January 31, 2025 • 68 mins
Husky Talk with Razulallah Wallace, former UConn Football linebacker who hit like a MAC Truck. One of my favorite people, Razulallah Wallace was truly the definition of what it takes to be with the UConn Huskies.
Raz grew up in Hicksville, NY which is on Long Island, and played football from the time he was 8 years old. He despised it! When he turned 13, Raz made a decision he was going to be the hammer instead of the nail. On one play when he was at linebacker, he drilled the teams best played and that gave him the confidence he would succeed.
Highschool was a different experience because he had to wait his turn to play, coach would always go with the upperclassmen. Unfortunately, and injury kept him out his entire junior year, but as a senior, Raz completely dominated. Recruited by Coach Toop and Coach Todd Orlando at Penn, the ivy league schools wanted him. With strong grades to go with his 1250 SAT score, Raz was touted.
However, life tends to throw us curve balls and Coach Todd Orlando with defensive coordinator Mike Toop ended up being hired by Coach Randy Edsall at UConn which changed plans. UConn was Razul's last official visit, and he committed because they had a full scholarship for him which made the difference.
From there we tell stories about our freshmen year and camp, How we both struggled against the speed of the game. Razul picked up the defense and started or played all 4 years. Nobody hit harder, ran faster, and knocked me into outer space more than Razul.
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planning strategy session. I got that right.
And now for the man of the hour,Razul Wallace, former UConn
linebacker. And he still looks like he's got
a couple series in him. Razul, welcome.
I've been trying to get you for a while.
(01:30):
I can't believe I got it done. Thanks for having me, Steve.
I think we've just been missing each other a little bit, you
know? No, no, You just ignore me.
I know I'm not important enough.You know?
I, I, I, I, I, I know where I stand.
I know where I stand. So that's OK.
I really loved I enjoyed playingwith you.
(01:52):
You just you kind of hit a little hard and probably
concussed me a few times. But and I I definitely enjoyed
when we went to the New York Dragons try out.
That was fun. I got to stay.
I got to stay at your house down.
Was it Hempstead? Where, where, Where did you?
(02:12):
Hicksville, Long Island. Hicksville.
Hicksville. That's right.
Yeah, that's right. I forgot.
So, yeah. So you're doing you're doing
great right now. Are you still involved with the
Husky Investment Group? I am I.
Am you are OK? It's I know it's you.
I know Bellamy. I know I know some of the guy MO
(02:33):
Lloyd's in it. Fincher, right?
Yep, Yep. Sam was the only one that
dropped out, right? Yes, Sir.
OK, so the Husky Investment group now, just out of
curiosity, how did that kind of come together?
Was it just you guys all, you know, looking for something to
do? And you said, you know, let's,
let's try real estate, let's trysome houses, let's.
(02:57):
It actually started because a few of us were in a group chat
and. Yeah, I wish I was Ness.
Nobody asked me. No, you're, you're more than
welcome. I would love to have you in the
group chat. I want to be in the Husky
investment group. How do you get in the Husky
investment group? Is there actually actually as
you have to pass it is. It is possible, it's just, you
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know, a small investment just got to be.
I know, I know, I know. Just.
Keep football player and then a small investment really.
Yeah, yeah. And so it started with a group
chat with like you, Fincher, MO Sam.
And then you just kind of decided now is the Husky
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Investment group technically a business?
Is it like an LLC? It it is an LLC.
Oh, OK, cool. See, and we've just done 2
projects so far. We did a yeah, we did a flip
last year and then we just acquired a multi family and you
know, we're just taking it step by step.
Good for you. Yeah, yeah.
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Good for you. Good for you.
Now you also are licensed, correct?
You got you. You did get your yes.
When when did that happen? I got my license in the middle
of 2022. OK.
I don't my personal niche is notspecifically to do like sell
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single family homes. I really just on, you know,
acquiring investments, you know,helping people get started in
real estate, that type of thing.Oh, so OK, kind of like what
Sam's trying to do now. Sam's trying to be more of like
a consultant and helping people get started and, you know,
walking them through the process.
(04:42):
I talked with him and that's whyI want to get you on Laban's
podcast, Laban Marsh. We do we, we do a real estate
prod podcast Broker. It's called broker.
Then you. That's what Laban wanted to call
it. And I know nothing about real
estate. So it's kind of funny the
questions that get asked. He gets a lot of viewers
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questions and then he gets questions from me.
So it's kind of, it's kind of funny because I, I just don't
know. And there's so much to it.
So it's kind of amazing. Now I know that you grew up in
Hicksville, Long Island. Did you play football early on?
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Were you did you play as as a youth like 8?
Nine years old. So I started about 10 and it was
because my, two of my my best friends growing up, Matt and
Adam Lachoff, you know, I hung out with them all the time and
we used to play in the street and they were like, you should
come play. And so I started playing at 10.
But at that age, I was always kind of like fast, but I was
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scared of the contact. Yeah, yeah.
The first like three years I kind of just sat on the bench
because even though I could run,I'd.
You, you shy away from. I can't even believe that.
I can't, like, picture Razul Wallace shying away from
contact. Yeah, that right there just
blows my mind. Yeah.
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Oh, you. You initially did not like
hitting. Initially I didn't.
That's, that's funny. That is, that is something I
would not have ever believed. Yeah, like I, I think I was
around 13 and I just got tired of being scared, really.
So then. I well, you you also have a huge
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family, correct? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, did, did and and they played as well, right?
Nope. No, they didn't.
The only one. You were the only one that
played football. And then my younger brother kind
of kind of played Africa after Idid.
He played also. But outside of that, we didn't
really have anyone else in my family that played.
So, I mean, it sounds like you really didn't enjoy football
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early on, but you played anyway.When did you?
When do you think you started tolike, enjoy it, would you say?
Probably about when I was 13 andI just got.
Tired of? Being afraid of hitting.
And I said, you know what? I'm just going.
To quote. And and go as hard as I could
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and that I knocked someone who was like the best player in the
team on his butt and I was And after that I was like, Oh well,
I can do it and then. Well, 'cause you did you play
both ways. I didn't so my high school I
didn't actually, but I before that I played defense and and
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some running back. Oh, you have to play some
running back. Let's play a little bit.
And like JV and junior high? Yeah, yeah.
And youth football. But defense.
Defense was always my primary. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, you, you are the prototypical Mike linebacker.
I mean, that's that's your thing.
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So did you play varsity as a sophomore?
No, no. No, you were on JV as a
sophomore. Yes, in my school it was a very
unique situation. It's all boys Catholic school
and yes from what I remember theonly time guys would play up is
like after if the JB season ended early.
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So that, you know, that makes sense now.
That's why you've got so many girls in college, because you
went to an all boys school. There were no girls.
So you had to make up for it. Yeah, that's OK.
Listen, we we, we tell everything on here.
I told a story about how I got Iaccidentally took edibles and
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got high and filled out an application to go to Mars.
For some reason I got an discussion for a mission to Mars
and I started looking for them and I found 1 and I applied to
go to Mars and everyone was great.
But I found out some things thatwere kind of disturbing.
(09:07):
The first is I have no skills. Like if you need to build
something, I can't build anything.
I can't help build, I can't helptake things apart.
I can't that contribute anything.
So I put like my, my contribution would be promoter
of goodwill. I would just like make everyone
happy and laugh and night, you know, be nice.
(09:29):
You got to be nice. You're in a you know, you're,
you're building the space station, so you're kind of
confined. So I, I got to listen.
It took me an hour to fill out this application.
And at the end of it, there weretwo things I found out that
number one, there was a weight limit.
You had to be 215 lbs or under to qualify because you know,
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they, they will wait on the ship.
So I knew that, you know, obviously you have to get
gastric bypass surgery to, you know, get down to 215.
I'd look emaciated. Yep, you start. 2:15.
What's that? When's the last time you saw
215? The last time I saw 215 was
probably my freshman year in high school.
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Freshman year. Yeah.
So that that was disturbing. And then the second part was
you're going to Mars and you're building the space station, but
you're not coming back. You're just staying there.
So I read that too and I'm like,you're going but you can't come
back. That is no.
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I I signed up, I filled, I filled out the application.
They're going in 2026. I may get picked still, Who
knows, you know, maybe my application gets picked even
though I have, I have zero. It was just, it was just kind of
hurt, hurt me when I was going through like can you like, I
can't change a light bulb. Like I, I would be useless
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building a space station. And this is like, you know,
you're if if you screw up, like somebody blows away and just
falls into space and dies. So that kind of made me nervous.
But yeah, so that we, we tell everything on here.
So don't, don't worry about that.
You know, the women that you gotin college is something you
should be proud of. We, you know, we the, the guys
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brag about it all the time. So you played varsity as a
junior and senior? Yep, I actually I didn't play my
junior year 'cause I had a stress fracture.
Are you kidding me? Yeah, yeah.
Only my senior year I got to play varsity.
You you missed your entire junior year.
Yeah. Did you were you able to go to
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any camps between your junior and senior year?
No, no. How did?
You get recruited. Honestly, so I I didn't really
know anything about recruiting at all and.
Yeah, I didn't I. Yeah, you didn't either, I
guess. Well, I mean, we just sent out
tapes. We just made tapes and sent them
out to my father got a machine where you could dub them, you
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know, the black tape and the game tape, and it would dub it
really fast. And then we'd mail it out to
places. And then it'd be funny.
The schools that didn't like youwould just send the tape back.
But yeah, that's how we did. So you, you, I mean not having
film or anything. No.
What did you? What did you do?
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It wasn't even on my radar, to be honest, but my high school
coaches were actually like, pretty good about it.
OK. And they had some relationships
with with different coaches because it got from guys getting
recruited in the past. And you remember coach too of.
Course. Yeah, of course.
Coach too. Actually.
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He was. He went to my high school and he
was AD coordinator at Upenn. So I was, yeah, interest from
like Ivy League schools, and Coach Orlando was with him at
Upenn. You got interest from Ivy League
schools? Yeah, yeah.
What the hell did you get on your SAT I think?
I got a 1260 or 12 OH. My God, Razul's smarter than me.
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I got like a 980 on my SAT now Igot a 10.
I got a 1080 on my SAT. You got a 12 something on your
SAT? Yeah, you know, it's funny.
Me and Kathy got the exact same score.
So whatever score she had is what is what I had.
Well you you legitimately could have gone to an Ivy League
school. You would have qualified because
you probably had a high GPA too.Yeah, so I I had, I mean in our
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school we did it, they did the old school percentages.
So I was like, which I guess would have been like AB student
in high school. So you were like a three LB.
Yeah, yeah. It was a 12/30 SAT.
Yeah. Yeah.
So you would have, you would have, you would, you would have
barely qualified for an item, but you would have qualified.
Barely. Like kind of like they can they?
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Have a banding system. People in that low range.
Yeah. They were willing to bring me in
there. Yeah, yeah.
Because I, I coached at an Ivy League school.
I coached at Dartmouth and there's low band, mid band, high
band, and then like super high band.
You would have been like low kind of low to mid.
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But it's fine. I mean, it's it's amazing that I
had no idea that you qualified. So Toup was recruiting you to go
to Penn? Yeah.
And so that's how you had a relationship with him.
Yeah. And then did you say Orlando?
Yeah, Coach Orlando was with Toup at Penn.
Or OK, I didn't know that Orlando was at Penn too.
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OK, cuz that's crazy. So Randy got Toup and Orlando
from Penn and he got Norice and Dave Warner from Bucknell.
That's funny that he went to thePatriot League in the Ivy League
to get some coaches. So Toup, you know, in in
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Orlando, obviously. So you OK, so you went.
Must have been a Randy guy. I was actually offered as a late
junior by Skip. So Randy must have offered you.
It must have been Randy's peoplethat offered.
You did. So you must have like killed it
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your senior year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did.
I did it right. But I think I just, I wasn't, I
don't like, I don't know, stats,you know?
Football. Q was never my strength.
You know what? I.
Mean no, no, it was not. You were you were not.
You were not football savvy. You were not definitely, you
were not football intelligent, but you could hit people in
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tackle. I could run help.
I could run, hit and tackle. Yeah, yeah, I, I know.
So they, they obviously must have recruited you.
And did they bring you on an official visit in like December
or or January? At Yeah, at Upenn I I did my
official visit at Upenn. Oh, you did.
