Husky Talk- Robert And Koz

I have been extremely lucky to have outstanding guests on Husky Talk; however, this episode is easily the best I've experienced. Two UConn Football legends, who developed a bond, and became the best of friends, even years later, came on.

I have to thank Robert Belcuore for making this happen and scheduling the episode. Brian Kozlowski, I remember being terrified to interview him and he could not be a nicer guy. I appreciate both men making time for a podcast that will be a huge help to me, an extremely kind, selfless gesture and shows how UConn Alumni will always support each other.

We had an absolute blast, and I was able to listen to of the best players in UConn Football history reminisce, tell hilarious stories. From the moment Robert and Koz met, to when they became close. Hearing about Koz losing his father days before a game and Robert being there for him demonstrates a connection beyond football. Koz played in the game after his father passed because he knew it's what he would want him to do.

Stories about the crew packing in Carriage House apartments. Campus was not like it is now, with plenty of apartment complexes, Celeron, and another place were the options. Robert talks about how they have many roommates and because rooms were small, mattresses were thrown on the floor. Which was hilarious because when I lived there over the summer with my friends, we did the exact same thing. Bodies were everywhere, the only difference was I used an air mattress, which was popped about 5 different times of course!

Watch the show, I don't want to give too long of a description. For me, it was so cool watching incredible players, who pushed each other on the field, in the weight room, training all summer, to get better. Along with guys, even 30 years later, remain best friends, Brian Kozlowski runs Tagrisk. They can help curate an insurance policy that fits your needs. Tagrisk is your go to for hospitality, and a variety of insurance policies. http://tagrisk.com for a free quote.

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Episode Transcript

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And now for the men of the hour.We have a very, very special.
Husky. Talk.
We have UConn legend and former NFL star Mr. Brian Kozlowski And

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no, I did not have to pay him tocome on the show.
You might. You might have to though.
Yeah, yeah, you could. And I'm legend #2 Mr. Robert
Belcour, who is kind enough to set this up.
I'm very excited. Am I supposed to be on this with
this great legend right here? You're a great legend too.

(05:41):
I'm not I, I, I, I know I put them over a little too much of
my intro, but you're, you're no slops yourself.
I don't give you that. You know what's so funny?
I thought we were prepping for this.
I guess we're going live here, right?
This is the way to do it, right?Cos just jump right in for you,
Cos let's go. That's how we go.
Man. That's how we.
Go Oh God, would you get enough makeup on?

(06:05):
Yeah. We give a podcast host in the
universe. You don't have to prep.
I thought we were prepping for this is great.
We're just going live. What's up, big man?
I'm so I'm so excited to see you.
I haven't seen you in. A while.
So how you doing? How's my guy doing?

(06:26):
I'm doing good. I missed you for oysters the
other night and you snuck off. Well, let me tell you something,
nobody eats like you Cos I'll bedown there in Florida and we'll
get it together without a cow. See, nobody eats like cows.
Right now too. Well, now I'm in New Jersey.

(06:48):
I came back, yeah, I came back. I missed Cos because I I went
across the state, but yeah, because Steve, thanks, thanks
for having me on. Let me I'm trying to change my
name here. I'm I'm I'm definitely
challenged when it comes to technology.
So. If you want to if you want to
change your name, you just have to log out and then you can put

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in your name and your company. I'm here.
I'm here. Ready to go.
OK. Yeah, listen, I will make sure
in the show notes that I get to put up Robert Belcour and Brian
Kozlowski because this will probably be the most watched
Husky talk that I ever had in mylife, so believe me.

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You will. You, you will be, you will be
No, you will be no. I mean, I, I know your, your
history. We've, we've had both of you on
and from the ground up. What my biggest question is how
does a guy from Rochester becomeso close and lifelong friends

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with a dude from Jersey? How?
How? Did you when you?
First met. Well, any help?
Well, yeah. It's kind of funny because,
yeah, we weren't really like I got to you.
I don't know when I went to Yukon, I just kind of went to

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business and got in football mode and got there and then I
don't know, me and Bobby became close Is actually when my my
freshman year is before we played that I think there's a
New Hampshire game under the lights or whatever it was
supposed to be on ESPNI think, and then they cancelled that
part of it, but we still played.But right before all that

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happened, my dad passed away. So and then then my boy Bobby
here, he was the first one to come over when and and say
something to me. It kind of, you know, and then
from there on it kind of just sparked a good relationship of
how much he cared about people. So that's kind of how we kind of

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became close. Well, yeah, I would say that
Coley, he he's lied to because we hated each other when we
first we fought. Like I can imagine he played
against each other in practice. Every day, the double team, the
double team. And then he had, yeah, yeah.
He always gave you the business afterwards.

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So we were known to slug it out.Remember, he was, he was a
transfer. He came in from Virginia
military. If I'm not a mistake, is that
right 'cause Virginia military? Yeah, no.
Well, this was a prep school. Yeah, it came in.
It was like it didn't cut. Yeah, yeah. 14 in Military
Academy. Now it's not really military,

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but it is. Yeah, so he.
Came in. Yeah, one year.
Yeah. And so so he wasn't with our
freshman class, even though we were the same age.
So he's given the business. And yeah, I think when I found
out his dad passed away because at that time Caz's mom had

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passed away. So man, it just I was like, wow.
So I remember, I remember clear as day, exactly where you were
sitting, right? It was on the other side of the
door in the locker room. You were on the other side.
And the fact that you played right, I don't know if you
remembered this, but you said tome, because you're going to play
in this game and you're like I. Remember he told me that?

