Osiris Dick in a Box: Mature Rebellion in These Times™ with astrologer Diana Rose

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Dearest crybabies, welcome back to Crying in my
Jacuzzi.
The ebbs and flows of living anexamined life where we live,
laugh, love in the Anthropocene.
I'm Dana Balicki,transformational coach of 13
years, former grassrootsorganizer, reverently,

(00:21):
irreverent, deep feeler, woo,woowoo, sherpa, your internet
big sis that you always wantedand slow-down medicine guide in
exploring the weird magic ofhumaning together.
The Jacuzzi Verse is where wedive into the messy, beautiful,
ridiculous and profound journeyof self-exploration and

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collective evolution.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Because life is a lot , and sometimes the only thing
left to do is to sink into thewarm, bubbly depths of it all
and let it flow, crying in myjacuzzi.
Crying in my jacuzzi crying inmy jacuzzi.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Crying in my jacuzzi.
I am almost always thinkingabout systems and dismantling
systems.
I've been known to use the wordremantling.

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It's not a word, but if I sayit is, then it is.
Then why not?
People make things up all thetime.
A friend of mine said thinkingabout systems and internalized
systems is my Roman empire.
She is not wrong.
It's what I used to do as anactivist, it's what I do now as
a coach.

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Even my far more seeminglyesoteric work working with the
Akasha and the Akashic Recordsin a more divinatory, oracular,
psychic, intuitive way withfolks, that's still contending
with old systems and touchingother sources of our

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intelligence and knowing theimaginal realm in order to
explore our broader capacitiesas humans.
Because the limitations of thesystems we do live inside of are
felt.
All of us feel it.

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It the constant contraction ofsystemically oppressive systems
where expansion is almostimpossible, and we have learned
to trade those desires for muchsmaller crumbs like comfort and
busyness and remembering, and weforget presence and how to stay

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and how to grow, how to be witheach other.
And you know, contraction isn'tall bad and expansion isn't all
good.
Contraction limitation, verySaturnian, expansion, growth,
very Jupiterian.
Oh man Don't know that word,but you know who would be

(03:59):
perfect, perfect accompanimentfor this, for this conversation
I'm currently having with myselfand you, but who could bring
some more depth play,storytelling, zingers, deep
thoughts, tm.
And surely knows the correctword to describe something with

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the essence of the planetJupiter, the true being of
delight, diana Rose.
She's a relational astrologer,tarot reader, writer, educator.
If you don't already know Diana, let me just say you're're
welcome right up front.

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So last time I saw Diana shewas on Venus, thriving amidst
the noxious gases.
I think there's, let's see.
I don't think the distance herebetween the Jacuzzi-verse and
Venus is very far between theJacuzzi-verse and Venus is very

(05:11):
far.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
There's a little portally worm.
Hurry something around here.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Whoa Ooh, it is dense out here.
The air is thick.
Ooh, I see her right up thereand welcome to growing in my
jacuzzi.
Welcome to the jacuzzi verse.
I mean, we're also just maybealways in the jacuzzi verse
because you're still where youare and I'm still here, and

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maybe it's really just a liminalspace of how we are together.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
Yeah, I really like the idea where it's just like
God is everywhere.
God is everything, and so isthe jacuzzi.
Yeah.
Like at any moment you couldenter into the version of
non-normative consciousness thatis, jacuzzi consciousness.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
It feels, like one of the most beautiful things
anyone has ever said about thecrazy bird, thank you.
That was maybe the mostbeautiful, perfect intro because
, like, yes, splash around, playhere together, but like where
we are on this collectivetimeline and the stories that we

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are taking in and processingmaybe are we even processing
them, I'm not even sure Kind ofSort of.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
I think a lot of.
It is kind of like when you eatcorn on the cob too fast and
you don't fully chew it, and soyou've intaken it but you're not
going to digest it.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
It's going to end up in the toilet, yeah right there,
little chunks being like, ooh,all right, that's what I had
Exactly.
Being like, oh, all right,that's what I had exactly.
And so then it's just likegoing back out and then, and
then we keep doing the samething and we keep maybe getting
like little bits right and we'retaking in little bits, but
we're not really.
Our bodies, our little meatbags are doing the best that
they can.

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Yes, you know, speaking of thenon-normative jacuzzi verse,
this feels like, and has for along time felt like a time for
like great imagination, becausewe're being told in so many ways
and because of the, thefiltering and the like
processing and attemptedprocessing, the overwhelm.

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We're being told how to be.
We're being told like how weare going to live together right
, living under these like rulesand norms and in this time of
like great imaginations, like wehave to come up with new
stories or we can turn to theold stories.
And which is part of why Iwanted to talk to you, because
you're a great storyteller and Ifeel like story keeper and

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share and an interpreter andreinterpreter, and the way that
you like sort of bend storiesand bend time and I feel like
always looping the ancient andthe future and the present
together.
I'm wondering, like when I toldyou I was sending you some notes
and then it I don't know if yousaw that message and I some
notes, and then it I don't knowif you saw that message and I

(08:04):
was like and then it turned intoa grand essay and I was like
let's have the conversation, butI wanted to know, like the
stories.
We can talk about a millionthings, but it's like are there
stories right now that feelreally like on your heart?
As we're in this new time ofyou know, I introduced like the
idea of rebellion in theconversation, in our emails, to

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move out of this normativitythat we have been told is all
there is and into thisnon-normative, non-pathological,
like new spaces of rebellion,of shift, of release, maybe of
loss.
I'm just curious what feels onyour heart?

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, so there are.
There are a few differentstories that are that come to
mind as you say this ah man,which one?
I feel like I have like thismenu in front of me and I'm like
, oh, what one sounds tastiest.
Yeah, I mean, all of like.
This is the thing with stories,right?
They're always going to be somelevel of relevant.
I will say that, you know, injust direct response to some of

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what you were just saying, thisis a time where it's extremely
important to use ourimaginations wisely and
intentionally, instead ofletting them get constantly
hijacked, like no matter what,we are influenced and we are
influencing.
And also, there are ways to bemore intentional and agential
with the manipulation of ourimaginations, right?
The first story that came tomind is the story of Isis,

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osiris and Seth from ancientEgypt, and in this story, isis,
osiris and Seth are basicallythe first children that are born
.
And Isis and Osiris are like aperfect match, right?
They fit each other perfectly,they're perfectly aligned, they
become the original, likeincestuous marriage.

