February 14, 2025 • 48 mins
On the morning of May 1, 1990, at around 10:10 PM, Pamela Smart was pulling onto her street to the condo she shared with her husband, Gregg. When she noticed the porch light wasn't on, she sensed something was amiss. After parking her car in the garage, Pamela walked inside and turned on the foyer light. What she saw next shocked her to the core. She saw her twenty-four-year-old husband's body, lying in a pool of his own blood.
SOURCES:
1) Inside The Brutal Murder Of Greggory Smart At The Hands Of His Wife’s Underage Lover
2) Sex, Lies & Murder: The Pamela Smart Case
3) How Pamela Smart Conspired With Her Teen Lover To Kill Her Husband
4) Billy Flynn Today: Where Is Pamela Smart’s Teen Lover Now?
5) New Hampshire Journal; A Small-Town Drama Of Life, Love and Death
SOURCES:
1) Inside The Brutal Murder Of Greggory Smart At The Hands Of His Wife’s Underage Lover
2) Sex, Lies & Murder: The Pamela Smart Case
3) How Pamela Smart Conspired With Her Teen Lover To Kill Her Husband
4) Billy Flynn Today: Where Is Pamela Smart’s Teen Lover Now?
5) New Hampshire Journal; A Small-Town Drama Of Life, Love and Death
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
This episode MA contained content of a graphic nature, including
descriptions of physical and sexual violence against adults, children, and animals.
Listener discretion is advised. Hi, this is Tanya.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Hi, this is Shannon, and we are.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Crimes and Consequences, a hardcore true crime podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Hey Shannon, Hey Tanya, how are you?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I'm doing great? How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I'm doing pretty good too.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I know we were talking before we started recording, but
just like to let everybody know that I'm building my
lexicon as we speak, my own personal vocabulary, and I'm
hoping to impress you with my expanded vocabulary someday soon.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
No, I was.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Telling Shannon how I need to expand my lexicon as well,
because my reactions in the podcast are pretty much, oh
my god, right exactly. I mean, yeah, that's the range
of my emotions that is so funny.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I feel the same with my especially with exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I'm like geez a, Luciana, and pick another word.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
You know, any word I know precisely, precisely. No, but
there's a bunch the surface lexicon is our our fifteen
hundred words that for sure, we every day we say
it leaves these same lexicon and then there's a lex
kind of words that we know, but we just don't
use them.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
And I was like, outside of the.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Articles, like the A and so that's gonna fill about
forty words of my surface lex on our articles. That's
how much I speak. And then the other ones are like,
fuck that, fuck this, what's the shit? I really declined
in my oratory? I don't even know if oratory.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Is a word. It is, Yeah, thank you, I'm glad
to hear that. Be guys, I liked you expand it,
but good things ahead.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yes, yeah, fuck is definitely in my fifteen hundreds acon.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Noun, verb, ad verb. It very very useful.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
So tell me, girl, what kind of story are you
bringing us today?
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Well, before I get into this week's episode, I would
just like to remind everyone to hit subscriber follow and
whatever app you're listening to. And the episode that I
have for everyone today is a pretty well known episode.
It is about the murder of Gregory Smart And if
you're not sure, maybe you can't place the name. Once
I get into this, you're gonna be like, oh, yeah, okay,
(03:05):
I remember this story. So our Stories begins on the
evening of May first, nineteen ninety around ten ten pm,
a woman named Pamela Smart was pulling under her street
making her way to her condo that she shared with
her husband Greg. When her headlights hit her condo windows.
She thought that maybe something was amiss because Greg, who
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was home, he usually turned on the porch light, like
if he got home from work first, like they had
this you know thing, like whoever got home first would
turn on the porch lights, and it was off, and
she noticed he was home. After Pamela pulled her car
into the garage of the condo and walked inside the home,
she turned on the foyer light and saw her twenty
four year old husband's body laying in a pool of
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his blood right near the foyer of the home. Pamela
said that on May first, nineteen ninety, that day started
off carefree, like any other day that she's lived. She
went to work, she went to a meeting, she left
for the day, and she found her husband's dead body
when she came home. Wow, his body was laying in
a dark hallway and he was still wearing what he
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had on when he left for work that morning. It
was a gray suit jacket with dress pants. Under his
body was his wedding ring, his keys, and his wallet.
Most of his body was on the dining room blue carpet,
but his ankles were in the foyer and his arm
was bent backwards at the elbow in an odd way.
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His left foot ended up kind of twisted because it
had been caught in between a brass candlestick and the
stairwell wall by the back door of the condo. A
small television and two sereal speakers had been left behind
by whoever assumingly attacked Greg and the family dog. His
name was Halen. He was found hiding in a dark
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place inside the house, and this dog was scared shitless.
Oh so, when pam discovered Greg's body, she began screaming
for someone to help her, and she's ringing the neighbor's doorbells,
she's banging on their doors. One of her neighbors answered
the door and pulled Pamela quickly inside because you know,
they don't know if there's still an attacker on the loose.
(05:17):
God knows when this happened. So she's saying that her
husband been hurt and that he's lying on the floor
and Greg had been shot. He was shot execution style.
The bullet entered his skull above his left ear and
it was a thirty eight caliber bullet, so he was
dead like as soon as he was shot shot. At
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this point, most of her neighbors had heard the commotion
and had stepped outside to see what was happening. They lived,
like I said, in a condo complex, and they were
attached condos. They lived on the end. But all of
this commotion is happening. So two calls were made from
two different neighbors placed to nine one one. One neighbor
just assumed that she had been beaten by her husband,
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so I guess that's probably on the nine one one.
Another neighbor came to see if he could help, and
when he asked Pamela where her husband was, she pointed
toward the condo. The neighbor then started frantically looking inside
all of the cars parked outside the condominium, and he's screaming, well,
where the fuck is he? And Pamela's like, he's inside,
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he's inside. So when the neighbor ran up to the
porch steps to add her through the front door, Pamela
screamed for him not to go outside, just in case.
You know, the intruder was still there. Right when the
neighbor opened the front door slowly. The first glimpse was
of the brass candlestick, since the foyer light was twinkling
off of it. As the neighbor inspected further, he could
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see Greg's twisted foot. He opened the door a little
more and he did see Greg laying face down in
his own blood. It didn't take long for the cops
to arrive, and at first this killing seemed random. Greg
was pronounced officially that at eleven nineteen pm, and the
crime scene tape went up. Police started investigating immediately, looking around,
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and they noticed that the entire condo was completely ransacked.
Although the murder of Greg looked a lot like a
burglary gone wrong, when police Captain Jackson got to the scene,
he immediately noticed some serious red flags. He said, a
lot of what was visible just didn't make sense. There
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wasn't a single sign of forced entry. The burglary quote unquote,
took place at night in one of the most heavily
populated areas in New Hampshire, and the method of the
shooting was execution style. The police captain didn't believe for
a second that this was a burglary, even though the
condo was ransacked. He said there was no sign of
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a struggle. And burglars, though, don't usually fight. They don't
usually pack guns. They usually like are in and out,
you know, they steal whatever they need to steal, and
they leave.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Out no contact.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, and if they do commit murder, it's usually because
they panicked. Yes, And the police captain noticed that it
just seems staged somehow, it just didn't seem right. So
let me tell you a little bit about Greg Gregory.
Greg Smart was born to his parents, William and Judith
on September fourth, nineteen sixty five, in Nassau, New Hampshire.
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So that makes him a viurgo, Yes, that does. Greg
had two brothers growing up, and he went to Londonderry
High School and graduated in nineteen eighty three. He had
a pretty decent childhood and some would even say that
it was picturesque more idyllic. On family vacations, the Smart
family would go voting on Lake winnip Poseki, which is
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a gorgeous lake in New Hampshire. When he was little,
Greg played Little League baseball and he even helped his
team win a championship in nineteen seventy seven. While growing
up in the eighties, Greg fell in love with heavy
metal music and he was really passionate about it, and
it was a passion that he would later share with
his future wife, Pamela Voyas. Pamela Voyas Smart was born
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on August sixth, nineteen sixty seven, making her a Leo, Leo,
Leo and Virgo to her parents, John and Linda, and
she grew up in Coral Gables, Florida, with one brother
and a sister. Her mother, Linda, was a stay at
home mom and she ran a tight ship, doing everything
she could to build a happy home for her family.
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Linda was the best of the best as far as
moms go, and she was always there for her kids
while her husband was working as a pilot. And even
though her father, John was home irregularly because he was
a pilot, Pamela had a very close bond with her dad.
So as far as childhoods go, Pamela had a really
good and loving childhood. She came from an all American family.
(09:58):
She was a happy child with lots of friends.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
I think carl Gables is a really nice area. I
do too, Yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Eventually, the Voyas family moved to New Hampshire and shortly thereafter,
Pam started college at Florida State University. She was extremely
intelligent and graduated college a year early despite working three
jobs while she went to school. And I have to
say she must have really been really smart, because I
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was college full time. I didn't go in the spring
and summer semesters. But it took me five years.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Job, Yeah, and worked three jobs. One of them was
a forty hour a week job. She was she was
hustle on. It was hustling and her family called her
an overachiever and I.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Completely blound like that.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yes, she received her degree in Communication arts and her
life school was to get into television journalism and be
the next Barbara Walters. While trying to work her way
up in the media, she worked as a college DJ
on the local Telehasse radio station WVFS, the voice on
eighty nine point seven FM. While at the station, she
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hosted two different shows. One was specifically for rock music,
and she called herself the Maiden of Metal Oh. Her
radio show is called Metal Madness. Her favorite bands at
the time were Motley Crue and Van Halen. One day, though,
around Christmas nineteen eighty six. That's when she met Greg.
