June 16, 2025 • 36 mins
What if breaking the rules isn't just about random acts of rebellion, but a sacred, messy practice essential for personal and collective liberation? Let’s explore the nuances of disobedience, how it (and obedience) lives in our bodies, and plunge into why we must regularly practice breaking smaller rules to prepare ourselves for breaking bigger rules when it truly matters–AKA right friggin’ now!
From dealing with homophobic lighting™, to reclaiming our attention by fondling plants as our to-do lists (and our collective productivity-shame) try to kill us, small rebellions build our "rule-breaking muscles." As the systems around us create increasingly narrow parameters for living, we must resist being groomed into compliance and reconnect with our deepest inner knowing.
This episode is a love note to all the small and spontaneous rebellions...we also throw open the doors to the Church of Plantfondling, a sacred space of disobedient prayer, cultivating more-than-human relationships, dancing with the layers of reality and our aliveness, and calling in divine guidance along the way. Let’s get in some good trouble together, crybabies!
Subscribe, share with friends, and leave a review. Join Dana every Friday at 10 am PT on IG @danablix for a live guided grounding meditation (and #plantfondling).
~ RESOURCES ~
- Cy blocking the NG convoy on its way to LA!
- New report on undocumented immigrants paying higher tax rate than billionaires and corps (by Americans for Tax Fairness)
- Know Your Rights (re ICE) from National Lawyers Guild LA
- Follow the Global March to Gaza
- Free guided grounding meditation—a practice of calling your energy back/nervous system tending/reclaiming your attention) ~ (http://bit.ly/grounding-now)
- Beautiful Trouble — your troublemaker toolbox for effervescent rebellion!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Dearest crybabies, welcome back to Crying in my
Jacuzzi, the ebbs and flows ofliving an examined life where we
live, laugh, love in theAnthropocene.
I'm Dana Balicki,transformational coach of 13
years, former grassrootsorganizer, reverently,
irreverent, deep feeler.
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Woo-woo Sherpa, your internetbig sis that you always wanted,
and slow-down medicine guide inexploring the weird magic of
humaning together.
The Jacuzzi Verse is where wedive into the messy, beautiful,
ridiculous and profound journeyof self-exploration and
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collective evolution, becauselife is a lot and sometimes the
only thing left to do is to sinkinto the warm, bubbly depths of
it all and let it flow.
Crying in my jacuzzi, crying inmy jacuzzi.
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Crying in my jacuzzi, crying inmy jacuzzi.
I have always been obsessedwith rule breaking.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
As a law breaking citizen.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
I'm an anarchist.
That means I am anti-hierarchy.
I'm also non-pathological andrelational in my work the
complete package.
I'm a huge believer that wehave to regularly practice
breaking dumb rules.
I mean, if you ask my mom, Ihave always thought that almost
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every rule was dumb, I meanunless I was setting it, which
is a whole different thing.
But we have to practice.
Practice is prayer.
That's how I feel about it.
We turn to it, we turn to it,we bow to it, we allow ourselves
to be guided by it in itsimperfectness, in our
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imperfectness, our imperfectionor our inherent perfection,
meaning there's nothing that wehave to do or get right in order
to be perfect, and that ourperfection must contain
imperfection, just like our hopemust contain hopelessness.
That's the invitation here inthe Jacuzzi verse, right?
So we practice breaking thedumb rules all around us on
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daily basis, so that we canbreak the bigger rules when it
really matters.
And right now it really matters, and right now it really
matters.
And so many of us are going tobe like hunkering down and
trying to figure out how tostabilize which makes all the
sense in the world, and we aregoing to be given by the systems
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smaller and smaller and smallerparameters in which to live
inside of, and we have to becareful not to fall into the
trap of living by theirimagination.
We're constantly being groomedyes, being groomed to be good
consumers, to be compliant.
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This is why I love my goddessdaughter, esme, esme Moon, my
besties, my life wives, littlegirl who is a wild, wonderful
firecracker of a human.
I thought my husband was themost Aries Aries, whoever Aries
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but she might have him beat.
She has a lot of amazingqualities, and one of them is
that she is not a super obedientchild.
And look from one long-termdisobeyer to another Game
recognize, game I think itmatters.
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Game recognize, game I think itmatters.
I think we don't need to raisemore obedient humans.
Our over-indexing on obedienceand politeness serves certain
people, serves their bottom line, serves people's comfort level,
or perceived comfort levels,serves to work inside of all of
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the structures of normativity.
And look, anarchy isn't justwild chaos.
There is order in that chaos.
It is just horizontal, it isnot about power over, and so
it's really important right nowthat we look at power dynamics
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all around.
And so I bow to Esme and theway she makes her own rules and
disobeys the ones that don'tmake any sense to her.
Now, look, I don't have kids, soI'm not speaking from a
perspective of a parent workingwith a kid.
There's so much beautiful andpotent complexity inside of that
.
I'm just speaking to this onelittle aspect of obedience and
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over-indexing as a culturearound following rules that are
just handed down to us and weare expected to perform and
possibly push down not possiblydefinitely push down our own
inner knowings, our ownresonance, our own trust in
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ourselves to follow a bunch offucking rules that don't make
any sense and create, harm orhurt people Not always the same
thing being hurt, being harmed,anyway.
So I find parallels topracticing breaking the rules
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when it matters in my own work,in my own inner emotional work,
and then in my coaching work,Because it's always about
deconstructing what society hastold us to feel right, what it
has told you to feel, to do, howto think, what to take in, how
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to make decisions or how to letother people make decisions for
you, by slowly releasing yourgrip on your own self-trust over
time.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
I'm totally untrustworthy.
I'm a flibbertigibbet.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
And so I'm always looking at this.