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Yeah. He's like, my dad would want me
to play. And I was like, man, this kid is
this kid is about as tough as they get.
And I will tell you this, I sentthis on a last call.
I don't know who you guys playedwith out there.
I'm sure it was a lot of tough guys.
But Brian Kozlowski, forget about the hands, forget about
the blocking. As far as pure toughness is

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concerned, nobody in the category, maybe Troy Ashley,
maybe Troy Ashley, which is another another discussion.
But yeah, that's And then from there on in, like if you recall,
'cause they let us room togetheron away trips.
Nobody. Nobody rules off what he.
Did back then offense, defense. Do they do that now or are they

(11:05):
allowed to do that? No, no, they don't do that.
I mean, they didn't even, they didn't even question it.
They're like, OK, and remember, they would do the check
insurance and and we yeah, yeah.And we've been sleeping already
and they're checking to see we're sleeping.
I'm like, Donnie, shut the door.We're sleeping right?
Yeah, we're getting ready. We're getting.
Ready. You don't have to check.

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We're we're already sleeping, you know, so.
Fastest. I mean, you wanted about talking
like I'm going to bed bump. He's out.
I'm like what the hell? I'm like, how did you do that?
The kid, he was a sleep machine.Last night I was on the couch,
Mark said. Are you tired?
I'm like, Nah, I'm good. Boom out.

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It's an art. It's an art.
What can I tell you? It's like the way he's eating
out there. Everything.
Chicken wings at at Ted's. Well, that was an art.
That was definitely an art Jesus, but I mean that.
That's the type of person you are.
I mean, you've even done that with me before you.

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You've always you always have have checked in just to see how
things are going. I mean, you just have like a a
really big heart to do that, especially for someone that you
just met. I mean to to warm up to them and
I'm sure that. He.
He. Probably didn't get that
response from everyone and you really went and opened yourself

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up and said, I'm, I'm here for you.
I, I can't imagine what you're going through.
And that definitely forges a connection right there.
Guys, I love Cos. I love Cos like he's a he's a
brother, you know, and it's, I just was blessed to be playing
with what I would say is probably the greatest tight end

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in Uconn's history. Tommy Collins, no offense, if
you're listening right. Oh, that's Tommy.
Tommy, Tommy. Tommy will probably fight that.
But hey, listen, that's my opinion.
I'm going to stick with it. Yeah, 'cause 'cause and I had a
special bond. It was not only not only when we
first met and then it was also the ruming and then we were, we

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were workout partners. We I don't think we ever missed
a workout. You pushed each other, yeah.
It was. It was we, you know, Coach
Martin would say we got to find a way to tire you 2 guys out
right, 'cause he used to call usthe caveman.
Here come the caveman. We were the only ones who broke
Coach Martin. You broke Martin.

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Wow, he. Could he went so mad, 'cause he
could. He'd make us do so much stuff
and we'd keep going. He's like, let's keep going
wrong with you guys. He was.
He was a classic. I'll never forget one practice
after practice might even been double s back then.
I think we even did triples. I'm not quite sure it was just

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triples. Remember, 'cause he we start off
and we're going to do 4040. We did end up doing forty 40s,
right? He stripped down helmet, then
the pads forty 40s after that was absolutely brutal like
because to this day you know what I'm talking about You
remember the practice where he. Was good, yeah, because we
didn't make the time and then everyone we had to go again and

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again and again and. 4040 after practice in pads in the heat,
I'm like, dude, you're going to you're going to kill us.
But we, that was probably the only one where I was like, OK,
you, you got me. I'm I'm tired.
You know, Oh. My God.
We used to have to do 10. That was our conditioning test.

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We used to have to do 10. And 40 people were.
People were just. Walking.
There's no way I can. Imagine they were walking the
the offensive lineman were like they stumbling.
I would have been power walking.Yeah, so it was the wheat room
and then then we then we roamed,then we ruined the carriage

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house. This is classic.
So, so you like you guys had? A place to the carriage house.
Yeah, so we had a place to the carriage house, right?
Oh, God, Watch this crew. It's Cornelius Benton, who was a
great, great. Quarterback.
Great quarterback, really great quarterback.
And it was him, Mark Chapman, who was another great, great

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player. Second, I take all time in.
Intersecting. He's he's an he's an upstate guy
with cause and you. Yeah.
It was champion in me in one bedroom, So there's three of us
and then there's a small bedroomin Carriage House that it's
caused Lyndon Johnson, who you guys know who coached and Bobby.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. So me and Lyndon, me and this,
it was Cos Linden and Moonsie inone room.
The smaller room. OK, they didn't have beds.
The beds were on the floor. Yeah, that's all that's all
around. These three animals slept
together on the floor with this is you know how big those rooms

(16:12):
were? Yeah, I lived in Carriage House.
Over the summer, the only reasonwhy we did this because we ended
up getting like 1500 after the University of Connecticut paid
us right, right. Jammed everybody in guys, their
breath. It was it was it was atrocious.
It was it was disgusting. That woman, they lived.

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That was that was caveman style.That's how we had to live there
too. There was nothing else you could
do. You just threw a mattress on the
floor and whoever got where theypulled, that's where you ended
up. Funny.
That place, oh the walls were like paper thin.
We had in the winter time, therewas ice on the inside of the

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windows because you couldn't runthe heat because it cost too
much. Shabby had this idea where he
was going to take the electric thing.
I guess his file like switch theelectric thing and see what
electric right, because we we couldn't nobody put the electric
on because it was electric heat.Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Those that that was some some roommate there you're talking

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about some good athletes in there, Lyndon Johnson, Quinny
and Ben Chapman. Muji was a great kicker.
Yeah, we had fun. Yeah.
Remember one day I woke up and there was basketball practice in
our dorm, in our, in our apartment, girls basketball
practice. I was like, really?
We're having girls basketball practice?

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I won't mix any games because some of those people are very
successful right now. Yes, but.
But I was like, OK, we're playing some basketball this
morning. Huh.
Oh God, this is going. On.
That's why that's. Why?
What's going on around here? How long did it take you to to

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move in the carriage house? Did you get to move in like your
sophomore year or was it no? We had it with Junior, it was
you had to do 2 years in the dorms.
Did you? But you didn't get to.
You didn't room together in the dorms.
No, no. But you, but you live together.
I cannot believe that crew you got a carriage house because
back then that was the only. Off.

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Campus housing besides Celeron and the place that was way off
in the lodge. What was the number 5D?
It was 5D, wasn't? It 15 a you remember No I.
Think it was 5D. No, it's 15, a carriage house.

