July 21, 2025 • 29 mins
She was vibrant, creative, and full of life—a young woman with a contagious smile and a heart that drew people in. But in the summer of 2017, Shannon Graves vanished from Youngstown, Ohio, without a trace. What began as a missing person case quickly spiraled into something far darker, revealing a chilling story of betrayal, manipulation, and murder. In this episode, we peel back the layers of a case that shocked a community and exposed a deeply disturbing secret hidden in plain sight. This is the story of Shannon Graves.
SOURCES:
1) Crime and Justice With Ashleigh Banfield
2) Tragedy of Youngstown murder haunts family as police continue to work the case
3) The Misery Machine Podcast
4) ‘It Was Like A Nightmare’: Ohio Couple Found Woman’s Dismembered Body In Friend’s Deep Freezer
5) Beautiful 28-yo Shannon Graves’ body parts sealed in plastic bags, stored in freezer while look-a-like allegedly steals identity
6) A Body in the Basement
7) Man convicted of murdering Youngstown woman found in freezer
8) Ohio v. Autoro Novoa
9) Final Conspirator Sentenced to Prison in Youngstown Dismemberment Case
10) Mahoning County Man Pleads Guilty to Murder and Abuse of Corpse
11) Woman sentenced to 18 years in coverup and dismemberment case
12) Killer to get new sentence
13) Buried in the House: Don’t Open the Freezer, Oxygen.
SOURCES:
1) Crime and Justice With Ashleigh Banfield
2) Tragedy of Youngstown murder haunts family as police continue to work the case
3) The Misery Machine Podcast
4) ‘It Was Like A Nightmare’: Ohio Couple Found Woman’s Dismembered Body In Friend’s Deep Freezer
5) Beautiful 28-yo Shannon Graves’ body parts sealed in plastic bags, stored in freezer while look-a-like allegedly steals identity
6) A Body in the Basement
7) Man convicted of murdering Youngstown woman found in freezer
8) Ohio v. Autoro Novoa
9) Final Conspirator Sentenced to Prison in Youngstown Dismemberment Case
10) Mahoning County Man Pleads Guilty to Murder and Abuse of Corpse
11) Woman sentenced to 18 years in coverup and dismemberment case
12) Killer to get new sentence
13) Buried in the House: Don’t Open the Freezer, Oxygen.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
This episode ma contain content of a graphic nature, including
descriptions of physical and sexual violence against adults, children, and animals.
Listener discretion is advised. Hi, this is Tanya. Hi, this
(00:37):
is Shannon, and we are Crimes and Consequences, a hardcore
true crime podcast. Hey Shannon, Hey Tanya. How are you?
I'm doing pretty good? How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I'm doing freaking fabulous Liday, Thursday, Today, Thursday.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I have an announcement you.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, I may or may not continue with the podcast
on if I'm going with the route that this is
looking to be. I was playing the lotto online meat
and I woke up to be Winter Winter Chicken dinner dollars.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
I hit right, the power ball was a five.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Nice, that's what I So it looks like the path
is opening now, yes, right, So but I will lottery wins. Yeah,
you know what, you know what I do with the lottery.
I'm going to get a van and then we'll just travel, Tanya.
We then we'll parlay into a travel podcast that we
just visit different crime.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
That would be fabulous. I am there with you, girl.
That is so fun. My husband and child won't mind
if I just go on the road with you like
U for my product. We got to give what the
people want. So here we are. We're here to please.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
What about you, girl, how are you anything on the
horizon for you?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
No? No, just you know, it's been to work week.
I can't wait till the weekend. He has every other
work and stuff in this world. Yeah, just same old shit.
So that is so funny.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
That is so reminiscent of our bingo days in Canada.
Oh so you know, we live in the Detroit metro
area and before nine eleven we would go to Canada
to play bingo.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
All was humongous.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I was a heavy smoker at the time, and wow,
what a bonanza. You could smoke right at the tables
around with hot drinks, you could get daubers. It was
an event. I had taken Tanya, and I'm used to winning.
I go there, I expect when even like a small round,
it's just I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
And Tanya is sitting next to me and she's all
like nah.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Every time, like someone would call bingo and we'd move
on to the next round, and she's like, oh god,
I never went and I had to just my dabber
down and I looked her square in the face, and
I said, I need you to stop with this negativity.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Okay, I can't draw. I'm a winner.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I'm gonna win and I can't if you're always saying
that you're gonna lose, you're too close to me.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
You're giving me bad ju juw. I love it. It did.
I'm sure it was something. Oh we won a few times.
It was so great. Do you remember I do? I
do remember when you told me that. I was like, oh, okay, sorry,
I need.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
You to amp up the positivity. We're in a win
the manifestation energy.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
So I remember. It was a lot of fun. And
that's when I got introduced to gravy fries.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
So they're the best gravy fries.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Oh yeah. But anyway, anyway, must move on to business.
And what story do you have for I have a
horrific story. Of course, they're all terrible. And before I
get started, I just like to remind everyone to hit
the subscriber follow button on whatever app you're listening to,
and I'm going to tell you about the murder of
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Shannon Graves. So Shannon Graves, she came into this world
on November fourth, nineteen eighty eight. So that made for Corbiel.
The dark haired, brown eyed beauty was born in historic Youngstown,
Ohio two Christine Graves and Ronnie de Paul. When she
was about six, Shannon learned that she had a half sister,
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Nick Debbie, and Debbie and Shannon shared a father. Okay,
so the sisters were shocked but excited to learn about
one another, and Shannon also had a little brother, aj
who joined the family. Shannon was immediately smitten with her
little brother, and the sister brother duo shared a very
strong bond for the rest of Shannon's life. Family meant
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everything to Shannon. Debbie, her half sister, says that everyone
would gather often for celebration such as birthdays and holidays,
and they even often had Sunday dinner. She remembers the
first time she met Shannon, which was on Christmas Eve
at the home of Debbie's aunt Joanne. Debbie, who previously
had believed she was an only child, knocked on the
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door and a woman answered, yelling, Shannon, your sister's here.