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The two met while Pamela was home from college on
Christmas break, you know, in New Hampshire. She had a
boyfriend all throughout high school, but according to her, nobody
else mattered after she met Greg. She said, initially she
wasn't attracted to him, but getting to know him, that's
when she fell madly and passionately in love with him.
She loved how happy and fun he was. He was
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always smiling, he was just so much fun to be around.
He also loved the same music as her.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Shortly after getting to know him, she told her family
He's the one. Pamli's family loved him almost as much
as she did. He had a rocker look to him
and had like big eighties hair. He was everything that
she'd ever dreamed of for herself. He was about five
foot ten, He was athletic, build fit, and he had
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these different hobbies such as hiking, fishing, and skiing that
kept him in shape. Pam was very petite and had
a vibrant personality, and when they met it was just sparks. Well.
Pam and Greg fall head over heels in love, and
Greg moved to Florida to be closer to Pam while
she was finishing her degree. The two of them tied
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the knot in nineteen eighty nine and together they moved
to Dairy, New Hampshire after Pam graduated. They also got
a dog, a Shitsu, and his name was Halen, Like
I told you after Van Halen.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
That's adorable.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yes, you know. Van Halen was the rock band that
brought them together at the beginning of the relationship, and
their two favorite songs were You Really Got Me and
Hot for Teacher. That know, I love that song Hot
for Teaching.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
I had a huge crush on David Lee Roth in
nineteen years and I had the poster of him where
he was leaning over like a makeup tha like with
the lights to get ready. He's leaning over and assless
leather chaps, you can guys kind of catch from the lighting,
big old bottle of Jack Daniels. He just looks so
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freaking delicious. My mother hated like that poster. She would
look at me disgusting. Yeah, you mean if you mean
hot when you say disgusting, Yes, he's very disgusting.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Funny, I know, and I can totally picture it with
that description right with that hair and yeah, oh gosh. However,
not even six months into their marriage, things began to
sour between the couple. According to Pamela, the downfall of
their marriage was due to the fact that Greg had
admitted to having a one night stand right at the
beginning of their marriage. Now, I don't know if that's true.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Mm hm oh right, because that's his first story.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah, first story, right, So I don't know if it's true.
I really, I don't know. I don't know Greg, I
didn't know. I don't know if he had like a
guilty conscience about it. But Pamela also seemed kind of
bored and tired with Greg, especially now that his battle
head image faded. When he got a grown up job
in insurance, he cut his hair and wore suits to work.
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She had compared him to looking like John bon Jovi,
but when he cut his hair, he looked so basic,
and that wasn't the man she was attracted to. She
wanted the rock star version of Greg. Pamela quickly wondered
where the man she married had gone. Like I said,
he got a job working for an insurance company. He
needs to support his wife, and he wants to start
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a family. Somedays, so he's getting a real job. And
at the time, she was working for winn Ackoonant High
School located in Hampton, New Hampshire, as the media director.
Gregg had worked his way up the business ladder and
he became a very accomplished salesman for insurance. While she
was working for the high school, Pamela was able to
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dabble in broadcasting and continue on her passion for music.
Her roles at the school included producing educational videos for
students and they were distributed districtwide. Pamela believed that this
role was a stepping stone toward her dream job as
a news anchor. She had her own secretary and student
intern to help her in any way she needed. Wow
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Every student at the high school looked up to pam
She was one of the cool people on the staff
and she spoke to the students like she was like
a friend. She would always talk to the students about music,
and she told them about meeting Eddie van Halen and
getting backstage passes to one of the van Halen concerts.
From the outside, though, the marriage between Greg and Pamela
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seemed to be peachy to everyone that knew them. Pamela
described her marriage with Greg as picture perfect. So I
don't know when she said that, but she so red flag.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
That's the huge red picture perfect.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
You're perfect, okay, unlikely? Yes, yeah, And by all accounts,
Greg was completely dedicated and truly devoted to his wife.
He was looking forward to starting a family with Pamela
and Haylen. But Pamela was a little different. She seemed
to care tad more for the dog more than Greg.
It would make the dog home cooked meals and instead
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of Greg. I'm sure though you know Greg got home
cooked meals too, But.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
That is a little prioritize wise, a little red flag there.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
She's not feeding the dog dog food apparently right. Pamela
thought herself as a typical Leo who was always looking
out for her own best interests no matter what. She
loved to be the center of attention and said about
herself quote, everywhere I go, I'm always attracting attention for
some reason or another. I'm loud, very outgoing and stuff.
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And as you know, I'm a Leo. And she said,
Leo is a bad name.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
At this moment, she is not portraying Leo's in a
very good light. No, not at all. No, I love
the attention either.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
I will always be positive when I say, oh my gosh,
you're such an attention whore, Like if I said it
to you, that would be hilarious because I know how
much you love it, and I love that about you.
You know what I'm saying. I genuinely love it. I'm
just like, look at you go. You are in your
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element and I love.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
It just like print.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
But I don't think like I do it on purpose exactly.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
You don't come across like, oh this, but I can.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
When you're in your element, I just sit back.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
I'm your biggest cheerleader.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Oh thank you.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Other people can make it look ugly. You know what
I'm saying, like, oh, look at me. Everywhere I go
I get attention.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Yeah, like I would never say that I might.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
No, thank you.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Class, It's called class, girl, learn it.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
While Pamela was working on various different projects at the school,
one of her more notable project was something called Project
Self Esteem. This was about drug awareness. Participation in the
program was mandatory for all freshmen students, and she was
able to get them on board pretty easily with how
she talked to them like they were her friends. And
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pressed the program's participants. But one student in particular grew
completely infatuated with Pamela, and that was fifteen year old
Billy Flynn. So let me tell you a little bit
about Billy. William Patrick Flynn was born on March twelfth,
nineteen seventy four, making him a Pisces to his parents
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Billemy Lane. His parents' marriage was considered to be turbulent
and chaotic, and Billy seemed to always be put right
in the middle of his parents' constant arguing. He grew
up with two brothers, and Billy took the brunt of
their father's anger. Billy, his mother later said, quote, if
things were going my husband's way, he was a great
guy to be around, but as soon as he had
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to deal with any inconvenience, forget it end quote Willy Yeah.
Eline finally chose to leave her husband after she found
out that he had been having an affair and had
been cheating on her for years. After his parents divorced,
twelve year old Billy moved to New Hampshire with his
siblings and mom. He never wanted to move, and he
felt a lot of animosity toward his mother for making
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him move. When he was about two weeks from his
thirteenth birthday, his father passed away in a tragic car accident.
A car had pulled out in front of him while
he was driving, and he had to swerve out of
the way to not hit the car. Unfortunately, he swerved
into a gasoline tinker that was carrying nine thousand gallons
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of gas and there was a massive explosion and Billy's
father was burned alive like ferociously. The only remains left
to help identify his charred body were his teeth. After
Billy heard the news of the accident, he shut down
socially and spent the majority of his time by himself.
Billy's mother said that he was always acting out while
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at home, but he was never violent. Any little inconvenience
would send him into a spiral, and talking to him
in general was extremely difficult until he would finally calm down.
His mother said quote that was one side to Billy,
that he projected to people that he wanted to impress.
He wanted to be liked, because she said he was
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charming and very mannerly. Inside the family is where he
took out his anger like a volcano, waiting to erupt
end quote. Billy became smitten with Pamela almost immediately. His
infatuation got pretty serious as he became Pamela's number one
help on Project Self Esteem. He also visited her office
every single day. The first time you saw her was
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at a meeting for the project's discussion leaders, and after
Pamela was introduced to speak at the meeting, Billy turned
to his friend and said, I'm in love. It was
the fall of nineteen eighty nine, which happened to be
around the time when Greg made his supposed confession of
adultery to Pamela, and Pamela said that around this time,
Greg also encouraged her to hang out with her friends
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that she had made while working at the school, which
I really find weird because she's hanging out with a
bunch of teenagers.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yeah, my friends are students. So when you tell me
to go hang out with my friends, yeah, I he
meant colleagues, Yeah right, and she was like fifteen year olds.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, fifteen year old's great. When the work for Project
Self Esteem was done, Pamela and Billy kept working together
on a video for an Orange Juice video competition. Like
I think it was like a commercial like you had
to submit a commercial about it. Billy was a shy
kid with big eyes and shoulder length hair, so picture
the hairstyle that Greg literally had just chopped off a
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job to look more professional. Billy wore a leather jacket
and an earring. He played guitar and people always compared
him to a young Paul McCartney. He had a passion
for music in his favorite band was Motley Crue. Billy
had two close friends, Patrick who they called Pete Randall
in Vance Jr. Vladimir Junior. They were often referred to
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as the Three Musketeers, and they did a lot for
the community of South Seabrook and Seabrook is considered blue collar,
but they would do things like shoveling snow for their neighbors,
running errands, doing odd jobs for those who needed them.
They even gave free services to the elderly, and people
in that area called them, like I said, the three Musketeers.
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The three of them met when they began middle school,
and they were inseparable. Jr. Was two years older than
Billy and one year older than Pete. He had dark,
curly hair and wore very thick glasses. Which made him
look intellectual. His life goal was to join the military
and become a marine. Whenever he had any free time,
he visited his grandma, who lived in Haverhill, Massachusetts, and
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he always helped with holiday dinners with his local church
to help those who were in need of a hot meal. Pete,
on the other hand, was a bit of a handful
and his life dream was to become a professional hit man. Yeah,
but his mom described him as being a loving kid.
