Cryonics Underground

Cryonics Underground

The Cryonics Underground podcast explores the fascinating and underappreciated world of Cryonics - the process of pausing your biological functions at the moment of legal death with the goal of reviving you in the future. Join us for in-depth discussions on the scientific, social, philosophical, technological, and political implications of this unique and extraordinary experiment. Featuring leaders in the Cryonics industry alongside futurists, philosophers, scientists, and many others. Get ready to travel on this remarkable journey with us. And remember, it could literally save your life!


November 29, 2022 30 min

In this special episode, Max Marty is speaking with return guest host Nikki Olson about the launch of the great Cryonics Survey of 2022. The Cryonics Survey is a large comprehensive survey of Cryonicists, the Cryocurious, and Cryocrastinators; intended to improve our understanding of the people most interested in this audacious endeavor.

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In this episode Max and Daniel speak with Kai Micah Mills. Kai is the Founder of Cryopets, the first company focused on pet cryopreservation. Before founding Cryopets, Kai founded and ran several entrepreneurial ventures the tech space. 

In this episode we discuss: 

  • Kai's history as a tech entrepreneur
  • His views on the value (or lack thereof) of traditional schooling
  • Growing up religious, and the impact of a religious background
  • The...
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    In this episode Max and Daniel speak with Carrie Radomski, President & Board Member of the Lifespan Society of British Columbia.

    Carrie is a geoscientist, writer, artist, crypto enthusiast, gold explorer (yes, the kind that goes looking for gold in the Yukon), and much more.

    In this episode we discuss: 

  • The Lifespan Society
  • Carrie and her family's long legacy of contrarianism 
  • Her varied political leanings, past and present
  • Carri...
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    To celebrate coming back from our short hiatus, today we bring you our first bonus episode! This is the audio version of the new cryonics YouTube series: The Cryosphere Roundtable.

    The question we discuss today is: 

  • What books should every cryonicist read?

  • The inaugural episode of a regularly occurring discussion amongst the mods of the The Cryosphere Discord channel. Every month we'll be discussing a different cryonics topic. Occ...

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    On this episode of the podcast, Max is joined by special guest host and previous guest, Nikki Olson.

    For the first time, we're are also publishing the video of our full conversation over on Youtube! You can find it at :

    Today, Max and Nikki are speaking with long time Cryonicist Robin Hanson. Robin is an associate professor of Economics at George Mason University and a research ass...

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    February 23, 2022 167 min

    In this episode, Max and Daniel speak with Patrick Harris, the CEO and President of Alcor. Patrick is speaking with us today on several major new initiatives he's been working on over the past several months. We'll be doing both a reveal of Patrick's new initiatives along with a deep dive into the thinking and goals behind them.

    Before his role at Alcor, Patrick was a healthcare executive, innovator, and business strateg...

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    In this episode Max and Daniel speak with the venerable Ralph Merkle. Among his numerous achievements Ralph is the leading expert on nanotechnology, the inventor of cryptographic hashing and the co-inventor of public key cryptography. He is currently a board member at Alcor.    

    In today's episode we discuss:

  • What is Molecular Nanotechnology?
  • How do different people use the phrase "Nano-Tech"
  • The use cases for medical nanob...
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    January 12, 2022 91 min

    In this episode, Max and Daniel speak with the legendary Ben Best. Among the numerous cryonics and life extension groups he has been associated with over the years, Ben is most known for being the former president of the Cryonics Institute from 2003 to 2012.

    He is a senior member of a cryonics Teens and Twenties group, and he’s currently the director of research and oversight at the biomedical research & longevity society, forme...

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    November 18, 2021 152 min

    In this episode Max and Daniel speak with Lisa Harris. Lisa is an Alcor member and an advisor to the board of directors. She is also on Alcor's legal and regulatory committee as well as the research and development committee.  Lisa has a background as an attorney, and currently works in healthcare research technology. 

    In today's conversation we discuss: Trusts and their usefulness to Cryoncists + Lisa and Patrick Harris...

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    October 27, 2021 148 min

    In this episode Max and Daniel speak with Eric Vogt. Eric is a veteran paramedic, a pilot and one of the two co-founders of I.C.E. - International Cryomedicine Experts. I.C.E is a highly experienced standby, stabilization and transportation company.