Shannon ran into Debbie's arms and hugged her tight, and
Debbie remembers thinking that Shannon was full of spunk, calling
her a pitbull. In a chihuahua's body. There was no
half in these relationships. Debbie and aj were simply Shannon's
sister and brother, and she had a strong bond with both,
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especially AJ two. So Northwest Ohio was always home to Shannon,
who lived in either Youngstown, which was a city halfway
between Cleveland and Pittsburgh, or in small towns nearby. Shannon
was described by many of her large group of friends
as a light, always kind and wanting to help others.
She was even known as Star to her friends because
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of the brightness that she exuded. Shannon was just as
likely to london ear or hand to a stranger down
on their luck as she was to help a good friend.
But behind that shine was pain. Shannon had a rough
time growing up and sometimes hung around with a rough crowd.
She lost her mother and all four of her grandparents,
and those passings hit her really hard. Early life events
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left her feeling ungrounded at times, and her bold personality
mixed with emotional upheaval, built a hardened exterior around her
sensitive and beautiful heart. She liked to have a good
time like most young people, but she gravitated toward people
who could be a bit dangerous. And sometimes your friend's
bad habits run off on you. So it should be
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noted that young'stown had a reputation as a hotbed for crime.
In fact, in the nineteen sixties it was known as Murdertown, USA,
and Youngstown's murder rate was double what the rate was
for the whole state of Ohio. Organized crime was involved
in many and afarious activities around the area. So just
let you know this is the environment that Shannon grew
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up in. Shannon was arrested in May two thousand and
nine and charged with two felony drug crimes. Eventually, one
of those charges was dismissed and the other was reduced
to a misdemeanor drug charge. Shannon pled guilty on July thirtieth,
two thousand and nine, and was sentenced to a six
month suspended sentence plus a fine of one hundred dollars.
The next year, on August eighteenth, twenty ten, Shannon was
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arrested again, this time for felony theft. In that case,
she also had a felony reduced to unauthorized use of property,
which was a misdemeanor, and she was sentenced to thirty
days suspended and a two hundred and fifty dollars fine.
Interestingly enough, that wasn't the end of her legal issues.
She maintained that in both arrests, a deputy clerk signed
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and issued her arrest warrants without establishing probable cause, which
is a huge problem wow. She and eight other women
filed a suit against Mahoning County, Ohio, where all of
their arrests were made, with the claims that their sentences
were avoid because of the lack of establishment of probable cause.
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This suit focused on their belief that their arrests violated
the Fourth Amendment, which protects against unreasonable search and seizure.
Their suit was initially dismissed, then appealed, and there was
a lot of legal back and forth with the appeals
court reversing the case, dismissal, and pushing the case back
for resentencing. But ultimately Shannon and one other woman, who
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had pleaded guilty already to at least one charge, had
no change to their outcome because they didn't claim the
lack of probable cause until after they had been convicted.
So her half sister, Debbie, was like a surrogate mom
to her during this tough time, listening when she needed
to talk through problems and giving her advice on how
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to get out of a jam and keep her life
on track. As you might expect, Shannon didn't want to
see the inside of a jail again. She always had
a talent for hair and makeup, so she decided to
go to cosmetology school. Shannon buckled down and earned her
cosmetology certification in twenty sixteen through Raphael's School of Beauty
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in Boardman, Ohio. She was proud of her accomplishment and
she was excited to start her new career. She had
no idea that it would be a short one. However,
her sometimes dubious associations extended to her romantic relationships. Unfortunately,
Shannon's attraction to one of the bad boys you know
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she liked those that her friend had mentioned, ended up
being her undoing. In early twenty sixteen, Shannon met Arturo Novoa,
a known drug dealer with a bad temper. By September
of that year, Navoa had already moved into Shannon's place.
From the very beginning, their relationship was volatile. Shannon was
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small but mighty, standing less than five feet tall and
around one hundred pounds. However, even she didn't fully understand
the depths of Novoa's anger and depravity. Turmoil was a
constant in their relationship, and by December twenty sixteen, Shannon
was done. She kicked Novoa out and he moved in
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with a woman named Katrina Layton, in a move typical
of Shannon and Novoa's romance. He made it just a
week without Shannon before he was moving right back into
her place on Mahoeing Avenue. Katrina Layton was completely obsessed
with Novoa and she was beyond angry that he had
left her to go back to Shannon. She wanted him
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back badly. Shannon and Novoa continued to have the same
problems they had had before she kicked him out. In fact,
the turbulence seemed to increase. On the flip side, Shannon
was enjoying her job and still spending time with her family.
She celebrated Christmas with her family and that was the
last one that they would all have together. Katrina just
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couldn't get over Novoa. He continued his criminal ways, selling
drugs and participating and other illegal activities, but she didn't care.
Her obsession with him and jealousy towards Shannon grew stronger
every day. It isn't clear if he was seeing both
of them at the same time, but he was calling
Shannon his ax as he went back and forth. It
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became a lethal balance of the continued problems with Shannon
and Katrina's constant push for him to stay with her
that set a plan in motion. Finally, Novoa exploded on
February twenty fourth, twenty seventeen. Katrina later said that she
was at the home Novoa and Shannon shared when novoah
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completely lost control, beating Shannon to death in the bathroom
with a hammer. Of course, that sudden decision left the
remaining pair, Katrina and Novoa with a big dilemma. What
were they going to do with Shannon's body? For some reason,
Navoa shaved Shannon's hair off and sent Katrina shop for
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big fifty five gallon bins that they planned to use
to store Shannon's body while they came up with some
sort of plan. Navoa and Katrina tried a couple of
things to hide the gruesome deed. First, they wrapped Shannon
in garbage bags and then stuck her in the trunk
of her own car. They brought her to Katrina's home,
and Navoa reached out to a man named Andrew Herman.
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Herman and his wife, Michelle Iholmfeld, help Navoa dismember Shannon's body.