Pamela was obviously not supposed to fraternize with the students
like she did, but she began to quickly overstep her bounds.
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Even with her student in turn, named Cecilia, they became
the equivalent of best friends, and Cecilia knew everything about
Pamela's personal life. The same and worse was set about
her relationship with Billy. The three of them even used
to hang out together. When she was beginning to learn
how to drive, Pamela would take Celia out in her
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Honda CRX. We would also let other teenagers drive her
car to which you know that made her super cool.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
I can imagine that is some cool shit right there.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
The friendship between Cecilia and Pamela began affecting the teenager's
life negatively. Though her school work, her other friendships, and
home life were affected, but Cecilia didn't care. She idolized Pamela.
Cecilia's mother said, quote, as this relationship went on and on,
I liked it less and less. I was actually getting
really angry end quote. Right after Cecilia met Pamela, her
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grades began to get worse, and her mother even had
to speak with the administration because of how much time
Cecilia spent at the high school's media center, where Pamela's
office was. The assistant principal agreed with Cecilia's mom, but
nothing ever came of the conversation. Pamela was so excited
to be able to hang out with her students outside
of school, and since most of them were from Southbrooks,
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she would invite the kids over to her condo to
work on school project. Greg was spending more and more
time with his own friends and Pamela with hers, and
this is when she also developed an infatuation with Billy Gross.
He's fifteen oh boy. One day, when Billy was in
Pamela's office, she asked him flat out, do you ever
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think about me when I'm not around. Billy responded back
by simply saying sure. Pamela said, well, I think about
you all the time. After Billy heard that there was
no stopping his romantic obsession with her, Pamela told him
that she didn't understand her feelings for him, and she
said she didn't know what to do with all of
these feelings for him since she was a married woman.
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She couldn't shake this kid from her brain. And not
even a month later, she found herself in his bedroom
kissing him while the two lay on his bed. The
whole time they were making out, Motley Cruz's Starry Eyes
was playing over and.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Oh my gosh, this is a romance on Bizarre World.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Fueled by Motley Crue.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Sometime in late March of nineteen ninety, Pamela invited Billy
and Cecilia over to Ricondo to have a little bit
of fun while her husband was out of town on
business for his insurance company. Rather than watch a movie
that was age appropriate, Pamela decides that she's going to
put on that movie nine and a half Weeks, starring
Mickey Rourke and Kim Bassenger. Yes, have you ever seen that? I?
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Was too young and was forbidden you see it.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
And then by the time the window was closed, I
was like, no, baby, did you see it?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Did you? Oh?
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Oh yeah I saw it and it was very steamy.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I remember he at that time, right, he was.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Super sexy and Kim Bassenger was beautiful. Yeah, yeah, I
just remember there was one scene where they were in
front of the refrigerator, like just basically making out and
feeding each other like whip creamy.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yes, I do remember that little hot scene.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
So you know, she puts on this movie for the teenagers.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
And he's so impressionable. My god, he's fifteen right.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Shortly after the movie ended, Cecilia went outside to walk
Halen the dog, and when Pamela and Billy were alone,
she asked him to come upstairs to her bedroom that
she shared with Greg. Once the two of them were upstairs,
Pamela put on a turquoise colored lingerie piece that she
had bought specifically to wear to seduce Billy. For the
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first time, the two had sex, and while they were
having sex, Pamela blasted her stereo speakers with Van Halen
and Sammy Hagar songs.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
After this, the two of them met frequently over the
next couple of weeks for secks. It was sometime over
these sex filled weeks that Pamela said to Billy, you
have to get rid of Greg, otherwise we can't keep
on seeing each other. Billy asked Pamela she couldn't just
get a divorce, and Pamela told him that Greg was
basically obsessed with her and she was convinced that he
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would never allow her to have another relationship with someone.
She added that she would also lose the condo, that's
the real reason, I think, beautiful furniture, and their little dog, Halen.
She couldn't bear the thought of losing everything, especially Halen.
And she told Billy that Greg physically beat her on
a regular basis, so the only way to get rid
of him was for Billy to kill him. And just
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to defend Greg, that's never been proven that Yeah physically
abused her. Pamela knew Billy would have done anything to
be with her, and he agreed to kill Greg for her.
Later at trial, when he was on the stand, Billy
testified that he tried to kill Greg two times before
he actually went through with the murder. When he aboorded
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the mission twice Pamela threatened to break up with him
and scolded him. According to Billy, she screamed at him,
if you love me, you'd do this. Yeah, that was
when things took a serious turn. He began talking to
his friends Pete and Jr. About his plan to kill Greg.
Pamela let Billy know that the day of May first
would be a perfect day to go through with their
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plan to murder Greg. Greg had appointments later in the
evening and Pamela would have an airtight alibi with a
school meeting to discuss salary review. She even told Billy
that she would pay him money from Greg's life insurance payout.
Pamela and Greg were basically roommates at this point in
their marriage, and people began to notice the strain and
their relationship. Cecilia even testified at trial that she overheard
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a conversation while Pamela was on the phone with Greg
and said, quote, she was saying something about getting a divorce,
and then they started fighting over who was going to
take the dog in furniture and everything, and then she
said fine, take the dog and hung up end quote.
In the month before the murder, Greg was consistently coming
home to an empty house, and he was eating every
meal alone crazily. Billy was in the house one night
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to kill him, and Greg suddenly experienced an overwhelming feeling
of danger as he walked into the condo, like his
sixth sense went.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Off, you know, his spidy senses. Yes.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Greg told a friend that as soon as he felt this,
he turned right back around and left the condo. Greg
said that this feeling was unexplainable, but he just knew
that he was in immediate danger and needed to leave
the house as soon as possible. In the days leading
up to Greg's execution style murder, Billy was talking with Jr.
And Pete regularly walking through the plan, which was that
all three of them are going to wear their darkest
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clothing they could find, and that they were going to
park it a nearby shopping mall. Pamela was going to
leave the cellar door open along with the back door.
Billy was going to enter the condo through one, and
Pete was going to enter the condo through another. They
needed to stage the house to make it look like
a burglary, and Pamela told them to take anything they wanted,
such as any electronics that they could carry an expensive jewelry. Jr.
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Was going to wait at the plaza at the mall
for them to return. Billy had three specific rules for me. First, one,
they could not turn on any of the house lights.
Pam said, Greg is a real whimp. If he sees
the lights on, he won't come inside. Two, nobody could
hurt the dog, and they were to place Halen in
the basement so he didn't have to see Greg get
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brutally murdered. Billy said, Pamela didn't want Halen to be traumatized.
And three, Billy wasn't to use a knife, only a gun.
A knife would leave way too much of a mess,
and Pamela didn't want any of her husband's blood to
get on their beautiful white leather couch.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
She has some long game thinking, she's writes, apful the dog.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I don't want the big mess. Mmmm yeah, Oh my gosh,
this monster of a woman I know.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
On the morning of the murder, Pama left the house
in her silver Honda CRX that had a vanity license
plate that read Halen. Her plan was to be home
well after Greg's murder. Later in that day, she met
Billy at his locker to tell him the doors were unlocked.
All of the jewelry that she didn't want the boys
to take was warn to school that morning. Around two
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thirty in the afternoon, Billy called her to let her
know that there had been a small problem. They needed
a ride to pick up their getaway car, Jr's Grandma's
nineteen seventy eight bright yellow Chevy Impala, which was going
to be their getaway car.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Awesome, so Pamela.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Agreed that she was going to drive them over to jr.
Grandma's house. Around eight thirty pm on the night of
the murder, Billy and Pete entered the house as Jr.
Stayed at the shopping plaza. Next, the boys tried to
move Halen. As soon as Billy went to scoop his
little ass up, he began growling and barking while he
ran away. Billy chased the dog around the house and
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finally caught him. Then he literally threw Halen down into
the basement, and the two boys laughed later on about
hearing the dog slump as he tumbled down the stairs.
The two boys then went on to completely ransack the house,
scooping up jewelry along with CDs and taking apart pieces
of the entertainment center. Everything's tall enough was placed into
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a black pillowcase. After the place was torn apart, they
waited in darkness for Greg. When Greg arrived home and
walked in the front door, he called out, hey, len
on cube. Billy jumped out from behind the door and
grabbed Greg's the shoulder of Greg's sport coat, and just
like that, Greg was overpowered. One of the kids told
Greg to give them his wallet, which he did, and
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Pete told Greg to give him the diamond encrusted wedding band,
which said no, I can't do that. My wife would
kill me. Right before Billy pulled the trigger to kill Greg,
Billy uttered the words God, forgive me. Billy and Pete
then ran out of the condo as fast as they
could to get to the getaway car. Well Pamela was
on her way home. She told Billy later that she
had actually seen their getaway car while passing them on
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the road, and she flicked her lights on and off
to say, Hi, oh my gosh, this woman huh so
fucking delusion?
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Oh man, just cold yes.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
During the next few weeks of the police investigation, Pamela
was telling the police that her husband was probably killed
by quote some jerk, some drug addict person looking for
a quick ten bucks end quote. The town of Dary
hadn't had a murder in quite some time, in actually
nineteen ninety. This was the only murder that happened in
the town, so everyone was thinking, you know, it's gang
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related or some outlanders story. Yeah, right, But the police
had a haunch that somehow Pamela was behind her husband's
death due to her detachment over the whole thing. They
got their break two weeks later when the police received
an anonymous tip about Greg's murder. On May fourteenth, the
police received a call from an unknowned woman who told
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the lead detective that Pamela had been involved in the murder.