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You did go to Upenn first. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh wow, in. The midst of that, I guess, is
when they switched over. When they switched, right?
Towards the end of it, I I thinkI took my last visit to UConn.
So how many visits did you take?Did you take all of them?
Yep, I, I think, my God, I thinkI went to, I went to Upenn,
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Bucknell, Holy Cross, Columbia and UConn.
Oh, my God, you went to the cross?
Who? I coached the Holy Cross.
That's incredible. I didn't.
I had no idea that you had opportunities to go to such high
academic schools. That's that's really impressive.
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No, I mean, really, I I didn't know Holy Cross.
I love and I I coached there 10 years.
But Worcester Worcester's a dump, but now is they just don't
win. Penn is very good.
You know, I Penn would have beena nice spot, but that's so
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that's interesting. So what made you what what sold
you on Yukon? Probably because the
scholarship, because back then those schools, you know what it
was financial aid. It was it was based on your
household income, how much moneyyou would have.
To pay, right? So the full scholarship,
probably. Yeah, you can together a pretty
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good package, but yeah. We did.
But but the full scholarship couldn't be there.
And the other thing too is just just I just wanted to test my
medals. So I wanted to really just
compete at the highest level I could.
That's how I was too, yeah. Yeah.
So that's how I was, dude. I like like I I was offered at
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Northeastern, Maine, New Hampshire, UMass, Buffalo and
the only other like Rutgers, theonly they were the only one a
schools. But I wanted to like I committed
to UConn without even visiting, without even seeing it.
I just said that they're, you know, they're going to be going
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one a big E I'm in. You know, I I didn't, I didn't I
committed, but worse because. In Northeastern, have some, you
know, they, they, they, they comparably, I think what made
you just say UConn over like, you know.
Well, 'cause 'cause you. When I was told UConn was going
1A, we were going to the Big East.
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That's the, that's the whole reason I took it.
Like if it had like 0 to do withthe school, I didn't care what
it looked like. I never visited.
I wanted to play at the highest level.
So when I heard that, you know, they're, they were going to 1A,
that was it. I was like, OK, I'm going to
Econ. And this was when, I don't know
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if you remember, the Patriots were flirting with building the
stadium in Hartford and moving and then give.
Me something like that. What's that?
You were supposed to be like sharing the stadium.
Yeah, you're going to share it with them?
Yes. But it turned out Bob Kraft was
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just using it for leverage to get what he wanted.
So he got the stadium built in Gillette, but we we still were
going 1A. Sorry, my throat's dry.
So what was interesting is Mr. Perkins, he was the best, the
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athletic director, he got a waiver from the NCAA because,
you know, you had to have a stadium that held 30,000 people
or more to be 1A, and we did not.
Ours was 16,000. So we got a waiver until we got
our stadium built so we could play 1A.
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And then they got the money and I believe they broke ground in
2001. But it was it was amazing, like
how how they did it. And Razul, like I talked to I,
I've done, I know you probably don't watch my Husky talks, but
you should. But I, yeah, you do.
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OK. Well, I did it with some of the
older guys like Wilbur Gilliard,Robert Belcour, guys that played
in like the early and mid 90s and they were being told then
that, hey, by your sophomore year we're going to be in the
Big East. Oh damn.
Yeah, it was, It was. I had no idea that it it started
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back then. And do you do you know what
prevented it from happening? What?
It was the people, the people who lived in stores, they did
not want the traffic on I-9195. Yeah, they're worried.
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That's why we that's why we never got the stadium on campus,
because they didn't want trafficon 195.
It was ridiculous. They fought it and fought it and
fought it and fought it and it was such bullshit.
So that's why I got built in East Hartford.
How do they deal with the traffic?
Because Gamble must create a little bit create.
Some that's what I said. That's what I said, but you
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know, gamble, you're talking 10,000 people.
Us we would have been talking 40,000 people.
Yeah. So that's that's kind of why
they Pooh poohed it. But credit to, you know, I
always I had I had Randy Epsiloncoach Etzel last year.
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And if you look at it, what he did is a first time head coach
was absolutely remarkable. You know, in his first five
years, he was able to get a stadium built.
He got us to 1A in the Big East and then he got the first indoor
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football complex ever in the Northeast.
UConn was the only one that had that.
So Coach Etzel, you know, he fundraised.
He knew what he wanted. And you know, that's why he was
built. He was the groundwork that built
the program. I, I wanted to do like a podcast
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special about it and talk because, you know, I feel that
he's kind of been, you know, forgotten and there's a sour
taste in people's mouth after the second time he left.
But I mean, he really was the architect that built our
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program. I give him all the credit in the
world. So you go to UConn.
Who hosted you on your visit? Jamar.
Oh, you had Jamar all right. Love Jamar.
Yeah. Oh yeah.
Show me. Ron had a good time.
You had a good time and so when did you commit?
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I mean, probably right away. I probably knew before we got
there that I was. Oh, you did.
OK. So you see?
So you committed like on the spot.
That's awesome. That's awesome.
What what do you, what would yousay, like made you commit?
Was it just because it was the highest level?
I think, well, I think it was the, the, the fact that it was a
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scholarship and the highest. Level the scholarship and the
highest level. OK, Now we endured the worst
experience I've ever had in my life, which was freshman
practice when we got there. Now I come to find out I have.
I've talked to other people. Nobody else did this.
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It just seemed to be like a Randy thing and, you know, it
got banned after us. You mean like freshman camp?
Yeah, the freshman camp we did. Nobody else did that are.
You sure? I I thought other schools did
it, but just we were like the last after like our years, like
all schools just did away with it.
But I thought it was a. More they they all did away with
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it, but not everyone. Not everyone did it like we did.
As far it was more of like a walkthrough.
It wasn't like a full pads like practice like we got like I'll,
I'll I'll never forget it. Like those were like the four.
I think we had two double sessions and they were the
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hardest in my life. And because in between we had to
do orientation, if you recall, Iremember I couldn't walk because
really logistically it was just a nightmare because you had to
walk everywhere and the, the stadium's up here and you got to
go here. And I, I just remember being so
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sore. Now my, my greatest memory is
Razul. After the first practice of the
freshman practice, we had five offensive lineman.
OK, one of them, we go to lunch with his name.
The guy's name is Chris Johnson.We go to lunch with him.
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We come back, we go and we we get dressed for practice.
There's a note in his locker saying that he quit, he's done.
He can't do this. He quit after the first
practice. It was, it was hilarious.
And then of course, I'm sure youremember the ballot of Eric
Hiltz. You remember Eric Hiltz?
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I remember Eric. Hiltz Eric Hiltz was my
roommate. Razal, you want to know what
Eric Hiltz did his first night? The only room together, OK.
You know, we had to get up in the morning and get pissed,
tested and whatever. And everyone was uncomfortable
and upset. I mean, I cried when I got
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dropped off. My father was upset, You know,
we all were kind of homesick. But so the first night we get I
I get into bed to sleep, Hiltz is just sitting there like this.
And I go, you go, hey, man, you,you, you want to go to bed?
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He's like, what? You can turn the lights out.
I'll, I'll go to bed soon. Alarm grows.
Alarm goes off at 5:00 AM. He's in the same position.
I go, dude, I was like, did you sleep?
He's like, no, I'm like, why? It's like I just kept thinking
maybe if I bang my knee hard enough against the dresser, I'll
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hurt myself and then I won't have to practice.
And then, you know, I'm not like, I'm not a psychologist.
I don't know what to say to that.
What am I supposed to say to that?
I'm like, oh, well, well, OK, well, I'm going to go get drug
custody now, but I guess let's go.
So, yeah, we had the the ballad of Eric Helts.
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The freshman camp was absolutelybrutal.
Who was in your group? Was it just you?
Was it you and Jamal? It was so.
It was actually because Jamal was a safety.
Oh, that's right, he was back. He was a part of the defense,
but it was me. Ooey, Mike McIntosh.
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Mac Yep. Greg Smoot.
That's right, Smoot started as alinebacker and then then they
moved him down. The name of the the.
Line. That's right.
That's right. And then we went to the
Berkshires. I, I kind of like the Berkshires
now. Everyone kind of hates on the
Berkshires. I, I, I, I liked it.
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I liked the food. I, you know, it was cooler, You
know, we're out in the country. Were were you a fan of the
Berkshires or no? It was cool, like scenery wise
but you know. I like the food.
The food was good. The food was good.
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I just, you know, just all like football. 24/7 was a lot.
I think that was. My, oh, it was, it was, it was
madness. It was madness.
I've been non-stop. I could not wait to get on that
bus and go back to campus. Well, it was, it was you.
You would practice, then you would meet and talk about
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practice. Yeah.
Then you'd meet and talk about the practice that's upcoming.
Yeah, you'd practice and then you'd meet and you'd review
practice. Yeah.
Yeah, it it, it was just, it wasjust non-stop.
And you're sore the whole time. You the whole time you.
The soreness doesn't let up. Oh yeah, You never get your legs
back. But what was interesting is
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Randy went to the model, I thinkit was after like the first few
days because guys just were couldn't do it.
He went to, he went to the modelof double S, Then the next day
was a walkthrough and then a double double s, then a
walkthrough and a double. He she kind of switched the
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schedule up, which was new at the time.
And now that's really how everyone practices.
Nobody does 2A days anymore. Like when I coached the Holy
Cross, it was same thing. It was a walkthrough and then a
practice. We, I think we did maybe 2
double sessions the whole time. So they, they, they took, they
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took care of us. But you had what, what I thought
was interesting. You really contributed as a
freshman. Like you came in and you
established yourself early on. And I, I just, I, I remember, I
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remember we ran a trap and I hadthe, I had the head and shoulder
fake the defensive end and I hadto go block you.
And I believe you depleted me. Just just what you did.
Like you, you just annihilated everyone and you were playing.
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Were you playing the the mic at the time?
I think I was playing Will at first and then.
I got you were at will. They had ooey at the sand,
didn't they? Ooey.
Was the sand. OK.
And Jamar? Jamar was the Mike.
And Jim was started. I mean, I I, I was planned, but
I was really more back up, I think to Stroh at will.
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Oh, Kamari Strowman, OK. Yeah.
And then? But yeah, you.
But I you eventually took over. I did eventually take over
towards the end of freshman year.
'Cause you, 'cause I know you started in that you, you had a
very good freshman year. Yeah, because like overall our
our freshman class was not great.
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We had. We had.
Guys. I mean, the guys that played, I
mean, it was really you. It was Belisle, you know, It was
Jamal. Yeah, it was smooth.
And myself and Big O, Big O played a little bit.
Boy and Tommy. Oh, that's right.
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We and Tommy, OK, well, that that's not too bad.
But I mean, he had to put he hadto put together patchwork that
class because there were a lot of kids that he ended up getting
rid of, which was funny. And then, you know, it was
disappointing because that freshman year they had some
talent. They probably, we probably could
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have won, but I, I know Randy was looking towards the future.
He wanted to read your guys, which he couldn't because we
had, we had depth, depth issues everywhere.
And that would, but it ended up being a good thing because
freshmen got experience. Yeah, you you got a lot of
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experience as a freshman. I did.
I did. You know, I wanted to ask you,
did you notice or how did you, how did you feel like the first
your first play from scrimmage in college?
Rajul, I for two weeks, I I didn't touch anyone.
I I, I, I, I was playing againstRob Long, the defensive end.
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Yeah. And I, I couldn't do anything
like I I couldn't, I couldn't get in his way.
Like it was it was abysmal. Yeah.
It was such a speed difference, technique difference.
And I'll never forget after the first practice that Chris
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Johnson kid quit. Eric Hilt was on the phone.
He was talking about quitting. And then I, I was, I was on the
phone to go next. And I have, I have no idea how
this happened, but it's a hilarious story.
It was Ed and J, Chuck and I. And I look at Ed.
I don't know, Ed. I go, Ed, what are you doing?
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I'm going to do what you're going to do.
Are we, are we staying? Are we, are we going?
He goes full scholarship man, I'm staying.
