He Nathan, he spent one hundred and
sixteen days in jail because that's where the you know,
his dad came home, so they had to move the plan.
Oh yeah, Now, Joseph, he had goes by Kevin. He

(28:32):
was charged with first degree murder, first degree kidnapping, and
conspiracy to commit kidnapping. When is it say that he
was the co founder of the Northwest Mafia and he
was the one who lived at the duplex where Rachel
was attacked. He was sentenced to almost thirty seven years
in prison. Just before just to give you a little

(28:52):
So this Yoseph she had, he's thirty four. He's the
co founder of this gang and all the other members
are seventeen, eighteen, and twenty twenty kidding No, yeah, so
big co founder of the video playing club. You know
what I'm saying, roll block. So Jeffrey bar He was

(29:14):
charged with first degree murder, first degree kidnapping, and conspiracy
to commit kidnapping. He was at the duplex when Rachel
was attacked and claimed he hit her with the barrel
of his gun. He was sentenced to almost ten years
in prison. Tony Williams was charged with first degree murder,
first degree kidnapping, and conspiracy to commit kidnapping. He was

(29:37):
accused of getting the ductate to restrain Rachel and turning
up the music to drown out her screams. He was
sentenced to do a little more than nine years in prison.
Rachel's dad had told Fox Q thirteen, this is not
a moment of celebration for us. It is a victory,

(29:57):
but it's a loss all at the same time. It's
really hard to explain. It's really hard to put in words.
Bill attended all of the trials and the appeals, even
seeing the crime scene photos. During the trials, he had
told True Crime Daily, I'll never forget. I did see
a photo of the grave site after they removed her body,

(30:20):
and in the dirt there was an imprint of her
hands in the praying position, perfectly preserved. That gives me
some peace, I know. And when the pictures the family unit,
it's just so heartbreaking. Wonderful parents. Rachel's family have been
able to turn her tragedy into something positive by getting

(30:44):
the bill SHB one two three six passed, which makes
it a misdemeanor offense for failing to summon assistance for
a person that yeah, for a person that has suffered
substantial bodily harm. So you can't just sit there and watch. Yeah,
you have to do something now. Advocates from a company

(31:05):
called Family and Friends supported them and helped them to
get that bell passed. So absolutely heartbreaking and tragic and
just senseless. Yeah, anger and raging exactly what was accomplished here, Yeah,
like so much loss.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah, some of these, so many of these crimes are
just so senseless, Like it's just stupid. The motive behind
it afflores me all the time. Like these stupid ass
criminals and their stupid ass like fucking motive ghosts.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
They're egos made of glass.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Yeah, like it's it's just wild to me, Like they
just it's so.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Sid Oh my gosh, I know, I just fucking and
I was like, you made a sugar bitch. I'm gonna
call it. That's when I gonna start calling like sugar bitches.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
Men in these like the women that they become obsessed
with or whatever. Like, dude, there's fucking tens of hundreds
of millions of women in this country, you know, I mean,
I mean, maybe not hundreds of millions, but like, okay,
of your dating pool, but like, yeah, millions of women.
There's thousands of women and hundreds of women all around

(32:22):
you all the time. Like if you're a staph way
decent person.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Well, it's like they look at you know, someone like
Rachel is prey. Yeah he was defending him to her
dad like yeah, he has good in them. Yeah, it's
exactly what John wants you to think, that he can
be fixed and he just needs you ladies. Men don't
need shit but to grow up. Yeah. And you know,

(32:52):
there's nothing more like empowering than seeing a strong man
knowing himself. I see a man getting any woman, Are
you out of your fucking mind? What kind of man
are you? And who is your fucking father? I really
like to speak with right now?

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yeah? Absolutely, amen.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
So that is our story about Rachel and our family
and of course careers always just always megan our parents.
So yes, I'm glad you have told the story, and
I'm so thankful. Thank you so much to Victoria Pe
for suggesting this. We really needed to be told.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Well, thank you Shannon for telling so she heard the
story deserved to be told.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Thank you everyone for listening. If you are interested in
getting extra episodes that we do not release to the public,
you can join our Patreon page. It's Citrian dot com
slash T and T crimes. We also offer it on
Apple Podcasts, where you could join through Apple the podcast

(34:03):
app and you pay a monthly fee and we release
one extra episode every week. Well, we did take a
little time off for Christmas in New Year's so.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Yes, this is twenty twenty five when we are.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Here exactly, so you can do that. You can go
to our website and find out more information Crimes Andconsequences
dot com. You can and you can sign up or
find links or something there too.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
Ye'll at two hundred and fifty two episodes on our website,
and that's just for the that's not including our members only.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
No, the members only is over two hundred. I'm sure
we're at like two hundred and thirty up. But if
we're at two hundreds the episodes, we're probably at two
hundred and thirty episodes for the Patreon because we did
get it going for a little bit before we could
actually publish it. Shannon's been with us since or been
with me doing the podcast since September, so there's quite

(34:55):
a few episodes now with Sanna.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
Oh yes, so yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
I think that's everything. I think that's all the business.
I don't know. Maybe I'm forgetting something. But if I
did forget something, it'll be in another episode.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
Yes, we will catch it and bring it right to you.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Don't know its Subscribe or follow because you will get
a notification when a new episode hits. And I believe
that's everything. So until our next episode, Channon, Tanya.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
I love you, everybody, take care. I can't wait to
see you next time.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
I love you too, see you next time.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Bye,
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