The caller was a friend of Cecilia's, and Cecilia had
confided in her with this bit of important information.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Right Oddly.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
There were also rumors around Dary that the murder was
committed with a gun that belonged to j R's father,
which was true, Oh yeah. After his father looked at
the gun and noticed that it had been cleaned, he
gave it to the police and it was placed into evidence.
Not long after, the gun was turned over. All three
boys were arrested for the murder of Greg Smart. The
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police later arrested a fourth guy, a nineteen year old
named Raymond Fowler. After the boys were arrested, they all
sung like a bunch of canaries and told police investigators
that Pamela had seduced and manipulated Billy into killing her
husband so that the two of them could be together.
On August first, nineteen ninety, Pamela was arrested at the
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high school that she worked at in the parking lot.
And this next part is just kind of hilarious. The
detective told Pamela upon seeing her in the parking lot. Quote, well, Pam,
I have some good news and I have some bad news.
The good news is that we've solved the murder of
your husband. The bad news is you're under arrest.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
And that is so I wonder if he practiced that,
you know, the night before, Like, how do I present
this tour?
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Yeahoo, he's my cleverness. I know.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
I think that's great. Hey, we solved it.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
You're it tag?
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Yeahar it. Pamela plaied not guilty, and her trial was
the first ever fully televised murder trial in the US.
Wow and I think that's how we all know it. Yes,
it has to be. And you know the fact that
she's a teacher at a high school fucking one of
her students, So I mean, which that was quite salacious.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
For sure, great word too.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Yes, it's part of my lexicon.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
I just put it down on mine as well. I
do like salacious.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
The entire country was glued to their televisions as they
watched Billy take the stand to tell his side of everything.
And I do remember seeing the video like of him
crying on the snadh.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
I got.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yeah. The prosecution had zero issues talking about how unhappy
Pamela was in the marriage and how she was looking
forward to Greg's life insurance payout of one hundred and
forty thousand dollars, which is equivalent to roughly three hundred
and thirty eight one hundred and twenty five dollars today.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
WHOA.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Cecilia agreed to wear a wire after the murder took place,
and the recordings of her conversations with Pamela were played
during the trial. In the tapes, Pamela acknowledged her role
in the murder, and she told Cecilia, quote, you'd be
better off just lying to the police. We'd go to
the slammer for the rest of our lives end quote.
Pamela was also on tape saying that the murder was
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almost perfect. Billy just had to brag about it to
his friends.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
I just kid, she just zero responsibility and then trying
to make us seem to Cecilia that we're going.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yeah, we're going. Cecilia is like, bitch, I didn't do nothing.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Because what how fucking she's Another thing about my lexicon
is I am trying not to swear so much, you know,
using fuck as an adjective.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
So why haven't you seen the studies that if you
swear a lot, you're more intelligent.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
I do. It needs to balance out with good words.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Yeah, I just can't rely on'm fuck fuckery about her
being such a predator to these boys and the girl
you know she's yeah, she's really groomy.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yeah she knows or not.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Yeah, she really made them do what she wanted.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Yeah, And who doesn't think that a girl is so
you know, a young student or a young teacher. It's
so cool. It's very impressionable, and she had a big responsibility.
She totally took advantage of it. I don't pleasure. Yeah,
I'm pretty sure it wasn't worth it, pam.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
But yeah, I know. I remember when I was in
high school. There was a new teacher and he was young.
He was the typing teacher, and we were all excited
to take typing.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
A huge surge. There was a waiting list for typing.
Oh but back to our story.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Yeah, jury found Pamily guilty of being an accomplice to
premeditated first degree murder on March twenty second, nineteen ninety one.
She was also found guilty of witness tampering. She was
sentenced to spend the rest of her life in prison
without any possibility of parole, and she remains serving out
the rest of her natural life at a maximum security
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prison in New York. Since Billy was a minor and
completely manipulated by Pamela, he was found guilty of second
degree murder and his sentence was a pretty hefty one
twenty eight years to life, but he was paroled and
let out of prison in twenty fifteen. Pete was also
paroled in twenty fifteen, while Jr. And Raymond Fowler were
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released in two thousand and five. Since the murder, this
case has been made into a movie that you and
I talked about called To Die For and it stars
Joaquin Phoenix and Nicole Kidman. Did you ever see it?
It's been so long, but Joaquin, you know, he's one
of the people I go to the movies for.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Yeah, even if I'm not interested in the movie.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Oh, oh it's Joaquin. I'm there.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Yeah, it's Joaquin, I'm there. Yeah, I remember seeing it.
It was what was really good.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Yeah, she looked really good, just like her sex appeal.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
And you know, you can just see from the clips
you could get the gist of the problem that Joaquin
would be facing, right.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Yeah. Absolutely. Billy was released on his forty first birthday,
and during his parole hearing, he said, quote, I will
always feel terrible about what happened twenty five years ago.
Parole will not change that. I know that nothing I
can say here today will be of comfort to the
Smart family, but at the very least, I sincerely hope
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that this will be the last time they have to
be publicly reminded of their grief, and I am truly
sorry for the pain I have caused them.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
End quote.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
He met a woman while in prison and he married
her and once he was finally released, He and his
wife moved to Maine and butt a pretty large piece
of land to live out the rest of their lives
out of the spot late.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
That's nice.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Yeah, And I don't know what happened to the rest
of the bunch, but yeah, I mean, so.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
She's still in prison and.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Sounds like the ride the getaway driver and another accomplice
got out in two thousand and five and then the other.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Two twenty and fifteen. I mean, what a life lesson? Yeah,
for these the nineties were a trip.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Right, I know, they absolutely were.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Oh, if you wanted it, you just took it, and
you just made a lie. Oh, probably just somebody who
came in the house of some drug person wanting ten bucks.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
You didn't really think about the story much, did you after?
Because that sounds like a child.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
She put a lot of thought into how to do it,
leaving the doors unlocked, make sure you ransacked the place,
blah blah blah blah blah blah. Boy, oh boy. She
did not prepare for the long game at all.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
No, And that is so important. Don't start anything unless
you can have a long game. That's where that's where
you're going to fuck up.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
And you know, she's like she's like distant about it,
Like she's not like acting like she's distraught. Like, girl,
you have to put on the act, like you have
to act distraught and upset that somebody came and murdered
your fucking twenty four year old husband, like.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
You know exactly the disconnect.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
You might as well wear a red cape with how
little you're expressing.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
You know.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
But if I did it, she should I did it.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
I'm lying, Well, that was a good That was so
long ago, but it's still so fresh. I know that
Nicole did such a great job of portraying the story
with Jaquin.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Yeah, we were all over.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
I did not realize that it was the first televised
yeah either for everything. We know, the bigger ones like
the OJA and Johnny depf, but we have to take
a bow to the archaeotype case you know.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
This. Yeah, yeah, this one is. I didn't realize it
was the first one either, so I was like, wow,
you know, and then I was thinking about it and
like that's pretty crazy, and it's like I said, that's
probably how we all know it. And at least if
you were an adult in nineteen ninety or close to it,
you know, you would have seen it in the.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
News for sure.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
It's such a sad story that I and I don't
know what her long game was. I doubt it was
to stay with Billy for the rest of it.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
I don't think so. I think she just loved the
thrill of the chase.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Yeah, that's when you're fifteen in a world you're twenty
six in your love of your life is fifteen.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
There was some delusional problems there.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
I think she was only twenty two or twenty three actually.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Each Okay, even's I'm an adult and you're a child.
Thing that happens when you're eighteen, right, you know, whether
you're aware of it.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Yeah, So not that I'm trying.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
To make it sound less gross, but you're yeah, I
mean Billy, I hope he's having I feel so terrible
naturally for the Smart family with Gregory, and then it's
just so many factors, the youth of Billy.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
And then my god, it's the teacher.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
If you're a teacher, is inviting you to her home
by specific lingerie for you, is blasting Van Halen and
Sammy Hagar. He never listens to I can't drive fifty
five again, because you know what I'm saying, like he.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Thinks she is a goddess.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Oh for sure, rock and roll.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
And she was doing this while this song was playing. Hello.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Yeah, she's older, she's beautiful, she's experienced, and she's him.
And I doubt that he had a lot of sexual
experience at fifteen years old.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Totally manipulated him through sex. And you know, he's just
a kid. He And again, I'm not trying to excuse
what he did.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
No, not at all.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
But I mean him too, I only manipulated into doing this.
He knew what was wrong and that's why he ended
up in prison. But I feel it's just so senseless.
I feel for Greg's because he sounded like a great
guy and what like she just didn't want to give
him the dog or the furniture. I don't get I
don't get it, like she just wanted the money. Really
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wasn't even that much money, I mean three hundred grand
Yeah right, it's not worth killing your husband for. I mean,
I'm in I'm not killing my husband for three hundred
thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
I need a bigger number.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Yeah, Like I might think about it if it's like
thirty million dollars.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
But I mean that's right, we're just in the hundred thousands.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Come on, I'd pissed that away, so fat So anyway,
the long game, Yeah, she wasn't mature enough either, No,
and you know she just you know, when you're young
and you get married, you married someone because they're hot.