    In today's conversation we discuss:

  • What I.C.E does, and how their organization benefits cryonics.
  • Eric's background and how he came to work with Aaron Drake
  • A refresher on Standby,...
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    Gennady Stolyarov II (G. Stolyarov II) became the second Chairman in the history of the Transhumanist Party in November 2016. Mr. Stolyarov is an actuary,  independent philosophical essayist, science-fiction novelist, poet, amateur mathematician, composer, and Editor-in-Chief of The Rational Argumentator, a magazine championing the principles of reason, rights, and progress. Mr. Stolyarov regularly produces YouTube Videos discussin...

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    August 19, 2021 109 min

    Joseph Kowalsky is a long-time Cryonicist and Officer at the Cryonics’s Institute’s leadership team. Joseph is also a financial consultant and has spoken publicly on behalf of Cryonics at various events in the past. Joseph is leading the fight to promote organ cryopreservation via the Cryo-prize. 

    In this episode we discuss:

  • Joseph's Orthodox Jewish upbringing and its relationship with Cryonics
  • How he interprets the intersection o...
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    In this episode Max and Daniel speak with Nikki Olson. Nikki is a writer and researcher in the field of futurism and trans-humanist topics and she is currently working as a software engineer. She is one of the worlds top experts in the field of life monitoring as it pertains to Cryonics. 

    In today's conversation we discuss:

  • Nikki's journey to becoming interested in Cryonics
  • How Nikki decided life monitoring was an issue that n...
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    In this episode we speak with Chris Gillett.  Chris worked alongside Emil Kendziorra from EBF and Tomorrow Biostasis to conduct a survey of the public's sentiments towards Cryonics. In this episode we will cover the surprising results of this survey including:

    -How the public's perceives of Cryonics and Biostasis 
    -The unexpected positivity and attitude of the general public
    -Perceptions on the financial cost of cryo-preserva...

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    In this episode Max and Daniel speak with Peter Tsolakides. Peter is the founder, director and chairman of Southern Cryonics- the first and only Cryonics organization in Australia. In the past, Peter held senior management roles in a major international oil company and has over 30 years experience in the fields of marketing, strategic planning, and project development and implementation. 

    In today's wide ranging conversation we ...

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    In this episode Max and Daniel speak with Aaron Drake. Aaron is the Director of Research and Chief Specialist at the Yinfeng Institute for Biological Sciences, based in Shandong, China. He previously worked as a Senior Medical Response Consultant for Alcor and also serves as the Managing Director for Arizona Medical Sciences. He was recently featured in the Netflix Documentary: Hope Frozen. 

    In today’s wide ranging conversation we d...

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    This is our second episode with Emil Kendziorra. Emil is the founder of Tomorrow Biostasis and the European Biostasis Foundation, two new Cryonics service organizations that have started up in Europe. 

    This is part two of a two part episode with Emil. In this second part we cover:

  • Practical considerations around signing up with Tomorrow Biostasis
  • The neuro vs whole body question
  • The legal & regulatory environment for Cryonics in Eu...
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    In this episode we speak with Emil Kendziorra. Emil is the founder of Tomorrow Biostasis and the European Biostasis Foundation, two new Cryonics service organizations that have started up in Europe. 

    This is part one of a two part episode with Emil. In this first part we cover:

  • Why signing up for Cryonics sooner (when you have more of a zest for life) is better than later (when that zest may be waning or forgotten).
  • Why Emil is workin...
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    Daniel and I have finally managed to dig ourselves out of the great Texan freeze of 2021 to bring you part two of our two-part episode with Cryonics Institute president Dennis Kowalski.

    In this part we cover:

  • What is preventing people from signing up for Cryonics and how did Kowalski go from a Cryocrastinator to fully signed up? (Hint: a magazine called Omni!)
  • How has Kowalski changed the organization since he started having a say ove...
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    In this episode, Max and Daniel speak with Dennis Kowalski of the Cryonics Institute. Kowalski is the current President of the Cryonics Institute, a Fire Fighter, and a Nationally Registered EMT-Paramedic. 

    This is part one of a two-part conversation.  This part covers the following and more:

  • The History of Cryonics Institute and its Founder
  • How CI has managed to keep their prices the same since inception
  • The benefits of having a healt...
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