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Dyad of ancient Egypt, and Sethis consumed with jealousy,
consumed with envy, you know,has not even considered whether
he might be able to find his own, equal.
Elsewise, and instead ofpursuing someone, creation of
someone, the engagement withsomeone that would be his

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version of the Isis-Osirispairing, he allows his envy to
attempt to destroy the unionright.
And so you know, in this weimmediately get the whole like
is union allowed in the world ofincarnate form, and how long is
union allowed for?
And also the ache, the pain ofseparation.

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There's the separation that is.
I let me finish the story andthen we'll get into that.
But in this story Seth, in hisimmense envy, concocts a plan to
destroy the perfect Dyad and hesends his little minions.
He creates little minions towork for him and they go and
they measure Osiris exactly.

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They get every measurement ofOsiris's body.
So it's just a perfectunderstanding of what Osiris
looks like, what Osiris's formis.
And then Seth throws a party andat the party he presents this
creative work that he's made.
And what it is is a box.
It's a box for a BA and it'sthe most exquisite metalwork.

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It's gilded with gold and ithas all of these absolutely
incredible stones inlaid into it.
It's just the most incrediblyluxurious box you've ever laid
eyes on.
And Seth is like whoever fitsin this box, you can have it.
And so all of the attendees atthis party.
It's like Cinderella in hershoe right.

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All of the attendees at thisparty try to fit themselves in
the box and nobody fits.
And then Seth is like Osiriswhy haven't you tried the box?
And Osiris gets into the box,it fits him perfectly.
And while Os is like Osiris whyhaven't you tried the box?
And Osiris gets into the box,it fits him perfectly.
And while Osiris is in the box,seth rushes over and slams the
lid down.
And when he slams the lid down,the mechanics of the box

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activate and Osiris is shredinto pieces.
And then Seth distributes thepieces of Osiris over the land
of Egypt and his perfect dyad,his perfect partner, isis, is
utterly devastated.
She goes on a mission tocollect all of the pieces of
Osiris, assembles Osiris backtogether.

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In some versions of the storyshe can't find his reproductive
member member, and so she cutsoff her own thumb and puts it in
that place.
In some stories she does findit, but in any case, osiris is
fully assembled and then sheturns into the bird version of
Isis.
You see, you've seen thoseimages of Isis with her wings,

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and she uses her wings tobreathe life back into Osiris
and then, in that process, she'sstraddling him.
As this happens, she becomespregnant and Horus is the child
that emerges from this union.
Yes, right, so there is areassembly, but Osiris is never
the same after this Osiris is OGFrankenstein'sstein's monster.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
You could say yeah, so I was getting very strong
dick in a box vibes from thatstory also literally straight up
dick in a box.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Vibes right modern mythology yeah but also, you
know, just like the importanceof fertilizing, fecundity, right
?
Yes, you know, horus becomes agod of the sun.
His shape, his animal shape, isthe falcon.
He sees from very far placesand then plummets down and

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attacks what needs attacking,like hunts, what needs hunting.
Right, we could get into Horusstuff too, yeah, you know.
But there's this, the, thedestruction, and it's a
destruction that's rooted inenvy.
The destruction of union,perfect union is disallowed from
perfect continuance.
The ache of reassembling thebeloved well, the ache of loss

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the ache of loss, the ache ofloss, and then that yearning,
the seeking of the parts,putting the parts back together,
but also knowing there is noback together, it's a new
together, right.
And so, even as I'm saying thestory, I'm thinking about how
you know, in these times, tmsprinkle, sprinkle, like you
know, little sparkles there,right in these times, tm
sprinkle, sprinkle, like youknow, little sparkles there,

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right, in these times, likethere's an awareness that how
humans in the quote-unquote Westare living is very, very, very
alien to the deep history of howhumans have lived.
Yeah, it's very alien how werelate with the land that we're
on and the trees that are nearus, and like there's this
gorgeous rhododendron bush infront of my office window and

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it's like I can't wait for herto bloom.
And also like she's a newfriend, like you know.
I don't know if she likes meyet.
I think she does, but you knowwe'll see, right.
But anyway the relations that wehave in place are so different.
Yeah, and humans, as far as youknow, the deep traditions that
we have access to, like thecontinued traditions, like even
thinking about, like the Bhaktitraditions that come out of

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India, or the devotionalintensities and the devotional
mystics from, like you know,monaster, know that there is
this yearning to be connected,this yearning for the more than
human, not just the other thanhuman, but the more than human,

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and that that connectionreassembles us in important ways
.
And also, we can't go backRight, there is no return or
retvern, you know, like theR-E-T-V-R-N, right, like the
return is not, is not a fulloption, but a reassembly is
possible.
Yeah, but the reassembly isalways with the acknowledgement

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that there is someone orsomething, an energetic of
destruction.
Sometimes the destruction isnecessary, like we don't have
life without death, right, andalso sometimes the destruction
is petty, little bitches.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
I started to talk here about experiencing self
versus the remembering self andthe audio got a little crispy
from all that Venusian storming.
So I want to say it again andmaybe add a little extra.
So we don't just experience ourlife, we remember it.
Psychologist Daniel Kahnemancalls it our experiencing self
and our remembering self andpoints out that they don't

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always agree with each other.
There's tension.
The experiencing self lives inthe moment, feels things as they
happen.
It's the present self in anutshell.
But the remembering self is thestoryteller, it decides what
sticks, it shapes how we thinkabout the past, unless it
influences our future choices,which maybe can sound a little

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benign.
But there's a catch, because wedon't remember everything
equally.
We tend to focus on peakmoments, the most intense parts
and how things end, while sortof hazing the most intense parts
and how things end, while sortof hazing, shelving, fuzzing the
duration of the experience.
So this has a huge politicalimplications.
The hellscape of nostalgia,driven maga messaging that taps