And now Greg cut his hair and wearing boring ass
suits and she doesn't find him hot anymore, and you
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know what.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
And that's like so shallow, like you didn't like anything
about like you don't have any roots that you loved
about them. I mean, we can all change our appearance, right,
it's our core. That is the fun.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
I mean he sounded fun and great.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
Totally, oh my gosh, and you're not. You don't become
a very successful sales guide and insurance by being a dick.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
Yeah, you had any like terrible qualities about him, the
simple divorce could take care of.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
But it's just sad. So well, thank you Shannon, and
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On the stem a time. We're getting there.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
We're moving forward right exactly. So anyway, I think that's
all the business. So until our next episode, Shannon, I.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Love you girl.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
You take care of yourself till next time, which could
be tomorrow or the day after.
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It could be one of these days. I will see
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I'm doing great? How are you?
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I'm doing pretty good too.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I know we were talking before we started recording, but
just like to let everybody know that I'm building my
lexicon as we speak, my own personal vocabulary, and I'm
hoping to impress you with my expanded vocabulary someday soon.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
No, I was.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Telling Shannon how I need to expand my lexicon as well,
because my reactions in the podcast are pretty much, oh
my god, right exactly. I mean, yeah, that's the range
of my emotions that is so funny.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I feel the same with my especially with exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I'm like geez a, Luciana, and pick another word.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
You know, any word I know precisely, precisely. No, but
there's a bunch the surface lexicon is our our fifteen
hundred words that for sure, we every day we say
it leaves these same lexicon and then there's a lex
kind of words that we know, but we just don't
use them.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
And I was like, outside of the.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Articles, like the A and so that's gonna fill about
forty words of my surface lex on our articles. That's
how much I speak. And then the other ones are like,
fuck that, fuck this, what's the shit? I really declined
in my oratory? I don't even know if oratory.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Is a word. It is, Yeah, thank you, I'm glad
to hear that. Be guys, I liked you expand it,
but good things ahead.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yes, yeah, fuck is definitely in my fifteen hundreds acon.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Noun, verb, ad verb. It very very useful.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
So tell me, girl, what kind of story are you
bringing us today?
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Well, before I get into this week's episode, I would
just like to remind everyone to hit subscriber follow and
whatever app you're listening to. And the episode that I
have for everyone today is a pretty well known episode.
It is about the murder of Gregory Smart And if
you're not sure, maybe you can't place the name. Once
I get into this, you're gonna be like, oh, yeah, okay,
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I remember this story. So our Stories begins on the
evening of May first, nineteen ninety around ten ten pm,
a woman named Pamela Smart was pulling under her street
making her way to her condo that she shared with
her husband Greg. When her headlights hit her condo windows.
She thought that maybe something was amiss because Greg, who
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was home, he usually turned on the porch light, like
if he got home from work first, like they had
this you know thing, like whoever got home first would
turn on the porch lights, and it was off, and
she noticed he was home. After Pamela pulled her car
into the garage of the condo and walked inside the home,
she turned on the foyer light and saw her twenty
four year old husband's body laying in a pool of
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his blood right near the foyer of the home. Pamela
said that on May first, nineteen ninety, that day started
off carefree, like any other day that she's lived. She
went to work, she went to a meeting, she left
for the day, and she found her husband's dead body
when she came home. Wow, his body was laying in
a dark hallway and he was still wearing what he
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had on when he left for work that morning. It
was a gray suit jacket with dress pants. Under his
body was his wedding ring, his keys, and his wallet.
Most of his body was on the dining room blue carpet,
but his ankles were in the foyer and his arm
was bent backwards at the elbow in an odd way.
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His left foot ended up kind of twisted because it
had been caught in between a brass candlestick and the
stairwell wall by the back door of the condo. A
small television and two sereal speakers had been left behind
by whoever assumingly attacked Greg and the family dog. His
name was Halen. He was found hiding in a dark
(04:55):
place inside the house, and this dog was scared shitless.
Oh so, when pam discovered Greg's body, she began screaming
for someone to help her, and she's ringing the neighbor's doorbells,
she's banging on their doors. One of her neighbors answered
the door and pulled Pamela quickly inside because you know,
they don't know if there's still an attacker on the loose.
(05:17):
God knows when this happened. So she's saying that her
husband been hurt and that he's lying on the floor
and Greg had been shot. He was shot execution style.
The bullet entered his skull above his left ear and
it was a thirty eight caliber bullet, so he was
dead like as soon as he was shot shot. At
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this point, most of her neighbors had heard the commotion
and had stepped outside to see what was happening. They lived,
like I said, in a condo complex, and they were
attached condos. They lived on the end. But all of
this commotion is happening. So two calls were made from
two different neighbors placed to nine one one. One neighbor
just assumed that she had been beaten by her husband,
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so I guess that's probably on the nine one one.
Another neighbor came to see if he could help, and
when he asked Pamela where her husband was, she pointed
toward the condo. The neighbor then started frantically looking inside
all of the cars parked outside the condominium, and he's screaming, well,
where the fuck is he? And Pamela's like, he's inside,
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he's inside. So when the neighbor ran up to the
porch steps to add her through the front door, Pamela
screamed for him not to go outside, just in case.
You know, the intruder was still there. Right when the
neighbor opened the front door slowly. The first glimpse was
of the brass candlestick, since the foyer light was twinkling
off of it. As the neighbor inspected further, he could
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see Greg's twisted foot. He opened the door a little
more and he did see Greg laying face down in
his own blood. It didn't take long for the cops
to arrive, and at first this killing seemed random. Greg
was pronounced officially that at eleven nineteen pm, and the
crime scene tape went up. Police started investigating immediately, looking around,
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and they noticed that the entire condo was completely ransacked.
Although the murder of Greg looked a lot like a
burglary gone wrong, when police Captain Jackson got to the scene,
he immediately noticed some serious red flags. He said, a
lot of what was visible just didn't make sense. There
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wasn't a single sign of forced entry. The burglary quote unquote,
took place at night in one of the most heavily
populated areas in New Hampshire, and the method of the
shooting was execution style. The police captain didn't believe for
a second that this was a burglary, even though the
condo was ransacked. He said there was no sign of
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a struggle. And burglars, though, don't usually fight. They don't
usually pack guns. They usually like are in and out,
you know, they steal whatever they need to steal, and
they leave.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Out no contact.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, and if they do commit murder, it's usually because
they panicked. Yes, And the police captain noticed that it
just seems staged somehow, it just didn't seem right. So
let me tell you a little bit about Greg Gregory.
Greg Smart was born to his parents, William and Judith
on September fourth, nineteen sixty five, in Nassau, New Hampshire.
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So that makes him a viurgo, Yes, that does. Greg
had two brothers growing up, and he went to Londonderry
High School and graduated in nineteen eighty three. He had
a pretty decent childhood and some would even say that
it was picturesque more idyllic. On family vacations, the Smart
family would go voting on Lake winnip Poseki, which is
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a gorgeous lake in New Hampshire. When he was little,
Greg played Little League baseball and he even helped his
team win a championship in nineteen seventy seven. While growing
up in the eighties, Greg fell in love with heavy
metal music and he was really passionate about it, and
it was a passion that he would later share with
his future wife, Pamela Voyas. Pamela Voyas Smart was born
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on August sixth, nineteen sixty seven, making her a Leo, Leo,
Leo and Virgo to her parents, John and Linda, and
she grew up in Coral Gables, Florida, with one brother
and a sister. Her mother, Linda, was a stay at
home mom and she ran a tight ship, doing everything
she could to build a happy home for her family.
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Linda was the best of the best as far as
moms go, and she was always there for her kids
while her husband was working as a pilot. And even
though her father, John was home irregularly because he was
a pilot, Pamela had a very close bond with her dad.
So as far as childhoods go, Pamela had a really
good and loving childhood. She came from an all American family.
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She was a happy child with lots of friends.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
I think carl Gables is a really nice area. I
do too, Yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Eventually, the Voyas family moved to New Hampshire and shortly thereafter,
Pam started college at Florida State University. She was extremely
intelligent and graduated college a year early despite working three
jobs while she went to school. And I have to
say she must have really been really smart, because I
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was college full time. I didn't go in the spring
and summer semesters. But it took me five years.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Job, Yeah, and worked three jobs. One of them was
a forty hour a week job. She was she was
hustle on. It was hustling and her family called her
an overachiever and I.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Completely blound like that.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yes, she received her degree in Communication arts and her
life school was to get into television journalism and be
the next Barbara Walters. While trying to work her way
up in the media, she worked as a college DJ
on the local Telehasse radio station WVFS, the voice on
eighty nine point seven FM. While at the station, she
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hosted two different shows. One was specifically for rock music,
and she called herself the Maiden of Metal Oh. Her
radio show is called Metal Madness. Her favorite bands at
the time were Motley Crue and Van Halen. One day, though,
around Christmas nineteen eighty six. That's when she met Greg.
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The two met while Pamela was home from college on
Christmas break, you know, in New Hampshire. She had a
boyfriend all throughout high school, but according to her, nobody
else mattered after she met Greg. She said, initially she
wasn't attracted to him, but getting to know him, that's
when she fell madly and passionately in love with him.
She loved how happy and fun he was. He was
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always smiling, he was just so much fun to be around.
He also loved the same music as her.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Shortly after getting to know him, she told her family
He's the one. Pamli's family loved him almost as much
as she did. He had a rocker look to him
and had like big eighties hair. He was everything that
she'd ever dreamed of for herself. He was about five
foot ten, He was athletic, build fit, and he had
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these different hobbies such as hiking, fishing, and skiing that
kept him in shape. Pam was very petite and had
a vibrant personality, and when they met it was just sparks. Well.