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I'm an elephant. I remember everything so.
Yeah, sure, you got hit in the head enough times, you remember
a lot. Listen.
You were in the perfect place for spring weekend I.
Mean so I'm going to tell you about.
At least spring weekend. So memories.
We used to throw a party, right?It was called, it was, it was,
it was in the IT was in the winter and you had to come in a
bikini right Now this is stores Connecticut, right?

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We're trying to make it like it's Miami because we had a lot
of Florida guys. Saint Thomas Aquinas, Cornelius
from Saint Thomas Aquinas. You know that they were all
everything. That's a great, great football
school. I think Cornelius played with
Michael Irvin down in Saint Thomas, if I'm not mistaken.
So we do a beach party because remember this, we paint waves on

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the wall. We throw pitty glitter for sand,
which was a joke that you couldn't even it was wall to
wall people in our in in this apartment.
It was it was absurd. It was and my mama's thinking.
I won't mention any names, but acertain player decides to walk
through naked, which by the way,you couldn't even tell anyway

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because everybody was so shoulder to shoulder.
And if you didn't come in with abikini or some type of like like
some. We would cut their pants, we'd
cut the girl's jeans like up andthere's only and they would let
us. We're like, why would you even
want to come in here? There's nowhere to go.

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That's. Unbelievably hysterical.
But I mean, the we didn't have aton of stuff to do in stores
there. Was nothing out there was
nothing to do. It was perfect.
You know you had to. You had to create your own your
own fun. So cousin I cousin I also

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decided to take this the same major right political science.
Of course of. Course.
So cousin, you remember Rembish Rembush had started.
It was like you guys do do political science.
I think Chapman too. Chapman, because remember when I
found Mr. Litt, I found that that professor that was on his
way out and we, we, we just wentto all his classes and this guy

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like this guy, this is classic, right?
We do. He was retiring.
And so I was like, gosh, you gotto get lit.
So every time we saw lit, we would sign up.
So I'd give him my paper. This is classic.
I handed A5 page paper which triple space to give 5 pages
really make a paragraph. He would go to his office, he

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would correct it in 2 minutes and give it back to me with AB.
And so I just have the pause to go.
Mr. Lynn, this is a well writtenpaper.
This is a But he'd take it back and give me an A minus and then
give it to me. Oh my God, you remember him
'cause. Oh, God, yeah, I, I think I do.

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Well, if if not, you probably just ruin the guy's career, Bob.
Oh. He's a curious smile.
He's on an eye somewhere with a pension bigger than you could.
Imagine he's probably calling you for some life insurance,
Bob. Yeah.
It's true. It is true.
You follow, I mean. Did you do research or did you

(22:06):
just hear about it? How did you find out the guy was
retiring? That's amazing.
So. It's a good question, right?
So I remember being in one classand you know, there was a guy by
the name of Burns. Burns, if you're if you're
watching this, I, you may be. I just connected with them
recently on Facebook. He was a tall, skinny guy and he

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was a political scientist. Oh, my God, I remember him.
You did. Hilarious with the red hair,
right? Yes.
Yes. Kind of kind of in good shape,
kid. I remember him, Yeah.
So he says Bill Core, you got toget with lit.
He's retiring. And I was like, OK, so I'll tell
'cause I can't even tell Chapmanbecause Chapman never went to
class. I don't think Chapman went to

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ever went to class. I don't even know how he did it.
Chapman, if you're out there, you're a freaking miracle.
Don't tell your kid because yourkids had Columbia, I think,
right? I don't know what he that one
was. No, I'm sure he knows.
I'm sure he knows. So, so Coley, that's how I got
him. There was a kid in class and he
says, hey, take the take lit andand that was it.

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And so, yeah, it's good stuff. The University of Connecticut.
Go Yuka, go Huskies. Let's go, baby.
Well, you both. Came in with TJ right TJ was
that coach that's. Right.
So what was your experience withhim because I've heard so much
from everyone. And you guys are?

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Coming in with him, I heard he was a great recruiter and he
actually, you know, recruited New Jersey well and upstate New
York well. And yeah, but.
You know I do a cause, right? Yeah, yeah.
Oh God, yes, yes, yes. Yeah, you take it away 'cause.

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I mean time Jackson. He was a great guy.
And. I can never say anything bad
around him. He gave us all an opportunity.
He gave us free college and but he did always, I mean, the best
thing he ever did to me was he actually challenged me the first
time I came in there. And because I didn't, you know,
he said he goes, I don't want you to.

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I don't want you to just come here and sit around and play.
I want you to be a, you know, I want you to be a star here.
I don't, you know, when I took it to heart.
So maybe that's why I was beat. The punching Bob in the ribs
after each practice, after each play.
But no, I said no, He, he, he threw the gauntlet out for me

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the first time I sat in his office and I took it to heart.
And you know, and I think that'swhy, you know, I, I like, I
like, I can't even imagine thesekids nowadays.
It's like, Hey, I got to get paid to come to your school.
Couple $100,000. Hell, give me a cheeseburger and
I'd show up. It was like, what the?
Hell, that's what I mean. Come on, you got a.

(24:59):
Little he'll he'll play for foodcheese and burger Not in so so
Jack one time. That's hilarious.
Me and Cos are going to a press press conference.
Remember the press conference? Oh yeah, he used to.
Send both of you for the press conferences.
Yeah, so. So these weren't big press
conference. I don't even know we were going
somewhere, Right. Right.

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He used to drive a big Crown Victoria, which looked like an
old Lincoln, right. So, yeah, he's a big,
intimidating guy. He's about 6-4.
No. Yeah.
And he was a. Captain Form Big big ass.
Form and just a, just a force tobe reckoned with, right.
He he loved me and he loved cause there's no doubt.
So me and Collins are sitting inthe car and he's driving and

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this person is in his way and hepoints in the windshield and
goes like this and the person's dumbfounded.
He just keeps pointing and and he's telling the person where to
go as if this person plays for him.
Gosh, you remember? Oh.
My God, these stories are no, I remember it all.