They put her arms and legs in one of the
bins Katrina had purchased, and used another of the bins
to store Shannon's torso and head. Sometime around the first
week of March twenty seventeen, those bins were taken back
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to Shannon's home on Mahoeing Avenue. By then, Katrina had
moved herself in to that home along with her thirteen
year old and ten year old children, and they were
living there with Novoa. She basically took over Shannon's life,
driving her car, using her credit card cards, and taking
care of Shannon's beloved dog, Molly. Novoa and Katrina continued
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to keep the body at the Mahoing house in a
freezer for months while they continued to think of ways
to dispose of it and how to dispose of Shannon's belongings.
Navoa didn't want to dump her in the nearby river
because bodies put their tended to float up. Eventually, Navoa
and Katrina knew they had to get rid of Shannon's
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body and belongings like time was a ticken, right, somebody's
gonna notice that she's missing. They were apparently fans of
the series Breaking Bad, and they talked about how there
was a storyline that was focused on the use of
acid to melt a body and to get rid of evidence.
So Katrina jumped online and, using the screen name Chickenman,
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ordered twelve gallons of sulfuric acid from Walmart. I didn't
know you could get sulfuric acid from Walmart. Yeah, she
used an alias, but when she arrived at the store
to pick up the order, she was told that she
had to show her actual ID before she could complete
the purchase. Katrina did so and took the acid back
to the house that Novoa and Shannon had once shared. However,
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these numb nuts had underestimated the amount of sulfuric acid
that it took in real life to dissolve an entire
adult body. Novoa and Katrina started with the huad, but
they weren't even able to get the head completely dissolved.
They put what was left of Shannon's head back into
the freezer and the rest of her body and they
put their thinking caps on Shannon's family, So you're probably wondering, like,
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what's on Shannon. Yeah, So, her family had been asking
Novoa where she was, and he kept telling them that
Shannon had taken off with another man and gone to Columbus, Ohio.
Then he changed his story and said that when Shannon
and the other man had reached Columbus, that she took
up with yet another man. But that didn't sound like Shannon.
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Her family's feet. Debbie, Shannon's sister, was getting suspicious. It
wasn't unusual for Shannon to take off for a while
without telling her family or friends, but she never missed
a birthday or holiday, and she didn't show up for
Debbie's March birthday or the family's Easter celebration. Debbie sent
Shannon a text about brother AJ and the reply her
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text made her blood run cold. It said, quote, I
don't have a brother end quote And they were tight.
Remember I told you? Yeah? Yeah. So Debbie knew Shannon's car,
dog and cell phone were still at her home, but
Shannon wasn't. She would have never left Molly behind her dog,
and that text about not having a brother just sealed
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the deal for her, and Debbie reported Shannon missing on
June twenty second, twenty seventeen. Police wanted to know about
the people in Shannon's life, and Debbie said that one
of her exes, a man named John, would know Shannon
better than anyone. He said he and Shannon had been
together for a couple of years previously and worked together
in John's roofing business until he was busted on drug
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charges and to prison. John really wanted to start right
back up with Shannon once he was out, but he
found out that she had started dating Novoa. He said
he last saw her on Valentine's Day twenty seventeen. He
was upset that she was with someone else, but still
held out hope that they would find each other. Just
to let you know, this was about four months after
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he was killed that her sister reported her missing. Okay, okay,
So back to John. He said he last saw her
on Valentine's Day twenty seventeen, and that was about ten
days before she was killed. He was upset that she
was with someone else, but still held out hope that
they would find each other again. Police dug deeper into
John's whereabouts at the time of Shannon's disappearance, and they
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determined that he had nothing to do with it at all.
For Novoa and Katrina Leyton, the pressure was on. Navoa
had a friend who lived on Sherwood Avenue in Youngstown
and often had bonfires in his yard. He contacted the
friend and said he had some trash he wanted to
get rid of and asked if he could have another bonfire.
Novoa and another friend spent the evening tossing clothes and
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other items such as papers and even Shannon's hair, into
the fire. Another item thrown into the flames was a
bracelet with the name Shannon and bossed on it. The
fire was huge, so huge, in fact, the fire department
came to investigate and make sure that it wasn't getting
out of hand. Navoa's friend, who had allowed the bonfire,
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was curious as to what Novoa and Katrina had been
pitching into the pit for hours, especially because they both
just kept taking things out of baskets and bins and
burning them all like it was like endless, Oh my gosh.
So the next day the friend went digging in the
ashes to see what he could find. He found the bracelet,
and he put all the ashes from the fire into
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a laundry basket, including the piece of jewelry. The police
eventually recovered the ashes and bracelet later in the investigation.
Katrina had rented a bottom floor apartment and used Shannon's
credit hard to buy a freezer and they moved the
body into that. The landlord was getting suspicious because the
lice was signed, but no one seemed to be moving
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in like the only thing in this apartment was the freezer.
He told the police that he thought something odd was
going on there, and the police got a search warrant.
In a panic, novoa In Katrina knew they had to
move Shannon's body out of the apartment. He called a
friend named Kenny Eschenbah and asked if he could store
a freezer in his basement for a while. He told
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Eschenbah that his electricity had been cut and the freezer
was full of meat that he didn't want to spoil.