I'm always looking at the waysthat we internalize systems and
how we then get to do the workof breaking those down inside of
ourselves, breaking the law,breaking the law, breaking the
law, breaking the law.
So we get to be our own littlepotent experiments.
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We don't have to go far,tearing down those walls that we
have built inside of ourselves,in our hearts and in our minds
and in our spirits, so that wecan see what's really on the
other side, what really mattersto us.
So then, instead ofreconstructing these huge walls,
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we can build new things thatmake more internal sense to us,
that make more sensation to eachof us and to us together,
collectively with Julia Frodaul,the role of examining and
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understanding the structuralissues of the old oppressive
models and then visioning,designing and building
alternatives, creating newworlds.
And what I'm suggesting here isto increase your awareness, to
lean into the practice ofnoticing where are the rules
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other people's rules that youare participating in that don't
really make sense to you, therules that no longer make sense
to your soul, to how youunderstand the nature of
existence?
This is about resonance, whatis resonant and not resonant.
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This is a practice Tuning in,listening deeply to your own
deepest inner knowing, not allthe mind chatter, but what you
know, even if you can't explainit, even if you don't think the
people around you in your lifeand your support system would
agree with you.
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This is you getting real andhonest, loving and clear with
you.
All right, so that's one piece.
Start noticing, write them down.
No joke, are there little onesin your own life even that have
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come up today for you, like forme?
Going into places with brightlights.
A friend recently said brightlights are homophobic and I was
like, ah, look at me being suchan ally with nothing above a 40
watt on a dimmer in my house.
Yeah, I will unscrew lightbulbs at a restaurant.
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You're a creature of pure chaos.
And that's just one example of alittle rule break.
It can take so many differentshapes and can be really
functional or can be a littledeeper, a little more
existential.
Maybe you notice that you saysorry a lot and there's a little
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disruption that you want tocreate because maybe you're not
fucking sorry.
I have a friend who reallyworks on saying thank you
instead of sorry and I reallylike that.
Sorry, not sorry.
The other rules, conscious andunconscious, that you have made
for yourself or that were handeddown to you.
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Maybe it's around yourobsession with productivity.
I mean that's really ourcultural obsession with
productivity.
I mean that's really ourcultural obsession.
Maybe it's around things thatyou really like to do but never
feel like you have enough timefor them in a reprioritization.
Maybe there's some longstandingrelationships or commitments
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that you've made that reallyneed a review and a change up.
Maybe there are just somethings that you've gotten really
used to and you're going togive yourself some permission to
check in with yourself and seewhether those are some rules
that you would like to practice.
Bending and breaking hey, maybethere's a bend before there's a
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break.
Maybe there's a twist.
Maybe the twist or the bend isall you need.
Marisha, the human pretzel, sofine, so flexible.
I don't know, but I'm invitingyou to ask yourself these
questions.
Oh, let's ask Alex and Janetwhat sort of rules they're
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breaking, or bending, ortwisting, or whatevering.
Alex, janet, is there somethingyou all are working on
practicing that you'd like toshare with the crab babies?
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Well, indeed I do, Dana.
I really love to be in natureand just watch plants grow.
Even if I have things to do, Ialways make time for that.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Oh well, that's fun, Alex.
I mean, I was designed to begood at many things, but I'm not
very good at cooking or baking,but I really love to do it.
I've come to enjoy thesensation of doing something I'm
not very good at.
If they ever have robots on oneof those baking shows where the
contestants make truly terriblecakes, I think I could win it
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make truly terrible cakes.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
I think I could win it.
Honestly, I love that.
Thank you for sharing that.
That's not nothing to makespace for things that feel
important, even if the world isnot telling you that it's the
most important thing you shouldbe doing, or letting yourself
just be sort of bad and keepdoing it anyway because it still
feels good.
Oh, that's resonance.
Janet, are you a well-seasonedtroublemaker or maybe just
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dipping your toe in for thefirst time?
New to the troublemaking game?
Wherever you are on thespectrum, my gorgeous, gorgeous
crybaby, beautiful Trouble isfor you.
It's a book, it's a strategycard deck, it's an online
toolbox, a creative campaignincubator for all your activism
local, big, global troublemakingneeds and desires.
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Archbishop Desmond Tutu callsbeautiful trouble a crucial
resource for change makers.
In a movement moment.
There's so rarely a shortage ofenergy, of zeal, of vigor, but
there is often room to grow withour skills.
So, whether it's just you, ormaybe you and a couple of
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friends trying to buildsomething in your community or
trying to lift something biggerwith others, everything and
anything that you might need tomake that absolutely
irresistible, beautiful troubleis just waiting for you.
Beautifultroubleorg.
We practice breaking the smallrules so we can break the big
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rules.
What we've been told is rightand wrong, who's worthy of love,
who's worthy of life, who andwhat is valuable, who gets
access to various resources andwho doesn't.
And look, rule breaking isuncomfortable, it is risky.
I'm feeling a little anxious,if you know what I mean.
We talked loads about risk invarious episodes in this season
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I guess really in all seasons,but especially last episode with
the lovely Leah Garza and howrisk is necessary for
relationships to grow and evolveand that will require your
discomfort.
Your discomfort is needed forconflict as well.
Right, so important right now.
So comfort, remember, not thesame thing as safety.
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We're getting taught that allthe time inside of white
supremacist culture, rapeculture sucks and it's okay to
be afraid.
I don't even believe infearlessness.
And it's okay to be afraid.
I don't even believe infearlessness.
I believe you can be inrelationship with your fear and
right-size it.
It's going to be there, butit's not all of you.
It doesn't have to be the verybiggest thing in the room.
