Cryonics Underground

Cryonics Underground

The Cryonics Underground podcast explores the fascinating and underappreciated world of Cryonics - the process of pausing your biological functions at the moment of legal death with the goal of reviving you in the future. Join us for in-depth discussions on the scientific, social, philosophical, technological, and political implications of this unique and extraordinary experiment. Featuring leaders in the Cryonics industry alongside futurists, philosophers, scientists, and many others. Get ready to travel on this remarkable journey with us. And remember, it could literally save your life!


October 20, 2023 6 mins

In this brief update episode, Max and Daniel take a break from their usual guest format to share some exciting announcements and milestones.

In this update episode, we discuss:

  • Cryosphere's Growth: Celebrating the big achievement of reaching 1,000 members in our community.

  • Upcoming AMA: All about the "Ask Me Anything" session on Saturday, October 28th at 1PM CDT (UTC-5) at the Cryosphere cryonics discord s...
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In this episode, Max and Daniel are joined by James Arrowood, Alcor's new CO-CEO.  Our wide-ranging conversation delves into James's approach to leadership, his views on Alcor as a business and several of his upcoming strategic initiatives.

In this captivating conversation, we explore:

  • The upcoming strategic meeting taking place in Estes Park, CO on Aug 25th and 26th (see below for tickets and more info).
  • How James views...
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In this episode, Max and Daniel sit down with Michael Benjamin to discuss his meta-analysis of Alcor's case history. He is working on a comprehensive meta-analysis of all Alcor patient cases, an endeavor whose goal is to develop, experimentally validate, and refine a quantitative cryopreservation evaluation methodology. Michael brings with him 20 years of experience in physics, engineering and mathematics having worked at plac...

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In this episode, Max and Daniel sit down with the renowned Aubrey de Grey to discuss the connection between life extension and cryonics. They cover a wide range of topics, diving into the latest breakthroughs and obstacles in both fields.

In this captivating conversation, they explore:

  • The current state of rejuvenation technologies
  • Recent advances in longevity research over the past decade
  • Challenges still facing life extension sci...
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In this episode we’re speaking with Rebecca Ziegler - Product Manager at Tomorrow Bio, a member of the Berlin Standby Team, and the newest moderator on the Cryosphere.

  • Why Rebecca chose business over politics
  • What it’s like to work at Tomorrow Bio
  • Job opportunities in European Cryonics
  • Why Tomorrow Bio is expanding to the US
  • Profit vs Nonprofit corporate structures in the Cryonics space
  • The motivations of Cryonicists
  • Tomorrow Bio’s ne...
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November 29, 2022 30 mins

In this special episode, Max Marty is speaking with return guest host Nikki Olson about the launch of the great Cryonics Survey of 2022. The Cryonics Survey is a large comprehensive survey of Cryonicists, the Cryocurious, and Cryocrastinators; intended to improve our understanding of the people most interested in this audacious endeavor.

---> Please take the survey at ! <---

In t...

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August 25, 2022 195 mins

In this episode Max and Daniel speak with Kai Micah Mills. Kai is the Founder of Cryopets, the first company focused on pet cryopreservation. Before founding Cryopets, Kai founded and ran several entrepreneurial ventures the tech space. 

In this episode we discuss: 

  • Kai's history as a tech entrepreneur
  • His views on the value (or lack thereof) of traditional schooling
  • Growing up religious, and the impact of a religiou...
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In this episode Max and Daniel speak with Carrie Radomski, President & Board Member of the Lifespan Society of British Columbia.

Carrie is a geoscientist, writer, artist, crypto enthusiast, gold explorer (yes, the kind that goes looking for gold in the Yukon), and much more.

In this episode we discuss: 

  • The Lifespan Society
  • Carrie and her family's long legacy of contrarianism 
  • Her varied political leanings, past a...
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To celebrate coming back from our short hiatus, today we bring you our first bonus episode! This is the audio version of the new cryonics YouTube series: The Cryosphere Roundtable.

The question we discuss today is: 

  • What books should every cryonicist read?

The inaugural episode of a regularly occurring discussion amongst the mods of the The Cryosphere Discord channel. Every month we'll be discuss...