Eschanbah agreed, and novoa In a friend brought the freezer
over at night and brought it through the back door
and into the basement. The freezer was at the house
in Campbell, Ohio for a couple of weeks. When Eschenbah's
wife was preparing dinner one evening, she planned to make
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spaghetti but didn't have any ground beef. Not wanting to
go to the store, she thought that maybe some of
the quote unquote meat that no Voa had said was
in the freezer in her basement was ground b for
something that she could use to complete the meal. It
was then that she noticed the freezer had a pad
lock on it. She obviously didn't have the key, but
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my girl pried it open. She wasn't when going to
the Kroger. No, she was like, I'm not making a
trip if I don't have to. That's right. Plus, Shannon,
if you bring freezer over and there's a lock on it, girl.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Get it out of my house, I know, get it out.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
So she prized it open. She lifted the lid, and
she starts moving things around. When she pulled part of
a bag out of the way, she saw what looked
like a human foot, and the foot bore a scorpion tattoo,
one that looked very similar to the one Shannon had
gotten in honor of her astrological sign. Horrified, the Eschenbos
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called nine one one at three forty one pm on
July thirtieth, twenty seventeen, so ken Eschabab told the authorities
that the freezer wasn't they, and that a friend named
Anthony Gonzalez had asked to keep it there because his
electricity was off. So please soon discover that Anthony Gonzalez
was really Arturo Novoa. Liice had already talked with Novoa
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previously when Shannon was reported missing, and they went back
again to talk to him. He denied that the freezer
was his, but police found the exact key that fit
the freezer's padlock in Novoa's pocket.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Dumb ass, there you go.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Yeah. Authorities had done a deep dive into Novoa's pass
and learned that he had been living with Katrina since
about two weeks before Shannon's disappearance. They got a search
warrant for Shannon's former home and found a big meat
leaver stuck in a doorframe. Also found was the owner's
manual for that very same freezer that held the body
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in the Ueshanba's basement, and a body search revealed, like
I told you, the freezer's key in Novoa's pocket. The
esshanboss said that Katrina had been in their home before
with Gonzalez I E. Novoa, and they had heard her
threaten to kill Shannon. It was determined that the Eshen
boss had no idea that they were storing a dismembered body,
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and they were not charged, so shannonsas John popped it
back up again. He had been asking questions of her
friends and that caught the attention of police. John was
friends with a man named Steve Baringer, the man who
had the huge bonfire. Baringer was brought in and said
that Navoa had told him that he was upset that
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Shannon had left him for another man, so he wanted
to burn her stuff that she left behind. The friend
Navoa had brought to the bonfire was none other than
Andrew Herman. The police believed that this circle of friends
was all involved at some point in the murder, dismemberment,
and cover up, and not one of these people stood
up for Shannon. In front of a grand jury, Hermann
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confessed that Novoah contacted him and forced him to help
him dismember Shannon's body and put it in a fifty
five gallon bin. He was also present for the attempt
to dissolve Shannon's head with acid. Hermann said that he
was remorseful for his part but he was afraid that
if he didn't do what Navoa said, he would be killed.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Next.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Novoa received forty eight different charges. Police tried to get
Katrina to tell more of the story, but she kept
protecting Novoa. They did get enough information to execute sixteen
more search warrants and move the case along. Novoa and
Katrina faced the death penalty, so she ended up making
a deal to get the death penalty off the table,
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but neither of them would confess to doing the actual killing.
He was sentenced to time served and released. This angered
Shannon's family, who said they didn't know about eddy court
hearings on Katrina's plea deal. They accused the prosecutors of
violating Marcy's Law, which they said would have required the
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family to be notified of every during or plea negotiation.
In the case, it all ended up not being a
major issue because, unfortunately for her, Katrina liked to stay
in contact with Navoa while he was jailed, and she's
a dumbfuck because she was unaware that all calls in
and out of jail are recorded. She called Navoa thirty
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seven times, and with the information police gained from those calls,
her plea deal was rescinded, and she went right back
to jail. Good people are so stupid, they are Bellinger,
the friend who had the bonfire, cooperated with police and
gave them Shannon's bracelet. When Michelle Ienfeld heard that she
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and her husband Andrew Herman were going to be called
as witnesses, she sent authorities a threatening message. Both were arrested,
with Herman getting fourteen charges and i Hanfeld receiving four counts,
including racketeering, intimidation, and obstruction of justice. Navoa finally pled
guilty too forty three counts, and authorities dismissed the other
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five counts he originally faced, and Katrina pled guilty to
four counts. Novoah received a prison sentence of forty eight
years plus one month, and Katrina was given eighteen years
in prison. I Nfeld was sentenced to two point five
years in prison, and she had already been in jail
for two years, so she just had six months left
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to go on her sentence. Andrew Herman was sentenced to
four counts and got twelve years. Hermann was sentenced on
four counts and received a sentence of twelve years in prison.
Navoa tried to take back his plea argument at one point,
but it was denied. Shannon's dad, Ronnie DePaul, said after
learning that she was murdered that he was dealing with
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it because he had to. He said, quote what I
don't understand is what she could have done to have
these two people do what they did to her. I
only got to bury part of a body. Quote. Police
stop the search for the missing parts of Shannon's body.
Three years after her murder. Debbie visits her sister's grave
often and spray paints pink hearts near her gravestone, since
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pink was Shannon's favorite color. She also took in Molly
as her own and gave her all the love that
she had in her and according to the Facebook page
Justice for Shannon run by Debbie, Molly passed away on
February twenty second of this year. Yeah, little Molly, I know.
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And that's the end of my story.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Wow, that is very bitter and a little sweet. Just
a bit of closure. Yeah, it's very helpful. Not sometimes
it's just not going to happen. And even if it
does happen, maybe it's not what you want, you know,
still so, but it's still.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
A good story.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
I hadn't heard of it, and Ohio's pretty close.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yeah, Ohio is really close. So yeah, I hadn't heard
of this one. It wasn't that long ago. I just
I wonder what happened. He's going back and forth between
these two women and then he just snaps at Shannon
and murders her. Part of me wonders, did Katrina started? Really?
Did Katrina? Was she the one that started? Well?
Speaker 3 (26:13):
I always think that, Yeah, Oh for sure.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
I mean Katrina, she's I don't want to use the
wrong word. She's like a puta. You know, I had
to look it up real quick. I'm like, I think
I might be using this right puta puta. So she
is never going to leave his side. I'm thinking drugs
are involved. I always think some kind of drugs are involved.
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So that's going to change, you know, the rage factor
in anything. He's out of prison, and some people don't
want to be rehabilitated. They just want to get back
out on the street. So yeah, many manufacturers, bad neighborhood,
I think they just I think it got out of hand.
And Katrina is such a low rent puta that she
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was all like, all right, I'll just take whatever hers
was and fucking like you said, are you kidding me?