(26:05):
Oh, God, yeah, I told you. I, I, I can remember it all.
Yeah. I mean, shit, even doing stuff
with Chapman, he took us down to, you know, McDonald's on Will
Manic. There he he was so non verbal at
times. All right.
Went to Willimantic for McDonald's.
Oh, God, yeah, yeah. He goes hey, because it means

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Chapman were up in his office. He's like, hey, you guys hungry?
We're like, yeah, we could eat. He goes, let's go.
Actually in the car, we had no idea where we're going.
And we pull into McDonald's and we're like, all right, good guy.
He was good. I'll tell you, I'll tell you

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another one. This is, this is classic, right?
So I am, I'm a freshman 'cause you weren't there yet and we're
playing Yale. It's an in state game and I'm
living in Eddy, which is alumni.And we have our pregame meal.
I think I told you this on the last call.
And so I kind of stroll out of bed a little late and he's on

(27:12):
the other side of the cafeteria and he's given one of these
like, so I'm like, OK, what doesthat mean?
It means you're not going, you're not travelling.
So he just he just would point, you know, and you'd have to kind
of figure it out. It's just so non verbal.
And so I find myself, I don't know about you.
I find myself obviously mimicking a lot of things that

(27:33):
coaches did. And this is a couple things He
would say, let's give him, let'sgive him some honor.
He would say, and I remember this, we got out tough, the
tough guys. The only constant in life is
change. The only constant in life is
change. I'm always telling my kids.
That that's a great. That's a good one.
Lesson. The only constant life is
change. That's true.
That's true. It is, yeah.

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He was, he was something special.
And like Kyle said, I, he gave us an opportunity and that's all
I wanted was just an opportunity, you know, So I.
Oh. Absolutely, absolutely.
I love them and you. Guys, did you come in?
Was it 9190? 80 yeah, I came in 88 same year,

(28:19):
but he did his prep, so I was there in 8088, first season as a
true freshman. Guys, you guys, I mean, you had
some bad dudes when you played. I mean, that was the era when
you had some tough physical players and the conference was
tough. Did did did you did we talk

(28:39):
about how tough Troy Ashley was on the last call?
Because I don't want to. No, no, no, no, I didn't hear
Troy. So Cos on your opinion, Cos and
I, I point you as the toughest guy and I'll tell I'll tell the
story about Dan, but in your opinion, who was the toughest we
played with? Did you play with?
Did you play with? Troy, yeah.

(29:01):
Oh, God, yeah. I had him that one year.
He was a senior. That's what we should have.
We should have made the playoffsthat year with the team we had.
But yeah, he was A and he could hit.
I'll never forget we were playing Rhode Island in that
game. In some reason, they're running
back. He clothesline this kid on the
sideline. It was the best thing.
I oh the first thing that hit was probably the top of that

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kids head and oh it was great. I mean just he devastated kids.
I mean, he was 8. It was it remind me this little
linebacker we had in the at the Falcons tuggle like just AI mean
absolute hammer just wouldn't knock people out.
So he was about 5-9, right? And his brother Steve was

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Walkerly actually, who played atPenn State.
And yeah, OK, so I was, I was a starting lineman and Troy was
behind me. And I used to always laugh
because I'd suck up all the blocks and he'd come in at this
earlier house. Right.
So this is a true story. This is crazy.

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So we're playing, I think we're playing Delaware, if I'm not
mistaken. And it's away.
And it's a really wet game. It's it's wet.
And somehow Troy gets his fingercaught between the helmet of his
helmet and the opposing player'shelmet, and his finger comes off
just this like part. Right here.

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Oh my God. The the tip I never told you
just about. I I do remember it now, yeah.
Yeah, so he comes to the sideline and Bob Howard wraps
them all up and he's playing with a club, remember, 'cause
he's got the club and they put like iodine all over it.
And so like after the game, we're all in the bus and we're,

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we're, we're waiting to go, but it's taking a long time.
It's like almost an hour just sitting on the bus.
Come to find out, you know what they're doing?
They're trying to find a finger.They're on the field trying to
find a finger 'cause they helicopt him out.
And this, Yeah, guys, he lost his finger and went back to the
game and cost. Tell me if I'm wrong.
No, no, no. This is your freshman, your

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freshman year. I don't think I was there for
that. He he he played the next game.
He played the next game. Were they able to?
Were they able to find it? And no, no.
And, and I hope he watches because I got to tell you, we
got pro players that get hit in the head and they're a little
knocked unconscious and my guy lost his finger, went in, went
back into the game and played next game.

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I mean, just like, like man, he was, he, he wouldn't even talk,
you know, like that. What do you say?
Look up the blocks for me and Bob Howard was still.

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There, he's the ageless Wonder if you ever watch.
Me, he looks the same too. The guy has an age.
He is. He's like the ageless wonder.
He's like that guy. He's like my trainer guy ahead
at the Giants, that Ronnie Barnes guy, that guy's still on
the sideline and that's the sameamount of time.

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It's insane and they both look the same.
When Kyle was playing for the Giants, I would come watch him
play, right? And I was so fired up 'cause it,
it was crazy, 'cause he was playing for the Giants.
And they would practice at Fairly Dickinson, Fairly
Dickinson University in Madison.And here's the crazy thing.
Here's so ironic. I got a job coaching at Fairly

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Dickinson that year, so I'm a coach on the staff.
So I was able to get on the field and I'm watching there.
For camp. Yeah, I watched him and I've
never heard this. Cause one time I'm watching you
and you're burying the kid from Miami.
He was the first round draft pick.
Armstead. Is that the correct name?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

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Jesse Armstead I'm like, man, cause is reach blocking this kid
and I'm thinking that's a cardinal sin.
How is this first rounder getting reach blocked by cause?
And that was when I looked and go, oh, this kid can play.
This kid's going to be able to play here.
There's no question because you know, you're cardinal sin.
You don't get reached. You just can't get reached no
matter why. It doesn't matter who you are.

