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October 29, 2025 33 mins
It started as just another night in Manhattan — a birthday party, a few drinks, the blur of city lights against the windows of a luxury high-rise on East 59th Street. The kind of place where people go to forget their real lives for a few hours… or to pretend they’re someone else entirely.But by the next morning, one of those party guests would be missing. His friends would start to worry. His phone would go silent. And the story that would unfold — piece by piece, across New York’s most exclusive neighborhoods and into the city’s darkest corners — would leave detectives and the public asking the same chilling question: How does a night of celebration end in horror?

SOURCES:
1) Rosanna Scotto’s son says ‘jeweler to the stars’ suspect confessed to murder
2) Judge issues protective order in Stamford man’s murder case
3) Murder at Sutton Place
4) ‘Unbelievable Violence': Third Suspect in Brutal Murder of 26-Year-Old Hofstra Graduate Pleads Guilty
5) Westhill High School (Connecticut)
6) Joseph Comunale Obituary
7) Friends of Connecticut man missing in NYC use social media to track his final steps
8) Medical examiner: Stab wounds caused death of Stamford man
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
This episode MA contained content of a graphic nature, including
descriptions of physical and sexual violence against adults, children, and animals.
Listener discretion is advised. Hi, this is Tanya. Hi, this

(00:37):
is Shannon, and we are Crimes and Consequences, a hardcore
true crime podcast. Hey Shannon, Hey Tanya, how are you?
I am doing pretty good? Pretty good my standard response
every week when the other Tanya voices.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Are like you, limb, yeah, you know, we're under great
amount of stress.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
It is mid October, Christmas will be here any day now.
Because I feel that this year went by so quickly
and that it's already the middle of October, and yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Just you know, this has been the week I have
I think, enjoyed my back deck the most. You know,
when Levi was born in May, we were just wanting
to sleep, me and my daughter, you know, just taking turns.
Couldn't really enjoy the weather other than keeping the air
on in the house, and who really likes that all

(01:36):
the time. But today, you know, because I like to
enjoy a little herb on the back porch, on the
back deck, and I have been these past couple of days,
like the nice cool breeze I got my bell bottom
sweats on. I'm just I'm feeling bohemian.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
In the suburbs of Michigan. Oh. Yes, so it's.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Been pretty lovely and you're getting ready to go to
the big fl Florida.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, fel Florida, Florida. In a couple of weeks, I
leave to go to Florida. I'm excited. I've been checking
the weather because it's hot as fuck all the time
in flores And are you going to go to Jupiter again?
Did you go last time? Did Hollywood? Oh? Okay, that's right, Yeah,

(02:26):
I had in Hollywood. Hollywood would So it's southern Florida,
so it's I'm imagining it's even hotter than northern Florida. Filtering, yes,
because when we went to a few years ago, my
husband and I and around the same time because our
anniversaries at the beginning of November, so we went around

(02:47):
the same time, and I just remember it was just
it's fucking sweltering there. Really. Yeah, I was so nice here.
I mean, you know, right, right, and guess what you
consider nice? But yeah, so I'm excited. I can't wait
to go. And I have not taken a vacation with
him in a few years because I can't get him
to go on a vacation. You're going to get into

(03:08):
Italy one day. I bet one day I'm going. You know,
we'll probably be seventy years old. But it's okay, we're here.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Well, what you got for us this week?

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Well, I have a really interesting story this week. And
before I get into it, I just like to remind
everyone to hit subscribe or follow on whatever app you're
listening to. Our story takes place on the morning of
November twelfth, twenty sixteen. On that day, twenty six year
old Joey Comminale wasn't feeling that well. He was probably

(03:41):
coming down with a typical seasonal It's November, little cold,
something's going on. Yeah. Although most Saturdays Joey went to
New York City for a night of drinking and fun,
he wasn't sure if he was going to make it
that night. After a three hour nap and some convincing,
he changed his mind. I mean new York City for
a twenty six year old, Hell yeah. I eat One

