Crossing Faiths

Crossing Faiths

Two friends, Matt Hawkins (a former policy director for the Southern Baptist Convention) and John Pinna (former Executive Director of American Islamic Congress) talk religion and politics. The podcast delivers weekly episodes featuring commentary on news, politics, multifaith experiences, and expert guests. The conversations build on a decade of their collaboration, advocating in Washington, D.C. for religious freedom domestically and around the globe. The two developed the podcast with a desire to share conversations that model friendship and collaboration despite deep differences in religion and background. Support our podcast via Patreon.


October 1, 2023 69 mins
A Christian and a Muslim talk religion & politics. In this episode, we discuss transubstantiation, internal factions within Christianity and the question of primacy. Support this podcast via Patreon (
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In this episode, John Pina and Elliot Toman discuss the nuances of cultural integration for Muslims in the Western World. Support this podcast via Patreon (
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September 9, 2023 57 mins
In this episode, John Pina, a Muslim and Elliot Toman, a Christian, put on their apologetic hats in a wide-ranging discussion that touches on multiple contentious points between their mutual faith traditions. Chapters: 00:00 Mutual Acceptance 08:10 Cognitive Dissonace 13:00 What is a Muslim, and who gets to say? 20:30 Textual Integrity 35:00 The Two Branches of Islam 43:20 Catholic Converts to Evangelicalism 50:40 The Problem of Au...
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August 29, 2023 57 mins
Chapters: 01:00 What we don't know. 02:18 Parfait me. 07:55 Are you as religious as you think you are? 14:15 The blurred lines between religion and politics. 22:24 The religious veneer of Conservatism. 27:00 The rise of radical Islam. 42:00 Parallels between Christian and Islamic conservatism. 44:30 The Jesus Movement. 54:20 The freedom to believe. Support this podcast via Patreon (
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August 25, 2023 66 mins
John Pina and Elliot Toman compare Evangelical Christian and Muslim ideas of The Rapture with a little help from Charlton Heston and Nicholas Cage's left behind. Forays into religious exclusivism, religiously motivated violence, martyrdom and charity. Chapters: 00:00 Intro 02:30 Khartoum 08:00 Left Behind 18:20 The Rapture 23:30 Fundamentalism 29:00 Who's In? Who's Out? 37:00 Religious Violence 52:30 Muslims Aiding the Christian Mi...
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August 16, 2023 74 mins
John Pina and Elliot Toman discuss issues of faith and certainty in the context of Islam and Charismatic Evangelical Christianity. 00:00 Introduction 03:30 How We Met 06:30 Team Jesus 10:25 Invoking The Holy Ghost 18:00 This is The Way 24:00 Charismatic Christianity 30:00 Prayer Circle in the White House 40:00 The Problem of Authority 49:30 Beyond the Law 56:00 The Search for Certainty
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John interviews Tim Bupp, a pastor of two local Evangelical Lutheran congregations. Support this podcast via Patreon (
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October 4, 2022 49 mins
Matt chats a bit about his parents experience in Fort Myers, FL following Hurrican Ian. John talks about what life is like for religious minorities in Iran.
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September 27, 2022 61 mins
This week, John and Matt discuss a survey suggesting that a growing number of Evangelicals no longer strictly hold to basic Evangelical doctrines. This leads them to ask—what is an Evangelical anyway, and how is the definition of "Evangelical" being shifted by the growth of Christian Nationalism? Episode Highlights: 12:45 - Basic Evangelical belief problem 23:00 The growth of Christian Nationalism 26:30 Islamic isolation after Sep...
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Matt and John chat about the Queen's funeral, a quick Ukraine update, and the ramifications of a fading Christian America. mh
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John tells of his experience in Austria handling the legendary Spear of Destiny and the conversation just unravels from there...
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August 10, 2022 44 mins
John and Matt discuss the post-Roe abortion vote in Kansas and its implications for the political climate. Also, what Islam smells like, and Naziing as a verb. Support this podcast via Patreon (
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August 9, 2022 35 mins
Matt catches up with John to discuss their experiences with the IRF (International Religious Freedom) summit. John joins on location from Vienna, Austria, where he is gathering intel on advanced stew and pastry technology. Support this podcast via Patreon (
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July 31, 2022 33 mins
John Pinna visited the International Religious Freedom summit in Washington DC, where he interviewed Fr. John Anderson. Fr. John is an Orthodox priest in the Antiochian Archdiocese. Support this podcast via Patreon ( Special Guest: Father John Anderson.
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July 30, 2022 25 mins
John Pinna visited the International Religious Freedom summit in Washington DC, where he interviewed Greg Mitchell ( Greg has been in national politics and government since 1991. In search of a higher purpose, Greg decided to focus on government reform and improving public policy, and in the late summer of 2003 founded The Mitchell Firm. The Mitchell Firm's goal is the ultimate in fre...
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July 23, 2022 18 mins
John Pinna visited the International Religious Freedom summit in Washington DC, where he interviewed Sam Brownback. Sam Brownback ( is an American attorney, politician and diplomat who served as the United States Ambassador at Large for International Religious Freedom from 2018 to 2021. Brownback previously served as the Secretary of Agriculture of Kansas (1986–93), as the U.S. representa...
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July 21, 2022 20 mins
John Pinna visited the 2022 International Religious Freedom summit in Washington DC, where he interviewed Mariam Wahba. Mariam is the Associate Director of Advocacy with the Philos Project ( Mariam graduated from Fordham University with a BA in Middle East studies, Arabic, and Jewish studies. While she currently resides in NYC, Mariam was born in Menya, Egypt. Previously, she was the Policy Intern at In ...
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In this short episode, John and Matt continue to discuss the war in Ukraine, with John's predictions about the tide turning in Russia's favor being affirmed by emerging media. This is followed by a wide-ranging culinary discussion, including the story of a deathbed recipe. Support this podcast via Patreon (
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June 7, 2022 58 mins
John offers his unique perspective on Russia's war with Ukraine—how it could have been avoided and what its probable outcomes are. Spoilers: The birth of Starfleet Command? Support this podcast via Patreon (
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