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into people's selective memoryand idealizes a past that
ignores systemic struggles,inequalities, all the things
people don't want to remember,don't want to confront.
This makes them uncomfortable.
Right to comfort is a tenet ofwhite supremacy.
We remember that theremembering self forgets a lot
and we focus on being fullypresent and actively engaged

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with our senses, not fuckingaround with multitasking which
isn't even real, where we'reputting our precious attention,
how we're feeling, how we'removing through the world, and
not just ping-ponging in pastand future.
Because when we cultivate thepractice of staying in the
discomfort, in the moment, inall of it, we are way harder to
manipulate this is.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
This is the beauty of the human brain right of being
able to imagine andconceptualize.
It's the beauty and it's theterror, it's the blessing and
it's the curse.
The ability to re-perceive thepast, but also every
re-perception of the past, iswe're getting a little bit
further away from what actuallyhappened, and that can be great

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and that can be terrible.
The possibility of retconningthe past actually happened, and
that can be great and that canbe terrible, right, like the
possibility of retconning thepast in ways that are generative
and useful and positive.
And then there are ways ofdoing it that are just like
damaging and terrible, thatexcuse inexcusable behavior and
all of this kind of stuff.
But there's also the how do Iput this?
So one of the things that helpswith memory is to be fully

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present and to understand thatyou are wanting to remember this
exactly how it is right.
So like.
I have this memory with anex-boyfriend we were hiking in
one of the cook county forestpreserve areas around chicago
and the light was beautiful.
It was like november orsomething.
The light was really nice.
Beautiful.
It was like November orsomething.

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The light was really nice.
The woods were all like all.
The trees were naked, the skywas very blue, the wind was like
that perfect temperature ofwind, and the way that the light
through the naked trees washitting his hair as I was
walking behind him was justamazing.
And I had this moment of beinglike.
I really want to remember this.
This is aesthetically perfect.
If I was an animator, I wouldaspire to creating an animated

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scene.
That is this, and because I washyper present in that moment, I
have that memory clear as dayin my brain.
Yeah, I don't even talk to thatperson anymore.
Yeah, right, but it's thatintensity of presence and it's
not, it's not a nostalgia as inwow, everything was perfect.
Then.
It's like that was a momentthat was really amazing and

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there's something about wonderthat takes us out of our
interpretations of experience.
That makes for, I think, truermemories.
But so much of memory is aboutinterpreting our experience, not
about, like Reeve's, touchingpresence.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Right, exactly In my work as a coach, that's a big
part of what we're doing iscultivating presence, practicing
presence and noticing, you know, that, that same dynamic of oh
how, how much are we in the pastand in the future I think it
was like Thich Nhat Hanh thatcalled it called regret too much

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past, anxiety, too much future.
And so what is it to be here inthe present and what can we see
here and what can we do here?
And to know that to be presentis, I think it's like Rebecca
Sona, like from one of myfavorite books, a field guide to
getting lost, talks about likebeing fully present is to be
capable of being in uncertaintyand mystery, that sort of

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inherent risk or discomfort inin presence.
And that if we were to be fullypresent and I say that knowing
that it's like a spectrum andnot a fixed point, but that like
we would have to risk thatdiscomfort, we would have to

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risk that, that like the loss orthe possibility of getting lost
, of being lost, but what'sinteresting is when you're
really present.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
I was just talking with somebody, like one of my
mentees, about this recently.
Yeah, like whenever.
So like I'm an astrologer aslike that's my quote, unquote
day job, right, like that's whatI do in terms of like the
modality that I primarily use,but I wouldn't necessarily say
that astrology, specifically, ismy vocation.
It's the way that I do myvocation, right.

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But you know astrology like.
One of its use cases is to be,able to see what the upcoming
celestial weather is and what'sfavorable or unfavorable to do
in those time periods and whenyou are engaging with the future
through that anxiety andcontrol lens.
Then there's also this desire tomake sure you're capitalizing

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on whatever is comingenergetically, as described by
astrology, and like doing theright things.
And if you do the right thingsthen maybe you won't get in
trouble, and if you don't get introuble you won't die.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
How did we get get there?
But there's also something to uhfeeling from like the to be in
a hyper present moment and fromthat presence to like kind of

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wiggle your fingers out into thefuture.
You're actually much more ableto assess what to do, when, and
then you can layer on theastrology to be like okay, so
thematically, this might be someof what I'm dealing with.
Or it would be good to makesure I have rain boots for

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jupiter and cancer or somethinglike that.
Right, because the presentmoment, while there is a lot of
uncertainty, there's also amassive amount of possibility,
and and when you're fullypresent, you are actually better
able to feel into thepossibilities and potentialities
in their spectrum, and not justfrom the perspective of I'm

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anxious and want to controlthings Right.
It's more like I'm curious andI want to see what I could do.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
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You're talking about embracingthat possibility.
It's like that flexibility.
I had an old doula friend whowould talk about working with
her clients and how some wouldreally cling to, like okay,

(25:11):
here's my birth plan, here'swhat it's going to be, here's
how we're going to do it Right,and she would be like well,
that's great, I'm glad that youhave that, that's beautiful,
that you have that, that'sbeautiful.
And the most, maybe the mostimportant thing is for you to
cultivate some sense of like,flexibility, of possibility,
that many things could happenright, and it may look just like

(25:36):
your plan like, and it mightlook a million different ways,
and so don't cling to the plan.
The clinging to that veryspecific this is how we are
going to control this totallyuncontrollable thing which I
always was like, yeah, whetheryou're talking about birth or
just living right, like we can'tcontrol, and it's almost.