I called home. I said my, I first said it was
tough. My, I remember my dad said, you
know what if, if, if it's, if it's bad, you can come home, you
know, you we'll go to SUNY Albany or something and you can
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play there. And I said no, I'm going to
stick it out. And the whole reason I did it
was because of fucking that, because Ed, Ed said we're going
to do it. So the other thing that happened
my freshman year, I don't know if you remember Eric Kilts, OK,
Eric Kilts quits the football team.
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Eric Kilts was my roommate. OK, so those Friday morning
workouts for the guys that didn't play were peer torturer
Mike Golden just brutalized themand Hiltz would just get, you
know, they had them leg pressing1000 lbs and Ed would squat and
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whatever the the two funniest stories were they had to go out
and run stadiums. But the thing was they put 365
on the squat rack. If Ed squatted it once then they
were done. No running if if he didn't get
it, they were going to run. So Ed gets I wasn't there.
I just a second hand. They all told me Ed gets in
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there. He's and and all everyone's
cheering on. Let's go.
Ed, you got this Ed, you got it.You got it, you got it.
So he gets it, he gets it, he gets back and then he he goes
down and then he just goes down,crumbles and Golden goes left us
out to the stadium. Let's go.
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And he set them all out. He had a hobby.
Bed. Didn't he?
Didn't he like messing with Ed? Oh.
Yeah, he hated that because Ed had the Ed had an air
conditioner in his room. Yeah, so it drove golden nuts.
Ed got a note from his doctor saying he had asthma, so he can
get an air conditioner in his room.
It was the smartest thing he ever did.
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Yeah, so he hated that for that.Hilts, OK.
When we would go away on road trips, Hilts would stay.
Hilts was like really homesick. He was a homebody so he would
have like friends come up and stay.
When? He was the masked guy.
He was from Mass, He was close, so it was homecoming.
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He had a friend come up. We are playing Villanova and OK,
I happen to go out. I went out with Antonio, Grant,
Smoot and a couple guys. We get fake IDs.
We go to the pub. I get I get absolutely bombed.
I'm shit faced. I come back to the room, the kid
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is sleeping on the floor. I'm on the blower bunk.
Your hiltz is on the top. I get in the bed. 2 minutes
later I throw up. I throw up all over the kid.
You throw all over. Him.
All over him. I just, I just rolled on them,
Yeah, rolled on them. Fucking hilts goes nuts.
The kid goes nuts. My pukes everywhere.
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So I, I go and you know, we, we try to clean it up as best we
can. I think we threw the comforter
out. The kid ended up I think
sleeping in the hilts is better.Whatever.
So the next day in meetings, because we had just lost the
Villanova in overtime, I believeHilts is falling asleep in the
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meetings and you can watch it. His eyes are going, they're
going, and then they finally go.He's out and Norice noticed
Norice caught him. Norice gets up from his chair
and he gets right in his face. Doesn't say a word, just gets
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right in his face. Two minutes later, Hiltz looks
up and there's this giant black man staring at him.
He goes, He goes like the and Norice is like what the fuck?
Why are you sleeping in our fucking meeting?
This is fucking bullshit. And he goes fucking it was it
was Cully's fault. Cully Cully.
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Cully threw up. He got drunk and puked and it
smelled bad and I couldn't sleep, so I thought I was going
to get read the riot act. I thought I was, I thought I was
fucked. It, it turned out Norese was,
you know, I, I had a 6:00 AM workout or whatever.
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But the veterans were pissed at Hilts.
They're like, for like, you don't rat out your roommate.
Like, why would you rat them out, right?
Well, now Hilts is like, everyone hates me now I have to
leave. So he calls his parents.
We were in the room. 724 calls his parents, says I, I I'm
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quitting. I'm done.
I'm done. And they're trying to talk him
out of it. And I'm trying to talk him out
of it. I get Tommy.
Tommy comes in. Tommy's like trying to talk him
out of it. He's like, hey, man, just stay
here. We'll get through this together.
We're on your side. We forgive you.
We know all this. I bring Ed in.
Worst decision I could have made.
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I I say Ed, Ed Holtz is going toquit.
We got to, we got to, we got to talk him out of it.
OK. Ed walks in.
It's like, hey, so I hear you want to quit.
And Heltz is like, yeah, I can'tdo this anymore.
I was like, oh, well, all right,good luck.
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That's it. That's what he did.
And Heltz's line to his parents was, you can either come pick me
up, I'm I'm either leaving with you in the car or I'm leaving in
an ambulance because I'm jumpingout the window of 7/24.
That's what he said. Swear to God I'll never forget
it. Damn.
Work. So his parents came and picked
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him up. And I had That's intense.
Yeah, that was, that was, that was, that was intense.
But I mean, he really, honest toGod, he shouldn't have been
there. He wasn't, he wasn't in a
scholarship lineman. He was 240 lbs.
He wasn't going to put on weight.
He tried really hard. He just wasn't good.
And he he was a late scholarshipguy.
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So you, I mean, you played phenomenal your, your sophomore
year. You know, our sophomore year was
our one a year. You know, we, we go to Eastern
Michigan. We, we, Jamal laid out Dion
Branch at Louisville, BC. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, do you have any fond memories from the from that
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year? Anything that sticks out.
Oh, a lot of fond memories, I think I was.
'Cause I mean you you. They moved Jamar to D End and I
believe you were the starting Mike.
And I went to Mike and I went toMike and it was, you know, it
was that was actually probably my best year.
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Yeah. To be honest, like my junior
year, I think I was like, I had like heartbreak and that.
Really. I mean, I know the junior year
is they, they had Fincher and they put Fincher in.
Well, not. I think it was really my senior
they put Fincher in, but my junior year I was ready, but I
was really kind of like, I didn't even realize it.
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But looking back, I think I had like a like a mild depression
kind of my junior. Year, a lot of us did.
A lot of us did. Yeah, I did.
I did too. I did too.
I got my junior year. I got moved to guard and I
started and then I got pulled and yeah, I I definitely went
through depression. And that's what Bellamy, if you
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ever, if you ever watch our show, it's called a Huskies
Health. We talk about the the depression
and anxiety and stress that college football players feel,
but all of us pushed through it.You know, we never asked for
help. We always think we can get
through it ourselves. And he said he experienced it,
too. And you know, junior year for me
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was depressing, mostly because Iwas super close with Ryan Tracy.
Oh yeah. I had riot Ryan Tracy up to my
house. I had Ryan Tracy.
I used to go fishing with him. And then he, he disappears at
the middle of the night. Yeah.
And then, then, then, then it's like our season's fucked.
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Yeah, Do you hear from Ryan Tracy?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He ended up playing arena ball
for a little while and then he became a teacher out in
California. I could see him as a teacher.
You remember him? Yeah, He was very, he was very
inquisitive. I use a big word.
And is that, is that a kid? Yeah, this is my baby.
(43:01):
She's getting ready to go to school.
Oh my God, you have. How many are there?
There's five in our house. I got my three older boys with
coffee. This is Christmas 5.
My girl has one from a previous relationship and we have my
sweet. Sugar together is that?
Is that Kathy? Kathy is who my three older boys
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are with. OK, OK.
Yeah, I heard they're great wrestlers.
They are. They are.
Yeah. Great kids.
OK. Hi.
Yeah, she is. She is cute.
I like that hat. You like being on a podcast?
You're on a podcast, you're going to be seen by millions of
people. Yes, Yes, you are.
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So what? What do you think the struggle
was your junior year? Because, I mean, were you?
Were you? You were playing right.
I was playing, I was playing, but.
I just you weren't playing. Well, I wasn't playing well, but
it was like, I think it, I don'tknow if you remember Sarah, but
I think that was like the first,like real girlfriend I've had.
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Yeah, yeah, I do. Like that heartbreak, really
just kind. Of yeah, it carries over.
It's tough to separate. It really is.
You know, I've been there when, you know, your relationship
falls into your professional life, which was football.
So between the breakup with Sarah and then football, I mean,
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it was it was a struggle for youyour junior year.
Yeah. And, you know, then your senior
year, I know Fincher came in andthat's when you kind of rotated
with him. Yeah, not so much.
I was really more on the bench. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it was, it was just, again, it was, it was not your
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physical talents. I mean, you, you had the body of
a Greek God and you, you could read and you can hit.
It was just schematically, you know, it was, it was a little
bit more difficult with the coverages and your
responsibilities. So that's why, But I mean you
still, I mean, you must have started 30 games plus.
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I, I think you did. I, I'm pretty sure you, you're,
you're a 30 plus game starter because you played as a
freshman. He played as a sophomore, he
played as a junior and you know,you rotated in as a senior.
So you must have gotten 30. Were you were you?
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I mean, our senior year was justunbelievable.
I remember being two and six andyou know, the rally started with
Kent State and Florida Atlantic and then we shut out Navy at
Navy and then Iowa State. And to me it just seemed like
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finally, like all the work we did, like it paid off.
It paid off. We beat a Big 12 team that was
ranked, that was going to a bowlgame and we beat the, we beat
the hell out of. And I thought at that time,
Razul, we were playing so well. We could have beaten anyone if
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we had gone to a bowl game or whatever.
But I mean, your, your experience overall.
I mean, would you, you were, would you say you were happy
with it? Like you love, you love the
campus, you, you love the atmosphere, you love being on
the team. Oh yeah, I loved every bit of it
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except that that freshman camp was terrible.
That freshman camp was the worstthing I ever experienced.
I tell everyone that. You know what I'm saying?
I'd asked you about your your first play from scrimmage.
I just, yeah, I get killed. I get killed.
I didn't touch. My, my first play from scrimmage
in college and it was, you know,we were all together with the,
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the upper class. Yeah, I didn't, I didn't even
move. I couldn't.
You. Yeah, you.
Couldn't distinguish is everything was flying by my face
so fast. Yeah, you didn't know where?
You didn't know where to go. Anyone.
And and I remember at that time I was like, I was like, damn, I
think this is. I think I'm out of my league
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here, you know, because it, yeah.
And it's it was such an adjustment.
Such an adjustment. Coach Orlando runs onto the
field. He screamed.
What the fuck are you doing? Like I was like I just I.
I don't. I, I don't know.
I don't know. Well, like you and myself, New
York State football is not very good.
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Yeah. So it's it's quite an
adjustment. It is.
And if you ever watch this high school highlight tape, which is
the greatest thing in the world,he played against midgets for
three years. He's basically tossing midgets.
The only guys, the only guy who really had a pedigree coming out
was Tommy. Tommy played at the bull school
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in Florida and then he transferred out and he, he was a
true like talent who could have gone somewhere.
Jamal was the kind of similar where he, you know, he he he was
a hitter, but he, he just didn'thave the speed to, to be a
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safety to cover ground. Yeah, Big O rotated in and play,
you know, he played here and there.
Yeah. And UI was, UI was really the
star. I mean, UI was the guy who was a
freak. He was a freak.
But I always said you and UI, I was petrified to shower because
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of you and UI, because I, you know, I, I, I didn't shower the
first week and the, the guys caught me and they, they told me
like, dude, you got a shower. I, I would go back to the dorm
and the Berkshire and shower because I was afraid to walk in
because you know, you, you guys were packing heat and I, I was
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like, I, I was terrified. And they like, I look at you,
you and OE and there's just anacondas everywhere.
Like where, where, where do I go?
So I I finally did and you know,I I, I had to show what I had
and it's just it, it's so emasculating to not make drop I.
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I don't remember being that muchof a difference.
Oh, it was a big difference. Like if I, if I had what you
had, I'd be, I'd walk around naked all the time.
I'd throw it in everyone's face.I'd say look at this and you
know, Terry's description was a Pringles can.
He said it was a, it was a Pringles Cam.
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So I mean, if, if I had that, I,I would be naked all the time.
And I always say I'm going to save my money and I'm going to
go to New York, $30,000. I'm going to get the surgery,
the John Wayne Bobbitt surgery where they'd make it bigger.
I'm going to get a monster, I'm going to get like a 12 incher.
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Can you make it work though? When they do that, how does?
That yeah, yeah, yeah. John Wayne Bobbitt, I mean, he
had some complications, but theythey got it right.
And he he had a hog for a while.Well, that was that's kind of my
goal. But we we finished our careers.
I thought it was nice that CoachEtzel gave us all the MVP
(50:46):
awards. Yeah.
Because we we really put our blood, sweat and tears into that
program. And I, you know, we were the
foundation. I really believe we were.
Yeah, even Rashad. Rashad came in with us too.