Pam and Greg fall head over heels in love, and
Greg moved to Florida to be closer to Pam while
she was finishing her degree. The two of them tied
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the knot in nineteen eighty nine and together they moved
to Dairy, New Hampshire after Pam graduated. They also got
a dog, a Shitsu, and his name was Halen, Like
I told you after Van Halen.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
That's adorable.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yes, you know. Van Halen was the rock band that
brought them together at the beginning of the relationship, and
their two favorite songs were You Really Got Me and
Hot for Teacher. That know, I love that song Hot
for Teaching.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
I had a huge crush on David Lee Roth in
nineteen years and I had the poster of him where
he was leaning over like a makeup tha like with
the lights to get ready. He's leaning over and assless
leather chaps, you can guys kind of catch from the lighting,
big old bottle of Jack Daniels. He just looks so
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freaking delicious. My mother hated like that poster. She would
look at me disgusting. Yeah, you mean if you mean
hot when you say disgusting, Yes, he's very disgusting.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Funny, I know, and I can totally picture it with
that description right with that hair and yeah, oh gosh. However,
not even six months into their marriage, things began to
sour between the couple. According to Pamela, the downfall of
their marriage was due to the fact that Greg had
admitted to having a one night stand right at the
beginning of their marriage. Now, I don't know if that's true.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Mm hm oh right, because that's his first story.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah, first story, right, So I don't know if it's true.
I really, I don't know. I don't know Greg, I
didn't know. I don't know if he had like a
guilty conscience about it. But Pamela also seemed kind of
bored and tired with Greg, especially now that his battle
head image faded. When he got a grown up job
in insurance, he cut his hair and wore suits to work.
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She had compared him to looking like John bon Jovi,
but when he cut his hair, he looked so basic,
and that wasn't the man she was attracted to. She
wanted the rock star version of Greg. Pamela quickly wondered
where the man she married had gone. Like I said,
he got a job working for an insurance company. He
needs to support his wife, and he wants to start
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a family. Somedays, so he's getting a real job. And
at the time, she was working for winn Ackoonant High
School located in Hampton, New Hampshire, as the media director.
Gregg had worked his way up the business ladder and
he became a very accomplished salesman for insurance. While she
was working for the high school, Pamela was able to
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dabble in broadcasting and continue on her passion for music.
Her roles at the school included producing educational videos for
students and they were distributed districtwide. Pamela believed that this
role was a stepping stone toward her dream job as
a news anchor. She had her own secretary and student
intern to help her in any way she needed. Wow
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Every student at the high school looked up to pam
She was one of the cool people on the staff
and she spoke to the students like she was like
a friend. She would always talk to the students about music,
and she told them about meeting Eddie van Halen and
getting backstage passes to one of the van Halen concerts.
From the outside, though, the marriage between Greg and Pamela
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seemed to be peachy to everyone that knew them. Pamela
described her marriage with Greg as picture perfect. So I
don't know when she said that, but she so red flag.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
That's the huge red picture perfect.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
You're perfect, okay, unlikely? Yes, yeah, And by all accounts,
Greg was completely dedicated and truly devoted to his wife.
He was looking forward to starting a family with Pamela
and Haylen. But Pamela was a little different. She seemed
to care tad more for the dog more than Greg.
It would make the dog home cooked meals and instead
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of Greg. I'm sure though you know Greg got home
cooked meals too, But.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
That is a little prioritize wise, a little red flag there.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
She's not feeding the dog dog food apparently right. Pamela
thought herself as a typical Leo who was always looking
out for her own best interests no matter what. She
loved to be the center of attention and said about
herself quote, everywhere I go, I'm always attracting attention for
some reason or another. I'm loud, very outgoing and stuff.
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And as you know, I'm a Leo. And she said,
Leo is a bad name.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
At this moment, she is not portraying Leo's in a
very good light. No, not at all. No, I love
the attention either.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
I will always be positive when I say, oh my gosh,
you're such an attention whore, Like if I said it
to you, that would be hilarious because I know how
much you love it, and I love that about you.
You know what I'm saying. I genuinely love it. I'm
just like, look at you go. You are in your
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element and I love.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
It just like print.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
But I don't think like I do it on purpose exactly.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
You don't come across like, oh this, but I can.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
When you're in your element, I just sit back.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
I'm your biggest cheerleader.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Oh thank you.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Other people can make it look ugly. You know what
I'm saying, like, oh, look at me. Everywhere I go
I get attention.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Yeah, like I would never say that I might.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
No, thank you.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Class, It's called class, girl, learn it.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
While Pamela was working on various different projects at the school,
one of her more notable project was something called Project
Self Esteem. This was about drug awareness. Participation in the
program was mandatory for all freshmen students, and she was
able to get them on board pretty easily with how
she talked to them like they were her friends. And
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pressed the program's participants. But one student in particular grew
completely infatuated with Pamela, and that was fifteen year old
Billy Flynn. So let me tell you a little bit
about Billy. William Patrick Flynn was born on March twelfth,
nineteen seventy four, making him a Pisces to his parents
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Billemy Lane. His parents' marriage was considered to be turbulent
and chaotic, and Billy seemed to always be put right
in the middle of his parents' constant arguing. He grew
up with two brothers, and Billy took the brunt of
their father's anger. Billy, his mother later said, quote, if
things were going my husband's way, he was a great
guy to be around, but as soon as he had
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to deal with any inconvenience, forget it end quote Willy Yeah.
Eline finally chose to leave her husband after she found
out that he had been having an affair and had
been cheating on her for years. After his parents divorced,
twelve year old Billy moved to New Hampshire with his
siblings and mom. He never wanted to move, and he
felt a lot of animosity toward his mother for making
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him move. When he was about two weeks from his
thirteenth birthday, his father passed away in a tragic car accident.
A car had pulled out in front of him while
he was driving, and he had to swerve out of
the way to not hit the car. Unfortunately, he swerved
into a gasoline tinker that was carrying nine thousand gallons
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of gas and there was a massive explosion and Billy's
father was burned alive like ferociously. The only remains left
to help identify his charred body were his teeth. After
Billy heard the news of the accident, he shut down
socially and spent the majority of his time by himself.
Billy's mother said that he was always acting out while
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at home, but he was never violent. Any little inconvenience
would send him into a spiral, and talking to him
in general was extremely difficult until he would finally calm down.
His mother said quote that was one side to Billy,
that he projected to people that he wanted to impress.
He wanted to be liked, because she said he was
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charming and very mannerly. Inside the family is where he
took out his anger like a volcano, waiting to erupt
end quote. Billy became smitten with Pamela almost immediately. His
infatuation got pretty serious as he became Pamela's number one
help on Project Self Esteem. He also visited her office
every single day. The first time you saw her was
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at a meeting for the project's discussion leaders, and after
Pamela was introduced to speak at the meeting, Billy turned
to his friend and said, I'm in love. It was
the fall of nineteen eighty nine, which happened to be
around the time when Greg made his supposed confession of
adultery to Pamela, and Pamela said that around this time,
Greg also encouraged her to hang out with her friends
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that she had made while working at the school, which
I really find weird because she's hanging out with a
bunch of teenagers.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yeah, my friends are students. So when you tell me
to go hang out with my friends, yeah, I he
meant colleagues, Yeah right, and she was like fifteen year olds.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, fifteen year old's great. When the work for Project
Self Esteem was done, Pamela and Billy kept working together
on a video for an Orange Juice video competition. Like
I think it was like a commercial like you had
to submit a commercial about it. Billy was a shy
kid with big eyes and shoulder length hair, so picture
the hairstyle that Greg literally had just chopped off a
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job to look more professional. Billy wore a leather jacket
and an earring. He played guitar and people always compared
him to a young Paul McCartney. He had a passion
for music in his favorite band was Motley Crue. Billy
had two close friends, Patrick who they called Pete Randall
in Vance Jr. Vladimir Junior. They were often referred to
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as the Three Musketeers, and they did a lot for
the community of South Seabrook and Seabrook is considered blue collar,
but they would do things like shoveling snow for their neighbors,
running errands, doing odd jobs for those who needed them.
They even gave free services to the elderly, and people
in that area called them, like I said, the three Musketeers.
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The three of them met when they began middle school,
and they were inseparable. Jr. Was two years older than
Billy and one year older than Pete. He had dark,
curly hair and wore very thick glasses. Which made him
look intellectual. His life goal was to join the military
and become a marine. Whenever he had any free time,
he visited his grandma, who lived in Haverhill, Massachusetts, and
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he always helped with holiday dinners with his local church
to help those who were in need of a hot meal. Pete,
on the other hand, was a bit of a handful
and his life dream was to become a professional hit man. Yeah,
but his mom described him as being a loving kid.
Pamela was obviously not supposed to fraternize with the students
like she did, but she began to quickly overstep her bounds.
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Even with her student in turn, named Cecilia, they became
the equivalent of best friends, and Cecilia knew everything about
Pamela's personal life. The same and worse was set about
her relationship with Billy. The three of them even used
to hang out together. When she was beginning to learn
how to drive, Pamela would take Celia out in her
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Honda CRX. We would also let other teenagers drive her
car to which you know that made her super cool.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
I can imagine that is some cool shit right there.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
The friendship between Cecilia and Pamela began affecting the teenager's
life negatively. Though her school work, her other friendships, and
home life were affected, but Cecilia didn't care. She idolized Pamela.