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You can talk to it and be inrelationship with it.
You must, we must, don't pushit away or cut it off or pretend
like it's not there.
That's probably why it's therein the first place, because
something has been denied,something that you are concerned
about and care about was pushedaside.
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So turn towards it, see if youcan connect with it and then
maybe just right size it Like Ilike to imagine, instead of it
being the car that I'm riding inor my entire body, that it's
something I can put in my pocketor put in my purse and take
with me and look, this is also apractice.
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Remember, practice is prayer.
So it's going to want to getbigger and you'll be able to
feel that.
Cultivate the practice ofturning towards it again.
Talk to it.
I see you, hi, I know whyyou're here.
It's okay that you're here.
Let's take a breath.
What are you most afraid ofhappening right now?
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Ah, yes, I hear that.
I get that.
That feels really, reallyimportant.
Of course we would be feelingthis right now because we care
about those things.
So of course we would befeeling this.
These are some things, someways you can speak with resonant
language to your own scaredparts.
So let's take a step towardthese things that feel scary.
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You can say that to your scaredpart too.
Let's take a step together.
I believe we can do it.
Let's do this together.
We're not alone.
I'm with you If we're followingrules.
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That the people with the mostpower it's a relative statement,
but the people with the mostsupposed and understood power
which I don't actually think istrue I do think it's us.
The people are not payingattention to the rules, then by
being good rule followers I meanI'm talking to the Democrats
right now, a whole fucking lotof them.
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Where's that going to get us?
I'm not saying that thereshould be no accountability for
the people breaking these rules,but I'm also saying that we
might have to consider no, wehave to consider breaking rules
and not holding onto the onesthat really don't work for us,
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hoping that somehow that bringspeople back to some central
place of what right and we canbreak rules by being incredibly
human with each other right.
Like, let's break those rulesas climate chaos and collapse
continues and the systems tohelp people fall apart, we will
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be all that we have.
I mean, we are always all thatwe have together, right, but
sometimes we're breaking rulesby showing up for our neighbors.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
For some of us, that might be a little rule-breaky by
checking in with the people inour lives that may be in various
states of citizenship orimmigration status and learning
what we must do when ICE showsup.
I'm Denise Heverly and I'm BillGoodman.
Together, we've been fightingfascism for over 50 years.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
And so much has changed over those 50 years,
such as the ingredients to asuccessful firebomb.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
And the glass that bank windows are made of.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
But there's one thing that hasn't changed over 50
years, something that is soimportant to tell you kids who
are new to this movement.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Shut the fuck up.
You're sitting in the policetransport van after a protest.
Shut the fuck up in a holdingcell with your comrades.
Shut the fuck up.
Cop knocks on your door.
Shut the fuck up.
Texting on an unsecured device.
Shut the fuck up.
Pull over by the cops after aprotest.
Shut the fuck up.
Cop just asking about your day.
Shut the fuck up.
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Feds call your mom.
Tell your mother to shut thefuck up.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Now repeat after me.
When the cops come calling,what do you do?
Shut the fuck up.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Sponsored by National .
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Lawyers.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Guild.
I'll put more sources down inthe show notes.
But again, breaking rules, wehave to practice them in small
ways.
So if you practice them insmall ways, you are going to
build up your rule-breakingmuscle capacity to be courageous
when it matters, which now isalways.
And so there's that.
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The first part is recognizing,like.
Recognizing like okay, whereare the rules?
That small little ones, mydaily life, like unscrewing a
way too bright led white lightbulb, like what is that even
doing?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
or stopping to spend time with a tree, even if you
have a long to-do list or doingsomething you're bad at because
you like it, or just experimentwith saying fuck you to
perfection so let's look at thesmall ways and then the bigger
ways in which you are followingrules that you maybe didn't even
notice.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Bring attention, your precious attention, to these
things and then start practicingthe small break into the rules
break every rule.
The rule is wrong and then seewhere you can practice bigger
ones.
Or maybe there are some groupsyou can connect with that are
practicing these bigger rulebreakings rebellions and you go
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make some new friends.
Energetic grounding is theage-old cornerstone of countless
spiritual and magical practices.
For me, grounding has been oneof the most important and
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nourishing practices of my adultlife.
Nourishing practices of myadult life.
It's how I tend to my nervoussystem.
It's how I call my attentionand my energy back to myself
when it's scattered, when I'm inthe swirl, it helps me connect
to myself and those around methat I care about.
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Because it helps me practicestaying me that I care about.
Because it helps me practicestaying, practice presence,
practice tenderness, even whenthe world around me doesn't seem
to have a whole lot of any ofthose things.
It's even more important than Ido that we do so.
Go get your free grounding,guided meditation, the link in
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the show notes.
Have me your ear.
Use it whenever you wish.
We could all use some slow downmedicine right about now.
And my own lifelong commitmentto rebelliousnession has led me
many places as an activist, anorganizer and then as someone
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who does deep inner work withfolks to help them break down
the systems of internalizedoppression within themselves, so
that we can do it with eachother, it with each other and in
my own personal life.
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I have to keep doing the workand for me, in the past few
years, what that has taken theshape of is rule breaking in how
I think about my work in theworld, how I think about my
business, and shifting frommodels of growth, while and
questioning a lot of thosemodels to see if they really are
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aligned with what I understandas the way forward, what I
really believe about how we mustbe together and human together
and more than human together,and so unraveling from these
industrial growth social modelsto an orientation, that which is
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more life-sustaining, and forme that has meant not pushing
growth, in certain ways makingmore space for living.
And as much as I love my workand it feels like my, it feels
like my life, it is my lifecommitment.
I must keep asking questions.