That's right, he transferred. He transferred from Wisconsin.
Yeah, yeah, I remember he and then so I, I'm trying to
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remember like afterwards I went and played arena ball.
I played for the Albany team. Yeah, dude, I can't remember if
you played right away or you went later, because I know I
went to the Dragons workout withyou.
I, I didn't really end up playing.
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I, I went to a couple of tryoutsand yes, yeah, did the tryouts,
but. Yeah, for Lena, but it just
wasn't a fit. Materialize into anything
though, yeah, yeah. And then I ended up going to NFL
Europe. So what what did what did you
end up doing career wise to start?
Because I didn't. I didn't know.
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I was doing like a personal training for a while.
And then, oh, you were OK. Did personal training and then
coffee. Got pregnant and I moved back to
Connecticut from New York. And then I was oh.
You weren't. You weren't in Connecticut.
No. So I moved back to New York for
a couple years. Oh, OK, All right.
(52:13):
And then and then. Back she back and forth between
Connecticut and New York. Was the was the was the
pregnancy like did did did something you wanted or was it
like kind of a surprise? It was, it was not planned.
It was a surprise. So you kind of slipped one
through. That's good.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess. And so was that.
Was that the boy? That's my my SO, my 3, both sons
(52:38):
that are yeah, kids are three boys.
And they're older now. How right?
How old are they? They this year they turned 1917
to 27. Yeah, I'm blown away.
And now Cat Car. Is it coffee or cafe coffee?
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Kathy OK, She said that they allwere tremendous wrestlers.
Man. Did you get them into wrestling?
I just wanted them to play a sport just 'cause I knew how
good. Sports are, yes.
Yes, I tried them with football.I think they just didn't like
the cold and I think they liked wrestling 'cause it was indoors.
But to me, wrestling is is grueling and.
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Oh, it's, it's tough. It's the toughest thing ever.
Yeah, but they stay stuck with it.
And they became like. So you said A13A-17 and a 19
year old? Yeah, 1917 and 11 this.
Year 1917 eleven OK, and I thinkshe said the 11 year old may be
the best one. Well, he's he's the most
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aggressive and I think he's going to be the biggest one.
And do you actually work with them?
Do you train them? Well, the old we work out
together. And yeah.
I understand body positioning from football, right?
Leverage. But you leverage, right, but not
to the technical depth of wrestling.
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So I give them the best of what I can give them, right?
I figure out where, if there's ways that we can get like more
like better insights and stuff like that.
So. Do they do they get any like
personal training or do they just do it on their own?
The the physical part is just stuff that we've just worked out
together for years. Yeah, OK.
And then they they get coached by the team, right?
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By teams or like different people?
Or are they on any club teams? Is there club teams?
OK, they do both and they have performed well like.
Yeah. And they gone the the the 19 and
the 17. Did they go to the states at
all? They make it that far.
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So my old. Is not really.
He won a double L state champion.
Oh my God. My second son, I definitely see
that for him too. He's he's like just he like.
So I think, you know, stay open.And what weight class?
He's at 165 right now. OK, he's a junior, so he has one
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more year, but he's very motivated.
Good. He's good.
That's awesome. Does he play anything else?
He might, they might run track. So that's the thing like
because. Or perform just throw them.
Well, they're they're faster than I was.
When I see them run, I'm like. Oh, are you serious?
Yeah. They probably I'm I'm guessing.
(55:31):
They oh, because Kathy can can run too.
Yeah. So I mean, you, you guys were
good for breeding. I mean you, you bred monsters.
If I I didn't want to force them.
But he played football 1. He went, he started the season
football one year and his high school coach was like, I think
he can lead the state in Sachs, my oldest son, but he hated it.
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He and I was like, he would comeover every day.
So I was like, I was like, because everyone was like you.
Sure. How long did he how long did he
practice for with the team? I had like the first week or two
like. It wasn't for him.
One year JV, which is kind of him just getting a feel for it
and then he came back junior year in the beginning of the
year and I think he had a betterfeel for it.
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He just was not into it at. All Was he playing defensive
end? Yeah, 'cause he didn't have the,
it's like kind of knowledge, butsize, strength and speed, that
would have been, that was the perfect place, 'cause you don't,
it's not as, I guess, technical.There's not as many.
No, no, no, it's not. You're you're pass rushing.
Yeah, I I get it. So he he didn't like it, but he
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he did fall in love with wrestling and he won the Double
L state championship. He he did.
He did. That's amazing.
And then what did he, what did he do afterwards?
Did he, did he go to school? Does he go to school now?
He's not interested in school atall.
Good. Good.
(56:55):
Yeah. I wasn't trying to force it.
So he right now he he helps me with some some stuff sometimes.
Good. That's awesome.
He's getting his EMT because he wants to be do firefighting.
Good. Good.
Yeah, because college right now with how expensive tuition is.
It's. I mean, unless you're going to
go to an Ivy League school, it'sreally a waste.
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I mean, I if you asked me that like 10 years ago, I would have
said that's awful. He should be going to college.
But from what I know now after being a college coach and seeing
everything and like just what a business college is, it's just
ridiculous. And now with the NIL stuff.
Oh yeah. It's it's just out of control.
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So did you, did you get married to Kathy for for how many years?
We were together for a total of about 11 years.
I didn't get invited to the wedding, so that's
disappointing. Where?
Where we? We had a really we we got
married in our living room, the only.
People. Oh, OK.
(58:02):
Our parents and our siblings. How did you propose?
Was it romantic? Oh, it was.
It's funny because, you know, afterwards she was like, I don't
even, that's not even the type of proposal I would have wanted.
But so it tells you kind of, butbasically I was, I was
graduating from the police Academy and at the graduation, I
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kind of, you know, propose at the graduation for the police
Academy. Oh OK, I see that.
And then now she ends up being the first fire woman
firefighter, female firefighter in Norwich, I believe.
Yes. OK.
Did she did she do that before or after you guys separated?
(58:50):
After. Oh, shoot, after.
OK. Just talk to me a little bit
about marriage. Is marriage just, I mean, is it
not what you expect? Did you live together before you
got married? Yeah, you did OK.
And you, you had already had kids, right?
(59:10):
So we. OK.
We had two sons and we had already purchased our first
house together. Was it Malta?
Wow. And were you doing real?
Estate at the time I wanted to, I wanted to, but.
You were training. I had, I think I had tried like
a few different business ventures and I think at that
(59:30):
point she just had a little faith in my ability to kind of.
She she had a little faith in your ability.
Yeah. Yeah.
Well, I mean, it's, it's, it's tough.
I mean, that's the one thing Laban will tell you when we do
our our show Thursday. The market is just sick.
So cyclical that it's, it's verydifficult to manage.
(59:52):
And Newsy we talked to as well. You talked to Newsy?
Yes, we actually, we did a talk at at UConn for real estate
professionals and I got a chanceto catch up with Newsy there.
Oh good. Yeah.
And so we, we, we did get to catch up.
It is, I think we personally, especially if you buy well or
(01:00:13):
you buy right, it actually can help you to navigate up and down
market. Right.
If you because if the one of thebiggest variables could be like
the interest rates. So if you're yes, but the two to
four unit space you can kind of lock into a long term more
interest. Rates we want correct.
When you're in the commercial, you know they they tend to be
(01:00:35):
more. That's exactly what Layman said.
Yeah. Wow, wow, that yeah, that this
is going to be great when you talk with them.
So now, right now was was the test hard to pass it?
(01:00:56):
It wasn't too if I if you're taking it, I would take it as
soon after you take the course as possible because you got to
take the course. Once you took the course and
then you did the test. I think you're required to take
a course before you can take thetest and I just did one at Three
Rivers here in Norfolk. And so your your marriage was
(01:01:18):
good for a while and then it just kind of went downhill.
I think you know, to be honest, me and copy are actually really
good friends now. You are that's what she she
said. She said you're great friend, so
you. Have a good a great relationship
we live about. You're good, You're very good Co
parenting, she said. Very good.
We have a great relationship. We're good, we're good friends.
(01:01:39):
She actually had had me had us over for for Christmas.
Yeah, you get along great. It's funny how marriage screws
up everything. Yeah.
When when When you're not married, you're you're much
better off. Yeah, well.
That's why I say marriage is a failed institution.
I kind of agree with that, but also we.
(01:02:00):
Had. Personal stuff too, where like
you know where I I had a hard time being navigate being with
one woman essentially. Well, everyone does.
Everyone does. That's not that.
It's human nature. It's human nature.
You know, no guy is going to be satisfied for the next 4 years
(01:02:25):
with one vagina. It's just, you know what you're
going to get. Well, well, I'll, I'll say this,
I think, and this is kind of part of my personal spiritual
journey is that. I mean, an open marriage maybe
can work, but you mean the one, the one vagina, 40 years.
(01:02:47):
I mean, and, you know, it's that, that, that that's it.
That's what you're getting. There's no surprises.
Yeah. You can't dress it up.
It is where it is. Dress it up a little bit with
some, yeah. But it's the same thing with
you. I mean, the Pringles can, it's
coming. Yeah.
You know that, that there's nothing else you can do.
(01:03:07):
This is what you're getting. And it's the same thing over and
over. And it's very difficult to to,
to spice it up and, and make it satisfying for both people.
Right. Yeah.
It can be, it can be and then other thing too is like I think
that there is. I think we also like were good
(01:03:30):
friends and we were very like attracted to each other.
You were, yeah. We had, I think we kind of had,
we have a foundationally different beliefs and like.
Foundationally, like religious. I would say like, like she's
copy is like pretty conventional, you know, and.
(01:03:50):
What do you mean? Like conservative or?
Traditional like and just her thinking like, OK, she is a very
traditional like thought process, whereas I'm, I would
say I'm probably very unconventional and yeah.
Yes, you are. Yeah.
But I am too. I'm very unconventional.
Oh, you are. You are as.
Weird as they get, you always get.
(01:04:11):
Along. That's why we always gotten
along 'cause we. Both.
So I just out of curiosity, whatwhat led?
Oh, you have to get going. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to keep
you. It was just we were having a
great conversation. Oh God, I appreciate it.
I'm glad that we'll get to talk some more later this week.
No, we will. We will listen.
(01:04:32):
No, it's good that you you guys are good friends.
You're raising your kids. They're all doing well.
It's great to do that. They're doing wrestling.
I I love you. I love playing with you.
I love hanging out with you. We had a ball together.
We. Did.
I I miss you? I'm definitely.
(01:04:53):
Coming back to Connecticut anytime soon?
I'm going to, I'm going to try to get up and and see you guys.
Yeah, 'cause we're actually working now, our podcast
network, we're going to be working for the C Club and Kevin
Freeman. Yeah, we're going to try to help
get people. Did you sign up for the C Club
(01:05:14):
yet? I have not yet.
I'm going to send you the goddamn link.
You better sign up. I'm going to sign up.
We got to get people signed up. That's part of our job.
We're going to help raise donations because we have great
content. If you ever look at it, Coach
Schumann's sports and entertainment YouTube channel,
(01:05:34):
That's what all my contents on and I put it on my Facebook as
well and LinkedIn. But his YouTube channel has 1.2
million subscribers and he gets 70 million views per month.
And like this show is great because we're talking about
Pringles cans and locker rooms and all that.
(01:05:57):
I'm going to do a bunch of reels.
Those are going to be hilarious.I'm going to put reels up and
and our show's going to be great.
But so you're you're going to a meeting to sell a house or buy a
house or. Actually to buy one I'm looking
at 1A young kid. Well, listen, I have a tax guy
(01:06:18):
for you that I want you to talk to.
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He's he will save you like he save people thousands of dollars
and he's gotten people returns. So with your investment group,
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call you? Yeah, Hell yeah.
OK, All right. Well, I I will do that, and then
I will talk with you. We're going to talk with Laban
Tuesday. We're going to do a little more
real estate. But Razul, this was a ball man.
I had it. This was a fun show.
I I it's very tough to make a black man blush, but I got you
(01:07:01):
to blush a few a few times. I got you to blush a few times
in. My seat a little bit.
But no, listen, I, I am, I am very happy for you.
I'm proud of you. I'm happy for your for your kids
and your family. And I'm happy you're doing so
well. I really am.
You deserve it. You've worked hard.