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And I'm like, he's reaching themlike like he's a a doll.
He's like a rag doll and I knew it.
And I always say I'm going to tell another story.
So I'm a I'm a FCA fellowship for Christian athletes.
It's an event, OK, And the guestspeaker is is Dan, is Dan

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Reeves. OK?
Now there was this player that Cos played with, that me and Cos
were all an All American with his name was Help Me 'cause the
running back from Princeton. No, Keith, the lies.
All right, Keith, the lies. Yeah.
All right, So Keith is up there and he's speaking to the crowd

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and he's saying that he was speaking to one of his former
teammates. And that former teammate said,
he said to his former teammate, Dan Reeves is the best coach I
ever played for. And the teammate responded by
saying he's not only the best coach, but he's one of the best
men I've ever played for. OK, so they introduced Dan

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Reeves and Dan Reeves went through and, you know, did his
his speech. So I go up to at the end to go
talk to Keith Elias, who I had remembered because I met him at
Kaz's wedding. He had gone to Kaz's wedding.
And so I get tackled by by behind and I look at it and it's
Matt de Janeiro. What are the odds?

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I'm like, Dee Janeiro, what are you doing here?
I haven't seen him in like 10 years, you know.
So me and Dee Janeiro go up and we say hello to Keith Elias.
And I said, Keith, have you haveyou talked to Koz recently?
He's like I did. He goes, the guy that I was
talking about was Brian Kozlowski had said about Dan
Reeves. Oh, wow.

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The story gets the story gets crazy.
Are you ready for this? So me and Dee Janeiro go up to
Dan Reeves just to say hello. And we both were like, hey,
coach, you know, we had the honor to play with Brian
Kozlowski. And Dan Reeves says this.
He said, gentlemen, I've coachedin a long, long line of

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football. Brian Kozlowski is the toughest
player I've ever coached. I was like, whoa, I called
Brian, Brian right up. Now you tell me who the toughest
is. That's not surprising at all.

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That's. A true story.
I can only tell you the truth. I didn't make up the story.
That's what happened. That's crazy.
That's crazy. I believe it wholeheartedly.
And I always say to him, I go, bro, you paid 13 years in the
NFL. And he always corrects me.
How many years was it bro? It's 15, but that's fine, Bobby.
That's fine. One on the practice, 414

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playing, one on the practice spot.
Did you get suspended 'cause youdidn't show up to the press
conference 'cause you forgot? No, no, no, no, no.
I could. I could have got to find a
$10,000 God you say? That would have.
Hurt you? That would have hurt.
You would have still be completed today.
Oh yeah, Reeves goes. You know I could find you 10,000
and I go, come on, I go Dan, youknow how I much I like money.

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He's like, coach, I got to make that donation to the University
of Connecticut. Don't care.
I'm. Like he's like, but I'm not
going to do it because I know how you are.
You're. Not got a signing bonus.
He still got a signing bonus. No, that's the that's the thing
that pays my damn life insurancepolicy every month.

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From Bob from Cornerstone Financials.
If you need life insurance, callBobby.
He'll hook you up. I took care.
I take care of my guy, especially ex teammates like
Brian Kozlowski. There's no question that's my
guy. Hey, wait.
There, Why aren't you a sponsor for the Steve Cully Show, Steve?
Oh, Steve, you're double teamingthem.
You had told to come. Out.

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I did not say that for the really good Steve.
I was just popped into my head. Come on.
You. Went you went to UConn, you
played a little football there. Give Steve some money.
You sent the dog on. Me, I did not.
I did not say anything too. Much I'm going to have to
address that. And we could put a cornerstone

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flag right behind him, all in orange.
So every time, you know, let me tell you a story.
So here's Bobby. He's, you know, I always go on
LinkedIn and who's always on earth?
Bob, right. And he's always at these golf.
I'm like, does this kid work? He's always playing golf
somewhere. Yeah, he's playing golf.
But the guy always like he's ashamed of his legs or

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something. I don't know.
He's always wearing pants. I'm like, well, what is it?
Looks like it's warm. Like what are you doing?
I mean God. I don't like to play golfing
shorts. I don't, I don't, I don't know
why my he's. Like the PGA you don't get.
That's what I that's what I was asked.
That's what I asked one time. I go, are you in the PGA Tour?

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I mean it looks like it's 80° out and sunny.
I've evolved. You haven't evolved.
I've evolved. I'm not that that killer.
OK, so grow up, will you please?So what?
What's? What's amazing to me is you guys
were best friends and both of you have really gone on to

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successful careers after UConn and back then.
I mean, nobody really helped you.
It's not like today where they have alumni associations and
different clubs that try to pairyou and help you along the way
with jobs. You guys made it on your own and
'cause obviously played in the NFL and after that parlayed it

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into success. Mr. Belcour did it right.
I mean, right out of the gate. It's amazing how it happened.
And that's what I find so fascinating is you guys were, I
mean, self starters. You did it on your own.
Nobody did it for you. And I just find that so

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admirable being able to to builda career like both of you have
without any help. I mean, we didn't have any help
from UConn. I think I think Bobby's the best
story ever, though. I mean, there's no, I mean, he
is relentless. I don't think there's something
he's never done yet. I mean, he was a landscaper.