(04:05):
of Joey's friends from college, Pretham. He was a part
time promoter in New York City, so he was able
to hook up their group of friends with tables and
bottle service at different clubs. On this night, Pritham was
getting the squad the VIP treatment at a club called
the Gilded Lily in the Meatpacking District. Now, at twenty

(04:28):
six years old, Joey had started creating a solid foundation
for the life that he was building for himself. While
he grew up in Stanford, Connecticut, Joey had since moved
out of his parents' home and into a townhouse of
his own, about three miles from his childhood home. Joey
came from the typical Italian family, strong ties, rich culture,

(04:50):
and a love of being together. Even though Joey now
lived on his own, he was always at his parents'
house visiting. And this sounds exactly like my husband, A.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Good son, a wonderful and it does not like guess
your husband very much.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
If he didn't have something going on with friends or work,
he was there, especially for a meal. I mean, you know,
thank you all over it. Growing up, family was everything
for the common Allis. Patsy and Lisa absolutely adored their
two children, Alexa and Joey. Although they now lived in Connecticut.
Father Patsy was a bronx boy at heart, Patsy founded

(05:29):
a security firm that ended up being very successful. He
actually sold it for four hundred million dollars. WHOA, Yeah,
the Commonali family was well off. Joey loved going to
the city, not just for the nightlife and food, but
for the sports too. He would attend Giants, Yankees, and
Knicks games regularly, often with his father. Joey and Patsy

(05:52):
had a unique father son bond. They both truly respected
and admired each other. Both Joey and Alexa attended west
Hill High School in Stamford. West Hill was one of
the large high schools in the area and was well
known for being good at sports and having rivalries with
other schools. Little fun fact about west Hill the CEO

(06:15):
of Nike from twenty twelve to twenty twenty, Mark Parker,
he went to high school there. Also the Governor of
Connecticut from twenty eleven to twenty nineteen, Dan al Mallory.
He attended West Hill. So it's churning out some pretty
successful people. Sounds like it. Joey played varsity baseball on

(06:36):
his high school team, and they won the state championship
While he was on the team. He also played hockey
which was his true passion. After graduation, Joey continued to flourish.
He went on to attend Hofstra University, where he received
a degree in legal studies and business. Hofstra is a
very small private college located on Long Island. They're typically

(07:00):
only about eleven thousand students. During his time at Hofstra,
Joey played on both the hockey and baseball teams. He
was also part of a fraternity, and this is where
Joey met his lifelong friends. Joey had a high impact
on the community there. He was very involved on campus
and according to literally all accounts, the world was a

(07:21):
better place because he was in it. So Joey was convinced,
and he and his friend Stephen hopped on the Merritt
Parkway and headed down to New York City to meet
up with some friends at the Gilded Lily on the
night of November twelfth. After a night of partying and
getting the VIP treatment, the club started to shut down
around three point thirty in the morning. This particular weekend,

(07:45):
New York City was especially charged up and feeling hot.
Just four days prior, Donald Trump was elected into office,
and people in New York City had been flocking to
Trump Tower for days to protest. As people are exiting
Gilded Lily, a fight broke out at the entrance, and
Joey and his friends all started to move across the street.
They gathered there for a cigarette and to watch things unfold.

(08:08):
While standing there, Stephen noticed that Joey was chatting up
three girls from New Jersey. Stephen recalled that Joey was
given him that look that told him he was interested
and wanted to keep hanging out with these girls. The
five of them were now forming a group and starting
to chat when two other guys decided to join them.
No one knew each other. Everyone was strangers except for

(08:30):
the people they joined the group with. At this point,
Steven needed to borrow Joey's phone to make a call,
so he stepped away from the conversation, turning his back
to them. By this time Stephen turned around, the group
was gone, so here stood Stephen holding Joey's phone. Now
alone on the street, Stephen discovered that Joey was on

(08:50):
his way to an apartment party downtown. Instead of tracking
him down, Steven decided to call it a night and
figured he would just give Joey his phone At some
point tomorrow. Stephen knew that at the mention of girls
a punthouse and some guy's dad being a jeweler, Joey
would be all over it, so he wasn't worried. By
late afternoon on Sunday, Joey's parents were starting to get worried.