Cecilia's mother said, quote, as this relationship went on and on,
I liked it less and less. I was actually getting
really angry end quote. Right after Cecilia met Pamela, her
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grades began to get worse, and her mother even had
to speak with the administration because of how much time
Cecilia spent at the high school's media center, where Pamela's
office was. The assistant principal agreed with Cecilia's mom, but
nothing ever came of the conversation. Pamela was so excited
to be able to hang out with her students outside
of school, and since most of them were from Southbrooks,
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she would invite the kids over to her condo to
work on school project. Greg was spending more and more
time with his own friends and Pamela with hers, and
this is when she also developed an infatuation with Billy Gross.
He's fifteen oh boy. One day, when Billy was in
Pamela's office, she asked him flat out, do you ever
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think about me when I'm not around. Billy responded back
by simply saying sure. Pamela said, well, I think about
you all the time. After Billy heard that there was
no stopping his romantic obsession with her, Pamela told him
that she didn't understand her feelings for him, and she
said she didn't know what to do with all of
these feelings for him since she was a married woman.
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She couldn't shake this kid from her brain. And not
even a month later, she found herself in his bedroom
kissing him while the two lay on his bed. The
whole time they were making out, Motley Cruz's Starry Eyes
was playing over and.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Oh my gosh, this is a romance on Bizarre World.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Fueled by Motley Crue.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Sometime in late March of nineteen ninety, Pamela invited Billy
and Cecilia over to Ricondo to have a little bit
of fun while her husband was out of town on
business for his insurance company. Rather than watch a movie
that was age appropriate, Pamela decides that she's going to
put on that movie nine and a half Weeks, starring
Mickey Rourke and Kim Bassenger. Yes, have you ever seen that? I?
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Was too young and was forbidden you see it.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
And then by the time the window was closed, I
was like, no, baby, did you see it?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Did you? Oh?
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Oh yeah I saw it and it was very steamy.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I remember he at that time, right, he was.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Super sexy and Kim Bassenger was beautiful. Yeah, yeah, I
just remember there was one scene where they were in
front of the refrigerator, like just basically making out and
feeding each other like whip creamy.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yes, I do remember that little hot scene.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
So you know, she puts on this movie for the teenagers.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
And he's so impressionable. My god, he's fifteen right.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Shortly after the movie ended, Cecilia went outside to walk
Halen the dog, and when Pamela and Billy were alone,
she asked him to come upstairs to her bedroom that
she shared with Greg. Once the two of them were upstairs,
Pamela put on a turquoise colored lingerie piece that she
had bought specifically to wear to seduce Billy. For the
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first time, the two had sex, and while they were
having sex, Pamela blasted her stereo speakers with Van Halen
and Sammy Hagar songs.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
After this, the two of them met frequently over the
next couple of weeks for secks. It was sometime over
these sex filled weeks that Pamela said to Billy, you
have to get rid of Greg, otherwise we can't keep
on seeing each other. Billy asked Pamela she couldn't just
get a divorce, and Pamela told him that Greg was
basically obsessed with her and she was convinced that he
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would never allow her to have another relationship with someone.
She added that she would also lose the condo, that's
the real reason, I think, beautiful furniture, and their little dog, Halen.
She couldn't bear the thought of losing everything, especially Halen.
And she told Billy that Greg physically beat her on
a regular basis, so the only way to get rid
of him was for Billy to kill him. And just
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to defend Greg, that's never been proven that Yeah physically
abused her. Pamela knew Billy would have done anything to
be with her, and he agreed to kill Greg for her.
Later at trial, when he was on the stand, Billy
testified that he tried to kill Greg two times before
he actually went through with the murder. When he aboorded
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the mission twice Pamela threatened to break up with him
and scolded him. According to Billy, she screamed at him,
if you love me, you'd do this. Yeah, that was
when things took a serious turn. He began talking to
his friends Pete and Jr. About his plan to kill Greg.
Pamela let Billy know that the day of May first
would be a perfect day to go through with their
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plan to murder Greg. Greg had appointments later in the
evening and Pamela would have an airtight alibi with a
school meeting to discuss salary review. She even told Billy
that she would pay him money from Greg's life insurance payout.
Pamela and Greg were basically roommates at this point in
their marriage, and people began to notice the strain and
their relationship. Cecilia even testified at trial that she overheard
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a conversation while Pamela was on the phone with Greg
and said, quote, she was saying something about getting a divorce,
and then they started fighting over who was going to
take the dog in furniture and everything, and then she
said fine, take the dog and hung up end quote.
In the month before the murder, Greg was consistently coming
home to an empty house, and he was eating every
meal alone crazily. Billy was in the house one night
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to kill him, and Greg suddenly experienced an overwhelming feeling
of danger as he walked into the condo, like his
sixth sense went.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Off, you know, his spidy senses. Yes.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Greg told a friend that as soon as he felt this,
he turned right back around and left the condo. Greg
said that this feeling was unexplainable, but he just knew
that he was in immediate danger and needed to leave
the house as soon as possible. In the days leading
up to Greg's execution style murder, Billy was talking with Jr.
And Pete regularly walking through the plan, which was that
all three of them are going to wear their darkest
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clothing they could find, and that they were going to
park it a nearby shopping mall. Pamela was going to
leave the cellar door open along with the back door.
Billy was going to enter the condo through one, and
Pete was going to enter the condo through another. They
needed to stage the house to make it look like
a burglary, and Pamela told them to take anything they wanted,
such as any electronics that they could carry an expensive jewelry. Jr.
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Was going to wait at the plaza at the mall
for them to return. Billy had three specific rules for me. First, one,
they could not turn on any of the house lights.
Pam said, Greg is a real whimp. If he sees
the lights on, he won't come inside. Two, nobody could
hurt the dog, and they were to place Halen in
the basement so he didn't have to see Greg get
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brutally murdered. Billy said, Pamela didn't want Halen to be traumatized.
And three, Billy wasn't to use a knife, only a gun.
A knife would leave way too much of a mess,
and Pamela didn't want any of her husband's blood to
get on their beautiful white leather couch.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
She has some long game thinking, she's writes, apful the dog.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I don't want the big mess. Mmmm yeah, Oh my gosh,
this monster of a woman I know.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
On the morning of the murder, Pama left the house
in her silver Honda CRX that had a vanity license
plate that read Halen. Her plan was to be home
well after Greg's murder. Later in that day, she met
Billy at his locker to tell him the doors were unlocked.
All of the jewelry that she didn't want the boys
to take was warn to school that morning. Around two
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thirty in the afternoon, Billy called her to let her
know that there had been a small problem. They needed
a ride to pick up their getaway car, Jr's Grandma's
nineteen seventy eight bright yellow Chevy Impala, which was going
to be their getaway car.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Awesome, so Pamela.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Agreed that she was going to drive them over to jr.
Grandma's house. Around eight thirty pm on the night of
the murder, Billy and Pete entered the house as Jr.
Stayed at the shopping plaza. Next, the boys tried to
move Halen. As soon as Billy went to scoop his
little ass up, he began growling and barking while he
ran away. Billy chased the dog around the house and
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finally caught him. Then he literally threw Halen down into
the basement, and the two boys laughed later on about
hearing the dog slump as he tumbled down the stairs.
The two boys then went on to completely ransack the house,
scooping up jewelry along with CDs and taking apart pieces
of the entertainment center. Everything's tall enough was placed into
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a black pillowcase. After the place was torn apart, they
waited in darkness for Greg. When Greg arrived home and
walked in the front door, he called out, hey, len
on cube. Billy jumped out from behind the door and
grabbed Greg's the shoulder of Greg's sport coat, and just
like that, Greg was overpowered. One of the kids told
Greg to give them his wallet, which he did, and
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Pete told Greg to give him the diamond encrusted wedding band,
which said no, I can't do that. My wife would
kill me. Right before Billy pulled the trigger to kill Greg,
Billy uttered the words God, forgive me. Billy and Pete
then ran out of the condo as fast as they
could to get to the getaway car. Well Pamela was
on her way home. She told Billy later that she
had actually seen their getaway car while passing them on
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the road, and she flicked her lights on and off
to say, Hi, oh my gosh, this woman huh so
fucking delusion?
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Oh man, just cold yes.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
During the next few weeks of the police investigation, Pamela
was telling the police that her husband was probably killed
by quote some jerk, some drug addict person looking for
a quick ten bucks end quote. The town of Dary
hadn't had a murder in quite some time, in actually
nineteen ninety. This was the only murder that happened in
the town, so everyone was thinking, you know, it's gang
(34:17):
related or some outlanders story. Yeah, right, But the police
had a haunch that somehow Pamela was behind her husband's
death due to her detachment over the whole thing. They
got their break two weeks later when the police received
an anonymous tip about Greg's murder. On May fourteenth, the
police received a call from an unknowned woman who told
(34:38):
the lead detective that Pamela had been involved in the murder.
The caller was a friend of Cecilia's, and Cecilia had
confided in her with this bit of important information.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Right Oddly.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
There were also rumors around Dary that the murder was
committed with a gun that belonged to j R's father,
which was true, Oh yeah. After his father looked at
the gun and noticed that it had been cleaned, he
gave it to the police and it was placed into evidence.
Not long after, the gun was turned over. All three
boys were arrested for the murder of Greg Smart. The
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police later arrested a fourth guy, a nineteen year old
named Raymond Fowler. After the boys were arrested, they all
sung like a bunch of canaries and told police investigators
that Pamela had seduced and manipulated Billy into killing her
husband so that the two of them could be together.