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Like you know, I introducedthis idea of wanting to do the

(26:20):
theme of this season, giving itthe theme of rebellion, but be
invited to practice, and maybehave been invited to practice
for some time now.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
Yeah, right, and I think one of those tools is
trust.
Yes, yes, yes, yes because somuch of attempting to control
how things unfurl, trying tocontrol outcomes, is mistrust in
your ability to deal withthings other than what you have
planned.
It's also mistrust of otherpeople, it's mistrust of life

(26:54):
right, and this is where it getsreally, you know, interesting,
where I think one of the mostrebellious things that we can do
in these times and in thisculture that is so deeply death
phobic, yes, which is to fullyembrace not just the reality but

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the necessity of death,literally and metaphorically
speaking, because so much of theattempts to control are
attempts to not die.
Yes, and like this is evensomething that we see in really
intense evangelical christianity, where the focus is eternal
life, that is to say, literallybeing a cancer, and we see this

(27:36):
in the entire tech bro that one,that one, that one guy who's
like spending like two milliondollars a year on eternal youth
or whatever.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Oh yeah, and getting 500 injections into like his
testicles every day, I'm likewow, I don't even understand.
I mean that might have been why, like if that's gonna be your
whole life like.
That's a terrible quality oflife yeah, I mean, these are
like the folks who are likewe're gonna go live in space.
I'm like, well, great, have fungetting like the poop sucked
out of you, like every like.
That's like it's a real grimexperience, right.

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But it's like this weird ideaof like somehow like well, we're
going to beat the thing.
And I don't know if you listenedto the episode from my last
season, death Boop with a sideof death cult.
No, but I'm going to.
Yes, please do.
Yes, yeah, I talk about terrormanagement theory and I talk

(28:28):
about Sheldon Solomon's work andexistential experimental
psychology.
But all of this about and I justreached out to Sheldon Solomon,
he's going to be a guest, butyou know, his work was all about
this is all about understandingand it's based on Ernest Becker
, who was an anthropologist'swork that was looking at the

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Western civilizationrelationship, civilization-wide
relationship, death and life andexactly what you're saying,
that like in our anxiety, ourdeath anxiety, where we turn and
one of the things that we turnto besides our relationships and

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like sort of the relationshipsthat are inside of our cultural
worldview, and we double down,and there's this entire wing of
psychology looking at how deathawareness affects us and the
ways in which we respond on apsychological, unconscious,
psychological level, and thatdoubling down and I read this

(29:30):
initial article and I talk aboutthis in the episode, but, like
at the beginning of the firstyear of COVID, and it gave me so
much perspective for everythingthat followed after, because I
was like, oh, here we aredoubling down on our cultural
worldview and like, depending onwhat you're, what the pool, the
pond you're swimming in, right,we've got pluriversality, many

(29:52):
worlds within this one worldthat is going to shape what you
understand as as like what yourvalues are.
And then, when you're confrontedwith these subtle death
reminders or just like deathawareness, right, and this I'm
really excited to talk toSheldon now at like, rise of
fascism that has been rising forquite some time.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
Yes, it's, it's, it's a fully out of the ground.
Now, though, it's not just aseed under the soil.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Totally, and then witnessing a genocide live
streamed, that level of comingout of COVID, right, that level
of death awareness and thenunderstanding, like looking out
in the world and being withanyone who's like, how did this
happen?
I'm like, bless your heart thatlike this is only just now
catching you.
But this is, you know, what yousaid about that, that rejection

(30:42):
of death, right it's.
It's that self cling to likewhat what Sheldon and his
colleagues and many folks now inthis death awareness work call
like self-esteem, and it's alittle bit, you know, different
than how we might use it in more, like you know, sort of modern
meaning of self-esteem, but itis how we see ourselves as

(31:04):
people of value in a world ofmeaning and so that like
connection there and thatclinging again right and there's
very little curiosity.
I think inside of that therecan't be, there can't be
curiosity.
I don't even think there canreally be a ton of presence.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
No, it's a negation of reality Exactly, and when
you're negating reality, youcan't ask questions about it.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Pathetic earthlings.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Hurling your bodies out into the void and you can't
be present with it because it'snot allowed to exist.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Even what you said about trust, which, like
self-trust, when people come todo work with me and it's like,
oh, I want to be, I want to feelmore like um, confident, more
assured, more empowered, morewhatever, you know, it's like
always comes down to self-trust.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Do you trust yourself to deal with the consequences
of your actions, positive ornegative, or neutral?

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Yeah, and most people don't.
And so that's what we build,because it is learnable, it is
buildable, it is a practice,it's practicable and so this
actually brings me to anotherthing that I think is profoundly
rebellious.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
Yeah, becoming a grown up what, what, what, what,
what, what?
Yes, becoming an actual, anactual adult.
So not like not teenagereactivity, but the adults like.
I'm in a solid relationshipwith myself, I know what my
needs are, I know what my limitsare, I know what my preferences

(32:32):
are, and I am making choicesthat are in honor of those
things on all of the levels thatare relevant, as many of the
levels that are relevant aspossible, and that's inclusive
of accepting the external limitsthat exist, such as nobody gets
out of life alive.
There.
There isn't a winning.
Where you don't die Like,winning is dying well and

(32:56):
leaving behind like positiveinfluence in your wake.
That's the winning, yeah Right.
And like positive influence inyour wake.
That's the winning, yeah Right.
And like, which means livingwell, right.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
And you don't live well If you are living from a
child mentality when you are anadult no, no it's impossible,
right, and I I think thismaturity, part of what was was
sort of simmering this theme forme for a while was working with
one client.

(33:26):
I mean as an activist, I alwaysthink about rebellion, but like
the idea of the mature rebel,right, the maturity.
And another beautiful human I'mgoing to interview this season
is Julia Fradal, and she's ateacher of mine and I've been
working with her for over 10years and so much of that work

(33:47):
was like my own inner rebel andhow to really be in relationship
with that part of myself in away that she could grow, she
could mature, she could evolve,she could just become.
And that's been.
When I look at social justicemovements now and everything,

(34:07):
you know that that used to be.
There was no like pick up yourphone and see it you know what I
?
mean like it wasn't thataccessible.
And and looking at it now andbeing able to see, like in
call-out culture and indifferent ways in which I'm like
, oh, I understand where that'scoming from.
It's not from a mature place.
And I don't mean like, oh,you're being so immature, it's
just like, oh right, there's alot of pain there, there's a lot

(34:29):
of hurt parts raising theirhand asking for attention.
And for me, when you say, likebecoming an adult, it's like
being able to turn to thoseparts all along the way, even
you know, maybe're graceful,maybe we're just messy as fuck,
both and everything in between,but to be able to turn to those

(34:49):
parts in ourselves and then Ithink, like in in community and
be able to like be adults witheach other.
That's some of the work I didwith my partner a couple of
years ago and I was like, oh, Ithink we might be getting a
divorce.
We've been together for almost20 years.
And I was like, oh shit, thingsare not going well and it was
because we weren't meeting eachother as adults.