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He he taught, he actually taughtkids I think in school they let
him do that, which is insane. And then?
I don't then he coach football. I mean, you're talking about a
guy that's gone through the gamut of a lot like going
through jobs and life and just stuck with it.
And I mean, like I said, now he's your new sponsors, so

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you're all set. And it's like, there we go.
The guy's unbelievable. He is.
He is, he is. You know, coming from you that
love that word relentless, you know I appreciate that bro I do.
You are you. I mean, the stuff you've done,
it's, it's it's awesome, you know, I mean, it's, it's crazy.
I'm ready. Yeah.
And then there's guys, then we then we got guys like Facto that

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are lighting the world. No facto facto lit it up.
That's probably the biggest alumni.
He's he, he, he crushed it. He, he was the character.
We had some characters as as every class.
You know, Steve, you said something really, really unique.
You said I don't think we're as talented, but toughness that you

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guys were, it was a tough time to play.
Yeah, it was a tough time. You guys were that group.
I, I mean, I heard stories aboutand it was all toughness, badass
grit, and nobody was tougher than your group.
I mean, I from everything I've heard, and that's unique because

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it's not like that today. It's not like that today.
People don't have that toughnessand people don't have that
passion, that loyalty because of, you know, the transfer
portal, the money, they're they're not in it for the pride
of the university like you guys were.
Listen, I get, I'll tell you this, that that portal I can't
even fathom. Like Cos could probably remember

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this. My my junior year, I was elected
as a captain as a junior and there was some quality people
and I didn't have a great junioryear.
And then they elected Chapman asa captain.
Remember this cousin? So Chapman's the captain and
Kosh probably should have been acaptain too.
So he probably has his point of view, but the point being made

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is that I could I most people atthat point, if, if you were a
captain as a junior and not as asenior, would have hit the
transfer portal and be like, I'mout of here.
You're right. See, true.
Well, you know, and, and 'cause I love that word relentless
because I remember it's clear asday when they made the

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announcement at the banquet thatChapman was captain and I
wasn't. I took a walk to Horse Barn
Hill. I was never so embarrassed.
And I was like, you know what this is?
This is not going to happen again.
And if, if you call, 'cause I went back and lived with Eddie
Nook, I got out of carriage. I remember you went into a

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little caveman hole hole and after it you came back in
unbelievable shape for after thesummers and it was pretty crazy.
I dropped weight. I said forget about trying to be
bulky. I said I'm just going to be, you
know, I remember Martin, we did that.
What was that Gasser test? And I was going to get?

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I mean, I wasn't even breathing heavy past it wasn't even
breathing heavy. Oh.
My God, that was. Miserable I'm not doing this to
say about me it's nothing new tome it's saying about what we're
doing as a culture Steve that diminishes to say you know you
don't like it here you don't like it here Buttercop go some
you know just transfer out just.Transfer out a little too tough

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here like. One guy still to my daughters.
Me and Cos have daughters, right?
We have five daughters apiece. He's got two, I got 3.
My daughters are gritty. They're cough.
We, we don't. You don't lay down.
Absolutely, absolutely. You, you rise up.
What the heck are we doing here in a society?
Absolutely. Serious Rob going.

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No, I agree. I agree wholeheartedly with you
because you know, I was in a similar situation after my
junior year. I was going to be benched or on
the on the scout team and you know, I could have left and I
did the same thing. I took it as a challenge.
I'm not going to let this happenagain.
And after spring practice, I gotmy starting job back.

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But that's where I think is loston today, where if a kid doesn't
like their playing time, if a kid doesn't want to wait their
turn to play. Ridiculous.
They just, they just leave. They're gone.
They're gone. You get to do it every time in
life. Every time something tough
happens in life, exactly you're going to fold.
Exactly how do you learn? Thank God my dad stealed me

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right. To tell you a one last story.
I remember being in the Cos remember our freshman?
No, you weren't there My true freshman year were in cab right?
Anybody that played college football goes through the same
experience. It's hot.
I don't know if they have air condition now or you call, but
they had no air conditioning. The food wasn't that good.
It was 3 days. There was no Sunday off.

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These guys tried to kill us. Spagnola and they're just
maniacs. Collis These guys were
absolutely stone cold, crazy, crazy coaches that had didn't
really care about what the NCAA had to say.
Well, I remember getting in the phone booth and calling my dad
and saying dad, I don't know if this is what I really.

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Want Oh my? God, I don't.
Think the same thing I did. And my dad was like, son, I
don't care if you never play it down, you're not coming home.
And he hangs up the phone and I remember holding the receiver
going. But you know what?
He did that at that point he instilled.
And this is what Kyle's saying is I don't quit.

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It's not an option. You don't never an option.
It's just not an option. You don't.
You don't. You don't.
Shit kicked out of me in the games.
In life, you got to keep coming back relentless.
That's that's, that's the mantra, right?
And we got away from that as a society. 100 percent, 100%.
And that's what's this. I watch college football, I

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don't I don't enjoy it the same because I don't think the
players play for the same loyalty to the school, loyalty
to the program. They're playing for themselves,
they're playing for the money, they're playing for a bigger
check somewhere else to transfer.
You know, they're always lookingfor something bigger and the

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grass isn't always greener. And you don't learn those life
lessons. And I talked to several people,
mental health people who believein the next 5 to 10 years,
there's going to be a crisis with athletes because they have
moved on. They haven't faced those

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adversities like 'cause playing a game after his father died,
not even thinking about it because he knew that's what his
old man would have wanted him todo.
And these kids, they don't do that.
If any anything is hard, anything they don't like, they
just leave. They don't work hard to try to
develop, to try to get better, to try to get on the field.

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And that's what I find so disappointing.
And I think the higher ups of college sports aren't taking
that into account. You know, maybe you could
transfer once, but I mean, even on our roster, we have three
time transfers. And that that blows my mind that
that you would do that. Crazy.

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It's it shows such a lack of loyalty and it's just confusing.
You follow. It is.
It is. And and I get the one time maybe
you made the wrong choice or coach left, you know, fine, you
know, not the end of the world. I don't know.
But here's what I'll say is I don't want to generalize.
So anybody that's playing college football, you're

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currently playing at the University of Connecticut.
I I don't think it's it's that this is for that's these
statements are blanket. Oh, no, no, no.
It's out there. You follow what I'm saying, but
I would say as a whole in society, right, Not just the
football players, right? Because because I think
sometimes, you know, I don't know, maybe we think we were
better than we really were, but in general, society has

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weakened. Let me just say this this, the
average age of the Vietnam soldier was 19 years old.
Because you guys understand that19 years old.
Good luck sending 19 year olds to fight in Vietnam today.
We get slaughtered. No, absolutely, absolutely.
There's such a sense of entitlement for everyone who
comes out. Everyone comes out, you know,

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they, they want the $100,000 job, they want the four week
vacation, they want their pension, they want this, they
want that. And that's not a reality.
Those are all things you have towork for.
Those are all things you have toprove that.
You're you'll love this. One of the questions I asked
when I hired people is do you ever get punched in the face?