So I will say for Razul Wallace,former UConn linebacker and now
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planning strategy session. I got that right.
And now for the man of the hour,Razul Wallace, former UConn
linebacker. And he still looks like he's got
a couple series in him. Razul, welcome.
I've been trying to get you for a while.
(01:30):
I can't believe I got it done. Thanks for having me, Steve.
I think we've just been missing each other a little bit, you
know? No, no, You just ignore me.
I know I'm not important enough.You know?
I, I, I, I, I, I know where I stand.
I know where I stand. So that's OK.
I really loved I enjoyed playingwith you.
(01:52):
You just you kind of hit a little hard and probably
concussed me a few times. But and I I definitely enjoyed
when we went to the New York Dragons try out.
That was fun. I got to stay.
I got to stay at your house down.
Was it Hempstead? Where, where, Where did you?
(02:12):
Hicksville, Long Island. Hicksville.
Hicksville. That's right.
Yeah, that's right. I forgot.
So, yeah. So you're doing you're doing
great right now. Are you still involved with the
Husky Investment Group? I am I.
Am you are OK? It's I know it's you.
I know Bellamy. I know I know some of the guy MO
(02:33):
Lloyd's in it. Fincher, right?
Yep, Yep. Sam was the only one that
dropped out, right? Yes, Sir.
OK, so the Husky Investment group now, just out of
curiosity, how did that kind of come together?
Was it just you guys all, you know, looking for something to
do? And you said, you know, let's,
let's try real estate, let's trysome houses, let's.
(02:57):
It actually started because a few of us were in a group chat
and. Yeah, I wish I was Ness.
Nobody asked me. No, you're, you're more than
welcome. I would love to have you in the
group chat. I want to be in the Husky
investment group. How do you get in the Husky
investment group? Is there actually actually as
you have to pass it is. It is possible, it's just, you
(03:18):
know, a small investment just got to be.
I know, I know, I know. Just.
Keep football player and then a small investment really.
Yeah, yeah. And so it started with a group
chat with like you, Fincher, MO Sam.
And then you just kind of decided now is the Husky
(03:38):
Investment group technically a business?
Is it like an LLC? It it is an LLC.
Oh, OK, cool. See, and we've just done 2
projects so far. We did a yeah, we did a flip
last year and then we just acquired a multi family and you
know, we're just taking it step by step.
Good for you. Yeah, yeah.
(04:00):
Good for you. Good for you.
Now you also are licensed, correct?
You got you. You did get your yes.
When when did that happen? I got my license in the middle
of 2022. OK.
I don't my personal niche is notspecifically to do like sell
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single family homes. I really just on, you know,
acquiring investments, you know,helping people get started in
real estate, that type of thing.Oh, so OK, kind of like what
Sam's trying to do now. Sam's trying to be more of like
a consultant and helping people get started and, you know,
walking them through the process.
(04:42):
I talked with him and that's whyI want to get you on Laban's
podcast, Laban Marsh. We do we, we do a real estate
prod podcast Broker. It's called broker.
Then you. That's what Laban wanted to call
it. And I know nothing about real
estate. So it's kind of funny the
questions that get asked. He gets a lot of viewers
(05:05):
questions and then he gets questions from me.
So it's kind of, it's kind of funny because I, I just don't
know. And there's so much to it.
So it's kind of amazing. Now I know that you grew up in
Hicksville, Long Island. Did you play football early on?
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Were you did you play as as a youth like 8?
Nine years old. So I started about 10 and it was
because my, two of my my best friends growing up, Matt and
Adam Lachoff, you know, I hung out with them all the time and
we used to play in the street and they were like, you should
come play. And so I started playing at 10.
But at that age, I was always kind of like fast, but I was
(05:52):
scared of the contact. Yeah, yeah.
The first like three years I kind of just sat on the bench
because even though I could run,I'd.
You, you shy away from. I can't even believe that.
I can't, like, picture Razul Wallace shying away from
contact. Yeah, that right there just
blows my mind. Yeah.
(06:13):
Oh, you. You initially did not like
hitting. Initially I didn't.
That's, that's funny. That is, that is something I
would not have ever believed. Yeah, like I, I think I was
around 13 and I just got tired of being scared, really.
So then. I well, you you also have a huge
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family, correct? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, did, did and and they played as well, right?
Nope. No, they didn't.
The only one. You were the only one that
played football. And then my younger brother kind
of kind of played Africa after Idid.
He played also. But outside of that, we didn't
really have anyone else in my family that played.
So, I mean, it sounds like you really didn't enjoy football
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early on, but you played anyway.When did you?
When do you think you started tolike, enjoy it, would you say?
Probably about when I was 13 andI just got.
Tired of? Being afraid of hitting.
And I said, you know what? I'm just going.
To quote. And and go as hard as I could
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and that I knocked someone who was like the best player in the
team on his butt and I was And after that I was like, Oh well,
I can do it and then. Well, 'cause you did you play
both ways. I didn't so my high school I
didn't actually, but I before that I played defense and and
(07:40):
some running back. Oh, you have to play some
running back. Let's play a little bit.
And like JV and junior high? Yeah, yeah.
And youth football. But defense.
Defense was always my primary. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, you, you are the prototypical Mike linebacker.
I mean, that's that's your thing.
(08:01):
So did you play varsity as a sophomore?
No, no. No, you were on JV as a
sophomore. Yes, in my school it was a very
unique situation. It's all boys Catholic school
and yes from what I remember theonly time guys would play up is
like after if the JB season ended early.
(08:23):
So that, you know, that makes sense now.
That's why you've got so many girls in college, because you
went to an all boys school. There were no girls.
So you had to make up for it. Yeah, that's OK.
Listen, we we, we tell everything on here.
I told a story about how I got Iaccidentally took edibles and
(08:45):
got high and filled out an application to go to Mars.
For some reason I got an discussion for a mission to Mars
and I started looking for them and I found 1 and I applied to
go to Mars and everyone was great.
But I found out some things thatwere kind of disturbing.
(09:07):
The first is I have no skills. Like if you need to build
something, I can't build anything.
I can't help build, I can't helptake things apart.
I can't that contribute anything.
So I put like my, my contribution would be promoter
of goodwill. I would just like make everyone
happy and laugh and night, you know, be nice.
(09:29):
You got to be nice. You're in a you know, you're,
you're building the space station, so you're kind of
confined. So I, I got to listen.
It took me an hour to fill out this application.
And at the end of it, there weretwo things I found out that
number one, there was a weight limit.
You had to be 215 lbs or under to qualify because you know,
(09:55):
they, they will wait on the ship.
So I knew that, you know, obviously you have to get
gastric bypass surgery to, you know, get down to 215.
I'd look emaciated. Yep, you start. 2:15.
What's that? When's the last time you saw
215? The last time I saw 215 was
probably my freshman year in high school.
(10:18):
Freshman year. Yeah.
So that that was disturbing. And then the second part was
you're going to Mars and you're building the space station, but
you're not coming back. You're just staying there.
So I read that too and I'm like,you're going but you can't come
back. That is no.
(10:38):
I I signed up, I filled, I filled out the application.
They're going in 2026. I may get picked still, Who
knows, you know, maybe my application gets picked even
though I have, I have zero. It was just, it was just kind of
hurt, hurt me when I was going through like can you like, I
can't change a light bulb. Like I, I would be useless
(11:02):
building a space station. And this is like, you know,
you're if if you screw up, like somebody blows away and just
falls into space and dies. So that kind of made me nervous.
But yeah, so that we, we tell everything on here.
So don't, don't worry about that.
You know, the women that you gotin college is something you
should be proud of. We, you know, we the, the guys
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brag about it all the time. So you played varsity as a
junior and senior? Yep, I actually I didn't play my
junior year 'cause I had a stress fracture.
Are you kidding me? Yeah, yeah.
Only my senior year I got to play varsity.
You you missed your entire junior year.
Yeah. Did you were you able to go to
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any camps between your junior and senior year?
No, no. How did?
You get recruited. Honestly, so I I didn't really
know anything about recruiting at all and.
Yeah, I didn't I. Yeah, you didn't either, I
guess. Well, I mean, we just sent out
tapes. We just made tapes and sent them
out to my father got a machine where you could dub them, you
(12:12):
know, the black tape and the game tape, and it would dub it
really fast. And then we'd mail it out to
places. And then it'd be funny.
The schools that didn't like youwould just send the tape back.
But yeah, that's how we did. So you, you, I mean not having
film or anything. No.
What did you? What did you do?
(12:33):
It wasn't even on my radar, to be honest, but my high school
coaches were actually like, pretty good about it.
OK. And they had some relationships
with with different coaches because it got from guys getting
recruited in the past. And you remember coach too of.
Course. Yeah, of course.
Coach too. Actually.
(12:53):
He was. He went to my high school and he
was AD coordinator at Upenn. So I was, yeah, interest from
like Ivy League schools, and Coach Orlando was with him at
Upenn. You got interest from Ivy League
schools? Yeah, yeah.
What the hell did you get on your SAT I think?
I got a 1260 or 12 OH. My God, Razul's smarter than me.
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I got like a 980 on my SAT now Igot a 10.
I got a 1080 on my SAT. You got a 12 something on your
SAT? Yeah, you know, it's funny.
Me and Kathy got the exact same score.
So whatever score she had is what is what I had.
Well you you legitimately could have gone to an Ivy League
school. You would have qualified because
you probably had a high GPA too.Yeah, so I I had, I mean in our
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school we did it, they did the old school percentages.
So I was like, which I guess would have been like AB student
in high school. So you were like a three LB.
Yeah, yeah. It was a 12/30 SAT.
Yeah. Yeah.
So you would have, you would have, you would, you would have
barely qualified for an item, but you would have qualified.
Barely. Like kind of like they can they?
(14:03):
Have a banding system. People in that low range.
Yeah. They were willing to bring me in
there. Yeah, yeah.
Because I, I coached at an Ivy League school.
I coached at Dartmouth and there's low band, mid band, high
band, and then like super high band.
You would have been like low kind of low to mid.
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But it's fine. I mean, it's it's amazing that I
had no idea that you qualified. So Toup was recruiting you to go
to Penn? Yeah.
And so that's how you had a relationship with him.
Yeah. And then did you say Orlando?
Yeah, Coach Orlando was with Toup at Penn.
Or OK, I didn't know that Orlando was at Penn too.
(14:46):
OK, cuz that's crazy. So Randy got Toup and Orlando
from Penn and he got Norice and Dave Warner from Bucknell.
That's funny that he went to thePatriot League in the Ivy League
to get some coaches. So Toup, you know, in in
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Orlando, obviously. So you OK, so you went.
Must have been a Randy guy. I was actually offered as a late
junior by Skip. So Randy must have offered you.
It must have been Randy's peoplethat offered.
You did. So you must have like killed it
(15:28):
your senior year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did.
I did it right. But I think I just, I wasn't, I
don't like, I don't know, stats,you know?
Football. Q was never my strength.
You know what? I.
Mean no, no, it was not. You were you were not.
You were not football savvy. You were not definitely, you
were not football intelligent, but you could hit people in
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tackle. I could run help.
I could run, hit and tackle. Yeah, yeah, I, I know.
So they, they obviously must have recruited you.
And did they bring you on an official visit in like December
or or January? At Yeah, at Upenn I I did my
official visit at Upenn. Oh, you did.
(16:10):
You did go to Upenn first. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh wow, in. The midst of that, I guess, is
when they switched over. When they switched, right?
Towards the end of it, I I thinkI took my last visit to UConn.
So how many visits did you take?Did you take all of them?
Yep, I, I think, my God, I thinkI went to, I went to Upenn,
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Bucknell, Holy Cross, Columbia and UConn.
Oh, my God, you went to the cross?
Who? I coached the Holy Cross.
That's incredible. I didn't.
I had no idea that you had opportunities to go to such high
academic schools. That's that's really impressive.
(16:54):
No, I mean, really, I I didn't know Holy Cross.
I love and I I coached there 10 years.
But Worcester Worcester's a dump, but now is they just don't
win. Penn is very good.
You know, I Penn would have beena nice spot, but that's so
(17:15):
that's interesting. So what made you what what sold
you on Yukon? Probably because the
scholarship, because back then those schools, you know what it
was financial aid. It was it was based on your
household income, how much moneyyou would have.