(35:10):
Right, we were really in thislike child, parent dynamic and
kind of doing that work to meeteach other there, right, and I
hear that in your story, thatthat competition, that jealousy,
that envy that like I'm gonna,you know, like I'm going to get
you, instead of like Seth, goingoff and being like wait, what's

(35:31):
what's my match, look likewhat's important to me, what,
what do I want in the world?
Right, what were you saying?
Like the dying well, the livingwell, like that this, that
story I'm so glad that you toldthat one Cause I know you've got
like catalog.
They all would have been right,but that that like I'm going to,
I'm going to get you right.

(35:52):
Like wait.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
Which actually doesn't give you what you want.
This is the thing.
This is one of the things Ithink about.
Like being an adult and beingmature is to like listen to the
parts that are in distress, yeah, and not stop at the surface
level distress Drop off here.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Here's a bottomless pit, baby Two and a half miles
straight down.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
Sometimes a toddler is melting down because they're
hungry, sometimes it's becausethey're tired, sometimes it's
because their shoe fits weird,right, like.
But if you're just trying to belike shut up kid, you're never
actually meeting the underlyingneed, which means that the
satisfaction that is beingsought isn't fulfilled.
It's not fulfillment to destroy, right, it's like to just

(36:40):
destroy understanding that everynew thing made, every, every
born thing, is killing something.
It's killing the world thatexisted before the born thing
was born, at minimum, right, butyou know to be able to interact
with each other in ways like tointeract with ourselves and
then to interact with others.
Of just like, hey, it seemslike you're really hurting right

(37:00):
now.
Of just like, hey, it seemslike you're really hurting right
now Even just using theprinciple of halt from conflict
navigation.
Are you hungry?
Are you angry?
Are you lonely?
Are you tired?
Do you need a hug?
Do you need a nap?
Do you need a snack?
Do you need to punch a pillow?
What do you need in order to getthe loud part met and heard,

(37:25):
not to stifle it, but so that itcan be calm enough that we can
interact with the deeper needsthat need to be addressed and
that need to be honored, right,like that to me, like so much I
think of, like there's, there'sall of this stuff of how you
need to work on yourself, andlike your self-work is the most
important.
And it's like that's true ifyou're not only navel gazing and
excusing your behavior.
It's true if it's actuallyfacilitating your maturation

(37:48):
process and being able to engage, as an adult, with the world,
because when you're an adult,you have more agency and
influence over the world.
You're not saying fuck you dad.
You're saying, oh, I see,that's what you're doing.
I don't want to do that.
I'm going to do this instead,even if that this is radically
different from what is expectedof you societally, like

(38:10):
governmentally, like whatever.
If you don't have self-trust,if you don't have
self-relationship, to say what Itruly want is worthy and I know
that this is what I truly wantbecause I've gone through the
ringer of assessing and I'mwilling to be proven wrong.
If I get what I want and it'snot what I want, that's fine.

(38:32):
I will move on to the nextthing I want.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
Yes, cause I trust I can only make, continue to make
the right decision for myself.
The idea that we make decisionsas adults right, I was an
activist and then I was likeWhoa, this outer work is great,
but look at us all asindividuals, really struggling
and not knowing ourselves Like.
I think if we know what changefeels like in our own body, we

(38:57):
might be better at making changeout in the world.
Right.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
That's actually how you change worldview.
You don't change worldviewthrough ideology.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
You change worldview through the body yes, yeah, and
that that like right there waswhat guided me in, in my
direction, and it's like all ofthe inner work that I do with
folks.
Yes, it's the self-reflectionwhich, like we're in our hermit
year, there's, you know,certainly a fair amount of
astrology pointing us always inthat like sort of self

(39:26):
reflection work and so importantfor us to not just do the navel
gazey stuff and like anyonewith self-awareness, without
tools or action, is just goingto be like that guy Right, and
then anyone with just like a tonof tools, you know, but with no
self-awareness, is going to bethat.
So we need, we need both andit's like it's practice Right

(39:46):
and I think there's somethingabout like a softness or a
forgiveness or and I thinkthat's where trust comes in big
time and her permission to behuman.
Yes, yes, yes, exactly thatright, that softness of like,
that forgiveness, that like.
But it's a practice right andwe're going to get it.
You know, wrong a lot and I andwhen I say wrong I mean I don't

(40:07):
actually believe we can get itwrong I believe that like, if
we're attempting and we know howto repair with each other,
right.
This is another thing that Ithink is a big part of becoming
an adult.
In this maturation is therepair right, and that's like
where we get in, in in our workand in in self-reflective,
self-awareness work.
We get a lot, we have a lot ofroom and we're just little Petri

(40:29):
dishes of experimentation withrepair.
We can learn to practice withourselves and practice then in
our relationships and thatability to be like okay, well, I
, I made this decision and I putall my eggs in this basket and
I went for it and either it wasreally great or it was all for
cockta or somewhere in between.

(40:50):
And that's okay, right, likethat's the permission to be
human and I feel like there's somuch inside of our culture of
pathologizing that keeps us andlike, keeps us in this like
right and wrong keeps us in therush, keeps us in this like
productivity hamster wheel andit's based on, you know, making

(41:13):
right and wrong decisions forour lives.
Yes, and I think that thatkeeps us from maturing.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Yeah also avoid mistakes is to avoid growth.
What's that like to live?