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I must keep catching myself whenI'm slipping into old traps of
rule following Rules that are sodeeply internalized inside of
me around money and worth andvalue and belonging and purpose
and connection and all of thethings.
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So I allow my business to takedifferent shapes and I don't
make it mean anything about mewhen it does.
And as you really start tobreak the rules and get a little
bit more comfortable with yourdiscomfort, you've right-sized
your fear, you're inrelationship with it, you're
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getting and feeling more andmore aligned with your values.
Then how might you get to move?
Where are you in the creationof this web of connection and
humanity and love?
What is your role?
What skills and magic do youbring?
And sometimes you have to breaksome rules to mend a broken
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heart.
There are a lot of people doingsome pretty amazing loving acts
, what I consider deeply lovingacts of rebellion.
Right now we are living at anamazing time.
It is so complex and painfuland scary, and today all my
feeds were filled with mutualaid, glorious photos and videos
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of the seud convoy linking upwith the march for gaza to break
the siege and bring aid, andfolks in minneapolis and dc and
cities around the country and mybeloved la hometown, people
showing up for each other, justcreating resources, beautiful
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resources to help people stillshow up for their immigration
hearings, but remotely.
Ways to get people food, waysto get people childcare and
support, ways to subvert thesystems.
And aggression and violencefrom ICE, police officers,
national Guard of the convoy andjust stopped, stopped the car,
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blocked.
The entire convoy was arrestedand released.
Ah, bless you, sai, love you somuch.
That's the kind of energy weneed to bring Break the rules,
of energy we need to bring.
Break the rules.
Even if you don't have a bigplan, let your heart be big, let
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your truth be known, stand upfor folks who are being thrown
in jail, kidnapped, unjustly,illegally.
I know it's scary, I know Saiwas scared but she did it anyway
and she made a video.
You should go watch it.
I know Sai was scared but shedid it anyway and she made a
video.
You should go watch it.
I'll put it in the show notes.
We can do this together.
It's the only way.
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Do the work inside of yourself,find your people, practice
breaking rules and gettinguncomfortable in small ways so
you can do it in big ways,little by little, then, all of a
sudden.
It's the only way changehappens.
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So another thing and you'veheard me talk about this before
is plant fondling.
I find it to be a reallyaccessible, small, tender,
attention, reclaiming,connective, relational, deeply
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relational practice that justboops you right out of your
regular flow of life andbusyness.
And that's a do list and I gotthe things to do and I got to
think about this and I got tomove the beans forward and I got
to figure out how to get thistogether and this together, this
together, and move this personaround and this thing around,
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and how to manage this and feelthis and feel less of that.
You know it's like we're tryingto process so much through our
little meat bodies, our littletender, sensitive meat bags.
Someone on Instagram got reallymad at me recently by saying
meat bags and I was like we arejust really tissue and water.
So we are basically meat bags.
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But anyway, I say that withreverence and connecting with
another life form, a plant thatdoes not communicate in the same
way that humans do, does notemail us, does not give us words
and tell us like hey, I'mfeeling this way.
There's other ways it shows us,maybe it needs water or
something else, but then thereare layers and layers and layers
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.
I believe water or somethingelse, but then there are layers
and layers and layers, I believe, of more sensitive, complex,
nuanced communication that canbe had, even just pure
connectivity, just intention toslow the fuck down, reach out to
another being that is not goingto give you a cookie at the end
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, that is not going to wave itshand and say I'm so desperate
for something and tell you inexactly clear terms what it is,
but is just an invitation to bein connection by reaching out,
by touching it, by looking at it, by allowing it, imagining that
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it is also regarding you,taking a few breaths and this
whole rule breaking.
I've done it a lot in my life.
I do it all the time I can bereal rebellious, sometimes
perhaps to my own, I don't know.
Do I want to say detriment?
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No, you know what I was goingto say that, but that is not
resonant.
I don't fucking believe that.
I don't think it's to my owndetriment at all.
The detriment is actually y'all.
I'm having this realizationtruly in real time, right here,
right now.
The detriment, like when I wasfeeling that, ah, yes, to my own
detriment it was because I wasvery unconsciously comparing my
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own growth and ambition andsuccess and achievement God that
was so sneaky.
God that was so sneaky.
And then judging myself and mylife according to some ideas
that I've had over time aboutwhere I should be and what I
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could have had or achieved orwhatever man, that was really
fucking sneaky.
Amazing, amazing, how thisworks.
I was holding in my heart thislittle ping of like ah yes, I'm
a rule breaker, this is who I am, and to my own detriment
sometimes, because sometimes Ibreak rules and when I don't
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follow them, I don't get as faras other people.
It was something like that.
It was some little feeling likethat and I almost grabbed it
and made it true again andinstead I'm going to choose rule
breaking and I will not.
I will not take that in.
So that is my prayer.
That is the altar I pray at.
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I've been coming to call thisthe church of plant fondling,
not just because it's aboutplant fondling, not just because
it's about plant fondling.
It's really like the church ofrule breaking, the temple of
rule breaking.
Praying at the altar of rulebreaking but saying the church
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of plant fondling is like somuch more fun, don't you think?
Try it out, say it out loud theChurch of Plant Fondling.
Welcome to the Church of PlantFondling, where we break rules,
remake rules that are resonantand nourishing and fondly, and
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it's a sacred practice, right?
So?
Sacredness, disobedience,curiosity, compassion, these are
all the things that are not themaster's tools.
So if we use them, we know thatwe will not be rebuilding the
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master's house Sensation.
We will build something anew,something that has not existed
before.
And I always say, little bylittle, then all of a sudden.
It's the only way changehappens.
It is a core tenant of theChurch of Plant Pondering.