To pay, right? So the full scholarship,
probably. Yeah, you can together a pretty
(17:38):
good package, but yeah. We did.
But but the full scholarship couldn't be there.
And the other thing too is just just I just wanted to test my
medals. So I wanted to really just
compete at the highest level I could.
That's how I was too, yeah. Yeah.
So that's how I was, dude. I like like I I was offered at
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Northeastern, Maine, New Hampshire, UMass, Buffalo and
the only other like Rutgers, theonly they were the only one a
schools. But I wanted to like I committed
to UConn without even visiting, without even seeing it.
I just said that they're, you know, they're going to be going
(18:21):
one a big E I'm in. You know, I I didn't, I didn't I
committed, but worse because. In Northeastern, have some, you
know, they, they, they, they comparably, I think what made
you just say UConn over like, you know.
Well, 'cause 'cause you. When I was told UConn was going
1A, we were going to the Big East.
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That's the, that's the whole reason I took it.
Like if it had like 0 to do withthe school, I didn't care what
it looked like. I never visited.
I wanted to play at the highest level.
So when I heard that, you know, they're, they were going to 1A,
that was it. I was like, OK, I'm going to
Econ. And this was when, I don't know
(19:05):
if you remember, the Patriots were flirting with building the
stadium in Hartford and moving and then give.
Me something like that. What's that?
You were supposed to be like sharing the stadium.
Yeah, you're going to share it with them?
Yes. But it turned out Bob Kraft was
(19:25):
just using it for leverage to get what he wanted.
So he got the stadium built in Gillette, but we we still were
going 1A. Sorry, my throat's dry.
So what was interesting is Mr. Perkins, he was the best, the
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athletic director, he got a waiver from the NCAA because,
you know, you had to have a stadium that held 30,000 people
or more to be 1A, and we did not.
Ours was 16,000. So we got a waiver until we got
our stadium built so we could play 1A.
(20:15):
And then they got the money and I believe they broke ground in
2001. But it was it was amazing, like
how how they did it. And Razul, like I talked to I,
I've done, I know you probably don't watch my Husky talks, but
you should. But I, yeah, you do.
(20:37):
OK. Well, I did it with some of the
older guys like Wilbur Gilliard,Robert Belcour, guys that played
in like the early and mid 90s and they were being told then
that, hey, by your sophomore year we're going to be in the
Big East. Oh damn.
Yeah, it was, It was. I had no idea that it it started
(21:00):
back then. And do you do you know what
prevented it from happening? What?
It was the people, the people who lived in stores, they did
not want the traffic on I-9195. Yeah, they're worried.
(21:20):
That's why we that's why we never got the stadium on campus,
because they didn't want trafficon 195.
It was ridiculous. They fought it and fought it and
fought it and fought it and it was such bullshit.
So that's why I got built in East Hartford.
How do they deal with the traffic?
Because Gamble must create a little bit create.
Some that's what I said. That's what I said, but you
(21:40):
know, gamble, you're talking 10,000 people.
Us we would have been talking 40,000 people.
Yeah. So that's that's kind of why
they Pooh poohed it. But credit to, you know, I
always I had I had Randy Epsiloncoach Etzel last year.
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And if you look at it, what he did is a first time head coach
was absolutely remarkable. You know, in his first five
years, he was able to get a stadium built.
He got us to 1A in the Big East and then he got the first indoor
(22:22):
football complex ever in the Northeast.
UConn was the only one that had that.
So Coach Etzel, you know, he fundraised.
He knew what he wanted. And you know, that's why he was
built. He was the groundwork that built
the program. I, I wanted to do like a podcast
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special about it and talk because, you know, I feel that
he's kind of been, you know, forgotten and there's a sour
taste in people's mouth after the second time he left.
But I mean, he really was the architect that built our
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program. I give him all the credit in the
world. So you go to UConn.
Who hosted you on your visit? Jamar.
Oh, you had Jamar all right. Love Jamar.
Yeah. Oh yeah.
Show me. Ron had a good time.
You had a good time and so when did you commit?
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I mean, probably right away. I probably knew before we got
there that I was. Oh, you did.
OK. So you see?
So you committed like on the spot.
That's awesome. That's awesome.
What what do you, what would yousay, like made you commit?
Was it just because it was the highest level?
I think, well, I think it was the, the, the fact that it was a
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scholarship and the highest. Level the scholarship and the
highest level. OK, Now we endured the worst
experience I've ever had in my life, which was freshman
practice when we got there. Now I come to find out I have.
I've talked to other people. Nobody else did this.
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It just seemed to be like a Randy thing and, you know, it
got banned after us. You mean like freshman camp?
Yeah, the freshman camp we did. Nobody else did that are.
You sure? I I thought other schools did
it, but just we were like the last after like our years, like
all schools just did away with it.
But I thought it was a. More they they all did away with
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it, but not everyone. Not everyone did it like we did.
As far it was more of like a walkthrough.
It wasn't like a full pads like practice like we got like I'll,
I'll I'll never forget it. Like those were like the four.
I think we had two double sessions and they were the
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hardest in my life. And because in between we had to
do orientation, if you recall, Iremember I couldn't walk because
really logistically it was just a nightmare because you had to
walk everywhere and the, the stadium's up here and you got to
go here. And I, I just remember being so
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sore. Now my, my greatest memory is
Razul. After the first practice of the
freshman practice, we had five offensive lineman.
OK, one of them, we go to lunch with his name.
The guy's name is Chris Johnson.We go to lunch with him.
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We come back, we go and we we get dressed for practice.
There's a note in his locker saying that he quit, he's done.
He can't do this. He quit after the first
practice. It was, it was hilarious.
And then of course, I'm sure youremember the ballot of Eric
Hiltz. You remember Eric Hiltz?
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I remember Eric. Hiltz Eric Hiltz was my
roommate. Razal, you want to know what
Eric Hiltz did his first night? The only room together, OK.
You know, we had to get up in the morning and get pissed,
tested and whatever. And everyone was uncomfortable
and upset. I mean, I cried when I got
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dropped off. My father was upset, You know,
we all were kind of homesick. But so the first night we get I
I get into bed to sleep, Hiltz is just sitting there like this.
And I go, you go, hey, man, you,you, you want to go to bed?
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He's like, what? You can turn the lights out.
I'll, I'll go to bed soon. Alarm grows.
Alarm goes off at 5:00 AM. He's in the same position.
I go, dude, I was like, did you sleep?
He's like, no, I'm like, why? It's like I just kept thinking
maybe if I bang my knee hard enough against the dresser, I'll
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hurt myself and then I won't have to practice.
And then, you know, I'm not like, I'm not a psychologist.
I don't know what to say to that.
What am I supposed to say to that?
I'm like, oh, well, well, OK, well, I'm going to go get drug
custody now, but I guess let's go.
So, yeah, we had the the ballad of Eric Helts.
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The freshman camp was absolutelybrutal.
Who was in your group? Was it just you?
Was it you and Jamal? It was so.
It was actually because Jamal was a safety.
Oh, that's right, he was back. He was a part of the defense,
but it was me. Ooey, Mike McIntosh.
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Mac Yep. Greg Smoot.
That's right, Smoot started as alinebacker and then then they
moved him down. The name of the the.
Line. That's right.
That's right. And then we went to the
Berkshires. I, I kind of like the Berkshires
now. Everyone kind of hates on the
Berkshires. I, I, I, I liked it.
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I liked the food. I, you know, it was cooler, You
know, we're out in the country. Were were you a fan of the
Berkshires or no? It was cool, like scenery wise
but you know. I like the food.
The food was good. The food was good.
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I just, you know, just all like football. 24/7 was a lot.
I think that was. My, oh, it was, it was, it was
madness. It was madness.
I've been non-stop. I could not wait to get on that
bus and go back to campus. Well, it was, it was you.
You would practice, then you would meet and talk about
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practice. Yeah.
Then you'd meet and talk about the practice that's upcoming.
Yeah, you'd practice and then you'd meet and you'd review
practice. Yeah.
Yeah, it it, it was just, it wasjust non-stop.
And you're sore the whole time. You the whole time you.
The soreness doesn't let up. Oh yeah, You never get your legs
back. But what was interesting is
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Randy went to the model, I thinkit was after like the first few
days because guys just were couldn't do it.
He went to, he went to the modelof double S, Then the next day
was a walkthrough and then a double double s, then a
walkthrough and a double. He she kind of switched the
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schedule up, which was new at the time.
And now that's really how everyone practices.
Nobody does 2A days anymore. Like when I coached the Holy
Cross, it was same thing. It was a walkthrough and then a
practice. We, I think we did maybe 2
double sessions the whole time. So they, they, they took, they
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took care of us. But you had what, what I thought
was interesting. You really contributed as a
freshman. Like you came in and you
established yourself early on. And I, I just, I, I remember, I
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remember we ran a trap and I hadthe, I had the head and shoulder
fake the defensive end and I hadto go block you.
And I believe you depleted me. Just just what you did.
Like you, you just annihilated everyone and you were playing.
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Were you playing the the mic at the time?
I think I was playing Will at first and then.
I got you were at will. They had ooey at the sand,
didn't they? Ooey.
Was the sand. OK.
And Jamar? Jamar was the Mike.
And Jim was started. I mean, I I, I was planned, but
I was really more back up, I think to Stroh at will.
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Oh, Kamari Strowman, OK. Yeah.
And then? But yeah, you.
But I you eventually took over. I did eventually take over
towards the end of freshman year.
'Cause you, 'cause I know you started in that you, you had a
very good freshman year. Yeah, because like overall our
our freshman class was not great.
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We had. We had.
Guys. I mean, the guys that played, I
mean, it was really you. It was Belisle, you know, It was
Jamal. Yeah, it was smooth.
And myself and Big O, Big O played a little bit.
Boy and Tommy. Oh, that's right.
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We and Tommy, OK, well, that that's not too bad.
But I mean, he had to put he hadto put together patchwork that
class because there were a lot of kids that he ended up getting
rid of, which was funny. And then, you know, it was
disappointing because that freshman year they had some
talent. They probably, we probably could
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have won, but I, I know Randy was looking towards the future.
He wanted to read your guys, which he couldn't because we
had, we had depth, depth issues everywhere.
And that would, but it ended up being a good thing because
freshmen got experience. Yeah, you you got a lot of
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experience as a freshman. I did.
I did. You know, I wanted to ask you,
did you notice or how did you, how did you feel like the first
your first play from scrimmage in college?
Rajul, I for two weeks, I I didn't touch anyone.
I I, I, I, I was playing againstRob Long, the defensive end.
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Yeah. And I, I couldn't do anything
like I I couldn't, I couldn't get in his way.
Like it was it was abysmal. Yeah.
It was such a speed difference, technique difference.
And I'll never forget after the first practice that Chris
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Johnson kid quit. Eric Hilt was on the phone.
He was talking about quitting. And then I, I was, I was on the
phone to go next. And I have, I have no idea how
this happened, but it's a hilarious story.
It was Ed and J, Chuck and I. And I look at Ed.
I don't know, Ed. I go, Ed, what are you doing?
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I'm going to do what you're going to do.
Are we, are we staying? Are we, are we going?
He goes full scholarship man, I'm staying.
I called home. I said my, I first said it was
tough. My, I remember my dad said, you
know what if, if, if it's, if it's bad, you can come home, you
know, you we'll go to SUNY Albany or something and you can
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play there. And I said no, I'm going to
stick it out. And the whole reason I did it
was because of fucking that, because Ed, Ed said we're going
to do it. So the other thing that happened
my freshman year, I don't know if you remember Eric Kilts, OK,
Eric Kilts quits the football team.
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Eric Kilts was my roommate. OK, so those Friday morning
workouts for the guys that didn't play were peer torturer
Mike Golden just brutalized themand Hiltz would just get, you
know, they had them leg pressing1000 lbs and Ed would squat and
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whatever the the two funniest stories were they had to go out
and run stadiums. But the thing was they put 365
on the squat rack. If Ed squatted it once then they
were done. No running if if he didn't get
it, they were going to run. So Ed gets I wasn't there.
I just a second hand. They all told me Ed gets in
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there. He's and and all everyone's
cheering on. Let's go.
Ed, you got this Ed, you got it.You got it, you got it.