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That's that's the best question to ask.
The best question. You know how many nose I got
from 30 year olds? No, I never got punched in the
face. Let me ask you a question.
Did you ever punch anybody of this?
No, I want to do that. No.
Why not do? That.
Yeah, you're right. Next.
Oh, yeah. I got to punch the face.
OK, come on. You got it.
Because I'm looking for somebodywith a little grit.
You follow. John, that would be a great

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question. That would be a great question
for Chapman. Did you did you start Bunker
Hill fight outside the Huskies after the Rhode Island game?
Oh, of course not. It was somebody.
Else I I. I did want to ask because it's

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crazy. The coaching staff that you had
overall is really ended up beinga legendary coaching staff.
Your assistants, many of them are still coaching, have gone on
to bigger jobs and have had success.
Did you know that at UConn that you were playing for some of the
best coaches around? I think I'll talk to you about

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Spags and then you could go. So pay for Spags.
He was such a student of the game.
They were like, yeah, so, but they were so young and so hyper.
Like they were like, yes, it waslike they were chewing
electricity. It was like because they wanted
to be so great, right? So I think it was, you could see

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they were going to be great, butthey needed to kind of be molded
a little bit. But that's my impression of
Spags as 56 years old looking back.
I mean, he was only 27 years old.
I mean, it's hard for me to process that.
He was 2727, his first 2728 SO. Was he the coordinator at the
time? His first coordinated position

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was at UConn at 2728 years old. So he was like electrocuted,
right? I tell you, another one was
crazy. Frank Leonard.
Frank Leonard's still coaching. I think he's at BC BC they.
He was one of my favorites. Oh.
Coach, you're watching this. Bonkers.
But I love them. Oh my God, but I love them.

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God, I used to, you know, because he coached the outside
linebackers. So that's all I did was go
against his guy, be like, all right, guys, take it easy on my
guys today. And I'd be like, you know, his
biggest thing were thumbs in, you win.
Yeah, that's right. That.
And that's true. I get it out to to Rusty Dunn.
Coach Dunn, for those that played for him, I got to pay him

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homage. Honestly speaking, he's the one.
Him and Rebish taught me how to be a technician.
Now. Donnie ended up going back and
coaching in high school. Great man.
His son, his son, his son used to come to my locker and he

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would always give me. I used to need tape, a lot of
tape. I taped up everything and he
died. He died in, he served in
Afghanistan and he got. Oh my God, God.
I can't some kind of cancer. The reason why I'm getting

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emotional is because I didn't see him since he was seven years
old. So I've still envisioned A7 year
old kid bringing me the tape that I needed.
He would steal the tape for me because Bob Howard, back then we
didn't have endless teeth. No, I would go through at least
2-3 rolls of teeth, rolls, handsand everything.

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And so when he told me that I was like, wow.
So Coach Don, he really taught me how to be a technician.
Him and Rembush, I came in and Iknew nothing how to play
football. My only move was fight punch.
And they you know, you know how I always get you and I always
tell you I go long arm short on you.
You know, I'm always playing with you.

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I got that off from from Donnie and Rembush.
So even though he didn't advance, he was some some
position coach so. Yeah, that's amazing to hear.
And 'cause I mean, I still have the cut out.
You know, I was, I was a crazy Giants fan and I have the cut

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out when you caught the touchdown pass against Dallas.
Yeah, that's a funny story. So we go.
It's hilarious. So my good buddy from high
school is in town. He came down to that game.
And so we go, you know, we go tothe game, they play game, boom,

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boom, you know, and then wake upin the morning and we're in the,
we're in, I think we go to 711, grab a coffee and save or
whatever. And there's that picture.
I'm like, you know, and there's the cashier guy and my buddy's
like, look at this Jackass on the backside of the newspaper,
you know, and I'm staying right there.

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The guy's just like, Oh yeah, somebody's just like, wonder who
that is? That was pretty fun.
But yeah, that was that was a good.
That was a great time. And that was actually Deon
Sanders was right back there andthey got moved by the little
play fake and. Nobody thought you were going to
get the ball. No shit, no and no.

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They're like this kid came out of UConn.
No way. So.
And they still, they still have the award for you.
They still have the award. Yeah, it'd be nice if they ever
invite me back for doing that once in a while, but they don't.
They're waiting for you to donate some money 'cause you
haven't donated money in 25 years.
Solely if you can't talk to somebody at the university.

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He's willing to give 10 grand a year for his award.
I love when Ellen was like, 'cause Ellen, his wife calls
him, 'cause they met in college.She's a sweetheart, by the way.
She's it's unbelievable. So she's like, yeah, 'cause
they're waiting for you to donate, 'cause like, no, they're
not. They just want to honor me.
I love that. That's like Bob's dad, like we

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went out to dinner, we had a free coupon for dinner or
whatever for all this lobster and he's like, what's the tip on
00 payment? That's $0.00.
Load it with ice. Load it up with ice.
Yeah, we had. We had.
We had a good run, we really did'cause I really enjoyed being

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your teammate, I really did. And your friend.
No. How often do you guys get to see
each other now? Usually.
I haven't seen when's the last time I saw you, Bobby?
I see you on video when we did my life injure, but I saw you
shoot. Where did I see you last?
Oh, you were on Kinetic. You came out to California with
Faye. Yeah, me, Sean Faye.

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That's that's another guy. Let's pay some obvious.
He was our kicker. I had a ruin with the kick.
The punter, the punter. Let me not disrespect him.
Sean Faye. He's a great, great guy.
He was he's the Don WAB of stores Connecticut.
Sean Faye. So so I got I think we we meet
you and Faye. We went out to where you live

(56:31):
out in the Huntington Beach, Butnow the good thing is he's
moving to Florida. I think he's there now, so I'm
going to see him much more and I'm really excited because I
love Ellen too. His his wife is something
special. She they they were dating for a
while on campus on you guys date.
We used to go to church and Cosby Ellen would pull Cos to
church and I mean, you guys dating and she's like, no, no,

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we're not dating. Right.
I don't know. She kept it secret for like the
longest time. And then they finally got they
finally got married. Good point.
I don't want to be. I don't want to be seen with
this guy. Especially when you're aware
that the Grays with No Wonder onit, it's a real good look.