(09:14):
It was very unlike Joey to miss family plans, especially
on a Sunday when it involved football and a family dinner.
Oh my gosh, right right, those are very serious. I
mean in a funny way, but also yeah, I'd be
very concerned. Mm hmm, Joey's had. Patsy decided to call
Joey's cell phone after he missed a dinner time and

(09:36):
Steven answered. Stephen hadn't heard from Joey at all that
day and was still holding onto his phone from the
night before. Patsy knew something bad had happened, and he
and Stephen got to work tracking down Joey. The first
thing that Patsy did was go to Joey's apartment, and
he wasn't there. Stephen reached out to Pritham, who was
able to get the phone number of one of the

(09:57):
guys that Joey and Steven met on the street night before.
This dude was twenty seven year old Larry Deloney. When
Pretham called him, Larry said he had no idea where
Joey went. This led Joey's close friends to become internets
loose themselves. Joey's very best friend, Max Branchanelli, wasted no time.

(10:19):
Like a good Internet sleuth, he used Larry's phone number
to find his Instagram account that was linked to that number.
After finding Larry's ig account, he used location services to
check other people who took pictures in and around the
Gilded Lily that night. He came through countless photos until
he finally found someone he recognized, a mutual friend named Alvin.

(10:43):
In the photo, Alvin is cozing up to a beautiful
girl with dark features, just like Joey's type outside the
Gilded Lily. Max knew the type of girls that Joey chased,
and he knew Joey met three girls last night, so
he immediately reached out to Alvin, wondering if he knew anything.
Stephen hit the jackpot. That girl pictured with Alvin went

(11:04):
to the same party as Joey, and Alvin had her
phone number. Immediately, Stephen called the woman, and she remembered
hanging out with Joey the night before. This girl said
that after the Gilded Lily, her and a few others
went to Jimmy's apartment to continue partying. The group of
people were drinking, snorting cocaine, playing games, and talking politics.

(11:26):
The girl didn't remember there being any hostility at all,
especially towards Joey, because he spent most of the night
chilling on a window sill, enjoying the view and observing
the group. The woman said that in the early morning hours,
Joey and another man, Larry, walked the girls out of
the building into their uber. She recalled that both the

(11:47):
men waved to them and then turned around to walk
back inside. When Stephen called Larry, Larry said that Joey
left in the uber with the girls. Joey was seen
on surveillance footage entering an apartment building with one the
men and the three women he left the club with.
A Short while later, the five of them are seen
on footage leaving the building. Then, at six point fifty am,

(12:10):
Joey is seen returning to the building with only the
unknown man, no girls this time. After this, Joey goes
dark someone was obviously lying, and the pit in Max's
stomach was continuing to grow. It really felt like something
horrible happened that night, he dug deeper. People who knew

(12:30):
Larry said that he was typically a pretty shy guy
unless he had a few drinks in him. Stephen knew
Larry was drinking quite a bit that night, and he
found out that Larry and basically everyone else had been
doing cocaine. One of the girls who were in the
car with the boys going back to Jimmy's apartment for
the party, actually took a picture of Larry and texted
it to her friend with his name in the last

(12:52):
four digits of his social Security number, just in case
the whom we give each other our locations, right wow? Yeah. Now.
It was later reported that the girls just did this
all in good fun, and they actually liked Larry and
described him as really kind and friendly. So back to

(13:14):
Max's investigation. From all accounts, when they arrived at Jimmy's,
he answered the door in jeans and he was shirtless.
The after attenders noticed that Jimmy took every chance he
could to mention his wealthy father, who was a jeweler
for the rich and famous. So I'm gonna tell you
a little bit about the other people who were at

(13:34):
this party. Larry was friends with Jimmy and that's how
everyone ended up there. Larry brought his childhood best friend
and current roommate, Max Gemma with him. This is a
different Max. So Joey had a friend, Max Branchadelli, and
now Larry has a friend, Max Gemma. So I'm gonna
call Max Gemma Gemma. Okay, okay. There are two girls