We break the rules little bylittle by little.
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Go practice today.
This is your homework and we doit and we do it.
We can't go to all the biggestrules.
First you have to practice themin your own life.
I will be sharing I have such along list, oh my God, just wait
.
I will be sharing morepractices from the Church of
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Plant Fondling experiments inaliveness to help you meet the
moment.
Tend to the part of yourselfthat is getting crushed under
the weight of all of these oldrules and to create a container
for aliveness, for curiosity,for depth, for connection, for
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relationality.
We have to tend to all theseinner workings, to build those
muscles, to develop ourcapacities, to loosen our grip
on what we think we know,because that will be probably
what actually saves us.
Using our imaginations,reclaiming our attention.
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These are acts of liberation.
This is us breaking down thatwall or burning that bridge,
flinging open a door tosomething wildly new and
mysterious, titillating andfondly and sensory-sensual,
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making us feel things, maybe,that we've forgotten.
And so the freer we become withourselves, inside of ourselves,
the freer we can be together.
So welcome, welcome, welcome tothe Church of Plant Fondling,
where practice is prayer, whererule-breaking is our hymn and
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where aliveness is alwayscalling us.
So let's get courageous.
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Crying in my jacuzzi, crying inmy jacuzzi.
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Crying in my jacuzzi, crying inmy jacuzzi.
I have always been obsessedwith rule breaking.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
As a law breaking citizen.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
I'm an anarchist.
That means I am anti-hierarchy.
I'm also non-pathological andrelational in my work the
complete package.
I'm a huge believer that wehave to regularly practice
breaking dumb rules.
I mean, if you ask my mom, Ihave always thought that almost
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every rule was dumb, I meanunless I was setting it, which
is a whole different thing.
But we have to practice.
Practice is prayer.
That's how I feel about it.
We turn to it, we turn to it,we bow to it, we allow ourselves
to be guided by it in itsimperfectness, in our
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imperfectness, our imperfectionor our inherent perfection,
meaning there's nothing that wehave to do or get right in order
to be perfect, and that ourperfection must contain
imperfection, just like our hopemust contain hopelessness.
That's the invitation here inthe Jacuzzi verse, right?
So we practice breaking thedumb rules all around us on
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daily basis, so that we canbreak the bigger rules when it
really matters.
And right now it really matters, and right now it really
matters.
And so many of us are going tobe like hunkering down and
trying to figure out how tostabilize which makes all the
sense in the world, and we aregoing to be given by the systems
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smaller and smaller and smallerparameters in which to live
inside of, and we have to becareful not to fall into the
trap of living by theirimagination.
We're constantly being groomedyes, being groomed to be good
consumers, to be compliant.
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This is why I love my goddessdaughter, esme, esme Moon, my
besties, my life wives, littlegirl who is a wild, wonderful
firecracker of a human.
I thought my husband was themost Aries Aries, whoever Aries
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but she might have him beat.
She has a lot of amazingqualities, and one of them is
that she is not a super obedientchild.
And look from one long-termdisobeyer to another Game
recognize, game I think itmatters.
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Game recognize, game I think itmatters.
I think we don't need to raisemore obedient humans.
Our over-indexing on obedienceand politeness serves certain
people, serves their bottom line, serves people's comfort level,
or perceived comfort levels,serves to work inside of all of
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the structures of normativity.
And look, anarchy isn't justwild chaos.
There is order in that chaos.
It is just horizontal, it isnot about power over, and so
it's really important right nowthat we look at power dynamics
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all around.
And so I bow to Esme and theway she makes her own rules and
disobeys the ones that don'tmake any sense to her.
Now, look, I don't have kids, soI'm not speaking from a
perspective of a parent workingwith a kid.
There's so much beautiful andpotent complexity inside of that
.
I'm just speaking to this onelittle aspect of obedience and
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over-indexing as a culturearound following rules that are
just handed down to us and weare expected to perform and
possibly push down not possiblydefinitely push down our own
inner knowings, our ownresonance, our own trust in
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ourselves to follow a bunch offucking rules that don't make
any sense and create, harm orhurt people Not always the same
thing being hurt, being harmed,anyway.
So I find parallels topracticing breaking the rules
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when it matters in my own work,in my own inner emotional work,
and then in my coaching work,Because it's always about
deconstructing what society hastold us to feel right, what it
has told you to feel, to do, howto think, what to take in, how
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to make decisions or how to letother people make decisions for
you, by slowly releasing yourgrip on your own self-trust over
time.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
I'm totally untrustworthy.
I'm a flibbertigibbet.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
And so I'm always looking at this.
I'm always looking at the waysthat we internalize systems and
how we then get to do the workof breaking those down inside of
ourselves, breaking the law,breaking the law, breaking the
law, breaking the law.
So we get to be our own littlepotent experiments.
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We don't have to go far,tearing down those walls that we
have built inside of ourselves,in our hearts and in our minds
and in our spirits, so that wecan see what's really on the
other side, what really mattersto us.
So then, instead ofreconstructing these huge walls,
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we can build new things thatmake more internal sense to us,
that make more sensation to eachof us and to us together,
collectively with Julia Frodaul,the role of examining and
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understanding the structuralissues of the old oppressive
models and then visioning,designing and building
alternatives, creating newworlds.
And what I'm suggesting here isto increase your awareness, to
lean into the practice ofnoticing where are the rules
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other people's rules that youare participating in that don't
really make sense to you, therules that no longer make sense
to your soul, to how youunderstand the nature of
existence?
This is about resonance, whatis resonant and not resonant.
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This is a practice Tuning in,listening deeply to your own
deepest inner knowing, not allthe mind chatter, but what you
know, even if you can't explainit, even if you don't think the
people around you in your lifeand your support system would
agree with you.