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So I'm going to be able to see him more and I'm super excited
about that. Yeah, this is a great show,
Coley. We can do this all day.
I'm not even working. It's just like, great.
Well, it's, it's incredible. You're getting paid to do this.
This is great. It's fantastic.
Well, it's incredible the relationship that you guys have.
Is there a little Is there a bell we could ring for a snack

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and. The the Did you hear what he
said? Yeah.
We'll bring a bell. We'll.
Bring you a We'll bring you a cheeseburger.
It's good. I think we'll bring you a
cheese. I'm a little I'm famished right
now. I haven't eaten anything yet.
Well, I really hope that you do make it out for the November 1st

(57:57):
game because I'm going to come out for that as well.
Are you coming? Are you going, Bobby?
OK, I'm making my I'm going in to make my plane ticket right
now. Steve, You're going to be there,
Steve. Oh, perfect.
Yes, Sir. A. 100%, I'm going to be there.
We're going to, we're going to catch up.
We got a lot to talk about. Yeah.
And. Like the I happened to meet

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Robert by accident at right before the Fenway Bowl.
I put on a little party for for the guys.
I had no idea Mark Demilio and Rob Belkor are going to show up.
They walk in. I'm like, what the hell?
I'm like how did this? Happen.
I'm like, I got the two. I got the two biggest guys at my

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party. I felt like a king, that.
Was great. That was great.
It really was great. That was that was a special it
was a special time, yeah. And now I think Baylocks one's
going to be great because. I just oh, Baylocks is going to
be. Great loves cars too.
He loves cars, loves them. Oh believe me, he told me so
many stories when I was up thereover the summer and they got

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over 400 guys that are signed upto go for his tailgate.
So let's do it. I can't wait.
I think peak gas is going up too.
I did, but we screwed up the audio and I, I had to reschedule
him. But yeah, he.
He ended up being a pro wrestler.

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You will, because I know you're like football.
I know he he actually wrestled The Rock.
Which is? I know he did.
I know I asked him all about it.I.
I what? Would he like the mean street
boys of Mean St. Posse yeah, the.
Mean St. posse. He was with Shane McMahon, I
remember. Everything he did, and I asked
the more wrestling questions than I did football.

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But that is just great to hear that you guys will both be there
and I'll get to see you. But I mean, Miss Robert was so
awesome with me for the first time.
He didn't know me or anything. First time meeting me out at
that party, he talked with me for at least an hour.
He was so cool with me. And then I realized like, wow,

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he's big time. I'm like, it's amazing.
I know about that. I Steve, I genuinely love you.
I really do. No, you are.
When I saw you and Emilio walk in and and I was like, Oh my
God, I got the two biggest guys here.
I. Felt like.
Steve, keep Steve, keep buttering them up.
We're going to get some sponsorship out of them here.

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Well it's funny because I got 2 life insurance guys now, so
that's what I don't do. I got good ones for him, but I
got to thank you guys for givingme your time, Hilarious stories,
great stories, great memories toshare and I definitely want to

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do this again with, you know, teammates.
I think that's that's a good wayto go because the connection
that you guys have, the stories that you guys have, that's
something that can't be replaced.
That was so awesome. Yeah.
Thank you, thank you. You should set up outside the
stadium and everyone that's there for Baylock Field could

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come. Back they they, they asked me to
do that. Freeman wanted me to do that.
We got to get, we got to get de Janeiro on I.
I want Matt to come on. I do want.
You know, I, I've been, I've been really saying Matt, come
on, get, get, get, tell yourself.
He's like, nobody wants to hear about my football.
I said, you're not going to don't talk about football.
Talk about, talk about the journey.
It is. I, I remember when I first got

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on the podcast cause Sully's like, So what you guys wrong
though? 4/3 and I'm like, Sully, are you
kidding me? I don't you think I know what
defense we ran? I have no idea.
He just tell me a gap, B gap. I know what I got to do.
I got to tackle and I got to getto the quarterback.
He's throwing the record book. He's throwing the record book

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for He's got the most tackles for AD lineman in the history of
Yukon and he's got the most TFLSfor AD lineman in UConn so.
Most encroachments too. Most personal fouls in my junior
year too. I think I had 15.
But that's just saying. Just saying.
When I was in the, the the Burton complex, they had your

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your image up in the D line meeting room.
They got yeah, they got your picture up.
Yeah, they got. Swear to God.
So, so tell the tell the truth. Are you serious?
Yeah, they they put on her in all the positional rooms.
They put like the top players up.
Oh wow. Up in the tight end meeting

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room. Yeah, we knew Cos was there.
He's a superstar. I'm just a little man.
No, I mean you got, you got the records, I mean.
Maybe a little man that I'm onlya little, only average.
You're going to have to take a picture of that and send it to
him. So he put a little tear in his
eyes. When I when I go there, I will.
I will. That would be that would be
really nice. I'm just a little man 'cause
that averaged 8 tackles a game in a sack of game throughout my

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career. Just small stuff, not big like
you big NFL star that you are. Yeah, he's got an ego too.
He really acts like it. He acts like.
It he's he's the best. I I really appreciate you guys
giving me your time. This was, this was worth the
wait. A phenomenal show.

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It's going to do excellent. I'll send it to both of you.
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Tells you the truth. He's out of Chicago, IL and he
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That was good. Well, I've learned, I've
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So saving them money tax free and and retirement.
Rob Hill, his thing is retirement is not about an age,
it's about the money you have. So he made me understand.
But thanks. Thank you both.
Thank. You for having me, Steve.
The best podcast host of the universe.
Remember when life gives you lemons, Don't make lemonade.

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Take two oranges. Throw them right back at life.