(13:58):
that came to the after party were friends with each other,
but strangers to Jabba and Larry, and Joey was a
stranger to all of them. Even though Max, Joey's friend,
had already talked to Larry to try to get more
details about where Joey went, Patsy, Joey's dad, decided to
call him himself a second time, and there was something

(14:22):
Larry said that didn't quite sit right with Patsy. Larry
said that the last he saw Joey, he was going
to get cigarettes. Patsy knew that Joey didn't smoke. You
could ask anyone who knew Joey and they would say
he's never bought a pack of cigarettes in his life.
At this point, Patsy decided that it was time to

(14:43):
go to the Stamford Police Department and report his son missing.
He gave the on duty officer Larry's phone number, and
the police called him. Larry told them basically the same
thing that he didn't know where Joey was, but the
other two guys at the party were Jimmy Racho and
Max Gemma. He also gave the police Jimmy's address, and

(15:05):
the building that Jimmy lived in was called Grand Sutton.
The Grand Sutton Building was notorious for being a luxurious
condo complex in the heart of one of the richest
areas of New York City, the Upper east Side. So
who the hell is Jimmy Larry and Max Gemma? Grand
Sutton is not a place where you'd think there would

(15:26):
be any trouble. Larry was a twenty eight year old
from Oceanport, New Jersey. Larry grew up in an affluent family.
His family actually raised and owned Thoroughbred horses. WHOA, that's
a rich yes, how do you do yeah? In twenty sixteen,
Larry was working in real estate and living in Jersey

(15:48):
City with Max Gemma as his roommate. Larry had a
record with the police, most of which were disorderly person
charges for drunken bar fights along the Jersey Shore. Larry
was drawn to Jimmy because, like Jimmy, Larry had trust
fund babies, spending money, and he liked shiny things. Max

(16:09):
Gemma also came from an affluent family in Oceanport, New Jersey.
Gemma's dad was actually the mayor of Oceanport, and then
he was a high level businessman doing business with families
like the Kushner's, who Ivanka Trump was married to Kushner.
In twenty sixteen, Gemma was living with Larry and Jersey City,

(16:31):
and he worked as a computer software salesman. Jimmy's pass
was a bit more jaded than Larry's in Jemma's. Jimmy
was born in March of ninety one to a single
mother in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Growing up, Jimmy struggled with
getting in with the wrong crowd and making stupid decisions,
sometimes dangerous. Jimmy's mother, Aaron, would talk about how not

(16:54):
having a stable father figure in his life was something
that deeply affected Jimmy as he grew up. He held
a long rap sheet in Florida. Between the years of
two thousand and seven to twenty eleven, Jimmy was arrested
more than eight times. He was arrested for trespassing, drug possession,
armed robbery, burglary, and even cutting off his own ankle

(17:17):
monitor during house arrest and spending a month on the run.
At the age of twenty one, Jimmy wanted a fresh start,
so he decided to pack up, leave his past behind,
and move to New York City. This move would change
everything for him now Apparently. A few years before Jimmy
moved to New York City, he met a man named

(17:39):
Jeffrey Rackover in Florida. Jeffrey, who was nearly thirty years
Jimmy's senior, was a very successful jeweler. Some of his
notable clients included Milania Trump, Jennifer Lopez, and Alton John.
Jeffrey and Jimmy became really close after a meeting and
eventually formed a more intimate relationship. When in twenty fifteen,

(18:03):
Jimmy changed his last name from Bedwin to Rackover, rumors
swirled in the New York City social circles that Jimmy
and Jeffrey had a romantic relationship, but the par insisted
that it was just like a father's son bond. Yeah, okay, Liberachi,
that's who I think of when we're just see I'm

(18:26):
a mentor. Yeah, I'm a mentor. Jimmy would often refer
to Jeffrey as his long lost father, and being Jeffrey's
so called son came with it many benefits. First, Jeffrey
got Jimmy an apartment in the Grand Sutton Building, and
he paid for it. He also got Jimmy a job
working as an insurance broker specializing in jewelry and fine art.