You you brought in a freezer with a.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Lock, get out, get out out of my house right now.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I'm like, Okay, you're not hoarding me that bad that
you need to fucking lock on it. If I'm your friend,
I trust me, I'm not gonna raid your freezer. They
you're gonna leave a freezer full of meat just in
my house and never come back for it and just
let what the meat get bad? Yeah for years? Yeah,
come on, now, come on now.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
I know, and then you just give up your whole life.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
She's gonna get out in eighteen years or whatever whatever
your time.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I know. I'm just like whatever, man, But it's just
really sad.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
They were all working as a team.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Like it's always sad to hear when someone's not represented
by people who thought they were her friends, right or
their front his friends whatever.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
The Judas betrayal I call it.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
You know where you just thought someone was and then wow,
they're really They couldn't be less fun On the opposite
side a friend, that's the betrayal.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
So I know it's sad, but still good.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Have a great sister that's you know, vigilant you know
has your back whenever you need so those Yeah, well,
thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
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thank you all again for listening, and thank you Shannon,
and until our next episode, all
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Right, girl, till next time, love ya, love yall, bye
bye
This episode ma contain content of a graphic nature, including
descriptions of physical and sexual violence against adults, children, and animals.
Listener discretion is advised. Hi, this is Tanya. Hi, this
(00:37):
is Shannon, and we are Crimes and Consequences, a hardcore
true crime podcast. Hey Shannon, Hey Tanya. How are you?
I'm doing pretty good? How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I'm doing freaking fabulous Liday, Thursday, Today, Thursday.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I have an announcement you.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, I may or may not continue with the podcast
on if I'm going with the route that this is
looking to be. I was playing the lotto online meat
and I woke up to be Winter Winter Chicken dinner dollars.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
I hit right, the power ball was a five.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Nice, that's what I So it looks like the path
is opening now, yes, right, So but I will lottery wins. Yeah,
you know what, you know what I do with the lottery.
I'm going to get a van and then we'll just travel, Tanya.
We then we'll parlay into a travel podcast that we
just visit different crime.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
That would be fabulous. I am there with you, girl.
That is so fun. My husband and child won't mind
if I just go on the road with you like
U for my product. We got to give what the
people want. So here we are. We're here to please.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
What about you, girl, how are you anything on the
horizon for you?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
No? No, just you know, it's been to work week.
I can't wait till the weekend. He has every other
work and stuff in this world. Yeah, just same old shit.
So that is so funny.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
That is so reminiscent of our bingo days in Canada.
Oh so you know, we live in the Detroit metro
area and before nine eleven we would go to Canada
to play bingo.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
All was humongous.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I was a heavy smoker at the time, and wow,
what a bonanza. You could smoke right at the tables
around with hot drinks, you could get daubers. It was
an event. I had taken Tanya, and I'm used to winning.
I go there, I expect when even like a small round,
it's just I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
And Tanya is sitting next to me and she's all
like nah.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Every time, like someone would call bingo and we'd move
on to the next round, and she's like, oh god,
I never went and I had to just my dabber
down and I looked her square in the face, and
I said, I need you to stop with this negativity.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Okay, I can't draw. I'm a winner.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I'm gonna win and I can't if you're always saying
that you're gonna lose, you're too close to me.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
You're giving me bad ju juw. I love it. It did.
I'm sure it was something. Oh we won a few times.
It was so great. Do you remember I do? I
do remember when you told me that. I was like, oh, okay, sorry,
I need.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
You to amp up the positivity. We're in a win
the manifestation energy.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
So I remember. It was a lot of fun. And
that's when I got introduced to gravy fries.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
So they're the best gravy fries.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Oh yeah. But anyway, anyway, must move on to business.
And what story do you have for I have a
horrific story. Of course, they're all terrible. And before I
get started, I just like to remind everyone to hit
the subscriber follow button on whatever app you're listening to,
and I'm going to tell you about the murder of
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Shannon Graves. So Shannon Graves, she came into this world
on November fourth, nineteen eighty eight. So that made for Corbiel.
The dark haired, brown eyed beauty was born in historic Youngstown,
Ohio two Christine Graves and Ronnie de Paul. When she
was about six, Shannon learned that she had a half sister,
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Nick Debbie, and Debbie and Shannon shared a father. Okay,
so the sisters were shocked but excited to learn about
one another, and Shannon also had a little brother, aj
who joined the family. Shannon was immediately smitten with her
little brother, and the sister brother duo shared a very
strong bond for the rest of Shannon's life. Family meant
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everything to Shannon. Debbie, her half sister, says that everyone
would gather often for celebration such as birthdays and holidays,
and they even often had Sunday dinner. She remembers the
first time she met Shannon, which was on Christmas Eve
at the home of Debbie's aunt Joanne. Debbie, who previously
had believed she was an only child, knocked on the
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door and a woman answered, yelling, Shannon, your sister's here.
Shannon ran into Debbie's arms and hugged her tight, and
Debbie remembers thinking that Shannon was full of spunk, calling
her a pitbull. In a chihuahua's body. There was no
half in these relationships. Debbie and aj were simply Shannon's
sister and brother, and she had a strong bond with both,
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especially AJ two. So Northwest Ohio was always home to Shannon,
who lived in either Youngstown, which was a city halfway
between Cleveland and Pittsburgh, or in small towns nearby. Shannon
was described by many of her large group of friends
as a light, always kind and wanting to help others.
She was even known as Star to her friends because
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of the brightness that she exuded. Shannon was just as
likely to london ear or hand to a stranger down
on their luck as she was to help a good friend.
But behind that shine was pain. Shannon had a rough
time growing up and sometimes hung around with a rough crowd.
She lost her mother and all four of her grandparents,
and those passings hit her really hard. Early life events
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left her feeling ungrounded at times, and her bold personality
mixed with emotional upheaval, built a hardened exterior around her
sensitive and beautiful heart. She liked to have a good
time like most young people, but she gravitated toward people
who could be a bit dangerous. And sometimes your friend's
bad habits run off on you. So it should be
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noted that young'stown had a reputation as a hotbed for crime.