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This is you getting real andhonest, loving and clear with
you.
All right, so that's one piece.
Start noticing, write them down.
No joke, are there little onesin your own life even that have
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come up today for you, like forme?
Going into places with brightlights.
A friend recently said brightlights are homophobic and I was
like, ah, look at me being suchan ally with nothing above a 40
watt on a dimmer in my house.
Yeah, I will unscrew lightbulbs at a restaurant.
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You're a creature of pure chaos.
And that's just one example of alittle rule break.
It can take so many differentshapes and can be really
functional or can be a littledeeper, a little more
existential.
Maybe you notice that you saysorry a lot and there's a little
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disruption that you want tocreate because maybe you're not
fucking sorry.
I have a friend who reallyworks on saying thank you
instead of sorry and I reallylike that.
Sorry, not sorry.
The other rules, conscious andunconscious, that you have made
for yourself or that were handeddown to you.
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Maybe it's around yourobsession with productivity.
I mean that's really ourcultural obsession with
productivity.
I mean that's really ourcultural obsession.
Maybe it's around things thatyou really like to do but never
feel like you have enough timefor them in a reprioritization.
Maybe there's some longstandingrelationships or commitments
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that you've made that reallyneed a review and a change up.
Maybe there are just somethings that you've gotten really
used to and you're going togive yourself some permission to
check in with yourself and seewhether those are some rules
that you would like to practice.
Bending and breaking hey, maybethere's a bend before there's a
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break.
Maybe there's a twist.
Maybe the twist or the bend isall you need.
Marisha, the human pretzel, sofine, so flexible.
I don't know, but I'm invitingyou to ask yourself these
questions.
Oh, let's ask Alex and Janetwhat sort of rules they're
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breaking, or bending, ortwisting, or whatevering.
Alex, janet, is there somethingyou all are working on
practicing that you'd like toshare with the crab babies?
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Well, indeed I do, Dana.
I really love to be in natureand just watch plants grow.
Even if I have things to do, Ialways make time for that.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Oh well, that's fun, Alex.
I mean, I was designed to begood at many things, but I'm not
very good at cooking or baking,but I really love to do it.
I've come to enjoy thesensation of doing something I'm
not very good at.
If they ever have robots on oneof those baking shows where the
contestants make truly terriblecakes, I think I could win it
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make truly terrible cakes.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
I think I could win it.
Honestly, I love that.
Thank you for sharing that.
That's not nothing to makespace for things that feel
important, even if the world isnot telling you that it's the
most important thing you shouldbe doing, or letting yourself
just be sort of bad and keepdoing it anyway because it still
feels good.
Oh, that's resonance.
Janet, are you a well-seasonedtroublemaker or maybe just
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dipping your toe in for thefirst time?
New to the troublemaking game?
Wherever you are on thespectrum, my gorgeous, gorgeous
crybaby, beautiful Trouble isfor you.
It's a book, it's a strategycard deck, it's an online
toolbox, a creative campaignincubator for all your activism
local, big, global troublemakingneeds and desires.
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Archbishop Desmond Tutu callsbeautiful trouble a crucial
resource for change makers.
In a movement moment.
There's so rarely a shortage ofenergy, of zeal, of vigor, but
there is often room to grow withour skills.
So, whether it's just you, ormaybe you and a couple of
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friends trying to buildsomething in your community or
trying to lift something biggerwith others, everything and
anything that you might need tomake that absolutely
irresistible, beautiful troubleis just waiting for you.
Beautifultroubleorg.
We practice breaking the smallrules so we can break the big
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rules.
What we've been told is rightand wrong, who's worthy of love,
who's worthy of life, who andwhat is valuable, who gets
access to various resources andwho doesn't.
And look, rule breaking isuncomfortable, it is risky.
I'm feeling a little anxious,if you know what I mean.
We talked loads about risk invarious episodes in this season
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I guess really in all seasons,but especially last episode with
the lovely Leah Garza and howrisk is necessary for
relationships to grow and evolveand that will require your
discomfort.
Your discomfort is needed forconflict as well.
Right, so important right now.
So comfort, remember, not thesame thing as safety.
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We're getting taught that allthe time inside of white
supremacist culture, rapeculture sucks and it's okay to
be afraid.
I don't even believe infearlessness.
And it's okay to be afraid.
I don't even believe infearlessness.
I believe you can be inrelationship with your fear and
right-size it.
It's going to be there, butit's not all of you.
It doesn't have to be the verybiggest thing in the room.
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You can talk to it and be inrelationship with it.
You must, we must, don't pushit away or cut it off or pretend
like it's not there.
That's probably why it's therein the first place, because
something has been denied,something that you are concerned
about and care about was pushedaside.
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So turn towards it, see if youcan connect with it and then
maybe just right size it Like Ilike to imagine, instead of it
being the car that I'm riding inor my entire body, that it's
something I can put in my pocketor put in my purse and take
with me and look, this is also apractice.
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Remember, practice is prayer.
So it's going to want to getbigger and you'll be able to
feel that.
Cultivate the practice ofturning towards it again.
Talk to it.
I see you, hi, I know whyyou're here.
It's okay that you're here.
Let's take a breath.
What are you most afraid ofhappening right now?
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Ah, yes, I hear that.
I get that.
That feels really, reallyimportant.
Of course we would be feelingthis right now because we care
about those things.
So of course we would befeeling this.
These are some things, someways you can speak with resonant
language to your own scaredparts.
So let's take a step towardthese things that feel scary.
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You can say that to your scaredpart too.
Let's take a step together.
I believe we can do it.
Let's do this together.
We're not alone.
I'm with you If we're followingrules.