On August first, nineteen ninety, Pamela was arrested at the
(35:34):
high school that she worked at in the parking lot.
And this next part is just kind of hilarious. The
detective told Pamela upon seeing her in the parking lot. Quote, well, Pam,
I have some good news and I have some bad news.
The good news is that we've solved the murder of
your husband. The bad news is you're under arrest.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
And that is so I wonder if he practiced that,
you know, the night before, Like, how do I present
this tour?
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Yeahoo, he's my cleverness. I know.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
I think that's great. Hey, we solved it.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
You're it tag?
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Yeahar it. Pamela plaied not guilty, and her trial was
the first ever fully televised murder trial in the US.
Wow and I think that's how we all know it. Yes,
it has to be. And you know the fact that
she's a teacher at a high school fucking one of
her students, So I mean, which that was quite salacious.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
For sure, great word too.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Yes, it's part of my lexicon.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
I just put it down on mine as well. I
do like salacious.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
The entire country was glued to their televisions as they
watched Billy take the stand to tell his side of everything.
And I do remember seeing the video like of him
crying on the snadh.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
I got.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yeah. The prosecution had zero issues talking about how unhappy
Pamela was in the marriage and how she was looking
forward to Greg's life insurance payout of one hundred and
forty thousand dollars, which is equivalent to roughly three hundred
and thirty eight one hundred and twenty five dollars today.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
WHOA.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Cecilia agreed to wear a wire after the murder took place,
and the recordings of her conversations with Pamela were played
during the trial. In the tapes, Pamela acknowledged her role
in the murder, and she told Cecilia, quote, you'd be
better off just lying to the police. We'd go to
the slammer for the rest of our lives end quote.
Pamela was also on tape saying that the murder was
(37:32):
almost perfect. Billy just had to brag about it to
his friends.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
I just kid, she just zero responsibility and then trying
to make us seem to Cecilia that we're going.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yeah, we're going. Cecilia is like, bitch, I didn't do nothing.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Because what how fucking she's Another thing about my lexicon
is I am trying not to swear so much, you know,
using fuck as an adjective.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
So why haven't you seen the studies that if you
swear a lot, you're more intelligent.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
I do. It needs to balance out with good words.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Yeah, I just can't rely on'm fuck fuckery about her
being such a predator to these boys and the girl
you know she's yeah, she's really groomy.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yeah she knows or not.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Yeah, she really made them do what she wanted.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Yeah, And who doesn't think that a girl is so
you know, a young student or a young teacher. It's
so cool. It's very impressionable, and she had a big responsibility.
She totally took advantage of it. I don't pleasure. Yeah,
I'm pretty sure it wasn't worth it, pam.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
But yeah, I know. I remember when I was in
high school. There was a new teacher and he was young.
He was the typing teacher, and we were all excited
to take typing.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
A huge surge. There was a waiting list for typing.
Oh but back to our story.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Yeah, jury found Pamily guilty of being an accomplice to
premeditated first degree murder on March twenty second, nineteen ninety one.
She was also found guilty of witness tampering. She was
sentenced to spend the rest of her life in prison
without any possibility of parole, and she remains serving out
the rest of her natural life at a maximum security
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prison in New York. Since Billy was a minor and
completely manipulated by Pamela, he was found guilty of second
degree murder and his sentence was a pretty hefty one
twenty eight years to life, but he was paroled and
let out of prison in twenty fifteen. Pete was also
paroled in twenty fifteen, while Jr. And Raymond Fowler were
(39:39):
released in two thousand and five. Since the murder, this
case has been made into a movie that you and
I talked about called To Die For and it stars
Joaquin Phoenix and Nicole Kidman. Did you ever see it?
It's been so long, but Joaquin, you know, he's one
of the people I go to the movies for.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Yeah, even if I'm not interested in the movie.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Oh, oh it's Joaquin. I'm there.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Yeah, it's Joaquin, I'm there. Yeah, I remember seeing it.
It was what was really good.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Yeah, she looked really good, just like her sex appeal.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
And you know, you can just see from the clips
you could get the gist of the problem that Joaquin
would be facing, right.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Yeah. Absolutely. Billy was released on his forty first birthday,
and during his parole hearing, he said, quote, I will
always feel terrible about what happened twenty five years ago.
Parole will not change that. I know that nothing I
can say here today will be of comfort to the
Smart family, but at the very least, I sincerely hope
(40:40):
that this will be the last time they have to
be publicly reminded of their grief, and I am truly
sorry for the pain I have caused them.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
End quote.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
He met a woman while in prison and he married
her and once he was finally released, He and his
wife moved to Maine and butt a pretty large piece
of land to live out the rest of their lives
out of the spot late.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
That's nice.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Yeah, And I don't know what happened to the rest
of the bunch, but yeah, I mean, so.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
She's still in prison and.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Sounds like the ride the getaway driver and another accomplice
got out in two thousand and five and then the other.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Two twenty and fifteen. I mean, what a life lesson? Yeah,
for these the nineties were a trip.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Right, I know, they absolutely were.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Oh, if you wanted it, you just took it, and
you just made a lie. Oh, probably just somebody who
came in the house of some drug person wanting ten bucks.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
You didn't really think about the story much, did you after?
Because that sounds like a child.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
She put a lot of thought into how to do it,
leaving the doors unlocked, make sure you ransacked the place,
blah blah blah blah blah blah. Boy, oh boy. She
did not prepare for the long game at all.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
No, And that is so important. Don't start anything unless
you can have a long game. That's where that's where
you're going to fuck up.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
And you know, she's like she's like distant about it,
Like she's not like acting like she's distraught. Like, girl,
you have to put on the act, like you have
to act distraught and upset that somebody came and murdered
your fucking twenty four year old husband, like.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
You know exactly the disconnect.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
You might as well wear a red cape with how
little you're expressing.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
You know.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
But if I did it, she should I did it.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
I'm lying, Well, that was a good That was so
long ago, but it's still so fresh. I know that
Nicole did such a great job of portraying the story
with Jaquin.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Yeah, we were all over.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
I did not realize that it was the first televised
yeah either for everything. We know, the bigger ones like
the OJA and Johnny depf, but we have to take
a bow to the archaeotype case you know.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
This. Yeah, yeah, this one is. I didn't realize it
was the first one either, so I was like, wow,
you know, and then I was thinking about it and
like that's pretty crazy, and it's like I said, that's
probably how we all know it. And at least if
you were an adult in nineteen ninety or close to it,
you know, you would have seen it in the.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
News for sure.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
It's such a sad story that I and I don't
know what her long game was. I doubt it was
to stay with Billy for the rest of it.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
I don't think so. I think she just loved the
thrill of the chase.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Yeah, that's when you're fifteen in a world you're twenty
six in your love of your life is fifteen.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
There was some delusional problems there.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
I think she was only twenty two or twenty three actually.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Each Okay, even's I'm an adult and you're a child.
Thing that happens when you're eighteen, right, you know, whether
you're aware of it.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Yeah, So not that I'm trying.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
To make it sound less gross, but you're yeah, I
mean Billy, I hope he's having I feel so terrible
naturally for the Smart family with Gregory, and then it's
just so many factors, the youth of Billy.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
And then my god, it's the teacher.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
If you're a teacher, is inviting you to her home
by specific lingerie for you, is blasting Van Halen and
Sammy Hagar. He never listens to I can't drive fifty
five again, because you know what I'm saying, like he.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Thinks she is a goddess.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Oh for sure, rock and roll.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
And she was doing this while this song was playing. Hello.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Yeah, she's older, she's beautiful, she's experienced, and she's him.
And I doubt that he had a lot of sexual
experience at fifteen years old.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Totally manipulated him through sex. And you know, he's just
a kid. He And again, I'm not trying to excuse
what he did.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
No, not at all.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
But I mean him too, I only manipulated into doing this.
He knew what was wrong and that's why he ended
up in prison. But I feel it's just so senseless.
I feel for Greg's because he sounded like a great
guy and what like she just didn't want to give
him the dog or the furniture. I don't get I
don't get it, like she just wanted the money. Really
(45:20):
wasn't even that much money, I mean three hundred grand
Yeah right, it's not worth killing your husband for. I mean,
I'm in I'm not killing my husband for three hundred
thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
I need a bigger number.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Yeah, Like I might think about it if it's like
thirty million dollars.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
But I mean that's right, we're just in the hundred thousands.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Come on, I'd pissed that away, so fat So anyway,
the long game, Yeah, she wasn't mature enough either, No,
and you know she just you know, when you're young
and you get married, you married someone because they're hot.
And now Greg cut his hair and wearing boring ass
suits and she doesn't find him hot anymore, and you
(46:03):
know what.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
And that's like so shallow, like you didn't like anything
about like you don't have any roots that you loved
about them. I mean, we can all change our appearance, right,
it's our core. That is the fun.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
I mean he sounded fun and great.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
Totally, oh my gosh, and you're not. You don't become
a very successful sales guide and insurance by being a dick.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
Yeah, you had any like terrible qualities about him, the
simple divorce could take care of.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
But it's just sad. So well, thank you Shannon, and
thank you everyone for listening to this week's episode. If
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Speaker 2 (47:28):
On the stem a time. We're getting there.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
We're moving forward right exactly. So anyway, I think that's
all the business. So until our next episode, Shannon, I.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Love you girl.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
You take care of yourself till next time, which could
be tomorrow or the day after.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
It could be one of these days. I will see
you again very soon, So I love you.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
I love you too, you guys, take care YouTube bye
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Ra think so
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