Speaker 1 (41:25):
deliciously.
Yeah, you have to risk.
Right, we have to risk and wehave to risk with each other,
and I see people doing it a lot,but I I see a lot of risking,
but like risking with likerighteousness.
I see this a lot in socialjustice spaces, which are also
I'm not saying I'm outside ofthose spaces or I reject those

(41:46):
spaces, I'm in them but there'sa righteousness like a
commitment to being right, whichis a central tenet of supremacy
culture.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
Yes, yes, right the necessity to be right and the
punishability of being wrong isliterally a foundation, like it
is a core, spine Core tenet.
Within supremacy cultures, andso this is part of why letting
yourself be wrong, givingyourself the permission to be

(42:17):
wrong and then meeting yourselfwith kindness when the
consequences of your actionsaren't what you wanted, yeah,
and to also then engage withthat quote, unquote mistake with
curiosity so you can learn fromit and make meaning from it,
like that is activeanti-supremacist behavior.
It is, and if you can't do itwith yourself, it's going to be

(42:40):
hard to do it sincerely withothers.
Right and like.
This is one of these things.
There are so many people whoare like other people are
allowed to make mistakes, butI'm not, and it's like are other
people actually allowed to makemistakes, or are other people
making mistakes, giving youpermission to feel superior and
so that's why it's okay?
Yeah, like evacuating the needto be superior is one of the

(43:03):
most rebellious things you cando.
It's like who cares about whois better than other people,
except supremacist culture?

Speaker 1 (43:11):
yeah, I mean, I noticed it on the daily, like in
my own practice, even in themost subtle ways, noticing that
the hierarchy right and we'vecreated an entire culture,
obviously through social media,sort of gamifying this hierarchy
.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Fire, fire, burn it down, Fire, fire to the ground.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
And like feeling that compulsion Well, I should have
my thing out there, there's thisthing that I wanna make and I
wanna put out in the world andlike that person has just put
something out and like I shouldhave something out.
I mean like I just notice itconstantly and like what it
takes me, crying on my couchsome days very intensely, to be
like I don't want to participatein that.

(43:55):
That the thing you said likethe most rebellious thing you
can do, it's like sometimesbeing a rebel is just fucking
crying about how much it hurtsto not participate in the way
that we've been designed andprogrammed and conditioned to
participate.
Because it does hurt.

(44:16):
Yes, is there liberation in it?
Sure, is it terrifying?
It's scary, absolutely.
Is it painful?
Yes, ma'am, right.
And to like be able to be withthat pain and not run away from
it all the way.
I try sometimes right, we all doto like turn back around

(44:39):
towards it and recognize it forwhat it is.
Like I am choosing to notparticipate in this pathology,
in this pathologizing, in thissupremacy, in this rightness, in
this wrongness, in thisrighteousness, and it doesn't
immediately make me feel awesome.
That is that maturity right Tolike recognize, like, oh right,

(45:00):
I'm not getting a cookie at theend of all of this.
Nope, the living well sometimesit's.
It's not the same as, like youknow, I think, what we get a lot
of programming around of, likewhat living well looks like,
right, it's not an aestheticized, like perfect little casita

(45:21):
with like the most exquisiteantique sinks and, like I don't
know, a very handsome pool boyright Like.
I mean, all that sounds greatbut that's not necessarily the
consequences.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
It's like like living well.
What does it mean to live Well?
It's actually a reallyimportant question to ask and
I'm having like 14 differentideas emerge, right.
But, like, I want to bringastrology into this just a
little bit, because one of thethings that we're talking about
here is the necessity of thequote unquote malefics,
especially Saturn.
Like Saturn is maturation, andtrue maturation is rarely a

(46:00):
party experience, because it isthis right sizing of reality.
It's like having to accept yourlimitations but also having to
accept your power, which I thinkfor a lot of people, it's
actually much more scary toaccept the genuine quantity and
quality of power they have thanit is to accept the ways in

(46:20):
which they are constrained,because constraints give you
something to fight against.
They give you an identityrooted in negation, yeah, but
power requires you to createidentity of affirmation, that is
to say, this is the hill I'mstanding on, this is the
sovereignty that I haveascertained to be relevant to

(46:42):
myself, and how I'm going toapply that for my own and others
benefit.
Power comes with responsibility.
It's like freedom withoutresponsibility is merely license
.
I forget who said that, but Iam not the originator of that
phrase said that, but I am notthe originator of that phrase.

(47:06):
It's like, yeah, so there'ssomething about the maturation
process, which also thenrequires actually having
developed strength to be mature,right?
So even just thinking aboutlike titration, it's like, okay,
you're experimenting withunsubscribing from a particular
expression of hierarchicalaffirmation in the form of
social media, and there's goingto be a lot of intense
discomfort and you can titratethat, right, like I love using

(47:31):
the metaphors of working out forthis kind of thing, because
it's like if you have zero upperbody strength because you've
never done upper body worktraining, it doesn't mean that
you can't ever have upper bodystrength.
It does mean that you're goingto have days, if you're actually
developing upper body strength,where you feel like you're
going to drop your coffee cupbecause your shoulders hurt yeah

(47:51):
, but over time you becomestronger, yeah, right, all of
the like.
So much of this is also Jupiterstuff the belief in the
possibility of growth, thereality of growth, yeah, static,
what is it?
It's like growth culture versusthe other one.
I forget what the other, theother one, was in this, in this

(48:12):
dyad, but it's like.
Growth culture says that changeis always already happening and
you can be an activeparticipant in your change,
whereas like static culture,whatever it is, is like things
just are the way they are andthere's nothing you can do.
One of these is very useful forthe continuity of oppression
structures.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
One of these is very right now and being told that,
like, you know, this is, this iswho exists and this is who does
not exist.
And we're being told by peoplewho, like, clearly have very
little understanding or interestin any of the roots of anything
, that they're talking aboutRight, and so they're coming

(49:18):
from whatever's going to workfor them to like, help them feel
more powerful, have theexperience of power over Right,
which is just like one aspect ofthe experience of power, and
and then all of us are caught init.
The quote that's just goingaround do not obey in advance,
timothy Snyder and seeing somany folks share that, so many

(49:40):
folks share that and like, I'mcurious about, like, as you're
looking to sort of like ourastrological moment here of
putting into context this ideaof rebellion being different
than revolution.
There's a beautiful quote fromGrace Lee Boggs.
She says rebellion is a stage inthe development of revolution.