So he gets it, he gets it, he gets back and then he he goes
down and then he just goes down,crumbles and Golden goes left us
out to the stadium. Let's go.
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And he set them all out. He had a hobby.
Bed. Didn't he?
Didn't he like messing with Ed? Oh.
Yeah, he hated that because Ed had the Ed had an air
conditioner in his room. Yeah, so it drove golden nuts.
Ed got a note from his doctor saying he had asthma, so he can
get an air conditioner in his room.
It was the smartest thing he ever did.
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Yeah, so he hated that for that.Hilts, OK.
When we would go away on road trips, Hilts would stay.
Hilts was like really homesick. He was a homebody so he would
have like friends come up and stay.
When? He was the masked guy.
He was from Mass, He was close, so it was homecoming.
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He had a friend come up. We are playing Villanova and OK,
I happen to go out. I went out with Antonio, Grant,
Smoot and a couple guys. We get fake IDs.
We go to the pub. I get I get absolutely bombed.
I'm shit faced. I come back to the room, the kid
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is sleeping on the floor. I'm on the blower bunk.
Your hiltz is on the top. I get in the bed. 2 minutes
later I throw up. I throw up all over the kid.
You throw all over. Him.
All over him. I just, I just rolled on them,
Yeah, rolled on them. Fucking hilts goes nuts.
The kid goes nuts. My pukes everywhere.
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So I, I go and you know, we, we try to clean it up as best we
can. I think we threw the comforter
out. The kid ended up I think
sleeping in the hilts is better.Whatever.
So the next day in meetings, because we had just lost the
Villanova in overtime, I believeHilts is falling asleep in the
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meetings and you can watch it. His eyes are going, they're
going, and then they finally go.He's out and Norice noticed
Norice caught him. Norice gets up from his chair
and he gets right in his face. Doesn't say a word, just gets
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right in his face. Two minutes later, Hiltz looks
up and there's this giant black man staring at him.
He goes, He goes like the and Norice is like what the fuck?
Why are you sleeping in our fucking meeting?
This is fucking bullshit. And he goes fucking it was it
was Cully's fault. Cully Cully.
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Cully threw up. He got drunk and puked and it
smelled bad and I couldn't sleep, so I thought I was going
to get read the riot act. I thought I was, I thought I was
fucked. It, it turned out Norese was,
you know, I, I had a 6:00 AM workout or whatever.
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But the veterans were pissed at Hilts.
They're like, for like, you don't rat out your roommate.
Like, why would you rat them out, right?
Well, now Hilts is like, everyone hates me now I have to
leave. So he calls his parents.
We were in the room. 724 calls his parents, says I, I I'm
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quitting. I'm done.
I'm done. And they're trying to talk him
out of it. And I'm trying to talk him out
of it. I get Tommy.
Tommy comes in. Tommy's like trying to talk him
out of it. He's like, hey, man, just stay
here. We'll get through this together.
We're on your side. We forgive you.
We know all this. I bring Ed in.
Worst decision I could have made.
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I I say Ed, Ed Holtz is going toquit.
We got to, we got to, we got to talk him out of it.
OK. Ed walks in.
It's like, hey, so I hear you want to quit.
And Heltz is like, yeah, I can'tdo this anymore.
I was like, oh, well, all right,good luck.
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That's it. That's what he did.
And Heltz's line to his parents was, you can either come pick me
up, I'm I'm either leaving with you in the car or I'm leaving in
an ambulance because I'm jumpingout the window of 7/24.
That's what he said. Swear to God I'll never forget
it. Damn.
Work. So his parents came and picked
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him up. And I had That's intense.
Yeah, that was, that was, that was, that was intense.
But I mean, he really, honest toGod, he shouldn't have been
there. He wasn't, he wasn't in a
scholarship lineman. He was 240 lbs.
He wasn't going to put on weight.
He tried really hard. He just wasn't good.
And he he was a late scholarshipguy.
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So you, I mean, you played phenomenal your, your sophomore
year. You know, our sophomore year was
our one a year. You know, we, we go to Eastern
Michigan. We, we, Jamal laid out Dion
Branch at Louisville, BC. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, do you have any fond memories from the from that
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year? Anything that sticks out.
Oh, a lot of fond memories, I think I was.
'Cause I mean you you. They moved Jamar to D End and I
believe you were the starting Mike.
And I went to Mike and I went toMike and it was, you know, it
was that was actually probably my best year.
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Yeah. To be honest, like my junior
year, I think I was like, I had like heartbreak and that.
Really. I mean, I know the junior year
is they, they had Fincher and they put Fincher in.
Well, not. I think it was really my senior
they put Fincher in, but my junior year I was ready, but I
was really kind of like, I didn't even realize it.
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But looking back, I think I had like a like a mild depression
kind of my junior. Year, a lot of us did.
A lot of us did. Yeah, I did.
I did too. I did too.
I got my junior year. I got moved to guard and I
started and then I got pulled and yeah, I I definitely went
through depression. And that's what Bellamy, if you
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ever, if you ever watch our show, it's called a Huskies
Health. We talk about the the depression
and anxiety and stress that college football players feel,
but all of us pushed through it.You know, we never asked for
help. We always think we can get
through it ourselves. And he said he experienced it,
too. And you know, junior year for me
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was depressing, mostly because Iwas super close with Ryan Tracy.
Oh yeah. I had riot Ryan Tracy up to my
house. I had Ryan Tracy.
I used to go fishing with him. And then he, he disappears at
the middle of the night. Yeah.
And then, then, then, then it's like our season's fucked.
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Yeah, Do you hear from Ryan Tracy?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He ended up playing arena ball
for a little while and then he became a teacher out in
California. I could see him as a teacher.
You remember him? Yeah, He was very, he was very
inquisitive. I use a big word.
And is that, is that a kid? Yeah, this is my baby.
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She's getting ready to go to school.
Oh my God, you have. How many are there?
There's five in our house. I got my three older boys with
coffee. This is Christmas 5.
My girl has one from a previous relationship and we have my
sweet. Sugar together is that?
Is that Kathy? Kathy is who my three older boys
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are with. OK, OK.
Yeah, I heard they're great wrestlers.
They are. They are.
Yeah. Great kids.
OK. Hi.
Yeah, she is. She is cute.
I like that hat. You like being on a podcast?
You're on a podcast, you're going to be seen by millions of
people. Yes, Yes, you are.
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So what? What do you think the struggle
was your junior year? Because, I mean, were you?
Were you? You were playing right.
I was playing, I was playing, but.
I just you weren't playing. Well, I wasn't playing well, but
it was like, I think it, I don'tknow if you remember Sarah, but
I think that was like the first,like real girlfriend I've had.
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Yeah, yeah, I do. Like that heartbreak, really
just kind. Of yeah, it carries over.
It's tough to separate. It really is.
You know, I've been there when, you know, your relationship
falls into your professional life, which was football.
So between the breakup with Sarah and then football, I mean,
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it was it was a struggle for youyour junior year.
Yeah. And, you know, then your senior
year, I know Fincher came in andthat's when you kind of rotated
with him. Yeah, not so much.
I was really more on the bench. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it was, it was just, again, it was, it was not your
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physical talents. I mean, you, you had the body of
a Greek God and you, you could read and you can hit.
It was just schematically, you know, it was, it was a little
bit more difficult with the coverages and your
responsibilities. So that's why, But I mean you
still, I mean, you must have started 30 games plus.
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I, I think you did. I, I'm pretty sure you, you're,
you're a 30 plus game starter because you played as a
freshman. He played as a sophomore, he
played as a junior and you know,you rotated in as a senior.
So you must have gotten 30. Were you were you?
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I mean, our senior year was justunbelievable.
I remember being two and six andyou know, the rally started with
Kent State and Florida Atlantic and then we shut out Navy at
Navy and then Iowa State. And to me it just seemed like
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finally, like all the work we did, like it paid off.
It paid off. We beat a Big 12 team that was
ranked, that was going to a bowlgame and we beat the, we beat
the hell out of. And I thought at that time,
Razul, we were playing so well. We could have beaten anyone if
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we had gone to a bowl game or whatever.
But I mean, your, your experience overall.
I mean, would you, you were, would you say you were happy
with it? Like you love, you love the
campus, you, you love the atmosphere, you love being on
the team. Oh yeah, I loved every bit of it
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except that that freshman camp was terrible.
That freshman camp was the worstthing I ever experienced.
I tell everyone that. You know what I'm saying?
I'd asked you about your your first play from scrimmage.
I just, yeah, I get killed. I get killed.
I didn't touch. My, my first play from scrimmage
in college and it was, you know,we were all together with the,
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the upper class. Yeah, I didn't, I didn't even
move. I couldn't.
You. Yeah, you.
Couldn't distinguish is everything was flying by my face
so fast. Yeah, you didn't know where?
You didn't know where to go. Anyone.
And and I remember at that time I was like, I was like, damn, I
think this is. I think I'm out of my league
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here, you know, because it, yeah.
And it's it was such an adjustment.
Such an adjustment. Coach Orlando runs onto the
field. He screamed.
What the fuck are you doing? Like I was like I just I.
I don't. I, I don't know.
I don't know. Well, like you and myself, New
York State football is not very good.
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Yeah. So it's it's quite an
adjustment. It is.
And if you ever watch this high school highlight tape, which is
the greatest thing in the world,he played against midgets for
three years. He's basically tossing midgets.
The only guys, the only guy who really had a pedigree coming out
was Tommy. Tommy played at the bull school
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in Florida and then he transferred out and he, he was a
true like talent who could have gone somewhere.
Jamal was the kind of similar where he, you know, he he he was
a hitter, but he, he just didn'thave the speed to, to be a
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safety to cover ground. Yeah, Big O rotated in and play,
you know, he played here and there.
Yeah. And UI was, UI was really the
star. I mean, UI was the guy who was a
freak. He was a freak.
But I always said you and UI, I was petrified to shower because
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of you and UI, because I, you know, I, I, I didn't shower the
first week and the, the guys caught me and they, they told me
like, dude, you got a shower. I, I would go back to the dorm
and the Berkshire and shower because I was afraid to walk in
because you know, you, you guys were packing heat and I, I was
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like, I, I was terrified. And they like, I look at you,
you and OE and there's just anacondas everywhere.
Like where, where, where do I go?
So I I finally did and you know,I I, I had to show what I had
and it's just it, it's so emasculating to not make drop I.
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I don't remember being that muchof a difference.
Oh, it was a big difference. Like if I, if I had what you
had, I'd be, I'd walk around naked all the time.
I'd throw it in everyone's face.I'd say look at this and you
know, Terry's description was a Pringles can.
He said it was a, it was a Pringles Cam.
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So I mean, if, if I had that, I,I would be naked all the time.
And I always say I'm going to save my money and I'm going to
go to New York, $30,000. I'm going to get the surgery,
the John Wayne Bobbitt surgery where they'd make it bigger.
I'm going to get a monster, I'm going to get like a 12 incher.
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Can you make it work though? When they do that, how does?
That yeah, yeah, yeah. John Wayne Bobbitt, I mean, he
had some complications, but theythey got it right.
And he he had a hog for a while.Well, that was that's kind of my
goal. But we we finished our careers.
I thought it was nice that CoachEtzel gave us all the MVP
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awards. Yeah.
Because we we really put our blood, sweat and tears into that
program. And I, you know, we were the
foundation. I really believe we were.
Yeah, even Rashad. Rashad came in with us too.
That's right, he transferred. He transferred from Wisconsin.
Yeah, yeah, I remember he and then so I, I'm trying to
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remember like afterwards I went and played arena ball.
I played for the Albany team. Yeah, dude, I can't remember if
you played right away or you went later, because I know I
went to the Dragons workout withyou.
I, I didn't really end up playing.
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I, I went to a couple of tryoutsand yes, yeah, did the tryouts,
but. Yeah, for Lena, but it just
wasn't a fit. Materialize into anything
though, yeah, yeah. And then I ended up going to NFL
Europe. So what what did what did you
end up doing career wise to start?
Because I didn't. I didn't know.
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I was doing like a personal training for a while.
And then, oh, you were OK. Did personal training and then
coffee. Got pregnant and I moved back to
Connecticut from New York. And then I was oh.
You weren't. You weren't in Connecticut.