In fact, in the nineteen sixties it was known as Murdertown, USA,
and Youngstown's murder rate was double what the rate was
for the whole state of Ohio. Organized crime was involved
in many and afarious activities around the area. So just
let you know this is the environment that Shannon grew
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up in. Shannon was arrested in May two thousand and
nine and charged with two felony drug crimes. Eventually, one
of those charges was dismissed and the other was reduced
to a misdemeanor drug charge. Shannon pled guilty on July thirtieth,
two thousand and nine, and was sentenced to a six
month suspended sentence plus a fine of one hundred dollars.
The next year, on August eighteenth, twenty ten, Shannon was
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arrested again, this time for felony theft. In that case,
she also had a felony reduced to unauthorized use of property,
which was a misdemeanor, and she was sentenced to thirty
days suspended and a two hundred and fifty dollars fine.
Interestingly enough, that wasn't the end of her legal issues.
She maintained that in both arrests, a deputy clerk signed
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and issued her arrest warrants without establishing probable cause, which
is a huge problem wow. She and eight other women
filed a suit against Mahoning County, Ohio, where all of
their arrests were made, with the claims that their sentences
were avoid because of the lack of establishment of probable cause.
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This suit focused on their belief that their arrests violated
the Fourth Amendment, which protects against unreasonable search and seizure.
Their suit was initially dismissed, then appealed, and there was
a lot of legal back and forth with the appeals
court reversing the case, dismissal, and pushing the case back
for resentencing. But ultimately Shannon and one other woman, who
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had pleaded guilty already to at least one charge, had
no change to their outcome because they didn't claim the
lack of probable cause until after they had been convicted.
So her half sister, Debbie, was like a surrogate mom
to her during this tough time, listening when she needed
to talk through problems and giving her advice on how
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to get out of a jam and keep her life
on track. As you might expect, Shannon didn't want to
see the inside of a jail again. She always had
a talent for hair and makeup, so she decided to
go to cosmetology school. Shannon buckled down and earned her
cosmetology certification in twenty sixteen through Raphael's School of Beauty
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in Boardman, Ohio. She was proud of her accomplishment and
she was excited to start her new career. She had
no idea that it would be a short one. However,
her sometimes dubious associations extended to her romantic relationships. Unfortunately,
Shannon's attraction to one of the bad boys you know
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she liked those that her friend had mentioned, ended up
being her undoing. In early twenty sixteen, Shannon met Arturo Novoa,
a known drug dealer with a bad temper. By September
of that year, Navoa had already moved into Shannon's place.
From the very beginning, their relationship was volatile. Shannon was
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small but mighty, standing less than five feet tall and
around one hundred pounds. However, even she didn't fully understand
the depths of Novoa's anger and depravity. Turmoil was a
constant in their relationship, and by December twenty sixteen, Shannon
was done. She kicked Novoa out and he moved in
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with a woman named Katrina Layton, in a move typical
of Shannon and Novoa's romance. He made it just a
week without Shannon before he was moving right back into
her place on Mahoeing Avenue. Katrina Layton was completely obsessed
with Novoa and she was beyond angry that he had
left her to go back to Shannon. She wanted him
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back badly. Shannon and Novoa continued to have the same
problems they had had before she kicked him out. In fact,
the turbulence seemed to increase. On the flip side, Shannon
was enjoying her job and still spending time with her family.
She celebrated Christmas with her family and that was the
last one that they would all have together. Katrina just
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couldn't get over Novoa. He continued his criminal ways, selling
drugs and participating and other illegal activities, but she didn't care.
Her obsession with him and jealousy towards Shannon grew stronger
every day. It isn't clear if he was seeing both
of them at the same time, but he was calling
Shannon his ax as he went back and forth. It
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became a lethal balance of the continued problems with Shannon
and Katrina's constant push for him to stay with her
that set a plan in motion. Finally, Novoa exploded on
February twenty fourth, twenty seventeen. Katrina later said that she
was at the home Novoa and Shannon shared when novoah
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completely lost control, beating Shannon to death in the bathroom
with a hammer. Of course, that sudden decision left the
remaining pair, Katrina and Novoa with a big dilemma. What
were they going to do with Shannon's body? For some reason,
Navoa shaved Shannon's hair off and sent Katrina shop for
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big fifty five gallon bins that they planned to use
to store Shannon's body while they came up with some
sort of plan. Navoa and Katrina tried a couple of
things to hide the gruesome deed. First, they wrapped Shannon
in garbage bags and then stuck her in the trunk
of her own car. They brought her to Katrina's home,
and Navoa reached out to a man named Andrew Herman.
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Herman and his wife, Michelle Iholmfeld, help Navoa dismember Shannon's body.
They put her arms and legs in one of the
bins Katrina had purchased, and used another of the bins
to store Shannon's torso and head. Sometime around the first
week of March twenty seventeen, those bins were taken back
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to Shannon's home on Mahoeing Avenue. By then, Katrina had
moved herself in to that home along with her thirteen
year old and ten year old children, and they were
living there with Novoa. She basically took over Shannon's life,
driving her car, using her credit card cards, and taking
care of Shannon's beloved dog, Molly. Novoa and Katrina continued
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to keep the body at the Mahoing house in a
freezer for months while they continued to think of ways
to dispose of it and how to dispose of Shannon's belongings.
Navoa didn't want to dump her in the nearby river
because bodies put their tended to float up. Eventually, Navoa
and Katrina knew they had to get rid of Shannon's
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body and belongings like time was a ticken, right, somebody's
gonna notice that she's missing. They were apparently fans of
the series Breaking Bad, and they talked about how there
was a storyline that was focused on the use of
acid to melt a body and to get rid of evidence.
So Katrina jumped online and, using the screen name Chickenman,
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ordered twelve gallons of sulfuric acid from Walmart. I didn't
know you could get sulfuric acid from Walmart. Yeah, she
used an alias, but when she arrived at the store
to pick up the order, she was told that she
had to show her actual ID before she could complete
the purchase. Katrina did so and took the acid back
to the house that Novoa and Shannon had once shared. However,
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these numb nuts had underestimated the amount of sulfuric acid
that it took in real life to dissolve an entire
adult body. Novoa and Katrina started with the huad, but
they weren't even able to get the head completely dissolved.