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That the people with the mostpower it's a relative statement,
but the people with the mostsupposed and understood power
which I don't actually think istrue I do think it's us.
The people are not payingattention to the rules, then by
being good rule followers I meanI'm talking to the Democrats
right now, a whole fucking lotof them.
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Where's that going to get us?
I'm not saying that thereshould be no accountability for
the people breaking these rules,but I'm also saying that we
might have to consider no, wehave to consider breaking rules
and not holding onto the onesthat really don't work for us,
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hoping that somehow that bringspeople back to some central
place of what right and we canbreak rules by being incredibly
human with each other right.
Like, let's break those rulesas climate chaos and collapse
continues and the systems tohelp people fall apart, we will
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be all that we have.
I mean, we are always all thatwe have together, right, but
sometimes we're breaking rulesby showing up for our neighbors.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
For some of us, that might be a little rule-breaky by
checking in with the people inour lives that may be in various
states of citizenship orimmigration status and learning
what we must do when ICE showsup.
I'm Denise Heverly and I'm BillGoodman.
Together, we've been fightingfascism for over 50 years.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
And so much has changed over those 50 years,
such as the ingredients to asuccessful firebomb.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
And the glass that bank windows are made of.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
But there's one thing that hasn't changed over 50
years, something that is soimportant to tell you kids who
are new to this movement.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Shut the fuck up.
You're sitting in the policetransport van after a protest.
Shut the fuck up in a holdingcell with your comrades.
Shut the fuck up.
Cop knocks on your door.
Shut the fuck up.
Texting on an unsecured device.
Shut the fuck up.
Pull over by the cops after aprotest.
Shut the fuck up.
Cop just asking about your day.
Shut the fuck up.
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Feds call your mom.
Tell your mother to shut thefuck up.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Now repeat after me.
When the cops come calling,what do you do?
Shut the fuck up.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Sponsored by National .
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Lawyers.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Guild.
I'll put more sources down inthe show notes.
But again, breaking rules, wehave to practice them in small
ways.
So if you practice them insmall ways, you are going to
build up your rule-breakingmuscle capacity to be courageous
when it matters, which now isalways.
And so there's that.
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The first part is recognizing,like.
Recognizing like okay, whereare the rules?
That small little ones, mydaily life, like unscrewing a
way too bright led white lightbulb, like what is that even
doing?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
or stopping to spend time with a tree, even if you
have a long to-do list or doingsomething you're bad at because
you like it, or just experimentwith saying fuck you to
perfection so let's look at thesmall ways and then the bigger
ways in which you are followingrules that you maybe didn't even
notice.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Bring attention, your precious attention, to these
things and then start practicingthe small break into the rules
break every rule.
The rule is wrong and then seewhere you can practice bigger
ones.
Or maybe there are some groupsyou can connect with that are
practicing these bigger rulebreakings rebellions and you go
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make some new friends.
Energetic grounding is theage-old cornerstone of countless
spiritual and magical practices.
For me, grounding has been oneof the most important and
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nourishing practices of my adultlife.
Nourishing practices of myadult life.
It's how I tend to my nervoussystem.
It's how I call my attentionand my energy back to myself
when it's scattered, when I'm inthe swirl, it helps me connect
to myself and those around methat I care about.
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Because it helps me practicestaying me that I care about.
Because it helps me practicestaying, practice presence,
practice tenderness, even whenthe world around me doesn't seem
to have a whole lot of any ofthose things.
It's even more important than Ido that we do so.
Go get your free grounding,guided meditation, the link in
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the show notes.
Have me your ear.
Use it whenever you wish.
We could all use some slow downmedicine right about now.
And my own lifelong commitmentto rebelliousnession has led me
many places as an activist, anorganizer and then as someone
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who does deep inner work withfolks to help them break down
the systems of internalizedoppression within themselves, so
that we can do it with eachother, it with each other and in
my own personal life.
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I have to keep doing the workand for me, in the past few
years, what that has taken theshape of is rule breaking in how
I think about my work in theworld, how I think about my
business, and shifting frommodels of growth, while and
questioning a lot of thosemodels to see if they really are
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aligned with what I understandas the way forward, what I
really believe about how we mustbe together and human together
and more than human together,and so unraveling from these
industrial growth social modelsto an orientation, that which is
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more life-sustaining, and forme that has meant not pushing
growth, in certain ways makingmore space for living.
And as much as I love my workand it feels like my, it feels
like my life, it is my lifecommitment.
I must keep asking questions.
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I must keep catching myself whenI'm slipping into old traps of
rule following Rules that are sodeeply internalized inside of
me around money and worth andvalue and belonging and purpose
and connection and all of thethings.
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So I allow my business to takedifferent shapes and I don't
make it mean anything about mewhen it does.
And as you really start tobreak the rules and get a little
bit more comfortable with yourdiscomfort, you've right-sized
your fear, you're inrelationship with it, you're
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getting and feeling more andmore aligned with your values.
Then how might you get to move?
Where are you in the creationof this web of connection and
humanity and love?
What is your role?
What skills and magic do youbring?
And sometimes you have to breaksome rules to mend a broken
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heart.
There are a lot of people doingsome pretty amazing loving acts
, what I consider deeply lovingacts of rebellion.
Right now we are living at anamazing time.
It is so complex and painfuland scary, and today all my
feeds were filled with mutualaid, glorious photos and videos
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of the seud convoy linking upwith the march for gaza to break
the siege and bring aid, andfolks in minneapolis and dc and
cities around the country and mybeloved la hometown, people
showing up for each other, justcreating resources, beautiful
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resources to help people stillshow up for their immigration
hearings, but remotely.