(18:51):
Jimmy Ubert around New York City, had an Equinox membership,
drank and dined at the finest restaurants in bars, and
wore custom tailored suits from Seville Row. He was truly
living that New York City socialite lifestyle and Jeffrey was
bankrolling it. Uh huh. Because I was just thinking how dB.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
In their bedroom Blay would be.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
The role playing. Yeah, I'm like, I'm gonna be a
little dubious of this father son shit, but anyway, I'm
totally dubious.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
I Mean, my mind went everywhere from diaper wearing to
I don't even know but.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
It is not kink shaming. But we're totally not kink
shaming police. Yeah, I'm just saying yeah, maybe because I
can I hear kink. Yeah, something's going on here, speak
a little kink, but neither here nor there. After filing
the missing person report with the Sanford Police, Patsy felt

(19:51):
it was important to file another with the New York
City Police Department as well. Now, Monday morning, it had
been over twenty five hours since the last time Joey
was seen alive. When Patsy arrived at the NYPD seventeenth Precinct,
he met Detective Castro, and he told him every single
thing that he knew already about his missing son. Immediately,

(20:15):
Detective Castro suggested to Patsy that they should drive over
to Grand Sutton right then and there, and they did.
When they got to Grand Sutton, Detective Castro spoke with
the building security and got access to the surveillance footage
from Saturday night into Sunday morning, and that's when they
see him, Joey and another man who we now know

(20:35):
is Larry walking the girls out to an uber before
turning around and heading back inside together. Patsy was sick
to his stomach and stepped out of the building to
make a few calls and get some air. As soon
as he stepped outside, the garbage truck pulled up, and
Patsy literally ran back into the building and begged police
to stop the truck from taking away any garbage from

(20:57):
Grandsutton that morning. He just had a gut feel that
something horrible happened to his son under the Grand Sutton roof,
and sadly he was right. Relatively quickly, police found trash
bags that contained Joey's bloody pants and shirt, his driver's license,
and a special chain that his father had gifted him
that he always wore. Oh my gosh. At that moment,

(21:20):
Patsy knew that his son did not walk out of
the Grand Sutton alive on Sunday morning. This case quickly
turned from missing person to a homicide case. Knowing that Larry,
Gemma and Jimmy were the last three people to see
Joey alive, police used their movements after Joey was last
seen to try and figure out what happened on Sunday night.

(21:42):
Jimmy is seen on Grand Sutton surveillance footage leaving the
property in his father's Mercedes Benz. Police entered license plate
number into a search on NYPD's traffic and street cameras,
and boom, they were able to follow Jimmy's movements from
Grand Sutton down f D hour Drive, then south around

(22:02):
southern Manhattan, then jumped into the Holland Tunnel that would
spit him out somewhere in New Jersey. After the car
goes into the Holland Tunnel, they lose it, but this
was still an amazing lead. They just cad, yeah, right,
They just needed someone to crack, and then someone was Larry.
It was obvious to investigators that Larry was anxious. He

(22:25):
agreed to come to them later that week, and the
police just felt like he wanted to tell them something.
Police told Larry, hey, we've got a missing kid here
and his family's really worried. Anything at all that you
can remember is helpful. That was enough for Larry, and
he started telling the story of what happened that night.
From the top. Larry said that once the group got

(22:45):
back to Jimmy's apartment, everything was fun. At first. Larry
talked about how he and Jimmy had a competition to
see who could give the best lap dance everyone was drinking,
smoking cigarettes, and doing various amounts of cocaine. All this
was corroborated by video evidence that one of the girls
had taken on her phone from that night. It wasn't

(23:06):
until after the girl's left at around six forty five
am on Sunday morning that things went south. According to Larry,
once he and Joey got back inside Jimmy's apartment, they
started getting into a disagreement. Larry said that Joey said
something along the lines of how Jimmy got the coke,
he brought cigarettes and Larry brought nothing to the party.