They put what was left of Shannon's head back into
the freezer and the rest of her body and they
put their thinking caps on Shannon's family, So you're probably wondering, like,
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what's on Shannon. Yeah, So, her family had been asking
Novoa where she was, and he kept telling them that
Shannon had taken off with another man and gone to Columbus, Ohio.
Then he changed his story and said that when Shannon
and the other man had reached Columbus, that she took
up with yet another man. But that didn't sound like Shannon.
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Her family's feet. Debbie, Shannon's sister, was getting suspicious. It
wasn't unusual for Shannon to take off for a while
without telling her family or friends, but she never missed
a birthday or holiday, and she didn't show up for
Debbie's March birthday or the family's Easter celebration. Debbie sent
Shannon a text about brother AJ and the reply her
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text made her blood run cold. It said, quote, I
don't have a brother end quote And they were tight.
Remember I told you? Yeah? Yeah. So Debbie knew Shannon's car,
dog and cell phone were still at her home, but
Shannon wasn't. She would have never left Molly behind her dog,
and that text about not having a brother just sealed
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the deal for her, and Debbie reported Shannon missing on
June twenty second, twenty seventeen. Police wanted to know about
the people in Shannon's life, and Debbie said that one
of her exes, a man named John, would know Shannon
better than anyone. He said he and Shannon had been
together for a couple of years previously and worked together
in John's roofing business until he was busted on drug
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charges and to prison. John really wanted to start right
back up with Shannon once he was out, but he
found out that she had started dating Novoa. He said
he last saw her on Valentine's Day twenty seventeen. He
was upset that she was with someone else, but still
held out hope that they would find each other. Just
to let you know, this was about four months after
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he was killed that her sister reported her missing. Okay, okay,
So back to John. He said he last saw her
on Valentine's Day twenty seventeen, and that was about ten
days before she was killed. He was upset that she
was with someone else, but still held out hope that
they would find each other again. Police dug deeper into
John's whereabouts at the time of Shannon's disappearance, and they
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determined that he had nothing to do with it at all.
For Novoa and Katrina Leyton, the pressure was on. Navoa
had a friend who lived on Sherwood Avenue in Youngstown
and often had bonfires in his yard. He contacted the
friend and said he had some trash he wanted to
get rid of and asked if he could have another bonfire.
Novoa and another friend spent the evening tossing clothes and
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other items such as papers and even Shannon's hair, into
the fire. Another item thrown into the flames was a
bracelet with the name Shannon and bossed on it. The
fire was huge, so huge, in fact, the fire department
came to investigate and make sure that it wasn't getting
out of hand. Navoa's friend, who had allowed the bonfire,
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was curious as to what Novoa and Katrina had been
pitching into the pit for hours, especially because they both
just kept taking things out of baskets and bins and
burning them all like it was like endless, Oh my gosh.
So the next day the friend went digging in the
ashes to see what he could find. He found the bracelet,
and he put all the ashes from the fire into
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a laundry basket, including the piece of jewelry. The police
eventually recovered the ashes and bracelet later in the investigation.
Katrina had rented a bottom floor apartment and used Shannon's
credit hard to buy a freezer and they moved the
body into that. The landlord was getting suspicious because the
lice was signed, but no one seemed to be moving
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in like the only thing in this apartment was the freezer.
He told the police that he thought something odd was
going on there, and the police got a search warrant.
In a panic, novoa In Katrina knew they had to
move Shannon's body out of the apartment. He called a
friend named Kenny Eschenbah and asked if he could store
a freezer in his basement for a while. He told
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Eschenbah that his electricity had been cut and the freezer
was full of meat that he didn't want to spoil.
Eschanbah agreed, and novoa In a friend brought the freezer
over at night and brought it through the back door
and into the basement. The freezer was at the house
in Campbell, Ohio for a couple of weeks. When Eschenbah's
wife was preparing dinner one evening, she planned to make
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spaghetti but didn't have any ground beef. Not wanting to
go to the store, she thought that maybe some of
the quote unquote meat that no Voa had said was
in the freezer in her basement was ground b for
something that she could use to complete the meal. It
was then that she noticed the freezer had a pad
lock on it. She obviously didn't have the key, but
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my girl pried it open. She wasn't when going to
the Kroger. No, she was like, I'm not making a
trip if I don't have to. That's right. Plus, Shannon,
if you bring freezer over and there's a lock on it, girl.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Get it out of my house, I know, get it out.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
So she prized it open. She lifted the lid, and
she starts moving things around. When she pulled part of
a bag out of the way, she saw what looked
like a human foot, and the foot bore a scorpion tattoo,
one that looked very similar to the one Shannon had
gotten in honor of her astrological sign. Horrified, the Eschenbos
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called nine one one at three forty one pm on
July thirtieth, twenty seventeen, so ken Eschabab told the authorities
that the freezer wasn't they, and that a friend named
Anthony Gonzalez had asked to keep it there because his
electricity was off. So please soon discover that Anthony Gonzalez
was really Arturo Novoa. Liice had already talked with Novoa
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previously when Shannon was reported missing, and they went back
again to talk to him. He denied that the freezer
was his, but police found the exact key that fit
the freezer's padlock in Novoa's pocket.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Dumb ass, there you go.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Yeah. Authorities had done a deep dive into Novoa's pass
and learned that he had been living with Katrina since
about two weeks before Shannon's disappearance. They got a search
warrant for Shannon's former home and found a big meat
leaver stuck in a doorframe. Also found was the owner's
manual for that very same freezer that held the body
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in the Ueshanba's basement, and a body search revealed, like
I told you, the freezer's key in Novoa's pocket. The
esshanboss said that Katrina had been in their home before
with Gonzalez I E. Novoa, and they had heard her
threaten to kill Shannon. It was determined that the Eshen
boss had no idea that they were storing a dismembered body,
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and they were not charged, so shannonsas John popped it
back up again. He had been asking questions of her
friends and that caught the attention of police. John was
friends with a man named Steve Baringer, the man who
had the huge bonfire. Baringer was brought in and said
that Navoa had told him that he was upset that
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Shannon had left him for another man, so he wanted
to burn her stuff that she left behind. The friend
Navoa had brought to the bonfire was none other than
Andrew Herman. The police believed that this circle of friends
was all involved at some point in the murder, dismemberment,
and cover up, and not one of these people stood
up for Shannon. In front of a grand jury, Hermann
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confessed that Novoah contacted him and forced him to help
him dismember Shannon's body and put it in a fifty
five gallon bin. He was also present for the attempt
to dissolve Shannon's head with acid. Hermann said that he
was remorseful for his part but he was afraid that
if he didn't do what Navoa said, he would be killed.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Next.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Novoa received forty eight different charges. Police tried to get
Katrina to tell more of the story, but she kept
protecting Novoa. They did get enough information to execute sixteen
more search warrants and move the case along. Novoa and
Katrina faced the death penalty, so she ended up making
a deal to get the death penalty off the table,
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but neither of them would confess to doing the actual killing.