Ways to get people food, waysto get people childcare and
support, ways to subvert thesystems.
And aggression and violencefrom ICE, police officers,
national Guard of the convoy andjust stopped, stopped the car,
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blocked.
The entire convoy was arrestedand released.
Ah, bless you, sai, love you somuch.
That's the kind of energy weneed to bring Break the rules,
of energy we need to bring.
Break the rules.
Even if you don't have a bigplan, let your heart be big, let
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your truth be known, stand upfor folks who are being thrown
in jail, kidnapped, unjustly,illegally.
I know it's scary, I know Saiwas scared but she did it anyway
and she made a video.
You should go watch it.
I know Sai was scared but shedid it anyway and she made a
video.
You should go watch it.
I'll put it in the show notes.
We can do this together.
It's the only way.
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Do the work inside of yourself,find your people, practice
breaking rules and gettinguncomfortable in small ways so
you can do it in big ways,little by little, then, all of a
sudden.
It's the only way changehappens.
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So another thing and you'veheard me talk about this before
is plant fondling.
I find it to be a reallyaccessible, small, tender,
attention, reclaiming,connective, relational, deeply
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relational practice that justboops you right out of your
regular flow of life andbusyness.
And that's a do list and I gotthe things to do and I got to
think about this and I got tomove the beans forward and I got
to figure out how to get thistogether and this together, this
together, and move this personaround and this thing around,
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and how to manage this and feelthis and feel less of that.
You know it's like we're tryingto process so much through our
little meat bodies, our littletender, sensitive meat bags.
Someone on Instagram got reallymad at me recently by saying
meat bags and I was like we arejust really tissue and water.
So we are basically meat bags.
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But anyway, I say that withreverence and connecting with
another life form, a plant thatdoes not communicate in the same
way that humans do, does notemail us, does not give us words
and tell us like hey, I'mfeeling this way.
There's other ways it shows us,maybe it needs water or
something else, but then thereare layers and layers and layers
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.
I believe water or somethingelse, but then there are layers
and layers and layers, I believe, of more sensitive, complex,
nuanced communication that canbe had, even just pure
connectivity, just intention toslow the fuck down, reach out to
another being that is not goingto give you a cookie at the end
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, that is not going to wave itshand and say I'm so desperate
for something and tell you inexactly clear terms what it is,
but is just an invitation to bein connection by reaching out,
by touching it, by looking at it, by allowing it, imagining that
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it is also regarding you,taking a few breaths and this
whole rule breaking.
I've done it a lot in my life.
I do it all the time I can bereal rebellious, sometimes
perhaps to my own, I don't know.
Do I want to say detriment?
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No, you know what I was goingto say that, but that is not
resonant.
I don't fucking believe that.
I don't think it's to my owndetriment at all.
The detriment is actually y'all.
I'm having this realizationtruly in real time, right here,
right now.
The detriment, like when I wasfeeling that, ah, yes, to my own
detriment it was because I wasvery unconsciously comparing my
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own growth and ambition andsuccess and achievement God that
was so sneaky.
God that was so sneaky.
And then judging myself and mylife according to some ideas
that I've had over time aboutwhere I should be and what I
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could have had or achieved orwhatever man, that was really
fucking sneaky.
Amazing, amazing, how thisworks.
I was holding in my heart thislittle ping of like ah yes, I'm
a rule breaker, this is who I am, and to my own detriment
sometimes, because sometimes Ibreak rules and when I don't
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follow them, I don't get as faras other people.
It was something like that.
It was some little feeling likethat and I almost grabbed it
and made it true again andinstead I'm going to choose rule
breaking and I will not.
I will not take that in.
So that is my prayer.
That is the altar I pray at.
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I've been coming to call thisthe church of plant fondling,
not just because it's aboutplant fondling, not just because
it's about plant fondling.
It's really like the church ofrule breaking, the temple of
rule breaking.
Praying at the altar of rulebreaking but saying the church
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of plant fondling is like somuch more fun, don't you think?
Try it out, say it out loud theChurch of Plant Fondling.
Welcome to the Church of PlantFondling, where we break rules,
remake rules that are resonantand nourishing and fondly, and
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it's a sacred practice, right?
So?
Sacredness, disobedience,curiosity, compassion, these are
all the things that are not themaster's tools.
So if we use them, we know thatwe will not be rebuilding the
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master's house Sensation.
We will build something anew,something that has not existed
before.
And I always say, little bylittle, then all of a sudden.
It's the only way changehappens.
It is a core tenant of theChurch of Plant Pondering.
We break the rules little bylittle by little.
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Go practice today.
This is your homework and we doit and we do it.
We can't go to all the biggestrules.
First you have to practice themin your own life.
I will be sharing I have such along list, oh my God, just wait
.
I will be sharing morepractices from the Church of
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Plant Fondling experiments inaliveness to help you meet the
moment.
Tend to the part of yourselfthat is getting crushed under
the weight of all of these oldrules and to create a container
for aliveness, for curiosity,for depth, for connection, for
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relationality.
We have to tend to all theseinner workings, to build those
muscles, to develop ourcapacities, to loosen our grip
on what we think we know,because that will be probably
what actually saves us.
Using our imaginations,reclaiming our attention.
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These are acts of liberation.
This is us breaking down thatwall or burning that bridge,
flinging open a door tosomething wildly new and
mysterious, titillating andfondly and sensory-sensual,
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making us feel things, maybe,that we've forgotten.
And so the freer we become withourselves, inside of ourselves,
the freer we can be together.
So welcome, welcome, welcome tothe Church of Plant Fondling,
where practice is prayer, whererule-breaking is our hymn and
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where aliveness is alwayscalling us.
So let's get courageous.
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