(50:02):
But it is not revolution.
It's an important stage becauseit represents the standing up
of the oppressed.
Rebellions break the threadsthat have been holding the
system together and thrown toquestion its legitimacy and the
supposed permanence of existinginstitutions.
A rebellion disrupts thesociety, but it doesn't provide
what is necessary to make arevolution and establish an

(50:23):
entire new social order.
To make a revolution, peoplemust not only struggle against
existing institutions, they mustmake a philosophical, spiritual
leap and become more human,human beings.
In order to change, transformthe world, they must change,
transform themselves, and so beit.

(50:45):
And so what would I take fromthat?
A million things.
But like this idea of being arebellion right Of of practicing
rebellions, knowing that likethey all add up and so, as we've
been talking, and this idea ofhow we, you know, do not, obey
in advance right, like how weare also stepping into our own
maturity and what that actuallymeans for how we participate in

(51:10):
honoring, you know, as Grace LeeBoggs was saying, those like
recognizing those old systemsand knowing that they need to be
transformed through our ownspiritual growth and and that we
are going to be kept in a lotof busyness, a lot of overwhelm

(51:31):
right, I think they call it likeflooding the space, so that we
are just like in reactionarymode, there's no space to be
present and with everythingcoming up and from your
perspective and from the spacethat you're holding, like, where
can we, how can we I mean, Iknow I feel like this has been
our entire conversation leveragewhat's ahead of us planetarily

(51:55):
and relationally to, to stepinto that, to step into that
maturation, to step into, like,the power.
That is not just like power over, but power with.
You know, that is not justparticipating in the hierarchy,
but rebelling and disrupting itand dismantling it little by
little.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
Then, all of a sudden , so there's this 12-month
period, inclusive of a littlebit of last fall and then going
into this year.
We have a very unique situationof several outer planets, like
the larger, slower-movingplanets, moving into new signs

(52:37):
and forming aspects with eachother, which is rare.
This is a very rarecircumstance, and so it's like
the sensation that a lot ofpeople are having of like.
I don't know how to plananything.
It's like well, that's becausewe don't actually know what the
territory will feel like in sixmonths time.
Right, and three of thoseplanets Pluto moved into
Aquarius.

(52:57):
Neptune, alongside Saturn, isgoing to move into Aries and
Uranus is going to move intoGemini.
Pluto brings us into directrelationship with power
structure and power applicationsand power assertions.
Neptune brings us intorelationship with the erosions
of things and mirages and thatsort of thing.

(53:21):
Uranus brings us intorelationship with the fuck Right
Would be one way of putting it.
And those those, those threeplanets.
Yeah, they're all going to beaspecting each other using
aspects that are called flowingaspects or easy aspects, the
sextiles and the trine.
That is to say, there's a lotof lubrication between the
energies of these planets, likeplenty oh lube, plenty oh lube,

(53:45):
right I love the way youastrologize.
Thank, you and these are planetsthat don't care about you.
These are not planets that arelike they are.
They are neutral to humankindand oftentimes they are bringing
in or associated with thingsthat are actually quite

(54:07):
overwhelming for an individualsystem to deal with, to navigate
.
And, alongside all of this,saturn's moving into Aries and
Jupiter's moving into Cancer.
Aries and Cancer are both signsthat are initiation signs.
They are the beginnings ofseasons.
They are like the technicalword is, they are cardinal signs
.
Yeah, jupiter has a lot ofpower in Cancer.

(54:31):
According to traditionalastrology, saturn feels really I
don't really like this in Aries, right?
So Jupiter is the planet ofbelief and possibility and
foundations and fat bottom girlswho make the rockin' world go
round, and Saturn is the planetof are you going to grow the
fuck up?
So this configuration of theselarger outer planetary cycles,

(54:56):
if I try to distill this down toa single recommendation that I
would feel comfortableprovisioning to basically anyone
and everyone, a singlerecommendation that I would feel
comfortable provisioning tobasically anyone and everyone,
it's whatever the fuck you cando to get into a right
relationship with your ownnervous system, not a soporific
relationship, right?
Not a like we need to justdampen this, but anything and

(55:16):
everything you can do toincrease your capacity for
experience, your capacity foremotion, your capacity for
emotion, your capacity forpossibility, your capacity for
acknowledging your power.
Do that Because the betterrelationship you have with your
nervous system, the betterrelationship you have with being

(55:38):
able to just like click in withyourself and to have an honest
conversation with your body, thebetter able you are to navigate
what is coming.
Yeah, right, Like right nowfeels very uncertain.
Because right now is veryuncertain.
There's a lot of shifting,shitty shifting.

(55:58):
Some of it is shitty, some of itis not shitty, it is not shitty
.
Chaos is the beginning of life.
Right before the cosmos emerged, there was chaos and out of
chaos this paradise we callearth emerged.
So part of it, part of likeclicking in, being with yourself
, like being able to, likesettle your nervous system

(56:22):
enough, go touch.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
Like literally go touch grass right, literally go
fondle a plant, you know fondlea plant.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Go, put your back against a tree and ask that tree
to take some of your extraenergy.
They will be very most of themwill be very happy to do so, oh
my gosh, connie, it's great tosee you.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
It's been a minute.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
I just wanted to drop in here.
I love Venus, isn't she intense?
And I've been really enjoyingyou and I's conversation.
I just love this part aboutleaning on rocks and connecting
with elements in this way.