He was sentenced to time served and released. This angered
Shannon's family, who said they didn't know about eddy court
hearings on Katrina's plea deal. They accused the prosecutors of
violating Marcy's Law, which they said would have required the
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family to be notified of every during or plea negotiation.
In the case, it all ended up not being a
major issue because, unfortunately for her, Katrina liked to stay
in contact with Navoa while he was jailed, and she's
a dumbfuck because she was unaware that all calls in
and out of jail are recorded. She called Navoa thirty
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seven times, and with the information police gained from those calls,
her plea deal was rescinded, and she went right back
to jail. Good people are so stupid, they are Bellinger,
the friend who had the bonfire, cooperated with police and
gave them Shannon's bracelet. When Michelle Ienfeld heard that she
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and her husband Andrew Herman were going to be called
as witnesses, she sent authorities a threatening message. Both were arrested,
with Herman getting fourteen charges and i Hanfeld receiving four counts,
including racketeering, intimidation, and obstruction of justice. Navoa finally pled
guilty too forty three counts, and authorities dismissed the other
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five counts he originally faced, and Katrina pled guilty to
four counts. Novoah received a prison sentence of forty eight
years plus one month, and Katrina was given eighteen years
in prison. I Nfeld was sentenced to two point five
years in prison, and she had already been in jail
for two years, so she just had six months left
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to go on her sentence. Andrew Herman was sentenced to
four counts and got twelve years. Hermann was sentenced on
four counts and received a sentence of twelve years in prison.
Navoa tried to take back his plea argument at one point,
but it was denied. Shannon's dad, Ronnie DePaul, said after
learning that she was murdered that he was dealing with
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it because he had to. He said, quote what I
don't understand is what she could have done to have
these two people do what they did to her. I
only got to bury part of a body. Quote. Police
stop the search for the missing parts of Shannon's body.
Three years after her murder. Debbie visits her sister's grave
often and spray paints pink hearts near her gravestone, since
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pink was Shannon's favorite color. She also took in Molly
as her own and gave her all the love that
she had in her and according to the Facebook page
Justice for Shannon run by Debbie, Molly passed away on
February twenty second of this year. Yeah, little Molly, I know.
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And that's the end of my story.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Wow, that is very bitter and a little sweet. Just
a bit of closure. Yeah, it's very helpful. Not sometimes
it's just not going to happen. And even if it
does happen, maybe it's not what you want, you know,
still so, but it's still.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
A good story.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
I hadn't heard of it, and Ohio's pretty close.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yeah, Ohio is really close. So yeah, I hadn't heard
of this one. It wasn't that long ago. I just
I wonder what happened. He's going back and forth between
these two women and then he just snaps at Shannon
and murders her. Part of me wonders, did Katrina started? Really?
Did Katrina? Was she the one that started? Well?
Speaker 3 (26:13):
I always think that, Yeah, Oh for sure.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
I mean Katrina, she's I don't want to use the
wrong word. She's like a puta. You know, I had
to look it up real quick. I'm like, I think
I might be using this right puta puta. So she
is never going to leave his side. I'm thinking drugs
are involved. I always think some kind of drugs are involved.
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So that's going to change, you know, the rage factor
in anything. He's out of prison, and some people don't
want to be rehabilitated. They just want to get back
out on the street. So yeah, many manufacturers, bad neighborhood,
I think they just I think it got out of hand.
And Katrina is such a low rent puta that she
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was all like, all right, I'll just take whatever hers
was and fucking like you said, are you kidding me?
You you brought in a freezer with a.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Lock, get out, get out out of my house right now.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I'm like, Okay, you're not hoarding me that bad that
you need to fucking lock on it. If I'm your friend,
I trust me, I'm not gonna raid your freezer. They
you're gonna leave a freezer full of meat just in
my house and never come back for it and just
let what the meat get bad? Yeah for years? Yeah,
come on, now, come on now.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
I know, and then you just give up your whole life.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
She's gonna get out in eighteen years or whatever whatever
your time.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I know. I'm just like whatever, man, But it's just
really sad.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
They were all working as a team.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Like it's always sad to hear when someone's not represented
by people who thought they were her friends, right or
their front his friends whatever.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
The Judas betrayal I call it.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
You know where you just thought someone was and then wow,
they're really They couldn't be less fun On the opposite
side a friend, that's the betrayal.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
So I know it's sad, but still good.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Have a great sister that's you know, vigilant you know
has your back whenever you need so those Yeah, well,
thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
You're welcome, Shannon, and thank you everyone for listening to
this week's episode. If you get done so already, please
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more episodes, Shannon and I have a Patreon that you
can get one extra episode a week and that is
found at patreon dot com slash tnt crimes, or you
(28:40):
can subscribe through the Apple podcast app and you'll get
them that way too. We have a website and it
is Crimesanconsequences dot com. You can find information there. Shannon
and I are working on some new T shirts so
there's merch and working on some new designs. Think well,
(29:01):
thank you all again for listening, and thank you Shannon,
and until our next episode, all
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Right, girl, till next time, love ya, love yall, bye
bye
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