(23:28):
Larry recalled that Joey was actually pissed and that he
had slammed his hand down on the coffee table when
he said the comment. Larry snapped and immediately tackled Joey
to the ground in Jimmy's living room, Larry said that
he was on top of Joey and he was just swinging.
Larry said that Jimmy was an avid boxer, the pair
often boxed together, and that he jumped in with Larry.

(23:51):
The beating turned fatal as both Larry and Jimmy continued
to beat Joey even though he was unconscious and gurgling
on the floor. According to Larry, Gemma was asleep on
the couch the entire time. Once Gemma woke up and
saw Larry and Jimmy beating Joey's lifeless body, Larry told
police that he instructed Gemma to leave immediately and tell

(24:14):
no one. Apparently, Gemma waking up terrified him, and Larry
was now scared of the situation they were in. Gemma
did leave, but things only got worse from there. Larry
said that Jimmy then started stabbing Joey's lifeless body. After
stabbing Joey to death, Jimmy apparently dragged Joey's body into

(24:35):
the bathroom and into the tub. What Jimmy attempted next
was just absolutely horrible. Larry told police that Jimmy then
attempted to dismember Joey's body. Now, if you know anything
about true crime, you may know that dismemberment is not easy.
Jimmy tried to use a serrated knife for this, which
is basically a kitchen knife. Realizing that their plan was shit,

(24:57):
Larry and Jimmy started to frantically clean apartment. They used
bleach on most of the apartment to mop up Joey's blood.
When they're cleaning up, some of Joey's family and friends
had gotten Larry's number and they were calling him to
ask the last time he saw Joey. He was literally
lying to them, even to Joey's father, while Joey's dead

(25:18):
body sat in the room next to him. Naturally, Larry
and Jimmy got hungry during the clean up period and
had food delivered to the residents on Monday. I don't
know what about killing someone and mopping up makes hungry.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
But okay, oh my gosh, let's door dash. Yeah, let's
just I don't know that thing either.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
I know. Now that Jimmy had failed at dismembering Joey's body,
the men had to come up with another idea to
get him out of the building. Grand Sutton security footage
shows them going into the basement of the building to
see if there were any exits they could use down there.
Since there were none, they had to come up with

(25:59):
another plan. Night was now approaching, so Jimmy and Larry
had an advantage with the darkness. At this point, the
men had wrapped Joey's body in a comforter and Larry
brought it to the ledge of a window in the apartment.
While Larry moved Joey, Jimmy went down and moved his
Mercedes buns that Jeffrey gave him into a position under

(26:21):
the window. Once Jimmy gave Larry the sign, Larry pushed
Joey's body out of the window and down the four
floors to the bushes and pavement outside. Hidden in the
darkness of night, Larry and Jimmy stuffed Joy's body into
the trunk of the car and took off. They drove
about sixty miles outside of Manhattan to Oceanport, New Jersey,

(26:44):
where Larry is from, and found a wooded area near
a flower shop. There, they dug a hole and dumped
Joy's body inside it before attempting to cover him up
with dirt, And actually before covering Joey with dirt, Jimmy
took a gasoline can and covered Joey's body, attempting to
light him on fire. So that was Larry's account of

(27:06):
what happened on Saturday night into Sunday morning. After he
made this confession, police raced to Oceanport and found Joey's
body in a wooded area near a local flower shop
in a shallow hole, just like Larry had said. Detective Castro,
the officer that Patsy talked to back in New York City,
went straight to the Kammanali residents to deliver the heartbreaking news.

(27:30):
When Patsy heard Detective Castro's door shut in their driveway,
he just knew. The autopsy report revealed that it was
a brutal attack. Joey suffered over fourteen stab wounds to
his chest, as well as multiple abrasions on his face.
Although Larry and Jimmy had beaten Joey to a pulp,
it was the stab wounds that killed them. Yeah. Terrible.

(27:54):
Also on his body were wounds that were consistent with
the attempted dismemberment. One of the wounds on his right
arm went all the way down to the bone. Joey
suffered homorrhaging in his face around his nose, eyes, and forehead.
His nose was broken, and he had several fractures to
his skull along with broken ribs. Later in court, Jimmy

(28:14):
would also confess that he slit Joey's throat. As you
can imagine, James Rackover and Lawrence Deloney were arrested and
charged with second degree murder. That's Jimmy and Larry. Max
Gemma was also arrested, but not for murder. Max Gemma
was arrested for hindering prosecution and tampering with physical evidence.