No. So I moved back to New York for
a couple years. Oh, OK, All right.
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And then and then. Back she back and forth between
Connecticut and New York. Was the was the was the
pregnancy like did did did something you wanted or was it
like kind of a surprise? It was, it was not planned.
It was a surprise. So you kind of slipped one
through. That's good.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess. And so was that.
Was that the boy? That's my my SO, my 3, both sons
(52:38):
that are yeah, kids are three boys.
And they're older now. How right?
How old are they? They this year they turned 1917
to 27. Yeah, I'm blown away.
And now Cat Car. Is it coffee or cafe coffee?
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Kathy OK, She said that they allwere tremendous wrestlers.
Man. Did you get them into wrestling?
I just wanted them to play a sport just 'cause I knew how
good. Sports are, yes.
Yes, I tried them with football.I think they just didn't like
the cold and I think they liked wrestling 'cause it was indoors.
But to me, wrestling is is grueling and.
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Oh, it's, it's tough. It's the toughest thing ever.
Yeah, but they stay stuck with it.
And they became like. So you said A13A-17 and a 19
year old? Yeah, 1917 and 11 this.
Year 1917 eleven OK, and I thinkshe said the 11 year old may be
the best one. Well, he's he's the most
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aggressive and I think he's going to be the biggest one.
And do you actually work with them?
Do you train them? Well, the old we work out
together. And yeah.
I understand body positioning from football, right?
Leverage. But you leverage, right, but not
to the technical depth of wrestling.
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So I give them the best of what I can give them, right?
I figure out where, if there's ways that we can get like more
like better insights and stuff like that.
So. Do they do they get any like
personal training or do they just do it on their own?
The the physical part is just stuff that we've just worked out
together for years. Yeah, OK.
And then they they get coached by the team, right?
(54:27):
By teams or like different people?
Or are they on any club teams? Is there club teams?
OK, they do both and they have performed well like.
Yeah. And they gone the the the 19 and
the 17. Did they go to the states at
all? They make it that far.
(54:47):
So my old. Is not really.
He won a double L state champion.
Oh my God. My second son, I definitely see
that for him too. He's he's like just he like.
So I think, you know, stay open.And what weight class?
He's at 165 right now. OK, he's a junior, so he has one
(55:10):
more year, but he's very motivated.
Good. He's good.
That's awesome. Does he play anything else?
He might, they might run track. So that's the thing like
because. Or perform just throw them.
Well, they're they're faster than I was.
When I see them run, I'm like. Oh, are you serious?
Yeah. They probably I'm I'm guessing.
(55:31):
They oh, because Kathy can can run too.
Yeah. So I mean, you, you guys were
good for breeding. I mean you, you bred monsters.
If I I didn't want to force them.
But he played football 1. He went, he started the season
football one year and his high school coach was like, I think
he can lead the state in Sachs, my oldest son, but he hated it.
(55:54):
He and I was like, he would comeover every day.
So I was like, I was like, because everyone was like you.
Sure. How long did he how long did he
practice for with the team? I had like the first week or two
like. It wasn't for him.
One year JV, which is kind of him just getting a feel for it
and then he came back junior year in the beginning of the
year and I think he had a betterfeel for it.
(56:14):
He just was not into it at. All Was he playing defensive
end? Yeah, 'cause he didn't have the,
it's like kind of knowledge, butsize, strength and speed, that
would have been, that was the perfect place, 'cause you don't,
it's not as, I guess, technical.There's not as many.
No, no, no, it's not. You're you're pass rushing.
Yeah, I I get it. So he he didn't like it, but he
(56:35):
he did fall in love with wrestling and he won the Double
L state championship. He he did.
He did. That's amazing.
And then what did he, what did he do afterwards?
Did he, did he go to school? Does he go to school now?
He's not interested in school atall.
Good. Good.
(56:55):
Yeah. I wasn't trying to force it.
So he right now he he helps me with some some stuff sometimes.
Good. That's awesome.
He's getting his EMT because he wants to be do firefighting.
Good. Good.
Yeah, because college right now with how expensive tuition is.
It's. I mean, unless you're going to
go to an Ivy League school, it'sreally a waste.
(57:19):
I mean, I if you asked me that like 10 years ago, I would have
said that's awful. He should be going to college.
But from what I know now after being a college coach and seeing
everything and like just what a business college is, it's just
ridiculous. And now with the NIL stuff.
Oh yeah. It's it's just out of control.
(57:42):
So did you, did you get married to Kathy for for how many years?
We were together for a total of about 11 years.
I didn't get invited to the wedding, so that's
disappointing. Where?
Where we? We had a really we we got
married in our living room, the only.
People. Oh, OK.
(58:02):
Our parents and our siblings. How did you propose?
Was it romantic? Oh, it was.
It's funny because, you know, afterwards she was like, I don't
even, that's not even the type of proposal I would have wanted.
But so it tells you kind of, butbasically I was, I was
graduating from the police Academy and at the graduation, I
(58:23):
kind of, you know, propose at the graduation for the police
Academy. Oh OK, I see that.
And then now she ends up being the first fire woman
firefighter, female firefighter in Norwich, I believe.
Yes. OK.
Did she did she do that before or after you guys separated?
(58:50):
After. Oh, shoot, after.
OK. Just talk to me a little bit
about marriage. Is marriage just, I mean, is it
not what you expect? Did you live together before you
got married? Yeah, you did OK.
And you, you had already had kids, right?
(59:10):
So we. OK.
We had two sons and we had already purchased our first
house together. Was it Malta?
Wow. And were you doing real?
Estate at the time I wanted to, I wanted to, but.
You were training. I had, I think I had tried like
a few different business ventures and I think at that
(59:30):
point she just had a little faith in my ability to kind of.
She she had a little faith in your ability.
Yeah. Yeah.
Well, I mean, it's, it's, it's tough.
I mean, that's the one thing Laban will tell you when we do
our our show Thursday. The market is just sick.
So cyclical that it's, it's verydifficult to manage.
(59:52):
And Newsy we talked to as well. You talked to Newsy?
Yes, we actually, we did a talk at at UConn for real estate
professionals and I got a chanceto catch up with Newsy there.
Oh good. Yeah.
And so we, we, we did get to catch up.
It is, I think we personally, especially if you buy well or
(01:00:13):
you buy right, it actually can help you to navigate up and down
market. Right.
If you because if the one of thebiggest variables could be like
the interest rates. So if you're yes, but the two to
four unit space you can kind of lock into a long term more
interest. Rates we want correct.
When you're in the commercial, you know they they tend to be
(01:00:35):
more. That's exactly what Layman said.
Yeah. Wow, wow, that yeah, that this
is going to be great when you talk with them.
So now, right now was was the test hard to pass it?
(01:00:56):
It wasn't too if I if you're taking it, I would take it as
soon after you take the course as possible because you got to
take the course. Once you took the course and
then you did the test. I think you're required to take
a course before you can take thetest and I just did one at Three
Rivers here in Norfolk. And so your your marriage was
(01:01:18):
good for a while and then it just kind of went downhill.
I think you know, to be honest, me and copy are actually really
good friends now. You are that's what she she
said. She said you're great friend, so
you. Have a good a great relationship
we live about. You're good, You're very good Co
parenting, she said. Very good.
We have a great relationship. We're good, we're good friends.
(01:01:39):
She actually had had me had us over for for Christmas.
Yeah, you get along great. It's funny how marriage screws
up everything. Yeah.
When when When you're not married, you're you're much
better off. Yeah, well.
That's why I say marriage is a failed institution.
I kind of agree with that, but also we.
(01:02:00):
Had. Personal stuff too, where like
you know where I I had a hard time being navigate being with
one woman essentially. Well, everyone does.
Everyone does. That's not that.
It's human nature. It's human nature.
You know, no guy is going to be satisfied for the next 4 years
(01:02:25):
with one vagina. It's just, you know what you're
going to get. Well, well, I'll, I'll say this,
I think, and this is kind of part of my personal spiritual
journey is that. I mean, an open marriage maybe
can work, but you mean the one, the one vagina, 40 years.
(01:02:47):
I mean, and, you know, it's that, that, that that's it.
That's what you're getting. There's no surprises.
Yeah. You can't dress it up.
It is where it is. Dress it up a little bit with
some, yeah. But it's the same thing with
you. I mean, the Pringles can, it's
coming. Yeah.
You know that, that there's nothing else you can do.
(01:03:07):
This is what you're getting. And it's the same thing over and
over. And it's very difficult to to,
to spice it up and, and make it satisfying for both people.
Right. Yeah.
It can be, it can be and then other thing too is like I think
that there is. I think we also like were good
(01:03:30):
friends and we were very like attracted to each other.
You were, yeah. We had, I think we kind of had,
we have a foundationally different beliefs and like.
Foundationally, like religious. I would say like, like she's
copy is like pretty conventional, you know, and.
(01:03:50):
What do you mean? Like conservative or?
Traditional like and just her thinking like, OK, she is a very
traditional like thought process, whereas I'm, I would
say I'm probably very unconventional and yeah.
Yes, you are. Yeah.
But I am too. I'm very unconventional.
Oh, you are. You are as.
Weird as they get, you always get.
(01:04:11):
Along. That's why we always gotten
along 'cause we. Both.
So I just out of curiosity, whatwhat led?
Oh, you have to get going. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to keep
you. It was just we were having a
great conversation. Oh God, I appreciate it.
I'm glad that we'll get to talk some more later this week.
No, we will. We will listen.
(01:04:32):
No, it's good that you you guys are good friends.
You're raising your kids. They're all doing well.
It's great to do that. They're doing wrestling.
I I love you. I love playing with you.
I love hanging out with you. We had a ball together.
We. Did.
I I miss you? I'm definitely.
(01:04:53):
Coming back to Connecticut anytime soon?
I'm going to, I'm going to try to get up and and see you guys.
Yeah, 'cause we're actually working now, our podcast
network, we're going to be working for the C Club and Kevin
Freeman. Yeah, we're going to try to help
get people. Did you sign up for the C Club
(01:05:14):
yet? I have not yet.
I'm going to send you the goddamn link.
You better sign up. I'm going to sign up.
We got to get people signed up. That's part of our job.
We're going to help raise donations because we have great
content. If you ever look at it, Coach
Schumann's sports and entertainment YouTube channel,
(01:05:34):
That's what all my contents on and I put it on my Facebook as
well and LinkedIn. But his YouTube channel has 1.2
million subscribers and he gets 70 million views per month.
And like this show is great because we're talking about
Pringles cans and locker rooms and all that.
(01:05:57):
I'm going to do a bunch of reels.
Those are going to be hilarious.I'm going to put reels up and
and our show's going to be great.
But so you're you're going to a meeting to sell a house or buy a
house or. Actually to buy one I'm looking
at 1A young kid. Well, listen, I have a tax guy
(01:06:18):
for you that I want you to talk to.
Rennell is amazing. I got to talk to Ro.
He's he will save you like he save people thousands of dollars
and he's gotten people returns. So with your investment group,
you're an LLC? Yeah, he he could get you a
(01:06:38):
return. So is it all right if I have him
call you? Yeah, Hell yeah.
OK, All right. Well, I I will do that, and then
I will talk with you. We're going to talk with Laban
Tuesday. We're going to do a little more
real estate. But Razul, this was a ball man.
I had it. This was a fun show.
I I it's very tough to make a black man blush, but I got you
(01:07:01):
to blush a few a few times. I got you to blush a few times
in. My seat a little bit.
But no, listen, I, I am, I am very happy for you.
I'm proud of you. I'm happy for your for your kids
and your family. And I'm happy you're doing so
well. I really am.
You deserve it. You've worked hard.
So I will say for Razul Wallace,former UConn linebacker and now
(01:07:31):
real estate mogul, part of the Husky Investment Group.
We also have our two sponsors, Dynamic Human Performance owned
by Andre Dixon. You will hear from them.
We will have Julius Trenches of the Trench Mob.
They are in Georgia. You will hear from them.
(01:07:54):
And then we are going to have Pete Finch and the Finch Law
Firm in a pinch. Call Finch.
You're going to hear from Pete. And now I will say again for
Razul, I'm Steve Cully, the bestpodcast host in the universe.
Remember, when life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade.
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Take two oranges and throw them back at life.
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