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On this episode of the podcast, Max is joined by special guest host and previous guest, Nikki Olson.

For the first time, we're are also publishing the video of our full conversation over on Youtube! You can find it at :

Today, Max and Nikki are speaking with long time Cryonicist Robin Hanson. Robin is an associate professor of Economics at George Mason University a...

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February 23, 2022 167 mins

In this episode, Max and Daniel speak with Patrick Harris, the CEO and President of Alcor. Patrick is speaking with us today on several major new initiatives he's been working on over the past several months. We'll be doing both a reveal of Patrick's new initiatives along with a deep dive into the thinking and goals behind them.

Before his role at Alcor, Patrick was a healthcare executive, innovator, and bus...

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In this episode Max and Daniel speak with the venerable Ralph Merkle. Among his numerous achievements Ralph is the leading expert on nanotechnology, the inventor of cryptographic hashing and the co-inventor of public key cryptography. He is currently a board member at Alcor.    

In today's episode we discuss:

  • What is Molecular Nanotechnology?
  • How do different people use the phrase "Nano-Tech"
  • The use cases ...
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January 12, 2022 91 mins

In this episode, Max and Daniel speak with the legendary Ben Best. Among the numerous cryonics and life extension groups he has been associated with over the years, Ben is most known for being the former president of the Cryonics Institute from 2003 to 2012.

He is a senior member of a cryonics Teens and Twenties group, and he’s currently the director of research and oversight at the biomedical research & longevity soci...

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November 18, 2021 152 mins

In this episode Max and Daniel speak with Lisa Harris. Lisa is an Alcor member and an advisor to the board of directors. She is also on Alcor's legal and regulatory committee as well as the research and development committee.  Lisa has a background as an attorney, and currently works in healthcare research technology. 

In today's conversation we discuss: Trusts and their usefulness to Cryoncists + Lisa and Patric...

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October 27, 2021 148 mins

In this episode Max and Daniel speak with Eric Vogt. Eric is a veteran paramedic, a pilot and one of the two co-founders of I.C.E. - International Cryomedicine Experts. I.C.E is a highly experienced standby, stabilization and transportation company.

In today's conversation we discuss:

  • What I.C.E does, and how their organization benefits cryonics.
  • Eric's background and how he came to work with Aaron Drake
  • A refre...
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Gennady Stolyarov II (G. Stolyarov II) became the second Chairman in the history of the Transhumanist Party in November 2016. Mr. Stolyarov is an actuary,  independent philosophical essayist, science-fiction novelist, poet, amateur mathematician, composer, and Editor-in-Chief of The Rational Argumentator, a magazine championing the principles of reason, rights, and progress. Mr. Stolyarov regularly produces YouTube Videos discussin...

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August 19, 2021 109 mins

Joseph Kowalsky is a long-time Cryonicist and Officer at the Cryonics’s Institute’s leadership team. Joseph is also a financial consultant and has spoken publicly on behalf of Cryonics at various events in the past. Joseph is leading the fight to promote organ cryopreservation via the Cryo-prize. 

In this episode we discuss:

  • Joseph's Orthodox Jewish upbringing and its relationship with Cryonics
  • How he interprets the...
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In this episode Max and Daniel speak with Nikki Olson. Nikki is a writer and researcher in the field of futurism and trans-humanist topics and she is currently working as a software engineer. She is one of the worlds top experts in the field of life monitoring as it pertains to Cryonics. 

In today's conversation we discuss:

  • Nikki's journey to becoming interested in Cryonics
  • How Nikki decided life monitoring was...
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In this episode we speak with Chris Gillett.  Chris worked alongside Emil Kendziorra from EBF and Tomorrow Biostasis to conduct a survey of the public's sentiments towards Cryonics. In this episode we will cover the surprising results of this survey including:

-How the public's perceives of Cryonics and Biostasis 
-The unexpected positivity and attitude of the general public
-Perceptions on the financial...

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In this episode Max and Daniel speak with Peter Tsolakides. Peter is the founder, director and chairman of Southern Cryonics- the first and only Cryonics organization in Australia. In the past, Peter held senior management roles in a major international oil company and has over 30 years experience in the fields of marketing, strategic planning, and project development and implementation. 

In today's wide ranging conve...

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