(28:39):
Jeffrey rackover Jimmy's quote unquote feather, was also the star
of a lawsuit filed by Patsy that he actually helped
in the cover up. Surveillance footage from the Grand Sutton
shows Jeffrey going down to Jimmy's apartment on Sunday afternoon
and he brought paper, towel rolls and other cleaning supplies
with him. And for context, Jeffrey lived in one of

(29:01):
the punhouses at the Grand Sutton and Jimmy lived on
the fourth floor. Patsy made it clear that this lawsuit
was not about the money. Patsy had actually just sold
his security company for two hundred and forty million, so
he didn't need the money. No, this was about justice
for his son. It's nearly impossible online to find out

(29:22):
if Jeffrey was found guilty in that lawsuit, but Jimmy, Larry,
and Max Gumma were all convicted. Jimmy was convicted of
murder and sentenced to twenty eight and two thirds years
in prison. Larry was convicted of manslaughter and sentenced to
twenty three years. Max Gumma was the last to see
his dan court and he was sentenced to only six

(29:43):
months in jail for his involvement in the murder. He
served only four months and was released after that. This
murder showcased the dark side of social life in New
York City. What Joey's family will never have is actual answers.
It seems that their son brother if you and friend,
was just with the wrong crowd at the wrong time.

(30:05):
And that's fun story, heartbreaking, it really is.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
It truly is the perfect example of wrong place, wrong time,
wrong people.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
You just need to buy yourself.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Well, I guess maybe because I'm not maybe it's different
for men. I'm not trying to say, like a woman
can't just go in and seems like it's just not
a good idea to go alone to someone's apartment without
a friend somebody.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Right, I know. And he didn't even have his phone.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, and there's now he's twenty sixteen, so everyone's using
their phones.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
You know.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
It's pretty it's pretty important. But I don't even think
I could leave, I'd be like hold on, hold on
back half my phone.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
I think I can't be like wait.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
But you know, when a party's happening, you know you're
not thinking this.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
You're young, and you know when you're young too, you
think you're invincible. And how exciting New York King.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
We're going to an apartment party now in the Upper
East Side, and this beautiful place I'm going.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
I don't think anything bad's gonna happen to you where
all the rich people live, right right. I mean seriously,
you know, you think only bad things happen, and you know,
the ghetto or something, but it happens everywhere everywhere. You
think you're safe, but you're not.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
And oh, that was such a good story. I had
know how it's very heartbreaking, truly too for his parents.
And there is like that rich family culture and Italian
families as you know, so that's just oh.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
I know they were I saw a news story where
it was after one of the convictions where Patsy and
Joy's mom are interviewed in the hallway. It's just they're
and they're just talking about like how close their family
is and how heartbreaking it is. And I know there's
a lot of obviously murder victims out there who have

(31:56):
close family, but it's just so painful to actually see
parents going through it.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
And thank God for his dad Patsy for just on
it going. We're gonna go to the city and we're
gonna and then just knowing you find this, I mean,
talk about synchronicity and timing.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
It's yes, some garbage trucks.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah, oh my gosh, that was like absolutely because that
would be something that would happen. It's going and it's
New York, so goodbye, you'll never find it.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Yeah, you'll never find it once it gets to the dump.
Good luck with that. Oh my goodness, thank you so much.
That was so good, such a good story. You're welcome,
and I'm you know, my heart goes out the toy
Manali family, so most certainly anyway, Well, thank you all
for listening. Before we go, don't forget to hit the
subscribe or follow button. You can visit our website at

(32:49):
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or you can subscribe on the Apple podcast app, and
for a little fee you can get some extra episodes
a month. And I think that's everything. Sounds like everything,

(33:11):
all right, girl, until our next episode, Yes, until next time.
Love you, love you all, see bye bye
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