(57:06):
Most people don't know what agag or little silly these rocks
really are.
They give the impression ofbeing very stable, which is a
great part of the personality,but they're all very goofy.
Truly great partners forenergetic accompaniment, for

(57:29):
energetic support.
Diana is a real hoot.
Also, I just want to say thatwhile you think you might just
be fondling the plants, theplants are dead and they're
fondling.
You Just be fondling the plants.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Plants are dead.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
And they're fondling you.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
Connie, I always hoped that that's what was
really happening with plants andfondling.
We were fondling each other andI suspected this about rocks.
And yes, Diana is a hoot In thebest, most brilliant way.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Thanks for stopping by oh you bet.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
And for those of you who don't know, this is Connie
the Quantum Worm we met inseason two and I'm so glad
they're back for season three.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
And who got a two.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
Ask for consent, but they'll be.
Really, most of them are verydown for this right.
The Stones also Totally fine.
I'll absorb as much as you havelike your like.
When you feel like it's toomuch, give some of it back to
the earth and then, when youhave off, gassed the excess,
come back into the honesty oflike your heart in the present

(58:41):
moment and move from that place.
Whatever the hell you need todo to be able to do that is what
you can, is one of the mostimportant things you can do,
because you know you mentionedthe whole like spiritual growth
thing at one point while youwere speaking, and M Scott Peck
as, who is one of the peoplecited like vociferously by

(59:05):
Audrey.
Lorde or by Bell Hooks, excuseme.
His definition of love is to bean active contributor to your
own and another's spiritualgrowth.
Yes, that is love.
Yes, growth, yes, that is love.
And you cannot be participatingin loving rebellion if you

(59:29):
aren't also thinking in terms ofwhat does spiritual growth mean
?

Speaker 1 (59:40):
yeah, no notes, diana , no notes the end, bye everyone
yeah, yes, I don't actuallyhave anything to say after that
because it's, this is, this isit I mean, this is, this is
where we are and everythinginside of you know, growth and

(01:00:01):
and knowing that it is risky, itis uncomfortable, right?
And what you're saying aboutthe nervous system nervous
system resilience work is is notjust a coming to some, like you
know, like always on, likealways, on an anti-anxiety

(01:00:22):
medication to the point that youdon't have feelings right, just
like some level of like sort ofneutral, tuned out blissfulness
, right like that's.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
No, it's like we're talking about engagement, being
able to be present, to be inrelation exactly because this is
actually one of the mostimportant, like this actually
was a realization I had when Iwas out in the desert for a
couple of months, which is adefinition of healing that I
find richer and richer thelonger I hold it.
Healing is increasing theability to be in relation.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Yes, I remember you saying that recently in the
living systems space.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
With yourself, with the world, with humans, with
non-human people, like the crowthat's hanging out on my roof,
with the spiders that oh yeah,I've got a hawk hanging out
right up there on the power linelike watching through the
window here with other, likealso with people you don't even
like with people you don't evenknow right, with people like I.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Say this all the time it's like warmth, kindness,
love to people you'll never meetright, because it matters it
does because, it matters it does.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
Yeah, and you.
The more you do it, the morecapacity you have for it.
So whatever sounds impossiblenow, it sounds impossible now
because you don't currently havethe capacity for it, but your
capacity can change.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Yeah, capacity is, is is growable.
This is the thing and I and Ithink that feels really like
hard when we're in overwhelm,right, and so that piece of like
, whatever we need to do to liketend to ourselves and our
nervous system so that we arenot just operating in that like
simmering over overwhelmed,because then we have no capacity
for healthy nose.
We have no.
We have diminished, greatlydiminished capacity then for

(01:02:11):
being in relationship, cause ifyou have no healthy nose, you're
not going to be an adult,you're not in a mature
relationship, there's no trueconsent.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
If no, can't be a participant.
Yeah, right, yeah, thank you.
Thank you, dana.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
I always love talking with you.
I love talking with you.
I could listen all day and playall day with our hearts and our
thoughts, and it's like we aregoing to.
I feel like what I get from youis watching you, like, yes, I

(01:02:47):
love your storytelling and andthe way you interpret and think
and feel, and what I witnessedfrom you, too, is also
everything that you were justsaying, which is like oh right,
I just understood this.
Like this stuff and this newdefinition of, of, of growth, of
love.
I've watched you like digthrough the, the like stickiness

(01:03:12):
of existence, and consistentlybe curious about it and that,
and and consistently like likeopening up to new things, then
being like oh well, god, Ithought that.
And then like, oh, that didchange over time and thank you
like for modeling it, not justtalking it and saying it, but

(01:03:34):
also like modeling theexperiment yeah, something.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
I feel like the only way to actually know something
is to know it through your ownphysical body.
Yes, which I won't say isuniversally true, because I
don't know if anything isuniversally true.
Really, it's above my pay gradeto claim right, yeah, same, but
I don't like talking aboutstuff that I don't have a body

(01:04:00):
know with.
Yeah, because body know is howit's real.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Yeah, Otherwise, it's just an idea and maybe it's a
fine idea Cute and lovely andamazing yeah.
Yeah, but maybe just keeprooting them through our bodies
and in relationship in that wayand then with each other.
Thank you, and thank you forsharing all of this with the,
with the cry babiesies here inthe jacuzzi.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
What a great place to hang out.
I love jacuzzis.
They're so bubbly gorgeous crybabies.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
If you are hungry for more diana, go to the show
notes.
She'll also be presenting atthe first la astro fest the last
weekend of April.
Overall, it's aimed at beingaccessible to all levels of
astro enthusiasts and there willbe a fun clowny performance by

(01:05:13):
Planets, planets, planets aspart of the festivities
laastrofestcom.
Find Diana there.
If this episode swirledsomething in you, please share
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Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Five stars.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
And a written review.
Send me the name of your reviewand I'll add you to the monthly
raffle for a free coachingsession with me.
Subscribing, rating andreviewing are amazing and they
help us out immensely.
And you, listening, you sharingwith your community is the very
best thing that we in theJacuzziverse could hope for.

(01:06:18):
So thank you, crybabies, thankyou for your support for so.
Thank you, crybabies, thank youfor your support.
Earworm theme music by the verytalented Kat Otteson, sound
design and editing magic by theeffervescent Rose Blakelock.
Keep questioning, keep feeling,keep rebelling in all the ways

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that matter.
And remember the jacuzzi iseverywhere.
At any moment you could enterinto the version of
non-normative consciousness thatis jacuzzi consciousness.
Thank you.

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